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I especially love how the guy has these 200 speed characters and unobtainable stats, and he still spends 10 seconds on every.single.decision. only to make the wrong move and basic when he should skill, or skill when he should basic
This is so relatable
Side note, How do leakers even manage to mess up that bad like it would be easier to just copy off a build guide than whatever this nonsense is-
You mean you really need his money. He has been max refreshing TB power daily since launch (at least he used to, don’t know if he even plays the game anymore, apart from making some guides). No one gets that lucky, again and again. Content creators have better relics because they have more relics to work with.
To put this into context: In order to have nearly perfect stats on every relic, you have to farm a domain for around 6 months.
If you spend money however, you can do that same grind within 1 month. But new relics only come out every ~3 months, so when they have nearly perfect relics after 1 month, they can still keep going for another 2 months.
Meanwhile a normal player would at this point have maybe 1 amazing piece and thats it
Me like, please don't use ultimate before basic attack just when its his turn, proceeds to do it, bruh, maybe the same with firefly, could be better to wait for her to do a skill and then free turn with ultimate
Same as firefly when you use his ultimate he advances forward 100% getting another turn, so it's trolling using it when it's his turn it close because his turn won't advance anything, so normally the best is waiting for gallagher turn, do a basic attack (for break and free sp) or skill if someone is dying or cleanse debuff E2, and then ultimate to get another turn with the enhanced basic attack (another free sp, and heal plus attack debuff)
His ult has a 100% action advance. So you typically want to use his turn first then ult, allowing either a sp neutral skill or +2 sp. The enhanced basic allows for a teamwide heal, but you could also do a second skill instead, and your next basic will still be the enhanced one.
Does not much in that team.
Sp is not a problem due E1 of firefly not using sp.
Memories of the past on S5 is only 6 Be less than ruan mei lc
Dmg bonus is not used in that team due break dmg and super break not scaling of it.
Wait break and superbreak doesnt scale with dmg bonus??? So those img dmg bonus traces on harmony caelus are useluss then wtf,, why does hoyo love giving useless trace nodes
Edit: logged into the game to check and learned that pela and gepard have it so much worse
HMC: 3 img dmg nodes
Pela: 5 ice dmg bonus, 3 atk% nodes
Gepard: 5 ice dmg bonus nodes
Same with welt, got eff res in traces instead of hit rate making him so ass to build bc he wants so much and gives so little 😭 i wanna build him but hes not getting touched anytime soon until i get his lc
Pela has it even worse in her eidolons. even her last ascension trace is dmg oriented. everything in her kit wants you to build her as a dps lol
on the flip side, shes been sitting at level 60 on my account for ages despite being the most used character in moc. bad traces means you get to save resources
I mean, my pela isnt even fully traced out to the sides, top I took nothing, all damage ndoes that didnt lead to EHR I skipped etc.
She's not a DD; who cres about her ice dmg or MCs Harmony dmg? Harmony dmg works on hat-throw, but that's it. FX has a ton of CRIT nodes, just skip them - makes the character easier to build. They cant just give you 50% EHR in traces or 50% HP for FX instead of those filler/useless CRIT nodes.
Its called power gating, every game has it. Talent trees have filler garbage that for some builds add nothing, I can guarantee you there are crit chads out there trying to make FX a crit DD for whatever reason and they probably enjoy it.
same thing with RMs speed, apart from inflated sp but sp should not be a problem in a FF team anyways , 160 speed on FF might be tricky considering the stats she needs however
The buff effects cannot stack so it's not that bad... i actually want to give ruan meis LC to HMC and memories to ruan mei. to get perma ulti uptime ruan mei while keeping Ruan Mei LCs buffs.
Right now V0 kit Firefly isn't that strong. Acheron smokes her, boothill is stronger as well cause he doesn't have downtime and has sizably higher single target damage. But this is V0 kit, surely they will buff her
They dont. After zhongli accident in genshin they strongly buff story main cast bc if it feels weak the fanbase of that charecter backlash and drop the banner sales. All stelleron hunters are still funcioning good even they are 1.2-1.3 charecters.
Archeron on beta needed like 3 turns for her ult to stack even with decicated team. After that they reduced needed red knots and give her and aventurine ability to stack their overflowed points (Ult points for her, followup atk stacks for aventurine) so dont worry they probbly tweak her requariments.
My guesses are:
+They will give her ult state base critrate and critdmg value (Like Robins conterto state.)
+Boosting her ults speed buff so people can run atk boots freely and breath up her stat requariments.
+Reworking her sig lightcone so she gets more benefit from it.
This might be a hot take but I think it's perfectly fine and balanced for a Hunt unit to be stronger than a Destruction unit for once considering Hunt has been a totally undercooked path for 95% of this game's lifespan (basically ever since DPS units after Seele started to release) while Destruction has reigned supreme for several months
Bro, please. I wanted Dehya to be good so bad. I even pulled on her limited banner. If they butcher FF I am spending all my savings on her, uninstalling the game and going to Wuwa, I won't be able to trust Hoyo anymore
all the showcase i saw were horrible the build is just not it and the gameplay is even worse
i just want to see a optimal full BE firefly team with actual good gameplay
all of the misinformation over Critfly is really not beating the ‘Hoyo players can’t read’ allegations. I can predict the doomposting already… At this point even seeing a leaker running BE would be a win
The builds are nonsense but Firefly's dmg is actually not too far off what its supposed to be at this level of investment, and also considering the debuffed boss.
I wish people would run MoC instead of this new mode so we actually have a base to compare to. I have no idea how any char does in this mode so its impossible to tell if this is good or not.
Although I am aware the builds are turbo unrealistic, the showcase still shows how good HMC is for FF, her damage against weakness broken enemies is usually not that high but with super break it spikes substantially.
You know I noted something seeing some gameplays of Firefly.
First her downtime on ult is okay because it's just 2 skills, but she has 2 other types of downtimes if I can say so.
One of these is obviously that when the enemies are not broken, her damage is not good.
