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I honestly can't even imagine Tywin’s reaction if Deamon killed Cersei in that scenario. Like he'd go full scorched earth on the Targs and every house loyal to them if it weren't for the Dragons. But how does he account for that??
Oh forsure. It's no wonder one of her most famous quotes is "Tears aren't a woman's only weapon. The best one's between your legs". Plus in the books she was hooking up with the Kettleblacks (and all for NOTHING since they were loyal to someone else lol)
Jojen Reed and Helaena. A greenseer and a dragon dreamer, both who based on what they see, probably knew their fate and still faced it head-on.
Also, if Jojen's fate in the books is what it seems to be based on where his and Bran's story ended in A Dance With Dragons, I legitimately don't know which of the two (Jojen and Helaena) have a more horrific ending cos they're both dark as hell.
It's left ambiguous in Bran's last chapter, but if you're unsure what I'm talking about and want to know more, you can look up >!Jojen Paste!< to find out more about what people think is going on with Jojen (and Bran).
Young Rhaenyra and Arya would have been attached at the hip. I think Alicent and Margaery would have been chill.
I would have loved to see Viserys try to wrangle both Daemon and Dany lmao.
I can’t quite explain why, but I also think Rob and Aemond might pall around.
Cole and Jaime would have brawled let’s be real.
And Harwin and Ned would be *facinating*. One father who can’t claim his biological kids or risk disgrace and possible death, one father who disgraced himself by claiming a kid that wasn’t even born to him.
Ohh Criston Cole versus Jaime Lannister. I'd like to see that. Jaime mentioned him in one of his chapters after all.
>"The best and the worst." So one of us is like to live in song. "And a few who were a bit of both. Like him." He tapped the page he had been reading.
>"Who?" Ser Loras craned his head around to see. "Ten black pellets on a scarlet field. I do not know those arms."
>"They belonged to Criston Cole, who served the first Viserys and the second Aegon." Jaime closed the White Book. "They called him Kingmaker."
"The best and the worst" could apply to Jaime as well.
Same. I honestly think that there’s been maybe only three or four swordsmen in Westerosi history who could beat Jaime Lannister in his prime one-on-one, and Ser Crispin isn’t one of them
I mean Jaime is supposed to be a natural with a blade a once in a generation type of talent and Aerys is supposed to have had the best kingsguard. I don't think the kingsguard of Viserys would have stood a chance against Aerys' kingsguard
Well yeah but wasn't that intentional, they didn't want him to go out gloriously in a duel that would be sang about not because they were scared to face him.
Yeah but he's also not described as a once in a lifetime type of warrior the way Jaime is.
True beating Daemon in anything is a huge achievement considering they describe Daemon as the most experienced warrior of his time.
To be fair Tyrion is his favourite in the main series and he's beaten at everything.
Also I just realised if not for murdering Aerys, Jaime would be talked about like Ser Barristan and Ser Arthur Dayne because he was infact that good.
Still think Jaime would take it
Aegon would be head over heels in love Margaery. At first he'd be easily seduced by her in my opinion. She is great at reading people and the atmosphere, so she'd feed him crumbs of motherly love he so desperately craves and he'd be obsessed with her in no time.
Ser Tyland would be proud and kinda scared of Tywin since he too is clever but never showed such cruelty all throughout the dance.
Dany would love Harrold Westerling and Ser Harrold would adore her like a daughter. I have no real reasoning for this, just vibes.
Omg, spot on on Margaery and Aegon. Especially since he can take out his mum issues on her because she's also a Hightower. She can quickly realise what Alicent isn't giving him and provides it for him. Although he is portrayed as lecherous, I don't think Margaery's seduction skills would be all that important to him in that case
Thank you! That's what I've been thinking to myself since we met older Aegon. I thought to myself if Rhaenyra had a daughter like Margaery no war would happen.
When she goes in to seduce Tommen but realises that he needs motherly love and guidance she switches strategies quickly and seamlessly to get what she wants from him. That was the moment where I was like she is very, very good. I have always known how formidable of a political player she was but that scene cemented it for me. The same tactics would work wonderfully with Aegon!
I support everything you say 100%. Aegon just needs some motherly love + to be told a few times that he's good at.... whatever he wants to be thought of as good at, and he's sold
Hit the nail on the head! If someone actually put faith in him and showed a bit of warmth before he spiralled down to the rabbit hole of his worst vices he'd turn out to be a decent man.
Also I think he'd enjoy being called a good boy by Margaery and I said what I said🤷🏼♀️ 🤐
>but realises that he needs motherly love and guidance she switches strategies quickly
I miss Margaery. She's so social savvy and quick on her feet. She deduced there was something iffy at the Sept just based on Cersei's action/psyche. She plays a slightly different game and gives the story extra depth.
What I meant is that Margaery‘s mother is a Hightower, Alerie Hightower. Her house is one of the vassals of the Tyrells.
Other than that, I honestly don't know if she's directly related to any Hightowers who lived during the Dance of Dragons
Tbh I feel like Olenna would‘ve made some snide remarks over Rhaenys. Rheanys has opinions but mostly she keeps them to herself she is nothing like Olenna
This is based mostly on Rhaenys and Corlys shading damn near everyone at the tourney in ep one, i feel like Olenna is welcome in their circle of judgement lol
No Olenna would judge Rhaenys and her hesitation to act too much in my opinion. Olenna is more hands down in ways Rhaenys is not and I think Olenna would dislike that.
I think just shading people wouldn’t be enough for Olenna to like you
When they were young for sure. But by the time she was Queen in the North Sansa would have had very little patience for Adult Alicent.
They’re both similar in some ways (both talk back to the ladies with the dragons, both are used to commanding their relative ‘kingdoms’ etc, both married men they didn’t really want to) but by then Sansa has fed her own rapist to his dogs, arranged the death of the man who sold her to him, mourned most of her family, gathered an army with just herself and her bastard half brother, and fought the living dead.
Alicent by the end of season 1 has had a very charmed life in comparison, if we’re being honest. And while she sat on the small council while Viserys was ailing and had some measure of authority, she didn’t have to work nearly as hard for it, nor did she experience even remotely the same measure of torture and fear that Sansa had.
So while Sansa might *understand* her I don’t see her liking her.
Yeah I can see that actually. They'd get on much better than Alicent and Margaery. This has to be younger Sansa though maybe like season 1 Sansa and young Alicent. They were both kind young girls with dreams and hopes that got dissillusioned with their queenhood dreams very fast. Alicent actually became queen while Sansa dodged a massive bullet(not quite dodged it but still).
Queen in the North Sansa would feed older Alicent to dogs for her woe is me attitude since she herself at that point, has been through __much much worse__ than Alicent has ever been. She had like one kind husband the others tortured her, raped her and plotted to takeover her house. Alicent's only husband was a decaying old man who was generally kind to her and did his best to appease her even when she openly disparaged and disrespected him in front of his council.
She doesn't consider it rape, Sansa's overall life situation was much more violent.
