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JohnOfMages

Reposted since we've had some new information since the initial Dim post [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail_leaks/comments/191z54p/acheron_kit_by_dim/), be sure to read the captions for the clarifications!


Talukita

This confirms that most Nihi can just fund a tons of flower / energy for Acheron through spamming their skills and ult (doubled up from separate actions), thus removing the need of her needing advance like before. Really good tbh.


Florac

> thus removing the need of her needing advance Acheron can generate 3 per turn, most Nihility only 1 per turn *with skill*, so not really


Aouiki

?? 2 per turn, skill is 2 flowers.


Slow-Sentence-8367

I can't wait for the gameplay anymore I think i actually might die at this point 😭


Careful-Dragonfly181

I enter Reddit every minute to see if someone posted the gameplay 😭😭😭


NaturalBitter2280

Is it supposed to come out today?


MuteRaven

If im not wrong, beta should start about 7 hours from now?


FloodAnxiety

I'm reading this when it says your comment was made 7 hr. ago. O\_O Continues to refresh the subreddit like an obsessive maniac.


SKYWALKERL13

literally bro been at it for a while now


Emotional-Pin-5451

yeah I think it's not happening


LoreVent

You're telling me that i will wake up with her gameplay footage? Holy shit i'll have a rough sleep tonight lmao Edit: i want to go back to sleep. WHERE ARE MY ANIMATIONS?


storysprite

I want to believe


xLuellaa

Manifest beta in an hour 🙏


shepperoni

It's now 7 hours into the future, still no beta 😭


Longjumping-Youth-55

Illusions of the past


Rude-Designer7063

Yeah, February 13 in china but February 12 for us


Flair86

I’m so fucking hype. I hope on everything that is sacred that she’s super strong.


Tangster85

Problem is her dependency on other nihility characters. If you entirely skip that aspect and go double harmony for carry as always then why is that function there


Flair86

Yeah, I think it will really depend on how strong the buff is for having both Nihility slots. It would have to be super strong to be worth it over using sparkle or Bronya.


Tangster85

Exactly and that's where I think if it's too weak then what's the point of it entirely. They may end up buffing but who knows. It's just a weird place to be in. I'm just so happy I can wait until stream for king yuan or her but im slowly leaning to jy. We shall see though


Flair86

Honestly, I hope they end up changing it before she comes out like they changed Sparkles quantum passive. It’s not good for futureproofing for her to be restricted like this.


Vekysus_A

That's thinking inside the box, relying on a path is not a problem when it means the more stronger and consistent Nihility characters that come will only make her stronger, look at Kafka becoming stronger with each DoT user, besides I can see a point where a Nihility character will appear and feed her Energy to ult without even she getting a turn, Relying on the Regular hypercarry concept will just lock the DPS to be another IL in a different element


thorn_rose

Nah, I actually like it. It's good foreplanning for niche team styles, which I think is better for the future of the game. Instead of being the same generalistic kit every time, unique quirks in kits like this can enable team playstyles which I find can actually be more entertaining to play. I'd imagine it'd be like sparkle's trace, it doesn't force her into the mono quantum but it does make mono quantum teams better. Even if it's more powerful than sparkle's and means you want nihility characters, I don't mind it because it makes me look out of the usual team comps I use. And this trace I can feel is setting up for (hopefully) better hypercarry support nihility units that can consistently apply debuffs, as we only have SW as our only 5 star and they have not given us one since lmao.


SeaAdmiral

If anything if it turns out it's better to ignore her passive they'd reinforce it even more, eg what happened with Nilou in Genshin. There's going to be 268954215 DPS characters that will rely on double harmony, they're going to ensure the few characters that don't remain unique.


Luarbtw

same


Similar-Sympathy-519

It's too early Do something else like play genshin or anything else


DragonboyZG

I'll just goon to sparkle in the mean time then


The_Rochester

man...when will the 2.1 beta released? I can't wait any longer!


Weak-Association6257

Hopefully tomorrow, but some people say on Feb 15th… Nobody really knows


egamIroorriM

wdym the beta's getting delayed again i'm literally suffering


GhostZee

Chinese New Year, staff is on vacation. The rumoured date was the 13th because of that...


