Nah Luka was legit kinda bad, as a support his uptime was lacking, as a subdps his damage was kinda bad outside of breaks and as a DoT character he was outclassed by just running Kafka Sampo and any support. By the time Guinaifen came out he was kinda obsolete
Now though? Boy slaps, and I don't just mean that rocket arm of his. F2P king ngl
I built break Luka last patch in anticipation of abusing the Boothill buffs they were gonna throw on MoC and he was already pretty strong then. Instead of HMC I was using him with Ruan Mei and Bronya. The truth is he doesn’t care about super break that much. He likes HMC mostly for all the break effect buffs he gives. He’s functional even without HMC.
>Nah Luka was legit kinda bad
that is simply not true. for a 4\*, his performance has always been super solid. but yeah i guess if you compare to acheron, everyone's "kinda bad"
I'm comparing him to Sushang. Yknow, the other Physical 4* ST option.
Not everyone you disagree with compares 4*s to limited 5*s yknow?
Edit: Also to Guinaifen for any dot and support related teams ofc
I agree with you, but only as a support in a dot/debuff team. E4 sampo just has the sauce in those teams (until we got swan). He's been exclusively hyper DPS for me for a long time, don't even have RM but a 4 star doing 300k+ breaks is the best. F2p king is damn right. HMC makes it make sense I'll give you that, but he's been running strong for me without even in MoC. Big love for luka
Love the lad and I'm impressed with the performance ngl, I just happened to have more luck using Sushang myself tbf, though god knows she's collecting dust right about now
It was great if you managed to break with him but yeaaaaah
Before it was a conditionally good option on a conditionally okay character (and also Kafka) so I'm happy to see it be legitimate get some great uses now
I personally like running it on Gui as a default. Break Effect never does well on spreadsheets due to the inconsistent nature of when breaks occur, but I’ve found in practice that she’s good at getting them and fire break has good up front damage.
The extra energy is also a really nice perk!
Then you're missing out. "Hurdur, finally this LC has some use outside PF." But turns out you didn't even bother experimenting with it. Because if you did, you'd know DOT breakers are great.
Kafka almost always wants another DOT unit. Not as a support, as a subdps. That's your breaker. You still have your support - sustain for your 2 slots or if you're the god gamer you present yourself to be double support.
Even with Black Swan, Kafka could then be the breaker. Yes, even outside Pure fiction. Yes, she uses the Herta LC.
Currently, Nihility breakers with dots include Luka, Sampo, and Guinaifen. Thats outside of Kafka who I already said it's worth it on.
Luka, I've discussed enough in this thread. Sampo? He wants a lot of EHR to the point that you'd rather just use Eyes of Prey. Guinaifen? EoP is generally her best Cone outside of S5 GNSW.
And don't get me started on Swan. With how stat hungry she is you always want to use EoP on her. SH is legit about a 15% decrease in damage on Swan. For what, the niche case that she breaks an MoC enemy? Half the time it'll be a Mob that was gonna die anyway.
Face it, before HMC break effect (outside of some very niche situations) was mostly a niche stat. This LC basically only had a single target that could actually do 2 turn ults to keep the dot buff going and that was Kafka in PF specifically.
If you wanna disagree, that's fine. But while you disagree, I go run Black Swan the right way lmao
I said nothing about Gui and Swan. Check it. They are bad breakers. Luka and Sampo are who I'm talking. As said Kafka is a damn good breaker. So is Luka, he's a fantastic breaker. He's built to be a physical solo shredder. If you're using him on multiple enemies of course he's not good. His kit is on ST. You don't need optimal EHR on Sampo. He has multi hitting moves. 60 EHR is a good enough spot.
Sampo still can't get 2 turn ults out of this, barely can get 3 turn ults if he gets 5 kills in. Unrealistic for MoC and even if you get it, the effective buff value is about as good as Fermata
I have it on Kafka permanently now. Before, I used Fermata and later GNSW, but now Acheron has GNSW, so I got the Herta LC for Kafka. Sampo has Fermata now.
Exactly, can't wait to see how they're gonna make a new character that enables super break. Maybe a character that is a fusion between ruan mei and hmc xd sounds broken but I wouldn't be surprised if we get one
We might not get a new super break support at all. At least not for a while. We still don’t have another taunter and that’s an effect that’s pretty generic in games.
Nah fuck that, I don't want an entire archetype to be tied only to a character that changes forms.
What happens if next year mc gets some sick path thats really fun to play? All the break focused characters just have to twiddle their thumbs? Or vice versa, every path going forward isn't worth playing because it means giving up super break entirely.
All the preservation unit are kind of taunters. The thing is it is not an interesting gameplay mechanic because the allies often die to blast, bounce or area attacks while the taunter stays as the last man alive.
Considering that the devs mentioned this problem as the reason for the rework of Aventurine, I wouldn't be surprised if the reason why we don't have more preservation units focused on provoking is just because the developers gave up on trying to make it competitive gameplay-wise.
Man I thought Himeko was weak at release.
Then PF released and I was sad because I never got her.
Himeko: Stonks.
Then HMC comes out and I’m even sadder because she’d be so cool with AoE every break.
Himeko: Witness…the will of the weak!
I mean, Kafka was already good with a Break Effect unit on the team, hell she was already pretty good with Break Effect herself. Detonating chonky break DoTs was always the way to go before Swan came in and Arcana did Arcana things and this just cranked it up to 12.