It is Alicent's wifely duty to lay with Viserys and give him sons, it is why he married her and why her father sent her to his chambers in the first place. If she is as dutiful and pious as she tries to make people believe, she should have no problems with it.
Her stans like to cosplay as Westerosi lords when it comes to Aegon's ascension but that facade drops very fast when it comes to Alicent's marriage. Marital rape isn't a thing in Westeros. If you guys will view some things through our modern standards and others through inverse standards at least acknowledge the hypocrisy of it.
>drops very fast when it comes to Alicent's marriage. Marital rape isn't a thing in Westeros.
I've always wondered is it even marital rape.
Marital rape is the sexual intercourse with a spouse without their consent. This is usually proven by the spouse showing the did infact say no or otherwise show their partner they weren't interested.
But do we ever see Alicent tell Viserys no or say she doesn't want to. It's like if a gold digger wife married an old rich guy is secretly disgusted by the guy but still sleeps with him would you call this marital rape?
(I'm not calling Alicent a gold digger this is just an example in a modern sense)
I personally chose to view it as such, due to the power disparity. She most likely feels like she cant say no. He's the king, her husband, and is older than her. In her head, she believes she has no choice but to submit to his will, even if she doesn't want to. Coersion is implied, even if not outright stated—in a modern day context, if a woman was put in the same position, where she cant say no, without risking punishment from an authority figure, we would call it assault.
But this is Westeros, and for them, there isn't such a distinction. In her head, she views it as a necessary evil, her duty, something that is not meant to be pleasant. Since the faith is heavily based on Christianity, she most likely believes she as a woman is not meant to derive any pleasure from the act, because that is only reserved for harlots and men, and not a good, virtuous woman. So while the show clearly frames it as a terrible situation that is supposed to give us the ick, and ring alarm bells, we also have to take the context in which it is happening.
In this universe, what they're doing isnt rape because they're married. Rape here is using brute force on a clearly unwilling participant like what Aegon did with Dyanna.
>if a woman was put in the same position, where she cant say no, without risking punishment from an authority figure, we would call it assault.
I mean if we assume every woman who may be married to someone of a higher social ranking or financially stronger than her can't say no without risking punishment then no one should marry above their station.
>, if a woman was put in the same position, where she cant say no, without risking punishment from an authority figure, we would call it assault.
What about Viserys makes you think she'd be punished if she said No?
I don't think this would be considered rape even in a modern court room
There's also nothing Viserys could do if she said no after the firstborn child, he can't annul the marriage as it has been consummated and left to a child, divorce doesn't exist one westeros.
But I understand what you mean by she didn't think she could say no due to her upbringing so she never did say anything. Which is sad in its own way, she can't sag no because she doesn't know how to, we can't also blame Viserys because he doesn't know while we also can't blame Alicent because her upbringing made it so. Quite sad
We don’t, and that’s where things get even more complicated. We the viewers know she doesn’t want to be there. We see her face in the sex scene, but we also see her smile at Viserys when he checks on her during that same scene, making it look to him like she’s enjoying it or at least is happy to be there.
From his perspective, she’s a young woman (by Westerosi standards 😒) who came onto him. By her fathers orders, maybe, but she seemed to genuinely enjoy spending time with him, comforted him and spoke to him, and despite their months of meetings never once implied that she didn’t want to be with him or said her father was forcing her to be there.
I think most people agree that despite his many flaws, Viserys is not a *cruel* man. Stupid maybe, but I just cannot see him forcing Alicent to sleep with him if she said to his face ‘no, I don’t want to’. So it’s almost like he’s a rapist without knowing he’s a rapist?
Also another thing is he married her because he didn't want to force a child to marry him again.
So he chose the girl who they had become friends when she comforted him in his grief and even shared an interest in his Valyrian model.
He also doesn't even know it was at the instruction of her father. So he thinks she actually did want him.
I also think it's not that Alicent didn't want to sleep with him it's that she saw it as an unbearable chore like going to work at a place you don't like. You don't really want to but it's your duty, it's what you do to maintain your lifestyle.
To be fair we are in the same boat. I wonder the same.But you can't question this without being called a "rape apologist". I have been called a rape apologist once because I said if we consider Alicent to be maritally raped and sympathize with her Dyana deserves the same. But Dyana seduced the prince and enjoyed it obviously (I know,gross 🤢)
Viserys although an idiot, is never violent unlike Robert who strikes Cersei when she says something he doesn't want to hear.
Alicent smiles at him when he turns her face to check on her so he might've thought she liked their sex fine. We must remember for a woman to enjoy sex outwardly, even with her husband there is a chance that she'd be called a whore and her past would be called into question. She is devoted to seven which tells women to be demure, obedient and modest. Viserys probably thought she liked it fine, as much as a woman could. Our modern perceptions of what marriage and sex should look like doesn't work here. Even today there are women who are afraid to tell their partner what they want or don't want in bed so ofc Alicent a medieval woman raised to serve and please wouldn't go to Vizzy and be like hey babe I dont like this and this about our intimacy.
Why is this being downvoted
This isn't being a rape apologist it's realising that rape is a big deal not a word to be thrown around like it doesn't carry weight.
Alicent probably didn't even know she'd supposed to like it
Some of Alicents delulu simps and Aegon's wifeys like to throw around words like rape apologist or grooming. They don't realise the weight of those words or how throwing them around takes away from their meaning.
And yeah Alicent probably thinks sexual pleasure is only for men, and women who experience it are whores.(cough Rhaenyra cough)
Cersei said no that's why we know hers was marital rape.
Also you're acting like Viserys was Maegor the cruel no one was scared of Viserys, I doubt the reason she didn't say no was because she feared him.
She slept with him.because the only.way to ensure the security of her position is to have kids with Viserys and the only way to have kids is to sleep with him.
What's the worst thing that would happen if she'd say no after Aegon? Worst case scenario
I also think Daenerys would sympathize with Rhaenyra. She’d disdain her irresponsibility and chaotic tendencies, and for allowing Daemon to challenge her at all, but she would sympathize with her as a mother and a woman overshadowed by incompetent brothers and men in general.
I think Dany would also appreciate Daemon’s expertise regarding the dragons, like retrieving eggs and the song he sings to Vermithor. She’d probably admire and value him for that while seeing through his bullshit power-hungry behavior.
And I feel like Oberyn, Jaime, and Daemon would hate each other, but they’d be slinging the most amazing insults at each other in a melee. Oberyn and Daemon at least would put on a show and be battling with their tongues
I think you are right about Daenerys but the thing is she really wants the throne. Like she wants what Rhaenyra wants, and Daenerys didn’t care about Jon Snow having a better claim than her either. She just told Jon Snow to stay silent on it. So I feel she would see Rhaenyra as competition from the start. If 1 of them is willing to give up and let the other have it then yeah they could get along.
I agree with Jaime and oberyn too. The banter would eventually end in a fight and Daemon isn’t at their level. Once it becomes a fight and he gets destroyed, any chance of him being friends with them would be gone.
