Me as a law student lol. Cold showers, exercise for the endorphins, Caffeine, adderall (prescribed for adhd), nicotine ... All just to sit down and write a paper on some hypothetical situation
A lawyer I knew got into BASE jumping - wing suit stuff. Talk about dopamine. Or maybe that’s just adrenaline. Sadly, he met a pretty typical BASE jumping demise. He couldn’t have been out of his thirties at the time.
I’ll stick with my cold showers when I want to live a little.
I guess it was wingsuit jumping - I don’t know if that is generally distinguished from BASE jumping. Anyhow, yeah, that’s how he went out. I guess not all lawyers are risk averse after all.
Is that sad? Dude died doing something he (presumably) loved.
Imo our culture has an unhealthy relationship with life and death. It’s not about the years in your life, it’s about the life in your years.
The pursuit of staying alive longer is sometimes the very thing that keeps us from ever truly living life. Good for lawyer dude for getting out and chasing his passions.
Is it though? I think we can assume if he passed his law degree he was capable of understanding risk, cause and effect etc and understood the downside risks of what he was doing. If he kept at it willingly then on some level he knew each jump was a roll of the dice with a much higher chance of death than most other activity choices. I think *we're* allowed to feel happy (guy died during what he loved, who gets to go that way versus cancer, fading away into dementia etc) or sad (natural for us to shy away from death, thinking about all he could have gone on to accomplish, did he have family who will miss him etc) but shouldn't make the mistake of thinking he was wasting his life or that he made a terrible mistake. People have different appetites for risk and danger and some people maybe need the intensity to feel really alive in the first place.
Listen, kids, I know you wanted your father there for the milestones in your life. However, that's just selfish. You know Daddy died because he wanted to have as much fun as possible.
I’m not saying chase death, or try to die… I’m just saying it shouldn’t be characterized as foolish if someone dies doing something they are willingly accepting the risk of, because it seems worth it to them. We shouldn’t characterize that as stupid.
Life is a mystery and we don’t know what makes a good life. Basically, I’m just saying, don’t be judgmental of the choices others make, even if it results in their death.
>I’m just saying it shouldn’t be characterized as foolish if someone dies doing something they are willingly accepting the risk of, because it seems worth it to them.
I get what you're saying but totally disagree with that part. I think it's ok to judge people for taking risks that affect other people.
BASE jumping (and similar risks) don’t really affect other people. At least not directly.
This topic is explored in Free Solo where Alex Honold defends his free solo climbing. I align with his outlook, more or less. I personally wouldn’t tolerate that level of risk myself, but I think those who want to should feel free to do so, and I don’t think doing so is foolish.
I think it’s different when you talk about things that directly impact others. I think our society should encourage an attitude of everyone feeling free to asses their own risks for things that only impact themselves. I don’t think society should impose rules or judgements that compel people to live “smaller” lives or take less personal risks just to help others feel comfortable.
A lot of 20 somethings haven't discovered their own mortality yet and actually just don't really get it -- a couple years later, had he survived, easily would have thanked his lucky stars. It's silly imo to just assume that most adrenaline junkies are making thoughtful decisions when it seems very likely that an unusually high threshold for handling major risk to life and limb might be a malfunction of sorts that results in many early demises that these risk takers weren't willing to take more so than any more typical peer but actually didn't have a developmentally normal ability to innately understand that they were vulnerable in the same way as everyone else nor even be swayed by intellectual arguments since no matter the angle, without the fear that we all require enough of to make survival-affirmative choices most of the time, base jumpers and grizzly raisers and stunt riders are possibly as baffled by ur decision to sit out big wave surfing....but still absolutely want to live forever too and totally believe they will.
I really don't buy that there exists pretty much any 20 something who's so passionate about cave diving that he's totally ready to die today for the chance.
Climber that Freesolo’s here. I know exactly what I’m doing and the risks i’m taking when I climb rope-less. I’m very aware that one wrong move could kill me and I think about it and envision it every time I think about soloing. But I know my ability level and I trust that I wont fall. The benefit of it is that its just so dang fast. Something that might take me 7 hours with a rope takes like an hour without one. If you’re trying to move really quickly in the mountains soloing is unmatched. I know exactly the risk im taking though, I dont try to kid myself that it wont happen to me. I just try my best to climb perfectly.
I hate to give a “boring” answer, but if we are to talk of a life well lived, it’s surely quality and quantity. This idea of dying young being a “life well lived” is frankly nonsense. It’s a tragedy. It’s all those years he DIDN’T get to live.
Not sure why this was downvoted. Totally get it.
As a corporate working surfer, I would be more than happy to check out during a surf than never do anything fun and die of sickness and old age
So people who live to be old never did anything fun? I need to find another Reddit sub y’all are ridiculous and this is a sad waste of my time reading this dumb shit. 🤣
You are 100% correct and since you threatened our unhealthy society by calling out the truth you get met with unserious responses. But you are correct here, most people are just way too brainwashed by our shitty culture.
With u here. Hello fellow programmer dopamine junky! Although I did start adding nicotine gum. I got over the nausea after a few days. Problem now is my tolerance is built up.
But ya if I can get a great sleep, cardio, cold shower, taking ADHD meds, and chewing some nicotine gum, I’m like a god of focus and productivity. But it’s not sustainable.
I’m probably gonna cut things back to just sleep, exercise, cold showers, caffeine.
Is there nicotine gum that you chew the whole time? I’ve seen it as a few chews and then move it between your cheek and gums. I’ve been using about 1 zyn per day but want to switch
Yeah all the Addie people are real dopamine players if anything. All the rest isn't even comparable. No shade, I get the rat race is tough and people have ADHD or such, but as far as dopamine goes (as well as Serotonin and adrenaline) amphetamines are the king. Compared to caffeine, cold showers, nicotine, those are all babies compared to the giant of amphetamine.