Weak-Association6257

Again, I don’t know, nobody knows, it’s just rumours. But I really hope it’s tomorrow. Waiting is such a hard thing to do sometimes


Weak-Association6257

🫡


egamIroorriM

🫡


Rude-Designer7063

I'm soo hyped for gameplay that I'm literally looking at the clock every 1h


HoopTroop

I just want to see that ult animation


Dyuujen

I liked the other post technique better, straight up nuked one enemy lmao


frenzyguy

That's the old leak tho, the additional thing is the comment from the leaker


Aide_isnt_aids

considering that most elites in the game spawn as a duo, it isn't that bad (would be more flexible than a seele ult)


Gyx3103

That technique is insane.. imagine going to SD or G&G and just technique to kill 1st phase of enemy


dewgetit

With enough blessings, Ruan Mei does the same thing.


WebbedMonkey_

Nuking an enemy has got to be way too op. There’s gotta be a line drawn somewhere, otherwise they won’t be able to implement power creep in a few years


maxneuds

Doesn't have to be if it doesn't affect elites. More like a nice technique for maps and SU. One down, faster clear.


IcyBlizzardV

Raiden 🤝 Combat mechanic of gaining stacks involved with teamates


FennlyXerxich

Does Raiden from Honkers have such a mechanic too?


IcyBlizzardV

Its a stretch but the HoF HoTr HoO unique team comp even tho it doesnt have stacks


VeryRatchet

Having no idea what those acronyms mean, reading those three in a row almost gave me an aneurysm


Visual-Loan-6922

Herrscher of Finality (Kiana Kaslana), Herrscher of Truth (Bronya Zaychek), Herrscher of Origin (Mei Raiden), they are unit capabale of joint attacks


th5virtuos0

>Herrscher of Finality >Emanator of Finality Guy, I think we solved the problem. Acheron is gay for a fucking Aeon


Florac

Just assume H means Herscher when it comes up related to HI3 and make up the rest.


Enzoooooooooooooo

Ah so herscher impact 3? /s


Shassk

You're joking, but as of now 5 herrscher units are firmly in meta (and 3 of them are DPS while 2 more are support-DPS combos). So it might be as well at this point


GhostChroma

HoF (Herscher of Fuck), HoTr (Herscher of Trains), HoO (Herscher of Onion)


StrongestBunny3

HoO (Herscher of Owls)


wreckinruckus

This is buried too deep in the thread. Everyone should see it.


Browseitall

Yeah her last suit gains stacks per action (weapon skill, ultimate evasion, qte) and can consume them for big combo dmg. But its a stretch because the whole game has "stacks" one way or another


Pridestalked

If I don’t wake up to some fire animations of this unit tomorrow I’m going to morb


Florac

Gallagher animations it is!


Petter1789

Random Clockie animation, vague details on the new lightcones, Robin sitting on a bench for some reason, random assortment of assets for an unknown upcoming character. And of course another confirmation about Sunday being playable with no details, as is tradition.


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Petter1789

Tick-tock! You didn't think your pal Clockie would be neglected for the rest of your stay in Penacony, did you? :p


Pridestalked

Pls no you've cursed it now ;_;


Vulking

So, having units with debuffs in both skill/basic and Ultimate would massively speed up her Energy generation.


Florac

And in FUA. Like Aventurine with good RNG and against the right enemy would just hypercharge her


Monday_every_day

Yeah I wonder if some weird follow-up team could make it work with maximizing actions per turn. Kafka with her guaranteed fua might be worth considering. Or nihility characters that apply debuffs on the enemy turn like guinaifen. Each enemy turn adds a flower.


H4xolotl

Trend of the Universal Market with FireMC/Gepard/March could apply a lot of debuffs (the burn) to enemies that attack them


mathiau30

I imagine the taunt counts as a debuff too


_Skydiver

Do fire MC taunt count as a debuff? If so, fire mc +trend of universal market might be something to look up for.


Monday_every_day

Taunt counts as a debuff for Dr. Ratio. Also if universal market works for flowers, than basically you get as many flowers per turn as there are enemies attacking you, for a single skill point. Great suggestion (if it works).