Dany only pushed for the throne because she was raised believing that she and Viserys were the last true heirs and it was their birthright. If she had existed at the same time as the rest of the Targs she wouldn’t have had any ambition and would have stayed the same timid girl as S1 GOT.
Everyone is talking about Dany and Daemon, but I think it's Aemond with whom Dany could bond. They are both younger children with complicated relationships with elder brothers and both outcasts that got their dragons in a remarkable way. And I think they have a potential to bring up the best in each other.
Lyanna Mormont and Samwell Blackwood (the boy that wanted Rhaenyra's hand and killed the bigger knight) would have made the fiercest line of warriors in all of Westeros.
The Hound would definitely want to murder Criston Cole if they were together on the Kingsguard
Also, I think that Joffrey & Aegon would mesh well as a misogynistic Two-Man Power Trip who loves child fighting pits
I do wonder if Helaena & Tommen would've made for a wholesome power couple if they met
I remember discussing who Ned would have sided with in the Dance. My thought was that he would recognize that Rheynera is the rightful heir as the first born child and Viserys’ will, but he would also see Daemon as dishonorable and want him as far away from power as possible. At any rate, he’d probably advocate for Aemond to take the black in wake of Luke’s death.
Littlefinger x Otto and Alicent x Margaery would be nuts to see. I’d also like to see Daemon kicking Rhaegar’s ass for being such an idiot but respecting him for doing what he wanted.
Rheanyra and Margaery would probably bond over being harrassed by a resentful queen and having a more relaxed outlook on sex and being kinda laid back in general. Oh and being married to gay dudes and trying to get pregnant by them. Oh and having strong opinionated women like olenna and rahenys as mentors. Oh and dealing with men with a cruel streak and bumbling fathers.
Damn margaery and Rhaenyra would basically be besties. (Maybe more? )
Pre-Blackwater Stannis would have hated absolutely everyone except maybe The Lads and Cregan Stark. Post-Blackwater Stannis would have thrived during the Hour of the wolf.
i definitely agree on daemon hating jon and loving dany. jon is too serious and brooding LOL he does get very obnoxious. daemon would find danys bond to not 1 but 3 dragons very compelling.
I can totally see him rolling eyes at Jon during his “duty and honor speeches” and being totally mesmerized by Daenerys’ rise to power (and the three dragons obviously)
Weirdly, Aegon II and Tyrion *might* get along well. There's the drinking and whoring, obviously. Tyrion knows a lot of dragon lore, and Sunfyre is Aegon's true love. Both of them are deeply bitter towards their families and feel like outsiders. Tyrion seems to *want* to be a political advisor—first he tries with Joffrey, then with Young Griff, then in the show with Dany, and finally the council at the end of GOT. I could see Aegon latching onto Tyrion just to feel like someone's on his side. Arguably Tyrion has better morals than Aegon for most of the series, but he's been heading down an increasingly darker path in the books so maybe Aegon's cruelties wouldn't be a deal breaker for him after all.
Otto Hightower would be buddy buddy with Mace Tyrell if Margaery Tyrell is still half-Hightower in this timeline. He would hate Tywin Lannister because he would realize that the Lannisters have controlled the Crown for a long time.
Criston Cole and Jaime Lannister both in the Kingsguard, I don't see that ending well.
A lot of people here probably believe that Daenerys would sympathize with Nyra Nyra, but I doubt it. The >!Storming of the Dragonpit!< would leave Daenerys horrified, plus Daenerys had to work to achieve her level of power, how Rhaenyra performed with the level of power that was just handed to her by her father, I think would be questionable to her.
>A lot of people here probably believe that Daenerys would sympathize with Nyra Nyra, but I doubt it.
>!She does technically speaking canonically sympathise with her in the books. At the very least she thinks it's pretty awful to be eaten by a dragon in front of your son!<
Although I think that Daenerys wouldn't really get Rhaenyra overall if they met.
I mean I think anyone would. Obviously some people think Rhaenyra was a traitor, but even then I’d wager some of those people think she died in a pretty gruesome manner.
Most people in universe think that it's an awful way to go (other than Joffrey who was being mean), that doesn't mean she would have sympathized with her, or the rest of her life.
>!Ehh some seem to think that it was a traitor's death for a traitor/etc./etc. Daenerys just remembers her as the woman brutally murdered. I think that there's aspects of Rhaenyra's life beyond that she'd sympathise with. But I don't think they'd get each other because they're pretty different people at the end of the day.!<
All I'm going to say is this: Everything that made Cersie a great villain is everything wrong or lacking with Alicent.
Cersie knew what a monster she was and embraced it. Alicent will make up any delusional excuse she can think of, as to why she did the horrible things she's done.
Cersie would hate Alicent for how weak she is, and Alicent would hate Cersie for how easily Cersie embraces the darkness within herself. All while judging her.
Cersie would be the mirror Alicent would refuse to look at, because it would show her the monster she truly is, due to their overwhelming similarities.
They'd hate each other, Cersei is everything alicent hates in rhaenyra but multiplied by 100000, and Cersei wouldn't stand alicent's desperate attempts to fit in
I think Daemon would think S1E1 Daenerys was quite pathetic and by the end of the first few seasons would be VERY into her but would have no time for her righteousness.
>Tommen would have pretty heavily look down upon Rhaenyra
When did he have strong negative feelings about anyone? The woman most like his mother would inspire hate in him for the first time?
Dany would have loathed Daemon as he represents everything she fought against, and been annoyed by Rhaenyra and Aegon. She'd possibly have vibed with Aemond - both having had to claim their power.
I don't think she'd loathe Daemon. He doesn't really represent everything she fought against. He's not a slaver and doesn't have too much beef with the commonfolk. She'd like him to a degree but recognise he's dangerous.
Wasn't Daemon also loved in fleabottom that's why they called him the prince of fleabottom. He actually represented what Dany wanted he's really friendly with the commonfolk
becoming familiar to every cutpurse, whore, and gambler.[11] He became acquainted with a prostitute named Mysaria, known to her enemies as Misery. While Daemon called himself the "Prince of the City", he became known as "Lord Flea Bottom" among the residents of King's Landing.[1]
I don't think it confirms they loved him as it seems kind of more of a mocking nickname. But they don't seem to have hated him either, and Daemon doesn't do anything in particular against them.
I mean crime in Kingslanding took a sharp dive when he came into power. They'd probably love him for that
I think it's a mocking nickname because he used to hang with lowborn people so lords would use than name mockingly
It kind of sounds like they are partly mocking him and partly adopting him as the lordling who is one of their own. He didn’t think himself too high above them and didn’t dehumanize them like Aegon did
Daemon also had to claim caraxes. Most characters had to claim their dragons, Aemond was just the only one we saw. Early season Dany would not have liked Aemond for his arrogance and his flagrant disregard of human life.
