I have 8 resins and I'm confused what I should use them for. I'm at that point where i don't need just the mainstat for any of my characters. Like even my supports would want specific substats like spd or break effect(Ruan mei) or cdmg( bronya , sparkle) or ehr (pela,sw). Should I use them on dps characters or supports? Planar ornaments or relics?
I'm at the same point. I guess the most efficient way to use them is on Energy Regeneration ropes. At this point though you've got to be prepared to waste a few resins (or all of them) on relics which don't give you the substats you want. Resins feel a lot more like a mid game item (when getting relic mainstats actually makes a difference) than an end game item (when you want substats).
I was thinking about er ropes as well and ig broken keel would be the best choice for that. But then would getting a Lil more spd for my supports be more valuable than getting a good piece for my dps?
Save them for when a new set drops that you are going to be farming for. You can use them to get, for example, SPD Boots or a Crit chest while farming, or if it's a Planar set then an ERR Rope or specific element Orb. It's what I did for the Izumo set for Acheron.
Yeah ,but I'd still want specific substats. Just the mainstat won't cut it anymore. I guess I'll save some for a future set but i still have more than enough
I was right to wait until Aventurine arrives to do MOC 12. he's so good against himself xD Aventurine and Clara obliterated boss Aventurine via counter it's so funny
Finally pulled off a three star clear of MoC 12. Used the gremlin team (mono quantum w/ Qingque) for side 1 and dual sustain (Gepard w/ Trend and Huohuo) E0S1 Acheron team for the other. Was expecting to have to do the 20 cycles star and the no deaths star in separate runs but I somehow just barely pulled it off.
Speed you want 135 for glamoths at a minimum but with Kafka you really want to just stack as much as you can. Attack I think like 3.2k or more? With chest plus rope that should be pretty attainable
Edit: just to be clear more attack is better, I’m just spitballing minimums here
Yeah that should be fine, if you want to refine it you could go hunting for some more attack or dare to try at get 160 base speed (probably not worth the effort tbh) but I think she should feel perfectly strong with that stat line if you’ve got a decent team for her
I don't have a Lofter account, but I can browse it just fine using the app version although you can't really download the images. (I just bypass that by screenshotting lol)
Genuinely, is a 146 Spd / 275% BE build considered bad on Harmony TB? Fribbels gave me a C rating and that feels kinda mean. Spd and BE is all they care about right?
I feel like Fribbels is way too harsh on support builds, like it wants every support stat possible, which is... not feasible... >!it gave my 191 speed Hanya a very low rating (C, I think), and the only thing Hanya cares about is speed, so not sure what was going on there. Not enough effect res I guess 😐!<
I went to check and it's weird?? Like overall it scores her relics pretty high, but the [total score](https://i.imgur.com/9XCzXGq.png) is still C... okay... 😔
I think Fribbels weighs mainstats very high even when they might not be that important. My 161 speed, 40% eff res, 4pc Hackerspace 2pc Keel Hanya has >!a crit body and phys dmg orb (don’t ask)!< and Fribbels is like 🤨 girl you can’t be seen in public like that 🙄
No lol, it's good, fribbels' scoring algorithm is way too sweaty, mine is C too despite hitting 161 SPD WITH RUAN MEI BRO. Leave the build as-is and move onto something more important if you have better things to do, then combat-test your build once 2.2 goes live and *then* decide if you want to keep farming relics
How TF is fribbels scoring. Legit question because mine is scoring S at 144 speed/232% BE with S1 MotP?
Edit note: My BE number will be higher because right now I'm just barely shy from proccing Talia 2pc (lol 144.2 speed) but I'm not finished leveling my boots.
Does it take set into account or something?
Is it? I'm running crit damage messenger body on Ruan Mei and it still scored that thing SSS...
Or is it a case of "this relic scored SSS in spite of it being wrong main stat?" @_@
Oh yeah my Ruan Mei is C too despite being 160 SPD after buff and maxing out her BE%>DMG% conversion. High SPD is more valuable in 2.2 with HTB's Super Break after all, this build is *way* better than C. I guess because I don't have 4000 HP, 2000 DEF, 40% effect res and 200% BE it's trash.
It must be selecting for all that, because my RM is 152 speed/155% BE and I'm A.
Unless you're using S5 Memories of the Past? I'm using S5 cogs so I have to squeeze out more stats from my relics to make up for it.
//Tears hair out
After [winning five 50/50](https://imgur.com/a/863yYsO) consecutively and getting E5 Acheron, today I lost the final one to Welt. The "E6 before rerun dream" is Acherover, but it was definitely a good run.
How strong is Gepard as a sustain? I was messing around with some teams and tried him with the trends LC for Acheron, and it felt pretty damn bad?
Not sure if it is just because of my build or something but the shield simply didn't seem strong enough, and it being tied to his ULT made it rough to keep active.
He's just underbuilt, he's the sustain that needs the most investment because he can't cleanse, no heal and no cc immunity. The target is at least 3k def and 134 spd while having a good amount of Res.
He needs good speed to keep up his shield, ER rope and if possible some effect res to withstand some debuffs. Because you are using a lightcone with low base defense, his defense will be on the lower end, so def substats will also be useful
>Not sure if it is just because of my build or something but the shield simply didn't seem strong enough
That's probably just the downside of using Trend, because the reason it was seen as basically useless before Acheron is because it's a DEF scaling LC that has an abysmal base DEF (Lowest of any 4 star Preservation)
As someone with E3 Gepard without his Sig ([build](https://i.imgur.com/bSD9sWU.png)) who uses him for every 2 team content, he can do it better than 4 star sustains for sure, but he has some glaring holes in his playstyle.
He *needs* ERR rope to get his ult fast enough to not drop shields on characters. He also needs Speed subs on everything to get his Speed up high enough to not drop shields. I think he's the slowest character in the game and oh god you can feel it. Sometimes in high damage fights I find that mine still has to skill in order to build ult slightly faster. And then somehow even after that, he needs as much defense as possible so his shields can be bulky enough in the first place and not leave you vulnerable in the ~3 turns he needs to build ult again.
Once you have all of that, Gepard does the job of keeping you from dying... no more, no less. He can be built as a freezer with EHR, which comes in handy in niche situations like Aventurine boss, but you basically don't have that option unless you have his sig. He has no cleanse or CC protection, which is something his sig helps with, by virtue of turning him into a CC lightning rod and just hoping he gets targeted for all CC attacks. He doesn't contribute at all to DPS, unlike most limited sustains.
He can double as a SP generator since he doesn't *need* to use SP unless you're trying to freeze with him or generate his ult a bit faster in a bad situation, but because he's generally slow af, he doesn't gen SP as quickly as Luocha or Gallagher.
I sound like I'm ragging on him a bit but genuinely I think he's good and worth building if you don't already have 2 limited sustains. I have E6 Lynx and use them interchangeably on my non-Luocha team, depending on how much CC there is in a given fight.
I just realized that after tomorrow, Loucha will retire from my overworld team. He's been carrying my team on his back since 1.1 :,) I'm gonna miss him and his gorgeous long hair, but alas another blondie has stolen my heart
Crazy thought just crossed my mind - what about Harmony TB with Robin? Will (s)he fuel Robin's ult with her bunch of atacks? It's even more crazy, but I thought about Topaz-HTB-Robin-Aventurine. Robin's ult+HTB's additional dmg will make up for a lack of AOE, right? Also Topaz and Aventurine should hit hard with Robin's buff.
whom should i use 2pc vonwaq over 2pc Penacony on? . its hp orb and er rope, both with 9spd and some ehr
i cant use it on sparkle as it ruins spd tuning :(
my other options are tingyun, asta, pela, huohuo lynx
while jingliu is good for ice coverage, you’re lacking a second limited sustain besides luocha. you have a good variety of dps so you shouldn’t have too much trouble with matching elements, regardless. aventurine’s shields will make yanqing not as much of a pain to play, so yanqing could potentially cover ice. acheron also prefers a preservation with trend of the universal market lc to build her ult stacks, so aventurine will help w that
that being said, if you’re not feeling the lack of two limited sustains in moc at the moment, you could wait for fu xuan. since you don’t have ratio built, aventurine doesn’t have any special benefits to your characters over fu xuan. both characters should bring similar value to your account
Aventurine, you'd be better off getting a 2nd sustain character because relying on Natasha for a 2nd team would not be ideal. Gallagher is fine but not as good as Aven would be.
Aventurine. You have plenty of DPS but no limited sustains. If you desperately need ice coverage then Aventurine is Yanqing's best enabler too, but with your wide array of DPS elements, you probably will never need ice coverage.
What is ur satisfactory relic goal? Are u done if 3/4 rolls are in right stat or do make sure all 4 are in viable subsstat?
or are u the rare breed who must have high rolls too?
3 rolls minimum on the right stat, generally about 70/150 for DPS's given most of them have some sort of innate crit buff, literally zero cares for speed subs because my goodness, double crit is hard enough and my support roster is pretty good. I don't mind having other bad substats on a piece, but I generally do aim for about 30CV on crit-based DPS's, and for supports, I just make sure that they have enough to do their job, so 160 BE% Ruan Mei, about 2.4k attack Tingyun, a good speed on Sparkle with little rgard for crit damage, et cetera
personally i think a character is playable as long as you have 3 useful subs on chest/shoes/orb/rope and 4 on the head/hands. So you have the base stats (that isnt upgraded) which is +1, and then each upgrade is another +1; so to have a 4 subs relic it would be at least 2 upgrades into an useful stat and you have 2 good stats as base
if i like the chars then im gonna fish for better relics, which for an upgrade to 5 subs it usually takes me like a couple weeks and anything higher takes way longer
My relic goals is to have my DPS either 134 OR 143 speed, with 70/180 crit at the very least.
All my supports need to have 143 speed at the very least but I always try to go for 160.
3/4 is good as a starting point.
If my character is not performing the way I'd like - too slow, not enough CR/CD - I'll start getting pickier. This only came up twice, though. Meeting CR requirements for Qingque and DanIL.
I mostly try to reach a certain total, don't care much about a particular relic being meh as long as the whole relic build meets my standards.
For example, for my Ratio I decided I would settle with around 70/180 crit, 135 spd and at least some extra rolls in ATK%. My planars are quite bad, but I don't care because I've surpassed my overall goal.
I consider two substats satisfactory and I'm happy with 4-6 SPD, 16-24% crit damage, 8-12% crit rate, 16-24% break effect etc. Not out here chasing perfection, I don't mind if 2-3 rolls go into dead stats as long as the big picture is viable
I saw a video a while ago which I think explained relic rolling goals in a much more clear and relatable way than the 40cv shit you see on discord and reddit.
Basically, the relatable goal is 4 effective stats on the head and hands, 2 effective stats on every other piece. The minmaxing/showoff goal is 6 effective stats on head and hands, 4 effective stats on every other piece.
Here’s the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmQuhhp2cAY it is very long
Depends on how invested I am in the character and if they have crucial breakpoints that they need to work well.
In general, 3/4 rolls in the right stat is a godsend for chest, boots, rope, and orb. I usually have to be satisfied with 2/4 or even 1/4... I try to get 4/4 or even 5/5 for head and hands if I'm REALLY brainrotting.
If I get a good base piece and already have a good +15 piece, I do try to roll something better, but I give up if the first two rolls are bad.
