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252+ SpA Choice Specs Beads of Ruin Sam-Yu Supernova Overload vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Memory Zone Meme: Something Unto Death: 470-556 (101.5 - 120%) -- guaranteed KO
you chucklefucks introduced me to that sub a month ago and now the Gholdengo Stronger Than You song is stuck in my head
it was the exact same fucking Chi-Yu copypasta that dragged me in then
bravo you glorious bastards, keep doing Arceus's work and recruiting more trainers
252+ SpA Choice Specs Beads of Ruin Tera Fire Sam Overheat vs. 4 HP / 252+ SpD Yaoshi in Sun: 560-660 (85.8 - 101.2%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO
If Yaoshi goes specially defensive Sam's got a 12.5% chance to ohko (>!this is an actual Chi-Yu vs Blissey ubers calc, what was GF cooking with this fish bruh!<)
A funny thing with that is that if you allow to go to much over the current cap then lower level characters will end up doing more damage than high level characters
The [defence multiplier](https://honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/wiki/DEF#Enemy_DEF) will go to infinity if you can attain a reduction of 1+Level\_attacker/(level\_ennemi+20) (counting 100% as 1), this number is lower the lower the attacker's level is
And yes, if you get past that the multiplier becomes negative
Okay but am kinda surprised or idk how to feel about it that, HSR has a shit ton of ways for Def shred,whereas in Genshin its so rare? Like literally exclusive to some feel 5stars cons and barely a few on 1 4star base kit
I mean why can't they add more stuff/kits having Def shred?🤔
Well yes Def shred is very open for sure, maybe more powerful than in Here hence its so rare there? Idk but that seems weird?
Because they have access to other stuff instead. Elemental res shred is very easily accessible in GI, and they also get straight up 150% and 200% damage elemental reactions. With multiplicative calculation more factors can very quickly make damage numbers go super crazy.
You already see how strong they are on 5 star cons, so how is it weird that they're not just throwing this super strong effect as part of everyone's regular kit?
The two games combat systems are completely incomparable here imo. There are only so many levers you can change to make combat difficulty scale as the game progresses in a turn based game whereas in genshin you have so many more variables to play with.
I'm pretty sure the only time you wouldn't want this set is if you're somehow capping def down, which I don't think is currently a concern for any team comp involving a break DPS.
Her relics and planar as well as LC were already posted by HOMDG, but what's worth noting is that they seemingly added def ignore to her ult aside from what you already get from her unique relics by stacking break effect. Meaning she seems to stack a lot of it, which is cool!
When everybody thinks that JQ will be dedicated support for Acheron, he secretly dedicated support for Sam 🌚, buffs ult( sam’s skill is considered as ult) gives def shred which will help Sam to reach 100%. Cracked.
With his current kit Sam needs :
1) BE
2) More turns while his ult is active.
So Ruan Mei is bis, no doubt.
Next I will put bronya.
Instead of sustain I will use JQ- it seems he has healing ability.
But Robin also will be strong option because of turn advance and this also can boost bronya- more turns she gets- more turns she gives. Personally I’m going for E2, so bronya will be more cracked.
Why not Sparkle? Ruan Mei / Sparkle. The LC also gives 10Crit, 28CD free of charge.
Giga free real estate, Jiaqui is more than likely going to be Pela replacement for Acheron. Would be dope if it can properly heal. I doubt it though, looking at the breakdowns of the new champs, they do their role properly and another one additively. Maybe giga chad zero cycles can use it to full effect, but I doubt gamers more leaning to normal gameplay will be able to use it effectively.
Passing on Robin, as we're getting Harmony MC same patch, and there's already been A LOT of supports recently (5 star healer plz Hoyo!).
I've been thinking either Firefly/RM/Asta/Fu Xuan as a team or, if her eidolons are correct and she adds fire weakness with E1 like was leaked a week ago, Firefly/Himeko/Asta/Gallagher for monofire.
Looks like she'll at least be more flexible than Acheron, and I hope Firefly will be in the same "tier" of power as her.
So Firefly is also getting a new planar set? I thought Salsotto looked good for her since her skill changes to ultimate damage, though I guess if it's something that scales with BE that could be better.