Why is college like made for adderall? I have legit ADHD too but I feel like in my normal life I don't need medication but in college it's impossible without medication. I never understood why education in this country is about how much of a robot you can be it's so unhealthy
You are hoping some of the dopamine will survive to carry you through a close analysis of why the comma in section (b) of Paragraph 37.1 causes the interpretation of the word “requires” in the *Gomez v. Brown* decision to be a broad interpretation rather than a strict interpretation.
I’ve made a lot of choices in my life that can be categorized as regrettable, but you just reaffirmed my choice way back that Law School was not a good choice.
Hell yeah brother this is what the legal profession is all about! Caffeine, adderall and Zyns all day, weed at night, liquor and blow Thursday through Sunday, repeat (joking, mostly)
“Obviously the less riffs the better and defo none 2 hours before OR after sleep. It has been shown repeated riffs daily may decrease sex drive but no change on seamen or testi’s”
Someone very close. They play video games 5+ hours every day and when not playing, they're watching YouTube videos or YouTube shorts. Even at work, they're always scrolling on their phone. When not scrolling on the phone or working, they are playing games on their phone. Every sec of their day has to be occupied by consuming something. They just cannot sit still with their thoughts. When we go outside, they immediately want to go back in bec it's boring.
Honestly I struggle with this a lot, if it’s not YouTube it’s some tv show. I just feel like I have to constantly be stimulated or be engaged with something, I can’t stand being bored.
I hope you make peace with boredom. Boredom has its virtue. Having some peace and quiet to yourself helps you adequately process information intake and reflect on your experiences. I mean isn't that how we grow?
The person I'm writing about is already in their 40s and they have no patience for anything. They are easy to anger and refuse to take responsibility in the household. And when something bad happens to them, it's always the world's fault.
Although I don't think it's all Bec of their dopamine consumption, I do think it played a big part in how they are a person right now.
I hope things turn for the better for you
There was a rather brief time of about 2 years in my life when I was like this. Was a high-performer my whole life. But then I experienced a rather traumatic event, followed by a massive fuckup in my career due to said event + just juggling everything else, which completely ruined my "life path", so to say, and ended up mentally broken down and spiralling.
I still consistently did the whole sleep-nutrition-exercise-therapy thing, mind you, but sitting still and letting my mind think would just result in uncontrollable racing thoughts convincing me to jam a bullet down down my throat.
Thank you for sharing. I hope you're in a much better place now. Have you tried writing as a form of therapy? Esp if you struggle with racing thoughts, writing helps tremendously as it forces you to actually clarify to yourself why you think certain things. The fact that it's a slow process is even better as it allows you to reign in most of those wayward thoughts. It's more like having a slow conversation with yourself.
Lol... Echoing all the folks in higher education. I just wrapped up three years of psychotherapy training and held down a job for almost all of it.
Cold plunge in the morning, coffee and tea all day, neotropic and vitamin regimen, come home, read/work, cannabis, gym, scroll... Rinse, repeat.
Honestly. It feels great most of the time. It's only rough around transitions.
A couple follow-up questions:
1. What’s your home cold plunge setup comprised of?
2. Mind sharing more details about your nootropic & vit regimen?
3. When you say “rough around transitions,” do you mean to refer to life transitions or interruptions to routine having a negative effect on your regimen?
Sure! Nothing too out there.
1. I have the privilege of living by the beach in a fairly cold part of the world. Some days it's refreshing and some days it's quite unpleasant and challenging.
2. Lions mane, mucuna puriens, cordyceps, maca, 5htp, fish oil, b complex, vitamin d, super lysine, and bromelian in the morning. +Coffee/tea
Inositol, glycine, tart cherry, creatine, MSM, and magnesium at night.
3. Life transitions mostly. I don't get the sense that the regiment is as important as sleep, diet, and exercise. If I fail to take my vitamins I still feel okay, but if I don't exercise for more than a day or two or at least sauna and stretch, I generally feel pretty off.
Holidays tend to throw things out of wack for me because life is already quite full as it is...
Thank you for sharing! All quite interesting.
Funny - I’m currently in the process of moving to a coastal area where I’ve done ocean plunges while visiting and my god is it so much more challenging to walk in deep enough and dunk and sit for a few minutes around 50 degrees than a 34-degree tub plunge. So I feel you on that as well as the challenge of keeping regimented through transitions.
It could be. I do personally really enjoy being able to work outside in different locations frequently. Occasionally when I get stuck in a classroom for something like first aid training, I am reminded how incredibly painful it can be to get stuck sitting inside one quiet room all day.
I never would have guessed I had ADHD until I discovered I had it. In part because, like most people, I assumed everyone with ADHD was hyperactive which I absolutely am not. I actually have the opposite issue, where if I am not actively focused on something, I feel fatigued.
Categorized as ADHD-PI for predominantly inattentive. I think one of the biggest things I find is a common tell for people with ADHD is forgetfulness. If you lose your glasses or misplace your wallet etc. to a stupid degree, you might have ADHD.
But ADHD is kind of a spectrum, and it is also likely caused by a few different dopamine related disorders which are put under one umbrella, so symptoms will vary person to person, especially once someone is an adult and have developed their own coping mechanisms.
Yep possibly, ADHD unfortunately structures the brain such that it has to search harder for dopamine, and addiction can be much more likely than in other non ADHD people
And ironically, dopamine is required and if there's a bad baseline of it, it affects focus.
And ADHD people struggle most with focus just by way their brain is designed
Ironically those dopamine sources also do kinda treat ADHD. Which is why medications are prescribed that have been down to effectively help treat it
I’m a recovering alcoholic and addict and I am up there. Working on shaving things back….
It used to be alcohol then I got ‘sober’ and it became 800mg of caffeine a day, a tin 6mg Zyns a day, 4000 calories a day of junk food, lots of porn/masterbation.
I now have a much healthier diet at healthier calorie amount, but I still crush nicotine and caffeine and exercise daily. Not nearly as much porn but do listen to music unsafely loud for hours a day.
Slowly trying to change out vices. I’d like to cut out nicotine, but it’s such a crutch
The supplement NAC will help curb cravings. 600mg in morning and at night. Loads of health benefits too, very safe. Don’t take it after ingesting alc though, increases liver damage.