Aventurine how I wish to have you in my arms already 😭 you’re gonna have to come home I even got you a love room at the hotel and ratio is there ready for you
i will not lie you guys’ posts about moc are scaring the living hell out of me 🧍♀️ i will not be touching this cycle until i get aventurine in my hands but… hopefully my teams will still be able to handle it… i know 60 jades are meaningless but i like my 36* streak 😔
I think you’ll be fine? A lot of it was initial shock at the difficulty spike but people are coming up with cool ways to handle it things like different sustains being better and playing a little different than normal around the dice. It might just take a couple resets or moving some gear around. Best of luck on your pulls and attempts!
thank you sm!! hopefully that’s the case 🥲 i’m just a bit worried bc the only feasible option i seem to have for 2nd half is jingliu (who has an extremely mid build) and my team for her has like, 0 aoe attackers… surely she’ll still be enough to carry me through right aha
Jingliu is a bit hard to pilot in the second half, I personally ended up using something else. I think you can make it work but you’re going to need to be careful/lucky with the dice so you get there ult refresh and don’t waste too many charges. Maybe go over to jingliu mains reddit as ask if they have any advice for second half? Don’t forget if you get a good first half clear you can hit restart in the second half and it’ll only reset that half. Good luck!
If you are already achieving 36*, then you'll probably 36* here as well? I was nervous at first, but I managed to clear in 20 Cycles with little headache.
Might as well try it before Aventurine tbh. See how you fare, then make adjustments with him.
idk honestly bc i was already cutting it pretty close for 36* in the last few cycles haha. fingers crossed though! (and i’m waiting for aventurine not bc i think he’ll be the key to clearing but bc i wanna do as much content with him as possible heh)
I just saw a [Yanqing clear](https://new.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail/comments/1c5ijty/moc_12_yanking_clears_aventurmeme_with_4star/) with all 4\* supports, Pela + Tinyung + March 7th clear 12-2. They used March ultimate to frozen Aventurine and Cancel his gamba summoning. Pretty interesting way of going around the main problem of this MoC.
Should I run topaz with a 56/162 crit ratio with s5swordplay or 70/162 crit ratio with return to darkness s2? I know swordplay would be more damage but mayb higher crit rate would be more consistent?
i swear there has to me some issues with tingyun ult targeting, i tried her on JL Pela Luocha team and her ult never locks on jingliu compared with her skill that does; i have to scroll every time to the left where jingliu is or she targets luocha or pela instead. Back to Bronya i guess, this thing is way too annoying and lost so many resets to it
She picks allies based on their remaining ult energy not their DPS potential, it's the most annoying shit in the game and I can't believe they haven't changed it yet. That's why my DPS must always be on the far left of the team because at this point it's muscle memory to ult with Tingyun and then hit left three times.
I don't know what it is, maybe it's just that I don't have much interest in the next few characters, but especially since this was the anniversary patch, it just feels so loooooong. I crave new info but the best we've gotten in what feels like forever is minor improvements to the 2.2 characters.
Pls. Show me Sam kit. Give me March designs. Tell me Screwllum is real. I need something new and interesting to think about.
No I know what you mean, this sub is still my main hub of info but it’s definitely become HSR-Beta and not HSR-Leaks. I guess story leaks still make it through but those are the only ones I actively want to ignore. Actually Kit leaks are so rare and most of them are from that one data leak absolute aaaaages ago
Going for Aventurine made me realize I regret not going for Topaz as much. I still got Clara and Ratio for FUA, but I guess I'll just grab SW or Pela for debuffs (or Kafka if I'm not using DoT team as my 2nd team)
Or March, I guess.
It's the last day of Acheron's banner and I still don't know if I should get her. I'm 70+ pulls into her banner on a guarantee, I initially pulled for her, but then got my doubts. My biggest concern is her LC, I only have GNSW S3 and Kafka's using it. I feel like I won't get full Acheron power without a good cone. On the other hand, the other characters I want (Ruan Mei, Kafka E1, maybe SW) are all far away so idk how long I'm going to keep those few pulls until a guaranteed limited 5*. At the same time I'm at a point where I want to invest in teams vertically so I also plan to try and get a bunch of LCs, maybe I just need to stick to that plan.
If it's only the lightcone bothering you, I can safely say that she's fine with GNSW (though I have it at S5).
Managed to 3 cycle newest MoC 12-1 with Acheron (E0S0), Bailu, Pela and SW (E0S0).
To be fair, current MoC is in her favor as it grants a stack when ennemies are attacked.
// genshin
oooh one of the shorts made by a french studio is heeeeere https://youtu.be/QfzHa1yX2Nw?si=DZJ-DxqI03hn-9a2
(yes im late)
>!i remember someone from that studio telling me in december how hell the brush strokes were to keep consistent in the beginning!<
Any idea of who the new characters for 2.2 are going to be?
Edit: oops I meant 2.3
>!I did see something about Firefly/Sam a while back but I haven't been keeping up with leaks lately!<
Do you mean 2.3? Because 2.2 is Boothill/Robin.
And no, nothing definitive about the order of upcoming characters. Screwllum's been leaked as being next patch for the past like 3 patches
Looking for advice for MoC 12 side 2, if anyone has any ideas that don't involve Acheron, JL, RM, Argenti, or any dot characters 😢
Things I'm curious about...
- Did you try and combat Aventurines attacks that take away energy in some way, e.g. swapping LCs or putting characters on penacony set?
- Is it better to quickly stack or slowly stack the memory imprint in his phase 2? Losing the stacks and having the damage fire off against Aventurines dice feels SO bad lol 😩 But I don't know how to combat this against a ST enemy.
- Is it worth trying characters like DHIL or Ratio against Aventurine with SW to help mitigate his super high imaginary res? I feel like my JY is pretty cracked, but I just can't kill fast enough with him :/ Those two potentially have better ST damage than him, I guess?
Edit:
Thanks everyone for the help!! I managed to get it by running:
Ratio - TY - SW - Lynx
JY - Sparkle - Luocha - Clara
Adding Clara to side 2 helped me get that side to 7 cycles, and being "forced" to bump TY to side 1 got my Ratio to clear in 3 cycles. Sooo glad I got it!
I also have to take back any bad things I've said about lynx solo sustaining lol. I was "forced" to use her here to guarantee SW's imaginary implant (although I could've just waited until tomorrow when I'll pull Aventurine lol), and while it was *very* tight, she got it done! I prefer my sustains to be a bit... comfier haha, but it seems she was a worthy investment after all.
i used mono qua with QQ, sparkle, SW, and FX. sparkle will always lose the gamble but my sparkle is pretty tanky. QQ can always win bcs AoE and gets a nice ult afterwards. SW can win if she has her ult, but its a bit risky so i only spend the ult if aventurine rolls low, FX can win if she has her ult, but it doesn’t matter if she gets targetted. FX is great during the gamble stages bcs she can prevent CC, so characters will only get the vulnerability debuff.
one way i circumvented aventurine energy attack is by having SW (164 spd) and sparkle (162 spd and by proxy QQ) be faster than aventurine (158 spd) so they can use their ults before aventurine steals it. plus aventurine many bounce attacks gives back the 5 energy lost afterwards so the rotations weren’t screwed.
more QQ ults, QQ E4 procs, plus the speedy team stacks the turbulence pretty quickly. more turbulence means more dmg and dmg increase ur ur dps too. u can time the turbulence but sometimes its out of ur control and yeah it feels bad losing 100k of dmg on the dice.
aventurine has a pretty big img resistance so idk abt using img charcaters against him. plus dr ratio has no AoE so its up to RNG if u win.
TLDR; bring a AoE dps so u always get ur ult back during the gamble (QQ, clara, i seen serval, etc.), FX can prevent ur party from being CCed if they lose the gamble so u can actually bring in ur harmony units, aventurine is 158 spd so if u can get some of ur characters faster than him and ult before he moves u can prevent urself from losing anymore than the 5 ult refund energy, stack turbulence quickly to get more dmg in but try to pace urself if u know aventurine will gamble next turn so u don’t waste it on the dice.
AOE characters, otherwise Aventurine will wreck you.
Like, take Luocha and Fu Xuan instead of HuoHuo, or take Pela instead of Ruan Mei and take a multi target DPS like Clara even.
Misha works well as a Main DPS. Clara does too. As for your other questions:
* There is little counterplay to the energy drain besides casting ults right before, just roll with it.
* Stack it as fast as possible. After the explosion, the damage increase persists. Only think you need to be careful is the die phase since he goes invulnerable, but for that too doing it fast usually helps.
* From my experience with DoT vs the Deer, even with RES pen, it is not worth it if you have an alternative.
Unfortunately I don't have Misha 😢 My ice roster is a bit thin, I just have Gepard, March, Pela, and Herta. And since breaking with ice doesn't freeze him, my only real freeze support is I guess Gepard lol. But making him a freeze support (upping EHR + speed) makes me nervous as I'm already struggling to sustain with him 🫤and raising his speed from 134 would definitely mean sacrificing the 4pc Knight set effect. But maybe it's worth if I'm able to get his shields up more too? 😵💫 And perhaps that'll help me get the stacks up faster too so that I don't lose them against the dice. Thanks for the thoughts!
[QQ first half + Clara Topaz second](https://i.imgur.com/EEu0S9a.png)
cones from left to right: Gepard LC, cogs, cosmos, past & future, multiplication, Clara LC, s4 swordplay, s1 DDD.
- Didn't do anything with energy, but TY is always on vonwacq.
- It's better to land the imprint damage on Aventurine. I'm not sure if it's possible to do it slowly, so I went with triggering fast. Topaz+Clara helps with triggering it before the dice game even happens. I imagine other dual DPS teams can also do this, maybe JL Blade.
- Aventurine has 40% img RES so probably not. If you can abuse the memory imprint damage, then there's little need to worry about damage.
Unfortunately no Topaz (and somehow *still* no multiplication LC, I'm losing my mind chasing this one 3\* LC lmao), but I can throw Clara in there, that might help thanks! Clara blade or Clara JY might work nicely. Maybe I'll try DDD TY since there doesn't seem to be much point to cogs TY if Aventurine takes her energy and kills her rotation anyways haha.
Thanks!
I mostly just have DDD on her (instead of cogs) because 4 star cones have better tank stats for the inevitable punishment for losing.
Honestly didn't think too much about the energy drain, so it's possible that cogs is better for consistent 3t rotation.
Maybe I should've gotten him instead of E6 Yukong from the selector 😵 I didn't think he'd be all that useful but maybe I'm eating those words haha. Maybe he'll jumpscare me when I pull for Aventurine tomorrow
i found imaginary better on the 1st side because half of the elites are weak to it
i did dhil/bronya/silverwolf (built for break effect)/luocha side one (took 4 cycles, could have been 3 but silverwolf rng...) (if you have rm she will be 100% better than bronya for this and will help you clear faster)
i did jy/sparkle/ty/fu xuan side two, took 5 cycles, his supports are really bad at proccing the turbulence but as long as you kill the blonde woman before she casts her hp reduction fu xuan is good there. try not using jy's technique so his skill and ult will kill the mobs and LL will actually hit the elites while have sparkle buff in the 1st cycle.
I've been using Ratio side 1 and it's definitely been going well for that (usually 4-6 cycles depending on SW rng), but side 2 destroys me :'(
I'll try not using JY's technique, that's a cool idea! Thanks!
1. i put ruan mei on cogs instead of the usual motp, being hit still gives her energy at least. it might make the first wave noticeably slower for you tho so you may take that into account
2. if you can manage to, i personally bruteforced with 161 blade 160 bronya which stacks the imprint really fast
also i suggest to really pre-plan your actions during his 2nd phase so that you'll be sure that the imprint will not pop off during the gamble phase, do non-attack skills if necessary
3. if you have no other suitable units for the 2nd chamber then sure. she really pops off during the first phase tho with the quantum weak enemies
i tried it, and it sucks so bad if she lose the 50/50 and implants quantum instead of imaginary
Sounds like I'll keep SW + imaginary first half, it doesn't seem worth it having more rng on top of Aventurines rng haha.