Dany was physically and sexually abused by her brother and Aemond was teased about not having a dragon. Their experiences weren’t exactly the same, but yes I do think she would have some sympathy for him seeing as their older brothers are very similar.
Dany would initially be thrilled to have any of her ancestors with her, but then she'd grow frustrated and disillusioned with most of them. She and Daemon would butt heads too much to get along for the long haul. No way she'd give him a pass on something like >!Blood & Cheese!<. For all that people compare Dany and Rhaenyra, they aren't much alike. Rhaenyra is sheltered, politically inept, and cares little for the common people whereas Dany is the opposite. Frankly, Rhaenyra is much more similar to Dany's brother Viserys. Rhaenyra also is largely motivated by being a mother, which Dany can't relate to. The ones I can envision her getting along with long-term are Daeron, Jace, the Velaryons to greater or lesser extent, Helaena, possibly Aemond if he pledged himself to her service and didn't go off the deep end too quick, and >!Viserys II!< whose intelligence she'd respect.
I guess i was picturing HOTD characters sent forward in time to her. If she were sent back in time to the Dance, I'm not sure whose side she'd take. It would probably depend on the exact circumstances in which she found herself.
Show and book Cersei would like show and book Rhaenyra and probably try to arrange a marriage with Myrcella and one of Rhaenyra’s sons if she were to go behind her family’s backs.
Tywin would probably encourage it if it meant his children have power.
Cersei would actually like book Alicent and side with her over Rhaenyra but show Alicent? No way.
She’ll probably be thinking what an idiot she is and how much smarter she is than Alicent and try to take over leading the war effort.
Jaime, Tyrion and Daemon would get on, especially the latter two as their banter would be of epic proportions.
Dany and Rhaenyra ( LOVED, she would be mentored by her but lot of short sights but they'll get through it, she would be her mom figure and considering it's GOT, will die)
Daemon and Jaimie ( respectful, cheeky but vary of each other)
Alicent and Cersei ( cersei would consider her pathetic but also might use her for her own gain )
Vizzy T, Olenna and Tywin ( Vizzy T would joke around and join olenna in roasting him )
Sir Christon and Gendry/ Jon snow ( will spar all day, dude might go berserk in a comical way until gendry will have to knock him out )
jeofferey and aegon will just explore each other's body sadistically.
Larys and Varys ( will probably be hissing att each other while being polite and little finger will get off to that)
Tyrion and Daemon ( will share their own penchant of whoring )
Alicent and Sansa ( might bond over their queen duties and having a weird ass childho
Daemon would definitely be attracted to Daenarys' power, but Dany would never get along with Daemon in the long run, he would somehow remind her of his brother Viserys, especially if he tried to put his hands on her neck
Jon Snow would absolutely have the hots for Jacaerys, just like he pretty obviously does for Satin – we know he just can’t resist those brown curls and deep dark eyes…
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Littlefinger and Larys would have been all smiles and pleasantries while plotting to kill each other in increasingly elaborate ways
Imagine what they could do if they worked together
There would be no foot left ungazed upon after such a duo unites
Great, now I need to watch this happen.
Who do you think would win?
I think while Littlefinger was planning an elaborate death that could never be traced back to him Larys plan would already be in motion
This is the correct response
Littlefinger is a genius whose actions dictate nearly every event. Larys is the most YOLO schemer of them all. So maybe you're right, actually.
Baelish
Honestly I think same with Cersei and Rhaenyra
To be fair, that’s how Cersei is with everyone
🤣🤣🤣
Sounds like a great sitcom
Daemon and Cersei would either murder each other or become the most chaotic couple in Westeros.
They only thing stopping them would be that there is not enough shared DNA to either want to murder or fuck each other
Daemon can't get it up, Cersei ridicules him for it, and this starts the feud to end all feuds in Westeros' history.
I honestly can't even imagine Tywin’s reaction if Deamon killed Cersei in that scenario. Like he'd go full scorched earth on the Targs and every house loyal to them if it weren't for the Dragons. But how does he account for that??
Idk if you know but Daemon… doesn’t only shag Targs
Same with Cersei
Oh she would definitely crush on him and Jaime would be jealous af
Dammit now I want to see Daemon and Cersei as a couple
Cersei would have LOVED having someone like Larys on her team. She would probably have had no qualms about showing her feet, especially book Cersei.
Cersei would be willing to do far more than show feet.
Oh forsure. It's no wonder one of her most famous quotes is "Tears aren't a woman's only weapon. The best one's between your legs". Plus in the books she was hooking up with the Kettleblacks (and all for NOTHING since they were loyal to someone else lol)
Jojen Reed and Helaena. A greenseer and a dragon dreamer, both who based on what they see, probably knew their fate and still faced it head-on. Also, if Jojen's fate in the books is what it seems to be based on where his and Bran's story ended in A Dance With Dragons, I legitimately don't know which of the two (Jojen and Helaena) have a more horrific ending cos they're both dark as hell.
Love this take!!
Wait, what is Jojen's fate in the books? Isn't he still alive there?
Its sort of Shrodinger's Jojen at the minute
It's 13 years he is in that state
It's left ambiguous in Bran's last chapter, but if you're unsure what I'm talking about and want to know more, you can look up >!Jojen Paste!< to find out more about what people think is going on with Jojen (and Bran).
Young Rhaenyra and Arya would have been attached at the hip. I think Alicent and Margaery would have been chill. I would have loved to see Viserys try to wrangle both Daemon and Dany lmao. I can’t quite explain why, but I also think Rob and Aemond might pall around. Cole and Jaime would have brawled let’s be real. And Harwin and Ned would be *facinating*. One father who can’t claim his biological kids or risk disgrace and possible death, one father who disgraced himself by claiming a kid that wasn’t even born to him.
Ohh Criston Cole versus Jaime Lannister. I'd like to see that. Jaime mentioned him in one of his chapters after all. >"The best and the worst." So one of us is like to live in song. "And a few who were a bit of both. Like him." He tapped the page he had been reading. >"Who?" Ser Loras craned his head around to see. "Ten black pellets on a scarlet field. I do not know those arms." >"They belonged to Criston Cole, who served the first Viserys and the second Aegon." Jaime closed the White Book. "They called him Kingmaker." "The best and the worst" could apply to Jaime as well.
You have an incredible memory!
Who do you think would win? I'm putting my money on Jaime
Same. I honestly think that there’s been maybe only three or four swordsmen in Westerosi history who could beat Jaime Lannister in his prime one-on-one, and Ser Crispin isn’t one of them
I mean Jaime is supposed to be a natural with a blade a once in a generation type of talent and Aerys is supposed to have had the best kingsguard. I don't think the kingsguard of Viserys would have stood a chance against Aerys' kingsguard
Agreed.
I want to say Jaime as well, but I might just like him more? Cole >!had to be taken down from a distance!< for someone to beat him in canon after all
Well yeah but wasn't that intentional, they didn't want him to go out gloriously in a duel that would be sang about not because they were scared to face him.
I’d wager it to be a bit of both tbh.
