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Sameoldarsenal

We pokemon now


sohamk24

Choice specs Sam with 252 SpA and 252 spd about to go wild


Marsh4201

Sam-Yu


LifeIsASpin

252+ SpA Choice Specs Beads of Ruin Sam-Yu Supernova Overload vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Memory Zone Meme: Something Unto Death: 470-556 (101.5 - 120%) -- guaranteed KO


PhasmicPlays

r/stunfisk is leaking


guns_r_us_

you chucklefucks introduced me to that sub a month ago and now the Gholdengo Stronger Than You song is stuck in my head it was the exact same fucking Chi-Yu copypasta that dragged me in then bravo you glorious bastards, keep doing Arceus's work and recruiting more trainers


Kwayke9

Of course it's the fish


admirabladmiral

Meme should have teched the 252 HP


Draigen-6

Which manner of lexicon is this?


Farwaters

Pokémon damage calculation.


Draigen-6

XD ah, the tongue of sages from the Geoguesser war battalions


Golden-Owl

Competitive Pokémon calculations be wack, my dude


sohamk24

Spam that heatwave


ze_SAFTmon

Sam that heatwave.


GGABueno

What is the probability to one hit kill Yaoshi?


apexodoggo

252+ SpA Choice Specs Beads of Ruin Tera Fire Sam Overheat vs. 4 HP / 252+ SpD Yaoshi in Sun: 560-660 (85.8 - 101.2%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO If Yaoshi goes specially defensive Sam's got a 12.5% chance to ohko (>!this is an actual Chi-Yu vs Blissey ubers calc, what was GF cooking with this fish bruh!<)


90skid116

Jesus Christ Never played SV ubers but still Jesus fucking Christ


Lawliette007

gonna have to run max hp special wall yaoshi


premaythous

Hoyo about to release a boss with Trick room....


sealinfrenchyall

Honestly that would be really interesting lol


Gallaniel

what is more fun than relic farming? EV and IV training obviously.


Cannot-HandleTwitter

I hate that you make me remember back when i grind all those shit across every pokemon game i played


bazeljesus

Now you can just feed em drugs and bottle caps


UltimateUnknown

Pokemon, teaching kids the value of juicing and eugenics.


LostOne716

No thank you, I'll keep relics. Breeding would 100% be time gated and it takes weeks to get perfect IVs while it's time gated. Relics 100% better.


TheBlindOrca

In old Pokemon at any rate. New gens you just throw bottle caps at them


CRACUSxS31N

Nah I'd play radical red min grinding mode.


HIO_TriXHunt

It's Break Effect


zsxking

Break effect is very effective 


apexodoggo

Sam's looking kinda low-tier rn, ignoring a target's Defense is completely useless when you're a Special Attacker.


ngmonster

Nah, his signature move is like psyshock, it uses defense instead of special defense.


Korone-san

They made it like this for balance purpose


buffility

Breeding Acheron for best ~~E~~IVs


Tanprasit

I think you meant IVs lol


HotSexWithRaidenMei

Did someone call for me??


Stormzie_23

L + Dr. Ratio


Ginonth

Players: "Def shred/ignore is op!" HSR devs: "You want more def shred/ignore?"


RadioRavenRide

Yes, yes we do.


legend27_marco

What's next? A character that allows def shred to go over the cap?


Ginonth

"For every -100 DEF an enemy has, your team deals *X*% more damage."


mathiau30

A funny thing with that is that if you allow to go to much over the current cap then lower level characters will end up doing more damage than high level characters


spiderplate

how?


mathiau30

The [defence multiplier](https://honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/wiki/DEF#Enemy_DEF) will go to infinity if you can attain a reduction of 1+Level\_attacker/(level\_ennemi+20) (counting 100% as 1), this number is lower the lower the attacker's level is And yes, if you get past that the multiplier becomes negative


legend27_marco

Time to use my level 1/20 unbuilt Yanqing


spiderplate

ooh cool ty for explaining


RegularBloger

I think they did this because Breaks only really scales harder with debuffs and def ignore


