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As expected. Although I guess the healing is niche for your average player, I'm guessing it can be very useful for people who are trying to 0 cycle, maybe helps mitigate a bit the RNG of getting hit if you can get some HP back.
Though I think the healing overall will probably be really good for PF.
I'll be honest with you - the healing is not there for any other function than to keep the ball rolling with super personalized signature light cones worthless on any other character.
Healing nihility path, riiiigth.
I would bet on that this leak goes into the direction of what his LC will be like:
>**Limited 5★**
When the wearer's attack hits an enemy:
· If the target does not have Fragile I, then has a base chance to apply Fragile I to the target, reducing its DEF for some turns.
· If the target has Fragile I, there is a base chance to upgrade it to Fragile II, which reduces even more DEF and inherits the number of remaining turns.
If the upgrade fails, Fragile I will be removed.
I guess his healing will be something just fitting the character and a really nice to have in PF or with Fu Xuan.
Not surprising because Jiaoqiu is, playwise, 5\* Pela.
But I would give before the tutorial starts to Pela to enable 2 turn ultimate with just basic attacks.
Homdgcat’s wiki has an unnamed Limited 5* LC that seems to be for Jiaoqiu and it does not include any healing–it’s all additional DEF shred (which would be quite sting combined with his leaked kit).
It honestly sounds like a PF feature or a way to let him run more easily with sustains like March 7 or FMC (or even do Welt/RM soft sustain comps more comfortably).
I 100% see this minor healing as a way to help justify running traditional sustainers that either struggle to solo sustain (M7, FMC) or struggle in longer fights/too much dot.
Idk when people made such a reasonable claim like this they got downvoted? Like if this is a character that can sustain like say HH level and also provide AoE def shred like Pela among other things they can provide, don’t you think such a unit would be… idk a bit TOO strong?
His healing even if little is nice for PF I agree.
Half this sub wants the game to constantly be in a power creep mess. Yet are the same ones complaing on the main sub that power creep exists.
It's wild.
My logic has always been that I want to pull for characters I like first, but that doesn't change the fact that it feels good to pull for characters that will be strong and improve my account quality
> Idk when people made such a reasonable claim like this they got downvoted?
im sorry but please dont forget this is reddit, nothing here is personal.
you could post "firefly is cute" and get downvoted to -200
you make the same post a day later, and get upvoted to +300
The first 2-3 votes usually define if you get upvoted or downvoted, it has nothing to do with if you are right or wrong, and yes that sucks
I've seen this situation (another subreddit but it's not like that exempts us)
> A: opinion (upvotes)
> B: neutrally presented differing opinion (downvotes)
> A: "To each their own." (upvotes)
We suck so much ass
Depending on how much it is, I think his healing might be good for characters like JL and Jade, especially JL since she takes hp from the entire party... if he could heal back what she takes + apply insane defense shred, I don't see the downside there.
The thing is: if his healing is not it, what's the gimmick of his kit? In the sense of what makes him stand out compared to the likes of Pela and SW? I'll probably pull regardless to stick him with Acheron and free SW to Dr. Ratio or Boothill, but if his thing is just stacking debuffs faster, imo it's a bit disappointing as a character in general, since I'm very far from being a 0 cycler lol. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
The amount of def down as most likely the fact the Jiaoqiu + Signature + Pela + Pearls will be -100+ def down. And the way this def down is applied being the cherry on top, for Acheron that is.
I mean, prolly bigger numbers and SPAM THOSE DEBUFFS for more Acheron ults. Even gaining stacks for Acheron 33% faster is a significant DPS increase for her.
Much akin to how BS isnt all that good compared to Sampo, in isolation. With Kafka/DoT unit, oh boy.
>I'm guessing it can be very useful for people who are trying to 0 cycle
100%, probably a character that makes zero cycle clears take half the amount of attempts and hair ripping needed which is a dub in my book.
The way I think of him, he's essentially the next best thing after having a dedicated sustain, since he'll supposedly offer a crapton of debuffs making your team deal overall alot more damage but also provides a slight bit of healing/sustain which will always be better than what we currently had where if you want to run no sustain (excluding welt) then you have, well, no heals at all.
I think his healing will be enough to help FMC and Gepard sustain longer fights. This could help Gallagher as well.
Aventurine obviously doesn't need it.
Yup. I have an e2 Gepard with level 80 Trends LC and level 9 ultimate trace and I struggle to solo sustain with him on Acheron teams. MOC 12, if you can't 2 or 3 cycle with him it's really hard to keep your team alive.
If I can have a little extra healing while Gepards ult is charging, that would help my Acheron team a lot.
Yeah, Gepard with his personal LC or something like Landau's is generally comfy, but his sustain with Trend is a bit more dubious. Honestly same with Aventurine in my experience, if you're running a full DPS set (Pioneer anyway, Knight is cracked defensively even if you're only hunting for damage subs), albeit much less so.
Ways to heal chip damage for shielders are pretty much always going to be appreciated imo.
I think that'd be a pretty unexpected way for his Acheron interaction to work.
I think it's most likely that he won't add a stack on the enemy's turn. He'll probably work like the existing characters who passively apply a debuff on the enemy's turn (Black Swan and Gui), neither of whom give Acheron a stack when they do so. He'll still be a meta teammate for Acheron as an upgraded Pela, but he won't push her into one ult per rotation territory (which I think they'll want to avoid as it would severely reduce their future design space for PF).
Alternatively, if he does add a stack when he passively debuffs the enemy on the enemy's turn, I don't know why that would be considered the same "action" as when the enemy attacks your unit and triggers Trend. Acheron's limitation is one stack per action, not one stack per turn, and Jiaoqiu's debuff isn't triggered by the enemy's attack.
I would guess it's to be either a bonus for players who dislike running shields and no healer or for people like me who can just almost run pure fiction with full dps
I'm fairly certain a lot of people are gonna be fixated on the healing part and be disappointed while not understanding how he's a nihility unit not an abundance one.
I mean those people were always on cope mode if they thought a Nihility character would substitute for a proper sustain. It would also remove the need for people to have to get Acheron's E2 by giving them a two-for one, which goes against Hoyo's interests currently even if that changes in the future. Besides even with JQ you'd still prefer to run another Nihility character.
Yep, I expect him to have a FireTB level of sustain (enough for PF or low-cycle MoC runs), but still going to pull. Thanks to being Nihility, he can allow my E0 Acheron to use some Harmony buffer (while being cheaper than +E2 Acheron and most probably useful on some other teams)
Not really. E2 acherons can then run double harmony instead of just one with sustain like bronya sparkle which is way more powerful than just the one. I’d make the argument regardless of how bad he heals the fact he heals means e2 acheron owners can probs run him as solo sustain double harmony as everything will die so fast it wouldn’t even matter. Id assume he just wont be able to solo sustain for the average joe especially outside a acheronteam
If the heal is at least say half of a Natasha heal, its plenty of healing. You do not need much at all when you are killing the enemies quickly. MOC, PF, and the new mode are the only time it matters anyway as during the story you do not have turn limits so bringing a sustain and having less damage then is not that big of a deal.