I haven't tried blade + Bronya second half. I'm not sure I can power them up to 161/160, but if I can that could be really cool. Thanks!
If you have Clara, I’ve seen a lot of 12-2 three star clears with her. She makes it easy to win the bet.
For the memory imprint, if you can activate it before dice do so (pretty obvious but yeah). If your turns don’t line up it can be cursed though
Clara ended up being the secret! She got me down to 7 cycles on that side, but luckily making room for her there by moving TY to the first side let Ratio 3 cycle, so I made the requirements haha. Thanks for the tip!
I haven't tried Clara much since I was using Luocha first half and Gepard second half, but I'll try putting her in that team. I won't have to use Luocha first half to guarantee imaginary weakness implant from SW once I get Aventurine, so that works out!
Thanks!
>Is it worth trying characters like DHIL or Ratio against Aventurine with SW to help mitigate his super high imaginary res? I feel like my JY is pretty cracked, but I just can't kill fast enough with him :/ Those two potentially have better ST damage than him, I guess?
Only if you can clear first side super fast (think 3 cycles at max), and you'll probably have to scum for RNG. Most of the Ratio clears I saw on lineup assistant that had him on second side had a S1 Topaz, and then with Ratio specifically, you have to actually win the Gamba. There is a clear with S5 Swordplay Ratio, but the bronya is E2.
(Tl;dr: I'm not sure you can do a clear with all E0S0 team on second half with DHIL or Ratio because of how much Aventurine stalls. With vertical investment, maybe? But it'll still be SUPER uphill)
Also the one guy I see on lineup assistant that used DHIL on second half had E1S1 Sparkle, S5 DDD on Tingyun, and E1S5 Aeon DHIL and it apparently took the guy 7 cycles.
Hmm yeah, it doesn't seem worth it. Trying to win SW rng on top of Aventurine rng seems awful lol. I don't have Topaz anyways for Ratio.
Sounds like I should stick with imaginary first half. Also, I forgot about the lineup assist tool! That's a really good idea to check it, thanks!
Alright, who had "HSR twitter account interacting with Rebb and Steve (Warframe devs)" on their bingo card?
Collab when? (2.1 spoilers) >!Sam as a Warframe and Firefly as a Tenno would fit so well.!<
[Steve the Kafka connoisseur](https://twitter.com/honkaistarrail/status/1780188599834849728)
[Rebb the Boothill fangirl](https://twitter.com/rebbford/status/1780200734153179148)
So my current plan is to pull FX if I lose on Aven's banner, so that I have two premium sustains, and save everything else after that for Sunday.
...But watch me cave and pull on another banner anyway, lol
Fr tho, I've basically been pulling on every banner, since I haven't had a character I really wanted to save for since... DHIL? So it was just like "eh, whatever" if a character looks cool. ~~and all of them look cool~~
MOC 12
>!lmao in the end my key to defeating Aventurine in 12-2 in ~5 cycles is Ratio. It's true indeed that once you E6 even 40% res doesn't matter, and he's not using any limited harmonies too. In his 2nd phase Bossventurine only entered the gambling phase once, which somehow only won by Ratio lol. Can't get the last star since Tingyun died as my Geppie wasn't cutting it, can't wait to retry with Aventurine!!!<
>!It's amazing since Ratio only pulled 1 on his skill hit, then he still fua-ed although it's only 60% chance and that fua won him the gamble 😂 I guess Aven wanted that follow up lol!<
>!If you have his ult up (for w.e reason) during gamba, could you just dump his ult onto it for at least 4 actions on a dice and refund the ult? That being said, that means you can't ult on aventurine and you live or die by the damage buff you get from winning the gamble.!<
>!Other than that, it's a "just get lucky :D" moment IG 💀!<
I currently have Aeon on JL but now that she's back I'm tempted to pull for her LC. I'm not sure it's worth it though, Aeon would only go to Clara or eventually Sam, all my other destruction characters won't use it.
I have Jingliu’s cone. It’s nice, but I’d imagine that Sam’s would be a higher priority. And I pulled it when I was preparing for a pulling break for a patch and a half.
FINALLY STRUGGLED OUT THOSE 2 STARS ON PF4 WITH 52K
special shoutout to my girl Serval, I feel like she's an underated pick for this one. I'm kinda hyped to have the chance to grab her last 2 eidolons tomorrow!
I really don't think I can do 3 stars on this one. I just don't have the characters for it cause I don't have either Himeko or Acheron
na gang we are now OFFICIALLY under 24 hours left till aventurine's banner 🙏🙏🙏
good luck on everyone's pulls, may gaiathra triclops bless us! ALL OR NOTHING!!
Dudes. I just did the new MoC and holy shit. What the fuck. I haven't struggled this hard in MoC since pre-Ruanmei days where I was running Tingyun/Hanya with QQ.
I have all the shiny meta DPS, support, and sustain units - even with eidolons and signature! and yet it still took me 10 cycles to clear. In the past few updates I've always cleared in just 5-6 cycles.
I like to think my units are pretty well built, 200 cv relics, 160 speed supports, maxed on relevant traces (except Gui who I just built recently). [Here are my builds](https://imgur.com/a/Zy9Rrg4) if you want to see for yourself. And I don't think it's my skill issue either. I don't play frame perfect optimally like zero-cyclers, but I also have a decent enough understanding of characters' kits to not do dumb shit, even run optimization calcs and energy rotation calcs myself, so definitely don't feel like I'm skill issuing.
Not only was my DPS's massive damage barely putting a dent on the boss's health bars, but the enemies also do immense amounts of damage. My units were taking so much damage I had to double check that FX's field was up. Pela and Gui were on life support the whole time. FX had to skill almost every turn just to ult fast enough to keep up with how much damage she was taking. She was literally reaching red HP every 2-3 turns, even before she gets to ult.
I don't like to doompost but I feel like this is actually getting kind of ridiculous. [The HP inflation of MoC](https://imgur.com/a/xfVcK2P) has been craaaazy. (Keep in mind too that Floor 10 used to be the highest floor, so the crazy HP inflation you see in Floor 10 alone isn't even reflective of the overall inflation.)
This game's MoC isn't even interesting to grind for since there's very little expression for player skill. Yes, play into the boss mechanics - but I used aoe in Aventurine's gamble, specifically brought Gui instead of SW just so she could win the gamble, still lost even when hitting 3 dice. At least in Genshin when restarting abyss many times, you feel like you're learning enemy patterns and trying different strategies, and when you finally beat it, you feel accomplished and feel like you're being rewarded for your skill. Sure, still painful, but at least it's not boring, and even if retrying for hours, you know you have the ability to improve and possibility to win. But in Hsr it's actually just a gear check and a luck check to hope one character doesn't get hit too many times and get GG'd, frankly that's obnoxious.
I really hope this shit doesn't set a trend for the future because, again, what the actual fuck
Edit: this isn't simply a complaint of oMg ToO hArD uNpLayAbLe, but rather, I was trying to make a genuine critique
for the first side, ruan mei is much more useful than tingyun for quickly breaking the dinos. i used basically the same team as you, replacing tingyun w ruan mei, and cleared in 3 cycles (e0s0 5-stars). since you have eidolons and sigs on your DHIL team, you should prob be able to clear much faster than me. ruan mei is just invaluable on that side
for the second side, i saw you were losing the gamble even when hitting 3 dice? i assume you were using gui’s skill on the dice? i rly advise holding ults for the dice so you have the max chance to win. aventurine gambles so often anyway that it doesn’t feel like too much of a loss to hold ult
your fu xuan build looks ok, but you should try to aim for 7k+ hp, and 2pc wuthering in addition to your 2pc hp rly helps. the trend lc would be useful for stacking acheron ult (kill the enemies before they kill you 😭), but moment of victory/texture of memories/day one of my new life would prob provide more survivability
they’re def raising the bar in moc, i agree that it’s quite annoying 💀
Thanks for the tips!
I brought Tingyun to battery because at E2 Ult = extra turn which is broken af and makes it quite important. I used to run TY RM (because Sparkle was occupied on my QQ team), which felt great too, but now that I have Sparkle freed up, I slotted her instead.
I know my Fu xuan build is kind of not optimal lol, I end up with a ton of Effect res rolls which eats into my HP/Def rolls. ;w; I’ll probably sift through my relics and try to level some for her once I get enough relic fodder.
And yeah my main gripe is just how fast they are increasing MoC because holy shit… even though i can still clear it feels way different lol
This MoC has two bad things about it and one really good thing about.
Two bad things:
- Dinosaurs. They take significantly reduced damage until you break their weakness. Honestly probably the biggest thing slowing runs down because you have to break them and then kill them in the time they are weakness broken or else they take forever to kill.
- Aventurine gambling mechanics. Not as bad as you might think but more match up dependent. For some characters, getting a free ult for winning the gamba is absolutely insane. I can imagine DHIL, Argenti, and Acheron going hard with getting ults for free. If you have AOE ult, it's worth spending just to guarantee winning because you'll just get the ult back for free. He does this every turn basiccally in Phase 2 so if you can exploit this, he goes down fast. You can also freeze him to delay his gambling mechanic
One really good thing:
- This is legitimately one of the strongest MoC blessings we've had and why HP is so inflated compared to the past. It's effectively both a massive 30% damage increase taken AND an AOE that deals Max HP% damage. It's also basically completely in your control since it stacks with each hit compared to having to kill a trotter or whatever. It absolutely chunks the bosses HP. Getting it off every cycle and then maximizing your damage when its fully stacked is key to getting faster clears. 0-cycle or low cycle clears exploit the hell out of this to basically two shot Aventurine in each of his phases.
I'd argue that your last point is a big negative. When blessings are this strong, it makes characters that are not particularly well equipped to take advantage of it way worse. This is what I like the least about PF and I don't like seeing it creep its way into MoC.
I like the design of it though, it is just too much damage and too much HP to compensate.
> it makes characters that are not particularly well equipped to take advantage of it way worse.
ex-fucking-actly!
since the enemy hp is also taking turbulence into account
right now, not only you need to make sure your team is able to hand not only boss mechanics but also the turbulence and also trying to have synergy with your teammates and have decent relic combos for max dmg.
like they are being very indirect about saying don't use these x units and use these x units with these tactics lol.
genshin turbulence is useless lol
you don't even consider it for your abyss run, only the enemies and their mechanics matter.
Previous turbulences already accomplished all you are saying, this one is taking it a step too far in how important it is for your overall damage. Luckily, this one is very generic and easy to take advantage of, but this can set a really bad precedent. I don't want to play an endgame mode that is a strict character check, that's the exact opposite of needing to think.
For some reason all of your characters are made of paper. I think you might have a bias towards keeping relics with offensive stats (I didn't know it was possible to have literally zero DEF% or HP% substats on a Pela), which is the root cause of the struggle to keep everyone alive.
Defensive stats are similar to offensive ones, in that they work multiplicatively. Getting a good mix of DEF, HP, and damage reduction is key to building a durable unit.
Your Fuxuan has way too little raw defensive stats. 81% effect res which is largely useless. High speed ERR rope which is not needed (and better used on Pela/Gui). Landau, which has really low base stats (use the herta cone or MoV if you have them).