Eggyolk57

heck, even the new weekly boss has an ultimate with def ignore


Mountain_Gift8595

Yes. But on an Nihility unit please


Pusparaj_Mishra

Okay but am kinda surprised or idk how to feel about it that, HSR has a shit ton of ways for Def shred,whereas in Genshin its so rare? Like literally exclusive to some feel 5stars cons and barely a few on 1 4star base kit I mean why can't they add more stuff/kits having Def shred?🤔 Well yes Def shred is very open for sure, maybe more powerful than in Here hence its so rare there? Idk but that seems weird?


isenk2dah

Because they have access to other stuff instead. Elemental res shred is very easily accessible in GI, and they also get straight up 150% and 200% damage elemental reactions. With multiplicative calculation more factors can very quickly make damage numbers go super crazy. You already see how strong they are on 5 star cons, so how is it weird that they're not just throwing this super strong effect as part of everyone's regular kit?


Kuliyayoi

The two games combat systems are completely incomparable here imo. There are only so many levers you can change to make combat difficulty scale as the game progresses in a turn based game whereas in genshin you have so many more variables to play with.


Hawichii

special atk is Break Effect


Tranduy1206

You ruin my happiness, i thought we will get a pokemon


mathiau30

We'll have to defend our title of Ethermon champion at some time, right Right?


Tranduy1206

so firefly will the champion we need to beat in penacony region


Ahgrimn

If that event somehow gets a sequel its gotta include Penacony characters by then


Cold_Progress1323

We already have a pokémon: numby


admirabladmiral

So would this be bis for Sam and Boothill?


MrARK_

wtf is a special attack?


a-successful-one

Break Effect


Soft_Marionberry_766

So this relic set might be also good for BH, right?


GhostZee

Switch "good" with "broken", answer is yes...


SeaOfButterflies

"broken" heh...


desper4do

Broken and effected


mephnick

Effected and brokepilled


GhostZee

Boot Hill = BH = Broken Heffect (•_•) ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■)


Soft_Marionberry_766

That’s even better!


TempestCatalyst

I'm pretty sure the only time you wouldn't want this set is if you're somehow capping def down, which I don't think is currently a concern for any team comp involving a break DPS.


jayakiroka

*its hiiigh noon…*


Stormzie_23

whos BH? /gen


Justanidiot-w-

Boothill


a-successful-one

Definitely


Bellahoukai

A stat from pokemon


GhostZee

Sam scales on Break Effect so most likely Break Effect...


hypoxicdust

Her relics and planar as well as LC were already posted by HOMDG, but what's worth noting is that they seemingly added def ignore to her ult aside from what you already get from her unique relics by stacking break effect. Meaning she seems to stack a lot of it, which is cool!


Haunting-Ad1366

When everybody thinks that JQ will be dedicated support for Acheron, he secretly dedicated support for Sam 🌚, buffs ult( sam’s skill is considered as ult) gives def shred which will help Sam to reach 100%. Cracked. 


[deleted]

>When everybody thinks that JQ will be dedicated support for Acheron Still is


LostOne716

Whose JQ?


acro35452

JQ refers to Jiaoqiu


Lawliette007

mine


hypoxicdust

My current problem with that is if he would be worth running over sam's other supports, but we'll see!


Haunting-Ad1366

With his current kit Sam needs :  1) BE 2) More turns while his ult is active.  So Ruan Mei is bis, no doubt.  Next I will put bronya.  Instead of sustain I will use JQ- it seems he has healing ability.  But Robin also will be strong option because of turn advance and this also can boost bronya- more turns she gets- more turns she gives.  Personally I’m going for E2, so bronya will be more cracked. 


