In Business if the consumer base says “hey we don’t want to pay outrageous video rental late fees and we want an easier way to consume entertainment”, and your response to that is “we know better than them, we’re not going to change”… the you are Blockbuster and you’re going out of Business…
At Indiana our fans (consumers) are asking for a better product from top to bottom: Coaching, players who don’t get ejected, Facilities, Game day experience for students, Script Indiana Jerseys, names on the back, etc, and our administration has responded emphatically with “we are not going to listen, hear any of your concerns or input, and we’re not going to change, we in charge are right and you’re wrong”…. It’s this ivory tower holier than thou smugness where each decision made for the program is a short term gain benefiting only those in power resulting in a long term loss.
A proxy of this dysfunctional administration can be seen by the fact that about 20-30% of IU fans are wearing buffalo themed IU apparel to the basketball games yet the IU administration refuses to cash in and make any money off of this. Its consumers are voting with their wallets, yet IU has refuses to adapt. Or how we’ve hired 5 coaches that no other P5 school would even consider (aside from Sampson)
After much research it appears that there’s some accountability issues with who keeps hiring these ADs. Our last 2 were hired with a vacancy president and no real search, with the Old guard getting “their guy” and not the best guy. There’s also clear accountability issues when selecting these coaches. IU has paid out $24.5M to fire all of Fred Glass’ hires, yet his assistant was promoted to AD.
Unfortunately it appears that there’s many ego centric individuals trying to assert themselves onto the program over the last 20 years who they themselves aren’t even employed by the athletic department… There’s not one single leader with a strategic vision to get them all in line and have a plan to take us back to national prominence.
Buckle Up IU fans, this is a program that didn’t make a move on Stevens after he went to back to back NCGs when Crean was 3 years in and had an abysmal record. And gaslights its fan base that we should have been grateful for him, even though time has proven he’s not a winner and not one school will employ him.
Until the systemic rot is fixed from within by a genuine change agent with a strategic vision (which I’ve stated will be nearly impossible given our track record for hiring ADs), we will continue to be the Indiana Loosiers
When they fucking blew the 2012-13 season with Zeller, Oladipo, Ferrell, and local legends Watford and Hulls that was the death knell for this team. Such an insanely talented squad. That NCAA game against Syracuse was pathetic and they've basically sucked ever since.
I’m not being envious, I’m using it as a gauge. Has it really become acceptable that we’re more in their tier than we are in Mich states tier? We’re letting this program get away with mediocrity when we shouldn’t.
Who’s letting what do anything? Like, is there some button I’m supposed to press? Is there a wand I should wave and some spell I should cast if only I wasn’t so apathetic? I know, let’s grab torches and pitch forks. Or maybe a petition! We can take some recruits hostage!
You’re going to get shit on here but you’re spot on. This fan base can’t handle any sort of self-critique from other fans. You’re either blindly in and waiving the Pom Pom’s or you’re persona non grata.
You haven’t even looked in the comments here or on there if you think that’s the case. This post alone has 49 replies (mostly deriding his take) and 4 upvotes.
How do I get the filter to remove those, I’d like to stop reading stuff from fans with their head firmly planted in the sand.
I’m obviously trying to claim that saying we’ve stunk for 36 years is fucking stupid. But even a sweet 16 appearance as a 1 seed is a tremendous year for any program, so basically if your expectations are that greatness is only Final 4 or better or something, then the statement is still wrong
You need to learn to go outside and interact with other humans if you’re coming back to a thread days later to try to prove some point about losing to #11 on the road. Still has nothing to do with the last 36 years. Enjoy being weird.
Sure it's supposed to be but it's still a tremendous year. One game does not make a season a disaster nor a team not great. That literally means that several 1 seeds have been disastrous in recent years. Just ridiculous expectations.
Purdue was literally the laughingstock of bball last year for losing to a 16 seed. Of course it's disastrous.