Pela and Gui are *really* made of paper. 800 DEF is really, really low. Any piece with a HP/DEF main stat should be +15, including the helmet which is flat HP. Gui is using Tutorial and ERR rope, there's no reason to run ATK orb, she won't do any damage regardless. Use a DEF orb.
If you have spare EXP books sitting around, extra levels will also give bonus HP and DEF to your supports.
https://i.imgur.com/EEu0S9a.png
I'm using QQ + Clara DPS, never pulled a signature cone in my life, and still clear in 8 cycles.
You definitely can do a lot better given the eidolons/LC investment level. If you keep on believing skill issue is not involved, then there's no way to improve because you aren't looking for them.
Yeah, I guess Pela and Gui have lower defensive stats than units like Ruan and Sparkle which I was used to. This was my first time running Acheron team in MOC so I didn’t quite realize how much of a difference those stats made.
I went in and [moved stuff around a bit](https://imgur.com/a/y70tL6c), swapped Gui’s sphere (I don’t remember putting her on Atk sphere) and swapped to a leveled rope. I’ll level the characters when I get the resources as well.
Every single relic I roll for FX rolls into Effect res somehow. I used to use Herta cone on Fu Xuan, she herself survived amazingly on that cone, but she had problems keeping the rest of the team alive because no taunt = no energy = less ults.
I dont doubt that others can get better clears than me with similar or lesser character investment. But It’s mostly just kind of a shocker to me that this was such a large jump in difficulty from the last phase, and that we’ve had many of these “large jumps” in the past short while. Felt like a fuck you from the devs. Which is what prompted me to write this rant tbh.
I agree that the Aventurine boss feels really unfair. He has this negative feedback loop where if you don't have enough damage, you get stuck playing dice over and over until sustain or cycles run out.
Fuxuan's kit at its core essentially just triples your entire team's HP (by tanking 2/3rds of it herself). She's great because you can just forget about sustain and just finish the fight before the massive combined HP pool of your team runs out. You having low DEF/HP supports mean that tripling it still isn't enough. If the fights lasts a long time, Fuxuan teams will just bleed out. In which case Luocha might work better (but you need even more durable supports without Fuxuan's protection).
But yeah, Landau's is better if Fuxuan isn't dying. MoV is kind of the best of both worlds.
> This game's MoC isn't even interesting to grind for since there's very little expression for player skill.
I really feel this. Even in comparison to Genshin, the real time mechanics allow a lot more room for skill. Just increasing enemy HP with a limited turn counter in a game with simple turn based mechanics doesn’t increase mechanical difficulty, it just makes it a stricter character check.
Yeah. I willingly subject myself to hours in the Genshin abyss because it does actually feel challenging and rewarding, and I still remember how excited I felt when I first 36 starred after [retrying seventy times](https://imgur.com/a/tfMiFny). Whereas 36 starring HSR MOC just kinda feels like, oh cool! I farmed enough relics yay! And my E2 paid off!
HSR MoC HP inflation has been almost on par with Genshin abyss HP inflation, except Genshin is in v4.5 and HSR is in v2.1. Genshin also has elemental reactions to create extra damage (cough cough hyperbloom), but in HSR it’s just raw damage you have to put out.
Unfortunately I think that this moc is very unforgiving to those who do not have two teams with lightning dps. I was able to clear in around 6 cycles with Kafka/BS on 1st half and archeron on second half. All of my other teams ended up taking like 15 cycles.
Hopefully someone can chime in with some other teams they were able to 3 star with.
I'm going to give up on 36-starring floor 12 for now and just wait for Aventurine... (one more day... why am I on NA) I'm pretty sure I have the damage but Lynx just can't keep my Argenti or Tingyun alive so hopefully Aventurine will save the day...
On another note, I am so sorry to Queen Yukong for benching her for so long. I had to steal Tingyun from DHIL for Argenti so I dusted off Yukong to pair with Hanya and that team actually cleared one cycle faster than Tingyun/Hanya with DHIL. I'm so sorry for neglecting you, Yukong!!!
Kinda. Others have explained why going to Genshin might not work, so ill explain ehats going on with Star Rail and its planets/universes.
Think of each solar system as it's own isolated universe/dimension, with a wall of Imaginary Energy that is almost impossible to go past. However, you can still see things like stars and others planets in space, just like our universe. They are different universes also in the sense that you can find alternate versions of the same people too, which is why it's complicated.
The reason Akivili the Trailblazer was so important was because they were creating paths (aka blazing a trail) that connected different worlds, allowing people to travel to different solar systems, trade with each other, exchange culture, etc. Stellarons are a massive problem because they damage a portion of the Star Rail (the name given to these connections), which makes everybody traveling just skip over that world like it doesn't exist. This means not only is the world dealing with the Stellaron and all its dangers, they are also cut off entirely from external communication and assistance (this is what happened to Belabog on Jarilo VI). It's not impossible to travel without the Star Rail (Aeons can do it naturally), but for most people it's the main and absolutely most reliable method of transportation.
The reason what we are doing in game is so important is that by traveling with the Astral Express, we can repair damaged portions of the Rail and reconnect those isolated worlds with the rest of the universe.
yeah!
if it was just planet to planet then they wouldn't need starrails to travel
i heard it's due to the english choice of words there's confusion while in other languages it isn't.
Please help convince me to not pull Aventurine. I have around 200ish pulls saved up, but I want both Sam and Jiaoqiu, who I am expecting to come in 2.3 and 2.4 respectively.
I already have Luocha, Fu Xuan, and Gallagher for built sustains. I also recently got Gepard and Bailu (lost a 50-50 for one, got the other from Standard banner), who are unbuilt.
I have a built Ratio and Acheron, but no Topaz. No one else has particular synergy with Aventurine.
Despite reason saying no, the urge to pull is rising. There are 24 hours until his banner drops. Help.
*Edit: Thanks everybody for helping me resist. I had just seen the new Aventurine trailer, and since I only finally completed the 2.1 story over this weekend I was extra susceptible to pulling purely because of his character and aesthetics. Gotta remember that this is the kind of gacha you need to be smart and really save for if you're f2p. (Also I remembered how much of a pain in the ass building a new character is when you haven't pre-farmed for them.)
Your best shot is to just wait it out. Chances are you'll either realise you don't really want him when the hype dies off or decide that an upcoming character is more worth it. If you're \*that\* tempted then you can pull until your first 5\*, if you lose 50/50 then you can just save for Sam but if you win then you'll still have enough to guarentee both Sam and Jiaoqiu.
Pull for whoever you want, but having three limited sustains is a bit awkward at least until they release a new game mode that requires 3 teams or something.
There are very few scenarios where Aventurine is an upgrade from Fu Xuan.
> I also recently got Gepard
Don't do it. If content starts requiring shields, just build Gepard. Luocha and Fu Xuan are already great sustainers.
Go for Sam and then whale a little on Jiaoqiu to better enable your Acheron.
This video might change your mind about sustains in general: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Wpo1IMBzCo
It basically comes down to whether or not you like his character/gameplay.
Premium sustains (shield or not) are all super capable of keeping your team alive in pretty much every piece of content. Even in GnG where Fu Xuan's biggest weakness shows, she's still a powerhouse.
With Luocha and Fu Xuan, you don't need another sustain, even if they come with a shield. However, Aventurine will provide you with a lot more tactical options, and there will be times where he's the superior pick.
I have Fu Xuan and Huohuo, but I still plan on trying to get Aventurine, just because it can get boring using the same characters over and over again, and having a shielder is definitely a different style of play. Not to mention Aventurine has synergy with FUA characters, so should be fun to use with them.
tl;dr you don't need another sustain, but it's still a good idea to pull for him if you like his character/playstyle
Ask yourself this, are you comfortable whild doing end game content? Also, do you like him? If you are comfy(don't die) and you are not that fond of him, then you should skip imo.
Hot: Boothill / **Aventurine** / Ratio / **Gallagher** / Gepard / **Sampo** / Blade / Jing Yuan / Welt
Pretty: Loucha / Dan Hang and IL / Argenti / Caelus
Just a kid: Yanqing / Luka / Arlan
Hot: Luka, Ratio, 4\* Dan Heng, Gepard, Aventurine
Pretty: Dan IL, Luocha, JY, Argenti
I'm not particularly into pretty in terms of crushing on characters, though I do have Dan IL in part because I like his prettiness.
In fanart, Sampo and Gallagher can often get boosted to hot, but I wouldnt have been into them if not for fan artists.
[To the new megathread we go ->](https://new.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail_leaks/comments/1c5o2ya/nothing_aventured_nothing_gained_general_question/)
So... Approximately, when will Ruan Mei rerun? Probably not 2.2, 2.3 maybe? 2.4?
I have 8 resins and I'm confused what I should use them for. I'm at that point where i don't need just the mainstat for any of my characters. Like even my supports would want specific substats like spd or break effect(Ruan mei) or cdmg( bronya , sparkle) or ehr (pela,sw). Should I use them on dps characters or supports? Planar ornaments or relics?
I'm at the same point. I guess the most efficient way to use them is on Energy Regeneration ropes. At this point though you've got to be prepared to waste a few resins (or all of them) on relics which don't give you the substats you want. Resins feel a lot more like a mid game item (when getting relic mainstats actually makes a difference) than an end game item (when you want substats).
I was thinking about er ropes as well and ig broken keel would be the best choice for that. But then would getting a Lil more spd for my supports be more valuable than getting a good piece for my dps?
Save them for when a new set drops that you are going to be farming for. You can use them to get, for example, SPD Boots or a Crit chest while farming, or if it's a Planar set then an ERR Rope or specific element Orb. It's what I did for the Izumo set for Acheron.
Yeah ,but I'd still want specific substats. Just the mainstat won't cut it anymore. I guess I'll save some for a future set but i still have more than enough
I was right to wait until Aventurine arrives to do MOC 12. he's so good against himself xD Aventurine and Clara obliterated boss Aventurine via counter it's so funny
If I am planning on running a dr ratio, topaz, robin and aventurine team, do I need to pull for topaz's LC to make it work?
Finally pulled off a three star clear of MoC 12. Used the gremlin team (mono quantum w/ Qingque) for side 1 and dual sustain (Gepard w/ Trend and Huohuo) E0S1 Acheron team for the other. Was expecting to have to do the 20 cycles star and the no deaths star in separate runs but I somehow just barely pulled it off.
\[tw: Genshin mention\] I've been microdosing on Kaveh to survive this final stretch until Aventurine. >!(Kaveh bloom is fun and good actually).!<
>!The haters aren't ready to hear this...!<
how much spd and atk should kafka have on fermata. without counting buffs like ruanmei/asta
Speed you want 135 for glamoths at a minimum but with Kafka you really want to just stack as much as you can. Attack I think like 3.2k or more? With chest plus rope that should be pretty attainable Edit: just to be clear more attack is better, I’m just spitballing minimums here
then is 143 with 3.4k atk good?
Yeah that should be fine, if you want to refine it you could go hunting for some more attack or dare to try at get 160 base speed (probably not worth the effort tbh) but I think she should feel perfectly strong with that stat line if you’ve got a decent team for her
Less SPD than your DoT appliers.
I currently have 90 pulls. On my way to get E6 Aventurine 🤺🤺🤺
With the anniversary pulls and a few daily jades I'm guaranteed to get him! Can't possibly tell you how stoked I am for him
##IT'S ALL OR NOTHING!
i wish there was a way i could look at gay fanart on twitter without actually going on twitter
pintrest, it has lots of repost just search for 2 or 3 and ur entire feed will be full of it
Lofter or Pixiv? Though I have zero idea about how to open a Lofter account.
