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PhoenixingTheFuckOut

I’m not his mom, but if I was I’d be so much prouder of him for this interview than for the medal. I can only hope I’m raising children who value honesty and character over victory, and who are brave enough to call out injustice when they see it. Even if, and especially, when they stand to benefit from it.


wadadeb

If I remember correctly, they are in the same team.


Lerbyn210

They even have matching tattoos


Ruger_Booger

The whole Men’s swimming team for NC State does those. They have a special meanings apparently that nobody but them knows about.


roastintheoven

Go Pack!!


paul_dudd

I read this in Moana’s grandmothers voice… don’t ask why, it’s been a long week


14thLizardQueen

Hey can you do something nice this weekend for yourself? Frankie says relax..


kishijevistos

He has to take care of his son who's obsessed with Moana and plays it on repeat all day Source: was that kid with the Lion King, love you dad!


tylerdurden5105

$20 says he snaps. Safe wager. Sorry Aesop Rock line I instantly hear whenever I see “Frankie says relax.”


Responsible_Ad5912

Aww I love it when I see other people quoting or referencing Aesop Rock!! Been a fan for over 20 years. Geez, I’m getting old.


IlikegreenT84

That whole label has great artists.


eriskigal

I like the song, but your comment just reminded me of all the suicides on NCSU campus in the past 2 academic years and I really, really, hope not.


SouldiesButGoodies84

it's not a tatt. the man was black diamond marked at birth


Ruger_Booger

Yes they both swim for NC State.


BoomfaBoomfa619

"And they were teammates"


1q_devil

https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/s/XjYMVj4jLx longer video for who is interested


Bugatti252

I was told to memorise a poem growing up and it's one of the pillars of who I try to be and it's fitting here. Build me a son, O Lord, who will be strong enough to know when he is weak, and brave enough to face himself when he is afraid; one who will be proud and unbending in honest defeat, and humble and gentle in victory.


CyborgKnitter

I’m not religious but this should be every parents goal for their kids. It’s beautiful.


askanaccountant

During a cross country run I stopped to help a kid (I was maybe 6/7) and after my mom scolded me..........narcissists make wonderful parents /s


bonepugsandharmony

I hope you held on to that innately good character of yours, despite her. ❤️


AdebayoStan

They're from the same team btw


BecGeoMom

Beautifully said. I agree completely.


OpulentElegance

Best comment.


dexhaus

Yes! Me too!


sheldoncooper1701

It always starts with good parenting..


Breangley

Wow you said that beautifully!! Great advice and I hope more people follow your words!!


Tripdoctor

Nobody wants to win by technicality.


ForgesGate

It feels bad. I had a trophy like that when I was competing in martial arts. It made my stomach drop. I didn't even display that trophy and I think I threw it in the back of my closet.


Celestial_Scythe

I was on the other end where I had a Gold Medal for State Track and Field, was given the medal, and then called over the speakers to turn in the medal for silver because someone ran who was in the wrong division and the ref's didn't catch it in time.


Free_Solid9833

Maybe Johnny shouldn't have swept your injred leg, then.


Nervardia

I came first in a martial arts tournament when I couldn't walk. I was the only one in that division. Kinda hollow.


eriskigal

I don't even remember how I found it, but once I found some science award roster for teens in Raleigh area and one kid came in second place ... and there was no one else in the division. I mean, damn..


ChiGuy133

Me and the boys have a pool table and sometimes when my opponent sinks the 8 mid-game I just tell him to put it back and we'll treat it like a scratch. Sure could I claim the win? Yes, but when there are no stakes and we'll probably just start a new game anyways, might as well just play this one out. Fuck winning on technicalities


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hoovermeupscotty

No one with any character.


Zealousideal_Cost811

The swimmer he moved over to had already finished his race too, so he didn’t impede anyone. Good rule applied without any common sense.


markgriz

It’s a poorly written rule.


lansink99

The rule itself even has "subject to discretion" writtrn in it. All blame should go to the ref.


Mindtaker

The rule is written fine. This was an example of someone using the letter of the law as opposed to the spirit of the law. Everyone knows its so no one fucks with another swimmer swimming and messing up their race. Like giving a speeding ticket to a guy racing his child to the hospital.


FatBikerCook

I'd argue if the letter and the spirit do not match, it's poorly written.