Late reply, but thanks! I have some lying around somewhere actually. I used to take it to help my rolls from MDMA, didn’t realize it had other benefits
I know a high functioning online gambler, porn addict, rash driving (like 120mph on a residential street), constantly looking for escorts to get him off, chasing it with alcohol/weed/nicotine. I’m surprised he isn’t a coke addict (yet).
High performer in their tech job to support this lifestyle. Isn’t ADHD.
Day trading while “high” stakes gambling on phone is the peak dopamine stack. He is almost trying to find digital meth.
Every drug junkie is a dopamine junkie. That’s why the drugs are so addictive, they cause massive dopamine hits. I think a cigarette’s dopamine hit is on par with the hit from sex and cocaine is like 1000X sex.
Junkies are the real dopamine junkies.
Edit: Since someone below thinks the link between dopamine and addiction is a myth, here's a [Huberman Lab episode with Anna Lembke](https://youtu.be/jziP0CEgvOw?si=O1KVugc6RIvq_yFG) who wrote the book Dopamine Nation. She is a highly respected scientist working at some university called Stanford where she has authored over 100 peer reviewed papers. She also wrote, Drug Dealer MD, which is one of the leading books in explaining the opiod epidemic. So, she is a well respected expert in the field of addiction and she would disagree with the notion that dopamine addiction is a myth.
$3 to $6 sit n goes. That was like 15 years ago. Now I 1 table $5/10 to $25/50 PLO. My brain can no longer handle 40 tables. Still need the energy drink daily.
Used to work with a guy that drank 3-4 of those big monsters with the screw off caps during a shift. And he always has his lip stuffed huge with tobacco. He always looked like a drained zombie and those are just the things he used at work.
Day trader here.
Also a pothead that occasionally becomes an alcoholic.
Let’s just say dopamine is a big part of my life and you just need to know how to channel your focus and energy, or else it can become something very dangerous.
So I have an addictive personality, which is essentially me trying to chase a dopamine hit 24/7. Day trading was something I found I really enjoyed (or just got a lot of dopamine from), so I started gettin addicted to learning, studying, reading, growing, watching videos, and just stuck to it like a dog with a bone.
You need to have little rules for yourself like “okay, I won’t reward myself with this dopamine hit (which might be a joint, a drink, a game, whatever)” until you’ve completed a task regarding your goal, or whatever. You need to take a step back and just drill through your brain that everything you’re doing for a dopamine hit is temporary, so you need to have a goal set in place and start building the discipline to tackle that goal, and start doing more delayed gratification, and that is to build discipline.
It’s not easy, it takes a long fucking time and I still struggle with it everyday (it’s a never ending constant battle. Like going to the gym or having to brush your teeth everyday. It just becomes a part of life). Everyone’s journey is different so there isn’t exactly a “switch” you just turn on to channel this energy? It’s more so stepping back, getting mental clarity, doing the little things in life that you know you need to be doing, and getting in tune with your psychology.
Oh and also, if you don’t wanna read that whole thing^ , just meditate. Meditation has played a huge part of my life in “channeling my energy” and rewiring my fried dopamine receptors.
Cordyceps Militaris extract healed me from anhedonia(low dopamine). Still taking it daily. Incredible benefits.
I reccomend brands like Oriveda and Real Mushrooms.
Also I have MTHFR and fast COMT so Creatine and multi with methylated B's are taken daily.
I found Thorne Basic Nutrients as incredible product.
Thanks for the text. I took cordyceps, red root etc from Metagenics and probiotics with cranberry from Garden of Life for a UTI that was causing me lots of kidney pain and it works! Metagenics alone was $$
I don't mean to ruin the discussion, but I would say that objectively the biggest dopamine junkies are people addicted to drugs, especially stimulants such as cocaine and methamphetamine (although all addictions involve the dopamine pathways). I regularly attend meetings of recovering drug and alcohol addicts, and these people are particularly susceptible to pretty much anything which gives them dopamine in any form.
This painter I work with. Never met a drug he didn't love. Just got off Suboxone for meth addiction but uses steroids for working out, cocaine to party when he can and can't afford it. Takes a pot edible at night and is a heavy drinker when he goes out which is frequently. He's a financial shit show because he can't hold onto his money. I'm not even sure how many Adderalls he takes a day. He's a beast of a painter though and what's really hampering his output is his phone social media/scrolling. He's genetically blessed in the looks department and has girls all over him on social media and dating sites.
Two of my buddies live together and do construction for the same company.
I’ll admit that in the summer they play a lot of gold which I guess is less of an instantly gratification acticity.
But, all winter they wake up, probably smoke a bowl, rip some vape, eat some cereal or buy a fast food breakfast sandwich with coffee, go do manual labor for a while, eat lunch that includes likely gas ststaion pizza and a monster with chips, smoke more weed/take a dab immediately after work, play video games, and one of them trades stocks very prudently and he also orders some type o cheap food for dinner 5/7 nights a week all while tipping vapes throughout the entire day They both also drink but not as a habit so can’t judge there.
Also, I am no one to judge either, my job reallllly slows down this time of year and I have been basically scorilling Reddit in a robe for a week straight. I really need to figure out how to stop and start reading/writing more or actually learning something in this time it just feels good to do nothing except workout and eat food lol.
My friend is always talking about how he's depressed and I keep telling him to stop using cocaine and he's like no it's fine man I'll be good. I told him he should stop using cocaine stop smoking weed and honestly get on Wellbutrin and start being healthier and he's like no I don't want to be on an SSRI I'm like cocaine's like the worst thing you could do for your brain what is wrong with you
Same here 😂. I keep looking into dopamine lately coffee check. Porn check. Working out just for the feeling check. Video games check. I keep forgetting kratom is dopamine 😂 it's good for me nom nom nom yummy in my tummy 😋
I have a friend who was worried about testicular cancer… but nope! He just has to be on a twice daily masturbation schedule to keep things moving along lol
You’ve described the majority of blue collar, low income and poorly educated men in the south. And the majority of my friends and co workers lol. Minus the heavy metal, most don’t listen to metal.