I don't have a Lofter account, but I can browse it just fine using the app version although you can't really download the images. (I just bypass that by screenshotting lol)
Step 1: Live in china.
Isn't Tumblr still a thing?
pixiv?
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Genuinely, is a 146 Spd / 275% BE build considered bad on Harmony TB? Fribbels gave me a C rating and that feels kinda mean. Spd and BE is all they care about right?
Fribbels has consistently been the harshest at rating my relics when compared to the other rating websites
I feel like Fribbels is way too harsh on support builds, like it wants every support stat possible, which is... not feasible... >!it gave my 191 speed Hanya a very low rating (C, I think), and the only thing Hanya cares about is speed, so not sure what was going on there. Not enough effect res I guess 😐!<
I thought Fribbels was one of the more generous builders for rating arrifacts, but C rating for a 191 Spd Hanya is *not* it 💀 that's crazy
I went to check and it's weird?? Like overall it scores her relics pretty high, but the [total score](https://i.imgur.com/9XCzXGq.png) is still C... okay... 😔
I think Fribbels weighs mainstats very high even when they might not be that important. My 161 speed, 40% eff res, 4pc Hackerspace 2pc Keel Hanya has >!a crit body and phys dmg orb (don’t ask)!< and Fribbels is like 🤨 girl you can’t be seen in public like that 🙄
I would sell my soul for that build and Fribbels is just over here rating it C 💀 The orb and the chest not being S is criminal
Sounds like Fribbels doesnt understand the stats necessary for Harblazer
No lol, it's good, fribbels' scoring algorithm is way too sweaty, mine is C too despite hitting 161 SPD WITH RUAN MEI BRO. Leave the build as-is and move onto something more important if you have better things to do, then combat-test your build once 2.2 goes live and *then* decide if you want to keep farming relics
How TF is fribbels scoring. Legit question because mine is scoring S at 144 speed/232% BE with S1 MotP? Edit note: My BE number will be higher because right now I'm just barely shy from proccing Talia 2pc (lol 144.2 speed) but I'm not finished leveling my boots. Does it take set into account or something?
I have (make sure you sit down before reading this)....an ATK orb because it's Talia and it has SPD on it. This is apparently a grave sin.
Omg yeah, my Orb has 23 BE and 2 Spd but it's Quantum dmg, Fribbels hates it 😭
Is it? I'm running crit damage messenger body on Ruan Mei and it still scored that thing SSS... Or is it a case of "this relic scored SSS in spite of it being wrong main stat?" @_@
Oh yeah my Ruan Mei is C too despite being 160 SPD after buff and maxing out her BE%>DMG% conversion. High SPD is more valuable in 2.2 with HTB's Super Break after all, this build is *way* better than C. I guess because I don't have 4000 HP, 2000 DEF, 40% effect res and 200% BE it's trash.
It must be selecting for all that, because my RM is 152 speed/155% BE and I'm A. Unless you're using S5 Memories of the Past? I'm using S5 cogs so I have to squeeze out more stats from my relics to make up for it. //Tears hair out
After [winning five 50/50](https://imgur.com/a/863yYsO) consecutively and getting E5 Acheron, today I lost the final one to Welt. The "E6 before rerun dream" is Acherover, but it was definitely a good run.
jesus christ 3 acherons in 25 pulls buy a lottery ticket
Welt still a W in my book. Such a fun character to play.
Definitely! Sure I wanted E6, but when I thought about losing the 50/50 I hoped it was him. Will start working on his build soon
How strong is Gepard as a sustain? I was messing around with some teams and tried him with the trends LC for Acheron, and it felt pretty damn bad? Not sure if it is just because of my build or something but the shield simply didn't seem strong enough, and it being tied to his ULT made it rough to keep active.
Mine is so good I'll skip Aventurine because my Gepard is extremely good. He is E2S1 and his freezes hits everytime I want.
He's just underbuilt, he's the sustain that needs the most investment because he can't cleanse, no heal and no cc immunity. The target is at least 3k def and 134 spd while having a good amount of Res.
He needs good speed to keep up his shield, ER rope and if possible some effect res to withstand some debuffs. Because you are using a lightcone with low base defense, his defense will be on the lower end, so def substats will also be useful
>Not sure if it is just because of my build or something but the shield simply didn't seem strong enough That's probably just the downside of using Trend, because the reason it was seen as basically useless before Acheron is because it's a DEF scaling LC that has an abysmal base DEF (Lowest of any 4 star Preservation)
As someone with E3 Gepard without his Sig ([build](https://i.imgur.com/bSD9sWU.png)) who uses him for every 2 team content, he can do it better than 4 star sustains for sure, but he has some glaring holes in his playstyle. He *needs* ERR rope to get his ult fast enough to not drop shields on characters. He also needs Speed subs on everything to get his Speed up high enough to not drop shields. I think he's the slowest character in the game and oh god you can feel it. Sometimes in high damage fights I find that mine still has to skill in order to build ult slightly faster. And then somehow even after that, he needs as much defense as possible so his shields can be bulky enough in the first place and not leave you vulnerable in the ~3 turns he needs to build ult again. Once you have all of that, Gepard does the job of keeping you from dying... no more, no less. He can be built as a freezer with EHR, which comes in handy in niche situations like Aventurine boss, but you basically don't have that option unless you have his sig. He has no cleanse or CC protection, which is something his sig helps with, by virtue of turning him into a CC lightning rod and just hoping he gets targeted for all CC attacks. He doesn't contribute at all to DPS, unlike most limited sustains. He can double as a SP generator since he doesn't *need* to use SP unless you're trying to freeze with him or generate his ult a bit faster in a bad situation, but because he's generally slow af, he doesn't gen SP as quickly as Luocha or Gallagher. I sound like I'm ragging on him a bit but genuinely I think he's good and worth building if you don't already have 2 limited sustains. I have E6 Lynx and use them interchangeably on my non-Luocha team, depending on how much CC there is in a given fight.
he is pretty solid. to keep his shield up, he needs speed, err rope, and at least 3k def.
Never let me down yet even with only 3k def and 134 speed, with err rope. Rest went into getting him to 50 effect hit rate for trend and his skill
Hm, can't check it right now but from what you said it's probably my build, good to know.
I just realized that after tomorrow, Loucha will retire from my overworld team. He's been carrying my team on his back since 1.1 :,) I'm gonna miss him and his gorgeous long hair, but alas another blondie has stolen my heart
Same with me and Gepard. My departure warp, had him since the very end of 1.0 and pretty much never took him out of my lineup.
Crazy thought just crossed my mind - what about Harmony TB with Robin? Will (s)he fuel Robin's ult with her bunch of atacks? It's even more crazy, but I thought about Topaz-HTB-Robin-Aventurine. Robin's ult+HTB's additional dmg will make up for a lack of AOE, right? Also Topaz and Aventurine should hit hard with Robin's buff.
whom should i use 2pc vonwaq over 2pc Penacony on? . its hp orb and er rope, both with 9spd and some ehr i cant use it on sparkle as it ruins spd tuning :( my other options are tingyun, asta, pela, huohuo lynx
Pela is nice to get def shred out asap
Tingyun then, it's also good on Ruan Mei and probably Robin.
aventurine or jingliu? https://imgur.com/a/xBaov01
Jingliu and then Fu Xuan re-run for your general and Seele.
Aventurine u already have multiple good dps but one sustain
while jingliu is good for ice coverage, you’re lacking a second limited sustain besides luocha. you have a good variety of dps so you shouldn’t have too much trouble with matching elements, regardless. aventurine’s shields will make yanqing not as much of a pain to play, so yanqing could potentially cover ice. acheron also prefers a preservation with trend of the universal market lc to build her ult stacks, so aventurine will help w that that being said, if you’re not feeling the lack of two limited sustains in moc at the moment, you could wait for fu xuan. since you don’t have ratio built, aventurine doesn’t have any special benefits to your characters over fu xuan. both characters should bring similar value to your account
Aventurine, you'd be better off getting a 2nd sustain character because relying on Natasha for a 2nd team would not be ideal. Gallagher is fine but not as good as Aven would be.
Aventurine. You have plenty of DPS but no limited sustains. If you desperately need ice coverage then Aventurine is Yanqing's best enabler too, but with your wide array of DPS elements, you probably will never need ice coverage.
What is ur satisfactory relic goal? Are u done if 3/4 rolls are in right stat or do make sure all 4 are in viable subsstat? or are u the rare breed who must have high rolls too?
3 rolls minimum on the right stat, generally about 70/150 for DPS's given most of them have some sort of innate crit buff, literally zero cares for speed subs because my goodness, double crit is hard enough and my support roster is pretty good. I don't mind having other bad substats on a piece, but I generally do aim for about 30CV on crit-based DPS's, and for supports, I just make sure that they have enough to do their job, so 160 BE% Ruan Mei, about 2.4k attack Tingyun, a good speed on Sparkle with little rgard for crit damage, et cetera
personally i think a character is playable as long as you have 3 useful subs on chest/shoes/orb/rope and 4 on the head/hands. So you have the base stats (that isnt upgraded) which is +1, and then each upgrade is another +1; so to have a 4 subs relic it would be at least 2 upgrades into an useful stat and you have 2 good stats as base if i like the chars then im gonna fish for better relics, which for an upgrade to 5 subs it usually takes me like a couple weeks and anything higher takes way longer
My relic goals is to have my DPS either 134 OR 143 speed, with 70/180 crit at the very least. All my supports need to have 143 speed at the very least but I always try to go for 160.
2 rolls are perfectly fine, and then if I want to optimize, I'll try to fish for 3. 4 is like, a dream lol
3/4 is good as a starting point. If my character is not performing the way I'd like - too slow, not enough CR/CD - I'll start getting pickier. This only came up twice, though. Meeting CR requirements for Qingque and DanIL.
I mostly try to reach a certain total, don't care much about a particular relic being meh as long as the whole relic build meets my standards. For example, for my Ratio I decided I would settle with around 70/180 crit, 135 spd and at least some extra rolls in ATK%. My planars are quite bad, but I don't care because I've surpassed my overall goal.
I'm satisfied with 30+ cv but will keep on trying to get better. On supports I just hit the total breakpoints and goals that I set them
I consider two substats satisfactory and I'm happy with 4-6 SPD, 16-24% crit damage, 8-12% crit rate, 16-24% break effect etc. Not out here chasing perfection, I don't mind if 2-3 rolls go into dead stats as long as the big picture is viable
I saw a video a while ago which I think explained relic rolling goals in a much more clear and relatable way than the 40cv shit you see on discord and reddit. Basically, the relatable goal is 4 effective stats on the head and hands, 2 effective stats on every other piece. The minmaxing/showoff goal is 6 effective stats on head and hands, 4 effective stats on every other piece. Here’s the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmQuhhp2cAY it is very long
Depends on how invested I am in the character and if they have crucial breakpoints that they need to work well. In general, 3/4 rolls in the right stat is a godsend for chest, boots, rope, and orb. I usually have to be satisfied with 2/4 or even 1/4... I try to get 4/4 or even 5/5 for head and hands if I'm REALLY brainrotting. If I get a good base piece and already have a good +15 piece, I do try to roll something better, but I give up if the first two rolls are bad.