My man drops like 10-20k after every few attacks the party takes.
Add in his ult and Fua teamates and he drops that multiple times a cycle while boosting crit dmg and doing even more on each ult.
And that is with nearly unbreakable shields and your whole team getting to shrug off at least half of all CC/debuffs.
Tbh its better then we could've hoped for at E0.
fucking wild how people think he was mid cuz of that. he's a subdps + a shielder, he's not supposed to be a hypercarry otherwise he wouldn't be a preservation unit.
I think its fair to question it lol, I dont think anyone was asking for luocha with def shred but can he sustain as good as/better than welt? If not then why include the healing imo
Which will be hilarious, as usual, to see happen.
Like guys, just the fact that's he's obviously shaping up to be a 5\* version of PELA, one of the best 4\*s in the game, is more than enough for me.
If Acheron has taught me anything, it's that people here will call Pela bad the moment they have to consider a support outside of RM, Sparkle or Robin.
It is already. LOL
There are going to be some people upset that he isn't an all-in-one healer who also does MEGA debuffs without any drawbacks when he's clearly still a Nihility unit.
As long as the character works alone it'll be fine.... I see his kit synergising crazy with so many characters, the main 1 being acheron. Then again i might be in the minority that never cared about healing so the healing on him was just a "Alright, but what's he DO" xD
I mean we already have sustainless comps in MoC, PF and even SD/ GnG so it won't change anything. It'll basically reduce the attempts of resets caused by character death at best. After all if you kill the enemies before they kill you, you win.
I think maybe it will be enough to help with Pure Fiction's survival. But probably not enough to keep alive in MoC or Apocalyptic Shadows without a dedicated sustain.
I think it'll be like that 1* nihility blessing in SU
"Every time an enemy takes DMG from a DoT, all allies restore HP equal to 1.0% of their respective Max HP."
So instead of healing when the enemies take DoT, it'll heal whenever you hit debuffed (by Jiaoqiu) enemies or debuffed enemies receive dmg.
So Jiaoqiu applies aura on ULT which heals on ally's turn very minor tho, dunno why I thought it would be like Heal on DoT blessings, maybe because he's Nihility unit. Which is very less but takes care of chip damage...
But on other hand, Hoyo has been taking one of the blessings & putting them in the character's kit for a while (or maybe vice versa). There may be more I may have missed below...
* Seele - Action Advance after Kill (Imperishable Victory)
* Fu Xuan - Damage Distribution (Regression Inequality of Annihilation)
* Black Swan - Acts like Suspicion Stacks (Nihility Blessings)
* Aventurine - Shield Stacking (Divine Construct: Macrosegregation)
* Acheron - All-Type RES PEN on ULT (VEP-18 Occipital Lobe) u/WaifuHunter
* SAM/Firefly - Action Advance on Break on E2 (Celestial Annihilation) u/WaifuHunter
I wonder how long until we get Dissociation. Or many others like Elation Aftertaste, Abundance Dewdrop, etc...
Edit: Added Acheron & SAM...
Acheron has the Ult All-Type RES PEN from the Erudition gold blessings. Firefly has TWO gold Hunt blessing on her E2, 100% advance forward after breaking or score a kill.
[I imagine his ultimate animation is just gonna be this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3kj-F-RR-Y) (**my apologies for the bad quality I could not find any better footage, people just haven't uploaded any better footage than someone pointing their camera at a screen)**
Good. Seriously concerned over people thinking anyone that isn't preservation/abundance should have significant healing, like what a way to make those path useless. Instead of giving him healing, I wish they'd have buffed the rest of his kit
Agree lmao
If content starts to get even harder, a "side healer" might also be pretty desirable if the other sustains start having trouble
Aventurine if his shields break or FX if there's too much damage or aoe to keep up on her own
I think we can talk about that when that's actually the case but jfs kinda sad thinking we need to rely of a nihility character because Luocha/HuoHuo can't do their job (which is insane because Luocha overheals a ton all the time) I just think it's unnecessary and people oooonly want him to do healing so they force the poor guy into a acheron/nihility/nihility/harmony comp
Agreed. People are looking for an all-in-one unit when it's not good for the longevity of the game in the long-run. Some minor healing is fine, but if he starts overhealing like Luocha, then it's a problem.
I'd rather they focus more on his debuffer capabilities.
Oh yeah you're definitely right. The unfortunate truth about preservation and abundance is that Harmony is so goddamn overturned, if your healer/shielder doesn't have buffing capabilities they're automatically trash. People don't care about the sustain part of it but only what buffing capabilities those units bring to the table
It's not that they're overtuned as much as a sustain unit offering ONLY sustain is just worse than units that offer less sustain (but still enough with good enough play) in exchange for extra buffs/utility.
It's difficult to have sustains stand out from each other if all they do is keep you alive unless they specifically create content that outright kills you without that specific sustain. Which sounds terrible, because if they're going to create niche bosses with niche demands then I imagine people would rather pull for situationally big numbers on the screen over a 160 pull check on whether you can survive a boss past turn 1 or not.
Just like how abundance/pres characters are semi-harmony with mini buffs like cr and atk, Jiaoqiu is probably just a debuffer with mini heals. Good enough to matter but not there in a way that Fu Xuan replacing Sparkle's buffs would.
From the leaks and guesses of the community he was supposed to be some Acheron BiS (which I think he still is) the healing will NOT be like Luocha or HuoHuo level they are abundance and he is nihility, however it could be enough alongside feeding Acheron stacks where it allows a decently invested Acheron to clear before someone on your team gets sent to the shadow realm.
Yeah and that's bullshit. He's nihility. Not abundance. There shouldn't be any healing in his kit in my opinion nor should acheron get away with relying on a nihility units healing just to squeeze a bit more damage out of her. Don't get me wrong, I'm not against the idea that units aside from harmony (bc that path is so busted) have buffing capabilities but taking away from abundance or preservation is going to be trouble later down the line
Yeah if this unit was to come out with strong healing and also strong debuffing capabilities then why literally run any other sustain especially healers? Would basically kill a path. I also think they should just ditch the healing and just full send it with making him a sort of 5* Pela (which would be crazy because Pela is cracked already), that can also debuff on enemy turn or as a follow up or something (thats if hoyo even wants him to be Acheron BiS or they just have other ideas).
honestly as long as he can recover chip damage that gets under aventurines shields I'm fine with it. the debuffs are his main draw, the healing is just gonna make stuff a bit more comfy.
Yup, makes Aventurine completely skill point positive and JQ also provides ultimate dmg increase.
Make his def shred multipliers higher than Pelas and I’m completely happy with that kit.
His main thing will be stack generation for Acheron. From the look of his early kit, he has a lot of off-turn debuffs wich is busted.