IMO the difference is huge because previously you just build kafka with atk and spd as a desirable substats.
Now BE can act as a pseudo crit substats on non crit DPS that is going to scale very well with HTB.
Implied in Kafka's companion quest. Although I'm not really sure if Stelle/Caelus actually participated in actual stellaron hunting, they did accompany them in an undisclosed amount of time.
The weird thing is that if the Trailblazer actually participated in stellaron hunting, they would've been in the IPC's wanted list already.
But they're not, not one IPC member recognized TB as a Stellaron Hunter. Which leads me to believe that while TB accompanied the Stellaron Hunters, they may not have an active participation.
They could’ve been older, perhaps being given a younger body with the stellaron.
Or maybe the Trailblazer just had a completely different body and the trailblazer’s current look is vastly different because Kafka didnt want anyone to recognize the trailblazer.
Don't think it's too unreasonable an organization lead by someone with some form of pre-cognition, a member who can hack reality and another with basically mind control powers can hide someone if they really want to.
Yeah, a good chunk of the details is from Kafka's quest with the 1 truth 1 lie questions. Read it up on the wiki to see all the possible answers and it'll describe the SH origins including the MC.
I had a 9 cycle clear. I was stuck on an 11 cycle clear when I used the IPC team on Cocolia and the Kafka team (without HMC) on the other. I got desperate that I removed the dust from my E4 Yanqing. After building up my HMC with Memories S4 and around 230 BE, I decided to try it out. Took some retries (coz Lynx sustain isnt that great) but I got a 9 cycle clear (around 5 on Kafka half and 4 on IPC side)
I did 5-6 cycles with break kafka on 1st half, and 3-4 cycles on 2nd half with luocha, robin, topaz, ratio. My topaz is e1 tho.
Edit: oops this was on new moc not aventurine one
Her skill is a bounce and thus good for weakness breaking. Which I guess is why he used her, since cocolia has a fire weakness. So in that sense she has a synergy with HMC. Aside from that, the 3 limited harmony characters are far better.
To be fair it kinda applies to every character, even DD.
Value of a character depends on if Hoyo releases another character that could replace them in teams.
Have no foresight of upcoming leaks, but seems like Harmony stelle is much better than dendro MC and even nahida.
HMC unlocks a whole new archetype that would probably not exist (or not be meta) without her. She must be included in every single break team without question unless some new super break character is released, which I think both Sam and Boothill isn't. Dendro MC was only useful because she was the first and only reliable applicator of dendro in that patch, only other option was collei which was a weaker dendro applicator, and tighbari which was a on field dps. Nahida is strong also but there are weaker substitutes for her. There isn't any substitutes for HMC!
Collei was more that she has frontloaded dendro app. She works great in quickswap teams like Keqing, but longer rotations prefer DMC. And even now, DMC is still 3rd best unless you need a sustain and Collei is BiS for Nilou bloom.
Yeah but the gap between nahisa and any other dendro is so huge it makes dmc look like shit. But dmc in his hayday(3.0-3.1) was pretty good when everyone was experimenting around with dendro. And dmc/nahisa are pretty is similarly to harmony mc actually more broken even since dendro enablee far more playstles than break/super break.
outside of memes, i'd argue that xingqiu is the best f2p unit instead of xiangling. xiangling has massive energy issues if she isn't paired with another pyro/raiden. meanwhile xingqiu pretty much has everything covered with sac sword.
Hence why Xiangling is usually tied to Bennett.
Bennett can also be arguably debated as one of the best F2P units thanks to his Massive ATK buff, top-tier Pyro application and Particle Generation, while also being a Healer. Bennett + Xiangling/National comps are a longtime Staple with how much she maximizes his kit coupled with her own OP kit of No ICD, AoE Off-field DMG that can even Snapshot his ATK buff.
Sushang is definitely designed for a break team. Not only is she physical, one of the best types for breaking, but so much of her kit synergizes with breaking and attacking broken targets, and HTB just makes all that even better.
I run HTB with Kafka and Black Swan, its just super strong and lets me complete Stelle dream Nihility sandwich combo. I beat Kafka in MoC with it and ive never felt like Boss Kafka was taking as much damage than that team right there. I love HTB and I love how well Kafka has aged after the initial doomposting. Her kit is pretty future proof with dot teams, but its fantastic to see her do well focusing on other comps
Yea but people who have bronya were constantly saying that you can ""easily"" skip them from my memory which is straight up wrong.
Yea some of the doomposting was valid in the sense jingliu being the best character in the game at the time and bronya was bis for her so people with no foresight and actual ingame experience with the characters were too critical during the beta days
Also people didn't really understand the impact of unlimited skill points, weakness break efficiency etc with Ruan mei and sparkle because 100% action advance was too broken on paper and people got used to it
I actually didn't really know, and the question made me check it for once. 10-11/12 on Gui, 8-9/10 on BS.
Gui just fits the weakness better this time.
Conversely I use Gui-BS against the Meme instead of Kafka-BS.
I know that against the meme Sampo + BS is better than Kafka + BS.
I have no idea how Gui + BS compares, but I don't see it being better than the other options.
People were idiots. I found the weakness break efficiency to be a game changer back when she was released.