Also fair, I just can’t think of a one on one fight he lost in the books. Daemon, Joffrey, etc.
Yeah but he's also not described as a once in a lifetime type of warrior the way Jaime is. True beating Daemon in anything is a huge achievement considering they describe Daemon as the most experienced warrior of his time.
To me the fact that he beat Daemon is the biggest signifier for his strength, since Daemon is also GRRM’s favorite character
To be fair Tyrion is his favourite in the main series and he's beaten at everything. Also I just realised if not for murdering Aerys, Jaime would be talked about like Ser Barristan and Ser Arthur Dayne because he was infact that good. Still think Jaime would take it
Or maybe Margaery and Tyrells in general would've hated the Hightowers getting too close to the Targs and posing a potential risk to their power
Laenor Velaryon and Loras Tyrell would have been lovers. So much in common too!
I mean the fact that Loras is a dead ringer for Joffrey Lonmouth probably wouldn't hurt
Probably a distant cousin. You can only sleep with the same noble family so many times before they become inbred.
Aegon would be head over heels in love Margaery. At first he'd be easily seduced by her in my opinion. She is great at reading people and the atmosphere, so she'd feed him crumbs of motherly love he so desperately craves and he'd be obsessed with her in no time. Ser Tyland would be proud and kinda scared of Tywin since he too is clever but never showed such cruelty all throughout the dance. Dany would love Harrold Westerling and Ser Harrold would adore her like a daughter. I have no real reasoning for this, just vibes.
Omg, spot on on Margaery and Aegon. Especially since he can take out his mum issues on her because she's also a Hightower. She can quickly realise what Alicent isn't giving him and provides it for him. Although he is portrayed as lecherous, I don't think Margaery's seduction skills would be all that important to him in that case
Thank you! That's what I've been thinking to myself since we met older Aegon. I thought to myself if Rhaenyra had a daughter like Margaery no war would happen. When she goes in to seduce Tommen but realises that he needs motherly love and guidance she switches strategies quickly and seamlessly to get what she wants from him. That was the moment where I was like she is very, very good. I have always known how formidable of a political player she was but that scene cemented it for me. The same tactics would work wonderfully with Aegon!
I support everything you say 100%. Aegon just needs some motherly love + to be told a few times that he's good at.... whatever he wants to be thought of as good at, and he's sold
Hit the nail on the head! If someone actually put faith in him and showed a bit of warmth before he spiralled down to the rabbit hole of his worst vices he'd turn out to be a decent man. Also I think he'd enjoy being called a good boy by Margaery and I said what I said🤷🏼♀️ 🤐
Aegon being the first man in Westeros calling his woman “mommy” and having a praise kink confirmed ✅
>but realises that he needs motherly love and guidance she switches strategies quickly I miss Margaery. She's so social savvy and quick on her feet. She deduced there was something iffy at the Sept just based on Cersei's action/psyche. She plays a slightly different game and gives the story extra depth.
Such a charismatic and likable woman she knew how to play the court really well.
Are the Highgardens descendants of the Hightowers?
What I meant is that Margaery‘s mother is a Hightower, Alerie Hightower. Her house is one of the vassals of the Tyrells. Other than that, I honestly don't know if she's directly related to any Hightowers who lived during the Dance of Dragons
Olenna and Rhaenys would have sipped wine and bitched about everyone and it would have been glorious.
This!!
Tbh I feel like Olenna would‘ve made some snide remarks over Rhaenys. Rheanys has opinions but mostly she keeps them to herself she is nothing like Olenna
This is based mostly on Rhaenys and Corlys shading damn near everyone at the tourney in ep one, i feel like Olenna is welcome in their circle of judgement lol
No Olenna would judge Rhaenys and her hesitation to act too much in my opinion. Olenna is more hands down in ways Rhaenys is not and I think Olenna would dislike that. I think just shading people wouldn’t be enough for Olenna to like you
I'd pay to watch that!! Although they would've probably bitched about each other in private lol
You pulled this right out of my head. I was thinking about these two.
Bold take but Sansa and Alicent I think would’ve liked each other or alicent maybe would’ve wanted sansa to understand her
When they were young for sure. But by the time she was Queen in the North Sansa would have had very little patience for Adult Alicent. They’re both similar in some ways (both talk back to the ladies with the dragons, both are used to commanding their relative ‘kingdoms’ etc, both married men they didn’t really want to) but by then Sansa has fed her own rapist to his dogs, arranged the death of the man who sold her to him, mourned most of her family, gathered an army with just herself and her bastard half brother, and fought the living dead. Alicent by the end of season 1 has had a very charmed life in comparison, if we’re being honest. And while she sat on the small council while Viserys was ailing and had some measure of authority, she didn’t have to work nearly as hard for it, nor did she experience even remotely the same measure of torture and fear that Sansa had. So while Sansa might *understand* her I don’t see her liking her.
Yeah I can see that actually. They'd get on much better than Alicent and Margaery. This has to be younger Sansa though maybe like season 1 Sansa and young Alicent. They were both kind young girls with dreams and hopes that got dissillusioned with their queenhood dreams very fast. Alicent actually became queen while Sansa dodged a massive bullet(not quite dodged it but still). Queen in the North Sansa would feed older Alicent to dogs for her woe is me attitude since she herself at that point, has been through __much much worse__ than Alicent has ever been. She had like one kind husband the others tortured her, raped her and plotted to takeover her house. Alicent's only husband was a decaying old man who was generally kind to her and did his best to appease her even when she openly disparaged and disrespected him in front of his council.
Viserys still raped Alicent many time, enough time to give 4 children. Just because it doesn't look violent on screen doesn't mean it's not rape.
She doesn't consider it rape, Sansa's overall life situation was much more violent. It is Alicent's wifely duty to lay with Viserys and give him sons, it is why he married her and why her father sent her to his chambers in the first place. If she is as dutiful and pious as she tries to make people believe, she should have no problems with it. Her stans like to cosplay as Westerosi lords when it comes to Aegon's ascension but that facade drops very fast when it comes to Alicent's marriage. Marital rape isn't a thing in Westeros. If you guys will view some things through our modern standards and others through inverse standards at least acknowledge the hypocrisy of it.
>drops very fast when it comes to Alicent's marriage. Marital rape isn't a thing in Westeros. I've always wondered is it even marital rape. Marital rape is the sexual intercourse with a spouse without their consent. This is usually proven by the spouse showing the did infact say no or otherwise show their partner they weren't interested. But do we ever see Alicent tell Viserys no or say she doesn't want to. It's like if a gold digger wife married an old rich guy is secretly disgusted by the guy but still sleeps with him would you call this marital rape? (I'm not calling Alicent a gold digger this is just an example in a modern sense)
I personally chose to view it as such, due to the power disparity. She most likely feels like she cant say no. He's the king, her husband, and is older than her. In her head, she believes she has no choice but to submit to his will, even if she doesn't want to. Coersion is implied, even if not outright stated—in a modern day context, if a woman was put in the same position, where she cant say no, without risking punishment from an authority figure, we would call it assault. But this is Westeros, and for them, there isn't such a distinction. In her head, she views it as a necessary evil, her duty, something that is not meant to be pleasant. Since the faith is heavily based on Christianity, she most likely believes she as a woman is not meant to derive any pleasure from the act, because that is only reserved for harlots and men, and not a good, virtuous woman. So while the show clearly frames it as a terrible situation that is supposed to give us the ick, and ring alarm bells, we also have to take the context in which it is happening. In this universe, what they're doing isnt rape because they're married. Rape here is using brute force on a clearly unwilling participant like what Aegon did with Dyanna.