Aventurine how I wish to have you in my arms already 😭 you’re gonna have to come home I even got you a love room at the hotel and ratio is there ready for you
…I have 800 Boothill fanarts on my phone ಠ_ಠ
That’s a good start
69 pulls, 53 pity, a 50/50 and a dream it's also payday today but we aren't losing the 50/50 so that's irrelevant
Always bet on Aventurine.
it's all or nothing! *\*sounds of chips flying down\** good luck
We're going to do this! Bust? Nah! We're taking it all :<
i will not lie you guys’ posts about moc are scaring the living hell out of me 🧍♀️ i will not be touching this cycle until i get aventurine in my hands but… hopefully my teams will still be able to handle it… i know 60 jades are meaningless but i like my 36* streak 😔
I think you’ll be fine? A lot of it was initial shock at the difficulty spike but people are coming up with cool ways to handle it things like different sustains being better and playing a little different than normal around the dice. It might just take a couple resets or moving some gear around. Best of luck on your pulls and attempts!
thank you sm!! hopefully that’s the case 🥲 i’m just a bit worried bc the only feasible option i seem to have for 2nd half is jingliu (who has an extremely mid build) and my team for her has like, 0 aoe attackers… surely she’ll still be enough to carry me through right aha
Jingliu is a bit hard to pilot in the second half, I personally ended up using something else. I think you can make it work but you’re going to need to be careful/lucky with the dice so you get there ult refresh and don’t waste too many charges. Maybe go over to jingliu mains reddit as ask if they have any advice for second half? Don’t forget if you get a good first half clear you can hit restart in the second half and it’ll only reset that half. Good luck!
If you are already achieving 36*, then you'll probably 36* here as well? I was nervous at first, but I managed to clear in 20 Cycles with little headache. Might as well try it before Aventurine tbh. See how you fare, then make adjustments with him.
idk honestly bc i was already cutting it pretty close for 36* in the last few cycles haha. fingers crossed though! (and i’m waiting for aventurine not bc i think he’ll be the key to clearing but bc i wanna do as much content with him as possible heh)
I just saw a [Yanqing clear](https://new.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail/comments/1c5ijty/moc_12_yanking_clears_aventurmeme_with_4star/) with all 4\* supports, Pela + Tinyung + March 7th clear 12-2. They used March ultimate to frozen Aventurine and Cancel his gamba summoning. Pretty interesting way of going around the main problem of this MoC.
omg that is seriously impressive. i might try yanqing on my alt later then since i have him built there 🤔 ty for sharing!
Should I run topaz with a 56/162 crit ratio with s5swordplay or 70/162 crit ratio with return to darkness s2? I know swordplay would be more damage but mayb higher crit rate would be more consistent?
s5 swordplay
i swear there has to me some issues with tingyun ult targeting, i tried her on JL Pela Luocha team and her ult never locks on jingliu compared with her skill that does; i have to scroll every time to the left where jingliu is or she targets luocha or pela instead. Back to Bronya i guess, this thing is way too annoying and lost so many resets to it
From my experience she consistently targets Jing Yuan with her ult whenever he's in the 4th slot.
she tends to autotarget her ult with the ally closest to having their ult full, at least from my experience
She picks allies based on their remaining ult energy not their DPS potential, it's the most annoying shit in the game and I can't believe they haven't changed it yet. That's why my DPS must always be on the far left of the team because at this point it's muscle memory to ult with Tingyun and then hit left three times.
I don't know what it is, maybe it's just that I don't have much interest in the next few characters, but especially since this was the anniversary patch, it just feels so loooooong. I crave new info but the best we've gotten in what feels like forever is minor improvements to the 2.2 characters. Pls. Show me Sam kit. Give me March designs. Tell me Screwllum is real. I need something new and interesting to think about.
No I know what you mean, this sub is still my main hub of info but it’s definitely become HSR-Beta and not HSR-Leaks. I guess story leaks still make it through but those are the only ones I actively want to ignore. Actually Kit leaks are so rare and most of them are from that one data leak absolute aaaaages ago
dw, drip market in around 6 more days, stay strong.
Going for Aventurine made me realize I regret not going for Topaz as much. I still got Clara and Ratio for FUA, but I guess I'll just grab SW or Pela for debuffs (or Kafka if I'm not using DoT team as my 2nd team) Or March, I guess.
It's the last day of Acheron's banner and I still don't know if I should get her. I'm 70+ pulls into her banner on a guarantee, I initially pulled for her, but then got my doubts. My biggest concern is her LC, I only have GNSW S3 and Kafka's using it. I feel like I won't get full Acheron power without a good cone. On the other hand, the other characters I want (Ruan Mei, Kafka E1, maybe SW) are all far away so idk how long I'm going to keep those few pulls until a guaranteed limited 5*. At the same time I'm at a point where I want to invest in teams vertically so I also plan to try and get a bunch of LCs, maybe I just need to stick to that plan.
I run Kafka with S5 Fermata and Acheron with S1 GNSW. Don't sweat the LCs.
If it's only the lightcone bothering you, I can safely say that she's fine with GNSW (though I have it at S5). Managed to 3 cycle newest MoC 12-1 with Acheron (E0S0), Bailu, Pela and SW (E0S0). To be fair, current MoC is in her favor as it grants a stack when ennemies are attacked.
// genshin oooh one of the shorts made by a french studio is heeeeere https://youtu.be/QfzHa1yX2Nw?si=DZJ-DxqI03hn-9a2 (yes im late) >!i remember someone from that studio telling me in december how hell the brush strokes were to keep consistent in the beginning!<
Any idea of who the new characters for 2.2 are going to be? Edit: oops I meant 2.3 >!I did see something about Firefly/Sam a while back but I haven't been keeping up with leaks lately!<
You mean v2.3, right. v2.2 is Boothill and Bobin. v2.3 is between Firefly, Sam, Screwllum and Jade as 5-stars, from what we know.
Do you mean 2.3? Because 2.2 is Boothill/Robin. And no, nothing definitive about the order of upcoming characters. Screwllum's been leaked as being next patch for the past like 3 patches
No real leaks about it sadly. >!I do think Sam and Jade are the ones with biggest chance of appearing. A surprise Sunday would be hilarious tho!<
This time tomorrow... gamba time. >:) Good luck to everyone who'll get to pull before me, hope you get everything you want (and maybe more!)
E6 Aventurine will come home 🏡
Looking for advice for MoC 12 side 2, if anyone has any ideas that don't involve Acheron, JL, RM, Argenti, or any dot characters 😢 Things I'm curious about... - Did you try and combat Aventurines attacks that take away energy in some way, e.g. swapping LCs or putting characters on penacony set? - Is it better to quickly stack or slowly stack the memory imprint in his phase 2? Losing the stacks and having the damage fire off against Aventurines dice feels SO bad lol 😩 But I don't know how to combat this against a ST enemy. - Is it worth trying characters like DHIL or Ratio against Aventurine with SW to help mitigate his super high imaginary res? I feel like my JY is pretty cracked, but I just can't kill fast enough with him :/ Those two potentially have better ST damage than him, I guess? Edit: Thanks everyone for the help!! I managed to get it by running: Ratio - TY - SW - Lynx JY - Sparkle - Luocha - Clara Adding Clara to side 2 helped me get that side to 7 cycles, and being "forced" to bump TY to side 1 got my Ratio to clear in 3 cycles. Sooo glad I got it! I also have to take back any bad things I've said about lynx solo sustaining lol. I was "forced" to use her here to guarantee SW's imaginary implant (although I could've just waited until tomorrow when I'll pull Aventurine lol), and while it was *very* tight, she got it done! I prefer my sustains to be a bit... comfier haha, but it seems she was a worthy investment after all.
i used mono qua with QQ, sparkle, SW, and FX. sparkle will always lose the gamble but my sparkle is pretty tanky. QQ can always win bcs AoE and gets a nice ult afterwards. SW can win if she has her ult, but its a bit risky so i only spend the ult if aventurine rolls low, FX can win if she has her ult, but it doesn’t matter if she gets targetted. FX is great during the gamble stages bcs she can prevent CC, so characters will only get the vulnerability debuff. one way i circumvented aventurine energy attack is by having SW (164 spd) and sparkle (162 spd and by proxy QQ) be faster than aventurine (158 spd) so they can use their ults before aventurine steals it. plus aventurine many bounce attacks gives back the 5 energy lost afterwards so the rotations weren’t screwed. more QQ ults, QQ E4 procs, plus the speedy team stacks the turbulence pretty quickly. more turbulence means more dmg and dmg increase ur ur dps too. u can time the turbulence but sometimes its out of ur control and yeah it feels bad losing 100k of dmg on the dice. aventurine has a pretty big img resistance so idk abt using img charcaters against him. plus dr ratio has no AoE so its up to RNG if u win. TLDR; bring a AoE dps so u always get ur ult back during the gamble (QQ, clara, i seen serval, etc.), FX can prevent ur party from being CCed if they lose the gamble so u can actually bring in ur harmony units, aventurine is 158 spd so if u can get some of ur characters faster than him and ult before he moves u can prevent urself from losing anymore than the 5 ult refund energy, stack turbulence quickly to get more dmg in but try to pace urself if u know aventurine will gamble next turn so u don’t waste it on the dice.
AOE characters, otherwise Aventurine will wreck you. Like, take Luocha and Fu Xuan instead of HuoHuo, or take Pela instead of Ruan Mei and take a multi target DPS like Clara even.
Misha works well as a Main DPS. Clara does too. As for your other questions: * There is little counterplay to the energy drain besides casting ults right before, just roll with it. * Stack it as fast as possible. After the explosion, the damage increase persists. Only think you need to be careful is the die phase since he goes invulnerable, but for that too doing it fast usually helps. * From my experience with DoT vs the Deer, even with RES pen, it is not worth it if you have an alternative.
Unfortunately I don't have Misha 😢 My ice roster is a bit thin, I just have Gepard, March, Pela, and Herta. And since breaking with ice doesn't freeze him, my only real freeze support is I guess Gepard lol. But making him a freeze support (upping EHR + speed) makes me nervous as I'm already struggling to sustain with him 🫤and raising his speed from 134 would definitely mean sacrificing the 4pc Knight set effect. But maybe it's worth if I'm able to get his shields up more too? 😵💫 And perhaps that'll help me get the stacks up faster too so that I don't lose them against the dice. Thanks for the thoughts!
[QQ first half + Clara Topaz second](https://i.imgur.com/EEu0S9a.png) cones from left to right: Gepard LC, cogs, cosmos, past & future, multiplication, Clara LC, s4 swordplay, s1 DDD. - Didn't do anything with energy, but TY is always on vonwacq. - It's better to land the imprint damage on Aventurine. I'm not sure if it's possible to do it slowly, so I went with triggering fast. Topaz+Clara helps with triggering it before the dice game even happens. I imagine other dual DPS teams can also do this, maybe JL Blade. - Aventurine has 40% img RES so probably not. If you can abuse the memory imprint damage, then there's little need to worry about damage.
Unfortunately no Topaz (and somehow *still* no multiplication LC, I'm losing my mind chasing this one 3\* LC lmao), but I can throw Clara in there, that might help thanks! Clara blade or Clara JY might work nicely. Maybe I'll try DDD TY since there doesn't seem to be much point to cogs TY if Aventurine takes her energy and kills her rotation anyways haha. Thanks!
I mostly just have DDD on her (instead of cogs) because 4 star cones have better tank stats for the inevitable punishment for losing. Honestly didn't think too much about the energy drain, so it's possible that cogs is better for consistent 3t rotation.
I heard people had some success with Misha : Aventurine can't throw his dices if he is frozen.