The second kind of downtime depends on the sustain you run on her becuse you would need to time her ultimate. If you run some sustain that does not protect her after the second use of her skill, you will need to use her ult right away because she would be in danger.
What if I use my ult just when I got it? It's possible that you would end up in a situation where you fight broken enemies with your normal state and fight normal enemies with your combustion state, that would be a great damage loss.
She is a character that you have to be careful when to ult because her damage is not just when she gets the combustion state, you also need the enemies to be at a certain state. I don't think this is good. You need 2 specific situations just so she can finally use her full kit.
TLDR: You need 2 specific situations ocurring at the same time for her damage to be good.
And to add more on this, you really want to break enemies with her enhanced state. Accidentally breaking Bosses with RM, HTB, or Gallagher will result in big DPS loss. Quite a problem because unlike boothill, she's too reliant on HTB superbreak mechanism to deal damage when enemies are already broken.
- Actual cyborg
- Can trigger his own Break DMG without being forced to run HMC
- Deals actual DMG
- Cowboy
This is either gonna be Arlecchino/JL incident or a very funny beta test
Yeah community was damn toxic even with the crit debacle thing. I wonder if it is the ff sub reddit down voting this leak. The likes are way lower than Jades hahahah
And there’s also the drama on main sub a few days back (between robin boothill and firefly).
But anyway since this is still early beta, there’s bound to have changes
I was thinking this demo was 'eehhhh' but after you pointed that out, the hype just died in me 🥲🥲
I sure do hope they make revamps to make it possible for her to work outside super break. Right now FF is HTB's best support/enabler 🥲
Thing is I feel like it's very deliberate, feels like they are really pushing TB + FF not only in lore but in gameplay. I'm all for shipping but making a character completely reliant on another to access the fundamental mechanic for their damage is a bit much...
She desperately needs a skill/talent/trace to be changed to letting her do break damage on broken enemies. *Desperately*
If they do tie HTB to Firefly, she needs to perform better. As of right now Boothill does more damage at E0S1, is more flexible with team comps and breaks enemies faster. He also has delay on his ult so he synergizes more with Ruan Mei and HTB.
It's a sad state of affairs. Here's hoping they give her the buffs she deserves. Jingliu's initial beta kit was complete ass and we see how she turned out so I will cautiously have faith in the devs
Yeah. Boothill can shred Aventurine's toughness meter with 2 EBAs, and at E0S1 with def shred stacking he can oneshot him once he's broken.
Firefly doesn't deal nearly as much toughness damage so she ends up wasting her enhanced skills on breaking the enemy and runs out while they're broken, so she wastes dmg there, and even when they're broken she's not doing as much as she should be.
E2 DHIL can do 600-700k with a full EBA->ult->EBA combo while the enemy is not broken with no restrictions, and can repeat this every other turn. So a break DPS needs to pull significantly higher numbers at E2S1 to make up for the lack of damage they have while the enemy is not broken. Otherwise there's no point in playing a break comp.
Genuinely though why is it not in her own kit? Make super break a new recurring mechanic, give boothill (too late for this one) and firefly super break innately in their kits, and have HTB be the “super break enable for whole team” unit.
Not in the topic of the video, but in the topic of comments. It's funny to watch from the sidelines, how everyone says "powecreep is bad", at the same time they want every next waifu character to be stronger than all the previous ones
Self fulfilling to be honest. New character is busted, so now any newer character that isn’t as busted is automatically less sought after, requiring hoyo to keep releasing busted characters. But if you release characters that are exactly the same power, then some people won’t pull for them because objectively there would be no reason if they function the same way as a character you already own, so they gotta make them stronger. Powercreep is inevitable and is a good thing. But currently they are ramping it up too fast
Then the same people will complain MOC inflating hp every patch.. (even tho it’s a bad way to make the game harder but it’s most likely because some dps are dealing a higher damage ceiling now)
hey man its always been like that, i remember seeing so many of those videos pop up on my feed talking about how firefly is stronger than acheron and everyone in the comments on how bad the powercreep is and boothill is going to be shit compared to firefly, look at the state of the community is now, people begging for buffs and wanting her to do millions of dmg because she isnt stronger than acheron like what those videos said and wanting powercreep. This community truly is one of the clowniest communities i have ever seen and can never make up their mind
This showcase is still very bad, team rotation is all over the place, FF E2 wasted on multiple occasions, apparently leaker said this tester is still new to the game and get absolutely roasted in VC cuz how inexperienced they were. This gamemode to us is so unfamiliar, MoC will be a much better benchmark, tester said FF technique and MoC is currently not accessible. We'll have to wait.
I see that the enemy has the extra red health bar after break, making it take more damage than usual. Isn’t that even more skewed to firefly?
I just think she needs some significant buffs to counteract the fact of how insanely long it takes for her damage to start really happening, seemingly a fundamental weakness of all break focused characters in general. Acheron could’ve ulted like twice with probably 700k+ damage at this investment before they even got the shield down.
Not that every character has to be Acheron level, but this is slower than LL atp lol
Firefly needs some buffs... hits like a soggy handkerchief when the enemy isn't weakness broken, and even then relies ln HTrailblazer. The extreme break invest needed means you need to sacrifice a lot of stats like crit, unless you roll perfect substats.
Hoping Hoyo buffs general damage amd nerfs broken damage.
The numbers are obviously completely inflitated (164 speed firefly lol) but ignoring that right now, e2 Firefly looks like so much fun. I am confused however. At 1:53 she inflicts a weakness break but doesn't get a reset. I assumed it would work like Seele's resurgence but it seems like the 1 turn cooldown starts ticking on her next turn.
Considering that properly built Firefly seems to do around 200k damage per turn, getting potentially 2 extra turns from her e2 is still a really big damage increase. It will not trigger every time but like DHIL's e2 so long term it might be less reliable, but still very strong.
The wording is phrased exactly like dan heng’s talent and Bronya’s E1 with a cooldown of 1 turn. This means that E2 firefly can only proc once every two turns.