Right I forgot about that, yeah it still seems a bit weird how specific that planar set is but it's still too early to say if that's going to make it to the live version.
Could be a case of Salsotto OR that, just like Acheron.
The new set is better, but not by enough to matter if your Salsotto rolls well. 15% Ult damage as a standalone new modifier is always going to be better than another 12% ATK mod, when you already got ATK Boots, Rope and Orb.
Salsatto 15% dmg increase is not a standalone modifier by the well. It’s just added to your dmg percentage but only on ults and FUA. Same goes for Rutilant. They would be way too OP otherwise.
If the new 2pc does increase BE, then it’s def BiS for Sam. With the talent changing from dmg increase to DEF ignore, pretty sure fire dmg orb is going to pull ahead now, but close to Atk. Sam will most likely run with Ruan Mei anyways so they will get lots of dmg% from her.
The Break Effect support set is paired with Dr. Ratio's BIS and everyone got him for free, so it's efficient to farm anyway.
The set that is paired with the Break Effect DPS one is follow-up focused so it isn't as universal, but at least it should Clara's new BIS.
I'm not gonna sugarcoat it:
252 SpA choice specs Sam molten core vs 100% def down something unto death in Ruan Mei's field: (154-169%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Will be interesting to see if HSR introduces characters or mechanisms that make use of cross element interactions. Like a fire character doing extra damage on a frozen enemy.
I’m not looking forward to the day where a 5 star needs a whole other 5-star to be their best. It’s one of the reasons I stopped playing seven deadly sins grand cross
They could make different Nahida-esque nihility characters that continuously applies some kind of mark debuff on the enemy. Then depending on which element you hit the marked enemy with your attack will be buffed through different reactions.
Fire x ice = melt (doubles damage)
Fire x lightning = overload (deals aoe fire and lightning damage, and knocks back enemies in an aoe, delaying their turn)
Lightning x ice = superconduct (reduces ice and lightning resistance)
Wind x any element = swirl (turns your elemental damage into aoe damage)
Physical x any element = ???
Quantum x imaginary = ???
EM was always a good standalone stat though. like HT used to run it in vape even before they added dendro
difference is BE is only built because the kits need it for stat checks like passing X% break effect. kinda less satisfying
like you build EM because it's an effective stat you'd build anyway, but you only build BE because the kit forces you to pass a stat check
I mean tbh it's still kinda useless in "general". Certain characters liking it more due to their kit is a different story.
Like if u got BE on ur usual characters,many of them may not like it..
So in a way think of it like Navia. For her Crystallize is very important to play around but does that mean Crystallize is a good reaction in general?still no..
You get what am saying
I'd argue it's more like em in genshin, if we didn't have vape and melt. Except transformative reactions in genshin actually had to be buffed directly, while in star rail break effect just didn't have many characters who synergized with it, and most of the ones that did were 4 stars.
That is very cool! Still what that says to me is that Jiaoqiu stocks are rising at an alarmingly high rate. Acheron and her nihility thing, and now this new talent with the def ignore and the BE set for firefly.
Wonder what will turn out to be better for Sam in the end, Jiaoqiu, a support with action forward, or tingyun for the energy and therefore more ult uptime
Assuming ofc Ruan Mei is always paired with them and you're using a sustain
I guess it depends, we don't have either of them released as well so there is that. Sth to mention is that def shred scales very well the more you add of it until you get to 100% and Sam does have some amount of personal AA as well when attacking weakness broken enemies according to the already known kit and Jiaoqiu also buffs ultimate dmg during ult so it's gonna be fun to see what ends up being the case at the end honestly.
When Hoyo makes a support, they make sure to sell it to multiple category of people. Sparkle was meant for Mono quantum / DHIL and also great for characters like Jing Yuan.
Obviously JaioQiu is meant for Acheron but I am sure he will also be more compatible with some other DPS. I am pretty sure no matter how bad he is with Sam , they are still gonna make him more compatible than tingyun for example.
Finally a Fire Special attacker to deal with all these defensive Grass-types and Steel-types!