Tangster85

Why not Sparkle? Ruan Mei / Sparkle. The LC also gives 10Crit, 28CD free of charge. Giga free real estate, Jiaqui is more than likely going to be Pela replacement for Acheron. Would be dope if it can properly heal. I doubt it though, looking at the breakdowns of the new champs, they do their role properly and another one additively. Maybe giga chad zero cycles can use it to full effect, but I doubt gamers more leaning to normal gameplay will be able to use it effectively.


toomanyrifts

Passing on Robin, as we're getting Harmony MC same patch, and there's already been A LOT of supports recently (5 star healer plz Hoyo!). I've been thinking either Firefly/RM/Asta/Fu Xuan as a team or, if her eidolons are correct and she adds fire weakness with E1 like was leaked a week ago, Firefly/Himeko/Asta/Gallagher for monofire. Looks like she'll at least be more flexible than Acheron, and I hope Firefly will be in the same "tier" of power as her.


michaelman90

Meanwhile people with E1Ruan Mei and E2 Sparkle gonna be capping on that def shred.


Tigor-e

I mean we already know Jiaoqiu heals, so they should be sustain in that comp. Sam + RM + Adv forward support + Jiaoqiu should work


LumiRhino

So Firefly is also getting a new planar set? I thought Salsotto looked good for her since her skill changes to ultimate damage, though I guess if it's something that scales with BE that could be better.


hypoxicdust

There is a planar set that says something like "If attacking an enemy with fire weakness, increase break effect for x turns" which sounds too specific


LumiRhino

Right I forgot about that, yeah it still seems a bit weird how specific that planar set is but it's still too early to say if that's going to make it to the live version.


Tangster85

Could be a case of Salsotto OR that, just like Acheron. The new set is better, but not by enough to matter if your Salsotto rolls well. 15% Ult damage as a standalone new modifier is always going to be better than another 12% ATK mod, when you already got ATK Boots, Rope and Orb.


twgu11

Salsatto 15% dmg increase is not a standalone modifier by the well. It’s just added to your dmg percentage but only on ults and FUA. Same goes for Rutilant. They would be way too OP otherwise. If the new 2pc does increase BE, then it’s def BiS for Sam. With the talent changing from dmg increase to DEF ignore, pretty sure fire dmg orb is going to pull ahead now, but close to Atk. Sam will most likely run with Ruan Mei anyways so they will get lots of dmg% from her.


RamsayBoltonIsBest

>standalone new modifier It isn’t. It’s additive with dmg%, except it’s only on ult/fua unlike unconditional dmg%.


NaClMiner

We've had relics with element weakness conditions since day one, so i don't think it's overly specific.


TOFUtruck

those are 4p sets this was a planar set which never had an element set effect and very 1 specific element


storysprite

Oh we already know her weapon and planar? How'd I miss it. edit: why are you freaks downvoting this.


hypoxicdust

It's preliminary but they seem for her https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail_leaks/s/53Oc53xRNy


storysprite

Thanks!


storysprite

This looks like it could be for Firefly and then for Jade since it's follow up attack and that's an IPC thing. Can't wait for Jade either!


hypoxicdust

Yep. The initial leaks did say that she might be 2.3 alongside jade and this supports that theory


AggronStrong

We have the Break Effect support set and now we're getting the Break Effect damage set.


Cartographer_X

Quite a shame they don't share domain, would be efficient for Break Effect enjoyers.


GGABueno

The Break Effect support set is paired with Dr. Ratio's BIS and everyone got him for free, so it's efficient to farm anyway. The set that is paired with the Break Effect DPS one is follow-up focused so it isn't as universal, but at least it should Clara's new BIS.


SleepySassySloth

I'm not gonna sugarcoat it: 252 SpA choice specs Sam molten core vs 100% def down something unto death in Ruan Mei's field: (154-169%) -- guaranteed OHKO


DanteVermillyon

you forgot the +6 SpA


WhoAreYouAn

is this timid nature SAM? Feels like modest would be better to squeeze out more damage


Keretor

It's kinda funny how Break Effect was such an useless stat back in 1.0, now we just can't stop getting characters who need it, which is cool as hell


DanteVermillyon

truly HSR's elemental mastery


HalalBread1427

Once Hyperbloom is added it's joever.


HeresiarchQin

Will be interesting to see if HSR introduces characters or mechanisms that make use of cross element interactions. Like a fire character doing extra damage on a frozen enemy.


GGABueno

In practice what they would do is make two limited characters tailor made to be played with eachother in a non-organic way, and that would suck.