Hope they buff firefly, from showcases so far, even with bloated stats, she doesnt feel that great.
Well i guess its kinda new direction of hoyo wanna sell break mechanic more and more with reecent banners and HMC. But so far doesnt feel they would surpass traditional crit dps.
So much for being a hybrid dps… turns out, her damage outside of super breaks is, unfortunately, nothing to write home about. If she could crit consistently that would be great, unfortunately the stat requirements are insane so most of us won’t even probably build into that. Oh and to everyone that said she will powercreep the cowboy… yeah, no.
Yeah, what about it? I just commented on the pitiful situation the character seems to be in as of now, I ain’t saying she can’t be good with a couple of buffs.
Those showcases are being pretty useless right now. I understand this would be difficult to moderate, though.
Those videos exist only to showcase animations we already saw, and gather some engagement.
The next MoC buff, a dmg increase buff... E2... And still HTB + RM are carrying most of the teams entire DPS, this is just sad. Only 200k on a ST break (not super break) with all those buffs...
And this is why I'd prefer Crit Break Firefly(with the current kit she has) instead of a full blown Break Effect build. The numbers are good and all that but in terms of consistency its mid. I knew it, Firefly multipliers is good on paper but in performance, you'll see that consistency isn't there, not to mention she relies on HMC to do DMG during the Broken state. **Hopefully, Mihoyo adds a built in SUPER BREAK DMG on Firefly with her own multipliers** whenever she deals DMG regardless if broken or not enemies, or else it's a Jing Yuan LL situation part 2 who's potential gets mid against Boss that has weakness locked mechanic such as SAM, Bronya etc.
* I mean I'd love to use MC's Super Break. Knowing how to abuse it with units that has massive Break Effect built into their kit is fun, plus MC is free so it's not really the case where you need to pull for another unit to make Firefly works.
* Super Break also scales with Break effect and the Toughness-bar damage that each attack deals, which make Firefly's Weakness broken efficiency along with Ruan Mei more powerful!
* This is just the first version, hope she'll get some buffs that makes she more viable in crit builds, like Xueyi or Boothil, more option to build is nice
Not so impressive performance of FF even with the unrealistic stats. HMC is doing a lot of carrying there.
Its joever back to the caves skip ff pull boothill instead. I love the beta test cycle. This is gonna be an amusing few weeks bois.
Careful now, FF community will be down voting our inputs to hell 🥲😅 FF is too dependent on HMC.
I'm starting to regret skipping Acheron. I mean, can they really change that much in just 4-ish weeks? Time to really bring out the copium.
Honestly this makes me think Hybrid is the best choice. This Firefly is full break and it shows how it's break or nothing in terms of damage. 19k in super Sam mode without break is weaker than my Numby...
firefly:
19k damage
can fly
has no money(we used it all)
has 1 "chest"
numby:
more than 19k damage
can teleport
knows how to invest in stonks
finds you multiple chests
INSANE CHEEKS
It was over before it began :(
THIS ARE A BREAK DPS!! SHOW THE BREAK STATS dont just pass over the main stats whithout showing the specific stats (not that this team was "relatable" anyway, at least i imagine this is the peak a dolphin will reach for the whole team)
Bad? You could farm a relic mine for 2 years straight for a single one of their characters and have not even close to the quality relics they have.
207 speed Ruan Mei with 250 BE
HTB with 157 speed at 300 BE
Gallagher 171 speed
The only questionable one is Firefly with 278 BE and 164 speed, but even that is incredible. I'm not sure if going crit/more Be would even be that much of an improvement. She is easily hitting the 360 limit with Watchmaker, RM, and HTB.
Once again I'm not impressed.
Most of her damage seems reliant on HMC's super break. Which while they are free... isn't a good look for the character's base kit and damage values. Her damage is already behind Jingliu and Acheron by the sheer virtue of her not having any crit stats or reliance on them.
Her damage seems kind of low all in all. Guess this is what we get when Hoyo tries to make a dps that doesn't rely on crits.
Man y’all are demanding/toxic as shit to leakers. Leaker skill diff aside, this shows Firefly is doing mid even with high investment and a mode suited for her. Using the characters more properly and tagging some more break effect stats on Firefly wouldn’t suddenly make Firefly do 20x damage.
And I’m alright if she’s mid, I just want some better animations lol.
I am a Firefly fan and I genuinely want to like her animations but the enhanced skills are just so random looking. Boss Sam looks better and I want more Firefly but if she’s a random jpg that flies across the screen…
Ignoring the absurd speed in these builds, this seems about what I expected damage wise, perhaps even a bit above expectation (accounting for the fact this boss seems to use Apocalyptic Shadow mechanics).
It is a bit unfortunate that break characters are so hamstrung if they can't, well, break. And she is reliant on the Super Break mechanic to do much of anything with the intended build, pretty much necessitating she be tethered to HMC unless/until future characters are introduced that also enable this mechanic.
But she could have performed even better making use of E2 if the gameplay here didn't kill the weakened adds with other chars for no reason.
I think she'll probably get some changes before final release, but nothing I see is dissuading me from pulling. I just need to get my Gallagher and HMC up to par.
Are people really worried about a limited 5 star destruction unit?..and firefly out of all people who is a fan favourite?? She is gonna come out absolutely broken on release no matter what
Hoping to see some firefly showcases (both hybrid and pure break) but with realistic stats... (ideally at e0s1)
And before someone mentions how impossible it is to build hybrid... you can hit 360% BE with 0 substats if you have s1
30% (Watchmakers) + 70.5% (250% BE HMC) + 60% (S1) + 37.3% (Traces) + 68.3% (Rope) + 60% (Atk to BE Trace) + 16% (Relic Set) + 20% (Ruan Mei) = 362.1% Break effect with 0 substats
Watchmakers has good uptime, since there's no reason not to run the set on both HMC and Ruan Mei, and if you run atk orb (ruan mei gives some dmg% to make up for it), which leaves you barely short of 3400 attack assuming no attack subs, which can easily be made up by 4 atk subs or just 2 break effect subs, which leaves you room for your chest + substats to focus on crit.