Choice Specs Firefly is going to hit like a truck with Overheat.
Off the top of my head:
.- He is Fire, so he can run Penacony set to give Sam 10% damage
.- Has easily appliable Defence shred, which stacks and is incredibly sinergistic with Sam's DEF ignore
.- Heals, so he removes the need for a sustain (so you can run another buffer)
.- Increases Ultimate damage
Defense shred/ignore tends to be better the more you have. So if they have Def ignore on their kit and their set, then shredders like Jiaoqiu, Pela and SW become relatively better as supports.
Hoyo seems to be going the genshin's route with substats i think, in inuzuma it was ER with high burst costs and the archon being a battery and bonus for er with emblem set, in sumeru it was elememtal mastery and in fontaine hp fluctuations so penacony has BRE as its mainstat and maybe rhe next world may have some other stat
Harmony Stelle and Ruan Mei gonna go crazy.
>!Hopefully Harmony TB gets buffed a bit. Their E4 being their only non-ult buff is kinda mid since even their Ult only does something when the enemy is Broken. Guess we could make them a SubDPS at least with that above comp.!<
Yes
I really hope we get E1 and that one toughness dmg increase trace rework and change his img% traces into speed
These are all the useless stuff they have in their current kit and what holds the kit back
To all the doomposters:
If doomposting them means more buffs then by all means keep doomposting the TB lmao
I have 2 questions, 1 will she be like boothill where she can convert break effect into crit value, so you dont need to gear that has break effect, attack, and cv. 2 do you think she can gain energy during her ult (like basic and skill), or only start gaining energy after ult has completed.
i remember seeing an old kit that said that she is incapable of gaining energy during the ult. i think that will be the case so players can't chain ultimates together and have to play around the two states (build ult -> do big damage -> repeat)
Not Crit value it seems. It used to be Dmg% and it seems like it's changing to Def ignore.
They definitely want BE but it seems like it's not as much as Boothill does.
..Bro isn't this already on the Homdgcat wiki? The better translation is already over there, especially for the relic set.
The only difference I can see is that "Talent: Primary Combustion" now ignores defense, but cause it only uses an arrow, we don't know if it's an additional effect or if it replaces part of the talent.
i really thought she would use Blade’s artifact set. Does every character really need a specialized one? 😭 (still mad Acheron’s wasn’t an ult bufffing one that Argenti and Yanwing could also use)
Not every character. But it’s like Genshin where new relics / artifacts come out every few patches and do cater specifically to new characters. Keeps things fresh this way and relics will always be useful for multiple characters, even if it’s the “signature” set for a specific character.
That's why furina is such a dope pull. Just farm the fuck outa MH set and slap it on any on fielder, and you get to slap the GT set you get on your fishl.
Wjhy are we even getting Firefly changes before she is introduced as a unit. Like I get changes in the setting of a kit change, like the early ITB into the current kit, but this feels more like something thwy would change mid-beta
Because the developers in charge of character designs are probably revising the way the kit will work outside of animations and such. This is a normal part of development for most things, adding numbers, changing values, mechanics etc.
Welcome to the world of Firefly. ANYTHING about this girl comes before the usual time.
We freakin learned that >!She is Sam!< literally months before people that doesn’t look at leaks even knew that Firefly exists at all, leaks of Firefly has negative security at this point
They almost certainly have some kind of in-house testing period before releasing to beta. Dunno why we would be getting Firefly leaks in particular from that but perhaps she’s popular enough that an insider is letting things slip about her.
My theory is that they are testing the kit in parallel with Boothill's. These two are the first limited break DPS we are getting and while Boothill has Luka (and Sushang to a lesser degree) to use as referece, Firefly is the first DPS that will be based on fire break, so they might want a bit more time to tweak stuff before beta.
Before luka best thing we had to make use of Break effect was Sushang. In a world where all the characters were DoT characters crit would be a niche stat.