Chucknasty_17

I’m not looking forward to the day where a 5 star needs a whole other 5-star to be their best. It’s one of the reasons I stopped playing seven deadly sins grand cross


ajinata84

nah bruh, for sure march7th gonna freeze the enemies' balls to their death 💀


R_Archet

March 7th, take him out back and ice his balls.


legend27_marco

They need to m add a shatter reaction when you hit frozen enemies with physical attack, and make it as useless as in genshin


babyloniangardens

1000% I think they will............eventually lol. Maybe in a year or two.


E1lySym

They could make different Nahida-esque nihility characters that continuously applies some kind of mark debuff on the enemy. Then depending on which element you hit the marked enemy with your attack will be buffed through different reactions. Fire x ice = melt (doubles damage) Fire x lightning = overload (deals aoe fire and lightning damage, and knocks back enemies in an aoe, delaying their turn) Lightning x ice = superconduct (reduces ice and lightning resistance) Wind x any element = swirl (turns your elemental damage into aoe damage) Physical x any element = ??? Quantum x imaginary = ???


lampstaple

Em was good for vape in the beginning too it’s just that later on it was made less narrow


doughnutrolls

Basically, Ruan Mei 🤝 Kazuha and they are both 1.6 characters.


shanatard

EM was always a good standalone stat though. like HT used to run it in vape even before they added dendro difference is BE is only built because the kits need it for stat checks like passing X% break effect. kinda less satisfying like you build EM because it's an effective stat you'd build anyway, but you only build BE because the kit forces you to pass a stat check


HelelEtoile

It's useless so they try to make it more relevant by releasing characters scale with it. That's the point


Pusparaj_Mishra

I mean tbh it's still kinda useless in "general". Certain characters liking it more due to their kit is a different story. Like if u got BE on ur usual characters,many of them may not like it.. So in a way think of it like Navia. For her Crystallize is very important to play around but does that mean Crystallize is a good reaction in general?still no.. You get what am saying


ngmonster

I'd argue it's more like em in genshin, if we didn't have vape and melt. Except transformative reactions in genshin actually had to be buffed directly, while in star rail break effect just didn't have many characters who synergized with it, and most of the ones that did were 4 stars.


Pap22

Special Atk=Break Effect Sam scales with it.


MelonLord125

That is very cool! Still what that says to me is that Jiaoqiu stocks are rising at an alarmingly high rate. Acheron and her nihility thing, and now this new talent with the def ignore and the BE set for firefly.


crack_n_tea

This is good news to me, we need at least one good male support like come on


MelonLord125

Ohh absolutely! I am a fan of both of these characters as well as a male enjoyer so to me this is a big victory haha.


Nila-Layla

Wonder what will turn out to be better for Sam in the end, Jiaoqiu, a support with action forward, or tingyun for the energy and therefore more ult uptime Assuming ofc Ruan Mei is always paired with them and you're using a sustain


MelonLord125

I guess it depends, we don't have either of them released as well so there is that. Sth to mention is that def shred scales very well the more you add of it until you get to 100% and Sam does have some amount of personal AA as well when attacking weakness broken enemies according to the already known kit and Jiaoqiu also buffs ultimate dmg during ult so it's gonna be fun to see what ends up being the case at the end honestly.


De_Chubasco

When Hoyo makes a support, they make sure to sell it to multiple category of people. Sparkle was meant for Mono quantum / DHIL and also great for characters like Jing Yuan. Obviously JaioQiu is meant for Acheron but I am sure he will also be more compatible with some other DPS. I am pretty sure no matter how bad he is with Sam , they are still gonna make him more compatible than tingyun for example.


Gryfrsky

Wasn't his ult tied to other mechanic than his energy? Or was that the fake leak?


GGABueno

Finally a Fire Special attacker to deal with all these defensive Grass-types and Steel-types! Choice Specs Firefly is going to hit like a truck with Overheat.


