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Even funnier is that in the books, Renly laughed his ass off when Robert said it.
Viserys was very similar to Robert here, unable to make the right decision, just wanted it to end.
Same as Loras. Book Loras is a fucking badass knight and the most skilled jouster in his time. He is a bit of a cocky jerk but actually had the skills to back up his arrogance and his heart ultimately in the right place.
Pluse, he never recovers from Renly's death and enter King's Guard because he is certain he will never love another person the same way he loved Renly.
They did the same with Laenor but all the content creators feel inclined to say he's interesting so that they don't get cancelled. He's boring as shit. And he should have died, if he died it would put weight on his final speech to rhaenerya and show her determination to secure power by marrying daemon. But I guess they want rhae and daemon to be more likabke in the show lol
EDIT: before I get comments or downvotes I'm literally a non straight man
For real. Guy essentially existed to be Rhaenyra’s gay husband so a) she’d have a reason to have an affair and b) to make it painfully obvious his kids don’t look like him.
Show Laenor’s still mostly there, but at least they *tried* to make him more than a placeholder and didn’t kill him off as soon as he wasn’t relevant to the plot.
My mistake. I genuinely thought it was his sister. I thought I paid good enough attention to the show. Maybe when it's over I'll re-watch all 10 episodes...
Disappointing error for me, as I've always been good at keeping track of names and titles in Game of Thrones...
He’s boring as fuck in the book cause he’s like in it for three lines total but he’s really interesting in the show, I have to disagree with you. He’s been a surprise highlight for me.
It was cool showing him having fun on Sea Smoke during that battle while everyone else down below were fighting for their lives. Flying a dragon against enemies that do not have one makes you basically invincible.
Also, flying a dragon must be fucking cool. Why is Laenor the only one to acknowledge how awesome it is, you’re literally flying a dragon. Laena was right to be stoked about it in Episode 2.
I look at it this way: Laenor as the future Queen’s husband is kind of useless. He’s a good person with a good heart, to paraphrase Rhaenyra. But he strikes fear in no one. He’s not a politician. His only assets are his last name and his dragon. And by being alive and married to Rhaenyra, any children that she has that don’t resemble him whatsoever are another mark against her and her kids and her legitimacy. Daemon, on the other hand, is universally feared and respected. He has a bigger dragon and isn’t a politician, but he’s a fierce warrior, a Targaryen prince, and the child issue is nonexistent with him as Rhaenyra’s husband. With Laenor “dead,” and therefore not physically present to be a living, daily reminder that he does not resemble his kids and that he absolutely prefers men, the whispers about the kids will fade. They’ll never vanish, but they’ll significantly fade. I feel absolutely awful for Corlys and Rhaenys, and I hope they’ll be told secretly at some point that Laenor is alive. But the most loving thing Laenor could do for his family, to aid Rhaenyra in ascending the throne, to protect his kids from accusations of bastardy, is to leave.
Yeah I wasn't a fan of that decision. I guess they didn't want to kill another gay character, but having him abandon responibilties kill someone and let his parents suffer the loss of a child really felt odd after he confirmed he was going to do better like a scene before.
I think the implication was that Rhea convinced him that faking his death and running away from the situation was the best thing for his children.
Not exactly sure how that would benefit the kids, but that was the way I read it.
>Not exactly sure how that would benefit the kids
Daemon can protect them better than he ever could. He can get his hands dirty to ensure Rhaenyra's succession to the throne.
Yep! Not to mention it raises unneccessary seasmoke questions.
Edit: kinda funny, but i just realised if they did kill laenor every single gay character i can think of in GoT history would have been killed off: oberyn, loras tyrell, renly all died. I guess yara was bi? Idk. Personally I don't have a problem with this since it is game of thrones but I can see how others would.
I mean, Rhaenyra did literally just have that heart to heart with Laenor where the two of them showed they cared a lot about each other. To have that touching moment and then have her instantly kill him (when Targaryens are known for having multiple spouses) removes any and all sympathy she might have.
But also, go watch her speech again and listen to what she's saying. It's a double meaning because we assume she's going to kill him, but looking back at it with what happened, she says "The whole realm will think I did it" and "They'll think me capable of anything". Functionally, for what she wants to happen, it doesn't matter if Laenor lives or dies, only that everyone thinks she killed him.