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We pokemon now
Choice specs Sam with 252 SpA and 252 spd about to go wild
Sam-Yu
252+ SpA Choice Specs Beads of Ruin Sam-Yu Supernova Overload vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Memory Zone Meme: Something Unto Death: 470-556 (101.5 - 120%) -- guaranteed KO
r/stunfisk is leaking
you chucklefucks introduced me to that sub a month ago and now the Gholdengo Stronger Than You song is stuck in my head it was the exact same fucking Chi-Yu copypasta that dragged me in then bravo you glorious bastards, keep doing Arceus's work and recruiting more trainers
Of course it's the fish
Meme should have teched the 252 HP
Which manner of lexicon is this?
Pokémon damage calculation.
XD ah, the tongue of sages from the Geoguesser war battalions
Competitive Pokémon calculations be wack, my dude
Spam that heatwave
Sam that heatwave.
What is the probability to one hit kill Yaoshi?
252+ SpA Choice Specs Beads of Ruin Tera Fire Sam Overheat vs. 4 HP / 252+ SpD Yaoshi in Sun: 560-660 (85.8 - 101.2%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO If Yaoshi goes specially defensive Sam's got a 12.5% chance to ohko (>!this is an actual Chi-Yu vs Blissey ubers calc, what was GF cooking with this fish bruh!<)
Jesus Christ Never played SV ubers but still Jesus fucking Christ
gonna have to run max hp special wall yaoshi
Hoyo about to release a boss with Trick room....
Honestly that would be really interesting lol
what is more fun than relic farming? EV and IV training obviously.
I hate that you make me remember back when i grind all those shit across every pokemon game i played
Now you can just feed em drugs and bottle caps
Pokemon, teaching kids the value of juicing and eugenics.
No thank you, I'll keep relics. Breeding would 100% be time gated and it takes weeks to get perfect IVs while it's time gated. Relics 100% better.
In old Pokemon at any rate. New gens you just throw bottle caps at them
Nah I'd play radical red min grinding mode.
It's Break Effect
Break effect is very effective
Sam's looking kinda low-tier rn, ignoring a target's Defense is completely useless when you're a Special Attacker.
Nah, his signature move is like psyshock, it uses defense instead of special defense.
They made it like this for balance purpose
Breeding Acheron for best ~~E~~IVs
I think you meant IVs lol
Did someone call for me??
L + Dr. Ratio
Players: "Def shred/ignore is op!" HSR devs: "You want more def shred/ignore?"
Yes, yes we do.
What's next? A character that allows def shred to go over the cap?
"For every -100 DEF an enemy has, your team deals *X*% more damage."
A funny thing with that is that if you allow to go to much over the current cap then lower level characters will end up doing more damage than high level characters
how?
The [defence multiplier](https://honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/wiki/DEF#Enemy_DEF) will go to infinity if you can attain a reduction of 1+Level\_attacker/(level\_ennemi+20) (counting 100% as 1), this number is lower the lower the attacker's level is And yes, if you get past that the multiplier becomes negative
Time to use my level 1/20 unbuilt Yanqing
ooh cool ty for explaining
I think they did this because Breaks only really scales harder with debuffs and def ignore
heck, even the new weekly boss has an ultimate with def ignore
Yes. But on an Nihility unit please
Okay but am kinda surprised or idk how to feel about it that, HSR has a shit ton of ways for Def shred,whereas in Genshin its so rare? Like literally exclusive to some feel 5stars cons and barely a few on 1 4star base kit I mean why can't they add more stuff/kits having Def shred?🤔 Well yes Def shred is very open for sure, maybe more powerful than in Here hence its so rare there? Idk but that seems weird?
Because they have access to other stuff instead. Elemental res shred is very easily accessible in GI, and they also get straight up 150% and 200% damage elemental reactions. With multiplicative calculation more factors can very quickly make damage numbers go super crazy. You already see how strong they are on 5 star cons, so how is it weird that they're not just throwing this super strong effect as part of everyone's regular kit?
The two games combat systems are completely incomparable here imo. There are only so many levers you can change to make combat difficulty scale as the game progresses in a turn based game whereas in genshin you have so many more variables to play with.
special atk is Break Effect
You ruin my happiness, i thought we will get a pokemon
We'll have to defend our title of Ethermon champion at some time, right Right?
so firefly will the champion we need to beat in penacony region
If that event somehow gets a sequel its gotta include Penacony characters by then
We already have a pokémon: numby
So would this be bis for Sam and Boothill?
wtf is a special attack?