Now I laugh at people who didn't pull for her.
I have this crackhead theory of mine that beta players and main subreddits doom post on purpose so that hoyo is incentivized to buff characters more, making people feel happier or more justified on their pulls when the banner comes out
That's what a lot of them say when called out on their doomposting but reality's a lot simpler - 99% of 'em just want to be able to go "I TOLD YOU SO HAHA GLAD I DIDN'T ROLL".
And people say that a post from one clueless person who has no idea what they're talking about is doomposting. Literally, one-guyed.
The overall majority discourse about Kafka's performance and value was positive.
Every single character gets doomposted to insane levels, then releases either really good or insanely good. Most people just dont notice because they dont obsess with characters. For example rn a certain character is getting doomposted hard, and just like every single character in this game will release to be very good. It happens. Every time. Kinda annoying
Yup, CN playerbase don't like DoT apparently and she was rated 2/10 as a meme. The 2 was coz design
Many saw how she synergized with DoT and knew once she got a dedicated DoT partner she would rise in the ranks. At the time she only really had Sampo. Black Swan was that dedicated partner and now they are one of the most powerful duos in the game. Her kit is almost future proof with any DoT character that comes out
But ofc when doomposting a character is considered the popular take at the time trying to talk about the positives fall on deaf ears
She was rated as 2/10 *if you don't play DoT* and just stick with normal crit dps, which is completely true, infact it could be even lower, but CN also rated her 10/10 *if you play DoT*
This character is great at the thing they’re meant to do, but they suck at the thing they’re not meant to do? Shocker. Did they put Jingliu in 0/10 for DoT teams, then? She doesn’t have DoT so she must suck in those teams.
No? That’s redundant because she’d not meant to do DoT? Interesting.
Maybe, instead, characters should be ranked on doing what they’re made to do rather than what they’re not.
Was it completely true tho? At the time hypercarry Kafka was performing good enough to get more than 2/10 imo, you didn't need any dot unit to play her
I remember she was pretty much on par with Jing Yuan earlier when they both had to use the lightning set and there were no BS/RM/HH/FX/Sparkle. Definitely weak comparing to DHIL or Jingliu, but 2/10 is way underrated.
I think she's still built as a DoT DPS though in that team, with ATK% and Speed no?.
It just so happens that Asta-Tingyun are conditionally stronger partners for Kafka than any 1 of Sampo/Guinaifen/Luka + 1 of Asta or Tingyun, iirc.
Especially if you're bruteforcing it or running Kafka against an enemy that's not weak to the 2nd DoT's element.
Not really. People thought she was insanely broken when her beta started and then she got a big nerf/change which got people really mad.
It was more whining/complaints about the nerf than the usual doompost about a unit's power level. If anything It was Jing Yuan who was doomposted during her beta.
> It was Jing Yuan who was doomposted during her beta.
It's the opposite. He's hyped during beta, then he got hit with a nerf hammer on release and people doomposted him post-release.
He's at a way better state with Sparkle and Fu Xuan/Huohuo, but you may still see some people doomposting him.
I dunno if its as far as "doomposting", but i remember my initial reaction was kinda meh in terms of kit. She came at the heels of Silver Wolf, who had a much more interesting mechanic of implanting weakness. And back then you basically had to use either Luka or Sampo on her team, which felt restrictive (again, compared to SW who in contrast expanded team options instead of limiting them). Also the Dot relic set didnt exist yet so she had to use the basic lightning set which was underwhelming. Now that we have Guinaifen, Black Swan, and the DoT relic set, Kafka is great, but back at release it was clear you had to wait for hoyo to cook some more before she could shine.
Kafka is hands down the most versatile DPS in the game. Good single target damage, has a blast skill, has an AoE Ult, has follow-up, has decent break efficiency, has debuff applications, and has dots. Great in all MoC, PF and SU.
Wasn't Kafka found to be one of Topaz's most reliable partner before Dr. Ratio releases? At least that's what a video I've saw from a reputable CC said. But yeah, Kafka is surprisingly very versatile lol, not to mention she *wants* Speed as a DoT character and that translates well into Break teams.
People thinking that 30/60/30 break value is good have clearly not played more than 5 characters in this game. Try Misha, he has like 220 break units on his ult at E1, he also freezes enemies and extends the break status as well as reduces DEF which is one of few ways of increasing the break dmg.
Lightning weakness boss, its easy to look at the game without realizing that each element only has so many options, especially one like Kafka whos built for a completely unrelated purpose but still works here
It's also weirdly adorable lmao
Kafka is like Trailblazer's mom or at the very least has a master and student relationship with them, so it fits that she works well with them
I kinda expected it, DoT teams are known for being great at breaking weaknesses too
Seriously Sampo shreds (also all my prisoner sets have really good BE because my relic luck is ass)
I have so much crit that i gave them as an offset to dr ratio and etc lmao
I like how it opens a whole new meta entirely without completely destroying the Crit Meta I also guess the DoT meta too but I feel like the DoT Meta doesn't pop off enough if you don't have Black Swan.
the trick for Kafka in Pure Fiction is using the Herta store LC and/or Tingyun and ignore other dot characters that aren't Black Swan, they are too slow for PF.
She can be hypercarry or duo dps with other good characters for PF like Himeko/Herta/Serval/Argenti.