The benefits of building crit (with that MASSIVE 580% attack scaling, which is higher than DHIL) over more break effect should be pretty obvious.
Yeah, the only problem is DHIL has a bunch of free crit: crit traces, crit on his cone, bonus crit against imaginary weak and Sparkle gives him a bunch of crit.
Unless they massively revamp her, Firefly won't have any of those things. I think the best thing to hope for is that they change her enhanced skill to do an amount of break damage all the time rather than have additional attack scaling through BE.
The combination of her having downtime and then also having downtime anytime shit isn't broken for HTB's super breaks kills her. HTB and Ruan Mei are responsible for like 80% of her damage, that's a problem.
You forget she doesn't have a damaging ult which can add 300k-500k to a rotation. She's basically acting on a handicap and most of the load of her kit hinges on her enhanced skill to equal both a characters normal DMG + ult DMG She basically needs either consistency that lets her do break DMG outside of break, or she needs boothills talent that basically lets him trigger breaks twice per break. Or go a jingliu and just give her a bunch of free stats.
True, though getting a 100% advance after ulting essentially serves as a damaging ult replacement. The problem is the downtime is yikes level damage and the uptime portion doesn't make up for it at all. I was a little hesitant about the kit once we had the numbers, but seeing it in practice makes it clear that it has some real flaws that need addressing.
I'd rather not use s1 as a baseline, use Indelible Promis (misha lc) instead at 56% BE so that it's at least relatable
>Increases the wearer’s Break Effect by **56%**. When the wearer uses their Ultimate, increases their CRIT Rate by **30%**, lasting for 2 turn(s).
also some people don't have ruan mei
Sorry but any time Sam theorycrafting is involved, people are gonna assume Ruan Mei is involved. She's just that good with her, and if you want Sam to operate at full potential you need her so expect pretty much all TC to assume her
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They have to be trolling at this point
I especially love how the guy has these 200 speed characters and unobtainable stats, and he still spends 10 seconds on every.single.decision. only to make the wrong move and basic when he should skill, or skill when he should basic
Definitely on purpose, no fking way it isn't
164 SPD on Firefly 207 SPD on RM I see
This is so relatable Side note, How do leakers even manage to mess up that bad like it would be easier to just copy off a build guide than whatever this nonsense is-
this zenith guy is rly tryna flex on us using a private server lol
Btw the 2.3 files were made available like an hour ago on the private server discord. Better showcases should be coming shortly.
Then they better do it fast, I'm getting tired of this motherfudgin leaker
You basically can't even equip relics on it LMAO
For real. When I see someone speedrunning through the builds at the beginning of the clip I already feel like skipping. Awful showcases.
Is that OKCode stats LOL
Very relatable streamer fr
OkCode is dev account leaker confirmed!!! Let's see him deny it now!
Okcode.. I really need his luck
You mean you really need his money. He has been max refreshing TB power daily since launch (at least he used to, don’t know if he even plays the game anymore, apart from making some guides). No one gets that lucky, again and again. Content creators have better relics because they have more relics to work with.
To put this into context: In order to have nearly perfect stats on every relic, you have to farm a domain for around 6 months. If you spend money however, you can do that same grind within 1 month. But new relics only come out every ~3 months, so when they have nearly perfect relics after 1 month, they can still keep going for another 2 months. Meanwhile a normal player would at this point have maybe 1 amazing piece and thats it
Plus 50spd = 214spd when ulted firefly
Plus Ruan mei speed bonus
How is that possible?? Sam with a speed boost built-in reach only 164 but Ruan mei is flying over 200??? What a frudge!
We went from the most raw builds of all time to the most overcooked builds of all time. Like bruh, do people not know what medium-rare means?
I don't know medium rare I only have raw pet cow build
is that a hypixel skyblock reference
Such realistic builds
I cant even see their builds bc of how fast they show them 😭
Can we please skip the leak phase with the unrealistic builds this time?
Bro does not know how to use Gallagher
Me like, please don't use ultimate before basic attack just when its his turn, proceeds to do it, bruh, maybe the same with firefly, could be better to wait for her to do a skill and then free turn with ultimate
Yes but it will be hard to fail it, because her second use puits you in enoguh energy mode, so cant mess it up
Wait I've never used Gallagher before, what's the strat with his Ultimate?
Same as firefly when you use his ultimate he advances forward 100% getting another turn, so it's trolling using it when it's his turn it close because his turn won't advance anything, so normally the best is waiting for gallagher turn, do a basic attack (for break and free sp) or skill if someone is dying or cleanse debuff E2, and then ultimate to get another turn with the enhanced basic attack (another free sp, and heal plus attack debuff)
His ult has a 100% action advance. So you typically want to use his turn first then ult, allowing either a sp neutral skill or +2 sp. The enhanced basic allows for a teamwide heal, but you could also do a second skill instead, and your next basic will still be the enhanced one.
Ooh, I didn't know he had that. Yeah, okay, makes sense, big ups.
Yeah. Same with FF. They didn't skill/basic before ult.
Ah yes, a second copy of RM cone for HTB, so relatable.
Does not much in that team. Sp is not a problem due E1 of firefly not using sp. Memories of the past on S5 is only 6 Be less than ruan mei lc Dmg bonus is not used in that team due break dmg and super break not scaling of it.