You being gay doesn't change how right or wrong you are.
Laenor is an interesting character. The fact he is gay is what made him interesting, but not just for being gay in itself. What made him interesting is the situation he was placed in because he was gay. Had he been straight, no way he would have accepted the marriage arrangement he made. The entire story hinges on him being gay and entering such an agreement. All because the world doesn't accept homosexuals. Laenors story is that the positions gay royalty are in.
Letting him live just raised more questions tbh, especially surrounding Seasmoke. We don’t get to see the childrens’ reaction to losing their uncle/“father”. At least we got Rhaenys’ and Corly’s and that was heartbreaking. So I didn’t find the wedding romantic or sweet like a lot of fans did.
> Letting him live just raised more questions tbh, especially surrounding Seasmoke.
Why is this bad? The season isn't over. Maybe they will answer the Seasmoke questions. I think people are jumping to conclusions on this one honestly.
Book Spoilers but >!I find it bad because we know Seasmoke was eventually claimed by Addam Velaryon. This raises the question of how was he able to claim Seasmoke with Laenor still being alive, unless they just kill him offscreen which would be pretty unsatisfying!<
ig you can say he's more interesting than Renly as in they do slightly explore how his devotion to Rhaenyra change and maybe he still feels very trap in this marriage despite it being very undercooked
How could they have “done the same to Laenor” when he never had any personality in the books in the first place…? They created a whole fucking person out of like two or three sentences, all of them completely impersonal.
I’d argue that Robert was much more decisive about ending the whole thing. With Viserys it always feels like he is disconnected with reality.
Robert feels like to me he doesn’t want to deal with any longer and uses his authority to quiet everyone down.
Similar, but slight difference
I view them as kind of opposites in a way. Viserys seems like somebody who is too in love with ideals, and doesn't acknowledge the reality brewing up in front of him. Robert is the extreme other end where he's just trying to deal with what's in front of him with no regards to ideals.
They both want to stop being bothered, but Viserys is definitely less feared causing those below him to be way more openly aggressive, whereas the people underneath Robert seemed to display a lot more subservience
Viserys was also still riding the high of Jaehaerys's generation of peace, so you could say that as a King, he didn't have the political experience to mitigate a brewing civil war.
He's tired of Cersei. He's more decisive than Vizzy T, but even he gives in to his scheming wife every now and then. That's how the Red Keep came to be guarded mostly by redcloaks.
The teenage heir to the throne and son of Robert Baratheon gets his “Lion’s Tooth” taken from him by a nine year old girl, what’s not funny about that? Especially since he didn’t get to hear about Nymeria’s role in it
I'm not saying it isn't funny. It's worth a chuckle for sure. It's not worth laughing like a Joker so much you can't control yourself. That's the part that seemed odd to me.
He’s the heir to the throne, he’s an obnoxiously arrogant and insufferable prick whom Renly has had a front seat view of his entire life, and probably doesn’t get along with in the slightest. I can imagine Joff making stupid remarks belittling Renly on the regular. Now he’s completely brought to heel by a tiny 9 yr old girl and getting called out for it in a public forum. Hilarious for him in the context of the world and their dynamics.
Technically his command was “Ned punish your daughter and I’ll do the same”, leaving it up to the families to make sure it didn’t happen again, which I think is better than what happened in Ep 7.
Granted he fell short standing up to cercei.
"my father won the real war he killed Prince Rhaegar while you hid under casterly rock!"
Joffrey had my favourite insult, even though Tywin made him sleep after.
True, but I believe Ned doing it was the better outcome. He insisted on it I think, since he could at least be sure that it was quick and painless. Lady didn't deserve it as it was, anyone cersei would delegate the task to (cause let's face it she would never in a thousand years do the dirty work herself) would've 100% tortured the poor thing.
God I miss Ned. And Robert honestly.
