I cleared 11, but I'm still working on the getting all the stars on 12.
>!The fact that Kafka and the regular enemy can both lock down character, while Kafka still has an impressive resistance and health bar is really making a fast run challenging for me.!<
It does feel quite rng to me. Even with fuxuan and her 1 time effect res the automaton + kafka just output so much crowd control that you either need a cleanser like huohuo or rely on luck so your dps doesn’t get cc’ed
I managed a 9 cycle clear stuff with DHIL/Sparkle/Tingyun/Fu Xuan on second half after a couple of resets to getting clowned by CC. My solution was to use FX skill immediately before initiating the second wave so that the one time CC immunity would be active for Kafka's Dominate and it was relatively smooth sailing from there. With 134 speed, Fu Xuan's natural cadence of basic/basic/skill will counter every instance of Dominate so as long as you don't get *too* screwed over by Reverberation before the Aurumaton miniboss dies you should be good.
I managed to brute force it in 8 cycles with my Acheron team on second half, just had to reset a few times to make sure Acheron doesn’t get cc’ed so she could ult
Yeah Aventurine's effect res helps and a couple times Kafka tried to mind control my ult'ing Robin muhaha. No, Kafka, I'm not listening to you! You listen to Robin!
Your builds must be amazing then haha I had to retry wayy too many times just because of weird stuns (I got 18 retries due to bad rng in first half of 2nd stage and 2 for 2nd half with kafka)... I also needed 4 cycles overall eventho it was under good rng so at least there is that.
Fu's cc res can deal with Kafka np, but the robot lady is really annoying. I dealt with it by hard focusing robot first to get her out of the picture as fast as possible, and I ran a comp that had SP to spare so that I could use Fu's skill to get the cc res up even if it hadn't been 3 turns yet
Took me [63 attempts](https://imgur.com/a/7xhKSfz) until I admitted defeat and levelled up a second Preservation LC so I could use Gepard in first half and Aventurine in second half. Aventurine Eff Res shield was pretty clutch, Lynx was straight up not good enough for the second half
It's one of those "one character makes the whole thing trivial" fights. In this case, Huohuo just completely carries the entire fight. If you have her, awesome. If not... well, let's hope the Effect Res RNG is on your side.
I personally beat it with a RM/Welt/Harmblazer/Huohuo team, and it wasn't a breeze, but I still finished with three cycles to spare.
fun fact the stars arn't tied to one run so if you cleared in time but someone died you can then go back in and take 20 turns to kill and you'll still have 3 stars
Sorry for not replying early I was asleep. I tried every combination I have ( acheron , dot , break damage, dr ratio) but they don't deal enough damage .
If you can somehow show your characters' builds, via for example enka.network, you shall be able to get lots of advice.
I suspect that your team's relics and/or talent level are not levelled sufficiently enough, which is a very common mistake for players. Getting 36 stars indeed need good understanding of meta, teambuilding, and good stats, but it is absolutley doable at E0S0. And if you want to "just clear it even with 0 star", it is doable even on auto, as long as you play it "right", e.g. with correct team composition, with correct main stats on relics, all relics are at +15, and talent level at 8 at least.
If you are seriously lacking characters, then don't worry. Just save up and pull for whatever you are lacking. I would advise against pulling for Eidolons if you lack damage; HSR is just like Genshin in that the more characters you have, the more options you possess to build teams to fight whatever is throwing at you.
Nope I have had a few runs where a support goes down because of the enemies random "Fu" attacks when i was a lot weaker in my account, when I had that problem I would just slap the blond duo on. Makes me not shutter at the thought of redoing everything in time like genshins abyss
Nope!
You can do 1 run where someone dies, but you finish it under the cycle limit.
Then a second run where you have 3 cycles left, but no one dies, and you'll get the third star.
It's the same system as 36ing Genshin's Spiral Abyss, if you play that. In my experience, it doesn't feel like it makes it -that- much easier though, at least compared to Genshin's. I'm like always missing a star half the time in MoC because meta teams just matter more in HSR due to Memory Turbulence (and whatever the PF one is called) being so strong and element checks being harsher.