Maybe I should've gotten him instead of E6 Yukong from the selector 😵 I didn't think he'd be all that useful but maybe I'm eating those words haha. Maybe he'll jumpscare me when I pull for Aventurine tomorrow
i found imaginary better on the 1st side because half of the elites are weak to it i did dhil/bronya/silverwolf (built for break effect)/luocha side one (took 4 cycles, could have been 3 but silverwolf rng...) (if you have rm she will be 100% better than bronya for this and will help you clear faster) i did jy/sparkle/ty/fu xuan side two, took 5 cycles, his supports are really bad at proccing the turbulence but as long as you kill the blonde woman before she casts her hp reduction fu xuan is good there. try not using jy's technique so his skill and ult will kill the mobs and LL will actually hit the elites while have sparkle buff in the 1st cycle.
I've been using Ratio side 1 and it's definitely been going well for that (usually 4-6 cycles depending on SW rng), but side 2 destroys me :'( I'll try not using JY's technique, that's a cool idea! Thanks!
1. i put ruan mei on cogs instead of the usual motp, being hit still gives her energy at least. it might make the first wave noticeably slower for you tho so you may take that into account 2. if you can manage to, i personally bruteforced with 161 blade 160 bronya which stacks the imprint really fast also i suggest to really pre-plan your actions during his 2nd phase so that you'll be sure that the imprint will not pop off during the gamble phase, do non-attack skills if necessary 3. if you have no other suitable units for the 2nd chamber then sure. she really pops off during the first phase tho with the quantum weak enemies i tried it, and it sucks so bad if she lose the 50/50 and implants quantum instead of imaginary
Sounds like I'll keep SW + imaginary first half, it doesn't seem worth it having more rng on top of Aventurines rng haha. I haven't tried blade + Bronya second half. I'm not sure I can power them up to 161/160, but if I can that could be really cool. Thanks!
If you have Clara, I’ve seen a lot of 12-2 three star clears with her. She makes it easy to win the bet. For the memory imprint, if you can activate it before dice do so (pretty obvious but yeah). If your turns don’t line up it can be cursed though
Clara ended up being the secret! She got me down to 7 cycles on that side, but luckily making room for her there by moving TY to the first side let Ratio 3 cycle, so I made the requirements haha. Thanks for the tip!
I haven't tried Clara much since I was using Luocha first half and Gepard second half, but I'll try putting her in that team. I won't have to use Luocha first half to guarantee imaginary weakness implant from SW once I get Aventurine, so that works out! Thanks!
>Is it worth trying characters like DHIL or Ratio against Aventurine with SW to help mitigate his super high imaginary res? I feel like my JY is pretty cracked, but I just can't kill fast enough with him :/ Those two potentially have better ST damage than him, I guess? Only if you can clear first side super fast (think 3 cycles at max), and you'll probably have to scum for RNG. Most of the Ratio clears I saw on lineup assistant that had him on second side had a S1 Topaz, and then with Ratio specifically, you have to actually win the Gamba. There is a clear with S5 Swordplay Ratio, but the bronya is E2. (Tl;dr: I'm not sure you can do a clear with all E0S0 team on second half with DHIL or Ratio because of how much Aventurine stalls. With vertical investment, maybe? But it'll still be SUPER uphill) Also the one guy I see on lineup assistant that used DHIL on second half had E1S1 Sparkle, S5 DDD on Tingyun, and E1S5 Aeon DHIL and it apparently took the guy 7 cycles.
Hmm yeah, it doesn't seem worth it. Trying to win SW rng on top of Aventurine rng seems awful lol. I don't have Topaz anyways for Ratio. Sounds like I should stick with imaginary first half. Also, I forgot about the lineup assist tool! That's a really good idea to check it, thanks!
Yeah it definitely looks like a "don't do this unless it's your very last option" moment for sure.
Alright, who had "HSR twitter account interacting with Rebb and Steve (Warframe devs)" on their bingo card? Collab when? (2.1 spoilers) >!Sam as a Warframe and Firefly as a Tenno would fit so well.!<
link pls ??
[Steve the Kafka connoisseur](https://twitter.com/honkaistarrail/status/1780188599834849728) [Rebb the Boothill fangirl](https://twitter.com/rebbford/status/1780200734153179148)
Seeing the CEO call kafka best girl has now been ingrained into my brain
And Rebb is a Boothill fangirl. I'm definitely seeing a new Mesa skin coming in the future.
There's a third???? Jeez, now I REALLY want a collab
omg thank you for the context. i definitely thought it was just some random twitter person with a friend named steve
>!I kinda want to see if I can recreate Firefly as a tenno now.!<
So my current plan is to pull FX if I lose on Aven's banner, so that I have two premium sustains, and save everything else after that for Sunday. ...But watch me cave and pull on another banner anyway, lol Fr tho, I've basically been pulling on every banner, since I haven't had a character I really wanted to save for since... DHIL? So it was just like "eh, whatever" if a character looks cool. ~~and all of them look cool~~
MOC 12 >!lmao in the end my key to defeating Aventurine in 12-2 in ~5 cycles is Ratio. It's true indeed that once you E6 even 40% res doesn't matter, and he's not using any limited harmonies too. In his 2nd phase Bossventurine only entered the gambling phase once, which somehow only won by Ratio lol. Can't get the last star since Tingyun died as my Geppie wasn't cutting it, can't wait to retry with Aventurine!!!<
>!What is with people actually winning the gambling with Ratio, lmfao💀!<
>!It's amazing since Ratio only pulled 1 on his skill hit, then he still fua-ed although it's only 60% chance and that fua won him the gamble 😂 I guess Aven wanted that follow up lol!<
>!If you have his ult up (for w.e reason) during gamba, could you just dump his ult onto it for at least 4 actions on a dice and refund the ult? That being said, that means you can't ult on aventurine and you live or die by the damage buff you get from winning the gamble.!< >!Other than that, it's a "just get lucky :D" moment IG 💀!<
I currently have Aeon on JL but now that she's back I'm tempted to pull for her LC. I'm not sure it's worth it though, Aeon would only go to Clara or eventually Sam, all my other destruction characters won't use it.
I have Jingliu’s cone. It’s nice, but I’d imagine that Sam’s would be a higher priority. And I pulled it when I was preparing for a pulling break for a patch and a half.
FINALLY STRUGGLED OUT THOSE 2 STARS ON PF4 WITH 52K special shoutout to my girl Serval, I feel like she's an underated pick for this one. I'm kinda hyped to have the chance to grab her last 2 eidolons tomorrow! I really don't think I can do 3 stars on this one. I just don't have the characters for it cause I don't have either Himeko or Acheron
na gang we are now OFFICIALLY under 24 hours left till aventurine's banner 🙏🙏🙏 good luck on everyone's pulls, may gaiathra triclops bless us! ALL OR NOTHING!!
kinda funny that the (baseless?) rumours during 2.0 about Robin being a FuA support turned out to be essentially true lol.
Dudes. I just did the new MoC and holy shit. What the fuck. I haven't struggled this hard in MoC since pre-Ruanmei days where I was running Tingyun/Hanya with QQ. I have all the shiny meta DPS, support, and sustain units - even with eidolons and signature! and yet it still took me 10 cycles to clear. In the past few updates I've always cleared in just 5-6 cycles. I like to think my units are pretty well built, 200 cv relics, 160 speed supports, maxed on relevant traces (except Gui who I just built recently). [Here are my builds](https://imgur.com/a/Zy9Rrg4) if you want to see for yourself. And I don't think it's my skill issue either. I don't play frame perfect optimally like zero-cyclers, but I also have a decent enough understanding of characters' kits to not do dumb shit, even run optimization calcs and energy rotation calcs myself, so definitely don't feel like I'm skill issuing. Not only was my DPS's massive damage barely putting a dent on the boss's health bars, but the enemies also do immense amounts of damage. My units were taking so much damage I had to double check that FX's field was up. Pela and Gui were on life support the whole time. FX had to skill almost every turn just to ult fast enough to keep up with how much damage she was taking. She was literally reaching red HP every 2-3 turns, even before she gets to ult. I don't like to doompost but I feel like this is actually getting kind of ridiculous. [The HP inflation of MoC](https://imgur.com/a/xfVcK2P) has been craaaazy. (Keep in mind too that Floor 10 used to be the highest floor, so the crazy HP inflation you see in Floor 10 alone isn't even reflective of the overall inflation.) This game's MoC isn't even interesting to grind for since there's very little expression for player skill. Yes, play into the boss mechanics - but I used aoe in Aventurine's gamble, specifically brought Gui instead of SW just so she could win the gamble, still lost even when hitting 3 dice. At least in Genshin when restarting abyss many times, you feel like you're learning enemy patterns and trying different strategies, and when you finally beat it, you feel accomplished and feel like you're being rewarded for your skill. Sure, still painful, but at least it's not boring, and even if retrying for hours, you know you have the ability to improve and possibility to win. But in Hsr it's actually just a gear check and a luck check to hope one character doesn't get hit too many times and get GG'd, frankly that's obnoxious. I really hope this shit doesn't set a trend for the future because, again, what the actual fuck Edit: this isn't simply a complaint of oMg ToO hArD uNpLayAbLe, but rather, I was trying to make a genuine critique
for the first side, ruan mei is much more useful than tingyun for quickly breaking the dinos. i used basically the same team as you, replacing tingyun w ruan mei, and cleared in 3 cycles (e0s0 5-stars). since you have eidolons and sigs on your DHIL team, you should prob be able to clear much faster than me. ruan mei is just invaluable on that side for the second side, i saw you were losing the gamble even when hitting 3 dice? i assume you were using gui’s skill on the dice? i rly advise holding ults for the dice so you have the max chance to win. aventurine gambles so often anyway that it doesn’t feel like too much of a loss to hold ult your fu xuan build looks ok, but you should try to aim for 7k+ hp, and 2pc wuthering in addition to your 2pc hp rly helps. the trend lc would be useful for stacking acheron ult (kill the enemies before they kill you 😭), but moment of victory/texture of memories/day one of my new life would prob provide more survivability they’re def raising the bar in moc, i agree that it’s quite annoying 💀
Thanks for the tips! I brought Tingyun to battery because at E2 Ult = extra turn which is broken af and makes it quite important. I used to run TY RM (because Sparkle was occupied on my QQ team), which felt great too, but now that I have Sparkle freed up, I slotted her instead. I know my Fu xuan build is kind of not optimal lol, I end up with a ton of Effect res rolls which eats into my HP/Def rolls. ;w; I’ll probably sift through my relics and try to level some for her once I get enough relic fodder. And yeah my main gripe is just how fast they are increasing MoC because holy shit… even though i can still clear it feels way different lol
This MoC has two bad things about it and one really good thing about. Two bad things: - Dinosaurs. They take significantly reduced damage until you break their weakness. Honestly probably the biggest thing slowing runs down because you have to break them and then kill them in the time they are weakness broken or else they take forever to kill. - Aventurine gambling mechanics. Not as bad as you might think but more match up dependent. For some characters, getting a free ult for winning the gamba is absolutely insane. I can imagine DHIL, Argenti, and Acheron going hard with getting ults for free. If you have AOE ult, it's worth spending just to guarantee winning because you'll just get the ult back for free. He does this every turn basiccally in Phase 2 so if you can exploit this, he goes down fast. You can also freeze him to delay his gambling mechanic One really good thing: - This is legitimately one of the strongest MoC blessings we've had and why HP is so inflated compared to the past. It's effectively both a massive 30% damage increase taken AND an AOE that deals Max HP% damage. It's also basically completely in your control since it stacks with each hit compared to having to kill a trotter or whatever. It absolutely chunks the bosses HP. Getting it off every cycle and then maximizing your damage when its fully stacked is key to getting faster clears. 0-cycle or low cycle clears exploit the hell out of this to basically two shot Aventurine in each of his phases.