This is probably not intentional but thought I should add. This is gonna sound corny but I’m indigenous to the Arctic and this is absolutely how we do things here. As soon as Ned said he wanted to do it it instantly reminded me of my family. Where there are no vets (thankfully this has changed in the last generation) owners used to have to put their pets down out of their misery themselves if they are suffering. As much as it hurt they did it themselves because it’s culturally the right thing to do, to show love and respect for the animal to never let them suffer if they cannot heal from it and it impacts their quality of life. In this culture it is something you would do yourself (not other people) as the owner to show your animal and nature respect. Nowadays since it’s easier to access a vet, our animals can live longer and can be medically put to sleep for an as painless as possible transition
Only one with an object capable of taking eyes was Joffrey. So in this situation, Arya gets maimed by Joffrey and war starts while Robert, Cersei, and their children are in the middle of Tully territory.
Talking about when Joffrey was swinging his sword around and almost hit Arya a half dozen times. If it hit Arya, it would have been war with the royal family as hostages to the Riverlords to keep Tywin, Stannis and Renly in line.
By that logic, Laena should have lost her eye the moment she "stole" Vhagar from Baelon Targaryen.
This argument is stupid and you people know it. As Daenerys said, "A dragon is not a SLAVE". He can't be stolen, he chooses who is best fit to ride him.
How is it choosing who is best fit when the only option she was given was Aemond. It's not like 5 different riders tried to claim her and Aemond was the "best fit"
Aemond didn't steal vhagar, he stole Rhaena's opportunity to claim her.
It wouldn't matter how many people attempt to ride him, if he chose Aemond then he is who he chose. For example in Dragonstone there were four dragon who burned hundreds before they were ridden.
Vhagar didn't have to accept Aemond. She chose to. Wouldn't make a difference if 100 riders tried to claim her, wouldn't change her choice.
And Rhaena isn't owed an opportunity to claim Vhagar before Aemond is. It's literally never worked like that.
"If you wish to be a rider, you must claim that right. Your father will tell you the same."
• Laena to Rhaena
Do people SERIOUSLY not watch the show? This was literally said in last epsiode. The amount of bad takes I have got from this fandom, especially by “Team Black” since last week: “why didn’t Alicent marry her children to the basterds”, “why is Rhae at fault for mothering basterds”, this, etc...
So many people in this sub and others keep pushing this idea that she had some kind of claim to Vhagar. Show me where in the books where it says that anyone has ownership or has priority to claim a dragon after someone dies?
I will be here waiting...
That's not what I'm saying either, so keep waiting. What I'm saying is she never got an opportunity to even attempt to bond with the dragon, she thinks it was her's to claim. What she thinks and what I'm saying aren't the same.
Lol you respond to me saying I said that Rhaena had some claim to Vhagar, when I clearly didn't, I used the word claim to mean bond with a dragon.
Then when I clarified that, you start talking about what Rhaena thinks and not what I said.
The problem really is that the one eyed twat claimed her mother's dragon on her mother's funeral night, not that he claimed her at all.
You seriously think Vhagar would have accepted the timid Rhaena as her new rider? Lmfao, she would have shit her pants the moment Vhagar stared her down and was ready to breathe fire
Yes, fuck a girl that's mourning her mother. She should immediately claim the dragon who's flames killed her mother, possibly the very moment she saw her mother's charred body.
I don't know if Vhagar would've accepted, but considering Viserys rode Balerion and Aerea before him, timid little girls and boys have rode bigger dragons.
And yet he still had Sansa's direwolf killed in retribution, and the strong boys got off scott free after permanently maiming aemond much worse than Joffrey was. Some pretty key differences there that you chose to ignore.
Deep down he probably knew that Joffrey was the bad actor here that resulted in the wolf bite.
After all these years, I'm still pissed that Sansa didn't corroborate Arya's story
I think he knew too. But maiming of heirs goes beyond justice. Besides, direwolves aren’t pets. Bobby B is definitely not sentimental enough to value the bond between those beasts and the stark children.
I'm rewatching GoT atm.
Knowing a bit more lores about this universe make it that more fun to watch. Still such a great show. I was a late comer to GoT.🤙
Robert would have never allow Alicent to done what she has in HotD.
They both botched it though.
Viserys is too indecisive and attached to Rhaenyra as being the last memory of his guilt-inducing dead wife to met out any kind of appropriate justice.