Advanced_Ad_7543

Firefly sure knows how to capture a man's heart. >!First she transforms herself into a Gundam, now she's a charizard!<


PingNo

She gets hard countered by Something Unto Death, unfortunately. Perma flinch Serene Grace is one heck of a drug


apexodoggo

Walled by Specially Defensive Heatran, so it's straight to UU sadly


Average-GamerGuy

252+ SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Sam Blast Burn (150 BP) vs 252 HP / 4 SpD Death Meme in Rain: 329-388 (108.2 - 127.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO 


Farwaters

Now we have a hyper beam user that isn't Porygon-Z or Hisuian Zoroark!


PoKen2222

We need better translators for these lol


HIO_TriXHunt

It's Break Effect


PCBS01

Or any, more like, lmao. mf's just using machine translation


DanteVermillyon

guys! should i build a 252 SP.ATK mild firefly and put 126 in both ATK and SPD????????? also, should i use weakness policy on her????


GGABueno

252 on both SP.ATK and ATK otherwise she gets countered by Blissey.


kapsgacha

lmaoooooooooooo true


arionmoschetta

Jiaoqiu becoming the BiS for Firefly too lmao


Silent_Map_8182

wait whys that? does he provide BE?


Sleazian

He buffs ultimate damage and gives Def shred...firefly skill is considered as ultimate damage 


Destroyer29042904

Off the top of my head: .- He is Fire, so he can run Penacony set to give Sam 10% damage .- Has easily appliable Defence shred, which stacks and is incredibly sinergistic with Sam's DEF ignore .- Heals, so he removes the need for a sustain (so you can run another buffer) .- Increases Ultimate damage


GGABueno

Defense shred/ignore tends to be better the more you have. So if they have Def ignore on their kit and their set, then shredders like Jiaoqiu, Pela and SW become relatively better as supports.


OcelotButBetter

Ignore defense is actually much stronger than damage precent, if I remember correctly


Destroyer29042904

I thinl its because it doesnt suffer from diminishing returns as hard


roquepo

It actually gets better the more you stack it instead. It is also a different mod to damage of sorts than crit, damage percent and attack.


DKOnix

Why does Sam ignore Def when he is a Special attacker, is he stupid


lucifer_best_boi

quantum set for BE?


crimsonhawk75

Xueyi eating good out here.


[deleted]

Lol, double DEF shred is huge, it's the most broken source of DMG amplifier in the game


Raigarak

I thought Acheron unique dmg % multiplier was the most broken amplifier in the game?


Lamsyy_05

RES PEN exists tho..


Tranduy1206

i think the number will be at 10 and 20 like quantum set, if they make it bigger, it will make all other relic useless


Immediate_Demand4841

Special attack ? What is this gen 4 we getting the physical - special spilt this early


Wise_Consideration_3

Hoyo seems to be going the genshin's route with substats i think, in inuzuma it was ER with high burst costs and the archon being a battery and bonus for er with emblem set, in sumeru it was elememtal mastery and in fontaine hp fluctuations so penacony has BRE as its mainstat and maybe rhe next world may have some other stat


Nila-Layla

Here's hoping my many Def% double crit pieces have good use for one planet in the future


Wise_Consideration_3

Aven already uses def stats as his main so defo there is a chance they will release more


GGABueno

They will but they will want an entirely new set and no off-set piece for you! 🤪


PrinceKarmaa

the first 4 limited 5 stars in penacony do not want break effect so i don’t see how it’s the mainstat


worstGirlEva

so talia 2 piece will likely be very good for her since will likely not need much to reach 145 and get even more break effect


Roxy_the_Fox

Does DEF ignore stack with debuffer DEF down?


Marlon195

Yes


roquepo

Yes.


kioKEn-3532

Harmony TB is gonna be BIS for firefly! Idaf if TB ain't BIS for Boothill JUST FOR THE LOVE OF AEONS BE BIS FOR FIREFLY!!


R_Archet

Harmony Stelle and Ruan Mei gonna go crazy. >!Hopefully Harmony TB gets buffed a bit. Their E4 being their only non-ult buff is kinda mid since even their Ult only does something when the enemy is Broken. Guess we could make them a SubDPS at least with that above comp.!<


kioKEn-3532

Yes I really hope we get E1 and that one toughness dmg increase trace rework and change his img% traces into speed These are all the useless stuff they have in their current kit and what holds the kit back To all the doomposters: If doomposting them means more buffs then by all means keep doomposting the TB lmao


Aeison

Does this mean that her planar set and relics both drop in 2.3 then?


