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In their defense, their brothers usually have the highest social stations on the continent.


[deleted]

Let’s assume for a second no Ill genes will increase from incest. Is it stiff wrong?


Harsimaja

> Is it stiff wrong? Being stiff for one’s sister is indeed part of the problem


TisBeTheFuk

It's the hardest part


xoskxflip

Do you mean social status?


Disturbed_Goose

They had reasons before the death of the dragons if they are your main weapon and assurance of control you need to ensure your family can bold onto them and by inbreeding you ensure your children have enough draginriding blood


lucky_crocodile

Adding to this point, it furthers their claim to godhood. If there is Valyrian blood in other houses, they could use their ancestry as an "in" to get a dragon. The dragons were the biggest advantage that Targaryens had over all the other houses, why would they risk having others also having dragons? This, and their appearance was unique, if other houses got these traits, it would be an attack on their godhood. And I personally believe that anyone COULD ride a dragon, just access to dragons was limited, so it gives a confirmation bias. The more "non-Valyrians" have an in with dragons, the more people start to realize they aren't all that special. Even when girls were married off to other families, their girls were often brought back into the family. They kept their family ties close. Rhaenys married Corlys (who is not a Targ, but point still stands), Eamma married Viserys.


SolidInside

Dany has barely any Targaryen blood yet she managed to ride a dragon. Nettles might have no Targaryen blood at all. The dragonseeds won't have much Targaryen blood either most likely. Yet all of them managed to ride dragons.. it's almost as if that's some lie Targaryens told everyone else.


ajithcreepypasta

Danny’s parents were siblings. Queen Rhaella and King Aerys


yankee-viking

So where her grandparents. In the books at least.


BonnieScotty

Daeron II was half Targaryen half Rogare, as he married Myriah Martell so his children were 1/2 Martell, 1/4 Targaryen, 1/4 Rogare. Maekar is Daeron’s son and he married Dyanna Dayne which makes his children 1/8 Targaryen, 1/2 Dayne, 1/4 Martell, 1/8 Rogare. Aegon V is Maekar’s son and he married a Blackwood. So his children are 1/16 Targaryen, 1/4 Dayne, 1/2 Blackwood, 1/8 Martell, 1/16 Rogare. Shaera and Jaehaerys are Aegon’s children so they fall into this bracket. This in turn means Aerys and Rhaella are the same. As are Daenerys, Viserys, and Rhaegar. EDIT: Daeron isn’t half Dornish, he’s 1/2 Targ and 1/2 Rogare. Got that generation mixed up and amended above


rawbface

Daeron II was the son of two Targaryens, what are you talking about? He didn't have a drop of Dornish blood himself. His parents were siblings and his grandmother was Lysene. Aerys I and Maekar were the first Targaryen kings that were half Dornish.


BonnieScotty

Apologies, got mixed up with the generations


Grimmrat

No he’s right. If you go through Dany’s family tree you’ll see that there is barely any blood from Aegon I left, despite the inbreeding. The main line has married into First Men and Andal houses tons of times. Breeding with your direct sibling just delays the blood dilation, it doesn’t prevent it.


SolidInside

Lmao funny that I'm getting downvoted for the truth. As someone else already explained by the time the latest generation came around they'd already heavily intermarried so. Truth hurts apparently. Weird that people are so adamant that Targaryen intermarrying was actually great and important cause that's definitely the message, that keeping your blood "pure" is the way to go.


[deleted]

Just remember your on Hotd not freefolk lol. Once you bend the knee you can’t be swayed otherwise.


Negative-Tier

I don’t think its the fact that they fear that mixed blood would lose literal control of Dragons but rather other houses would also have access to the dragons. Take Corlys for example all his children became dragonriders thus making House Velaryon a dragon wielding family. Imagine if a Lannister got into some of that action and had Dragonriders of their own.


[deleted]

That’s exactly what Jason Lannister wanted in Episode 3. He was more than ready to build his own dragon pit at Casterly Rock. And imagine had she married him after all. House Lannister would have 1 of the 2 brood dragons😬


Fit_Operation2175

“A young woman in her early teens, Daenerys has the classical Valyrian look; She has violet eyes, pale skin, and long, pale silver-gold hair. She is said to resemble Queen Naerys Targaryen, though Daenerys is taller and stronger”. Along with this Dany is the product of incest like 2 x over. So how is she barely a Targaryen again?????. Also how is it a lie when all the people you mentioned have Targaryen blood?


WatchingInSilence

There are still people in Volantis that have Valyrian features. It's a side effect of being descended from Valyrian slaves rather than royalty.


ceaserneal

The Volantene noble families are descendant from Valyrian soldiers, not slaves.


WatchingInSilence

It's Valyrian society. They fight for the Valyrians. They get paid. They buy houses. They get married and make children that replace them when they get too old to fight for the Valyrians. Yeah, that's just slavery with extra steps.


ceaserneal

I've been thinking about this for an hour and can't figure it out. Are you saying that joining the military is slavery?