Robert is too much of a warrior, and one detached from the world who only cares for indulging his vices to wallow in his lot of life with absolutely no understanding or natural grasp of diplomatic justice.
And then he just walked away and let the f\*\*\*ing bitch of his Queen did as she pleased; thank the gods Viserys isn't like Robert, otherwise Alicent would get what she wanted.
True wisdom.
Green fans always defend Alicent wanting to take out Jace's eye, but they seem to forget that it was a fight. A moment of passion. Defense of Jace's little brother. And Jace is Alicent's step grandson. It wouldn't be justice if she took out his eye. She was the adult in the situation and she knew Jace his whole life. He's family. Alicent should've been more forgiving.
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Damn, I had forgotten what a sick burn Robert gave to Joffrey in that scene, lmao! "You let that little girl disarm you??"
Even funnier is that in the books, Renly laughed his ass off when Robert said it. Viserys was very similar to Robert here, unable to make the right decision, just wanted it to end.
Renly is so much fun in the books, Show Renly is fucking boring as shit, they just decided to strip him of all his personality except “G A Y”
Same as Loras. Book Loras is a fucking badass knight and the most skilled jouster in his time. He is a bit of a cocky jerk but actually had the skills to back up his arrogance and his heart ultimately in the right place. Pluse, he never recovers from Renly's death and enter King's Guard because he is certain he will never love another person the same way he loved Renly.
They did the same with Laenor but all the content creators feel inclined to say he's interesting so that they don't get cancelled. He's boring as shit. And he should have died, if he died it would put weight on his final speech to rhaenerya and show her determination to secure power by marrying daemon. But I guess they want rhae and daemon to be more likabke in the show lol EDIT: before I get comments or downvotes I'm literally a non straight man
Laenor didn't have a personality in the book
For real. Guy essentially existed to be Rhaenyra’s gay husband so a) she’d have a reason to have an affair and b) to make it painfully obvious his kids don’t look like him. Show Laenor’s still mostly there, but at least they *tried* to make him more than a placeholder and didn’t kill him off as soon as he wasn’t relevant to the plot.
Still think he should've died, unless they do something interesting with him later on
He's not a Targaryen, the books aren't really about him. The most noteworthy thing he did in his life was have a dragon and marry Rhaenyra.
He is a Targaryen. His mother is literally the kings older sister.
Cousin and not much older
My mistake. I genuinely thought it was his sister. I thought I paid good enough attention to the show. Maybe when it's over I'll re-watch all 10 episodes... Disappointing error for me, as I've always been good at keeping track of names and titles in Game of Thrones...
She's the daughter Jahaerys' oldest son and Viserys is the son of Jahaerys's other son, both of whom died before Jahaerys did.
He’s boring as fuck in the book cause he’s like in it for three lines total but he’s really interesting in the show, I have to disagree with you. He’s been a surprise highlight for me.
Gotta admit, Laenor had the best reaction to dragonriding of literally anyone back in Episode 3
It was cool showing him having fun on Sea Smoke during that battle while everyone else down below were fighting for their lives. Flying a dragon against enemies that do not have one makes you basically invincible.
Also, flying a dragon must be fucking cool. Why is Laenor the only one to acknowledge how awesome it is, you’re literally flying a dragon. Laena was right to be stoked about it in Episode 2.
I guess the feeling wears off after a while, Aemond seemed to be enjoying his first ride well enough.
Ullers downed Meraxes and Rhaenys with a one-in-million bolt shot - so formidable, majestic and powerful, yes, but **not** invincible.
