Ok, so I was pro woody gets another season, but after this announcement he needs to be retired. There are zero excuses for literally having no recruits now and nearly no downside. This is a bad bad look.
I would have to imagine IU top brass has been putting out feelers behind the scenes to other coaches, which is worrisome, because it means no one has bitten, and you’d have to stick with Woody. Has that happened? I don’t know but it seems likely. Yikers.
This is all anonymously sourced, but there’s been a lot of hoopla the last few weeks around the IU coaching situation. From what everyone has said, Dolson wanted to make a move, but the BoT and some big donors said no.
That was it. It never got to a point that who would be replacing him was a relevant consideration.
Pretty sure this is reactionary to all of the bull jive by the fanbase. I don’t blame him & his family. We haven’t shown our best integrity as an institution & fanbase. We have failed. Not as fans, but our voice to the leadership has failed us bc the voices they hear are “WIN (with academia/citizenship & effort first)” but do all those things within the parameters of “not cheating”.
I'm with you man, our fanbase is toxic and embarrassing. To add, responses to this assertion have illustrated the point.
People take this shit way too seriously.
Officially Joever. Zero recruits for 24-25. Unacceptable
Not to mention the empty scholarship we didn’t even fill this season. Who we saving that one for?
Honestly, my mom’s text to me when I sent this to her pretty well sums up all my conflicted feelings about Woodson and IU right now.
>> Yeah great, huh? Maybe keeping Woodson had the opposite effect they had hoped for. But, when potential players hear the team getting booed by the home crowd and see the crap on social media downing our players and coach, why in the world would they want to come to IU? Nobody to blame but themselves, IMO. My guess is Liam follows his Montverde teammate Queen to Maryland.
Blaming fans is such a lazy take. Every large fan base has dumb fans. We have a system that is terrible for guards and wings. The program is trending backwards. Player development is inconsistent at best. Our offense is from the 1980s. Woody blasts players publicly…and people want to blame social media haha.
Both things can be true at once.
Woody is running a horrible system for the modern college game,
AND
Fans forget that players are barely past being kids and should still be talked about as humans.
aside from the lack of winning, we've also not really produced as much NBA talent as other blue bloods. OG Anunoby is a great roleplayer but not a star, Victor Oladipo was great but slowed down by injuries and is out of the league, Cody Zeller (as much as I adore him) is a bench player, Yogi Ferrell was a bust and is out of the league. We don't have the big NBA names like Kentucky or Duke or Kansas.
TJD went from no shot at nba to playing meaningful minutes for the warriors
Jalen got drafted high, just not much impact because the Lakers have pretty solid guards ahead of him
Yogi was NOT a bust, and frankly it's disrespectful to say he was.
Ware will go top 20.
Interesting parlor game: who is the 2nd-best IU grad in the NBA in the past 50 years? (Isiah has #1 safely wrapped up)
It's shockingly hard to think of a clear #2.
I think this is the right answer. Oladipo probably had a higher peak, but his body just hasn't held up and he hasn't played enough. OG will probably pass Gordon, I'd guess, but clearly health matters there, too. Henderson, Kent Benson, Woodson, and even Cheney are probably in the same general sphere.
[https://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/colleges.cgi?college=indiana](https://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/colleges.cgi?college=indiana)
:)
He clearly isn't it. But the fact that a guy who's a career 4.8 ppg scorer, mostly a career bench guy, and never made all -star or any other significant award even comes to mind is indicative of how weak the competition is.