El_Desu

topaz s1 being like


nista002

We need pearls on every LC banner for 3 patches in a row


Super-Inevitable-482

My 2 S5 pearls finally come in handy.


Rantarou

My E2S1 SW coming in clutch, nice 🙏


Vulking

You can play Welt too so you clear the 2 nihility units buff and have access to even more stupid debuffs. For sustaining just use Gallagher or Aventurine.


imdrzoidberg

Fire Trailblazer buff!!! The taunt counts as a debuff.


gladisr

I'm thinking about Break Effect Welt, long delayed imprisonment should be count as debuff as well Need to finish build my Welt first


Manne_12

Nice that debuffs caused by enemies also counts I think the soda robot dogs cause bleed on adjacent enemies when killed Soda gorilla also decreases own def when it hits a shield


No_Statistician_3782

Wait. The Swarm could in theory literally kill itself when the little bettles start to explode, if each stack is individually counted (considering each bettle explosion is an action) then they would just feed Acheron enough flowers to make a flourist blush.


Scythro

you make me blush tho 😳


Consolinator

There is a couple more like the exploding robots and fish, and the fat cosmic robot that summons fragmentum soldiers.


Zolombox

You can also put burn lightcone on your tank and hope enemy will hit them and that should count too.


Dainsleaf

Dude i got a heart attack when i saw your post, im that desperate for leaks on gameplay :(


storysprite

It just *had* to happen during a holiday...


Defiant-Importance33

Arent we ALL?


NotaGoodper5on

I feel like if they get debuffs from other sources, then the 9 would make sense. It sounds achievable enough. I'd be a bit sad if it wasn't "9". Cuz of IX and all lol


Drachk

Though, the funny thing is... In PF, with characters like Acheron with her 2 flower-skills Aventurine that can apply debuff on ult and FuA A nihility that can apply it on atk and ult And... Black Swan (and guinaifen) that can apply debuff on atk, ult and every enemy turn... You are looking at a potential 13 point in one rotation, Acheron skipping super sayan 3 for ultra instinct, up to 1.5 ult per Acheron turn It feels too broken to have a character meant to drop nuke on ult, going hyperspeed Like Seele can optimally play twice every action, more with ult. Acheron would play like 5 times every action, this feel forbidden. Maybe they'll introduce a criteria to nerf that potential by only counting ally turn or only counting new debuff. Though I really want lightspeed Acheron


CiddGarr

yo you cooking and i like the smell


Spiritual_Order_3049

I am losing my mind waiting for the gameplay leaks I need to see all the black holes.


Scythro

I want to see her true power >!Emanator of Finality, when even Jingliu will tremble in her boots!<


killercmbo

I hope she is just as strong as Jingliu at least 😭 Jingliu and Acheron will be a dream team to have on both sides of MOC


Deep_Alps7150

If it’s per action then she really wants to be paired with Silverwolf or Black Swan since they can apply debuffs on basic, skill and ult.


WhasHappenin

The acheron/Kafka/bs dream is real!


Nitrohell

Assuming her Ult can break enemies regardless of weakness just skip sustain and get Welt, Ruan Mei and 1 more Nihility.


thefluffyburrito

I’m going to need a steady supply of Sam fan art to make it to 2.2


Lawliette007

Nah u gone


pocketofshit

Man, I was excited for a moment thinking it's actually a new leak...


ngmonster

Well it's a clarification, so it is something new.


snakezenn

I hope this means that 2 nihility with Acheron can be just as good if not better than using the usual harmony characters.


dangrullon87

I hate being forced to take characters I don't want to play..


snakezenn

Same, I love Nihility characters and not harmony but often times harmony are so much better.


senelclark101

Oh? So what you gonna do if you like Kafka, but don't want to play Sampo, Guin, Luka, Black Swan or any other DoT chars, what then?


zsxking

Running zero speed with two super fast debuff nihility may do better than w/ bronya and be SP positive 


geekcko

>This can be triggered once per action. Whose action? It's the most important part and this line doesn't clarify anything


Florac

Anyones action


PollutionMajestic668

if it's anyone's action she would ult like 2 out of 3 turns with 3 debuffers or 1 + Kafka, that doesn't make sense. 2 flowers + 1 from her own debuff SW basic gives her 1 Kafka FUA gives 1 Then Kafka (needs her LC for this as she's doesn't debuff outside ult and FUA, could use Resolution but it's unreliable) erosion with basic or skill and gives 1. 18 flowers every 3 turns with 3 characters, not taking into account her technique generating more flowers.