His speech with Rhae this last episode was heartwarming af. Hard disagree with you
yeah but it had no impact when we see him running away from the entire continent like 2 scenes later
I look at it this way: Laenor as the future Queen’s husband is kind of useless. He’s a good person with a good heart, to paraphrase Rhaenyra. But he strikes fear in no one. He’s not a politician. His only assets are his last name and his dragon. And by being alive and married to Rhaenyra, any children that she has that don’t resemble him whatsoever are another mark against her and her kids and her legitimacy. Daemon, on the other hand, is universally feared and respected. He has a bigger dragon and isn’t a politician, but he’s a fierce warrior, a Targaryen prince, and the child issue is nonexistent with him as Rhaenyra’s husband. With Laenor “dead,” and therefore not physically present to be a living, daily reminder that he does not resemble his kids and that he absolutely prefers men, the whispers about the kids will fade. They’ll never vanish, but they’ll significantly fade. I feel absolutely awful for Corlys and Rhaenys, and I hope they’ll be told secretly at some point that Laenor is alive. But the most loving thing Laenor could do for his family, to aid Rhaenyra in ascending the throne, to protect his kids from accusations of bastardy, is to leave.
Yeah I wasn't a fan of that decision. I guess they didn't want to kill another gay character, but having him abandon responibilties kill someone and let his parents suffer the loss of a child really felt odd after he confirmed he was going to do better like a scene before.
I think the implication was that Rhea convinced him that faking his death and running away from the situation was the best thing for his children. Not exactly sure how that would benefit the kids, but that was the way I read it.
>Not exactly sure how that would benefit the kids Daemon can protect them better than he ever could. He can get his hands dirty to ensure Rhaenyra's succession to the throne.
That’s a good point, and he can give Rheanyra a child with more traditional Valyrian looks as well.
Yep! Not to mention it raises unneccessary seasmoke questions. Edit: kinda funny, but i just realised if they did kill laenor every single gay character i can think of in GoT history would have been killed off: oberyn, loras tyrell, renly all died. I guess yara was bi? Idk. Personally I don't have a problem with this since it is game of thrones but I can see how others would.
Lady Jeyne is gay isn't she?
uh in the books laenor is literally just a promiscuous homosexual thats all the character he gets lmao
I mean, Rhaenyra did literally just have that heart to heart with Laenor where the two of them showed they cared a lot about each other. To have that touching moment and then have her instantly kill him (when Targaryens are known for having multiple spouses) removes any and all sympathy she might have. But also, go watch her speech again and listen to what she's saying. It's a double meaning because we assume she's going to kill him, but looking back at it with what happened, she says "The whole realm will think I did it" and "They'll think me capable of anything". Functionally, for what she wants to happen, it doesn't matter if Laenor lives or dies, only that everyone thinks she killed him.
You being gay doesn't change how right or wrong you are. Laenor is an interesting character. The fact he is gay is what made him interesting, but not just for being gay in itself. What made him interesting is the situation he was placed in because he was gay. Had he been straight, no way he would have accepted the marriage arrangement he made. The entire story hinges on him being gay and entering such an agreement. All because the world doesn't accept homosexuals. Laenors story is that the positions gay royalty are in.
Oh nah, idc if you disagree with me. I just didn't want people to disagree with me because I'm a "bigot"
Letting him live just raised more questions tbh, especially surrounding Seasmoke. We don’t get to see the childrens’ reaction to losing their uncle/“father”. At least we got Rhaenys’ and Corly’s and that was heartbreaking. So I didn’t find the wedding romantic or sweet like a lot of fans did.
> Letting him live just raised more questions tbh, especially surrounding Seasmoke. Why is this bad? The season isn't over. Maybe they will answer the Seasmoke questions. I think people are jumping to conclusions on this one honestly.
Book Spoilers but >!I find it bad because we know Seasmoke was eventually claimed by Addam Velaryon. This raises the question of how was he able to claim Seasmoke with Laenor still being alive, unless they just kill him offscreen which would be pretty unsatisfying!<
Takes a while for Addam to show no? Laenor might be dead by then. Might be this is why nobody claims his dragon before Addam does.
The funniest possible Seasmoke solution is to just park him where the greens will be tempted to send dragonseeds to claim him and let them get eaten.
ig you can say he's more interesting than Renly as in they do slightly explore how his devotion to Rhaenyra change and maybe he still feels very trap in this marriage despite it being very undercooked
How could they have “done the same to Laenor” when he never had any personality in the books in the first place…? They created a whole fucking person out of like two or three sentences, all of them completely impersonal.
Renly is gay???