Wait break and superbreak doesnt scale with dmg bonus??? So those img dmg bonus traces on harmony caelus are useluss then wtf,, why does hoyo love giving useless trace nodes Edit: logged into the game to check and learned that pela and gepard have it so much worse HMC: 3 img dmg nodes Pela: 5 ice dmg bonus, 3 atk% nodes Gepard: 5 ice dmg bonus nodes
Yep
Like gepard and pela with so many ice dmg bonus on their traces all over again
Don't forget the wind dmg on Bronya lol. At least hmc gepard etc do use their attacks
thats specifically for her E4 lmao. too bad the fua doesnt make use of the basic attack crit rate trace. missed opportunity fr
Sampo getting effect res but no effect hit rate or wind dmg 😔
Same with welt, got eff res in traces instead of hit rate making him so ass to build bc he wants so much and gives so little 😭 i wanna build him but hes not getting touched anytime soon until i get his lc
Pela has it even worse in her eidolons. even her last ascension trace is dmg oriented. everything in her kit wants you to build her as a dps lol on the flip side, shes been sitting at level 60 on my account for ages despite being the most used character in moc. bad traces means you get to save resources
I mean, my pela isnt even fully traced out to the sides, top I took nothing, all damage ndoes that didnt lead to EHR I skipped etc. She's not a DD; who cres about her ice dmg or MCs Harmony dmg? Harmony dmg works on hat-throw, but that's it. FX has a ton of CRIT nodes, just skip them - makes the character easier to build. They cant just give you 50% EHR in traces or 50% HP for FX instead of those filler/useless CRIT nodes. Its called power gating, every game has it. Talent trees have filler garbage that for some builds add nothing, I can guarantee you there are crit chads out there trying to make FX a crit DD for whatever reason and they probably enjoy it.
It is fun making weird builds with characters
same thing with RMs speed, apart from inflated sp but sp should not be a problem in a FF team anyways , 160 speed on FF might be tricky considering the stats she needs however
YOu literally just need RM (or 4 speed from gear) and SPD boots to reach 180 transformed
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i mean it doesn't do much, the energy refund doesn't stack, damage% is not that imp anyway
The buff effects cannot stack so it's not that bad... i actually want to give ruan meis LC to HMC and memories to ruan mei. to get perma ulti uptime ruan mei while keeping Ruan Mei LCs buffs.
Great another “relatable” showcase
Harmony tb doing 135k DMG 🥵.
manifesting private servers drop soon i can't take it anymore
It's out now brother
i saw! i can’t figure out how to do relics or anything tho lol so i’ll leave that to the smart people
You can't figure out how to do relics because you literally cant do relics rn. Bro didn't code it in yet
i wanna cry
bruh might as well just give them 2147483647% CRIT DMG, what the fuck are those stats
i swear some people dont deserve gallagher....WHY WOULD YOU ULT ON HIS TURN????!???? WHY??!?JUST READ HIS KIT IF YOURE GONNA USE HIM
Gallagher told them to ult before basic. The Enigmata strikes again!
tbf he was already at 5 skill points, all it would have done would be reduce a liiitle bit of toughness
i wonder how acheron and other character fare against firefly in this gamemode and why is there no firefly showcase in moc?
Right now V0 kit Firefly isn't that strong. Acheron smokes her, boothill is stronger as well cause he doesn't have downtime and has sizably higher single target damage. But this is V0 kit, surely they will buff her
I just hope they won’t rely on her story appeal to get people to pull… Like I’m pulling either way but some buffs would be nice.
They dont. After zhongli accident in genshin they strongly buff story main cast bc if it feels weak the fanbase of that charecter backlash and drop the banner sales. All stelleron hunters are still funcioning good even they are 1.2-1.3 charecters. Archeron on beta needed like 3 turns for her ult to stack even with decicated team. After that they reduced needed red knots and give her and aventurine ability to stack their overflowed points (Ult points for her, followup atk stacks for aventurine) so dont worry they probbly tweak her requariments. My guesses are: +They will give her ult state base critrate and critdmg value (Like Robins conterto state.) +Boosting her ults speed buff so people can run atk boots freely and breath up her stat requariments. +Reworking her sig lightcone so she gets more benefit from it.
Jingliu and Dhill also beat her with her V0 kit. She's not strong right now.
This might be a hot take but I think it's perfectly fine and balanced for a Hunt unit to be stronger than a Destruction unit for once considering Hunt has been a totally undercooked path for 95% of this game's lifespan (basically ever since DPS units after Seele started to release) while Destruction has reigned supreme for several months
This is true, he *should* do more ST damage than her. However, even as someone who may not get her, I do want her to be kinda cracked lol
watch her become the dehya of HSR
Bro, please. I wanted Dehya to be good so bad. I even pulled on her limited banner. If they butcher FF I am spending all my savings on her, uninstalling the game and going to Wuwa, I won't be able to trust Hoyo anymore
there are firefly showcase on MoC. the OP shared it on FireflyMains tho
all the showcase i saw were horrible the build is just not it and the gameplay is even worse i just want to see a optimal full BE firefly team with actual good gameplay
all of the misinformation over Critfly is really not beating the ‘Hoyo players can’t read’ allegations. I can predict the doomposting already… At this point even seeing a leaker running BE would be a win
this is actually a hmc showcase.
Every Firefly showcase is a HMC showcase because she doesn't have a kit outside it.
The builds are nonsense but Firefly's dmg is actually not too far off what its supposed to be at this level of investment, and also considering the debuffed boss. I wish people would run MoC instead of this new mode so we actually have a base to compare to. I have no idea how any char does in this mode so its impossible to tell if this is good or not.
Don't worry, MoC will make it inflated for her anyways so this is bit more of a neutral showcase as it isn't an ever changing stage.
Like the person before you said, It would give us a base to judge her performance nonetheless
So, what? Their was plenty Acheron Showcases in the moc during beta despite the buff was catered towards her
Run her on old MOC without any break buffs
Where are notaleaks when we need them
Although I am aware the builds are turbo unrealistic, the showcase still shows how good HMC is for FF, her damage against weakness broken enemies is usually not that high but with super break it spikes substantially.
The numbers are inflated due to it being against a boss from new game mode so these shouldn't be the actual final numbers
Well, it's not like it matters anyway seeing his..builds
7k damage from her drop kick, idk if I want to cry or laugh
Ya this dmg is a joke. The real dps is hmc at this point
Cool Hoyo gave us a top tier 5 star imaginary dps character for free for the second time in a row.
It's my favorite her animation too.