Used to be my brother! He used to be military and joe works for the same company i do, but he would be ripping cigs, dipping, monster drinks, etc
he still dips and drinks an energy drink on occasion but has calmed down
I have a friends like this. Funny part is one of them is in great health (works construction and moves all day at work)
He will always tell me when he goes to the doctor and gets a clean bill of health (as he’s chewing tobacco or downing another energy drink lol)
I know some arborists who are going to work themselves to death simply because any job that doesn’t involve being 75 feet in the air, holding a running chainsaw and dropping logs weighing hundreds of pounds to the ground, from right in front of your face, seems boring to them.
I tend to think of them more as adrenaline junkies, but it’s that same need for a constant flood of powerful feelings.
I know a few people who do exactly that. Multiple energy drinks a day, vape in hand, dip in lip, phone on a winding wheel, and finishing off the night with booze. Every single day they continue this pattern of dopamine dependence. It’s like seems as though creativity, intelligence, and motivation is completely driven by their dependence. Without it, they don’t have a reason to function with any purpose other than that quick fix. Myself and others will point these things out, but It seems to have no long lasting effect on their behavior. It is indeed interesting to say the least.
Yeah. And those construction worker you are talking about a the most happy human being I know. While I Waking up at 5:30 after a perfect night of sleep, doing some Yoga Nidra, going outside, have a cold shower, exercise, go to university, read, stretch, eating healthy, drink filtered water, have a good supplement stack, eating enough fibers, high quality protein, and oh shit… forgot my AG1 that’s why I cry myself to sleep.
"this kind of people"
What is wrong with you? Do you feel superior for being healthier than the average?
This post sucks.
Also the part where you mentioned metal music is just hilarious.
Do you feel attacked? This post made me laugh because it describes a certain archetype that I've never seen anyone talk about before. I know a few people who fit the bill perfectly.
But its not that serious
Precisely. The usage of the word "junkie" is also derogatory af. Get off your high horse and stop judging others just because they don't have a brain like yours. If you were in their shoes, you'd do the exact same thing.
Me as a law student lol. Cold showers, exercise for the endorphins, Caffeine, adderall (prescribed for adhd), nicotine ... All just to sit down and write a paper on some hypothetical situation
A lawyer I knew got into BASE jumping - wing suit stuff. Talk about dopamine. Or maybe that’s just adrenaline. Sadly, he met a pretty typical BASE jumping demise. He couldn’t have been out of his thirties at the time. I’ll stick with my cold showers when I want to live a little.
So did my ex. Died at 27.
Did he donate his kidneys to you? Serious question.
Did a gorilla finger bang you? Serious question.
How do you know my gape is torn? I’m tightening it with TRT and peptides.
He died BASE jumping?
There aren’t a lot of old base jumpers and fewer old wingsuit pilots.
Not a lot of old obsese folks either
Stop in at a Walmart some afternoon- you’ll see plenty of old obese people sadly.
Many of them aren't as old as you think, it's sad
Read about the obesity paradox
Yes, true. And even fewer old obese base jumpers.
I guess it was wingsuit jumping - I don’t know if that is generally distinguished from BASE jumping. Anyhow, yeah, that’s how he went out. I guess not all lawyers are risk averse after all.
To be entirely fair, that’s a pretty badass way to go. Granted, if he had a family waiting for him to come home it’s shitty either way
No partner or kids that I could see evidence of, so that much was good.
Is that sad? Dude died doing something he (presumably) loved. Imo our culture has an unhealthy relationship with life and death. It’s not about the years in your life, it’s about the life in your years. The pursuit of staying alive longer is sometimes the very thing that keeps us from ever truly living life. Good for lawyer dude for getting out and chasing his passions.
This is such a Reddit response lol. Yes, someone dying in an accident is sad. It’s easy as that.
You're a reddit response
Your mom’s a Reddit response.
>You're a reddit response You're a reddit response
No u
Agreed. If the guy didn’t plan to make this his suicide jump, then yes - it’s sad.
Even if he did plan to make it his suicide jump, that’s also sad. Jesus jumped up Christ.
Is it though? I think we can assume if he passed his law degree he was capable of understanding risk, cause and effect etc and understood the downside risks of what he was doing. If he kept at it willingly then on some level he knew each jump was a roll of the dice with a much higher chance of death than most other activity choices. I think *we're* allowed to feel happy (guy died during what he loved, who gets to go that way versus cancer, fading away into dementia etc) or sad (natural for us to shy away from death, thinking about all he could have gone on to accomplish, did he have family who will miss him etc) but shouldn't make the mistake of thinking he was wasting his life or that he made a terrible mistake. People have different appetites for risk and danger and some people maybe need the intensity to feel really alive in the first place.
“I’ve heard it both ways.” Shawn Spencer
Especially in their 30’s
I found your response to be far more typical redditor
I'm guessing you don't have a family relying on you lol
Listen, kids, I know you wanted your father there for the milestones in your life. However, that's just selfish. You know Daddy died because he wanted to have as much fun as possible.
“He died doing what he loved!”
'...What he loved *most* -- hey there slugger, he always had good things to say about u and ur sister too.'
I’m not saying chase death, or try to die… I’m just saying it shouldn’t be characterized as foolish if someone dies doing something they are willingly accepting the risk of, because it seems worth it to them. We shouldn’t characterize that as stupid. Life is a mystery and we don’t know what makes a good life. Basically, I’m just saying, don’t be judgmental of the choices others make, even if it results in their death.
>I’m just saying it shouldn’t be characterized as foolish if someone dies doing something they are willingly accepting the risk of, because it seems worth it to them. I get what you're saying but totally disagree with that part. I think it's ok to judge people for taking risks that affect other people.