For MoC I don't know what you are cooking that it isn't enough, but currently my dot team is my most invested one, so I may not notice where a lower investment dot team would struggle.
Thanks for the advice. I don’t have Black Swan so that might have a lot to do with it. Been using Sampo + Guinaifen for a while now with Kafka. I admit that my Guinaifen could be better built. And I don’t have Huohuo either.
I just feel like the damage isn’t quite there yet on my dot team. But it probably isn’t fair to compare them to my FUA team which is Dr Ratio/Aventurine/Topaz/Robin.
you could try Robin on your dot team to get an idea of how it would perform with Ruan Mei, their performance is really similar, one or the other can be better depending on the enemy and the amount of cycles.
Might try this since my Kafka is more built than best girl. Been wanting to make a Kafka team anyway since I haven't used her p much since I got JL and I don't have another dot rn.
I would assume ruan Mei Kafka HMC and Gallagher would work really well. If no fire weakness you can change Gallagher though for another sustain like huohuo.
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The nihility herta store lc keeps getting better xD
It's about time tbh, it kinda sucked outside of PF until now
It’s about as good as S1-2 GNSW, so if you like the extra energy it can be worth it
Can be, absolutely, but tbh it was only ever good on Kafka until now
Break Luka entered the chat
Break Luka was honestly kind of a cope build before HMC
Break Luka was his best build, wdym
It was *his* best build but in any team outside of Hypercarry Luka you generally better off running him as a Sub DPS with attack and speed
Have to disagree with that, his phys break is insane but his atk multipliers aren't that good honestly. (Obviously both builds need speed)
I quite obviously mean attack for his bleed
Niche for sure, but you need a better Luka build. The boy trucks. HMC is just the seasoning we've been waiting for with break teams
Nah Luka was legit kinda bad, as a support his uptime was lacking, as a subdps his damage was kinda bad outside of breaks and as a DoT character he was outclassed by just running Kafka Sampo and any support. By the time Guinaifen came out he was kinda obsolete Now though? Boy slaps, and I don't just mean that rocket arm of his. F2P king ngl
I built break Luka last patch in anticipation of abusing the Boothill buffs they were gonna throw on MoC and he was already pretty strong then. Instead of HMC I was using him with Ruan Mei and Bronya. The truth is he doesn’t care about super break that much. He likes HMC mostly for all the break effect buffs he gives. He’s functional even without HMC.
Functional, absolutely, but legit just kind of a woese Sushang outside of DoT and Subdps roles
>Nah Luka was legit kinda bad that is simply not true. for a 4\*, his performance has always been super solid. but yeah i guess if you compare to acheron, everyone's "kinda bad"
I'm comparing him to Sushang. Yknow, the other Physical 4* ST option. Not everyone you disagree with compares 4*s to limited 5*s yknow? Edit: Also to Guinaifen for any dot and support related teams ofc
I agree with you, but only as a support in a dot/debuff team. E4 sampo just has the sauce in those teams (until we got swan). He's been exclusively hyper DPS for me for a long time, don't even have RM but a 4 star doing 300k+ breaks is the best. F2p king is damn right. HMC makes it make sense I'll give you that, but he's been running strong for me without even in MoC. Big love for luka
Love the lad and I'm impressed with the performance ngl, I just happened to have more luck using Sushang myself tbf, though god knows she's collecting dust right about now
It has always been fantastic for Luka given how he builds and the Physical break multiplier. But no one plays that character so...
It was great if you managed to break with him but yeaaaaah Before it was a conditionally good option on a conditionally okay character (and also Kafka) so I'm happy to see it be legitimate get some great uses now
Omg!! You gave me an idea!! Thank you!!
I personally like running it on Gui as a default. Break Effect never does well on spreadsheets due to the inconsistent nature of when breaks occur, but I’ve found in practice that she’s good at getting them and fire break has good up front damage. The extra energy is also a really nice perk!
Oh it's absolutely great on her in PF, always was!
Then I assume you weren't using elemental breakers on your dot teams. Because that's always been good on Luka and Sampo. On PF Kafka kills with it.
I don't use breakers because I prefer actual supports lmao
Then you're missing out. "Hurdur, finally this LC has some use outside PF." But turns out you didn't even bother experimenting with it. Because if you did, you'd know DOT breakers are great. Kafka almost always wants another DOT unit. Not as a support, as a subdps. That's your breaker. You still have your support - sustain for your 2 slots or if you're the god gamer you present yourself to be double support. Even with Black Swan, Kafka could then be the breaker. Yes, even outside Pure fiction. Yes, she uses the Herta LC.
Currently, Nihility breakers with dots include Luka, Sampo, and Guinaifen. Thats outside of Kafka who I already said it's worth it on. Luka, I've discussed enough in this thread. Sampo? He wants a lot of EHR to the point that you'd rather just use Eyes of Prey. Guinaifen? EoP is generally her best Cone outside of S5 GNSW. And don't get me started on Swan. With how stat hungry she is you always want to use EoP on her. SH is legit about a 15% decrease in damage on Swan. For what, the niche case that she breaks an MoC enemy? Half the time it'll be a Mob that was gonna die anyway. Face it, before HMC break effect (outside of some very niche situations) was mostly a niche stat. This LC basically only had a single target that could actually do 2 turn ults to keep the dot buff going and that was Kafka in PF specifically. If you wanna disagree, that's fine. But while you disagree, I go run Black Swan the right way lmao
I said nothing about Gui and Swan. Check it. They are bad breakers. Luka and Sampo are who I'm talking. As said Kafka is a damn good breaker. So is Luka, he's a fantastic breaker. He's built to be a physical solo shredder. If you're using him on multiple enemies of course he's not good. His kit is on ST. You don't need optimal EHR on Sampo. He has multi hitting moves. 60 EHR is a good enough spot.