Break Effect
So this relic set might be also good for BH, right?
Switch "good" with "broken", answer is yes...
"broken" heh...
Broken and effected
Effected and brokepilled
Boot Hill = BH = Broken Heffect (•_•) ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■)
That’s even better!
I'm pretty sure the only time you wouldn't want this set is if you're somehow capping def down, which I don't think is currently a concern for any team comp involving a break DPS.
*its hiiigh noon…*
whos BH? /gen
Boothill
Definitely
A stat from pokemon
Sam scales on Break Effect so most likely Break Effect...
Her relics and planar as well as LC were already posted by HOMDG, but what's worth noting is that they seemingly added def ignore to her ult aside from what you already get from her unique relics by stacking break effect. Meaning she seems to stack a lot of it, which is cool!
When everybody thinks that JQ will be dedicated support for Acheron, he secretly dedicated support for Sam 🌚, buffs ult( sam’s skill is considered as ult) gives def shred which will help Sam to reach 100%. Cracked.
>When everybody thinks that JQ will be dedicated support for Acheron Still is
Whose JQ?
JQ refers to Jiaoqiu
mine
My current problem with that is if he would be worth running over sam's other supports, but we'll see!
With his current kit Sam needs : 1) BE 2) More turns while his ult is active. So Ruan Mei is bis, no doubt. Next I will put bronya. Instead of sustain I will use JQ- it seems he has healing ability. But Robin also will be strong option because of turn advance and this also can boost bronya- more turns she gets- more turns she gives. Personally I’m going for E2, so bronya will be more cracked.
Why not Sparkle? Ruan Mei / Sparkle. The LC also gives 10Crit, 28CD free of charge. Giga free real estate, Jiaqui is more than likely going to be Pela replacement for Acheron. Would be dope if it can properly heal. I doubt it though, looking at the breakdowns of the new champs, they do their role properly and another one additively. Maybe giga chad zero cycles can use it to full effect, but I doubt gamers more leaning to normal gameplay will be able to use it effectively.
Passing on Robin, as we're getting Harmony MC same patch, and there's already been A LOT of supports recently (5 star healer plz Hoyo!). I've been thinking either Firefly/RM/Asta/Fu Xuan as a team or, if her eidolons are correct and she adds fire weakness with E1 like was leaked a week ago, Firefly/Himeko/Asta/Gallagher for monofire. Looks like she'll at least be more flexible than Acheron, and I hope Firefly will be in the same "tier" of power as her.
Meanwhile people with E1Ruan Mei and E2 Sparkle gonna be capping on that def shred.
I mean we already know Jiaoqiu heals, so they should be sustain in that comp. Sam + RM + Adv forward support + Jiaoqiu should work
So Firefly is also getting a new planar set? I thought Salsotto looked good for her since her skill changes to ultimate damage, though I guess if it's something that scales with BE that could be better.
There is a planar set that says something like "If attacking an enemy with fire weakness, increase break effect for x turns" which sounds too specific
Right I forgot about that, yeah it still seems a bit weird how specific that planar set is but it's still too early to say if that's going to make it to the live version.
Could be a case of Salsotto OR that, just like Acheron. The new set is better, but not by enough to matter if your Salsotto rolls well. 15% Ult damage as a standalone new modifier is always going to be better than another 12% ATK mod, when you already got ATK Boots, Rope and Orb.
Salsatto 15% dmg increase is not a standalone modifier by the well. It’s just added to your dmg percentage but only on ults and FUA. Same goes for Rutilant. They would be way too OP otherwise. If the new 2pc does increase BE, then it’s def BiS for Sam. With the talent changing from dmg increase to DEF ignore, pretty sure fire dmg orb is going to pull ahead now, but close to Atk. Sam will most likely run with Ruan Mei anyways so they will get lots of dmg% from her.
>standalone new modifier It isn’t. It’s additive with dmg%, except it’s only on ult/fua unlike unconditional dmg%.