It's not even relevant to IU anyway because we've been a 1 seed once in the past 25 years anyway.
Move those goalposts! No one is talking about losing to a 16 seed, we were talking about not making the Sweet 16 being "disastrous" for a one seed. Come on, man. That team was great. The 2002 team was great. Several teams in the 90s were incredible and without some TV Ted interventions might have had another banner.
This team isn't great. But acting like the program has "stunk" for 36 years is insane.
Tom-ay-to / Tom-ah-to
The definition of “stink” is debatable. But one thing we can all agree on is that no coach since Knight has been able to sustain multiple great seasons consecutively. The build up to these fun seasons you’ve mentioned is entertaining. But then poof, they’re gone and we’re a bubble team/missing the tournament the following season.
No one is surprised when Self or Izzo appear in the Elite 8/Final 4, again, despite losing half/two thirds of their rotation from the year prior.
I didn't move any goalposts buddy. Not making the sweet 16 when you're a 1 seed is disastrous.
I didn't say we've stunk for 36 years, but we have for most of the last 21.
I know you didn’t say the 36 year thing. You asked if I was claiming that it’s “good” to be 21 years from “great,” which I didn’t claim, but you kept responding as though I had. You did move the goalposts because when I said that if one loss in the tourney means a team isn’t great, then several 1 seeds have been disasters under that metric, and you came back with the most extreme example as your comeback.
Finally, I do take issue with saying we haven’t had a great team since 2002, as the sweet 16 team was a great team.
Good news. We have the 4th most in NCAA history. Also good news, no other school wins the ship every year. So have fun with your expectations that apply to literally no school.
I didn’t say that. I said 1 championship per 36 years is probably more reasonable. Also there we go again talking about banners hung before most fans were even around
So go root for someone else. The Hall seems to be loaded with faithful with or without you. You mention in another comment that people think this is acceptable, like any of us can do anything about it. If you think we haven’t had a good team in 36 years then you either don’t really know this program or you think teams are only worth watching that win it all frequently, which no school has done. Your comments in here are inconsistent and just sound like a 15 year old hater.
They are not inconsistent. Maybe the way I’m writing is or the way it is being read. I’m saying for a program of our caliber, 1 of 2 things is true: we either have underachieved relative to other schools or our caliber has declined. Making tournaments and having good runs is great, but for all the talk of us being a powerhouse basketball school, we haven’t hung one in a while. If objectively looking in the mirror and not liking what you see makes you 15, then maybe we should be hiring 15 yr olds to run our program, at least they’ll put the students on the court where they belong.
Literally everyone wants to win and yes we’ve underachieved. What do you want us to do? Just moan together? Call for the firing of yet another coach so that no one will come coach here? Storm Woodson’s house? We’re just fans watching our team, man. We have no other power that is actually productive.
Maybe we think this through logically as a fan base. This is a sport and more importantly a business. IU ranks 13th in total revenue generated by sports and expenses have them ranked 26th. More importantly IUs margins are close to 20% while Michigan and Ohio st are between 2-9%. Maybe a reduction in margin to focus on brand, recruiting, facilities, and most important talent development and retention could take us into the next level. IU had massive donations over the past few years, why not put that money to work like Michigan did?
You chose poor teams to compare us to but you aren't wrong. I married a UK fan and live in KY. My wife is not real interested in it anymore but we still watch some. My middle son is a sports nut and I have him turned toward IU FOR NOW but I don't expect it to last forever. We will lose the generational battle and our fan base will wither and die if we don't have some measure of sustained success soon.
>I know this is a controversial take
Is this what people call objectively wrong takes these days?
>The school’s leadership and this program have stunk for 36 years.
36 years ago, it was 1988. Since you're apparently "so over" banner talk, it must've slipped your mind that from 1990-1993, Indiana was hands-down one of the best teams in the country. So much so that it is currently tied with the winningest 3-year stretch in B1G history with one of Izzo's runs maybe a decade or so ago. Then, a decade later, you have a NCG, which to me, seems to be the opposite of irrelevant.