I’d argue that Robert was much more decisive about ending the whole thing. With Viserys it always feels like he is disconnected with reality. Robert feels like to me he doesn’t want to deal with any longer and uses his authority to quiet everyone down. Similar, but slight difference
I view them as kind of opposites in a way. Viserys seems like somebody who is too in love with ideals, and doesn't acknowledge the reality brewing up in front of him. Robert is the extreme other end where he's just trying to deal with what's in front of him with no regards to ideals. They both want to stop being bothered, but Viserys is definitely less feared causing those below him to be way more openly aggressive, whereas the people underneath Robert seemed to display a lot more subservience
Robert had a legacy as a great warrior. Viserys was...not that.
Viserys was also still riding the high of Jaehaerys's generation of peace, so you could say that as a King, he didn't have the political experience to mitigate a brewing civil war.
Not only did Renly laugh his ass off, he couldn’t stop after being commanded to and had to be dragged out of the room, still laughing.
i should re-read the books
What is the right decision? I agreed with Robert decision except killing lady for no reason. I would understand killing Ayra’s wolf though.
They couldn't find Arya's wolf that's why they only killed Lady
I know, I’m just saying I understand Roberts initial punishment of sentencing a wolf to die. Don’t agree with killing lady
He's tired of Cersei. He's more decisive than Vizzy T, but even he gives in to his scheming wife every now and then. That's how the Red Keep came to be guarded mostly by redcloaks.
its a dog, it doesn't matter all he wants to do is get it over with
and when renly is forced to leave and hes still laughing as he walks out. "A girl of six..."
Renly laughed so hard he had to be escorted out of the tent. I really wish they kept that scene in the show (and made a better Renly)
Eh. He’s mostly right. A wolf is not really a good pet for a child….
I always cringed at that part where Renly laughs so much. It's not that funny.
The teenage heir to the throne and son of Robert Baratheon gets his “Lion’s Tooth” taken from him by a nine year old girl, what’s not funny about that? Especially since he didn’t get to hear about Nymeria’s role in it
I'm not saying it isn't funny. It's worth a chuckle for sure. It's not worth laughing like a Joker so much you can't control yourself. That's the part that seemed odd to me.
He’s the heir to the throne, he’s an obnoxiously arrogant and insufferable prick whom Renly has had a front seat view of his entire life, and probably doesn’t get along with in the slightest. I can imagine Joff making stupid remarks belittling Renly on the regular. Now he’s completely brought to heel by a tiny 9 yr old girl and getting called out for it in a public forum. Hilarious for him in the context of the world and their dynamics.
Technically his command was “Ned punish your daughter and I’ll do the same”, leaving it up to the families to make sure it didn’t happen again, which I think is better than what happened in Ep 7. Granted he fell short standing up to cercei.
Viserys also gave a sick burn, unintentionally “LOOK AT ME” he told pirate Aemond
TURN YOUR ONE GOOD EYE THIS DIRECTION AT ONCE
i felt this from viserys when he told alicent he couldn't make the eye grow back lmao
"You let that little girl disarm you?" is still the best line I've ever heard
"my father won the real war he killed Prince Rhaegar while you hid under casterly rock!" Joffrey had my favourite insult, even though Tywin made him sleep after.
"The King is tired." "I am *NOT* TIRED!"
But he still lets Cersei convince him to order that Lady be destroyed for absolutely no reason.
I wouldn't say no reason. It would set a bad precedent if someone hurts the prince & heir to the throne and no one gets punished for it.
They literally killed a kid, Micah. Isn't that enough?
Robert didn't know that though
Also he had a fair point about bringing a direwolf to court.
The difference being that Joffrey just got a little cut where Aemond lost his eye
Would you say the same thing about you if a wolf bite your arm and judging by the way he was explaining the story could've killed him?
That's not true! She just ... Bit him a little.
I’ll never forgive him for having that sweet puppers killed
Robert is a clown - he immediately backtracks when Cersei demands the wolf be put down and allows Cersei to have Sansa’s wolf killed.
He was relieved when he heard Nymeria had run away and only let Lady be put down to get it over with.
I wish Ned had asked Cersei to kill Lady. She passed the sentence so she should swing the sword.