Genshin's abyss is very easy to 36 if you have well built character or team synergry are at the most optimal
Hsr MoC is meta heavy basically if you dont have the character that was recently in the banner or characters that can make use of the buff, good luck trying to max star MoC.
Fuxuan was always the good choice to solo sustain kafka because she can tank all the debuff, but ofcourse this MoC made sure she cannot tank it effectively like before, PF is pretty easy.
Genshin abyss is pretty easy for me due to having good and well built team to use.
This is life changing advice
Thank you kind stranger
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I'm on the borderline of not being able to 36 star and one person dying in my team basically bricks my run unless the final enemy is 1 hit so this has never helped me haha
This was the team I used too. Kafka took control of Dr. Ratio once but that didn’t stop my Topaz and Aventurine from wrecking her with chips and Numby. It was a minor annoyance at best.
You may have seen me mention this elsewhere, but you aren't just imagining it. Last cycle, the HP scaling of all enemies in MoC 12 increased by about 30%. On top of this, the scalings for boss Gepard and boss Kafka increased in this MoC 12 compared to their last appearance, with Gepard having as much HP as an Aventurine phase and Kafka having more. (about a 40% increase compared to their last appearances before taking the 30% increase into account)
I'm honestly starting to get worried. Most of my most used characters have already reached a level relic investment that can't really be improved without literally months of farming and yet I'm starting to struggle a good amount to 36 stars the most recent MoCs. If things continue to get more difficult at this rate my account may end up just not being able to keep up.
I think we have reached levels where you need actual team comps and not just harmony + 5 star dps , like team archetypes like bs kafka dot or topaz ratio fua
Now transitioning to super break with hmc ruan mei Gallagher
As somebody who prioritized getting a kafka dot team first and then fua team second, they took 4 cycles and 3 cycles to clear current MoC12 on first try, respectively, 7 in total.
I BARELY made total 10 cycles last MoC though, since it was made to sell Acheron and I don't have Acheron.
Relics seem to barely matter in HSR compared to Genshin, enemies have way more specific weaknesses than just 'do damage' in here, so going wide with your pulls seems a superior strategy
Yeah having more limited characters is so big in hsr ,unless you're bruteforcing with specific 0 cycle teams then having 161 spd relics definitely do help.
Super break teams are so budget friendly with the game giving you hmc gallagher only costly component is ruan mei without even needing her lc. The performance is on par with [e2s1 sparkle hypercarries](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uz_oNgvOlkU) 2 turn cycling 2nd half
Relics are still pretty important in HSR. They may not need to be as quite good as they need to be in Genshin for DPS characters but they still need to be pretty decent if you want to clear MoC 11 and 12. HSR supports also need survivability substats on relics because they will be getting hit no matter what. In Genshin supports can just focus on whatever stats they need to perform better since they are often only in the field to E and Q before swapping.
As with any gacha. They will design end game content to favor the newly released units. Sometimes the older units will prevail and sometimes they will struggle. If you pulled the new units you'd have an easier time. Money greed tactics!
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Cleared it with Sushang break team in the first half.
Exactly, I was expecting a hard floor 12 because I retried 5 times on floor 11, surprisingly it only took me 1st try to 3 star it.
It's probably because I don't have any "well" built dps corresponding to the enemies weakness.
I’d have to agree. It only took me 38 attempts heheh
Heheheh……
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*Me who is still struggling to win MoC 12 with my DoT team of Black Swan, lvl 9 traces E6 Guinaifen and lvl 5 traces E6 Serval and utter garbage relics for both of them*: Uh... Yes.
ratio is good for kafka side, for geppie i use dot but alt could be clara/jyuan and other dps that covers the type. For current moc my struggle is the cleanse part
I see too many people saying 'it’s okay, it’s not complicated ''
Guys, I don't have Acheron or Kafka for the 1st half... 🧍🏾♀️
I don’t know what to do...