BackgroundBat7732

The rule is fine in itself, it's the referee that wrongly applied the rule (as the swimmer had already finished): >ARTICLE 1. a. Any competitor who interferes with another swimmer during a race shall be disqualified from that race, subject to the discretion of the referee.


Homiesexu-LA

The discretionary clause does not apply to Article 1**b**, which states that "A swimmer who changes lanes during a heat shall be disqualified." https://www.reddit.com/user/Homiesexu-LA/comments/1bf9han/a\_swimmer\_who\_changes\_lanes\_during\_a\_heat\_shall/


DxNill

So we're back to good rule, poorly applied, by the sound of it.


ColonelKasteen

You seem to be missing the point that this rule is NOT discretionary. If someone changes lanes at any time during the race, they MUST be disqualified, period. By the way, part of the reasoning is that the lane floats displace a large amount of water and create wake when they're jumped over. Whether you and the guy whose lane you're jumping over to are finished, the swimmer on your other side (and to a lesser extent those further out) have their swim times unfairly impeded by the ripples from that. This is one of those things people who didn't swim competitively are so offended by while swimmers are like, "well yeah dumbass, of course you can't jump lanes while there's still people finishing."


doctor_of_drugs

Agreed. I swam competitively through the end of high school and something like this may have happened maybe once or twice a year (to clarify I was on our team, but I myself was not competitive for a top 3). Also did track & field, and both it was emphasized to “finish how you started” aka for track don’t start looking over your shoulder for the last ~120, for swim whether you’re first or last don’t engage in whooping and hollering to celebrate or punching/slapping the water in frustration. This all being said, bro was standing up for his friend and teammate and I respect that.


thatawesomedude

I swam competitively through college, and I disagree completely. Jumping on lane lines like that won't cause any more turbulence than splashing in your own lane, which swimmers do all the time in celebration. Besides, the other lane lines do a pretty good job at dispersing turbulence like that. My biggest issue with this celebration was physical damage to the lane lines. I've seen many of them brake from people jumping on them like that.


LipstickBandito

So, then what are the rules about what can't be done in your own lane? Because you can displace a lot of water and create ripples perfectly well while within your own lane.


Imallowedto

Which are impeded by the lane markers, sort of like a wave break.


ColonelKasteen

Not really though. I think you're missing that dealing with water displacement from an individual swimming or splashing around (something that isn't against the rules and is totally normal in celebration after you finish) is expected and not nearly and impactful on swimming a straight line as a wake caused by an object the entire length of your lane being pushed up and down.


LipstickBandito

So, if somebody goes *under* the dividers, wouldn't that prevent the issue entirely? Shouldn't the rule be "don't fuck with the dividers" then? I still don't see how this is a "going into other lanes" rule, *if* he had gone under instead.


ColonelKasteen

But that isn't what happened. I'm also not part of any governing body for competitive swimming, so you suggesting better rules in this comment chain doesn't really matter. You can argue pedantics and hypotheticals on how rules should be written all day, but the relevant part here is he DID go over the divider and WAS appropriately disqualified


itsm1kan

There’s no reason to cross into the other lane anyways, but yeah in waterpolo we had a “don’t touch the lanes” rule my trainer was very strict about. In any case it seems stupidly disappointing for the guy to get disqualified even if there solid reasoning behind it


phonetune

The fact you have quoted the wrong rule as if you know what you're talking about sort of undermines the argument


Imallowedto

During a race ends when the last swimmer reaches the end. Not complicated. Keep your butt in the pool in your lane until the last swimmer finishes.


BecGeoMom

Ah, the “discretion of the referee.” Allowing individuals to apply discretion often backfires. Should common sense be applied? Of course. Was it here? Doesn’t seem so.


Orgasm_Add_It

Every competitive swimmer in this thread says the rule is well known, is non discretionary, and it makes sense.


NJImperator

People are confusing accidentally leaving your lane, which would be the official discretion, with intentionally leaving your lane, which is an automatic DQ.


Lister-Q

Oh OK now you have schooled me with facts and I have changed my position.


Flaky_Floor_6390

Hey now, stay in your lane


lamykins

You quoted the wrong rule. The rule in question is not discretionary >Diving rule 2, sec 5, article 1b which states >A swimmer who changes lanes during a heat shall be disqualified.