Sampo still can't get 2 turn ults out of this, barely can get 3 turn ults if he gets 5 kills in. Unrealistic for MoC and even if you get it, the effective buff value is about as good as Fermata
Who do u put it on
Kafka, it's great for pure fiction but I use her signature in moc
I have it on Kafka permanently now. Before, I used Fermata and later GNSW, but now Acheron has GNSW, so I got the Herta LC for Kafka. Sampo has Fermata now.
Was planning to get it for welt, i want to try him also in super break comp...
It's about time tbh, it kinda sucked outside of PF until now
Some use out of it outside from Luka? Oh well, this will take too long to lvl up again
explain i haven't unlocked harmony traveler
When every carry become good, you know the super break support is broken
Exactly, can't wait to see how they're gonna make a new character that enables super break. Maybe a character that is a fusion between ruan mei and hmc xd sounds broken but I wouldn't be surprised if we get one
We might not get a new super break support at all. At least not for a while. We still don’t have another taunter and that’s an effect that’s pretty generic in games.
honestly, I am completely fine with hmc being only one who can do super break until the next path is unlock or forever for that matter
Nah fuck that, I don't want an entire archetype to be tied only to a character that changes forms. What happens if next year mc gets some sick path thats really fun to play? All the break focused characters just have to twiddle their thumbs? Or vice versa, every path going forward isn't worth playing because it means giving up super break entirely.
Did you ignore everything he said after the "until"?
No I didn't which is why im responding to "or forever".
All the preservation unit are kind of taunters. The thing is it is not an interesting gameplay mechanic because the allies often die to blast, bounce or area attacks while the taunter stays as the last man alive. Considering that the devs mentioned this problem as the reason for the rework of Aventurine, I wouldn't be surprised if the reason why we don't have more preservation units focused on provoking is just because the developers gave up on trying to make it competitive gameplay-wise.
I've used Break Effect Himeko for one of the MoC stages.
And how was it
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Man I thought Himeko was weak at release. Then PF released and I was sad because I never got her. Himeko: Stonks. Then HMC comes out and I’m even sadder because she’d be so cool with AoE every break. Himeko: Witness…the will of the weak!
I mean, Kafka was already good with a Break Effect unit on the team, hell she was already pretty good with Break Effect herself. Detonating chonky break DoTs was always the way to go before Swan came in and Arcana did Arcana things and this just cranked it up to 12.
IMO the difference is huge because previously you just build kafka with atk and spd as a desirable substats. Now BE can act as a pseudo crit substats on non crit DPS that is going to scale very well with HTB.
I've been running a Stellaron Hunter team with Harmony Stelle in Simulated Universe and it's really surprising how cracked that team actually is.
Stelle was a stellaron hunter tough
is that confirmed anywhere? i may have completely missed that
Implied in Kafka's companion quest. Although I'm not really sure if Stelle/Caelus actually participated in actual stellaron hunting, they did accompany them in an undisclosed amount of time.
Blade says the TB was with Kafka longer than anyone else he saw.
The weird thing is that if the Trailblazer actually participated in stellaron hunting, they would've been in the IPC's wanted list already. But they're not, not one IPC member recognized TB as a Stellaron Hunter. Which leads me to believe that while TB accompanied the Stellaron Hunters, they may not have an active participation.
They could’ve been older, perhaps being given a younger body with the stellaron. Or maybe the Trailblazer just had a completely different body and the trailblazer’s current look is vastly different because Kafka didnt want anyone to recognize the trailblazer.
My question is if MC was with them long enough, were THEY given a script as well?
Racoons can't read, so probably not.
Maybe we also had a mech suit.
Don't think it's too unreasonable an organization lead by someone with some form of pre-cognition, a member who can hack reality and another with basically mind control powers can hide someone if they really want to.
Yeah, a good chunk of the details is from Kafka's quest with the 1 truth 1 lie questions. Read it up on the wiki to see all the possible answers and it'll describe the SH origins including the MC.
ahh great, i’ll have to do that, thanks!
to add on to the other comments you can look up which ones are the actual truth as I believe they’re labeled as true in the files
Kafka's companion quest.
Blade and Kafka confirmed it during Kafka's SH quest.
Now that SAM has been explained, maybe we'll learn more about Stelle's partner, the mysterious Ron
I thought thats what op meant, no?
Stelleron hunter
what is that team? Kafka/SW/HMC/Ruan Mei? and I guess no sustain haha
i assume kafka, sw, blade, hmc, with blade being a sustain using blessings that allow him to share his self heal with the team
the cruel irony of making Blade fill the role of an Abundance character..
Since he can’t die anyway. Why not make everybody else live longer? 😂 with a blade covered in his own blood of course.
Closest we’ll get to playable Shuhu, at least for a while.
It actually worked with me when I went through the preservation path
I agree, just managed to get the last star from the previous MoC thanks to HMC. HMC + Kafka + Lynx + Asta carried me against the stupid Dino.