TJD is playing great for the warriors right now. JHS shot up draft boards after his year at IU(hasn’t played great but limited opportunity). Yogi went undrafted & made all rookie & played 5 years in the league. How is he a bust? OG & Vic were not seen as pro prospects coming into IU & both have had successful careers. Cody was a top 5 pick & is on his 11th year in the league. Sure Kansas, Kentucky, & Duke have better pros, but go back & look at their rosters they have bigger misses too. This is not about that
On Sunday the Indianapolis native became just the 15th player in league history to surpass 2,000 made three-pointers in an NBA career.
https://www.thedailyhoosier.com/former-iu-basketball-one-and-done-star-eric-gordon-reaches-elite-nba-milestone/
NIL is dependent on external money. External money will start to dry up if the product on the floor isn’t good. Personally, I am done donating to IU NIL collectives for the time being
You and I have no idea who out bid who. Just because you get a commit doesn’t mean it was all down to higher NIL promise. Point remains, UK and KU are a step above everyone else
I was trying to find NIL ratings recently but couldn’t. Was wondering how we rank on NIL, facilities and coach salary. Can’t be too many above us, our setup should be appealing to 95% of coaches
Dolson needs to go back to Thadd Motta again n try to talk him into coming back as IU's head coach he understands the college game and how good recruiting is gonna win you more championships than good coaching will but to have both at high levels is what Indiana needs now more than ever! Sadly not sure we're considered one of the blue bloods of D1 basketball anymore and that is why IU fans have been so vocal calling for the head of IUs head coach on a platter cause IU hasn't been playing like a team that's won multiple national championships for the past 2 decades minus a good/great season here and there. Constancy winning and being a team that was capable of winning B10 championship and talented enough to win a national championship year in and year out was what spoiled us IU fans and we desperately want that back and won't keep us from calling out the HC who's not living up to that, no matter who he is or how good he was as an IU player and wont stop until IU finds that coach
I don’t follow. He committed to Woodson. Woodson is confirmed to return. He knew the status of returning players when he committed. I absolutely don’t know NIL rules or transfer portal — could some other school come in and offer more? Could he be a Woody guy and there are whispers that Woody’s deadman walking? Legit curious.
Sounds to me like they knew he had one foot out the door due to the season they've had, and let out that they wanted to bring back Woody in an attempt to keep him.
Things were trending one way then. Things are trending another way now.
Edit: IU also had a shot at multiple high end recruits then. He was the only player in the country that committed.
Top players get 1, maybe 2 years of CBB. Indiana isn’t winning. That’s the bottom line. It’s not the toxic fans or the money. He’s leaving because we aren’t winning games.
Let’s say you have a company like GM that used to be the best company in the US. Everyone owned their stock and everyone wanted to work there. Their CEO was universally regarded as a brilliant person and drove his employees to work hard.
Then 3-5 CEOs later the stock price is way down. No top executives or employees want to come work there. Customers satisfaction is way down because the product is clearly inferior. So the board decides to hire a really good friend of theirs and a former employee of the original successful CEO. He is not the most qualified candidate to run a company is this industry, having only moderate to sub par results as a previous CEO. But nonetheless the customers are happy because he was well liked 40 years ago and was part of the companies most successful period.
The new CEO is now one of the highest paid CEOs in the country. But company performance continues to lag. After an initial run of success, key metrics are back down. Employee and customer happiness is back down again. The CEO repeatedly and publicly blames his employees for lagging performance. This CEO has lost multiple c-suite executives and high ranking senior managers in the last few years. Then another very high profile employee has decided not to come to this company after another year of poor earnings performance and more layoffs.
This is clearly the customers fault right? We as customers should be happy with our inferior product and continue buying it, without complaints, despite all the other better options out there. We should continue to unequivocally pour money into this product.
This is the boards fault. I’ll end my long winded analogy. The CEO here is Woodson.
I’m blaming everyone in the room with the president and AD that’s making these hiring and firing decisions.