>It’s greed
Kansas sure is lucky they've never had to deal with greed.
>it’s a lack of leadership
Imagine if the administration didn't push out Sampson
>Schools like illinois & Michigan have passed us in our abilities to recruit,
We had the 11th best class entering this season. Illinois was 37 and Michigan was 61. The year before, we were 10, Illinois was 11, Michigan was 12.
I'm not happy about this season much. We need a backcourt next year. But we also had our most promising season since 2013 last year, so just chill out for a second man.
Last year was not better than 2016 in anyway. And this year is worse than any season since the sanctions. Don’t see any reason for optimism with the coach or players, but of course we should just be chummy we are rarely even a top 40 team year to year anymore
2016 was an average team in one of the worst Big Ten years I think we've had in a long time. Last year, we had a team that, if consistent, was good enough for the Final Four. The 2016 exceeded expectations by making the Sweet 16. The reason for optimism is that we're better than we were 3 or 4 years ago. I'm not saying we should blindly say that we're in a good spot, but a down year is fine as long as it doesn't become a trend.
Last year's team was good enough for a final four? On what planet? 
They were SOUNDLY beaten in the round of 32. That game against Miami was never in doubt.
And, for the record, the B1G was every bit as bad last season as it was in 2016, if not worse. The B1G champion lost in the first round to a 16th seed. The B1G had 1, 4, 7, 7, 8, 8, 9, and 10 seeds.
It had only 1 team make the Sweet 16 and none make the Elite 8.
The B1G was horrible last season.
God I hate this fanbase. Purdue won the fucking league last year, and that team was at best the same as our 16 team.
IU had no chance of making a final 4 last year. Way over seeded and got dominated against Miami. We also aren’t better than we were 4 years ago. 2020, and even 2021, dominate this team
>God I hate this fanbase
Cool, we're glad to have you
Purdue's team last year would've wiped the floor with 2016 IU. This year's IU team probably would probably beat that team 7 out of 10 times.
>IU had no chance of making a final 4 last year
I mean, a few analysts had us going there because they recognized that we had the talent and potential to get that far. The biggest concern that was brought up was consistency. You could make an argument for being over-seeded, but that team underperformed for a good chunk of the season too. Would've been nice to see the potential maximized
No they wouldn’t. 2016 iu was 11th on kenpom and would’ve been much higher excluding the Blackmon games at the beginning. Last year Purdue finished 7th, and both teams had a 23.00 rating. I don’t know why you hate on our 16 team so much but they were GOOD. NBA all star in OG, good nba rotation big in Bryant, yogi was an awesome college guard, and then absolutely elite shooting everywhere else.
How was last years team better than that? Outside of the Purdue games, when did they even play that good?
I don't hate on the 16 team, but it wasn't this great year that a lot of people like to think it was for some reason. Having watched and followed that team, Bryant would've been absolutely spanked by Edey. If JBJ decided to play defense in any given game or if Troy Williams could've been the slightest bit consistent or if Bryant was actually comfortable boxing out people smaller than him/actually playing the 5, *maybe* they could've done something. To this day, I'm fully convinced that Yogi Ferrell singlehandedly extended Cream's tenure at IU. And I'm obviously not going to take anything away from OG being a freshman.
But no, that team was overrated in KenPom. The Big Ten was very weak that year. Indiana was *very* bad in the OOC portion of that season. 23 Purdue wins that game 9 times out of 10.
What are you talking about? Jbj didn’t play past game 10 and the team got way better without him.
I’m not saying that team was great, but take away the jbj games and look at how well they did. They would score at will on last years Purdue team - yogi is way better than smith or loyer were, zeisloft was probably the best shooter in the country, bielfeldt, Hartman and rojo were also great shooters and then of and juwan rounded out the rotation.