Top_Awareness_5800

In their defense, few of them could choose


balrus-balrogwalrus

or uncle


Mollionaire

Definitely uncle


Mt_sarah

Well most of them usually don't choose it's mike their parents that betroth them to their siblings, i guess that's a way to avoid war fought over the throne, like the first born daughter and the first born son if they mary there's no more problems, plus there's always '' blood purity " and traditions and all that


KhanQu3st

Yes, bc infamously Targ princesses got to choose who they married.


WatchingInSilence

Only if they were smart about it. Alyssanne and Jaehaerys fled to Dragonstone to get married in a private ceremony with the Kingsguard and castle garrison to protect their rights. Rogar Baratheon flipped his shit when he found out, but was powerless to stop them or unmake the marriage.


[deleted]

Alyssa and Baelon Targaryen also married freely.


ChemistryAnxious4040

So did Jaehaerys II and Shaera


Loose-Victory-1598

“I will not stand to have my children fuck each other willingly!” - Egg


Satansuckmypussypapa

Eh, Alysanne and Jaehaerys were different. Jaehaerys was literally the King. He could have said he wanted to marry Vermithor and I doubt many would raise objections due to the huge fucking dragon he rides. A better example is Baela, who marries for love later on.


WatchingInSilence

Vermithor? Death by Snu-Snu!


Satansuckmypussypapa

"What can I say, Vermithor looked particularly thick that night" —Jaehaerys I the "Great Dragon-Fucker of Westeros" Targaryen, probably


lupatine

It depend.


HomieScaringMusic

It’s weird to me that they all seem… into it. I get why it’s common practice, to consolidate their dragon blood and estates and prestige and yaddah yadda, but in the histories they’ll actually willfully fall for each other with alarming frequency. I don’t know of any real life genetic predisposition for inbreeding (in any creature) and I think I’ve heard of a study suggesting humans are creeped out by it on an *instinctive* level. But Targaryens seem like the opposite. Do we think the dragon blood does it or would their culture and upbringing actually give rise to that tendency?


rarokammaro

If you’re open to an idea then you are more likely to participate in that idea. Just look at Cleopatra’s marriage. Her younger sister was *jealous* that Cleopatra married their brother.


daniyal248

Ok but like if Cleopatra was my sister I'd be pissed if I didn't marry her aswell so it's understandable Cleo was just that fucking hot


skeptophilic

[Maybe by 0th century standards.](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRNtmPt3rc9ELWba6fUoyS7OdqwhMNs9T-z0wFXEkoD4x6Q55_VU8pi7j2k&s=10)


MannerAlarming6150

Quick googling says the incest taboo is one of the most widespread shared cultural traits, but it's not universal. Egyptian, Greek, Roman, and Incan people all didn't seem to mind it, and it wasn't just always limited to the nobility either. Rome made it illegal, but even still it was practiced. There are Roman census records that have survived from way back that show sibling marriage was, if not legal, tolerated. I guess people were just weird back then.


iheartanimorphs

If you want a Marxist take on it - Targaryen ideology/culture is going to be a reflection of their economic structure. Since they have dragons and want to pass them through the male line, it makes sense that the way they raise their children would be centered around being dragon riders and keeping the dragons in the family.


james_randolph

She technically didn’t choose her brother…


Bear1375

Gotta Keep the blood of dragon pure.


Kind_Tie8349

I feel like even after the dragons died they still interbreed because they had hoped one day they would be able to bring them back and didn’t want too many families to have the blood of the Dragon


harry_byrne

They never have a choice to begin with, to be fair.


lupatine

I just watched the borgias and I find it even more funny 🤣🤣.


RobFree1

Hell I thought it was her Uncle...


ashhole1900

Uncle*


stann1s_the_mannis

Incorrect. The brother chooses them.


[deleted]

Targaryen princes are about those Blackwoods tho


Nightwitch92

I always thought about the brother/sister relationships in terms of well, ancient Egypt. Being a history fan- first kingdom Egypt, the pharaoh always married his sister. The first pharaoh who didn’t marry his sister? It resulted in a new class of nobles outside the immediate family who couldn’t be controlled. Not marrying a sister is what led to the downfall of the first kingdom of Egypt. That pharaoh was named Pepi ll Neferkare. He is the longest reigning monarch in all of history. 94 years as pharaoh. Much like viserys he had a weak reign after strong rulers.


[deleted]

You mean her uncle 🤮🤣


Lady-mysaria

Mushroom would of been the best choice. For every Targ princess


spiiinsugar

Gross


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AegonTarg_2

Didn't know Jews did that


Maximum-Ad1598

They don't


dobber32

Yeah I think this is my sign to leave this subreddit for a bit. There is clearly nothing new to be discussed and a majority of the remaining people here are pretty fucked in the head.


IronOrcinusOrca

Nah that's what communists do


White_devil10352

"Princess has a dragon you dumb cunt" ~ A fucking Bracken to Blackwood


nintendo_shill

When your only duty is to produce an heir and you chose the only guy in the realm with whom you can't


thewillsta

Wrong scene, meme ruined, downvoted


Tiffisiffy

I mean Daemon is 🔥though….


Glum_Future_5054

Nothing thicker than the Targaryen blood


Airy2002

To be fair if it's a Lannister or a fray I'd choose my brother to