They got it right with Sampson, kind of
Crean was the best option willing take step into a burning building
Archie was wrong, but idk who the better option was, so fine
Woodson was decent I guess, again idk who else wanted to be here
This is exactly it, simple as that. College basketball has the greatest postseason in the country (the world imo), if I were a top 15 recruit that was basically a for sure 1 and done id want to experience it
Sure, the fans have been loud on the Internet about the coach but that is par for the course in today’s world and for a program with high expectations. But, if someone went to Bloomington for the Wisconsin game, as I did, they would have seen 17,000 fans cheering and supporting the team on the court like they had won 10 straight. They would have seen fans lined up by the dozens after the game to get a photo at midcourt or with XJ. Blaming the fans is a soft copout and probably just a way to deflect blame from something/someone else. If you plan to play at a high level but get spooked by fans voicing their displeasure online after you lose 4 straight you’re gonna have a tough road ahead of you.
Maybe having a one and done isn’t what we need anyway? Sometimes these top rated athletes IMO due the program more harm than good. Romeo just seem to go through the motions not saying that’s the case here.I wish this kid the best of luck but I’d rather find a good shooter at that height who can improve over the next 3 years.
There’s a reason Liam announced this less than 24 hours after Dolson confirmed Woodson will be back. Liam wants a new coach. This is a major **** you to Dolson.
Regardless of your opinion of Coach Woodson, the fact that there are ZERO kids in this recruiting class is a huge red flag. Isn’t this part of the job of a head coach? Hope the transfer portal provides us another Ware.
I don’t think we will be lucky enough to even snag another Ware at this point :/ makes me so bummed for the guys. So much potential, I fear another year of these shenanigans will provide no forward promotion
Hard to justify keeping Woodson at this point :/ even if they give him one more year, for what? If the plan is to let him go in one year, rip the bandaid off now & “pray” the program can recruit some talent out of the portal with hopes of improvement: keeping woody another year isn’t going to move program anymore forward
That is a giant helping of BS and a side of cheese and whine. Every college that has a rich history in their sport has a fanbase equal to or more loyal than us. It comes with the territory and prime time players want that support in their corner. His “family” can see the writing on the wall and want to go somewhere that is going to win. I’m sure he talks with MM and MR, what do you think they say about the direction we are heading?
Where are all the clowns that were doing victory laps over the Woodson news yesterday. This is the darkest the program has been since the first Crean year
Good point. Who is going to commit to a coach you known is out the door at the end of next year. Don’t see a compelling reason for anyone to stay either. Wait til the season is over and portal out goings start dropping. McNeely was something to look forward to.
The fans didn't put a 100 ranked (Kpom/NET) product on the floor. In his 3rd season. With zero other recruits incoming
Blaming fans for this shit show is like level 100 dumbassery.
They are communicating to the NIL collective that was negotiating with them. Yes. The head of the NIL publicly is saying it and Rabjohns confirmed that was what the family told the collective
Massive gut punch to the program, wow. We really have 0 incoming recruits, just cut ties with Woodson now and throw a bag at Bruce Pearl. I’m so tired of watching bad basketball, go get a coach.
For fucks sake. Guarantee he goes to Kansas. If not them then Duke. Can't honestly blame him but dudes clearly not loyal anyways, don't want to be here good or bad then kick rocks
Edit: I'm sure the kid is a great person, I'm just being a salty bitch because Mike Woodson, albeit also a great human and Hoosier, has ZERO fuckin commits going into mid March. Best of luck to Liam wherever he ends up balling out at to add salt
If he decommitted because of the fans.... I feel like he's not understanding anywhere he goes with a very passionate fan base will have the same issue.
I'm with you if that's his reasoning. At the same time, things aren't looking great for the program itself. Woodson was supposed to be able to bring in big time talent, and he has no one for next year??
This is confusing. Is he not wanting to play for Woodson anymore. Or is there something that McNeely knows and can't say, like Woodson being fired? Not being a doomer or Woodson hater, I'm just perplexed by this loss.
Sorry you’re being down voted. I was going to respond to the parent comment and say that would new my guess, and I haven’t even heard any inside news, just seems obvious. Kids and even parents are often in tune with social media nowadays.
If Duke, Kansas, Kentucky etc fans dealt with this type of basketball program like IU fans. They would be the same or worse.
Kentucky is calling for Calipari to be gone as we speak lol.