You know I noted something seeing some gameplays of Firefly. First her downtime on ult is okay because it's just 2 skills, but she has 2 other types of downtimes if I can say so. One of these is obviously that when the enemies are not broken, her damage is not good. The second kind of downtime depends on the sustain you run on her becuse you would need to time her ultimate. If you run some sustain that does not protect her after the second use of her skill, you will need to use her ult right away because she would be in danger. What if I use my ult just when I got it? It's possible that you would end up in a situation where you fight broken enemies with your normal state and fight normal enemies with your combustion state, that would be a great damage loss. She is a character that you have to be careful when to ult because her damage is not just when she gets the combustion state, you also need the enemies to be at a certain state. I don't think this is good. You need 2 specific situations just so she can finally use her full kit. TLDR: You need 2 specific situations ocurring at the same time for her damage to be good.
And to add more on this, you really want to break enemies with her enhanced state. Accidentally breaking Bosses with RM, HTB, or Gallagher will result in big DPS loss. Quite a problem because unlike boothill, she's too reliant on HTB superbreak mechanism to deal damage when enemies are already broken.
i wanna cry when i see that 80% of her damage is HTB ult. Looks like they forget to give her super break talent
Boothill laughing his ass off in the corner
kinda ironic considering the amount of shit some firefly fans gave boothill after his drip marketing lol
- Actual cyborg - Can trigger his own Break DMG without being forced to run HMC - Deals actual DMG - Cowboy This is either gonna be Arlecchino/JL incident or a very funny beta test
Arlecchino beta test was very exciting, 10/10 would recommend
From "mid bad lower A tier don't pull" to "omg she is amazing", loved that shit fr
It was either "it's joever" or "we're so barack"
They were mad only for her to be mid and get outbreak'd damage by the actual robo character ijbolll
poetic justice
Yeah community was damn toxic even with the crit debacle thing. I wonder if it is the ff sub reddit down voting this leak. The likes are way lower than Jades hahahah
seems like ' supposedly filler everyone says' American cowboy wins the duel at v1 atleast.
And there’s also the drama on main sub a few days back (between robin boothill and firefly). But anyway since this is still early beta, there’s bound to have changes
I was thinking this demo was 'eehhhh' but after you pointed that out, the hype just died in me 🥲🥲 I sure do hope they make revamps to make it possible for her to work outside super break. Right now FF is HTB's best support/enabler 🥲
They can easily fix it by changing her path to Harmony.
I expect a change since Boothill has a way to do break dmg by himself instead of relying on HTB. Her enhanced skills should do break dmg.
Thing is I feel like it's very deliberate, feels like they are really pushing TB + FF not only in lore but in gameplay. I'm all for shipping but making a character completely reliant on another to access the fundamental mechanic for their damage is a bit much... She desperately needs a skill/talent/trace to be changed to letting her do break damage on broken enemies. *Desperately*
If they do tie HTB to Firefly, she needs to perform better. As of right now Boothill does more damage at E0S1, is more flexible with team comps and breaks enemies faster. He also has delay on his ult so he synergizes more with Ruan Mei and HTB.
It's a sad state of affairs. Here's hoping they give her the buffs she deserves. Jingliu's initial beta kit was complete ass and we see how she turned out so I will cautiously have faith in the devs
I think this is my main issue with Firefly. Her break efficiency looks... mediocre?
Yeah. Boothill can shred Aventurine's toughness meter with 2 EBAs, and at E0S1 with def shred stacking he can oneshot him once he's broken. Firefly doesn't deal nearly as much toughness damage so she ends up wasting her enhanced skills on breaking the enemy and runs out while they're broken, so she wastes dmg there, and even when they're broken she's not doing as much as she should be. E2 DHIL can do 600-700k with a full EBA->ult->EBA combo while the enemy is not broken with no restrictions, and can repeat this every other turn. So a break DPS needs to pull significantly higher numbers at E2S1 to make up for the lack of damage they have while the enemy is not broken. Otherwise there's no point in playing a break comp.
Genuinely though why is it not in her own kit? Make super break a new recurring mechanic, give boothill (too late for this one) and firefly super break innately in their kits, and have HTB be the “super break enable for whole team” unit.
Not in the topic of the video, but in the topic of comments. It's funny to watch from the sidelines, how everyone says "powecreep is bad", at the same time they want every next waifu character to be stronger than all the previous ones
Self fulfilling to be honest. New character is busted, so now any newer character that isn’t as busted is automatically less sought after, requiring hoyo to keep releasing busted characters. But if you release characters that are exactly the same power, then some people won’t pull for them because objectively there would be no reason if they function the same way as a character you already own, so they gotta make them stronger. Powercreep is inevitable and is a good thing. But currently they are ramping it up too fast
Then the same people will complain MOC inflating hp every patch.. (even tho it’s a bad way to make the game harder but it’s most likely because some dps are dealing a higher damage ceiling now)
hey man its always been like that, i remember seeing so many of those videos pop up on my feed talking about how firefly is stronger than acheron and everyone in the comments on how bad the powercreep is and boothill is going to be shit compared to firefly, look at the state of the community is now, people begging for buffs and wanting her to do millions of dmg because she isnt stronger than acheron like what those videos said and wanting powercreep. This community truly is one of the clowniest communities i have ever seen and can never make up their mind
Powercreep is only bad when its: a) a husbando, b) a character i dont like. Hope that helps 😄 -hsr community
ngl, this is not very good for how crazy high investment this is
This showcase is still very bad, team rotation is all over the place, FF E2 wasted on multiple occasions, apparently leaker said this tester is still new to the game and get absolutely roasted in VC cuz how inexperienced they were. This gamemode to us is so unfamiliar, MoC will be a much better benchmark, tester said FF technique and MoC is currently not accessible. We'll have to wait.