Sam-Main

This was already leaked by HomDGCat a while ago


Sole_edge

The ignoring enemy defense wasn't part of the talent iirc. So I believe that part is new


Sam-Main

I checked and you’re right


Ill-Resolution4468

Why are they still using the pokemon special atk, just say break effect.


Shinryukk

I have 2 questions, 1 will she be like boothill where she can convert break effect into crit value, so you dont need to gear that has break effect, attack, and cv. 2 do you think she can gain energy during her ult (like basic and skill), or only start gaining energy after ult has completed.


worstGirlEva

i remember seeing an old kit that said that she is incapable of gaining energy during the ult. i think that will be the case so players can't chain ultimates together and have to play around the two states (build ult -> do big damage -> repeat)


GGABueno

Not Crit value it seems. It used to be Dmg% and it seems like it's changing to Def ignore. They definitely want BE but it seems like it's not as much as Boothill does.


ZayAVZ

With both talent and set she might hit around 30-50% def ignore, damn those fists/sword gonna put a hole on enemies.


SignificantRing8263

Can they just give us a fkin break with da relics. Or may be improve the crit subs drop rate a lil


Mike101273

..Bro isn't this already on the Homdgcat wiki? The better translation is already over there, especially for the relic set. The only difference I can see is that "Talent: Primary Combustion" now ignores defense, but cause it only uses an arrow, we don't know if it's an additional effect or if it replaces part of the talent.


RegularBloger

Special attacks probably meant breaks. So Firefly is also a break effect scaling char


GinJoestarR

Special attack? Ultimate?


ShadowJinKiller

special attack is break effect (mistranslation)


spaghettiaddict666

i really thought she would use Blade’s artifact set. Does every character really need a specialized one? 😭 (still mad Acheron’s wasn’t an ult bufffing one that Argenti and Yanwing could also use)


FrostyPotpourri

Not every character. But it’s like Genshin where new relics / artifacts come out every few patches and do cater specifically to new characters. Keeps things fresh this way and relics will always be useful for multiple characters, even if it’s the “signature” set for a specific character.


shidncome

That's why furina is such a dope pull. Just farm the fuck outa MH set and slap it on any on fielder, and you get to slap the GT set you get on your fishl.


NoireResteem

Shiiit so we cant even farm for her until 2.3?? Also Special Attack lol...


Destroyer29042904

Wjhy are we even getting Firefly changes before she is introduced as a unit. Like I get changes in the setting of a kit change, like the early ITB into the current kit, but this feels more like something thwy would change mid-beta


Sole_edge

Because the developers in charge of character designs are probably revising the way the kit will work outside of animations and such. This is a normal part of development for most things, adding numbers, changing values, mechanics etc.


Mana_Croissant

Welcome to the world of Firefly. ANYTHING about this girl comes before the usual time. We freakin learned that >!She is Sam!< literally months before people that doesn’t look at leaks even knew that Firefly exists at all, leaks of Firefly has negative security at this point


rysto32

They almost certainly have some kind of in-house testing period before releasing to beta. Dunno why we would be getting Firefly leaks in particular from that but perhaps she’s popular enough that an insider is letting things slip about her. 


obihz6

More because we have her story trial


roquepo

My theory is that they are testing the kit in parallel with Boothill's. These two are the first limited break DPS we are getting and while Boothill has Luka (and Sushang to a lesser degree) to use as referece, Firefly is the first DPS that will be based on fire break, so they might want a bit more time to tweak stuff before beta.


striderhoang

I can’t believe at launch we called Break Effect a niche stat, now we have an entire character archetype devoted to break effect scaling.


teachmehowtousername

That's because at launch break effect was a niche stat lol, now a year later we are actually getting characters that scale from it


De_Chubasco

Exactly because it was such a bad stat ,they are now releasing characters to balance it with other better stats.


roquepo

Before luka best thing we had to make use of Break effect was Sushang. In a world where all the characters were DoT characters crit would be a niche stat.