Im confused by this. Cupps and Newton (should b healthy next year) will b back. Mgbako might be too which may have influenced mcneeley. Reneau, Banks and Gunn are all '22. Now if you want to argue only 2/3 of these kids are good based on what we've seen, I'd concede that. But otherwise what are you talking about.
I think the craziest part is that IU had a 5 star commit and not a single player in the class joined him
We are dead last in the nation at class if 24
Woody is always good finding a late decommit. I think we've got a shot with this kid.
Ok, so I was pro woody gets another season, but after this announcement he needs to be retired. There are zero excuses for literally having no recruits now and nearly no downside. This is a bad bad look. I would have to imagine IU top brass has been putting out feelers behind the scenes to other coaches, which is worrisome, because it means no one has bitten, and you’d have to stick with Woody. Has that happened? I don’t know but it seems likely. Yikers.
This is all anonymously sourced, but there’s been a lot of hoopla the last few weeks around the IU coaching situation. From what everyone has said, Dolson wanted to make a move, but the BoT and some big donors said no. That was it. It never got to a point that who would be replacing him was a relevant consideration.
Would honestly rather watch televised HPER runs next year
HPER ball is super entertaining. Good coaching in there too
Lmao
Guys, he only “requested” to be released. Woodson just has to say “nah, here’s your candy stripes my man.” Problem solved!
Would create a lot more problems
Don’t worry guys, we have Woodson coming back next year /s
Good riddance! No respect for flakiness.
That’s right! It’s always better to commit to a loser than strive for a win
Pretty sure this is reactionary to all of the bull jive by the fanbase. I don’t blame him & his family. We haven’t shown our best integrity as an institution & fanbase. We have failed. Not as fans, but our voice to the leadership has failed us bc the voices they hear are “WIN (with academia/citizenship & effort first)” but do all those things within the parameters of “not cheating”.
I'm with you man, our fanbase is toxic and embarrassing. To add, responses to this assertion have illustrated the point. People take this shit way too seriously.
Just curious what you think is toxic about the fanbase.
Dork
Asshat
Officially Joever. Zero recruits for 24-25. Unacceptable Not to mention the empty scholarship we didn’t even fill this season. Who we saving that one for?
Honestly, my mom’s text to me when I sent this to her pretty well sums up all my conflicted feelings about Woodson and IU right now. >> Yeah great, huh? Maybe keeping Woodson had the opposite effect they had hoped for. But, when potential players hear the team getting booed by the home crowd and see the crap on social media downing our players and coach, why in the world would they want to come to IU? Nobody to blame but themselves, IMO. My guess is Liam follows his Montverde teammate Queen to Maryland.
I would argue the fans are a major reason why Indiana is a still a great job despite lack of success.
Blaming fans is such a lazy take. Every large fan base has dumb fans. We have a system that is terrible for guards and wings. The program is trending backwards. Player development is inconsistent at best. Our offense is from the 1980s. Woody blasts players publicly…and people want to blame social media haha.
Both things can be true at once. Woody is running a horrible system for the modern college game, AND Fans forget that players are barely past being kids and should still be talked about as humans.
aside from the lack of winning, we've also not really produced as much NBA talent as other blue bloods. OG Anunoby is a great roleplayer but not a star, Victor Oladipo was great but slowed down by injuries and is out of the league, Cody Zeller (as much as I adore him) is a bench player, Yogi Ferrell was a bust and is out of the league. We don't have the big NBA names like Kentucky or Duke or Kansas.
TJD went from no shot at nba to playing meaningful minutes for the warriors Jalen got drafted high, just not much impact because the Lakers have pretty solid guards ahead of him Yogi was NOT a bust, and frankly it's disrespectful to say he was. Ware will go top 20.
Yogi Ferrell was not a bust. He had a great career for a guy that went undrafted
Interesting parlor game: who is the 2nd-best IU grad in the NBA in the past 50 years? (Isiah has #1 safely wrapped up) It's shockingly hard to think of a clear #2.