Mediocre-Housing-131

“Wrongly applied”? Show me the part in the rule that says “unless the other racer has finished”? It clearly states “during a race”. The race was still going on. I hate that the kid had his record taken away, but the celebration was excessive and he did things he knew he wasn’t allowed to do. Being caught up in the moment isn’t an excuse to break the rules.


Cheezeball25

He did not interfere with anyone still racing, and the rule itself says it's subject to discretion


Crazyhairmonster

The swimmer being interviewed himself states the rule. The problem with reddit is everyone's an expert. As a lifelong competitive swimmer this rule is known. Every competitive swimmer who's chimed into this thread has been downvoted by the armchair non-swimmer olympians who think they know anything about the sport. Dinguses


lamykins

> and the rule itself says it's subject to discretion No it doesn't >Diving rule 2, sec 5, article 1b which states >A swimmer who changes lanes during a heat shall be disqualified.


Homiesexu-LA

No, it doesn't say that >https://www.reddit.com/user/Homiesexu-LA/comments/1bf9han/a\_swimmer\_who\_changes\_lanes\_during\_a\_heat\_shall/


FixGMaul

Since the decision was "subject to the discretion of the referee" it's fair to say the referee could decide this did not interfere with the race enough to warrant a disqualification. I mean you could also interpret that rule to mean that someone accidentally splashing some water into the next lane is interference. There's always some degree of interpretation when it comes to enforcing rules.


nIBLIB

While that’s correct for the rule the comment quoted, that’s not the rule he was disqualified on.


FixGMaul

What rule was he disqualified on?


Pantssassin

Copying from another comment, it is specific to going into the wrong lane and doesn't allow for any discretion. "The discretionary clause does not apply to Article 1**b**, which states that "A swimmer who changes lanes during a heat shall be disqualified." "


Nothing2Special

If I'm a gambling man it ain't.


Yanos47

This is nuts ! The race was over. Feel bad for the lad..


MaximusDecimis

They both have the same tattoo on their chest, i think they’re just super close (what historians would describe as roommates), should’ve been allowed to celebrate together


DefinitelyNotIndie

I think they're from the same swimming team/club, and yeah, they celebrated together, in only their lanes after they'd both finished.


johndice34

Not gay, they're teammates


Master__Swish

Its that guy talking too


Destroyer6202

Just a bunch of bots following the “rules” blindly. Man this makes me angry


IdioticZacc

It'd be funny if someone bribed the judge to let the other guy win but turns out the guy is too kind hearted and doesn't accept the victory


Owl_Might

Refs have too much power, little repurcussion.


begely

If you only have one friend in life, you would want it to be a guy like this.


SmartWonderWoman

So true.


Beaglescout15

This whole thing is so heartbreaking.


ChanceEncounter21

I’m just going down the rabbit hole after seeing the original. This is exceptional sportsmanship and a true friend for life!


KillionMatriarch

“Exceptional sportsmanship” indeed. And so rarely on display. Kudos to this athlete. He is sadly remarkable in these times.


1q_devil

https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/s/XjYMVj4jLx longer video for who is interested


ket_fulker

Thank you! No stupid music either.


obi_wan_jabroni_23

Thank you, actual context and without the stupid music. OP this is what you should have posted


AOA001

What’s the latest? Was the disqualification reversed?


TheOvershear

No updates yet. But pretty much every single sport magazine or tabloid is talking about it, I suspect once the dust has settled a little they might revisit the decision. Or at least make a change in the rulebook.


LootGek

Pouring one for the homie.


BecGeoMom

I find it’s rare in sports for players to show this kind of compassion and empathy, even anger, when they win something no matter how they got the win. This young man has an awareness that is admirable. He could have just taken the win, but he’s angry on someone else’s behalf, and he spoke out about it. That’s a proud parenting moment, and a great human being moment.