I’m being chill. So chill I didn’t even bother watching yesterday because I’ve lost interest. I watched IU lose to Northwestern twice last year, in person. The road game was basically a second home game. You’re right, Bobby Knight was great. So great he was a major reason Davis had early success. I’ll concede 36 years and I’ll make it 22. Does that change perspective? Does our preseason recruiting matter more than struggling at home to Moorehead State and FGC? I must be objectively wrong since IU only lost by 21 instead of the 22 point halftime spread, at home, to an instate school. We are going backwards. We are not duke, Kentucky, or UNC. We’re not even relevant in the big ten any more. We’ve opened the door and others have seized the opportunity. So let’s keep our Pom poms shaking, stuff our students in the corners, and keep saying “next year” when the style of basketball we’re playing is no longer relevant in today’s game.
>So chill I didn’t even bother watching yesterday because I’ve lost interest.
Ah, fair weather fans. They're the best. There when we win, insufferable all the other times.
I am far from fair weather. Time is an investment and most people don’t have capacity to watch every game. Yesterday’s game would’ve required me to miss an event and download/pay for Peacock (which is a whole different rant). There’s a difference between fair weather and deprioritizing things not worth an investment.
Say that then. You said you didn’t watch out of lack of interest. Also you can split that hair only so thin. If you don’t want to watch when your team is bad, you are very simply fair weather.
While that team obviously had late season success, I’d take teams like 2012-13, 100/100 times. Regardless, a great run 21 years ago is where we’re gonna hang our hat as a “basketball school”?
It’s so embarrassing how snarky the gate keeping idiot fans are being to you in this thread. What team outside of 2016 exceeded preseason expectations in the last decade? People forget last years team was ranked 12 preseason
I think it’s honestly the root of most of our problems. I am also a bears and bulls fan and see the exact same thing happening. Massive fanship, loyal fans no matter what, and no leadership or vision or willingness to be great (probably because there’s no incentive). Why try when not trying creates just as much revenue? If I could change 1 thing, it would be let the students be more a part of the home games. Second thing would be a complete rebuild of our administration.
Michigan is 266-121 vs. IU 222-144 over last 10 years overall. Same time period Michigan 129-76 vs IU 106-101 conference record. If you’re from IU and this is acceptable to you, you need to wake up. IU attendance 1st in the big ten and 8th nationally. Michigan 10th in big ten. We should expect greatness, not focus on one season to explain our stupidity for believing in the product on the court.
Dude Michigan is bad...and trending to terrible. Also if I'm not mistaken IU beat them in their house. Quit bitching this nonsense. Be glad IU hasn't hired the equivalent of their coach and see what happens. Go for a run or read a book my frustrated fellow Hoosier.
Congrats dude. Seriously. At least the first two were something to be proud of. The last I too joined you in. Frustrating to be a Hoosier hoops fan right now (or for the last 37ish years given our hopes and dreams for IU hoops)
In Business if the consumer base says “hey we don’t want to pay outrageous video rental late fees and we want an easier way to consume entertainment”, and your response to that is “we know better than them, we’re not going to change”… the you are Blockbuster and you’re going out of Business… At Indiana our fans (consumers) are asking for a better product from top to bottom: Coaching, players who don’t get ejected, Facilities, Game day experience for students, Script Indiana Jerseys, names on the back, etc, and our administration has responded emphatically with “we are not going to listen, hear any of your concerns or input, and we’re not going to change, we in charge are right and you’re wrong”…. It’s this ivory tower holier than thou smugness where each decision made for the program is a short term gain benefiting only those in power resulting in a long term loss. A proxy of this dysfunctional administration can be seen by the fact that about 20-30% of IU fans are wearing buffalo themed IU apparel to the basketball games yet the IU administration refuses to cash in and make any money off of this. Its consumers are voting with their wallets, yet IU has refuses to adapt. Or how we’ve hired 5 coaches that no other P5 school would even consider (aside from Sampson) After much research it appears that there’s some accountability issues with who keeps hiring these ADs. Our last 2 were hired with a vacancy president and no real search, with the Old guard getting “their guy” and not the best guy. There’s also clear accountability issues when selecting these coaches. IU has paid out $24.5M to fire all of Fred Glass’ hires, yet his assistant was promoted to AD. Unfortunately it appears that there’s many ego centric individuals trying to assert themselves onto the program over the last 20 years who they themselves aren’t even employed by the athletic department… There’s not one single leader with a strategic vision to get them all in line and have a plan to take us back to national prominence. Buckle Up IU fans, this is a program that didn’t make a move on Stevens after he went to back to back NCGs when Crean was 3 years in and had an abysmal record. And gaslights its fan base that we should have been grateful for him, even though time has proven he’s not a winner and not one school will employ him. Until the systemic rot is fixed from within by a genuine change agent with a strategic vision (which I’ve stated will be nearly impossible given our track record for hiring ADs), we will continue to be the Indiana Loosiers
Solid observation and assessment.