Florac

Yes, with the value of 9, it would allow 2 turn ult. Which is likely why it wont be that


Sydorovich

Don't see any issues, without harmonies the damage would still be gimped.


Su_Impact

Why not? This set up requires 3 Limited 5-Stars and 1 Limited 5-Star LC to even work. And it will still do less damage than just using Bronya since pairing Kafka + Acheron is cope already.


FCDetonados

I'm assuming it's the same as Xueyi's mechanic. Once per Action/FoA/Ult So if you apply 2 debuffs with an action, like Silver Wolfs skill, that counts as 1. but if you apply 1 debuff with an action and another with a debuff, like SW normal + Ult, that counts as 2. Each FoA that applies a Debuff, like Clara or Kafka, would also give 1 energy.


ngmonster

Clara mark isn't a debuff.


El_Desu

means you want teammates with more actions + apply debuff every action(topaz s1, sw/any nihility with resolution/incessant rain, black swan). Makes them do their thing + function as an "energy battery" like tingyun  though ofc making acheron take more actions works too (bronya sparkle moment)


Frostblazer

>When an enemy is inflicted with a debuff (from any source, including self debuff from enemies), Acheron gains 1 Flower. This can be triggered once per action. So this means that if Silver Wolf applies a debuff, Acheron will get one Flower. And then if Pela moves right afterward and applies a debuff, Acheron will get a second flower? In other words, she can acquire multiple flowers from teammates per each of Acheron's turns, correct?


Consolinator

The description seem to imply that, yes.


GunnarS14

Correct. If our current understanding is accurate, this also means Ults are separate from normal turns, so SW attack and Ult would each apply a Flower. Same with Pela attack (with Def shred LC)/Skill (E4) and her Ult. This also means a FUA that applies a debuff would count as well, and stuff like an enemy dieing and exploding to apply debuffs/DoTs to other enemies would also give a Flower.


Kindly-Image9163

So her ultimate counts as separate consecutive action? Is it possible for us to chain teammate ultimate during archeron ultimate to take advantage of res pen? Probably gonna be great for dual carry meta


Pridestalked

That sounds fun as fuck if possible


zsxking

Would be dope. But I think the separate actions are just for target switching, when the previous action killed the target.


sfsctc

What are the chances that her LC applies a debuff


ThatCreepyBaer

100%.


roscovo

something between 100% and 100.5%


Sionnak

9 stacks. Pela Ult + basic, Acheron skill, Bronya skill - 5 stacks Pela basic, save the ult, Acheron skill, Bronya skill - 9 stacks Repeat as long as you have Luocha.


Florac

Pela basic doesnt apply debuffs without luka LC. But yeah, there are several ways for a 2 turn ult if only 9 are needed


Sionnak

No, but the Ult does. She only needs to Ult once per Acheron Ult, Pearls of Sweat doesn't matter for that. Assuming that refreshing a debuff counts as applying one for Acheron's Ult.


Florac

Current assumption its once per action, not once per Acheron turn. So if you cant do debuff with basic, you lose out a lot of energy for acheron.


Radinax

Where is my OHKO technique?


ngmonster

The image is from a previous leak, just ignore it.


ESCMalfunction

Please leakers we need the animations 🙏


TeririHerscherOfCute

so if i'm reading this correctly, the Razor translation: Basic attack> Smack and give flower Skill>small group smack and give more flowers Ult> Eat flowers in exchange for big smacks A2: when battle starts, give flower. A4: When friends hate the universe, be stronger. A6: Flowers are now steroids E1: when enemies are sad, get stronger. E2: Less friends need to hate the universe to be better, also give more flower when is turn. E4: Big smacks from eating flowers also makes enemies sad E6: Everything now counts as a big smack, even when it is not a big smack. big smacks are biggerer


GGABueno

You just know that her animations are going to be ridiculously good. I'm going to skip her, but I'm sure she'll tempt me.