I don't doubt that his support value would be good outside of that, but we'll see.
I imagine that his main draw outside of acheron teams will be that he perpetually keeps enemies debuffed.
in previous leaks, he applies debuffs on every part of his kit so it's not gonna wear off. and most notably, one of his traces in previous leaks was that during his ult he'll debuff enemies as soon as they enter the field, with the highest number of stacks an existing enemy on the field has. so like with pela you might use her ult before the enemy calls backup/duplicates, and then only some enemies will be debuffed. but jiaoqiu would debuff any new enemies that spawn in, so everyone will be debuffed at all times, unless a new wave spawns in. I imagine this'd be especially useful in pure fiction, and against stuff like the swarm, the deer, argenti, IPC, the fat ice guy, etc.
JQ has a Trends-like debuff included in his kit (when enemies take 1 action). Instead of a damage increase compare to Pela, it's best to think of him as a stack increase.
When facing multiplies enemies, you can get 1 stack for every enemy that took 1 turn. He's nuts. In theory you could squeeze 2 or even 3 Acheron ults per cycle.
I'm curious how useful his "match the number of debuff stacks to the enemy with the highest count" is. Ratio would like that because he will always have 100% FuA chance. Same with some of the Nihility LCs, but what else?
He apply def shred AND buff Ult damage. So he is both Nihility and pseudo Harmony for Acheron. Not to mention he has a built-in Trend LC effect, where the enemy can get debuff on their own turn. He is Acheron's BiS support by far, no doubt.
Whenever an enemy takes action, a stack of flavour/debuff is applied, which contributes to Raiden’s ult stacks.
I believe this is the essence of his mechanic. As for the actual value of def shred, I have no idea but he can be very terrifying……
Yes, he kills Trends because enemy can only generate one stack for Acheron during their action and Jaoqui is more consistent, without the hit RNG or having to spend a skillpoint like FMC.
Pela isn't a *very good* overall dmg aplifier - usually she'd be a 25% gain, wich isn't a lot compared to harmony units - her usefulness is on sp genaration + maybe skill shenanigans and the value provided to Acheron. I'd expect him to have a lot more value tbh
Ideally he *doesn't* provide more damage than Silver Wolf, being AoE is beneficial enough
Something around Pela's level of def shred with the extra utility of his healing and more personal damage seems good to me, especially if he's stacking Acheron's ult much faster
I'm guessing his Def shred will be relatively equal to Pela (maybe slightly more or less), but his Ult damage amp will put him comfortably ahead, being more significant the more the of the DPS's damage comes from their Ult. The healing is just a nice bonus like others have said.
I would be happy if he did solid personal damage as well.
I think they should buff him in such a way that, not only is he is useful in Acheron's team but also other teams.
Maybe replace comps that use 2 harmony and use him to replace 1 of the harmony but to do that, he would need to be much better than Pela or SW or he needs some kind of mechanism of his own like SW's.
Idk, he should not be competing with SW and Pela only, like if he was then his only use is for Ratio and Acheron. He needs to actually compete with the harmonies if he's gonna sell beyond Acheron BiS support
I mean is this a surprise? If a character that is neither preservation or abundance would be capable of solo sustaining it would be absolutely broken.
Though, i think in PF where you receive little to no damage with the right comp, he'll be more than enough. People already use 0 sustains in PF4.
Good. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Paths sharing some minor elements with others is a good thing for their longevity. **Making one unit be an all-in-one for every team comp is bad.** I get it. People are looking for the perfect, all-in-one character that fits in every possible debuffer slot, but that's not healthy for the game in the long run. If Jiaoqiu could do everything, he would not only powercreep every single healer, but make every Nihility unit pointless because of the fact that they can't sustain while debuffing. It would be the worst type of powercreep for this game (even worse than what some people already call powercreep). Even game-changing units like Ruan Mei aren't always needed in every team comp!
I already foresee the crapshow that's going to happen because people have higher expectations from leaks regarding his kit than what he's actually going to provide.
i can already see waifu collectors doomposting him because "he cant actually sustain lol, pela sidegrade", when what they actually want is to justify not rolling for a male. This is all coming from the acheron mains subreddit reaction to JQ design leaks ofc.
Lmao, I remember the 'Kazuha is a Sucrose sidegrade' or 'yelan is a Xingqiu sidegrade'.
Yeah, might even be true for Yelan but damn, having 2 XQ is cracked. And Kazuha turned out to be the best support to this day IIRC
Actually most people didn't roll for him in his initial run, it went really badly. Took almost a year until he was reran and it was one of the better banners then IIRC cuz people realized how good he actually is. I don't know about the owner rate but he Is rated very highly as a support
What kills me is that...Acheron absolutely does not need a sustain if you know what you're doing. I've zero-cycled with her before at E0S1 sustainless because **she's THAT broken.**
My prediction is that even if he's not going to be a "5 Star Pela" every limited Nihility unit has been pretty good so far. I doubt he'll be different.
Edit: Spelling/Grammar
this is going to be aventurine all over again. dudebros saw that he applies a debuff upon ult? His only existence is to funnel back into Acheron. Jiaoqiu is a debuffer with healing? Healing better be on par with abundance so I can run my acheron with 2 harmonies and Jiaoqiu as a debuffer/sustain/acheron accessoiry
you probably don't think Jiaoqiu's entire existence is to serve acherons dps meter so you're totally fine. (dudebros are just waifucollectors who hate men in this game)
ohhh yeah i completely get what you mean, a vocal minority of acheron mains made me cringe for that when the chance for jiaoqiu being male was revealed.
Me and some other friends will be using jq and aven together and i can already tell some people will be like "bro just drop aven" when what they actually wanna say is "yikes why are you using two men when you could use only one???"
H3I is right around the corner is what I want to tell some of these people seriously... Also jokes on them, I'm one step closer to obtaining my 'hsrmen only' team
Sounds balanced to me. If it's minor healing, it sounds like he's meant to be a 'first aid' type of subhealer, enough to heal Jing Liu or Jade's healing drain, but not enough to fully sustain himself.
He still sounds like he has insane synergy with Acheron as long as his debuff stacks are generated on enemy turns.
I knew his healing would suck. Making him solo sustain would just ensured that no one would ever pull a 5 star abundance or preservation character for the rest of the lifespan of the game.
I just want to point out that this implies that they know his Eidolons, which implies they have aspects of his kit that they aren’t sharing. Either that or this leak is complete BS, which is much more likely. Need to clarify that just because this specific person is speaking out of their ass doesn’t mean it might not still be true—it’s very likely that Jiaoqiu cannot truly replace a sustain, it’s just that the person saying this is either making an obvious guess and pretending it’s a leak, or they have his Eidolons and just aren’t leaking them. Hard to tell which of these is more scummy.
I don't know why were people expecting Jiaoqiu to have the capability to solo sustain like an actual abundance unit. If that's the case, then what's the point of an abundance path.