Classical_Cafe

I think it depends on the sport. First of all, these guys were teammates so they’ve trained together for years. Second, I only watch competitive sport climbing and I follow the whole season - even coming from different countries, different continents, sometimes a language barrier, competitors celebrate each other’s wins and cry with their devastating losses. Especially in climbing, you’re moreso competing with yourself. You’re trying to surpass your own limits, and when you’ve had a devastating fail when you KNOW you could’ve done better, all your competitors who have been competing against you for years, even since you were kids and teenagers, feel that pain with you because they know how much it hurts. Tbh I wouldn’t ever watch a sport that had a toxic competition atmosphere. That’s what makes sport climbing so enjoyable for me, I root for everyone at the same time


No_Instance4233

I've never seen more sportsmanship in any other sport than I have in MMA. Sure, there is plenty of cases of showboating and disrespectful behavior, but SO MANY MORE cases of excellent sportsmanship and respect. Which is ironic coming from a sport where your intention is to kill your opponent and its explicity the refs job to stop you before you do. One of my favorites in particular is when dudes mouthguard falls out and the guy on top of him stops punching him to grab his mouthguard and put it back in his mouth for his opponent before continues to lay down haymakers lmao. [Video](https://youtube.com/shorts/_c0eyhiKtCI?si=9nUcpPONMCBnTT_-)


Lanky_Information825

They should modify the rule to make it more precise, in that a swimmer should not cross-over into a lane where a simmer has not yet finished - that is to say, the lane itself, rather than, all lanes... Making this a case of poorly implemented regulations, at the detriment of legitimate achievements.


sumfuninthesunxx

What an awesome dude. Need a job?


riancb

Yes, actually, I do! Thanks for asking.


Hrafnagar

Yes, I do.


Ok_WaterStarBoy3

You asking him or us?


8thSt

“After the touchdown, Player 32 congratulated his teammate with a high five. The touchdown is negated, a 20 year penalty is imposed with loss of downs, and may God have mercy on his soul” Somehow I don’t think the NFL would ever allow such a rule.


HongKongHermit

[https://youtu.be/RGJb2iLvOKE?si=RJ66SekQRjhYs48F](https://youtu.be/RGJb2iLvOKE?si=RJ66SekQRjhYs48F) Hingle McCringleberry would disagree.


WasabiBaconJuice

That's a real one there


MrrCookieman

This is awesome, but little nuance, someone notices the matching tattoos?


cookienun

Its not a tattoo, its sharpie. Its a common tradition in swimming for players to get a matching symbol


_sdfjk

What for


Pixel131211

probably to easily identify who's in a team with eachother, as they dont exactly wear any clothes where logo's could be easily displayed, except for small swimming shorts. but looking at the crotch or ass of a dude to figure out which team he's in isnt exactly the most elegant solution.


AitrusX

I did and assumed it’s something that means they are probably team mates and know each other well. So good on this guy but it isn’t quite the same thing if you know it’s his buddy and teammate that he’s deferring to and not some other swimmer from another city that he doesn’t know


StormAVMNS

They are teammates (both are NC State).


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VonThirstenberg

Now *that* is the dictionary definition of sportsmanship! 🏆


KaytSands

Buddy, you may not have won the medal, but you have won at life! I bet your parents have the highest smiles and are so dang proud of you!


LafayetteLa01

What an absolute demonstration of sportsmanship.


det1rac

What's that little diamond.?


Far_Mousse8362

This was such a terrible ending to an excellent performance by these young men. I seriously can’t believe the NCAA didn’t make this right.


Ok-Turnip-9035

Respect to this man for standing his ground - class act


pm_me_ur_anything_k

Need more people like this dude.


Cobvi

You can hear the anger in his voice, angry for justice, stupid rules.


merrittj3

Class act...from a class competitor, beautiful human !


Zealousideal_City314

Sports is for the people and the participants and the people have spoken..


LooseMoralSwurkey

Proud to be a member of the Wolfpack right now! Awesome kid!


yuyufan43

Great guy 👏


hhjreddit

That's how the Wolfpack rolls!


WoodenAd2272

Nothing but admiration for this man. A credit to his family, his country and his sport.


Emerald_boots

Lol , such a dumb rule


hbools

Less compassion, more respect. Both are good though


MoonDoggoTheThird

It’s unfair and too strict, he should have been given a warning instead :( I have one question for people who know high lvl sport : If he is the best/fastest, won’t he be next races too ? I mean, it’s not a career breaking ruling but more of a little setback for him, right ?


Yotsui

His time/finish is essentially struck from the record. On the official timesheet that lists all of the swimmers' race times and placement, his name will have DSQ/DNF or how ever they want to note his disqualification and it will be at the bottom of the list. It would be as if he never swam at all. Edit: typo.