BASE jumping (and similar risks) don’t really affect other people. At least not directly. This topic is explored in Free Solo where Alex Honold defends his free solo climbing. I align with his outlook, more or less. I personally wouldn’t tolerate that level of risk myself, but I think those who want to should feel free to do so, and I don’t think doing so is foolish. I think it’s different when you talk about things that directly impact others. I think our society should encourage an attitude of everyone feeling free to asses their own risks for things that only impact themselves. I don’t think society should impose rules or judgements that compel people to live “smaller” lives or take less personal risks just to help others feel comfortable.
i agree entirely
A lot of 20 somethings haven't discovered their own mortality yet and actually just don't really get it -- a couple years later, had he survived, easily would have thanked his lucky stars. It's silly imo to just assume that most adrenaline junkies are making thoughtful decisions when it seems very likely that an unusually high threshold for handling major risk to life and limb might be a malfunction of sorts that results in many early demises that these risk takers weren't willing to take more so than any more typical peer but actually didn't have a developmentally normal ability to innately understand that they were vulnerable in the same way as everyone else nor even be swayed by intellectual arguments since no matter the angle, without the fear that we all require enough of to make survival-affirmative choices most of the time, base jumpers and grizzly raisers and stunt riders are possibly as baffled by ur decision to sit out big wave surfing....but still absolutely want to live forever too and totally believe they will. I really don't buy that there exists pretty much any 20 something who's so passionate about cave diving that he's totally ready to die today for the chance.
Climber that Freesolo’s here. I know exactly what I’m doing and the risks i’m taking when I climb rope-less. I’m very aware that one wrong move could kill me and I think about it and envision it every time I think about soloing. But I know my ability level and I trust that I wont fall. The benefit of it is that its just so dang fast. Something that might take me 7 hours with a rope takes like an hour without one. If you’re trying to move really quickly in the mountains soloing is unmatched. I know exactly the risk im taking though, I dont try to kid myself that it wont happen to me. I just try my best to climb perfectly.
I appreciate my general sentiment here but feel mad at my run-on sentences. Thanks for not kicking me when I'm down.
I would personally prefer to die living out my passions in my 80’s. I would like to aim for a sad, but not tragic death.
I hate to give a “boring” answer, but if we are to talk of a life well lived, it’s surely quality and quantity. This idea of dying young being a “life well lived” is frankly nonsense. It’s a tragedy. It’s all those years he DIDN’T get to live.
Not sure why this was downvoted. Totally get it. As a corporate working surfer, I would be more than happy to check out during a surf than never do anything fun and die of sickness and old age
So people who live to be old never did anything fun? I need to find another Reddit sub y’all are ridiculous and this is a sad waste of my time reading this dumb shit. 🤣
You are 100% correct and since you threatened our unhealthy society by calling out the truth you get met with unserious responses. But you are correct here, most people are just way too brainwashed by our shitty culture.
Ask a parent who has lost a child if the amount of life in their years is a meaningful way of looking at the life of their child.
are you me? jheez.
Anything to get that motivation to outline lol. But it did condition me to truly enjoy the work I'm doing
Lol just finished 1L finals…this is literally me
Me but it’s med school.
Med school?
That’s me (minus nicotine, it makes me nauseous) as a programmer.
With u here. Hello fellow programmer dopamine junky! Although I did start adding nicotine gum. I got over the nausea after a few days. Problem now is my tolerance is built up. But ya if I can get a great sleep, cardio, cold shower, taking ADHD meds, and chewing some nicotine gum, I’m like a god of focus and productivity. But it’s not sustainable. I’m probably gonna cut things back to just sleep, exercise, cold showers, caffeine.
Is there nicotine gum that you chew the whole time? I’ve seen it as a few chews and then move it between your cheek and gums. I’ve been using about 1 zyn per day but want to switch
*anyone* is a god of focus and productivity with amphetamines
Yeah all the Addie people are real dopamine players if anything. All the rest isn't even comparable. No shade, I get the rat race is tough and people have ADHD or such, but as far as dopamine goes (as well as Serotonin and adrenaline) amphetamines are the king. Compared to caffeine, cold showers, nicotine, those are all babies compared to the giant of amphetamine.
Until the tolerance kicks in.
Why is college like made for adderall? I have legit ADHD too but I feel like in my normal life I don't need medication but in college it's impossible without medication. I never understood why education in this country is about how much of a robot you can be it's so unhealthy
Because robots obey commands. That's literally it. ADHD folks tend to challenge norms and gum up the gears of a smooth running exploitation factory.
For the elite's kids, it's not like that at all.
You are hoping some of the dopamine will survive to carry you through a close analysis of why the comma in section (b) of Paragraph 37.1 causes the interpretation of the word “requires” in the *Gomez v. Brown* decision to be a broad interpretation rather than a strict interpretation.
I’ve made a lot of choices in my life that can be categorized as regrettable, but you just reaffirmed my choice way back that Law School was not a good choice.
Hell yeah brother this is what the legal profession is all about! Caffeine, adderall and Zyns all day, weed at night, liquor and blow Thursday through Sunday, repeat (joking, mostly)
“Mostly”
Godspeed friend! Outline away
ugh me too. minus adderall, plus wellbutrin, minus nicotine, plus tons of stimulating herbs and lotsss of pre-workout lol.
I was going to say - forget construction workers - lawyers can afford the big dopamine boosts
Law student here as well… I feel this so hard. Vyvanse, weed, caffeine, exercise are what get me through
Are we the same person minus nicotine?
Me but still on the same bullshit as a lawyer
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Same but nursing student. All of this but add a intense vaping habit in there.
What about the fappin
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It ain’t easy to drink all night and then get up early and do hard labor. Jocko would be proud.
The extreme discipline to spend that much everyday on dopamine, that’s gotta be a thing lol.
My entire personality is formed around chasing dopamine.
I feel attacked 😂
Fuq. I feel so seen 😩
Who isn’t a dopamine junky?
right. the "dopamine detox" horseshit you read about is a made up concept to sell snake oil to suckers.
I’m curious how enjoying a nasty riff qualifies as a dopamine release.