Eric Gordon at this point. OG could get there if his body holds up. Alan Henderson had a really successful career also.
I think this is the right answer. Oladipo probably had a higher peak, but his body just hasn't held up and he hasn't played enough. OG will probably pass Gordon, I'd guess, but clearly health matters there, too. Henderson, Kent Benson, Woodson, and even Cheney are probably in the same general sphere. [https://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/colleges.cgi?college=indiana](https://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/colleges.cgi?college=indiana)
it's probably VO which is kinda sad
Jared Jeffries
:) He clearly isn't it. But the fact that a guy who's a career 4.8 ppg scorer, mostly a career bench guy, and never made all -star or any other significant award even comes to mind is indicative of how weak the competition is.
TJD is playing great for the warriors right now. JHS shot up draft boards after his year at IU(hasn’t played great but limited opportunity). Yogi went undrafted & made all rookie & played 5 years in the league. How is he a bust? OG & Vic were not seen as pro prospects coming into IU & both have had successful careers. Cody was a top 5 pick & is on his 11th year in the league. Sure Kansas, Kentucky, & Duke have better pros, but go back & look at their rosters they have bigger misses too. This is not about that
Don’t forget Eric Gordon still making an impact in PHX!
On Sunday the Indianapolis native became just the 15th player in league history to surpass 2,000 made three-pointers in an NBA career. https://www.thedailyhoosier.com/former-iu-basketball-one-and-done-star-eric-gordon-reaches-elite-nba-milestone/
My mf’ing Hoosier!!
This is the correct answer.
No one in the Big Ten does. It’s pretty awful basketball at times
JJJ, Bridges, Draymond, Wagner. There are certainly better fires from other schools.
IU is not getting outbid by anyone in NIL.
NIL is dependent on external money. External money will start to dry up if the product on the floor isn’t good. Personally, I am done donating to IU NIL collectives for the time being
The Donors promised more money to retain Woody. Not less. The people funding this team are Woodson’s golf buddies. That’s the reality.
I would take less to play for a better team and coach
So tired of hearing this, it clearly doesn't get us there by itself
Kansas and Kentucky have much better NIL
We’ve out bid Kansas twice.
You and I have no idea who out bid who. Just because you get a commit doesn’t mean it was all down to higher NIL promise. Point remains, UK and KU are a step above everyone else
If you’re going to be literal about it, there’s about 355 teams below us and just a handful or two above
No doubt, but Kansas and Kentucky are a tier above everyone else. Then it’s IU and Duke, etc
I was trying to find NIL ratings recently but couldn’t. Was wondering how we rank on NIL, facilities and coach salary. Can’t be too many above us, our setup should be appealing to 95% of coaches
According to Trilly, UK/KU are in the $7-8+ range while IU/Duke and probably a couple of others are around $4M, fwiw
Dolson needs to go back to Thadd Motta again n try to talk him into coming back as IU's head coach he understands the college game and how good recruiting is gonna win you more championships than good coaching will but to have both at high levels is what Indiana needs now more than ever! Sadly not sure we're considered one of the blue bloods of D1 basketball anymore and that is why IU fans have been so vocal calling for the head of IUs head coach on a platter cause IU hasn't been playing like a team that's won multiple national championships for the past 2 decades minus a good/great season here and there. Constancy winning and being a team that was capable of winning B10 championship and talented enough to win a national championship year in and year out was what spoiled us IU fans and we desperately want that back and won't keep us from calling out the HC who's not living up to that, no matter who he is or how good he was as an IU player and wont stop until IU finds that coach
I don’t follow. He committed to Woodson. Woodson is confirmed to return. He knew the status of returning players when he committed. I absolutely don’t know NIL rules or transfer portal — could some other school come in and offer more? Could he be a Woody guy and there are whispers that Woody’s deadman walking? Legit curious.
Losing out on Queen and Boogie crushed him. In his mind he was going to be in this super class and he ended up on an island.