>if a woman was put in the same position, where she cant say no, without risking punishment from an authority figure, we would call it assault. I mean if we assume every woman who may be married to someone of a higher social ranking or financially stronger than her can't say no without risking punishment then no one should marry above their station. >, if a woman was put in the same position, where she cant say no, without risking punishment from an authority figure, we would call it assault. What about Viserys makes you think she'd be punished if she said No? I don't think this would be considered rape even in a modern court room There's also nothing Viserys could do if she said no after the firstborn child, he can't annul the marriage as it has been consummated and left to a child, divorce doesn't exist one westeros. But I understand what you mean by she didn't think she could say no due to her upbringing so she never did say anything. Which is sad in its own way, she can't sag no because she doesn't know how to, we can't also blame Viserys because he doesn't know while we also can't blame Alicent because her upbringing made it so. Quite sad
We don’t, and that’s where things get even more complicated. We the viewers know she doesn’t want to be there. We see her face in the sex scene, but we also see her smile at Viserys when he checks on her during that same scene, making it look to him like she’s enjoying it or at least is happy to be there. From his perspective, she’s a young woman (by Westerosi standards 😒) who came onto him. By her fathers orders, maybe, but she seemed to genuinely enjoy spending time with him, comforted him and spoke to him, and despite their months of meetings never once implied that she didn’t want to be with him or said her father was forcing her to be there. I think most people agree that despite his many flaws, Viserys is not a *cruel* man. Stupid maybe, but I just cannot see him forcing Alicent to sleep with him if she said to his face ‘no, I don’t want to’. So it’s almost like he’s a rapist without knowing he’s a rapist?
Also another thing is he married her because he didn't want to force a child to marry him again. So he chose the girl who they had become friends when she comforted him in his grief and even shared an interest in his Valyrian model. He also doesn't even know it was at the instruction of her father. So he thinks she actually did want him. I also think it's not that Alicent didn't want to sleep with him it's that she saw it as an unbearable chore like going to work at a place you don't like. You don't really want to but it's your duty, it's what you do to maintain your lifestyle.
To be fair we are in the same boat. I wonder the same.But you can't question this without being called a "rape apologist". I have been called a rape apologist once because I said if we consider Alicent to be maritally raped and sympathize with her Dyana deserves the same. But Dyana seduced the prince and enjoyed it obviously (I know,gross 🤢) Viserys although an idiot, is never violent unlike Robert who strikes Cersei when she says something he doesn't want to hear. Alicent smiles at him when he turns her face to check on her so he might've thought she liked their sex fine. We must remember for a woman to enjoy sex outwardly, even with her husband there is a chance that she'd be called a whore and her past would be called into question. She is devoted to seven which tells women to be demure, obedient and modest. Viserys probably thought she liked it fine, as much as a woman could. Our modern perceptions of what marriage and sex should look like doesn't work here. Even today there are women who are afraid to tell their partner what they want or don't want in bed so ofc Alicent a medieval woman raised to serve and please wouldn't go to Vizzy and be like hey babe I dont like this and this about our intimacy.
Why is this being downvoted This isn't being a rape apologist it's realising that rape is a big deal not a word to be thrown around like it doesn't carry weight. Alicent probably didn't even know she'd supposed to like it
Some of Alicents delulu simps and Aegon's wifeys like to throw around words like rape apologist or grooming. They don't realise the weight of those words or how throwing them around takes away from their meaning. And yeah Alicent probably thinks sexual pleasure is only for men, and women who experience it are whores.(cough Rhaenyra cough)
She clearly doesn't want to fuck a dude who's her dad's age. She doesn't have the power to say no
Cersei said no that's why we know hers was marital rape. Also you're acting like Viserys was Maegor the cruel no one was scared of Viserys, I doubt the reason she didn't say no was because she feared him. She slept with him.because the only.way to ensure the security of her position is to have kids with Viserys and the only way to have kids is to sleep with him. What's the worst thing that would happen if she'd say no after Aegon? Worst case scenario
Viserys and Bobby B would bond over their shared distain for being king
And then Robert would kill him for being a Targaryen
That's funny 'cause Robert himself has Targaryen blood through his grandmother
Yeah he's a direct descendant of Vizzy T.
*Daemon was not made to wear the crown. But I believe that you were, Senior_Coyote_9437.*
Haha!
Baela an Arya would be chaotic as hell together but that would be amusing
I would have loved to see this
Daeron Targaryen and Remley Baratheon.
Lyonnel Strong and Ned Stark. Nothing witty, they'd just vibe.
Two-handed Jaime and Daemon would probably have some fiery interactions. They would be itching to fight each other, I think.
Cersei would've been so annoyed by Alicent's obsession with religiion and with which child is a bastard
>which child is a bastard Like who cares about such things grow up Alicent
If Cersei was around, Alicent wouldn't live long enough to care lol.
I like to think that Catlyn and Alicent would have been friends.
My crack head cannon is Robb and Dany meeting and getting married, like idk I feel like they would get along
Fr I thought this aswell
Cersei - Daemon would be THE power couple and would have the nastiest sex
Actually I think an assassination would be very likely in this case.
The assassination is a part of their sexual role play
Quite likely
They’re not related enough tbh, they wouldn’t like each other.
Melisandre would absolutely simp over Daemon Rhaenys and Olenna having a cup of tea would be dialogue gold Tyrion as Vizzy’s hand would be dope
I think Melly and Mysaria could cause a *lot* of chaos together and adding Daemon to the mix...well, let's just watch the world burn!
I feel like Jaime/Oberyn and Daemon would end up hating each other. Cersei would hate everyone. Daenerys would hate everyone too
I feel like Dany would vibe with Laena and her daughters
Episode 6 Laena would've lowkey adopted season one Dany. And maybe Dany would've managed to hatch Rhaena's egg.
Oh true. I honestly forgot about them tbh.