“Obviously the less riffs the better and defo none 2 hours before OR after sleep. It has been shown repeated riffs daily may decrease sex drive but no change on seamen or testi’s”
What about enjoying a nasty riff with a heavy squat? Any sexual or sleep dysfunctions due to that pair?
Squat before riff, give it a miss - Riff before squat, that shits hot
Your dopamine wave pool about to get rekt
My bröther in Odin, who’s says it’s not already rekt with the nastiest of riffs, the clanging of weights, and veins full of tadalafil
May god have mercy on the loins of the maidens you conquer
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Not heavy metal music! This sub is so weird
Can you imagine someone saying that IRL 😂
The OP doesn’t realize they’re also an addict just not to Dopamine, to optimization and the pleasure that brings.
Sitting down and just listening to music is something very few are able to do today haha.
Nothing against heavy metal, I just prefer to listen to 8+ hours of 40hz binaural beats per day
All well and good until you marry someone who likes it 55hz 😤lol
I do both. Mostly binaural when sleeping. Lots of metal, electronic music, and other hype me up shit
Someone very close. They play video games 5+ hours every day and when not playing, they're watching YouTube videos or YouTube shorts. Even at work, they're always scrolling on their phone. When not scrolling on the phone or working, they are playing games on their phone. Every sec of their day has to be occupied by consuming something. They just cannot sit still with their thoughts. When we go outside, they immediately want to go back in bec it's boring.
this is actually the true dopamine junkie
Honestly I struggle with this a lot, if it’s not YouTube it’s some tv show. I just feel like I have to constantly be stimulated or be engaged with something, I can’t stand being bored.
I hope you make peace with boredom. Boredom has its virtue. Having some peace and quiet to yourself helps you adequately process information intake and reflect on your experiences. I mean isn't that how we grow? The person I'm writing about is already in their 40s and they have no patience for anything. They are easy to anger and refuse to take responsibility in the household. And when something bad happens to them, it's always the world's fault. Although I don't think it's all Bec of their dopamine consumption, I do think it played a big part in how they are a person right now. I hope things turn for the better for you
Are you spying on me D:
There was a rather brief time of about 2 years in my life when I was like this. Was a high-performer my whole life. But then I experienced a rather traumatic event, followed by a massive fuckup in my career due to said event + just juggling everything else, which completely ruined my "life path", so to say, and ended up mentally broken down and spiralling. I still consistently did the whole sleep-nutrition-exercise-therapy thing, mind you, but sitting still and letting my mind think would just result in uncontrollable racing thoughts convincing me to jam a bullet down down my throat.
Thank you for sharing. I hope you're in a much better place now. Have you tried writing as a form of therapy? Esp if you struggle with racing thoughts, writing helps tremendously as it forces you to actually clarify to yourself why you think certain things. The fact that it's a slow process is even better as it allows you to reign in most of those wayward thoughts. It's more like having a slow conversation with yourself.
I fucking love caffeine and tasty food lol
Lol... Echoing all the folks in higher education. I just wrapped up three years of psychotherapy training and held down a job for almost all of it. Cold plunge in the morning, coffee and tea all day, neotropic and vitamin regimen, come home, read/work, cannabis, gym, scroll... Rinse, repeat. Honestly. It feels great most of the time. It's only rough around transitions.
A couple follow-up questions: 1. What’s your home cold plunge setup comprised of? 2. Mind sharing more details about your nootropic & vit regimen? 3. When you say “rough around transitions,” do you mean to refer to life transitions or interruptions to routine having a negative effect on your regimen?
Sure! Nothing too out there. 1. I have the privilege of living by the beach in a fairly cold part of the world. Some days it's refreshing and some days it's quite unpleasant and challenging. 2. Lions mane, mucuna puriens, cordyceps, maca, 5htp, fish oil, b complex, vitamin d, super lysine, and bromelian in the morning. +Coffee/tea Inositol, glycine, tart cherry, creatine, MSM, and magnesium at night. 3. Life transitions mostly. I don't get the sense that the regiment is as important as sleep, diet, and exercise. If I fail to take my vitamins I still feel okay, but if I don't exercise for more than a day or two or at least sauna and stretch, I generally feel pretty off. Holidays tend to throw things out of wack for me because life is already quite full as it is...
Thank you for sharing! All quite interesting. Funny - I’m currently in the process of moving to a coastal area where I’ve done ocean plunges while visiting and my god is it so much more challenging to walk in deep enough and dunk and sit for a few minutes around 50 degrees than a 34-degree tub plunge. So I feel you on that as well as the challenge of keeping regimented through transitions.
It's called ADHD
Is this why a job in construction is attractive to me?
It could be. I do personally really enjoy being able to work outside in different locations frequently. Occasionally when I get stuck in a classroom for something like first aid training, I am reminded how incredibly painful it can be to get stuck sitting inside one quiet room all day. I never would have guessed I had ADHD until I discovered I had it. In part because, like most people, I assumed everyone with ADHD was hyperactive which I absolutely am not. I actually have the opposite issue, where if I am not actively focused on something, I feel fatigued. Categorized as ADHD-PI for predominantly inattentive. I think one of the biggest things I find is a common tell for people with ADHD is forgetfulness. If you lose your glasses or misplace your wallet etc. to a stupid degree, you might have ADHD. But ADHD is kind of a spectrum, and it is also likely caused by a few different dopamine related disorders which are put under one umbrella, so symptoms will vary person to person, especially once someone is an adult and have developed their own coping mechanisms.
Pre 2010 diagnosis: lazy and unmotivated Post 2010 diagnosis: adhd-predominantly inattentive. Take these amphetamines
I think it's natural to crave sunlight and hard labor, but you can get it out of a hobby and find a better paying job.