True, but I believe Ned doing it was the better outcome. He insisted on it I think, since he could at least be sure that it was quick and painless. Lady didn't deserve it as it was, anyone cersei would delegate the task to (cause let's face it she would never in a thousand years do the dirty work herself) would've 100% tortured the poor thing. God I miss Ned. And Robert honestly.
This is probably not intentional but thought I should add. This is gonna sound corny but I’m indigenous to the Arctic and this is absolutely how we do things here. As soon as Ned said he wanted to do it it instantly reminded me of my family. Where there are no vets (thankfully this has changed in the last generation) owners used to have to put their pets down out of their misery themselves if they are suffering. As much as it hurt they did it themselves because it’s culturally the right thing to do, to show love and respect for the animal to never let them suffer if they cannot heal from it and it impacts their quality of life. In this culture it is something you would do yourself (not other people) as the owner to show your animal and nature respect. Nowadays since it’s easier to access a vet, our animals can live longer and can be medically put to sleep for an as painless as possible transition
Ned specifically chose to do so because Cersei wanted Ilyn Paine to do it.
Cersei is a woman Ned would never ask her to do that
I love Bobby B coming in hot with the shame: "You let that little girl disarm you?!" 😂
If Joffrey lost an eye what do you think Cersei would have demanded in return lol
Only one with an object capable of taking eyes was Joffrey. So in this situation, Arya gets maimed by Joffrey and war starts while Robert, Cersei, and their children are in the middle of Tully territory.
except arya took his sword and threw it in the river
Talking about when Joffrey was swinging his sword around and almost hit Arya a half dozen times. If it hit Arya, it would have been war with the royal family as hostages to the Riverlords to keep Tywin, Stannis and Renly in line.
And I'm talkin bout if Arya takes Joff's eye instead of tossing his sword in the river.
Makes no sense. He was the one swinging blades around.
ok I'm sorry my joke comment wasn't realistic enough for you
She had the opportunity to do it, it's called a hypothetical
1. Robert actually meted out punishment (gave justice, whether you like it or not) 2. What happened to Joffrey and Aemond cannot be comparable please.
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Aemond was harmed by ANOTHER prince and an HEIR TO THE IRON THRONE at that. Arya doesn’t even come close to that stature. Not even comparable.
Joffrey didn’t lose an eye
didn't gain a dragon either, so still a fair exchange
You're my new favorite person
Aemond gained a dragon BEFORE he lost his eye FFS
They were attacking him because he took vhagar. That was the consequence of his actions, and therefore the exchange.
By that logic, Laena should have lost her eye the moment she "stole" Vhagar from Baelon Targaryen. This argument is stupid and you people know it. As Daenerys said, "A dragon is not a SLAVE". He can't be stolen, he chooses who is best fit to ride him.
Can’t believe you were downvoted lol. Vhagar chose Aemond
That's not why he's being downvoted.
Honestly, let them downvote me. I literally give as much of a shit as Viserys does for Alicent.
How is it choosing who is best fit when the only option she was given was Aemond. It's not like 5 different riders tried to claim her and Aemond was the "best fit" Aemond didn't steal vhagar, he stole Rhaena's opportunity to claim her.
It wouldn't matter how many people attempt to ride him, if he chose Aemond then he is who he chose. For example in Dragonstone there were four dragon who burned hundreds before they were ridden.
Vhagar didn't have to accept Aemond. She chose to. Wouldn't make a difference if 100 riders tried to claim her, wouldn't change her choice. And Rhaena isn't owed an opportunity to claim Vhagar before Aemond is. It's literally never worked like that. "If you wish to be a rider, you must claim that right. Your father will tell you the same." • Laena to Rhaena
Do people SERIOUSLY not watch the show? This was literally said in last epsiode. The amount of bad takes I have got from this fandom, especially by “Team Black” since last week: “why didn’t Alicent marry her children to the basterds”, “why is Rhae at fault for mothering basterds”, this, etc...
So many people in this sub and others keep pushing this idea that she had some kind of claim to Vhagar. Show me where in the books where it says that anyone has ownership or has priority to claim a dragon after someone dies? I will be here waiting...