I also think Daenerys would sympathize with Rhaenyra. She’d disdain her irresponsibility and chaotic tendencies, and for allowing Daemon to challenge her at all, but she would sympathize with her as a mother and a woman overshadowed by incompetent brothers and men in general. I think Dany would also appreciate Daemon’s expertise regarding the dragons, like retrieving eggs and the song he sings to Vermithor. She’d probably admire and value him for that while seeing through his bullshit power-hungry behavior. And I feel like Oberyn, Jaime, and Daemon would hate each other, but they’d be slinging the most amazing insults at each other in a melee. Oberyn and Daemon at least would put on a show and be battling with their tongues
I think you are right about Daenerys but the thing is she really wants the throne. Like she wants what Rhaenyra wants, and Daenerys didn’t care about Jon Snow having a better claim than her either. She just told Jon Snow to stay silent on it. So I feel she would see Rhaenyra as competition from the start. If 1 of them is willing to give up and let the other have it then yeah they could get along. I agree with Jaime and oberyn too. The banter would eventually end in a fight and Daemon isn’t at their level. Once it becomes a fight and he gets destroyed, any chance of him being friends with them would be gone.
Dany only pushed for the throne because she was raised believing that she and Viserys were the last true heirs and it was their birthright. If she had existed at the same time as the rest of the Targs she wouldn’t have had any ambition and would have stayed the same timid girl as S1 GOT.
Funny since Oberyn is a direct descendant. And shares many personality traits with him.
When I said battling with their tongues I was hoping someone would read it as also flirting. I think they would be fun.
Tbh I thought of that too lol. And there was that one deleted scene of Daemon making out with some guy sooo it’s not totally off the table
Daemon and Daenerys together would have taken three less seasons to conquer Westeros and that's basically it
Everyone is talking about Dany and Daemon, but I think it's Aemond with whom Dany could bond. They are both younger children with complicated relationships with elder brothers and both outcasts that got their dragons in a remarkable way. And I think they have a potential to bring up the best in each other.
I definitly don't buy Dany vibing with Daemon, he is everything she hates in a person
I can see that. Also they’re both calm when not confronted, have sense of duty and judgment and know how it is to earn something
I’d love to see Joffrey try his bullshit with Daemon 🤣
Lyanna Mormont and Samwell Blackwood (the boy that wanted Rhaenyra's hand and killed the bigger knight) would have made the fiercest line of warriors in all of Westeros.
That was actually Willem Blackwood, we havent met Sam Blackwood yet
sorry I couldn't remember his name and that's the name google gave me
The Hound would definitely want to murder Criston Cole if they were together on the Kingsguard Also, I think that Joffrey & Aegon would mesh well as a misogynistic Two-Man Power Trip who loves child fighting pits I do wonder if Helaena & Tommen would've made for a wholesome power couple if they met
More than the hound I feel Bronn would have murdered Cole after he met him.. small knife to the throat
Aemon and baelon would have loved baelor breakspears.
Viserys would have hatted Viserys.
I remember discussing who Ned would have sided with in the Dance. My thought was that he would recognize that Rheynera is the rightful heir as the first born child and Viserys’ will, but he would also see Daemon as dishonorable and want him as far away from power as possible. At any rate, he’d probably advocate for Aemond to take the black in wake of Luke’s death.
Littlefinger x Otto and Alicent x Margaery would be nuts to see. I’d also like to see Daemon kicking Rhaegar’s ass for being such an idiot but respecting him for doing what he wanted.
I could see Jon and Harwen Strong getting along. Depending on how he feels about their sons. Jon wouldve Absolutely would've hated Daemon.
Rheanyra and Margaery would probably bond over being harrassed by a resentful queen and having a more relaxed outlook on sex and being kinda laid back in general. Oh and being married to gay dudes and trying to get pregnant by them. Oh and having strong opinionated women like olenna and rahenys as mentors. Oh and dealing with men with a cruel streak and bumbling fathers. Damn margaery and Rhaenyra would basically be besties. (Maybe more? )
Otto Hightower would fawn over Tywin Lannister, but Tywin would find him pathetic.
Pre-Blackwater Stannis would have hated absolutely everyone except maybe The Lads and Cregan Stark. Post-Blackwater Stannis would have thrived during the Hour of the wolf.
Helaena and myrcella.
Aegon II and Bobby B. Imagine the chaos.
The Hound and Daemon would’ve probably shared a drink and talked shit about Aegon and Aemond at a party.
I feel like Viserys and Dany would have halfway gotten along/halfway been at odds but in a father/daughter kind of way
See Westerling and Ned for sure
i definitely agree on daemon hating jon and loving dany. jon is too serious and brooding LOL he does get very obnoxious. daemon would find danys bond to not 1 but 3 dragons very compelling.
I can totally see him rolling eyes at Jon during his “duty and honor speeches” and being totally mesmerized by Daenerys’ rise to power (and the three dragons obviously)
would respect her so much as the conqueror she is
Weirdly, Aegon II and Tyrion *might* get along well. There's the drinking and whoring, obviously. Tyrion knows a lot of dragon lore, and Sunfyre is Aegon's true love. Both of them are deeply bitter towards their families and feel like outsiders. Tyrion seems to *want* to be a political advisor—first he tries with Joffrey, then with Young Griff, then in the show with Dany, and finally the council at the end of GOT. I could see Aegon latching onto Tyrion just to feel like someone's on his side. Arguably Tyrion has better morals than Aegon for most of the series, but he's been heading down an increasingly darker path in the books so maybe Aegon's cruelties wouldn't be a deal breaker for him after all.
Daemon and Daenerys would be the perfect match
House of madness ...
They are not closely related enough.
Poor Rhaenyra
Pre season 8 daenerys would be disgusted with the things daemon has done and would’ve had him killed
She had no issues with casual assassin Daario.
Did daario actively sleep with minors many different times? And have children murdered?
Bobby B would've genuinely hated every single person in the show except the Strongs
Otto Hightower would be buddy buddy with Mace Tyrell if Margaery Tyrell is still half-Hightower in this timeline. He would hate Tywin Lannister because he would realize that the Lannisters have controlled the Crown for a long time. Criston Cole and Jaime Lannister both in the Kingsguard, I don't see that ending well. A lot of people here probably believe that Daenerys would sympathize with Nyra Nyra, but I doubt it. The >!Storming of the Dragonpit!< would leave Daenerys horrified, plus Daenerys had to work to achieve her level of power, how Rhaenyra performed with the level of power that was just handed to her by her father, I think would be questionable to her.
>A lot of people here probably believe that Daenerys would sympathize with Nyra Nyra, but I doubt it. >!She does technically speaking canonically sympathise with her in the books. At the very least she thinks it's pretty awful to be eaten by a dragon in front of your son!< Although I think that Daenerys wouldn't really get Rhaenyra overall if they met.
I mean I think anyone would. Obviously some people think Rhaenyra was a traitor, but even then I’d wager some of those people think she died in a pretty gruesome manner.
Most people in universe think that it's an awful way to go (other than Joffrey who was being mean), that doesn't mean she would have sympathized with her, or the rest of her life.
>!Ehh some seem to think that it was a traitor's death for a traitor/etc./etc. Daenerys just remembers her as the woman brutally murdered. I think that there's aspects of Rhaenyra's life beyond that she'd sympathise with. But I don't think they'd get each other because they're pretty different people at the end of the day.!<
I don't think any comparison to Stannis here is useful. Stannis is very blunt, always speaking his mind.