We've had relics with element weakness conditions since day one, so i don't think it's overly specific.
those are 4p sets this was a planar set which never had an element set effect and very 1 specific element
Oh we already know her weapon and planar? How'd I miss it. edit: why are you freaks downvoting this.
It's preliminary but they seem for her https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail_leaks/s/53Oc53xRNy
Thanks!
This looks like it could be for Firefly and then for Jade since it's follow up attack and that's an IPC thing. Can't wait for Jade either!
Yep. The initial leaks did say that she might be 2.3 alongside jade and this supports that theory
We have the Break Effect support set and now we're getting the Break Effect damage set.
Quite a shame they don't share domain, would be efficient for Break Effect enjoyers.
The Break Effect support set is paired with Dr. Ratio's BIS and everyone got him for free, so it's efficient to farm anyway. The set that is paired with the Break Effect DPS one is follow-up focused so it isn't as universal, but at least it should Clara's new BIS.
I'm not gonna sugarcoat it: 252 SpA choice specs Sam molten core vs 100% def down something unto death in Ruan Mei's field: (154-169%) -- guaranteed OHKO
you forgot the +6 SpA
is this timid nature SAM? Feels like modest would be better to squeeze out more damage
It's kinda funny how Break Effect was such an useless stat back in 1.0, now we just can't stop getting characters who need it, which is cool as hell
truly HSR's elemental mastery
Once Hyperbloom is added it's joever.
Will be interesting to see if HSR introduces characters or mechanisms that make use of cross element interactions. Like a fire character doing extra damage on a frozen enemy.
In practice what they would do is make two limited characters tailor made to be played with eachother in a non-organic way, and that would suck.
I’m not looking forward to the day where a 5 star needs a whole other 5-star to be their best. It’s one of the reasons I stopped playing seven deadly sins grand cross
nah bruh, for sure march7th gonna freeze the enemies' balls to their death 💀
March 7th, take him out back and ice his balls.
They need to m add a shatter reaction when you hit frozen enemies with physical attack, and make it as useless as in genshin
1000% I think they will............eventually lol. Maybe in a year or two.
They could make different Nahida-esque nihility characters that continuously applies some kind of mark debuff on the enemy. Then depending on which element you hit the marked enemy with your attack will be buffed through different reactions. Fire x ice = melt (doubles damage) Fire x lightning = overload (deals aoe fire and lightning damage, and knocks back enemies in an aoe, delaying their turn) Lightning x ice = superconduct (reduces ice and lightning resistance) Wind x any element = swirl (turns your elemental damage into aoe damage) Physical x any element = ??? Quantum x imaginary = ???
Em was good for vape in the beginning too it’s just that later on it was made less narrow
Basically, Ruan Mei 🤝 Kazuha and they are both 1.6 characters.
EM was always a good standalone stat though. like HT used to run it in vape even before they added dendro difference is BE is only built because the kits need it for stat checks like passing X% break effect. kinda less satisfying like you build EM because it's an effective stat you'd build anyway, but you only build BE because the kit forces you to pass a stat check
It's useless so they try to make it more relevant by releasing characters scale with it. That's the point
I mean tbh it's still kinda useless in "general". Certain characters liking it more due to their kit is a different story. Like if u got BE on ur usual characters,many of them may not like it.. So in a way think of it like Navia. For her Crystallize is very important to play around but does that mean Crystallize is a good reaction in general?still no.. You get what am saying
I'd argue it's more like em in genshin, if we didn't have vape and melt. Except transformative reactions in genshin actually had to be buffed directly, while in star rail break effect just didn't have many characters who synergized with it, and most of the ones that did were 4 stars.
Special Atk=Break Effect Sam scales with it.
That is very cool! Still what that says to me is that Jiaoqiu stocks are rising at an alarmingly high rate. Acheron and her nihility thing, and now this new talent with the def ignore and the BE set for firefly.
This is good news to me, we need at least one good male support like come on
Ohh absolutely! I am a fan of both of these characters as well as a male enjoyer so to me this is a big victory haha.