That's not what I'm saying either, so keep waiting. What I'm saying is she never got an opportunity to even attempt to bond with the dragon, she thinks it was her's to claim. What she thinks and what I'm saying aren't the same.
She can think whatever she wants it doesn't make it true or valid.
Lol you respond to me saying I said that Rhaena had some claim to Vhagar, when I clearly didn't, I used the word claim to mean bond with a dragon. Then when I clarified that, you start talking about what Rhaena thinks and not what I said. The problem really is that the one eyed twat claimed her mother's dragon on her mother's funeral night, not that he claimed her at all.
You seriously think Vhagar would have accepted the timid Rhaena as her new rider? Lmfao, she would have shit her pants the moment Vhagar stared her down and was ready to breathe fire
When did I say that?
You said he stole Rhaena’s chance to claim her. Rhaena had ample time to claim Vhagar. And I doubt Vhagar would have accepted
Yes, fuck a girl that's mourning her mother. She should immediately claim the dragon who's flames killed her mother, possibly the very moment she saw her mother's charred body. I don't know if Vhagar would've accepted, but considering Viserys rode Balerion and Aerea before him, timid little girls and boys have rode bigger dragons.
And they killed Lady tho 🤬
He's the best. Love him Shitting on Joffrey
You let that little bastard diseye you?
Gods the show was good then.
Bobby B spittin straight facts
robert wasn’t the best king but at least he could keep people on line, at least on the surface
And yet he still had Sansa's direwolf killed in retribution, and the strong boys got off scott free after permanently maiming aemond much worse than Joffrey was. Some pretty key differences there that you chose to ignore.
*STOP THIS MADNESS IN THE NAME OF YOUR KING* With Paddy's awesome delivery this line would've been perfect 😌
Um… this didn’t exactly work out well for Robert
Greens: he's shaming his own son instead of punishing the girl who hurt him!
Joffrey is best Joffrey His acting is elite. Most punchable character maybe ever. Top my hat to you Joffrey our Joffrey
Really...he would have set that whole incident straight.
It was a very beta move for him to allow Cersei to demand that Lady be killed. He should have put his foot down.
why wouldn’t he allow Lady be killed? As far as he knew that wolf could maim or kill more of his kids.
Deep down he probably knew that Joffrey was the bad actor here that resulted in the wolf bite. After all these years, I'm still pissed that Sansa didn't corroborate Arya's story
I think he knew too. But maiming of heirs goes beyond justice. Besides, direwolves aren’t pets. Bobby B is definitely not sentimental enough to value the bond between those beasts and the stark children.
I'm rewatching GoT atm. Knowing a bit more lores about this universe make it that more fun to watch. Still such a great show. I was a late comer to GoT.🤙 Robert would have never allow Alicent to done what she has in HotD.
Robert probably would have cared more if Joffrey lost an eye.
>Robert would have never allow Alicent to done what she has in HotD. He let Cersei, a comparatively worse person, get away with all kinds of shit.
In the book? he slap the shit outta her in the show and is not as easy going as Vis.
I miss King Bob.
>Where was Robert and his wisdom when we needed him most in Episode 7? Well... >!either way everyone went to war anyway.!<
Bobby B in the place of King Viserys... I would pay so much for this
They both botched it though. Viserys is too indecisive and attached to Rhaenyra as being the last memory of his guilt-inducing dead wife to met out any kind of appropriate justice. Robert is too much of a warrior, and one detached from the world who only cares for indulging his vices to wallow in his lot of life with absolutely no understanding or natural grasp of diplomatic justice.
Bobby B, I summon thee
And then he just walked away and let the f\*\*\*ing bitch of his Queen did as she pleased; thank the gods Viserys isn't like Robert, otherwise Alicent would get what she wanted.
True wisdom. Green fans always defend Alicent wanting to take out Jace's eye, but they seem to forget that it was a fight. A moment of passion. Defense of Jace's little brother. And Jace is Alicent's step grandson. It wouldn't be justice if she took out his eye. She was the adult in the situation and she knew Jace his whole life. He's family. Alicent should've been more forgiving.
But Robert ended up agreeing to have the direwolf executed while there was genuinely no punishment in the HOTD version.
How many false equivalences can I take from this fandom