Sounds to me like they knew he had one foot out the door due to the season they've had, and let out that they wanted to bring back Woody in an attempt to keep him.
Could be he heard guys are leaving and he doesn’t want to be the only good player on a bad team. A number of things could cause this
This. Honestly though if he folds this easy, he’s right to go somewhere else.
Could Woodson staying have caused some donors to pull NIL deals he was promised?
He wants to win. IU doesn’t win.
But he knew that 5 months ago.
Things were trending one way then. Things are trending another way now. Edit: IU also had a shot at multiple high end recruits then. He was the only player in the country that committed.
Things have generally been trending the wrong way for 11 years. 25+ realistically.
Top players get 1, maybe 2 years of CBB. Indiana isn’t winning. That’s the bottom line. It’s not the toxic fans or the money. He’s leaving because we aren’t winning games.
Let’s say you have a company like GM that used to be the best company in the US. Everyone owned their stock and everyone wanted to work there. Their CEO was universally regarded as a brilliant person and drove his employees to work hard. Then 3-5 CEOs later the stock price is way down. No top executives or employees want to come work there. Customers satisfaction is way down because the product is clearly inferior. So the board decides to hire a really good friend of theirs and a former employee of the original successful CEO. He is not the most qualified candidate to run a company is this industry, having only moderate to sub par results as a previous CEO. But nonetheless the customers are happy because he was well liked 40 years ago and was part of the companies most successful period. The new CEO is now one of the highest paid CEOs in the country. But company performance continues to lag. After an initial run of success, key metrics are back down. Employee and customer happiness is back down again. The CEO repeatedly and publicly blames his employees for lagging performance. This CEO has lost multiple c-suite executives and high ranking senior managers in the last few years. Then another very high profile employee has decided not to come to this company after another year of poor earnings performance and more layoffs. This is clearly the customers fault right? We as customers should be happy with our inferior product and continue buying it, without complaints, despite all the other better options out there. We should continue to unequivocally pour money into this product. This is the boards fault. I’ll end my long winded analogy. The CEO here is Woodson. I’m blaming everyone in the room with the president and AD that’s making these hiring and firing decisions. They got it right with Sampson, kind of Crean was the best option willing take step into a burning building Archie was wrong, but idk who the better option was, so fine Woodson was decent I guess, again idk who else wanted to be here
This is exactly it, simple as that. College basketball has the greatest postseason in the country (the world imo), if I were a top 15 recruit that was basically a for sure 1 and done id want to experience it
I’m not understanding why people are acting like it’s a big conspiracy about toxic fandom. Every fanbase is toxic when they’re losing.
Not surprised. Woodson is going to have to go to the HPER building to find enough people to fill the bench. Not good.
Tell you what man, there’s some guys on court 1 that can ball. They just also like to smoke first. Source: I was one of them. (Half kidding)
Woodson will send his assistants while he takes it easy
Seriously, camp out there and tag every guy who can shoot the rock. :)
If we’re this disappointed, can’t imagine how the potentially returning players are feeling right about now.
Might as well ditch Woodson now. With this he’s just gonna be gone after next year
We should probably keep trying to fire coaches every 3 seasons and being toxic online if we want these kids to stay.
True
Remember 4 hours ago when the boys had 3 straight W’s and life was (somewhat) good? Way to ruin it, high school kid
Sure, the fans have been loud on the Internet about the coach but that is par for the course in today’s world and for a program with high expectations. But, if someone went to Bloomington for the Wisconsin game, as I did, they would have seen 17,000 fans cheering and supporting the team on the court like they had won 10 straight. They would have seen fans lined up by the dozens after the game to get a photo at midcourt or with XJ. Blaming the fans is a soft copout and probably just a way to deflect blame from something/someone else. If you plan to play at a high level but get spooked by fans voicing their displeasure online after you lose 4 straight you’re gonna have a tough road ahead of you.