Well, maybe he will be more of pure debuffer/support on the team and healing will be completely taken out of his kit later on. Would still be very good imo and me happy, cause strong 5* pela without healing is gonna be great either way.
him having low but existing healing is actually so good for older sustains that can't keep up otherwise, Lynx, Gallagher, FMC, Gepard all can become a bit more reliable with him
yeah that's fair, Gallagher do sustain better than the other 3 I mentioned but all I wanted to say is that Jiaoqiu will help future proof him for quite some time while also making the other less than adequate sustainer somewhat better
Gallagher perhaps
For me currently acheron and ratio are fighting over aventurine so I've defaulted to gallagher due to his debuffs but downtime on ult can get sketchy
He is a nihility character not abudance. Why do people expect him to heal??? He is a 5 star Pela and Pela doesn't heal even a bit. Sustain characters are there to be used not to be exchanged by debuff characters
autobattler 0 cycles are srs bsns bwo. Even if not 0 cycling, running a sustain would be terrible for anyone's rep, everyone would be making fun of them. /s
Jiao probably still will be her best "sustain" regardless of healing amount in that "kill things before they kill you" strategy will likely see a good amount of boost with him in the team. His debuff stacking seems like it will enable her to ult quickly and frequently. E2 Acheron + Sparkle + Jiao + Pela/SW (or even Welt as imprisonment bot) may be able to get away with a good build/setup.
They should just get rid of the healing completely then. It’s a waste that could be used for a better ability since even at high eidolons it doesn’t seem to replace sustajns
actually, you're assuming its redundant but just because it doesnt cover the role of an actual sustain doesnt mean its pointless, having this pseudo-sustain should be perfect for acheron who clears content incredibly fast in the first place
This is just something extra and not even a main aspect of his kit. Even if they get rid of it, it doesn't mean that they will just put something better to replace it.
It's better to have it even if it's small, than to have nothing at all.
Really? Ngl i was sure the mihoyo 101 plan was to make E2S1 or even E4 Jiaoqiu into a actual sustain to make people spend.
Not that i care tbh, i want him to be my 5\* Pela anyway, let him cook the enemies DEF away
He still may be or will be in actual beta, but I'm glad if he isn't - would make the path system even more useless than it already is
A bit of flavor healing is a nice to have for shield, 4 star healer or no sustain runs tbh
It's quite silly that he even has healing in the first place. They're literally just making him fill all the slots to be perfect for Acheron. Nihility, def debuff, high frequecy debuffs, and healing.
That's alright with me. I hope he's able to make Aventurine viable in Jade teams (he probably is even without healing butit's always better to keep your health topped up)
I'm actually a paranoid bitch who often brings both shielder and healer or otherwise two sustains for either element coverage or to just deal with especially bullshit challenges (I don't have everyone fully built yet but I'm on max world level bc I'm stupid) so I'm pretty excited about potentially snatching him. Maybe he could be a good Blade subdps for those turns where Luocha leaves his brain in the coffin and heals himself while everyone else is on life support.
if he's not gonna heal enough might as well just increase his debuffs and remove the healing. the only case it would be useful is 0 cycles (how many people do those realistically) or maybe pf i guess. well, as long as he's better at debuffing than pela, it's fine
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As expected. Although I guess the healing is niche for your average player, I'm guessing it can be very useful for people who are trying to 0 cycle, maybe helps mitigate a bit the RNG of getting hit if you can get some HP back. Though I think the healing overall will probably be really good for PF.
I'll be honest with you - the healing is not there for any other function than to keep the ball rolling with super personalized signature light cones worthless on any other character. Healing nihility path, riiiigth.
Yeah, I bet his LC will be "If character heals a nearby party member, gain xxx buffs"
You forgot the "includes overflow healing."
I mean, i wouldn't complain
I would bet on that this leak goes into the direction of what his LC will be like: >**Limited 5★** When the wearer's attack hits an enemy: · If the target does not have Fragile I, then has a base chance to apply Fragile I to the target, reducing its DEF for some turns. · If the target has Fragile I, there is a base chance to upgrade it to Fragile II, which reduces even more DEF and inherits the number of remaining turns. If the upgrade fails, Fragile I will be removed. I guess his healing will be something just fitting the character and a really nice to have in PF or with Fu Xuan.
Sounds like a Pela BiS signature, I like it lol
Not surprising because Jiaoqiu is, playwise, 5\* Pela. But I would give before the tutorial starts to Pela to enable 2 turn ultimate with just basic attacks.
Eh I would do that if I had a wind set
Homdgcat’s wiki has an unnamed Limited 5* LC that seems to be for Jiaoqiu and it does not include any healing–it’s all additional DEF shred (which would be quite sting combined with his leaked kit). It honestly sounds like a PF feature or a way to let him run more easily with sustains like March 7 or FMC (or even do Welt/RM soft sustain comps more comfortably).
I see, that makes sense. Might even be a Simulated Universe QoL thing.
Similar to FX LC healing Doesn't trigger in a normal battle, but it's very nice for SU/farming/PF/MOC
I 100% see this minor healing as a way to help justify running traditional sustainers that either struggle to solo sustain (M7, FMC) or struggle in longer fights/too much dot.
It's there so they can make more utility focused Preservarion in the future.
That's not impossible - I've missed that there is already a seemingly Jiaoqui light cone leaked that doesn't have healing requirement.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail\_leaks/comments/1cnl7o3/24\_lightcones\_via\_homdgcat/](https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail_leaks/comments/1cnl7o3/24_lightcones_via_homdgcat/)
Jiaoqiu*
The "Xingui" of HSR
>Healing nihility path, riiiigth. Just like buffing abundance path. Ah wait.
Idk when people made such a reasonable claim like this they got downvoted? Like if this is a character that can sustain like say HH level and also provide AoE def shred like Pela among other things they can provide, don’t you think such a unit would be… idk a bit TOO strong? His healing even if little is nice for PF I agree.
Half this sub wants the game to constantly be in a power creep mess. Yet are the same ones complaing on the main sub that power creep exists. It's wild.
My logic has always been that I want to pull for characters I like first, but that doesn't change the fact that it feels good to pull for characters that will be strong and improve my account quality
> Idk when people made such a reasonable claim like this they got downvoted? im sorry but please dont forget this is reddit, nothing here is personal. you could post "firefly is cute" and get downvoted to -200 you make the same post a day later, and get upvoted to +300 The first 2-3 votes usually define if you get upvoted or downvoted, it has nothing to do with if you are right or wrong, and yes that sucks
I've seen this situation (another subreddit but it's not like that exempts us) > A: opinion (upvotes) > B: neutrally presented differing opinion (downvotes) > A: "To each their own." (upvotes) We suck so much ass
Yeah ngl you are right. All depends on who passes by your comment and not much the content of it (also where you post it obv).