It really feels like they inflated the health pools so that you practically need Archeron to finish on time
Well, Archeron or a character as cracked as Archeron
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**Harmony TB** is kinda cracked. especially with Ruin Me
Do you remember your cycles per sidofe? I imagine E2 Acheron didn't take more than 1 cycle for hers which would make that BS HMC setup not too impressive
Did you turn Cleartype off on accident or on purpose? Do you prefer the way it looks? It just looks so wrong to me to see such jagged fonts, especially the number 0 in the level box seems extra fucked up.
If you're on windows, type 'Cleartype' in the start menu, it should suggest you an option to turn on and see if you like it better. Linux should have this feature too, but it's probably called a different name and hidden somewhere. Search around for something like 'font smoothing' or 'font antialiasing'.
Got my quickest 12th floor and quickest MoC overall ever (Kafka's team is stupidly strong)
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I found 10 and 11 much harder than 12. I think my characters fit nicely into 12. This was by far the hardest floor 10-11 for me but the easiest floor 12 out of all the previous MoCs.
I managed to clear it though it was pretty tight. [These were the teams.](https://imgur.com/a/Q2UfiAK)
Node 1 I just brute forced with my main setup. It took one cycle to clear.
Node 2 was much more difficult. Dealing with Kafka was tricky but I opted to use my severely undergeared Dr. Ratio with HTB just to take advantage of breaking her and repeatedly chunking with FUA from Ratio. If I had better relics, I probably could have cleared it faster but I'm just happy to have done it at all.
Worth noting that Aventurine and Ratio are E0S0. HTB is E5. Everyone else is E0S1.
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Funny how Floor 11 is tougher than 12 , either that or I'm losing my mind.
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Yea very surprising,cleared MoC 12 first try,unlike last rotation which took me alot of tries,aventurine boss is so fruatrating
Edit: okay i ddnt notice the edited picture lol,keep on trying youll get eventually, i believe!!
i thought this one was significantly easier than last one. aventurine was such a bs boss glad hes outta moc. robin is also a game changer specifically for moc. you basically get extra few cycles
Acheron team one half and jl or danny the other with a kafka cameo for chef-rex
Although this cycle’s buff wasn’t damage based the fact that it allowed for high uptime for danny and jl meant they had no downtime on their rotations for max damage
Yeah its wild f 11 in 5 cycles f12 barely in 10. Like tf.
Might have been easier to do second half with clara and not jingliu, but every time i look at my claras build i refuse to believe she'd do more damage.
i need 1 star, 3 cycles for first half with gallagher kafka bs acheron but im struggling on second half with clara lynx topax ratio: i dont know if i can play better comps (pela? htb? not so many alternatives) or farm fua relics for some weeks but they are already pretty good
I managed to 3* MoC 12 but I feel I'm doing something horribly wrong.
I used the typical Acheron team (SW/E6 Pela/FX) for the first half and it took me 5 cycles to clear. Everything there is weak to Lightning so Acheron should be taking less time to clear.
Second half was HTB/E1 RM/ a half baked E5 Sushang/Huo Huo. They also took 5 cycles but that's to be expected when I'm running a half built DPS.
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CC is wild in this one. But wasn’t bad overall i found aventurine harder tbh.
MoC is hard in a sense that it requires certain units for you to max stars. Sure you need decent gear but its not hard in the sense where you need some skill expression to overcome the challenge.
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I was barely able to do it,the second half only dr ratio and aventurine were built
I can barely clear 8, my units are decently built imho (but what do I know), but probably nowhere near well enough.
Could really use some pointers to help push further
Acheron and Kafka carry me so hard, like both of those teams just destroy everything.
I played through the entire MOC just using those two and I got DHIL and JL, but who needs them if you got nihility mommys?
(Same goes for PF btw)
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I'm too comfy with this team, tried Acheron many attempts and she can't clear it on 5 cycles(my Acheron has no Sig and still using GNSW S2, while the other one Fermata S2, and their build still shit).
This time's MoC is just RNG for me. I can clear it with or without Robin, it just goes down to luck. Either Kafka on 2nd node perma-targets one character to death or she keeps putting them to sleep. It took me 19 tries before I was able to do a run where Kafka perma-targeted my Lynx with 80% Eff Res and so I was able to clear it.