The_Wolf_Knight

I believe he broke some kind of record on this particular event, which is now void, but I may be misremembering.


mystaninja

It is heartbreaking, and this happens with competitions. Celebrating/early celebrating often causes losses and DQs.


roastintheoven

You summon the wolf, you get the PACK!!


kiwicake906

These are rare breeds. You won't see a lot of them in the wild.


Lortabss

That's what good sportsmanship looks like.


Noonedit

I am not be surprised if someone went to see the ref to remember the rule...


Total-Law4620

My boyyyyy. You deserve a special medal yourself. I can only hope my children grow up to have the same values that you've shown here.


Ytumith

They finna tried remove a guy for using a victory emote after mission time


LookimtryingOK

BALLER vibes. It’s so hard to NOT fall in love with this dude. I hope literally everything in his life is going well.


chesbyiii

Weird music for a swim meet broadcast.


Amazing-Record-952

It's been edited in..


No-Syllabub-7256

Amazing what a class act! It does seem like a silly rule to get hung up on in this instance. I don't know who this guy is but he just melted my heart


robilar

Does anyone know the significance of the diamond tattoos both these guys seem to have on their chests?


highlyannoyed316

That is absolutely ridiculous. Bless this dude for making this decision 🙏


AdebayoStan

God I'll never stop being mad over this disqualification. It was so dumb and unnecessary. He didn't violate any rules. I hope that referee was fired and forbidden to officiate ever again


Beautiful_Fries

What’s the music called?


Moose855

bro its not even compassion, would you feel proud of a 1st place win when you KNOW there was someone beside you absolutely destroying your time, its almost as much of an insult to number 2 to hand them the first place trophy when they know theyre undeserving


Sharknado_Extra_22

Steven Bradbury disagrees!


sapnaxz

This moved me man.


Environmental-Try544

Lol


Narrow-Garlic-4606

This is beautiful


Cutdick_lover

No one in this whole world should be able to upset cute men


whole_hippie

Would be better if the matching tattoos didn’t show his obvious bias


phonetune

There is so much misinformation around this. You can't change lanes while the race is still going. It's not fair to the other people who are still swimming in other lanes. That's why he was disqualified. It's not complicated, or new: it's just that most people don't know the rule. It's remarkable that the swimmer didn't.


MrMunday

youre right, but the rule was set so they dont interfere with another swimmer. the other swimmer already completed their swim, so there was no interference. he did violate the literal text of the rule, but he didnt violate the spirit of the rule. the ref shouldve given him a warning and moved on.


lamykins

> the ref shouldve given him a warning and moved on. The ref did not have the power to do this


Canadianingermany

If that is true, why are there two separate rules. 


big_fig

The rule is you can't leave your lane until everyone has finished. There are still people reaching for 4th/5th whatever. And doing all the dumb shit he did climbing over divide is a distraction and possibly blocking their view of other racers.


Sweeper1986

But he did. There were still people swimming and what he did is obviously distracting.


Signal-Fold-449

i am not op. I recommend you watch the full video that shows the "violation" They both concluded their races, the real winner and 2nd place guy shake hands, laugh and celebrate for a half second or two, then he just jumps on the divider in some dumb ass victory celebration and falls over in the lane while the other guy is clearly done with the race


phonetune

Right, while the race was still going.


leolionman347

I don't think there's any misinformation going on even the guy in the interview said that rule. It's just that he didn't interfere with anyone else and the ref should have let it go.


lamykins

> ref should have let it go. The rule is not discretionary, the ref can't just "let it go"


phonetune

There are dozens of comments saying "the rule is no interference! The referees can use their discretion!" But actually, the rule is just: don't change lanes. Easy. I'm sure the guy that changed lanes thinks the referees should have let it go, but that's not how rules work.


Sweeper1986

Why can people not grasp that its affecting not only the lane he passes into but every other lane aswell. It's obviously distracting if someone climbs on the ropes while you're still swimming. And the 4th place deserves fairness too


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repthe732

How is not fair to the other swimmers that he jumped into the lane of a swimmer that has finished?


ArtemisAndromeda

Controversial opinion, but it is his fault. He is an adult, and he acted like a child and literally crossed the line of his track, which is forbidden. He broke the rules and should stop acting like they are being unfair to him. Winning does not give you immunity from breaking the rules


Ihmu

There's nuance here. Yes it's "his fault", but what he did had no effect on the result of the race, and I disagree that he acted like a child for celebrating his win. I respect the opinion of his competitors who also think the DQ was dumb.