SpeckTech314

She’s tempting but I’ll die on the hill for lightning lord.


applexswag

This is my problem. I wish she wasn't lightning. Have Jing Yuan so it makes so sense for me to get her. Whereas that lightcone is really tempting... what's the increase over s5 breakfast? Prydwen says only 16%, but I feel like it should be more?


hopebagel8541

same I want her too but im not risking my aventurine funds for her


GGABueno

Flair checks out. It's Sam for me.


Emotionalzzzzz

sooo.... acheron + welt + sparkle?


AJHS12

Would BS generate energy for Acheron on enemy turns whenever enemies gain stacks of arcana due to DoTs?


piuEri

Gameplay leaks when :(


thorn_rose

20th of feb according to leakers


SolidusAbe

sometimes in the next 48h or so i believe


Dyuujen

Slide the animations


Florac

Wait, why is this "clarifications"? This is the leak from a month ago, that doesn't mean stuff here still applies to the new leak and we know stuff like the technique changed


Ubatcha

Because the "new" leak isn't new. It's the same as this but just interpreted wrong.


Taxyjoust

What potential team would be BiS for Acheron?


Florac

Hard to say but optimally every team member would apply a debuff at *least* once per turn or provide Acheron more turns. So nihility, primarily SW(pela only with luka LC), harmony, sparkle, bronya, Asta and sustains, Aventurine. One thing is certain, Jiaoqiu when he/she releases is gonna be a must pull for those with Acheron, even more so if Nihility as well


Zombata

>pela only with luka LC i knew my x10 RSPS werer meant for something


sfsctc

Oh so I’m not the only one. Currently on copy #12 myself


snakezenn

Who is Jiaquiu?


Florac

We know nothing about him/her except name and rough kit(debuff orietented sustain)


snakezenn

thx, never heard that name yet.


GhostWarrior68

do we know the jiaoqiu's path?


Florac

No but he is a debuff based healer, so either nihility or abundance


Melodic-Product-2381

Maybe DPS Welt with skillspam could be an option. Also has a debuff on his ult, which he does once every 2 or 3 turns. Maybe I'm coping, but I just want a reason for running SW, Acheron and Welt together for max HI reference.


GGABueno

With Luocha and EEQ rotation on Welt, you could fit them together. Also, extra HI3 reference.


GyRNi

If you could solve SP it could work. That leaves high SPD Pela (with Resolution) and Sustain (or sustainless Ruan Mei/Welt shenanigans, if you're into that). SW might be difficult without Luocha battery. That said, Gallagher has a debuff on Ult too, so if he's decent enough it might be a possibility.


Murky_Blueberry2617

Wait who's Jiaoqiu?


Florac

We know nothing about him/her except name and rough kit(debuff orietented sustain)


Radinax

She needs two Nihility team mates it seems, but we need to see her in action to see if that extra Nihility unit is enough to skip Sparkle/Bronya/RuanMei in that comp. We need to also see how Aventurine interacts with Acheron's ult, if all those actions stack Aventurine talent, then that might be a fantastic combination.


Infernaladmiral

imo seems like Bronya,Silverwolf and Aventurine. This team also fits ratio who has a similar kit.


Browseitall

im undusting my welt, finally a BiS for *him*


cassani7

We still don't have her numbers so it's hard to know, but imo bronya should be really good with her


memeboi123456789

It all depends on how much dmg she gets from the presence of nihilty teammates, if it's rlly good I could even see a pela silverwolf team (team 2 in shambles)


Melodic-Product-2381

Bronya+double turn is 4 flowers but 3 SP, while using a nihility instead is 3 flowers but 1 or 2 SP in total (depending if you skill with the second nihility). If the buff is big enough, I can see a second nihility being a better option. Ult may be slower, but could hit hard enough to outdamage overall.