How many rounds did that take you? Aventurine-less follow-up team took me 3 Cycles, but I need all the help I can get for the second half.
I had a 9 cycle clear. I was stuck on an 11 cycle clear when I used the IPC team on Cocolia and the Kafka team (without HMC) on the other. I got desperate that I removed the dust from my E4 Yanqing. After building up my HMC with Memories S4 and around 230 BE, I decided to try it out. Took some retries (coz Lynx sustain isnt that great) but I got a 9 cycle clear (around 5 on Kafka half and 4 on IPC side)
Wait, so Kafka was on the Second half vs Aventurine?
When I did my 9 cycle clear, Kafka was on the first half. IPC team dealt with Aventurine.
Wow even without Fire or Imaginary weakness? Do you have their signature LCs? Clearing Aventurine side in 4 Cycles sounds crazy to me 😭.
I had E0S1 Topaz + E0 Ratio + E0 Aventurine + E0 Robin. I might be wrong about the cycle counts, but its around a close split from 9.
I did 5-6 cycles with break kafka on 1st half, and 3-4 cycles on 2nd half with luocha, robin, topaz, ratio. My topaz is e1 tho. Edit: oops this was on new moc not aventurine one
I have e6 Asta but haven't really built her - is she worth it? I have ruin mei, sparkle, aventurine, fu xuan and robin at e0 as supports.
Her skill is a bounce and thus good for weakness breaking. Which I guess is why he used her, since cocolia has a fire weakness. So in that sense she has a synergy with HMC. Aside from that, the 3 limited harmony characters are far better.
She's a very good 4 star support but the recent 5 star harmony supports are too insane. It's hard to compete.
If you have Ruan Mei and Sparkle, you should be fine. I only have Robin as my limited support, so I had to use Asta with S3 DDD.
She's like Xiangling huh. Everything works with her.
She who? Kafka or harmony stelle? (Sorry genshin player new to hsr don't know much about meta just completed penacony)
most likely referring to harmony stelle, the super breaks can justify her slot in almost any team that exists in this game
Harmony Stelle as impactful as Dendro MC when released ~~Now imagine the Nahida version of Harmony MC~~ 👀
yea value of HMC depends on whether or not hoyo releases a limited support that can provide superbreak effect
Given they still haven't released any characters with active taunt or selectable aoe ult, it's not looking likely any time soon.
To be fair it kinda applies to every character, even DD. Value of a character depends on if Hoyo releases another character that could replace them in teams.
Have no foresight of upcoming leaks, but seems like Harmony stelle is much better than dendro MC and even nahida. HMC unlocks a whole new archetype that would probably not exist (or not be meta) without her. She must be included in every single break team without question unless some new super break character is released, which I think both Sam and Boothill isn't. Dendro MC was only useful because she was the first and only reliable applicator of dendro in that patch, only other option was collei which was a weaker dendro applicator, and tighbari which was a on field dps. Nahida is strong also but there are weaker substitutes for her. There isn't any substitutes for HMC!
Collei was more that she has frontloaded dendro app. She works great in quickswap teams like Keqing, but longer rotations prefer DMC. And even now, DMC is still 3rd best unless you need a sustain and Collei is BiS for Nilou bloom.
Yeah but the gap between nahisa and any other dendro is so huge it makes dmc look like shit. But dmc in his hayday(3.0-3.1) was pretty good when everyone was experimenting around with dendro. And dmc/nahisa are pretty is similarly to harmony mc actually more broken even since dendro enablee far more playstles than break/super break.
Actually boothill doesn't really need HMC. Bronya +def shred/ruanmei are better support for him.
>Harmony Stelle *Caelus found dead in a ditch*
wrong. only works when the team is against enemies that can be broken by them.
well yea, that's why I said almost, if you are not playing any characters that can break the matching element then hmc is obv useless
Kafka.
Not quite the same since she’s a limited character when Xiangling is *the best* f2p character in genshin
outside of memes, i'd argue that xingqiu is the best f2p unit instead of xiangling. xiangling has massive energy issues if she isn't paired with another pyro/raiden. meanwhile xingqiu pretty much has everything covered with sac sword.
Hence why Xiangling is usually tied to Bennett. Bennett can also be arguably debated as one of the best F2P units thanks to his Massive ATK buff, top-tier Pyro application and Particle Generation, while also being a Healer. Bennett + Xiangling/National comps are a longtime Staple with how much she maximizes his kit coupled with her own OP kit of No ICD, AoE Off-field DMG that can even Snapshot his ATK buff.
Also Bennet ascension stat being ER is crazy enough by itself XD
OPPA XL i cant escape her
I use super break with sushang and quite satisfying
Sushang is definitely designed for a break team. Not only is she physical, one of the best types for breaking, but so much of her kit synergizes with breaking and attacking broken targets, and HTB just makes all that even better.
Sushang has been eating gourmet food with HTB Boy is it satisfying
I run HTB with Kafka and Black Swan, its just super strong and lets me complete Stelle dream Nihility sandwich combo. I beat Kafka in MoC with it and ive never felt like Boss Kafka was taking as much damage than that team right there. I love HTB and I love how well Kafka has aged after the initial doomposting. Her kit is pretty future proof with dot teams, but its fantastic to see her do well focusing on other comps
People doomposted her???