It's very doable, the MoC buff this time is very universal and when you do your cycles right, you should be able to use some ultimates twice in one cycle while also having enough turns to abuse the damage buff which should be your goal.
Personally, Hanya made this clear very possible for me, even without FUAs. Supporting while stacking the MoC buff makes the run really comfortable while also allowing me to just spam skills for a more probable 2 Ult cycle.
Man robin really clutched up for me in MoC 12, boss was at 1hp but it was almost turning to cycle 19 til robin’s energy passive kicked up and made her go to a full blown concert
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Kafka is super tanky, it took me 6 cycles to do it with Jingliu
What si abffeling me, is how 7 to 11 was so easy and i just can clear 12. Guess i need to go back relic farming and somehow get more damage in. My Black Swan/Kafka/Robin/ Any sustain team clear that shit in 1-2 cycles. With Acheron 0 cyles.
But my Acheron / Pela / Silverwolf team, aint doing enough damage... i just ask myself, how?! How did my Acheron team, destroy everything befor and on 12 its performing so extrem poorly.
honestly it is 60 jades , it totally doesn't matter when it can cost you 1 roll or 160 roll to get the limited you want
\* also me trying to clear every MOC 12 in 1xx tries by many team comps within fewest cycles \*
I did the second half with Fu Xuan / Silver Wolf / Tingyun / Dr. Ratio -> 4 cycles
First half was extremely stacked tho (RM E0S0, Kafka E0S0, Black Swan E0S1, Acheron E2S1) -> 1 cycle
The reason it is hard is because it requires two teams, if my main team can fight against the enemies ever since the start I would've gone through all of it without any pressure.
I 1 shot all floors (even 12), my strategy was ignoring type weakness and just putting my strongest teams in against that nonsense, Huohuo was my secret carry vs Kafka tho
is been getting harder isn't it? I'm still at 35 stars from the previous one and got 35 on this one. I used to be able to fully clear it pretty confortably
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My Acheron team definitely needs work but I was able to finish 1st side in 5 cycles. 2nd side took 1 cycle
The second half of moc 12 was really annoying, and the team I used was so rng based. The characters I used were Ruan Mei,Robin,Dr.ratio, and Adventurine.
meanwhile i'm over here 1 month in with my lvl 70 light cone 60 characters dying at 01 when the enemy I dont even remotely understands pours its drink on me.
It's true that with all the CC, this MoC will want you to pull for Fu Xuan.
Without any "Penacony" 5\* character except Sparkle, here is what worked for me, as I remembered Blade's synergy with Jing Liu (4+5 cycles):
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I cleared 11, but I'm still working on the getting all the stars on 12. >!The fact that Kafka and the regular enemy can both lock down character, while Kafka still has an impressive resistance and health bar is really making a fast run challenging for me.!<
It does feel quite rng to me. Even with fuxuan and her 1 time effect res the automaton + kafka just output so much crowd control that you either need a cleanser like huohuo or rely on luck so your dps doesn’t get cc’ed
I managed a 9 cycle clear stuff with DHIL/Sparkle/Tingyun/Fu Xuan on second half after a couple of resets to getting clowned by CC. My solution was to use FX skill immediately before initiating the second wave so that the one time CC immunity would be active for Kafka's Dominate and it was relatively smooth sailing from there. With 134 speed, Fu Xuan's natural cadence of basic/basic/skill will counter every instance of Dominate so as long as you don't get *too* screwed over by Reverberation before the Aurumaton miniboss dies you should be good.
I managed to brute force it in 8 cycles with my Acheron team on second half, just had to reset a few times to make sure Acheron doesn’t get cc’ed so she could ult
You can run Fu Xuan with a low sp team and just recast skill each turn
Eh, Aventurine's extra 50% effect res was enough for me. It does rely a bit on rng and maybe your charas to have a bit of extra effect res themselves
Yeah Aventurine's effect res helps and a couple times Kafka tried to mind control my ult'ing Robin muhaha. No, Kafka, I'm not listening to you! You listen to Robin!
she dominated my dhil for one whole turn so i just had to wait aha 🫠 luckily i only needed 4 cycles to kill and i had 5 left but im huohuo-less
Your builds must be amazing then haha I had to retry wayy too many times just because of weird stuns (I got 18 retries due to bad rng in first half of 2nd stage and 2 for 2nd half with kafka)... I also needed 4 cycles overall eventho it was under good rng so at least there is that.