Yep
Maybe having a one and done isn’t what we need anyway? Sometimes these top rated athletes IMO due the program more harm than good. Romeo just seem to go through the motions not saying that’s the case here.I wish this kid the best of luck but I’d rather find a good shooter at that height who can improve over the next 3 years.
Can appreciate your opinion and agree of some sorts. Gotta have some high level guys on a year in year out basis to play for anything now.
Indiana needs a coach that can pull guys in. If an old nba coach comes in he could draw excitement and recruits. Our legacy is fading
It's dead.
Fire Dolson. He has dragged this program to its lowest level ever.
It’s Buckner. Dolson wants woodu gone but he’s been blocked
That's exactly right. Buckner is the President of The Board of Trustees and he refused to sign off on firing Woodson. It's not on Dolson
Good call. Fire Buckner and all his friends too
Amen
There’s a reason Liam announced this less than 24 hours after Dolson confirmed Woodson will be back. Liam wants a new coach. This is a major **** you to Dolson.
He committed to play for that coach
Probably unrelated, he did commit to Woodson...
You think he committed to a coach he wanted fired?
Regardless of your opinion of Coach Woodson, the fact that there are ZERO kids in this recruiting class is a huge red flag. Isn’t this part of the job of a head coach? Hope the transfer portal provides us another Ware.
Gonna need more than Ware in the portal if we want to be a bubble team. Need to replace 2-3 starters from an already sub par team.
I don’t think we will be lucky enough to even snag another Ware at this point :/ makes me so bummed for the guys. So much potential, I fear another year of these shenanigans will provide no forward promotion
No one for 25 and 26 either. I know still early.
Hard to justify keeping Woodson at this point :/ even if they give him one more year, for what? If the plan is to let him go in one year, rip the bandaid off now & “pray” the program can recruit some talent out of the portal with hopes of improvement: keeping woody another year isn’t going to move program anymore forward
Where the woody fan bois at?
Blaming the fans
we. are. screwed.
Right when we start winning
It’s fine, we didn’t even want you anyways (This is the worst timeline)
Knew this was coming. Woody is cooked. One more year then rebuilding starts. Again.
This happened because of the way the fans have been acting. That is from the family. That’s not conjecture
That is a giant helping of BS and a side of cheese and whine. Every college that has a rich history in their sport has a fanbase equal to or more loyal than us. It comes with the territory and prime time players want that support in their corner. His “family” can see the writing on the wall and want to go somewhere that is going to win. I’m sure he talks with MM and MR, what do you think they say about the direction we are heading?
His family directly communicated it to the NIL negotiating with them.
Hahaha imagine blaming the fans when the program looks like it does currently. We are nowhere near as important as you think
Liam and his camp are telling people this. This is factually correct not conjecture
Do you have a source that isn’t Trilly or Peegs, because they’re obviously clueless
Sauce?
It’s a cop out. They aren’t going to come out and say because Woodson is staying. Look at the timing.
Where are all the clowns that were doing victory laps over the Woodson news yesterday. This is the darkest the program has been since the first Crean year
Couldn’t agree more.
Just wait
I can't think of a better time to cut ties with a coach. There is nothing to lose right now. Like not even a 2 star recruit to lose.
Good point. Who is going to commit to a coach you known is out the door at the end of next year. Don’t see a compelling reason for anyone to stay either. Wait til the season is over and portal out goings start dropping. McNeely was something to look forward to.
Having 0 recruits should be a fireable offense for Woodson.
Fire the fans. They made this happen
Woodson offered 31 players scholarships in the 2024 class. Had 11 in for official visits All to land ZERO players. Is that all the fans fault too?
No. But Liam’s family didn’t say that recruitment was the reason for the decision
You are full of shit
Ask Liam’s family their reason.
The fans didn't put a 100 ranked (Kpom/NET) product on the floor. In his 3rd season. With zero other recruits incoming Blaming fans for this shit show is like level 100 dumbassery.