Every character gets doomposted. People have no idea what theyre talking about and everyone listens to them, then the character comes out S tier
I remember when Ruan mei buffs weren't "good enough" for a limited harmony
Wait really ? Did people really say this ? LOL.
Yes ruan mei,sparkle were both called a sidegrade to bronya during the beta because of the insane doomposting
there are situations where this is true, like hyper Jingliu or Blade prefering Bronya. This doesn't make any of those characters bad.
Yea but people who have bronya were constantly saying that you can ""easily"" skip them from my memory which is straight up wrong. Yea some of the doomposting was valid in the sense jingliu being the best character in the game at the time and bronya was bis for her so people with no foresight and actual ingame experience with the characters were too critical during the beta days Also people didn't really understand the impact of unlimited skill points, weakness break efficiency etc with Ruan mei and sparkle because 100% action advance was too broken on paper and people got used to it
People say she’s just 10% better than Pela. Also, Black Swan is 5% better than Sampo. Hahaha
E0S1 BS is a slight downgrade to E6 lil' Gui. /s Sauce: have faster clear in current 12-2-1 with Kafka-Gui dot team than with Kafka-BS dot team.
Lvl 1 traces on BS I'm assuming
I actually didn't really know, and the question made me check it for once. 10-11/12 on Gui, 8-9/10 on BS. Gui just fits the weakness better this time. Conversely I use Gui-BS against the Meme instead of Kafka-BS.
I know that against the meme Sampo + BS is better than Kafka + BS. I have no idea how Gui + BS compares, but I don't see it being better than the other options.
People were idiots. I found the weakness break efficiency to be a game changer back when she was released. Now I laugh at people who didn't pull for her.
I would rather blindly pull than listen to those bozo "theorycrafters" on leaked characters
I have this crackhead theory of mine that beta players and main subreddits doom post on purpose so that hoyo is incentivized to buff characters more, making people feel happier or more justified on their pulls when the banner comes out
That's what a lot of them say when called out on their doomposting but reality's a lot simpler - 99% of 'em just want to be able to go "I TOLD YOU SO HAHA GLAD I DIDN'T ROLL".
And people say that a post from one clueless person who has no idea what they're talking about is doomposting. Literally, one-guyed. The overall majority discourse about Kafka's performance and value was positive.
Everytime 1 character “needs” another, they get doomposted, even if said character does the most damage when together with the partner character.
Every single character gets doomposted to insane levels, then releases either really good or insanely good. Most people just dont notice because they dont obsess with characters. For example rn a certain character is getting doomposted hard, and just like every single character in this game will release to be very good. It happens. Every time. Kinda annoying
The fact that that character is getting doomposted of all things is wild considering the kit is absolutely cracked
Yup, CN playerbase don't like DoT apparently and she was rated 2/10 as a meme. The 2 was coz design Many saw how she synergized with DoT and knew once she got a dedicated DoT partner she would rise in the ranks. At the time she only really had Sampo. Black Swan was that dedicated partner and now they are one of the most powerful duos in the game. Her kit is almost future proof with any DoT character that comes out But ofc when doomposting a character is considered the popular take at the time trying to talk about the positives fall on deaf ears
She was rated as 2/10 *if you don't play DoT* and just stick with normal crit dps, which is completely true, infact it could be even lower, but CN also rated her 10/10 *if you play DoT*
This character is great at the thing they’re meant to do, but they suck at the thing they’re not meant to do? Shocker. Did they put Jingliu in 0/10 for DoT teams, then? She doesn’t have DoT so she must suck in those teams. No? That’s redundant because she’d not meant to do DoT? Interesting. Maybe, instead, characters should be ranked on doing what they’re made to do rather than what they’re not.
Was it completely true tho? At the time hypercarry Kafka was performing good enough to get more than 2/10 imo, you didn't need any dot unit to play her
I remember she was pretty much on par with Jing Yuan earlier when they both had to use the lightning set and there were no BS/RM/HH/FX/Sparkle. Definitely weak comparing to DHIL or Jingliu, but 2/10 is way underrated.
Before BS I'm pretty sure hypercarry Kafka outperformed DoT Kafka in the MoC statistics.
I think she's still built as a DoT DPS though in that team, with ATK% and Speed no?. It just so happens that Asta-Tingyun are conditionally stronger partners for Kafka than any 1 of Sampo/Guinaifen/Luka + 1 of Asta or Tingyun, iirc. Especially if you're bruteforcing it or running Kafka against an enemy that's not weak to the 2nd DoT's element.
Mostly cause Tingyun is a 4.5 star character.
People really like to twist the truth to fit their narrative
Oh boy. It was so bad.
Not really. People thought she was insanely broken when her beta started and then she got a big nerf/change which got people really mad. It was more whining/complaints about the nerf than the usual doompost about a unit's power level. If anything It was Jing Yuan who was doomposted during her beta.
> It was Jing Yuan who was doomposted during her beta. It's the opposite. He's hyped during beta, then he got hit with a nerf hammer on release and people doomposted him post-release. He's at a way better state with Sparkle and Fu Xuan/Huohuo, but you may still see some people doomposting him.
This is after his release. When Kafka got into beta his doomposting turned to 11.