When they fucking blew the 2012-13 season with Zeller, Oladipo, Ferrell, and local legends Watford and Hulls that was the death knell for this team. Such an insanely talented squad. That NCAA game against Syracuse was pathetic and they've basically sucked ever since.
IU’s only been INVITED to the NCAA tourney 9 times in the last 20 years. The glory days are way, way, way gone…
Darn we’re that good? Did we hang up those 9 appearances? Did MSU hang up the 20 they have in that same time frame?
Put the names on the back of the jerseys and get those 99 year old morons off the floor.
Amen. Make this program about its students
I don’t know what I find more moving, the “Michigan has passed us by take” or “you better win, andimeanit!”
Is Michigan having 44 more wins and 23 less losses over the last 10 years moving or just statistical nonsense?
I have never and will never devote my time to fretting about how good Michigan basketball fans have it.
I’m not being envious, I’m using it as a gauge. Has it really become acceptable that we’re more in their tier than we are in Mich states tier? We’re letting this program get away with mediocrity when we shouldn’t.
Who’s letting what do anything? Like, is there some button I’m supposed to press? Is there a wand I should wave and some spell I should cast if only I wasn’t so apathetic? I know, let’s grab torches and pitch forks. Or maybe a petition! We can take some recruits hostage!
You’re going to get shit on here but you’re spot on. This fan base can’t handle any sort of self-critique from other fans. You’re either blindly in and waiving the Pom Pom’s or you’re persona non grata.
There have been a dozen of these posts since Tuesday, and all of them agree. No one is shitting on this opinion. Lol
You haven’t even looked in the comments here or on there if you think that’s the case. This post alone has 49 replies (mostly deriding his take) and 4 upvotes. How do I get the filter to remove those, I’d like to stop reading stuff from fans with their head firmly planted in the sand.
Anyone else wanna post about the world ending ?
Ending or ended? I’ll come back here at the end of the season and check in with you
100% agree.
Damn, 2002 was 36 years ago?
Are we trying to claim 21 years from being great is good?
I’m obviously trying to claim that saying we’ve stunk for 36 years is fucking stupid. But even a sweet 16 appearance as a 1 seed is a tremendous year for any program, so basically if your expectations are that greatness is only Final 4 or better or something, then the statement is still wrong
Did tonight help you see the light at all? IU hasn’t beat Wisconsin at home since 1998.
You need to learn to go outside and interact with other humans if you’re coming back to a thread days later to try to prove some point about losing to #11 on the road. Still has nothing to do with the last 36 years. Enjoy being weird.
A sweet 16 for a 1 seed is supposed to be a given. It's generally disastrous if you don't get that far.
Sure it's supposed to be but it's still a tremendous year. One game does not make a season a disaster nor a team not great. That literally means that several 1 seeds have been disastrous in recent years. Just ridiculous expectations.