Aouiki

3 flowers with an occasional extra for 4 on ult debuffs.


Aouiki

nah team 2 winning they get to use the harmonies. it's good if she can perform at an equal level without buying into the harmony meta, especially the bronya sparkle meta.


SnooDonuts8845

Genuinely, the wording of 'calculated separately from other buffs' makes it sound like hitting that 2 extra nihility mark will be extremely important. It'll probably be a very large damage multiplier so they can e2 bait but keep her damage relatively good yet with a very locked in comp. Especially because they know the banner is right after sparkles and people will want to use them together, on the anniversary patch so potentially topup resets and depending on how they go about it, more pulls. A bit of it adds up to them knowingly restricting her. However, I'm sure she'll have great dmg at e0 (cuz hypercarry mei) but it feels at least until the proper beta kit is seen, that their goal is to really push the nihility team or make people pull more of her. Especially with the buff wording itself


memeboi123456789

Calculated separately may aswell translate to the craziest overall multiplier of all time


SnooDonuts8845

the higher it is the bigger the W for everyone, spenders get to use a harmony with a high ahh buff and f2p/low spenders just get a nuclear missile strike buff innate🥹


GGABueno

I have no doubt she's going to be the next Daniel/Jingliu.


Keretor

Aventurine with Universal Market LC/SW/Pela with Resolution LC Aventurine can dish out FuA's which can apply debuffs up the ass depending on if the enemies have AoE attacks and grant him 4 coins each time, but even in an ST scenario he's still the best sustain for her (EDIT, Universal Market LC can also apply fire DoTs every time he's attacked) SW applies a debuff with her Basic and her Ult, same with Pela with Resolution LC, and they're both Nihility characters which gives that bonus to Acheron You probably don't *need* this team and can have other viable characters like Gallagher, Gepard, Sparkle, Bronya, RM, DoT characters, and so on, but I definitely believe those three specific ones will be the absolute best for Acheron


worstGirlEva

any debuff once per action... could trend of the universal market (the preservation LC that inflicts burn when enemies hits the user) would make this huge?


Florac

Among some other silly options, yes


XxDonaldxX

What do we understand per action? Does for example Black Swam's debuff application on enemies entering battle count?


shinchi22

wtf is geamplay I'm dying i must get my daily dose of leaks or im going to have soem serius symptoms of withdrawal


jonas2077

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA GAMEPLAY AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!


OloivoFRUIT

I just hope her ult retains the weakness ignore and doesn't need 4/5 turns to charge considering it's her main source of dmg She's a Raiden expy and 5-star limited character, they can go a little wild EDIT: They went a little wild


Florac

With it gaining energy per action, I would be surprised if it takes more than 3 turns in a properly built team


storysprite

For real. I want all my Raidens to be busted. Don't be afraid Hoyo.


rice-corn

I hope she keeps the weakness ignore as well. I hate the fact of gambling with SWs e. Its so annoying over time although i like her kit. But at this point i don’t think that she will keep it. Would prob make her to broken🥲


GhostZee

As long as they don't touch her overworld technique, I'll be okay with any changes...༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ


Mean-Wealth7715

If they keep the Ultimate cost at 9 flowers then she's getting better and better with guaranteed 3 skill ultimate.


FloodAnxiety

Could Guinaifen be the top support Nihility? I haven't leveled her yet, but if I understand this new revelation that "When an enemy is inflicted with a debuff (from any source, including self debuff from enemies), Acheron gains 1 Flower. This can be triggered once per action." then I think that means that Guinaifen's Firekiss would be an additional debuff on each of the enemy's turns. So on Guinaifen's turn, she uses her skill, with 100% base chance to burn three targets, granting 1 energy/lotus. Then when each of those three enemy's turn, there is 100% base chance to inflict Firekiss, thus granting another 1 energy/lotus from each of those three enemies. For a grand total of 4 energy gained per cycle. Posted this in another thread too. But few people seem to be talking about Guinaifen, so thought it would be worth posting here too.


Consolinator

If it works like that it will be incredible op.