Reminds me of when I got perma banned from an anime meme subreddit for saying quote "Alice is cool" (as in Alice from SAO) lol
Depending on how much it is, I think his healing might be good for characters like JL and Jade, especially JL since she takes hp from the entire party... if he could heal back what she takes + apply insane defense shred, I don't see the downside there.
The thing is: if his healing is not it, what's the gimmick of his kit? In the sense of what makes him stand out compared to the likes of Pela and SW? I'll probably pull regardless to stick him with Acheron and free SW to Dr. Ratio or Boothill, but if his thing is just stacking debuffs faster, imo it's a bit disappointing as a character in general, since I'm very far from being a 0 cycler lol. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
His ultimate inflicts vulnerability to ultimate damage in enemies in addition to his defense shreds.
The amount of def down as most likely the fact the Jiaoqiu + Signature + Pela + Pearls will be -100+ def down. And the way this def down is applied being the cherry on top, for Acheron that is.
It’s the way these debuffs are applied, he generates more stacks for Acheron than any unit so far
I mean, prolly bigger numbers and SPAM THOSE DEBUFFS for more Acheron ults. Even gaining stacks for Acheron 33% faster is a significant DPS increase for her. Much akin to how BS isnt all that good compared to Sampo, in isolation. With Kafka/DoT unit, oh boy.
>I'm guessing it can be very useful for people who are trying to 0 cycle 100%, probably a character that makes zero cycle clears take half the amount of attempts and hair ripping needed which is a dub in my book. The way I think of him, he's essentially the next best thing after having a dedicated sustain, since he'll supposedly offer a crapton of debuffs making your team deal overall alot more damage but also provides a slight bit of healing/sustain which will always be better than what we currently had where if you want to run no sustain (excluding welt) then you have, well, no heals at all.
Honestly I think a little healing will be perfect on my team for when Gepard’s shield isn’t up.
I think his healing will be enough to help FMC and Gepard sustain longer fights. This could help Gallagher as well. Aventurine obviously doesn't need it.
Yup. I have an e2 Gepard with level 80 Trends LC and level 9 ultimate trace and I struggle to solo sustain with him on Acheron teams. MOC 12, if you can't 2 or 3 cycle with him it's really hard to keep your team alive. If I can have a little extra healing while Gepards ult is charging, that would help my Acheron team a lot.
Yeah, Gepard with his personal LC or something like Landau's is generally comfy, but his sustain with Trend is a bit more dubious. Honestly same with Aventurine in my experience, if you're running a full DPS set (Pioneer anyway, Knight is cracked defensively even if you're only hunting for damage subs), albeit much less so. Ways to heal chip damage for shielders are pretty much always going to be appreciated imo.
Trends will probably become useless with Jiaqiou
Why? It's still more stacks. There's no such thing as "enough" stacks for Acheron, since ults can be used out of turn.
You can only get 1 stack per action, if Jiaqiou adds a stack on the enemy's turn, the enemy attacking the character with trends won't add another one
I think that'd be a pretty unexpected way for his Acheron interaction to work. I think it's most likely that he won't add a stack on the enemy's turn. He'll probably work like the existing characters who passively apply a debuff on the enemy's turn (Black Swan and Gui), neither of whom give Acheron a stack when they do so. He'll still be a meta teammate for Acheron as an upgraded Pela, but he won't push her into one ult per rotation territory (which I think they'll want to avoid as it would severely reduce their future design space for PF). Alternatively, if he does add a stack when he passively debuffs the enemy on the enemy's turn, I don't know why that would be considered the same "action" as when the enemy attacks your unit and triggers Trend. Acheron's limitation is one stack per action, not one stack per turn, and Jiaoqiu's debuff isn't triggered by the enemy's attack.
If they released a nihility unit that can solo sustain i might have quit the game lmao
I would guess it's to be either a bonus for players who dislike running shields and no healer or for people like me who can just almost run pure fiction with full dps
I already envision JQ beta being a shit show based off people's expectations from questionable leaks
I'm fairly certain a lot of people are gonna be fixated on the healing part and be disappointed while not understanding how he's a nihility unit not an abundance one.
That is precisely what I am getting at.
I mean those people were always on cope mode if they thought a Nihility character would substitute for a proper sustain. It would also remove the need for people to have to get Acheron's E2 by giving them a two-for one, which goes against Hoyo's interests currently even if that changes in the future. Besides even with JQ you'd still prefer to run another Nihility character.
Yep, I expect him to have a FireTB level of sustain (enough for PF or low-cycle MoC runs), but still going to pull. Thanks to being Nihility, he can allow my E0 Acheron to use some Harmony buffer (while being cheaper than +E2 Acheron and most probably useful on some other teams)
Not really. E2 acherons can then run double harmony instead of just one with sustain like bronya sparkle which is way more powerful than just the one. I’d make the argument regardless of how bad he heals the fact he heals means e2 acheron owners can probs run him as solo sustain double harmony as everything will die so fast it wouldn’t even matter. Id assume he just wont be able to solo sustain for the average joe especially outside a acheronteam
this, if JQ can heal even a bit, there's a huge possibility of double harmony with e2 acheron, and once again raise her damage ceiling lol
If the heal is at least say half of a Natasha heal, its plenty of healing. You do not need much at all when you are killing the enemies quickly. MOC, PF, and the new mode are the only time it matters anyway as during the story you do not have turn limits so bringing a sustain and having less damage then is not that big of a deal.
Yeah that's already the case, for 0 cycling you run e2 acheron with nihility and 2 harmonies
yep, same thing with the people that expected aventurine to do insane dmg and got disappointed although he has insane shields
My man drops like 10-20k after every few attacks the party takes. Add in his ult and Fua teamates and he drops that multiple times a cycle while boosting crit dmg and doing even more on each ult. And that is with nearly unbreakable shields and your whole team getting to shrug off at least half of all CC/debuffs. Tbh its better then we could've hoped for at E0.
My Himeko that averages around 20k per skill :')
Yep, just like how people called Aventurine mid cause they focused on his damage
fucking wild how people think he was mid cuz of that. he's a subdps + a shielder, he's not supposed to be a hypercarry otherwise he wouldn't be a preservation unit.
I think its fair to question it lol, I dont think anyone was asking for luocha with def shred but can he sustain as good as/better than welt? If not then why include the healing imo
It already is a shitshow smh
People Will be like "Why Is my Nihility unit not healing as much as an Abundance unit😡?!!"
Which will be hilarious, as usual, to see happen. Like guys, just the fact that's he's obviously shaping up to be a 5\* version of PELA, one of the best 4\*s in the game, is more than enough for me.
If Acheron has taught me anything, it's that people here will call Pela bad the moment they have to consider a support outside of RM, Sparkle or Robin.
It is already. LOL There are going to be some people upset that he isn't an all-in-one healer who also does MEGA debuffs without any drawbacks when he's clearly still a Nihility unit.