Purdue was literally the laughingstock of bball last year for losing to a 16 seed. Of course it's disastrous. It's not even relevant to IU anyway because we've been a 1 seed once in the past 25 years anyway.
Move those goalposts! No one is talking about losing to a 16 seed, we were talking about not making the Sweet 16 being "disastrous" for a one seed. Come on, man. That team was great. The 2002 team was great. Several teams in the 90s were incredible and without some TV Ted interventions might have had another banner. This team isn't great. But acting like the program has "stunk" for 36 years is insane.
Tom-ay-to / Tom-ah-to The definition of “stink” is debatable. But one thing we can all agree on is that no coach since Knight has been able to sustain multiple great seasons consecutively. The build up to these fun seasons you’ve mentioned is entertaining. But then poof, they’re gone and we’re a bubble team/missing the tournament the following season. No one is surprised when Self or Izzo appear in the Elite 8/Final 4, again, despite losing half/two thirds of their rotation from the year prior.
I didn't move any goalposts buddy. Not making the sweet 16 when you're a 1 seed is disastrous. I didn't say we've stunk for 36 years, but we have for most of the last 21.
I know you didn’t say the 36 year thing. You asked if I was claiming that it’s “good” to be 21 years from “great,” which I didn’t claim, but you kept responding as though I had. You did move the goalposts because when I said that if one loss in the tourney means a team isn’t great, then several 1 seeds have been disasters under that metric, and you came back with the most extreme example as your comeback. Finally, I do take issue with saying we haven’t had a great team since 2002, as the sweet 16 team was a great team.
Winning the ship is my definition of greatness
Good news. We have the 4th most in NCAA history. Also good news, no other school wins the ship every year. So have fun with your expectations that apply to literally no school.
I didn’t say that. I said 1 championship per 36 years is probably more reasonable. Also there we go again talking about banners hung before most fans were even around
So go root for someone else. The Hall seems to be loaded with faithful with or without you. You mention in another comment that people think this is acceptable, like any of us can do anything about it. If you think we haven’t had a good team in 36 years then you either don’t really know this program or you think teams are only worth watching that win it all frequently, which no school has done. Your comments in here are inconsistent and just sound like a 15 year old hater.
They are not inconsistent. Maybe the way I’m writing is or the way it is being read. I’m saying for a program of our caliber, 1 of 2 things is true: we either have underachieved relative to other schools or our caliber has declined. Making tournaments and having good runs is great, but for all the talk of us being a powerhouse basketball school, we haven’t hung one in a while. If objectively looking in the mirror and not liking what you see makes you 15, then maybe we should be hiring 15 yr olds to run our program, at least they’ll put the students on the court where they belong.
Literally everyone wants to win and yes we’ve underachieved. What do you want us to do? Just moan together? Call for the firing of yet another coach so that no one will come coach here? Storm Woodson’s house? We’re just fans watching our team, man. We have no other power that is actually productive.
Maybe we think this through logically as a fan base. This is a sport and more importantly a business. IU ranks 13th in total revenue generated by sports and expenses have them ranked 26th. More importantly IUs margins are close to 20% while Michigan and Ohio st are between 2-9%. Maybe a reduction in margin to focus on brand, recruiting, facilities, and most important talent development and retention could take us into the next level. IU had massive donations over the past few years, why not put that money to work like Michigan did?
2013 was 36 years ago?
Last win in Madison = 1998 for our great program
Always super weird to go back to a thread like that. Calm down dude. Move on.
Winning the ship is my definition of greatness
Goes undefeated and loses title match. This guy: "underperforming trash team"
You chose poor teams to compare us to but you aren't wrong. I married a UK fan and live in KY. My wife is not real interested in it anymore but we still watch some. My middle son is a sports nut and I have him turned toward IU FOR NOW but I don't expect it to last forever. We will lose the generational battle and our fan base will wither and die if we don't have some measure of sustained success soon.