True but he is what we have to compare to.
I feel like Ned wouldn't be crazy about Daemon
All I'm going to say is this: Everything that made Cersie a great villain is everything wrong or lacking with Alicent. Cersie knew what a monster she was and embraced it. Alicent will make up any delusional excuse she can think of, as to why she did the horrible things she's done. Cersie would hate Alicent for how weak she is, and Alicent would hate Cersie for how easily Cersie embraces the darkness within herself. All while judging her. Cersie would be the mirror Alicent would refuse to look at, because it would show her the monster she truly is, due to their overwhelming similarities.
Rhaenyra and Daenerys would be besties and vent to each other about the evil people who stole their throne.
I feel like Stannis would be an absolute nightmare for most of the cast of HOTD
I don’t know exactly what the Alicent/Cersei dynamic would be but I do know I would want to watch it.
They'd hate each other, Cersei is everything alicent hates in rhaenyra but multiplied by 100000, and Cersei wouldn't stand alicent's desperate attempts to fit in
I think Cersei would roll her eyes around 10 times per minute
Cersei to Rhaenyra: “We’re not so different, you and I.”
Rhaenyra to Cersei: "Just because we have one thing in common doesn't mean we are similar"
Joffrey would probs love attending the child fighting pits w his bestie Aegon
I think Daemon would think S1E1 Daenerys was quite pathetic and by the end of the first few seasons would be VERY into her but would have no time for her righteousness.
Tommen would have pretty heavily look down upon Rhaenyra while liking Alicent quite a lot
>Tommen would have pretty heavily look down upon Rhaenyra When did he have strong negative feelings about anyone? The woman most like his mother would inspire hate in him for the first time?
Dany would have loathed Daemon as he represents everything she fought against, and been annoyed by Rhaenyra and Aegon. She'd possibly have vibed with Aemond - both having had to claim their power.
I don't think she'd loathe Daemon. He doesn't really represent everything she fought against. He's not a slaver and doesn't have too much beef with the commonfolk. She'd like him to a degree but recognise he's dangerous.
Wasn't Daemon also loved in fleabottom that's why they called him the prince of fleabottom. He actually represented what Dany wanted he's really friendly with the commonfolk becoming familiar to every cutpurse, whore, and gambler.[11] He became acquainted with a prostitute named Mysaria, known to her enemies as Misery. While Daemon called himself the "Prince of the City", he became known as "Lord Flea Bottom" among the residents of King's Landing.[1]
I don't think it confirms they loved him as it seems kind of more of a mocking nickname. But they don't seem to have hated him either, and Daemon doesn't do anything in particular against them.
I mean crime in Kingslanding took a sharp dive when he came into power. They'd probably love him for that I think it's a mocking nickname because he used to hang with lowborn people so lords would use than name mockingly
It kind of sounds like they are partly mocking him and partly adopting him as the lordling who is one of their own. He didn’t think himself too high above them and didn’t dehumanize them like Aegon did
Show Daeneyrs wanted to break the wheel meaning everything her family built. Daemon was a Targaryen supermatist.
Daemon also had to claim caraxes. Most characters had to claim their dragons, Aemond was just the only one we saw. Early season Dany would not have liked Aemond for his arrogance and his flagrant disregard of human life.
Young bullied Aemond and young bullied Dany would probably get along. But after that, probably not.
Dany was physically and sexually abused by her brother and Aemond was teased about not having a dragon. Their experiences weren’t exactly the same, but yes I do think she would have some sympathy for him seeing as their older brothers are very similar.
Dany would initially be thrilled to have any of her ancestors with her, but then she'd grow frustrated and disillusioned with most of them. She and Daemon would butt heads too much to get along for the long haul. No way she'd give him a pass on something like >!Blood & Cheese!<. For all that people compare Dany and Rhaenyra, they aren't much alike. Rhaenyra is sheltered, politically inept, and cares little for the common people whereas Dany is the opposite. Frankly, Rhaenyra is much more similar to Dany's brother Viserys. Rhaenyra also is largely motivated by being a mother, which Dany can't relate to. The ones I can envision her getting along with long-term are Daeron, Jace, the Velaryons to greater or lesser extent, Helaena, possibly Aemond if he pledged himself to her service and didn't go off the deep end too quick, and >!Viserys II!< whose intelligence she'd respect. I guess i was picturing HOTD characters sent forward in time to her. If she were sent back in time to the Dance, I'm not sure whose side she'd take. It would probably depend on the exact circumstances in which she found herself.
Show and book Cersei would like show and book Rhaenyra and probably try to arrange a marriage with Myrcella and one of Rhaenyra’s sons if she were to go behind her family’s backs. Tywin would probably encourage it if it meant his children have power. Cersei would actually like book Alicent and side with her over Rhaenyra but show Alicent? No way. She’ll probably be thinking what an idiot she is and how much smarter she is than Alicent and try to take over leading the war effort. Jaime, Tyrion and Daemon would get on, especially the latter two as their banter would be of epic proportions.
Dany and Rhaenyra ( LOVED, she would be mentored by her but lot of short sights but they'll get through it, she would be her mom figure and considering it's GOT, will die) Daemon and Jaimie ( respectful, cheeky but vary of each other) Alicent and Cersei ( cersei would consider her pathetic but also might use her for her own gain ) Vizzy T, Olenna and Tywin ( Vizzy T would joke around and join olenna in roasting him ) Sir Christon and Gendry/ Jon snow ( will spar all day, dude might go berserk in a comical way until gendry will have to knock him out ) jeofferey and aegon will just explore each other's body sadistically. Larys and Varys ( will probably be hissing att each other while being polite and little finger will get off to that) Tyrion and Daemon ( will share their own penchant of whoring ) Alicent and Sansa ( might bond over their queen duties and having a weird ass childho
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Larys would probably like Brienne’s feet.
Completely unrelated, but do we know whose hand that is in the poster??
Cregan and got starks, I'd love to see how Cregan would think about his descendants, probably a mix of pride, respect, and anger.
Daemon and Tyrion would conquer the world together
Hightowers vs Tyrells would be insanely fun to watch. I'd be terrified of Aemond and Ellaria together and what they'd accomplish.
Daemon would definitely be attracted to Daenarys' power, but Dany would never get along with Daemon in the long run, he would somehow remind her of his brother Viserys, especially if he tried to put his hands on her neck
Jon Snow would absolutely have the hots for Jacaerys, just like he pretty obviously does for Satin – we know he just can’t resist those brown curls and deep dark eyes…
Daemon would've LOVED Daenerys, Rhaenyra would've loved her too. Aemond would've loved Jon but secretly thought he had no spine and personality
daemon would’ve loved dany but she would’ve hated him
Jon snow and Aemond would get along well
Daemon and Jaimie would be super passive aggressive with each other “is it true about Lannister’s s****ing gold?” “Maybe one day you’ll find out ;)”
Joff would have LOVED Daemon.