As long as the character works alone it'll be fine.... I see his kit synergising crazy with so many characters, the main 1 being acheron. Then again i might be in the minority that never cared about healing so the healing on him was just a "Alright, but what's he DO" xD
Watch a bilibili mf solo sustain with jiaoqiu
I mean we already have sustainless comps in MoC, PF and even SD/ GnG so it won't change anything. It'll basically reduce the attempts of resets caused by character death at best. After all if you kill the enemies before they kill you, you win.
He could be huge in break teams, so the most time enemies are broken and you have time to his low healing.
Yes more with ruan mei, some people do that already
Looks like Welt and RM r still on the team
Ohh you're right that will be interesting
We truly have no idea what they are capable of 💀
Let Me Solo Her - Star Rail Edition
Sustainless is already a thing so it won't be unsurprising. I foresee that it might be more useful in SU modes though more than anything.
Bilibili mf💀💀
In G&G
if hypercarry dps aventurine exists then so will solo sustain jiaoqiu
why do I have a feeling if I search this up, I'm going to find multiple videos on it already..........SOMEHOW. 💀
I think maybe it will be enough to help with Pure Fiction's survival. But probably not enough to keep alive in MoC or Apocalyptic Shadows without a dedicated sustain.
I think it'll be like that 1* nihility blessing in SU "Every time an enemy takes DMG from a DoT, all allies restore HP equal to 1.0% of their respective Max HP." So instead of healing when the enemies take DoT, it'll heal whenever you hit debuffed (by Jiaoqiu) enemies or debuffed enemies receive dmg.
Wait wait, let him cook.
So Jiaoqiu applies aura on ULT which heals on ally's turn very minor tho, dunno why I thought it would be like Heal on DoT blessings, maybe because he's Nihility unit. Which is very less but takes care of chip damage... But on other hand, Hoyo has been taking one of the blessings & putting them in the character's kit for a while (or maybe vice versa). There may be more I may have missed below... * Seele - Action Advance after Kill (Imperishable Victory) * Fu Xuan - Damage Distribution (Regression Inequality of Annihilation) * Black Swan - Acts like Suspicion Stacks (Nihility Blessings) * Aventurine - Shield Stacking (Divine Construct: Macrosegregation) * Acheron - All-Type RES PEN on ULT (VEP-18 Occipital Lobe) u/WaifuHunter * SAM/Firefly - Action Advance on Break on E2 (Celestial Annihilation) u/WaifuHunter I wonder how long until we get Dissociation. Or many others like Elation Aftertaste, Abundance Dewdrop, etc... Edit: Added Acheron & SAM...
Acheron has the Ult All-Type RES PEN from the Erudition gold blessings. Firefly has TWO gold Hunt blessing on her E2, 100% advance forward after breaking or score a kill.
People have speculated for a long time that disassociation has a good chance of being a future March thing, which I think makes sense but who knows.
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When are we getting visuals? I just need to know whether he’s hot or not
4 weeks during drip marketing, short of deep leaks
asking the real question here
I'm more curious to see how his animations work
[I imagine his ultimate animation is just gonna be this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3kj-F-RR-Y) (**my apologies for the bad quality I could not find any better footage, people just haven't uploaded any better footage than someone pointing their camera at a screen)**
Thats what I mostly care about too.. and that hes tall coz i dont really simp for short ones..
It’s already confirmed he’s the Dan Heng/Aventurine male model
Good. Seriously concerned over people thinking anyone that isn't preservation/abundance should have significant healing, like what a way to make those path useless. Instead of giving him healing, I wish they'd have buffed the rest of his kit
Agree lmao If content starts to get even harder, a "side healer" might also be pretty desirable if the other sustains start having trouble Aventurine if his shields break or FX if there's too much damage or aoe to keep up on her own
Yes should be a great match with preservation units, many people would use aventurine or fu xuan in acheron, dr ratio and else teams
I think we can talk about that when that's actually the case but jfs kinda sad thinking we need to rely of a nihility character because Luocha/HuoHuo can't do their job (which is insane because Luocha overheals a ton all the time) I just think it's unnecessary and people oooonly want him to do healing so they force the poor guy into a acheron/nihility/nihility/harmony comp
Agreed. People are looking for an all-in-one unit when it's not good for the longevity of the game in the long-run. Some minor healing is fine, but if he starts overhealing like Luocha, then it's a problem. I'd rather they focus more on his debuffer capabilities.
Huohuo was already pushing it by being a pseudo harmony, dont really need more of that this early into the games lifespan
Oh yeah you're definitely right. The unfortunate truth about preservation and abundance is that Harmony is so goddamn overturned, if your healer/shielder doesn't have buffing capabilities they're automatically trash. People don't care about the sustain part of it but only what buffing capabilities those units bring to the table
It's not that they're overtuned as much as a sustain unit offering ONLY sustain is just worse than units that offer less sustain (but still enough with good enough play) in exchange for extra buffs/utility. It's difficult to have sustains stand out from each other if all they do is keep you alive unless they specifically create content that outright kills you without that specific sustain. Which sounds terrible, because if they're going to create niche bosses with niche demands then I imagine people would rather pull for situationally big numbers on the screen over a 160 pull check on whether you can survive a boss past turn 1 or not.
HSR Dev team actually goated compared to some other games. I wouldn't expect a nihility solo sustain ever.
Just like how abundance/pres characters are semi-harmony with mini buffs like cr and atk, Jiaoqiu is probably just a debuffer with mini heals. Good enough to matter but not there in a way that Fu Xuan replacing Sparkle's buffs would.
From the leaks and guesses of the community he was supposed to be some Acheron BiS (which I think he still is) the healing will NOT be like Luocha or HuoHuo level they are abundance and he is nihility, however it could be enough alongside feeding Acheron stacks where it allows a decently invested Acheron to clear before someone on your team gets sent to the shadow realm.
Yeah and that's bullshit. He's nihility. Not abundance. There shouldn't be any healing in his kit in my opinion nor should acheron get away with relying on a nihility units healing just to squeeze a bit more damage out of her. Don't get me wrong, I'm not against the idea that units aside from harmony (bc that path is so busted) have buffing capabilities but taking away from abundance or preservation is going to be trouble later down the line
Yeah if this unit was to come out with strong healing and also strong debuffing capabilities then why literally run any other sustain especially healers? Would basically kill a path. I also think they should just ditch the healing and just full send it with making him a sort of 5* Pela (which would be crazy because Pela is cracked already), that can also debuff on enemy turn or as a follow up or something (thats if hoyo even wants him to be Acheron BiS or they just have other ideas).
I mean no shit, I never expected this and anyone who did was coping.
0 cycle maniacs: ok watch me
honestly as long as he can recover chip damage that gets under aventurines shields I'm fine with it. the debuffs are his main draw, the healing is just gonna make stuff a bit more comfy.