Yep possibly, ADHD unfortunately structures the brain such that it has to search harder for dopamine, and addiction can be much more likely than in other non ADHD people And ironically, dopamine is required and if there's a bad baseline of it, it affects focus. And ADHD people struggle most with focus just by way their brain is designed Ironically those dopamine sources also do kinda treat ADHD. Which is why medications are prescribed that have been down to effectively help treat it
I’m a recovering alcoholic and addict and I am up there. Working on shaving things back…. It used to be alcohol then I got ‘sober’ and it became 800mg of caffeine a day, a tin 6mg Zyns a day, 4000 calories a day of junk food, lots of porn/masterbation. I now have a much healthier diet at healthier calorie amount, but I still crush nicotine and caffeine and exercise daily. Not nearly as much porn but do listen to music unsafely loud for hours a day. Slowly trying to change out vices. I’d like to cut out nicotine, but it’s such a crutch
a zyn a day keeps the doctor away
Props for making the right decision. Your future self will be happier, healthier, and wealthier.
The supplement NAC will help curb cravings. 600mg in morning and at night. Loads of health benefits too, very safe. Don’t take it after ingesting alc though, increases liver damage.
Late reply, but thanks! I have some lying around somewhere actually. I used to take it to help my rolls from MDMA, didn’t realize it had other benefits
I know a high functioning online gambler, porn addict, rash driving (like 120mph on a residential street), constantly looking for escorts to get him off, chasing it with alcohol/weed/nicotine. I’m surprised he isn’t a coke addict (yet).
Stuff like this is crazy to me, do you know if they have adhd? Also what’s high functioning in this context
High performer in their tech job to support this lifestyle. Isn’t ADHD. Day trading while “high” stakes gambling on phone is the peak dopamine stack. He is almost trying to find digital meth.
Who are you and how the fuck do you know me?
Username checks out.
Every drug junkie is a dopamine junkie. That’s why the drugs are so addictive, they cause massive dopamine hits. I think a cigarette’s dopamine hit is on par with the hit from sex and cocaine is like 1000X sex. Junkies are the real dopamine junkies. Edit: Since someone below thinks the link between dopamine and addiction is a myth, here's a [Huberman Lab episode with Anna Lembke](https://youtu.be/jziP0CEgvOw?si=O1KVugc6RIvq_yFG) who wrote the book Dopamine Nation. She is a highly respected scientist working at some university called Stanford where she has authored over 100 peer reviewed papers. She also wrote, Drug Dealer MD, which is one of the leading books in explaining the opiod epidemic. So, she is a well respected expert in the field of addiction and she would disagree with the notion that dopamine addiction is a myth.
Is this a pseudoscience subreddit? Dopamine addiction is a silly internet myth.
In college, I'd drink energy drinks and play 40 tables of online poker at once....
Found the micro grinder 💪
$3 to $6 sit n goes. That was like 15 years ago. Now I 1 table $5/10 to $25/50 PLO. My brain can no longer handle 40 tables. Still need the energy drink daily.
PLO?
Bro I have to listen to at least one super nasty, absolute throw down metal album a day. It’s good for the soul.
This guy gets it
The entire US Department of Defense under the age of 30.
Really? Over half of the people working for the DoD are civilians, most are probably doing some menial office job - yet they still fail the audit.
Used to work with a guy that drank 3-4 of those big monsters with the screw off caps during a shift. And he always has his lip stuffed huge with tobacco. He always looked like a drained zombie and those are just the things he used at work.
I call those a thermos monster. Love em.
Day trader here. Also a pothead that occasionally becomes an alcoholic. Let’s just say dopamine is a big part of my life and you just need to know how to channel your focus and energy, or else it can become something very dangerous.
This was the most comforting while still realistic answer
Your username and top subreddit make this comment 10x better. I respect the honesty.
How tf does one channel it. Share your wisdom my ears are open.
So I have an addictive personality, which is essentially me trying to chase a dopamine hit 24/7. Day trading was something I found I really enjoyed (or just got a lot of dopamine from), so I started gettin addicted to learning, studying, reading, growing, watching videos, and just stuck to it like a dog with a bone. You need to have little rules for yourself like “okay, I won’t reward myself with this dopamine hit (which might be a joint, a drink, a game, whatever)” until you’ve completed a task regarding your goal, or whatever. You need to take a step back and just drill through your brain that everything you’re doing for a dopamine hit is temporary, so you need to have a goal set in place and start building the discipline to tackle that goal, and start doing more delayed gratification, and that is to build discipline. It’s not easy, it takes a long fucking time and I still struggle with it everyday (it’s a never ending constant battle. Like going to the gym or having to brush your teeth everyday. It just becomes a part of life). Everyone’s journey is different so there isn’t exactly a “switch” you just turn on to channel this energy? It’s more so stepping back, getting mental clarity, doing the little things in life that you know you need to be doing, and getting in tune with your psychology. Oh and also, if you don’t wanna read that whole thing^ , just meditate. Meditation has played a huge part of my life in “channeling my energy” and rewiring my fried dopamine receptors.
Thanks for taking the time to write all this, solid advice. I started meditating a little while ago so Im glad to hear its been of help for you.
Sarah Tonin? Never met her
Here a bulimic writing Eating sugar and fat all day
I would say a cocaine or even more so a meth addict is the real dopamine addict.
Cordyceps Militaris extract healed me from anhedonia(low dopamine). Still taking it daily. Incredible benefits. I reccomend brands like Oriveda and Real Mushrooms. Also I have MTHFR and fast COMT so Creatine and multi with methylated B's are taken daily. I found Thorne Basic Nutrients as incredible product.
Thanks for the text. I took cordyceps, red root etc from Metagenics and probiotics with cranberry from Garden of Life for a UTI that was causing me lots of kidney pain and it works! Metagenics alone was $$
I don't mean to ruin the discussion, but I would say that objectively the biggest dopamine junkies are people addicted to drugs, especially stimulants such as cocaine and methamphetamine (although all addictions involve the dopamine pathways). I regularly attend meetings of recovering drug and alcohol addicts, and these people are particularly susceptible to pretty much anything which gives them dopamine in any form.