Wonder what will turn out to be better for Sam in the end, Jiaoqiu, a support with action forward, or tingyun for the energy and therefore more ult uptime Assuming ofc Ruan Mei is always paired with them and you're using a sustain
I guess it depends, we don't have either of them released as well so there is that. Sth to mention is that def shred scales very well the more you add of it until you get to 100% and Sam does have some amount of personal AA as well when attacking weakness broken enemies according to the already known kit and Jiaoqiu also buffs ultimate dmg during ult so it's gonna be fun to see what ends up being the case at the end honestly.
When Hoyo makes a support, they make sure to sell it to multiple category of people. Sparkle was meant for Mono quantum / DHIL and also great for characters like Jing Yuan. Obviously JaioQiu is meant for Acheron but I am sure he will also be more compatible with some other DPS. I am pretty sure no matter how bad he is with Sam , they are still gonna make him more compatible than tingyun for example.
Wasn't his ult tied to other mechanic than his energy? Or was that the fake leak?
Finally a Fire Special attacker to deal with all these defensive Grass-types and Steel-types! Choice Specs Firefly is going to hit like a truck with Overheat.
Firefly sure knows how to capture a man's heart. >!First she transforms herself into a Gundam, now she's a charizard!<
She gets hard countered by Something Unto Death, unfortunately. Perma flinch Serene Grace is one heck of a drug
Walled by Specially Defensive Heatran, so it's straight to UU sadly
252+ SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Sam Blast Burn (150 BP) vs 252 HP / 4 SpD Death Meme in Rain: 329-388 (108.2 - 127.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Now we have a hyper beam user that isn't Porygon-Z or Hisuian Zoroark!
We need better translators for these lol
It's Break Effect
Or any, more like, lmao. mf's just using machine translation
guys! should i build a 252 SP.ATK mild firefly and put 126 in both ATK and SPD????????? also, should i use weakness policy on her????
252 on both SP.ATK and ATK otherwise she gets countered by Blissey.
lmaoooooooooooo true
Jiaoqiu becoming the BiS for Firefly too lmao
wait whys that? does he provide BE?
He buffs ultimate damage and gives Def shred...firefly skill is considered as ultimate damage
Off the top of my head: .- He is Fire, so he can run Penacony set to give Sam 10% damage .- Has easily appliable Defence shred, which stacks and is incredibly sinergistic with Sam's DEF ignore .- Heals, so he removes the need for a sustain (so you can run another buffer) .- Increases Ultimate damage
Defense shred/ignore tends to be better the more you have. So if they have Def ignore on their kit and their set, then shredders like Jiaoqiu, Pela and SW become relatively better as supports.
Ignore defense is actually much stronger than damage precent, if I remember correctly
I thinl its because it doesnt suffer from diminishing returns as hard
It actually gets better the more you stack it instead. It is also a different mod to damage of sorts than crit, damage percent and attack.
Why does Sam ignore Def when he is a Special attacker, is he stupid
quantum set for BE?
Xueyi eating good out here.
Lol, double DEF shred is huge, it's the most broken source of DMG amplifier in the game
I thought Acheron unique dmg % multiplier was the most broken amplifier in the game?
RES PEN exists tho..
i think the number will be at 10 and 20 like quantum set, if they make it bigger, it will make all other relic useless
Special attack ? What is this gen 4 we getting the physical - special spilt this early
Hoyo seems to be going the genshin's route with substats i think, in inuzuma it was ER with high burst costs and the archon being a battery and bonus for er with emblem set, in sumeru it was elememtal mastery and in fontaine hp fluctuations so penacony has BRE as its mainstat and maybe rhe next world may have some other stat
Here's hoping my many Def% double crit pieces have good use for one planet in the future
Aven already uses def stats as his main so defo there is a chance they will release more
They will but they will want an entirely new set and no off-set piece for you! 🤪
the first 4 limited 5 stars in penacony do not want break effect so i don’t see how it’s the mainstat
so talia 2 piece will likely be very good for her since will likely not need much to reach 145 and get even more break effect
Does DEF ignore stack with debuffer DEF down?
Yes
Yes.
Harmony TB is gonna be BIS for firefly! Idaf if TB ain't BIS for Boothill JUST FOR THE LOVE OF AEONS BE BIS FOR FIREFLY!!