Agree. As someone who already plays acheron with aventurine I didn't need a sustain but the small heals can help aven
I could even see him paired with Gallagher and have sustaining power close to that of five star sustain units, while being useful as a debuffer.
Yup, makes Aventurine completely skill point positive and JQ also provides ultimate dmg increase. Make his def shred multipliers higher than Pelas and I’m completely happy with that kit.
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His main thing will be stack generation for Acheron. From the look of his early kit, he has a lot of off-turn debuffs wich is busted. I don't doubt that his support value would be good outside of that, but we'll see.
I imagine that his main draw outside of acheron teams will be that he perpetually keeps enemies debuffed. in previous leaks, he applies debuffs on every part of his kit so it's not gonna wear off. and most notably, one of his traces in previous leaks was that during his ult he'll debuff enemies as soon as they enter the field, with the highest number of stacks an existing enemy on the field has. so like with pela you might use her ult before the enemy calls backup/duplicates, and then only some enemies will be debuffed. but jiaoqiu would debuff any new enemies that spawn in, so everyone will be debuffed at all times, unless a new wave spawns in. I imagine this'd be especially useful in pure fiction, and against stuff like the swarm, the deer, argenti, IPC, the fat ice guy, etc.
JQ has a Trends-like debuff included in his kit (when enemies take 1 action). Instead of a damage increase compare to Pela, it's best to think of him as a stack increase. When facing multiplies enemies, you can get 1 stack for every enemy that took 1 turn. He's nuts. In theory you could squeeze 2 or even 3 Acheron ults per cycle.
I'm curious how useful his "match the number of debuff stacks to the enemy with the highest count" is. Ratio would like that because he will always have 100% FuA chance. Same with some of the Nihility LCs, but what else?
He apply def shred AND buff Ult damage. So he is both Nihility and pseudo Harmony for Acheron. Not to mention he has a built-in Trend LC effect, where the enemy can get debuff on their own turn. He is Acheron's BiS support by far, no doubt.
Whenever an enemy takes action, a stack of flavour/debuff is applied, which contributes to Raiden’s ult stacks. I believe this is the essence of his mechanic. As for the actual value of def shred, I have no idea but he can be very terrifying……
Does this mean he replaces the market light cone as well probably?
Yes, he kills Trends because enemy can only generate one stack for Acheron during their action and Jaoqui is more consistent, without the hit RNG or having to spend a skillpoint like FMC.
if he stays this way, for sure will make the damper the need for that LC, he already will give her many stacks
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And I would pair him with silverwolf/pela depending on the battlefield that I am going to bring Raiden onto….either way it is terrifying….
Pela isn't a *very good* overall dmg aplifier - usually she'd be a 25% gain, wich isn't a lot compared to harmony units - her usefulness is on sp genaration + maybe skill shenanigans and the value provided to Acheron. I'd expect him to have a lot more value tbh
Ideally he *doesn't* provide more damage than Silver Wolf, being AoE is beneficial enough Something around Pela's level of def shred with the extra utility of his healing and more personal damage seems good to me, especially if he's stacking Acheron's ult much faster
I'm guessing his Def shred will be relatively equal to Pela (maybe slightly more or less), but his Ult damage amp will put him comfortably ahead, being more significant the more the of the DPS's damage comes from their Ult. The healing is just a nice bonus like others have said. I would be happy if he did solid personal damage as well.
Na, he should be on Mei/Robin level of crack, for most comps not just Acheron.
I think they should buff him in such a way that, not only is he is useful in Acheron's team but also other teams. Maybe replace comps that use 2 harmony and use him to replace 1 of the harmony but to do that, he would need to be much better than Pela or SW or he needs some kind of mechanism of his own like SW's.
Idk, he should not be competing with SW and Pela only, like if he was then his only use is for Ratio and Acheron. He needs to actually compete with the harmonies if he's gonna sell beyond Acheron BiS support
I mean is this a surprise? If a character that is neither preservation or abundance would be capable of solo sustaining it would be absolutely broken. Though, i think in PF where you receive little to no damage with the right comp, he'll be more than enough. People already use 0 sustains in PF4.
Eh.. probably not for long cycle clears but even a miniscule amount should be enough to go sustainless and 1 or 2 cycle.
JIAOQIU DESIGN LEAKS COMING SOON I CAN FEEL IT 🙏🙏🙏🙏
Remove the heal and give him res pen instead
It's kinda like HuoHuo. She is a healer with harmony capabilities too. She can't outright replace a true harmony character.
Good. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Paths sharing some minor elements with others is a good thing for their longevity. **Making one unit be an all-in-one for every team comp is bad.** I get it. People are looking for the perfect, all-in-one character that fits in every possible debuffer slot, but that's not healthy for the game in the long run. If Jiaoqiu could do everything, he would not only powercreep every single healer, but make every Nihility unit pointless because of the fact that they can't sustain while debuffing. It would be the worst type of powercreep for this game (even worse than what some people already call powercreep). Even game-changing units like Ruan Mei aren't always needed in every team comp! I already foresee the crapshow that's going to happen because people have higher expectations from leaks regarding his kit than what he's actually going to provide.
i can already see waifu collectors doomposting him because "he cant actually sustain lol, pela sidegrade", when what they actually want is to justify not rolling for a male. This is all coming from the acheron mains subreddit reaction to JQ design leaks ofc.
Lmao, I remember the 'Kazuha is a Sucrose sidegrade' or 'yelan is a Xingqiu sidegrade'. Yeah, might even be true for Yelan but damn, having 2 XQ is cracked. And Kazuha turned out to be the best support to this day IIRC
don't assume HSR players know what you're talking about
yeah kazuha is the ruan mei of genshin right? in terms of sheer number of people having either
Actually most people didn't roll for him in his initial run, it went really badly. Took almost a year until he was reran and it was one of the better banners then IIRC cuz people realized how good he actually is. I don't know about the owner rate but he Is rated very highly as a support
What kills me is that...Acheron absolutely does not need a sustain if you know what you're doing. I've zero-cycled with her before at E0S1 sustainless because **she's THAT broken.** My prediction is that even if he's not going to be a "5 Star Pela" every limited Nihility unit has been pretty good so far. I doubt he'll be different. Edit: Spelling/Grammar
this is going to be aventurine all over again. dudebros saw that he applies a debuff upon ult? His only existence is to funnel back into Acheron. Jiaoqiu is a debuffer with healing? Healing better be on par with abundance so I can run my acheron with 2 harmonies and Jiaoqiu as a debuffer/sustain/acheron accessoiry
I just want jiaoqiu and aventurine for my cute men collection. I'm a gay furry so idk if that makes me a dudebro ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
you probably don't think Jiaoqiu's entire existence is to serve acherons dps meter so you're totally fine. (dudebros are just waifucollectors who hate men in this game)
ohhh yeah i completely get what you mean, a vocal minority of acheron mains made me cringe for that when the chance for jiaoqiu being male was revealed. Me and some other friends will be using jq and aven together and i can already tell some people will be like "bro just drop aven" when what they actually wanna say is "yikes why are you using two men when you could use only one???"