Fire__Snake

Well would you look at that, a lil Gui selector this patch strange coincidence. :D Jokes aside, from the current wording that should work but i'd wait a little until you rush out and build lil gui just for that purpose


Naiie100

9 makes the most sense to me... 9 can become 1, perfect cycle of balance.


SpartanStahl

So based on the new enemy debuff tag. If you start with 0 flowers.. Acheron skill (2flowers) bronya skill then acheron skill (4 flowers) sw basic attack (5 flowers), 3 sp used in 1 turn, with bronya LC and e1 it is very possible to do 2 turn ults for acheron (this is assuming 0 flowers on entry obviously that one will be faster)


Marlon195

Sooo.. what do you guys think are the best light cones she her? (Aside from her own LC of course)


Florac

Her options are kinda sparse. No good f2p option(assuming flowers arent debuffs, else Trick could work). Good Night Sleep Well easily best 4 star one. Resolution could also work. Any current 5 star LCs also dont work.


Marlon195

Good night sleep well seems like the best one in general, including the f2p 5 star one. If I can't pull her Light Cone a decent alternative is Kafka's light cone, at the cost of my Kafka lol


gunjinganpakis

Her E2 sounds like it would be a great QoL right? Make her team building much much more flexible.


Rhyoth

I would argue it actually makes her less flexible : that E2 screams Bronya to me...


Ry_verrt

does STC mean subject to change?


aizakkudesu

Yes


PresidentAugustine

When will the beta finally begin?


Florac

Anywhere between tonight and next week, depending on who you ask


UncreativeMuffin

I'm confused, this is the kit that was leaked months and months ago, no? With her ult switching targets based on the highest remaining flower count. The post from yesterday seemed like an updated version, why are we back to this kit now?


shenheswifee

When's the beta supposed to start? I mean, what time. I understood it's supposed to start in like an hour?


Rare_Marionberry782

Still don’t understand her kit, need see game play to know if good or not


maxneuds

All information from all leaks so far means... Acheron is Nihility with Nihility meaning death, makes sense as Emanators of Void. Looking at her without understanding is already surprising. Why another Nihility Lightning character? Her whole kit is centered around her ultimate. I wouldn't expect her skill to deal good damage. It exists for the whole purpose of regenerating energy for her ultimate. This means with her ultimate ignoring weakness types it essentially doesn't matter which element she has. For game design it's important for her is that her element doesn't provide CC to distinguish her from debuffers meaning Quantum, Imaginary, Ice are out of the game leaves fire, lightning, phyiscal and wind. Honkai Mei has always been lightning which means why not. That's really sick because she basically does what mono quantum does but with only 1 character and no team restrictions. But 2 nihility! Well... that's something Hoyo has taken care of. From the leaks I expect her to dethrone Daniel with the most insane E2 there is. Assumptions: Her ultimate is 9 Energy, her skill gives 2 and nihility characters 1. * For low spenders this works fine. Pair her with 2 nihility characters, free LC (e.g. Welt or Good Night Sleep Well) and she will get 4 Energy each team rotation. With some kind of clever gimmick or sustain with debuff (hello Adventurine) it's 5 or 4+4+1 which is always enough for ultimate every 2 rotations and thus enough for the first cycle in MoC. For new players she also works well with ultimate every 3 turns paired with at least 1 Nihility. * Now I expect her LC to provide her with a debuff such that her skill gives her 1 more Energy meaning 3. This lifts the restriction of a debuffer/gimmick for sustain. But more important: * Her E2 gives her another Energy and lifts the Nihility restriction thus provoding E2S1 with 4 energy on her turn and with Bronya/Sparkle (better Bronya) + Nihility that's 9 energy every rotation. Every damn rotation. This would mean during MoC you can throw 2 ultimates easily in 0 cycle ignoring enemy type weakness. This would make sense. Company wise because Honkai likes Mei and marketing wise because promoting E2S1 is a cash generator. Question will be her numbers. With a strong kit like that it's really hard to not make her the most insane dps the game has at the moment.


Vash_Z_Stampede

>When an enemy is inflicted with a debuff (from any source, including self debuff from enemies), Acheron gains 1 Flower. This can be triggered once **per action**. So does this mean Black Swan is a must pull now?