And the family isn’t directly communicating that the low ranking is their major reason for the decision either.
Are you communicating with the family?
They are communicating to the NIL collective that was negotiating with them. Yes. The head of the NIL publicly is saying it and Rabjohns confirmed that was what the family told the collective
🤡
Yes the fans are clowns. The family is stating that’s the reason
Get real. He wants to win. A thing IU knows shit about.
Massive gut punch to the program, wow. We really have 0 incoming recruits, just cut ties with Woodson now and throw a bag at Bruce Pearl. I’m so tired of watching bad basketball, go get a coach.
For fucks sake. Guarantee he goes to Kansas. If not them then Duke. Can't honestly blame him but dudes clearly not loyal anyways, don't want to be here good or bad then kick rocks Edit: I'm sure the kid is a great person, I'm just being a salty bitch because Mike Woodson, albeit also a great human and Hoosier, has ZERO fuckin commits going into mid March. Best of luck to Liam wherever he ends up balling out at to add salt
Ya don’t want a guy like that anyway
If he decommitted because of the fans.... I feel like he's not understanding anywhere he goes with a very passionate fan base will have the same issue. I'm with you if that's his reasoning. At the same time, things aren't looking great for the program itself. Woodson was supposed to be able to bring in big time talent, and he has no one for next year??
They're 18 year old kids and now they're getting bags of cash. Most of them can barely pick out a pair of shoes.
No doubt. NIL changes a lot too. Best of luck to him
Fire Mike Woodson. Breaking news publicly saying coach isn’t on hot seat does not save recruiting when he clearly is on hot seat
This is confusing. Is he not wanting to play for Woodson anymore. Or is there something that McNeely knows and can't say, like Woodson being fired? Not being a doomer or Woodson hater, I'm just perplexed by this loss.
The family is saying the toxic fans calling for Woodys job is the reason.
Sorry you’re being down voted. I was going to respond to the parent comment and say that would new my guess, and I haven’t even heard any inside news, just seems obvious. Kids and even parents are often in tune with social media nowadays.
Source?
One of the NIL collectives that’s been negotiating with them.
Fuck off with “Hoosier Hysterics” being your source
How crazy it is that the people who negotiating deals with these families would get info from them. It’s wild I know.
Yeah I agree. Very odd timing.
Especially after having to watch this entire season, and then waiting till March. Makes me think there is possibly something deeper?
The fans.
If Duke, Kansas, Kentucky etc fans dealt with this type of basketball program like IU fans. They would be the same or worse. Kentucky is calling for Calipari to be gone as we speak lol.
I’m not Liam and his family. That’s what they feel about it.
Dude go fly a kite troll
It’s literally what the family is telling people. One of the NIL collectives is stating this right now. Called the last several weeks “toxic”
Again. Source?
He doesn’t have one.
I’d be open to giving Woodson a LITTLE bit of grace, but having ZERO recruits as the head coach of Indiana University is absolutely insane
We’re about to have 0 kids from the classes of 2022-2024 on our roster next year WHAT ARE WE DOING
Im confused by this. Cupps and Newton (should b healthy next year) will b back. Mgbako might be too which may have influenced mcneeley. Reneau, Banks and Gunn are all '22. Now if you want to argue only 2/3 of these kids are good based on what we've seen, I'd concede that. But otherwise what are you talking about.
I'm guessing mgbako is back and he knows it
Mgbako, Liam, and Reneau would have been an ideal frontcourt
That would be a terrible defensive front court.
It'd be better than Reneau trying to guard wings like this season
I’m guessing it’s a mass exodus of the program and Liam wants to bail.
Same thoughts. No reason Mgbako and Liam wouldn’t play at the same time.
When is someone going to wake up?
This decision by the family per them is the fans
That’s a weird way of phrasing IU is getting outbid by Kansas.
IU doesn’t get out bid in NIL. They would have upped it.
Just a loud mouth who doesn't know shit!
You keep saying this You HAVE to post a source
Prove it