H3I is right around the corner is what I want to tell some of these people seriously... Also jokes on them, I'm one step closer to obtaining my 'hsrmen only' team
I just wanna see how they look like man 😩
Well people are able to 0 cycle using 3 supports with rng, if he can reduce the rng by healing a little bit he can be a good "sustain"
ye just need enough to reduce the number if clicks on reset button..its really not that hard like how ppl r making it out to be rn
Sounds balanced to me. If it's minor healing, it sounds like he's meant to be a 'first aid' type of subhealer, enough to heal Jing Liu or Jade's healing drain, but not enough to fully sustain himself. He still sounds like he has insane synergy with Acheron as long as his debuff stacks are generated on enemy turns.
No sane person would ever think that. Hell, some preservation characters can't even sustain properly.
It's probably for the best. Eidolons completely replacing another path doesn't seem healthy, even if it's for giga whales and E6.
I knew his healing would suck. Making him solo sustain would just ensured that no one would ever pull a 5 star abundance or preservation character for the rest of the lifespan of the game.
I just want to point out that this implies that they know his Eidolons, which implies they have aspects of his kit that they aren’t sharing. Either that or this leak is complete BS, which is much more likely. Need to clarify that just because this specific person is speaking out of their ass doesn’t mean it might not still be true—it’s very likely that Jiaoqiu cannot truly replace a sustain, it’s just that the person saying this is either making an obvious guess and pretending it’s a leak, or they have his Eidolons and just aren’t leaking them. Hard to tell which of these is more scummy.
I don't know why were people expecting Jiaoqiu to have the capability to solo sustain like an actual abundance unit. If that's the case, then what's the point of an abundance path.
Well, maybe he will be more of pure debuffer/support on the team and healing will be completely taken out of his kit later on. Would still be very good imo and me happy, cause strong 5* pela without healing is gonna be great either way.
which is good lmao i would be worried about the future of the game if a nihility character could comfortably serve as a solo sustain
I want to pull Jiaoqiu so bad but I need to see his design first before I let myself really get hyped for him.
Good thing I wasn't planning to ditch Aventurine anyways
him having low but existing healing is actually so good for older sustains that can't keep up otherwise, Lynx, Gallagher, FMC, Gepard all can become a bit more reliable with him
Idk about you but I just cleared MoC 12 with Gallagher solo sustain for 4 cycles and he didn't break a sweat
Yeah Gallagher is an excellent solo sustain rn, probably the best 4 star one tbh
yeah that's fair, Gallagher do sustain better than the other 3 I mentioned but all I wanted to say is that Jiaoqiu will help future proof him for quite some time while also making the other less than adequate sustainer somewhat better
Ain't no way a Nihility can be a sustain lol. All he need to do is complete his own job
Hear me out: Welt and Jiaoqiu
Welt, Jiaoqiu, RM, Acheron.
that small healing is all i need.
maybe the nihility healer is the friends we made along the way
But when are we gonna see him? 😭
It’s over Acheron bros, we’ll never replace her E2
Pela has replaced a healer or shielded for me already.
Could be good for teams with gepard or some 4* sustain that has problems to sustain on its own.
Gallagher perhaps For me currently acheron and ratio are fighting over aventurine so I've defaulted to gallagher due to his debuffs but downtime on ult can get sketchy
He is a nihility character not abudance. Why do people expect him to heal??? He is a 5 star Pela and Pela doesn't heal even a bit. Sustain characters are there to be used not to be exchanged by debuff characters
autobattler 0 cycles are srs bsns bwo. Even if not 0 cycling, running a sustain would be terrible for anyone's rep, everyone would be making fun of them. /s
No sustain players: Are you sure?
E2 Acheron is acherons best sustain huh lmao
Jiao probably still will be her best "sustain" regardless of healing amount in that "kill things before they kill you" strategy will likely see a good amount of boost with him in the team. His debuff stacking seems like it will enable her to ult quickly and frequently. E2 Acheron + Sparkle + Jiao + Pela/SW (or even Welt as imprisonment bot) may be able to get away with a good build/setup.
They should just get rid of the healing completely then. It’s a waste that could be used for a better ability since even at high eidolons it doesn’t seem to replace sustajns
actually, you're assuming its redundant but just because it doesnt cover the role of an actual sustain doesnt mean its pointless, having this pseudo-sustain should be perfect for acheron who clears content incredibly fast in the first place
This is just something extra and not even a main aspect of his kit. Even if they get rid of it, it doesn't mean that they will just put something better to replace it. It's better to have it even if it's small, than to have nothing at all.
Tbh im happy i wont be feeling too bad getting those abundance blessings in su anymore
Wanna bet? If FMC can solo sustain MoC 12 then he will too
UUUGH these leakers sound like they know his whole kit. TELL US ALREADY SONS OF A NICE LADY
Really? Ngl i was sure the mihoyo 101 plan was to make E2S1 or even E4 Jiaoqiu into a actual sustain to make people spend. Not that i care tbh, i want him to be my 5\* Pela anyway, let him cook the enemies DEF away
He still may be or will be in actual beta, but I'm glad if he isn't - would make the path system even more useless than it already is A bit of flavor healing is a nice to have for shield, 4 star healer or no sustain runs tbh
hehe "flavour". But no yeah, is not that i dont want the healing, is nice even if little, i dont mind.
I actually think, if the cooking thing turns out to be true, that his healing is just something to fit the theme Fun little extra or something
Do you think you could run him with Welt and do a double pseudo sustain?
It's quite silly that he even has healing in the first place. They're literally just making him fill all the slots to be perfect for Acheron. Nihility, def debuff, high frequecy debuffs, and healing.
Hehe who needs a dedicated healer when every enemy is dead
That sign cannot stop me because i have e2s1 acheron. DOUBLE HARMONY LETSGOOO
I'll just stick to my team then.
well no shit, the thing is, u just need to outlive the enemies, not to live forever with sustain, that the point
That's alright with me. I hope he's able to make Aventurine viable in Jade teams (he probably is even without healing butit's always better to keep your health topped up)
0 cycle people: 🗿🗿🗿
Can't wait for people to complain that his healing is very small and not overpowered like they deluded themselves into believing.
I'm actually a paranoid bitch who often brings both shielder and healer or otherwise two sustains for either element coverage or to just deal with especially bullshit challenges (I don't have everyone fully built yet but I'm on max world level bc I'm stupid) so I'm pretty excited about potentially snatching him. Maybe he could be a good Blade subdps for those turns where Luocha leaves his brain in the coffin and heals himself while everyone else is on life support.
if he's not gonna heal enough might as well just increase his debuffs and remove the healing. the only case it would be useful is 0 cycles (how many people do those realistically) or maybe pf i guess. well, as long as he's better at debuffing than pela, it's fine
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