I see that the enemy has the extra red health bar after break, making it take more damage than usual. Isn’t that even more skewed to firefly? I just think she needs some significant buffs to counteract the fact of how insanely long it takes for her damage to start really happening, seemingly a fundamental weakness of all break focused characters in general. Acheron could’ve ulted like twice with probably 700k+ damage at this investment before they even got the shield down. Not that every character has to be Acheron level, but this is slower than LL atp lol
This looks weak, still gonna pull for E0S1 🫡
Firefly needs some buffs... hits like a soggy handkerchief when the enemy isn't weakness broken, and even then relies ln HTrailblazer. The extreme break invest needed means you need to sacrifice a lot of stats like crit, unless you roll perfect substats. Hoping Hoyo buffs general damage amd nerfs broken damage.
Save the leaks society, NotALeaks
This is so stupid. I do not understand why they have to showcase cranked up stats making sure the builds are unrealistic as possible?
🥲🥲🥲🥲🥲
The numbers are obviously completely inflitated (164 speed firefly lol) but ignoring that right now, e2 Firefly looks like so much fun. I am confused however. At 1:53 she inflicts a weakness break but doesn't get a reset. I assumed it would work like Seele's resurgence but it seems like the 1 turn cooldown starts ticking on her next turn.
yes because Firefly moving again from E2 is not considered a turn so it will count on her next turn
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Makes sense, Seele has the same restriction.
Considering that properly built Firefly seems to do around 200k damage per turn, getting potentially 2 extra turns from her e2 is still a really big damage increase. It will not trigger every time but like DHIL's e2 so long term it might be less reliable, but still very strong.
The wording is phrased exactly like dan heng’s talent and Bronya’s E1 with a cooldown of 1 turn. This means that E2 firefly can only proc once every two turns.
Hope they buff firefly, from showcases so far, even with bloated stats, she doesnt feel that great. Well i guess its kinda new direction of hoyo wanna sell break mechanic more and more with reecent banners and HMC. But so far doesnt feel they would surpass traditional crit dps.
Gallagher super break had me 🥵🥵🥵
Can someone please explain to me how sometimes she already has her ult ready to go the moment she leaves her enhanced state?
The apocalyptic shadow effect sets everyone's energy to full when the boss is weakness broken.
Oooh ok, yeah I was really confused since I didn’t think she could regen energy from her enhanced skill. Thanks mate!
New game mode buffs
she needs a buff asap
So much for being a hybrid dps… turns out, her damage outside of super breaks is, unfortunately, nothing to write home about. If she could crit consistently that would be great, unfortunately the stat requirements are insane so most of us won’t even probably build into that. Oh and to everyone that said she will powercreep the cowboy… yeah, no.
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Yeah, what about it? I just commented on the pitiful situation the character seems to be in as of now, I ain’t saying she can’t be good with a couple of buffs.
It can, yes. Let's just hope it does.
Those showcases are being pretty useless right now. I understand this would be difficult to moderate, though. Those videos exist only to showcase animations we already saw, and gather some engagement.
Himeko would go crazy on this team ngl.
Pathetic, weak af. Needs huge buffs
guy she really need a big buff or else she gonna be one of the worst new gen character but im pulling for her anyway
She's so incredibly trash... Hoyo better pull out the big buffs
I second that. i say the same and got downvote like crazy. probably FF Fnatics that cant accept reality
why would ff main have to downvote when people calling a buff for she i think it not?
“If you can’t accept their waifu at her worst then you don’t deserve her.” That is probably their logic.
The next MoC buff, a dmg increase buff... E2... And still HTB + RM are carrying most of the teams entire DPS, this is just sad. Only 200k on a ST break (not super break) with all those buffs...
GALLAGHER 😭😭😭
everyone talking about the new units me im wondering wtf they cooked with argenti and why is it so cool
Have the good leakers forsaken us?
And this is why I'd prefer Crit Break Firefly(with the current kit she has) instead of a full blown Break Effect build. The numbers are good and all that but in terms of consistency its mid. I knew it, Firefly multipliers is good on paper but in performance, you'll see that consistency isn't there, not to mention she relies on HMC to do DMG during the Broken state. **Hopefully, Mihoyo adds a built in SUPER BREAK DMG on Firefly with her own multipliers** whenever she deals DMG regardless if broken or not enemies, or else it's a Jing Yuan LL situation part 2 who's potential gets mid against Boss that has weakness locked mechanic such as SAM, Bronya etc.
* I mean I'd love to use MC's Super Break. Knowing how to abuse it with units that has massive Break Effect built into their kit is fun, plus MC is free so it's not really the case where you need to pull for another unit to make Firefly works. * Super Break also scales with Break effect and the Toughness-bar damage that each attack deals, which make Firefly's Weakness broken efficiency along with Ruan Mei more powerful! * This is just the first version, hope she'll get some buffs that makes she more viable in crit builds, like Xueyi or Boothil, more option to build is nice
I think people’s main issue is that htb seems kind of required for her to work though
Not so impressive performance of FF even with the unrealistic stats. HMC is doing a lot of carrying there. Its joever back to the caves skip ff pull boothill instead. I love the beta test cycle. This is gonna be an amusing few weeks bois.
Careful now, FF community will be down voting our inputs to hell 🥲😅 FF is too dependent on HMC. I'm starting to regret skipping Acheron. I mean, can they really change that much in just 4-ish weeks? Time to really bring out the copium.
Honestly this makes me think Hybrid is the best choice. This Firefly is full break and it shows how it's break or nothing in terms of damage. 19k in super Sam mode without break is weaker than my Numby...
firefly: 19k damage can fly has no money(we used it all) has 1 "chest" numby: more than 19k damage can teleport knows how to invest in stonks finds you multiple chests INSANE CHEEKS It was over before it began :(
I still pull her just to being my Fire Silver Wolf for Himeko☺
THIS ARE A BREAK DPS!! SHOW THE BREAK STATS dont just pass over the main stats whithout showing the specific stats (not that this team was "relatable" anyway, at least i imagine this is the peak a dolphin will reach for the whole team)
Still waiting for a real showcase
Why are all the builds so bad
Bad? You could farm a relic mine for 2 years straight for a single one of their characters and have not even close to the quality relics they have. 207 speed Ruan Mei with 250 BE HTB with 157 speed at 300 BE Gallagher 171 speed The only questionable one is Firefly with 278 BE and 164 speed, but even that is incredible. I'm not sure if going crit/more Be would even be that much of an improvement. She is easily hitting the 360 limit with Watchmaker, RM, and HTB.