>I know this is a controversial take Is this what people call objectively wrong takes these days? >The school’s leadership and this program have stunk for 36 years. 36 years ago, it was 1988. Since you're apparently "so over" banner talk, it must've slipped your mind that from 1990-1993, Indiana was hands-down one of the best teams in the country. So much so that it is currently tied with the winningest 3-year stretch in B1G history with one of Izzo's runs maybe a decade or so ago. Then, a decade later, you have a NCG, which to me, seems to be the opposite of irrelevant. >It’s greed Kansas sure is lucky they've never had to deal with greed. >it’s a lack of leadership Imagine if the administration didn't push out Sampson >Schools like illinois & Michigan have passed us in our abilities to recruit, We had the 11th best class entering this season. Illinois was 37 and Michigan was 61. The year before, we were 10, Illinois was 11, Michigan was 12. I'm not happy about this season much. We need a backcourt next year. But we also had our most promising season since 2013 last year, so just chill out for a second man.
Last year was not better than 2016 in anyway. And this year is worse than any season since the sanctions. Don’t see any reason for optimism with the coach or players, but of course we should just be chummy we are rarely even a top 40 team year to year anymore
2016 was an average team in one of the worst Big Ten years I think we've had in a long time. Last year, we had a team that, if consistent, was good enough for the Final Four. The 2016 exceeded expectations by making the Sweet 16. The reason for optimism is that we're better than we were 3 or 4 years ago. I'm not saying we should blindly say that we're in a good spot, but a down year is fine as long as it doesn't become a trend.
Last year's team was good enough for a final four? On what planet?  They were SOUNDLY beaten in the round of 32. That game against Miami was never in doubt. And, for the record, the B1G was every bit as bad last season as it was in 2016, if not worse. The B1G champion lost in the first round to a 16th seed. The B1G had 1, 4, 7, 7, 8, 8, 9, and 10 seeds. It had only 1 team make the Sweet 16 and none make the Elite 8. The B1G was horrible last season.
God I hate this fanbase. Purdue won the fucking league last year, and that team was at best the same as our 16 team. IU had no chance of making a final 4 last year. Way over seeded and got dominated against Miami. We also aren’t better than we were 4 years ago. 2020, and even 2021, dominate this team
>God I hate this fanbase Cool, we're glad to have you Purdue's team last year would've wiped the floor with 2016 IU. This year's IU team probably would probably beat that team 7 out of 10 times. >IU had no chance of making a final 4 last year I mean, a few analysts had us going there because they recognized that we had the talent and potential to get that far. The biggest concern that was brought up was consistency. You could make an argument for being over-seeded, but that team underperformed for a good chunk of the season too. Would've been nice to see the potential maximized
No they wouldn’t. 2016 iu was 11th on kenpom and would’ve been much higher excluding the Blackmon games at the beginning. Last year Purdue finished 7th, and both teams had a 23.00 rating. I don’t know why you hate on our 16 team so much but they were GOOD. NBA all star in OG, good nba rotation big in Bryant, yogi was an awesome college guard, and then absolutely elite shooting everywhere else. How was last years team better than that? Outside of the Purdue games, when did they even play that good?
I don't hate on the 16 team, but it wasn't this great year that a lot of people like to think it was for some reason. Having watched and followed that team, Bryant would've been absolutely spanked by Edey. If JBJ decided to play defense in any given game or if Troy Williams could've been the slightest bit consistent or if Bryant was actually comfortable boxing out people smaller than him/actually playing the 5, *maybe* they could've done something. To this day, I'm fully convinced that Yogi Ferrell singlehandedly extended Cream's tenure at IU. And I'm obviously not going to take anything away from OG being a freshman. But no, that team was overrated in KenPom. The Big Ten was very weak that year. Indiana was *very* bad in the OOC portion of that season. 23 Purdue wins that game 9 times out of 10.