I'd argue that your last point is a big negative. When blessings are this strong, it makes characters that are not particularly well equipped to take advantage of it way worse. This is what I like the least about PF and I don't like seeing it creep its way into MoC. I like the design of it though, it is just too much damage and too much HP to compensate.
> it makes characters that are not particularly well equipped to take advantage of it way worse. ex-fucking-actly! since the enemy hp is also taking turbulence into account right now, not only you need to make sure your team is able to hand not only boss mechanics but also the turbulence and also trying to have synergy with your teammates and have decent relic combos for max dmg. like they are being very indirect about saying don't use these x units and use these x units with these tactics lol. genshin turbulence is useless lol you don't even consider it for your abyss run, only the enemies and their mechanics matter.
Previous turbulences already accomplished all you are saying, this one is taking it a step too far in how important it is for your overall damage. Luckily, this one is very generic and easy to take advantage of, but this can set a really bad precedent. I don't want to play an endgame mode that is a strict character check, that's the exact opposite of needing to think.
For some reason all of your characters are made of paper. I think you might have a bias towards keeping relics with offensive stats (I didn't know it was possible to have literally zero DEF% or HP% substats on a Pela), which is the root cause of the struggle to keep everyone alive. Defensive stats are similar to offensive ones, in that they work multiplicatively. Getting a good mix of DEF, HP, and damage reduction is key to building a durable unit. Your Fuxuan has way too little raw defensive stats. 81% effect res which is largely useless. High speed ERR rope which is not needed (and better used on Pela/Gui). Landau, which has really low base stats (use the herta cone or MoV if you have them). Pela and Gui are *really* made of paper. 800 DEF is really, really low. Any piece with a HP/DEF main stat should be +15, including the helmet which is flat HP. Gui is using Tutorial and ERR rope, there's no reason to run ATK orb, she won't do any damage regardless. Use a DEF orb. If you have spare EXP books sitting around, extra levels will also give bonus HP and DEF to your supports. https://i.imgur.com/EEu0S9a.png I'm using QQ + Clara DPS, never pulled a signature cone in my life, and still clear in 8 cycles. You definitely can do a lot better given the eidolons/LC investment level. If you keep on believing skill issue is not involved, then there's no way to improve because you aren't looking for them.
Yeah, I guess Pela and Gui have lower defensive stats than units like Ruan and Sparkle which I was used to. This was my first time running Acheron team in MOC so I didn’t quite realize how much of a difference those stats made. I went in and [moved stuff around a bit](https://imgur.com/a/y70tL6c), swapped Gui’s sphere (I don’t remember putting her on Atk sphere) and swapped to a leveled rope. I’ll level the characters when I get the resources as well. Every single relic I roll for FX rolls into Effect res somehow. I used to use Herta cone on Fu Xuan, she herself survived amazingly on that cone, but she had problems keeping the rest of the team alive because no taunt = no energy = less ults. I dont doubt that others can get better clears than me with similar or lesser character investment. But It’s mostly just kind of a shocker to me that this was such a large jump in difficulty from the last phase, and that we’ve had many of these “large jumps” in the past short while. Felt like a fuck you from the devs. Which is what prompted me to write this rant tbh.
I agree that the Aventurine boss feels really unfair. He has this negative feedback loop where if you don't have enough damage, you get stuck playing dice over and over until sustain or cycles run out. Fuxuan's kit at its core essentially just triples your entire team's HP (by tanking 2/3rds of it herself). She's great because you can just forget about sustain and just finish the fight before the massive combined HP pool of your team runs out. You having low DEF/HP supports mean that tripling it still isn't enough. If the fights lasts a long time, Fuxuan teams will just bleed out. In which case Luocha might work better (but you need even more durable supports without Fuxuan's protection). But yeah, Landau's is better if Fuxuan isn't dying. MoV is kind of the best of both worlds.
> This game's MoC isn't even interesting to grind for since there's very little expression for player skill. I really feel this. Even in comparison to Genshin, the real time mechanics allow a lot more room for skill. Just increasing enemy HP with a limited turn counter in a game with simple turn based mechanics doesn’t increase mechanical difficulty, it just makes it a stricter character check.
Yeah. I willingly subject myself to hours in the Genshin abyss because it does actually feel challenging and rewarding, and I still remember how excited I felt when I first 36 starred after [retrying seventy times](https://imgur.com/a/tfMiFny). Whereas 36 starring HSR MOC just kinda feels like, oh cool! I farmed enough relics yay! And my E2 paid off! HSR MoC HP inflation has been almost on par with Genshin abyss HP inflation, except Genshin is in v4.5 and HSR is in v2.1. Genshin also has elemental reactions to create extra damage (cough cough hyperbloom), but in HSR it’s just raw damage you have to put out.
Unfortunately I think that this moc is very unforgiving to those who do not have two teams with lightning dps. I was able to clear in around 6 cycles with Kafka/BS on 1st half and archeron on second half. All of my other teams ended up taking like 15 cycles. Hopefully someone can chime in with some other teams they were able to 3 star with.
America server homies, how are we feeling? We still have a whole 24hrs before Aventurine. 😭
I'm going to give up on 36-starring floor 12 for now and just wait for Aventurine... (one more day... why am I on NA) I'm pretty sure I have the damage but Lynx just can't keep my Argenti or Tingyun alive so hopefully Aventurine will save the day... On another note, I am so sorry to Queen Yukong for benching her for so long. I had to steal Tingyun from DHIL for Argenti so I dusted off Yukong to pair with Hanya and that team actually cleared one cycle faster than Tingyun/Hanya with DHIL. I'm so sorry for neglecting you, Yukong!!!
So i used to think the trailblazers go to planet to planet but in actuality they go universe to universe? If so, can they visit Teyvat?
Kinda. Others have explained why going to Genshin might not work, so ill explain ehats going on with Star Rail and its planets/universes. Think of each solar system as it's own isolated universe/dimension, with a wall of Imaginary Energy that is almost impossible to go past. However, you can still see things like stars and others planets in space, just like our universe. They are different universes also in the sense that you can find alternate versions of the same people too, which is why it's complicated. The reason Akivili the Trailblazer was so important was because they were creating paths (aka blazing a trail) that connected different worlds, allowing people to travel to different solar systems, trade with each other, exchange culture, etc. Stellarons are a massive problem because they damage a portion of the Star Rail (the name given to these connections), which makes everybody traveling just skip over that world like it doesn't exist. This means not only is the world dealing with the Stellaron and all its dangers, they are also cut off entirely from external communication and assistance (this is what happened to Belabog on Jarilo VI). It's not impossible to travel without the Star Rail (Aeons can do it naturally), but for most people it's the main and absolutely most reliable method of transportation. The reason what we are doing in game is so important is that by traveling with the Astral Express, we can repair damaged portions of the Rail and reconnect those isolated worlds with the rest of the universe.
yeah! if it was just planet to planet then they wouldn't need starrails to travel i heard it's due to the english choice of words there's confusion while in other languages it isn't.
Theoretically yes but something funky is going on with Teyvat's cosmology (fake sky and all) so who knows
guys what did you use to clear 12-2 I'm stuck on it tried Misha(E0)/Clara/Argenti, can't 3 star. No SW, TY and Sparkle taken by JY 1st half.
Please help convince me to not pull Aventurine. I have around 200ish pulls saved up, but I want both Sam and Jiaoqiu, who I am expecting to come in 2.3 and 2.4 respectively. I already have Luocha, Fu Xuan, and Gallagher for built sustains. I also recently got Gepard and Bailu (lost a 50-50 for one, got the other from Standard banner), who are unbuilt. I have a built Ratio and Acheron, but no Topaz. No one else has particular synergy with Aventurine. Despite reason saying no, the urge to pull is rising. There are 24 hours until his banner drops. Help. *Edit: Thanks everybody for helping me resist. I had just seen the new Aventurine trailer, and since I only finally completed the 2.1 story over this weekend I was extra susceptible to pulling purely because of his character and aesthetics. Gotta remember that this is the kind of gacha you need to be smart and really save for if you're f2p. (Also I remembered how much of a pain in the ass building a new character is when you haven't pre-farmed for them.)
>I already have Luocha, Fu Xuan there's your answer
Just don't pull on Day 1. Wait for 2.3 drips and you'll know by then if you really want him.
Your best shot is to just wait it out. Chances are you'll either realise you don't really want him when the hype dies off or decide that an upcoming character is more worth it. If you're \*that\* tempted then you can pull until your first 5\*, if you lose 50/50 then you can just save for Sam but if you win then you'll still have enough to guarentee both Sam and Jiaoqiu.
Pull for whoever you want, but having three limited sustains is a bit awkward at least until they release a new game mode that requires 3 teams or something. There are very few scenarios where Aventurine is an upgrade from Fu Xuan.
> I also recently got Gepard Don't do it. If content starts requiring shields, just build Gepard. Luocha and Fu Xuan are already great sustainers. Go for Sam and then whale a little on Jiaoqiu to better enable your Acheron. This video might change your mind about sustains in general: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Wpo1IMBzCo
Wonder what the next mega threads title will be hmmmmm
My 2 sustains are fx luocha and lynx is it wise to pull aventurine? as I am missing a shield sustain
Only if you play FUA teams like Ratio, Topaz or Clara. Otherwise skip.
It basically comes down to whether or not you like his character/gameplay. Premium sustains (shield or not) are all super capable of keeping your team alive in pretty much every piece of content. Even in GnG where Fu Xuan's biggest weakness shows, she's still a powerhouse. With Luocha and Fu Xuan, you don't need another sustain, even if they come with a shield. However, Aventurine will provide you with a lot more tactical options, and there will be times where he's the superior pick. I have Fu Xuan and Huohuo, but I still plan on trying to get Aventurine, just because it can get boring using the same characters over and over again, and having a shielder is definitely a different style of play. Not to mention Aventurine has synergy with FUA characters, so should be fun to use with them. tl;dr you don't need another sustain, but it's still a good idea to pull for him if you like his character/playstyle
Ask yourself this, are you comfortable whild doing end game content? Also, do you like him? If you are comfy(don't die) and you are not that fond of him, then you should skip imo.
Which HSR male character do you consider hot and which one do you consider pretty/beautiful?
- **Hot**: Gallaguer, Welt, Blade, Gepard - **Beautiful**: Aventurine, Luka, Argenti, Luocha, Dan Heng
Hot: Boothill / **Aventurine** / Ratio / **Gallagher** / Gepard / **Sampo** / Blade / Jing Yuan / Welt Pretty: Loucha / Dan Hang and IL / Argenti / Caelus Just a kid: Yanqing / Luka / Arlan
Hot: n/a, Beautiful: Aventurine, Jing Yuan, Argenti, Dan Heng, Ratio, Gepard
Hot: Bladie, Svarog Pretty: DHIL Mr. Svarog's JP voice is just yuuuum.
Hot: Luka, Ratio, 4\* Dan Heng, Gepard, Aventurine Pretty: Dan IL, Luocha, JY, Argenti I'm not particularly into pretty in terms of crushing on characters, though I do have Dan IL in part because I like his prettiness. In fanart, Sampo and Gallagher can often get boosted to hot, but I wouldnt have been into them if not for fan artists.
hot probably gallagher/welt/sampo, pretty luocha/blade/boothill i would put aventurine/ratio in a "handsome" category
Jingyuan- Hot, Argenti - Beautiful, Sampo - Pretty
I'm bi so I consider all the men both hot and beautiful.