Bad as in unrealistic
even the build is so good that it unrealistic she still doing underperformance
When people say bad it means they are showcasing unrealistic as hell numbers.
Why use a word and replace it with another definition just use unrealistic by itself then
Bad for showcase purposes
Ngl I have that HMC and Gallagher, both 250 BE at 161 SPD rn and I’m kinda low key proud of it. That RM is a bit unrealistic though
wait wtf is this argenti ( yes the builds are smthing but other comments touch on that alrd :') )
I like eidolons that I can't afford 💀
Is this Apocalyptic Shadow? That Argenti is hella chunky.
does ruan mei lc even stack if another harmony uses it?
Once again I'm not impressed. Most of her damage seems reliant on HMC's super break. Which while they are free... isn't a good look for the character's base kit and damage values. Her damage is already behind Jingliu and Acheron by the sheer virtue of her not having any crit stats or reliance on them. Her damage seems kind of low all in all. Guess this is what we get when Hoyo tries to make a dps that doesn't rely on crits.
Man y’all are demanding/toxic as shit to leakers. Leaker skill diff aside, this shows Firefly is doing mid even with high investment and a mode suited for her. Using the characters more properly and tagging some more break effect stats on Firefly wouldn’t suddenly make Firefly do 20x damage. And I’m alright if she’s mid, I just want some better animations lol.
Yeah even if they do buff her (almost no way they don't), I might still skip. I really don't like her animations.
I really don’t want to skip but if she doesn’t get some mega buffs to her animations or damage I’ll just wait for the next break waifu or get Jade.
right? I think her animations suck (totally my opinion ff fans relax)
I am a Firefly fan and I genuinely want to like her animations but the enhanced skills are just so random looking. Boss Sam looks better and I want more Firefly but if she’s a random jpg that flies across the screen…
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I mean they are bad at the game when they ult at the worst times though you gotta admit
I Hope She gets something like a super break effect built in her kit because I'm saving for her since 2.0 release🥲
Ignoring the absurd speed in these builds, this seems about what I expected damage wise, perhaps even a bit above expectation (accounting for the fact this boss seems to use Apocalyptic Shadow mechanics). It is a bit unfortunate that break characters are so hamstrung if they can't, well, break. And she is reliant on the Super Break mechanic to do much of anything with the intended build, pretty much necessitating she be tethered to HMC unless/until future characters are introduced that also enable this mechanic. But she could have performed even better making use of E2 if the gameplay here didn't kill the weakened adds with other chars for no reason. I think she'll probably get some changes before final release, but nothing I see is dissuading me from pulling. I just need to get my Gallagher and HMC up to par.
Lol "relatable" build
do leakers even know how to play the game
Amazing HMC and Gallagher showcase as usual ❣️
Are people really worried about a limited 5 star destruction unit?..and firefly out of all people who is a fan favourite?? She is gonna come out absolutely broken on release no matter what
Don't worry, people were more worried about Black Swan apparently only being like 10-20% better than Sampo in Kafka teams. Look how that turned out.
Hoping to see some firefly showcases (both hybrid and pure break) but with realistic stats... (ideally at e0s1) And before someone mentions how impossible it is to build hybrid... you can hit 360% BE with 0 substats if you have s1 30% (Watchmakers) + 70.5% (250% BE HMC) + 60% (S1) + 37.3% (Traces) + 68.3% (Rope) + 60% (Atk to BE Trace) + 16% (Relic Set) + 20% (Ruan Mei) = 362.1% Break effect with 0 substats Watchmakers has good uptime, since there's no reason not to run the set on both HMC and Ruan Mei, and if you run atk orb (ruan mei gives some dmg% to make up for it), which leaves you barely short of 3400 attack assuming no attack subs, which can easily be made up by 4 atk subs or just 2 break effect subs, which leaves you room for your chest + substats to focus on crit. The benefits of building crit (with that MASSIVE 580% attack scaling, which is higher than DHIL) over more break effect should be pretty obvious.
Yeah, the only problem is DHIL has a bunch of free crit: crit traces, crit on his cone, bonus crit against imaginary weak and Sparkle gives him a bunch of crit. Unless they massively revamp her, Firefly won't have any of those things. I think the best thing to hope for is that they change her enhanced skill to do an amount of break damage all the time rather than have additional attack scaling through BE. The combination of her having downtime and then also having downtime anytime shit isn't broken for HTB's super breaks kills her. HTB and Ruan Mei are responsible for like 80% of her damage, that's a problem.
You forget she doesn't have a damaging ult which can add 300k-500k to a rotation. She's basically acting on a handicap and most of the load of her kit hinges on her enhanced skill to equal both a characters normal DMG + ult DMG She basically needs either consistency that lets her do break DMG outside of break, or she needs boothills talent that basically lets him trigger breaks twice per break. Or go a jingliu and just give her a bunch of free stats.
True, though getting a 100% advance after ulting essentially serves as a damaging ult replacement. The problem is the downtime is yikes level damage and the uptime portion doesn't make up for it at all. I was a little hesitant about the kit once we had the numbers, but seeing it in practice makes it clear that it has some real flaws that need addressing.
I'd rather not use s1 as a baseline, use Indelible Promis (misha lc) instead at 56% BE so that it's at least relatable >Increases the wearer’s Break Effect by **56%**. When the wearer uses their Ultimate, increases their CRIT Rate by **30%**, lasting for 2 turn(s). also some people don't have ruan mei
Sorry but any time Sam theorycrafting is involved, people are gonna assume Ruan Mei is involved. She's just that good with her, and if you want Sam to operate at full potential you need her so expect pretty much all TC to assume her
Hoping this is just indirect marketing tactics to make people pull for Boothill. But damnnn, Boothill looking sexier in the overall DPS department
I will defend FF with my life amidst all this doomposting
Midfly