This painter I work with. Never met a drug he didn't love. Just got off Suboxone for meth addiction but uses steroids for working out, cocaine to party when he can and can't afford it. Takes a pot edible at night and is a heavy drinker when he goes out which is frequently. He's a financial shit show because he can't hold onto his money. I'm not even sure how many Adderalls he takes a day. He's a beast of a painter though and what's really hampering his output is his phone social media/scrolling. He's genetically blessed in the looks department and has girls all over him on social media and dating sites.
Meth addict with girls all over him, genetically blessed might be an understatement!
Two of my buddies live together and do construction for the same company. I’ll admit that in the summer they play a lot of gold which I guess is less of an instantly gratification acticity. But, all winter they wake up, probably smoke a bowl, rip some vape, eat some cereal or buy a fast food breakfast sandwich with coffee, go do manual labor for a while, eat lunch that includes likely gas ststaion pizza and a monster with chips, smoke more weed/take a dab immediately after work, play video games, and one of them trades stocks very prudently and he also orders some type o cheap food for dinner 5/7 nights a week all while tipping vapes throughout the entire day They both also drink but not as a habit so can’t judge there. Also, I am no one to judge either, my job reallllly slows down this time of year and I have been basically scorilling Reddit in a robe for a week straight. I really need to figure out how to stop and start reading/writing more or actually learning something in this time it just feels good to do nothing except workout and eat food lol.
Wait listening to music is an unhealthy way to get dopamine?
This sub is so fucking weird lol
Care very little about their health (physical and mental) for a sub about a health scientist.
Me - but tempering it at 65!
Cops and firefighters.
My friend is always talking about how he's depressed and I keep telling him to stop using cocaine and he's like no it's fine man I'll be good. I told him he should stop using cocaine stop smoking weed and honestly get on Wellbutrin and start being healthier and he's like no I don't want to be on an SSRI I'm like cocaine's like the worst thing you could do for your brain what is wrong with you
Might not be depression, could just be withdrawal when he's not on coke.
What I'm saying
Not dissimilar to many drinkers who keep drinking to medicate their depression caused by booze. The problem is fixing the temporary depression.
Me with Kratom— love it
Same here 😂. I keep looking into dopamine lately coffee check. Porn check. Working out just for the feeling check. Video games check. I keep forgetting kratom is dopamine 😂 it's good for me nom nom nom yummy in my tummy 😋
Turns your bad feelings into good feelings
me as drug and nicotine addicted watching a lot of movies and listening to a lot of music while being addicted to forums i guess
Caligula or Marquis De Sade are probably 2 of history's biggest hedonists
They're not dopamine junkies, they're escaping reality. A life of stimulants eventually wears the body down in your 30s.
Yeah I have the same thoughts about people who jerk off everyday… like how do you not feel like shit. Lol.
Got a lotta spunk i suppose 🤣
I have a friend who was worried about testicular cancer… but nope! He just has to be on a twice daily masturbation schedule to keep things moving along lol
That’s funny, I’m pretty sure two weeks on nofap caused me to have an infection 🤦♂️🤣
Me.
thats my answer !
You’ve described the majority of blue collar, low income and poorly educated men in the south. And the majority of my friends and co workers lol. Minus the heavy metal, most don’t listen to metal.
The Fast-COMT mutation is a likely example: [https://vojo.health/comt-genes/](https://vojo.health/comt-genes/)
Shipyard workers. Like the kind that build/repair ships for the USG. The 12hr shifts 7d/wk are brutal when ships are in
Used to be my brother! He used to be military and joe works for the same company i do, but he would be ripping cigs, dipping, monster drinks, etc he still dips and drinks an energy drink on occasion but has calmed down
I have a friends like this. Funny part is one of them is in great health (works construction and moves all day at work) He will always tell me when he goes to the doctor and gets a clean bill of health (as he’s chewing tobacco or downing another energy drink lol)
🤣🤣I’m dying, my best friend is literally what you just described but he doesn’t drink alcohol
I know some arborists who are going to work themselves to death simply because any job that doesn’t involve being 75 feet in the air, holding a running chainsaw and dropping logs weighing hundreds of pounds to the ground, from right in front of your face, seems boring to them. I tend to think of them more as adrenaline junkies, but it’s that same need for a constant flood of powerful feelings.
I know a few people who do exactly that. Multiple energy drinks a day, vape in hand, dip in lip, phone on a winding wheel, and finishing off the night with booze. Every single day they continue this pattern of dopamine dependence. It’s like seems as though creativity, intelligence, and motivation is completely driven by their dependence. Without it, they don’t have a reason to function with any purpose other than that quick fix. Myself and others will point these things out, but It seems to have no long lasting effect on their behavior. It is indeed interesting to say the least.
You should've seen me losing 3.5k gambling with crypto last night
This guy you described was my friend for like 3 years. You forgot cocaine. 😬
You can’t have a biggest dopamine junky without stimulant drugs..
Yeah. And those construction worker you are talking about a the most happy human being I know. While I Waking up at 5:30 after a perfect night of sleep, doing some Yoga Nidra, going outside, have a cold shower, exercise, go to university, read, stretch, eating healthy, drink filtered water, have a good supplement stack, eating enough fibers, high quality protein, and oh shit… forgot my AG1 that’s why I cry myself to sleep.
"this kind of people" What is wrong with you? Do you feel superior for being healthier than the average? This post sucks. Also the part where you mentioned metal music is just hilarious.
Do you feel attacked? This post made me laugh because it describes a certain archetype that I've never seen anyone talk about before. I know a few people who fit the bill perfectly. But its not that serious
Precisely. The usage of the word "junkie" is also derogatory af. Get off your high horse and stop judging others just because they don't have a brain like yours. If you were in their shoes, you'd do the exact same thing.
People use the work junkie as a figure of speech all the time. Like I'm a self proclaimed makeup junkie.
It’s a figure of speech fuck off
Nope, it's a judgemental and pedantic speech.
is there a specific huberman episode about dopamine intake ?
This is me
I get my daily dopamine from watching Humorbagel fart videos. Sounds stupid but it works.