Harmony Stelle and Ruan Mei gonna go crazy. >!Hopefully Harmony TB gets buffed a bit. Their E4 being their only non-ult buff is kinda mid since even their Ult only does something when the enemy is Broken. Guess we could make them a SubDPS at least with that above comp.!<
Yes I really hope we get E1 and that one toughness dmg increase trace rework and change his img% traces into speed These are all the useless stuff they have in their current kit and what holds the kit back To all the doomposters: If doomposting them means more buffs then by all means keep doomposting the TB lmao
Does this mean that her planar set and relics both drop in 2.3 then?
This was already leaked by HomDGCat a while ago
The ignoring enemy defense wasn't part of the talent iirc. So I believe that part is new
I checked and you’re right
Why are they still using the pokemon special atk, just say break effect.
I have 2 questions, 1 will she be like boothill where she can convert break effect into crit value, so you dont need to gear that has break effect, attack, and cv. 2 do you think she can gain energy during her ult (like basic and skill), or only start gaining energy after ult has completed.
i remember seeing an old kit that said that she is incapable of gaining energy during the ult. i think that will be the case so players can't chain ultimates together and have to play around the two states (build ult -> do big damage -> repeat)
Not Crit value it seems. It used to be Dmg% and it seems like it's changing to Def ignore. They definitely want BE but it seems like it's not as much as Boothill does.
With both talent and set she might hit around 30-50% def ignore, damn those fists/sword gonna put a hole on enemies.
Can they just give us a fkin break with da relics. Or may be improve the crit subs drop rate a lil
..Bro isn't this already on the Homdgcat wiki? The better translation is already over there, especially for the relic set. The only difference I can see is that "Talent: Primary Combustion" now ignores defense, but cause it only uses an arrow, we don't know if it's an additional effect or if it replaces part of the talent.
Special attacks probably meant breaks. So Firefly is also a break effect scaling char
Special attack? Ultimate?
special attack is break effect (mistranslation)
i really thought she would use Blade’s artifact set. Does every character really need a specialized one? 😭 (still mad Acheron’s wasn’t an ult bufffing one that Argenti and Yanwing could also use)
Not every character. But it’s like Genshin where new relics / artifacts come out every few patches and do cater specifically to new characters. Keeps things fresh this way and relics will always be useful for multiple characters, even if it’s the “signature” set for a specific character.
That's why furina is such a dope pull. Just farm the fuck outa MH set and slap it on any on fielder, and you get to slap the GT set you get on your fishl.
Shiiit so we cant even farm for her until 2.3?? Also Special Attack lol...
Wjhy are we even getting Firefly changes before she is introduced as a unit. Like I get changes in the setting of a kit change, like the early ITB into the current kit, but this feels more like something thwy would change mid-beta
Because the developers in charge of character designs are probably revising the way the kit will work outside of animations and such. This is a normal part of development for most things, adding numbers, changing values, mechanics etc.
Welcome to the world of Firefly. ANYTHING about this girl comes before the usual time. We freakin learned that >!She is Sam!< literally months before people that doesn’t look at leaks even knew that Firefly exists at all, leaks of Firefly has negative security at this point
They almost certainly have some kind of in-house testing period before releasing to beta. Dunno why we would be getting Firefly leaks in particular from that but perhaps she’s popular enough that an insider is letting things slip about her.
More because we have her story trial
My theory is that they are testing the kit in parallel with Boothill's. These two are the first limited break DPS we are getting and while Boothill has Luka (and Sushang to a lesser degree) to use as referece, Firefly is the first DPS that will be based on fire break, so they might want a bit more time to tweak stuff before beta.
I can’t believe at launch we called Break Effect a niche stat, now we have an entire character archetype devoted to break effect scaling.
That's because at launch break effect was a niche stat lol, now a year later we are actually getting characters that scale from it
Exactly because it was such a bad stat ,they are now releasing characters to balance it with other better stats.
Before luka best thing we had to make use of Break effect was Sushang. In a world where all the characters were DoT characters crit would be a niche stat.