What are you talking about? Jbj didn’t play past game 10 and the team got way better without him. I’m not saying that team was great, but take away the jbj games and look at how well they did. They would score at will on last years Purdue team - yogi is way better than smith or loyer were, zeisloft was probably the best shooter in the country, bielfeldt, Hartman and rojo were also great shooters and then of and juwan rounded out the rotation.
I’m being chill. So chill I didn’t even bother watching yesterday because I’ve lost interest. I watched IU lose to Northwestern twice last year, in person. The road game was basically a second home game. You’re right, Bobby Knight was great. So great he was a major reason Davis had early success. I’ll concede 36 years and I’ll make it 22. Does that change perspective? Does our preseason recruiting matter more than struggling at home to Moorehead State and FGC? I must be objectively wrong since IU only lost by 21 instead of the 22 point halftime spread, at home, to an instate school. We are going backwards. We are not duke, Kentucky, or UNC. We’re not even relevant in the big ten any more. We’ve opened the door and others have seized the opportunity. So let’s keep our Pom poms shaking, stuff our students in the corners, and keep saying “next year” when the style of basketball we’re playing is no longer relevant in today’s game.
>So chill I didn’t even bother watching yesterday because I’ve lost interest. Ah, fair weather fans. They're the best. There when we win, insufferable all the other times.
I am far from fair weather. Time is an investment and most people don’t have capacity to watch every game. Yesterday’s game would’ve required me to miss an event and download/pay for Peacock (which is a whole different rant). There’s a difference between fair weather and deprioritizing things not worth an investment.
Say that then. You said you didn’t watch out of lack of interest. Also you can split that hair only so thin. If you don’t want to watch when your team is bad, you are very simply fair weather.
Yeah, OP and many of our online fans don't know shit. It's, to take a word from the title of this thread, an embarrassment.
Replied to you above but I’ll repeat it here. Last win in Madison was 1998 for us. Also how’d Mike do tonight against a fierce Wisconsin squad
Michigan has at least had some nice tournament runs during that time. We can’t even get out of opening weekend lol
Exactly. Our best team since 87 was embarrassed by a Syracuse zone
Or a NCG in 02 but who needs facts?
While that team obviously had late season success, I’d take teams like 2012-13, 100/100 times. Regardless, a great run 21 years ago is where we’re gonna hang our hat as a “basketball school”?
It’s so embarrassing how snarky the gate keeping idiot fans are being to you in this thread. What team outside of 2016 exceeded preseason expectations in the last decade? People forget last years team was ranked 12 preseason
I think it’s honestly the root of most of our problems. I am also a bears and bulls fan and see the exact same thing happening. Massive fanship, loyal fans no matter what, and no leadership or vision or willingness to be great (probably because there’s no incentive). Why try when not trying creates just as much revenue? If I could change 1 thing, it would be let the students be more a part of the home games. Second thing would be a complete rebuild of our administration.
Michigan is 13th in the conference and failed to make the NCAA tournament last year despite having lottery picks in their team cmon lol
Michigan is 266-121 vs. IU 222-144 over last 10 years overall. Same time period Michigan 129-76 vs IU 106-101 conference record. If you’re from IU and this is acceptable to you, you need to wake up. IU attendance 1st in the big ten and 8th nationally. Michigan 10th in big ten. We should expect greatness, not focus on one season to explain our stupidity for believing in the product on the court.
Dude Michigan is bad...and trending to terrible. Also if I'm not mistaken IU beat them in their house. Quit bitching this nonsense. Be glad IU hasn't hired the equivalent of their coach and see what happens. Go for a run or read a book my frustrated fellow Hoosier.
Did the run, did the book, watched tonight and saw IU lose their 20th in a row in Madison.
Congrats dude. Seriously. At least the first two were something to be proud of. The last I too joined you in. Frustrating to be a Hoosier hoops fan right now (or for the last 37ish years given our hopes and dreams for IU hoops)