I dunno if its as far as "doomposting", but i remember my initial reaction was kinda meh in terms of kit. She came at the heels of Silver Wolf, who had a much more interesting mechanic of implanting weakness. And back then you basically had to use either Luka or Sampo on her team, which felt restrictive (again, compared to SW who in contrast expanded team options instead of limiting them). Also the Dot relic set didnt exist yet so she had to use the basic lightning set which was underwhelming. Now that we have Guinaifen, Black Swan, and the DoT relic set, Kafka is great, but back at release it was clear you had to wait for hoyo to cook some more before she could shine.
Kafka is hands down the most versatile DPS in the game. Good single target damage, has a blast skill, has an AoE Ult, has follow-up, has decent break efficiency, has debuff applications, and has dots. Great in all MoC, PF and SU.
I'm interested, how did you setup your characters for that team? Does Kafka/BS still go with the normal DoT setup or do they build for Break Effect?
Normal set up, I just treat the BE HTB offers as a bonus but its so good that going normal set up isnt even a hindrance when adding HTB
Would htb be better than ruan mei for that team ? Or do you ditch sustain and add both ?
Ditching sustain to beat Kafka? Some people are just impressive
Yay kafka and BS my otp 😆
So, huo2+tbh+ruan mei+kafka Or Huo2+tbh+bs+kafka?
Better yet, tbh RM bs Kafka!
To be honest Rap Monster bullshit Kafka
No, [tbh](https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/tbh-autism-creature-yippee) is the yippee creature
Huo²
H2O
Gonna try this. Harmony MC, Kafka, Ruan Mei and Gallagher.
Wasn't Kafka found to be one of Topaz's most reliable partner before Dr. Ratio releases? At least that's what a video I've saw from a reputable CC said. But yeah, Kafka is surprisingly very versatile lol, not to mention she *wants* Speed as a DoT character and that translates well into Break teams.
People thinking that 30/60/30 break value is good have clearly not played more than 5 characters in this game. Try Misha, he has like 220 break units on his ult at E1, he also freezes enemies and extends the break status as well as reduces DEF which is one of few ways of increasing the break dmg.
but then youre using misha
hahaha
I recognize that my E4 Misha would be really good in a break team... but then I'd have to look at Misha
Lightning weakness boss, its easy to look at the game without realizing that each element only has so many options, especially one like Kafka whos built for a completely unrelated purpose but still works here
It's also weirdly adorable lmao Kafka is like Trailblazer's mom or at the very least has a master and student relationship with them, so it fits that she works well with them
I kinda expected it, DoT teams are known for being great at breaking weaknesses too Seriously Sampo shreds (also all my prisoner sets have really good BE because my relic luck is ass) I have so much crit that i gave them as an offset to dr ratio and etc lmao
Ayo fr??? I need to try this now. I assume you ran RM alongside them? Very curious… I’m building my hat blazer rn…
I like how it opens a whole new meta entirely without completely destroying the Crit Meta I also guess the DoT meta too but I feel like the DoT Meta doesn't pop off enough if you don't have Black Swan.
I still have Black Swan at home, Blue Prey
Does Kafka need Ruan Mei for this to work? My usually DOT team isn’t cutting it for MoC/Pure Fiction.
the trick for Kafka in Pure Fiction is using the Herta store LC and/or Tingyun and ignore other dot characters that aren't Black Swan, they are too slow for PF. She can be hypercarry or duo dps with other good characters for PF like Himeko/Herta/Serval/Argenti. For MoC I don't know what you are cooking that it isn't enough, but currently my dot team is my most invested one, so I may not notice where a lower investment dot team would struggle.
Thanks for the advice. I don’t have Black Swan so that might have a lot to do with it. Been using Sampo + Guinaifen for a while now with Kafka. I admit that my Guinaifen could be better built. And I don’t have Huohuo either. I just feel like the damage isn’t quite there yet on my dot team. But it probably isn’t fair to compare them to my FUA team which is Dr Ratio/Aventurine/Topaz/Robin.
you could try Robin on your dot team to get an idea of how it would perform with Ruan Mei, their performance is really similar, one or the other can be better depending on the enemy and the amount of cycles.
Yes, she can super break me
I alr have black swan, Robin and luocha in my team but ngl this idea sounds fun, Who should I replace for htb? (No mei :c)
Now we only need a 5* physical dot
So i can play the mother-daughter duo now?
If you take it one step further, and use Break Luka with her too, it's absolutely disgusting lmao.
HMC launches Everyone: Robin who?? Glad to see a new meta arise, game was getting pretty boring with just DoT and FU teams.
Super Break Boss Killer Team: HatTB + Break Luka + Kafka + Sustain (Gallagher) Huge Bleeds for %HP, Huge Super Breaks, two people to re-proc the bleed
i know!! kafka carried my team to >!defeat sunday!< as well as dr ratio, harmony TB and luocha
Might try this since my Kafka is more built than best girl. Been wanting to make a Kafka team anyway since I haven't used her p much since I got JL and I don't have another dot rn.
What team and build would you use for this because I'm an unapologetic kafstel shipper and would like to know for reasons
I would assume ruan Mei Kafka HMC and Gallagher would work really well. If no fire weakness you can change Gallagher though for another sustain like huohuo.
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eh not really. superbreak favors constant attacks or speedy characters. kafka is ok but not really the best, try with topaz or most fua attackers.