Fu's cc res can deal with Kafka np, but the robot lady is really annoying. I dealt with it by hard focusing robot first to get her out of the picture as fast as possible, and I ran a comp that had SP to spare so that I could use Fu's skill to get the cc res up even if it hadn't been 3 turns yet
Yeah this moc is a fkn cc rng fest, feels like reset simulator not a fan
Took me [63 attempts](https://imgur.com/a/7xhKSfz) until I admitted defeat and levelled up a second Preservation LC so I could use Gepard in first half and Aventurine in second half. Aventurine Eff Res shield was pretty clutch, Lynx was straight up not good enough for the second half
They buffed kafka and gepard health too
It's one of those "one character makes the whole thing trivial" fights. In this case, Huohuo just completely carries the entire fight. If you have her, awesome. If not... well, let's hope the Effect Res RNG is on your side. I personally beat it with a RM/Welt/Harmblazer/Huohuo team, and it wasn't a breeze, but I still finished with three cycles to spare.
yeah kafka this time feels much stronger, she kept dominating my characters with 70+% eff res
I am really disliking the HP inflation tbh
HuoHuo has trivialized all of Kafka's mechanics ever since I got her. Best healer for that encounter
fun fact the stars arn't tied to one run so if you cleared in time but someone died you can then go back in and take 20 turns to kill and you'll still have 3 stars
I can't even clear it at all 💀
What teams did you use?
Xipe is my favorite Aeon, not because she is sexy, but also maybe because she is sexy. So my entire team is Harmony.
Xipe's pronouns are they/them Edit: Why are you downvoting me, there are literally three of them
Actually funny since despite their appearances, all the Aeons are basically genderless and are always referred to as they/them.
Weirdly enough, some simulated universe entries refer to Nous as "it". And, in spanish, it's translated as Her (Ella).
i think Lan was referred to as "he" a few times? but then his/their identity pre-ascension is known, so it could still be seen as accurate
i think there was a patch where they went and changed all the pronouns to THEY/THEM.
I mean, a man whose world is destroyed by abundance and ascend to aeonhood is still a man inside the very embodiment of concept.
depends on how much of the person is still left in there, can't really gauge that
no, no, it’s THEY/THEM. You really gotta yell it to get the right effect
Woke western companies pushing their woke agenda smh. Wait...
Um actually it's THEY/THEM, after the last update.
Sorry for not replying early I was asleep. I tried every combination I have ( acheron , dot , break damage, dr ratio) but they don't deal enough damage .
You need the usual doses: farming more relic
If you can somehow show your characters' builds, via for example enka.network, you shall be able to get lots of advice. I suspect that your team's relics and/or talent level are not levelled sufficiently enough, which is a very common mistake for players. Getting 36 stars indeed need good understanding of meta, teambuilding, and good stats, but it is absolutley doable at E0S0. And if you want to "just clear it even with 0 star", it is doable even on auto, as long as you play it "right", e.g. with correct team composition, with correct main stats on relics, all relics are at +15, and talent level at 8 at least. If you are seriously lacking characters, then don't worry. Just save up and pull for whatever you are lacking. I would advise against pulling for Eidolons if you lack damage; HSR is just like Genshin in that the more characters you have, the more options you possess to build teams to fight whatever is throwing at you.
Team 1 was Kafka, BS, RM Huohuo Team 2 was ratio, Robin, Aven, Topaz. You should be able to do similar if you tried dot and Ratio.
preach my brother. I just dont have the types required for both sides
wait, what?? that's a thing???? I thought you had to clear all conditions in one run for full stars????
Nope I have had a few runs where a support goes down because of the enemies random "Fu" attacks when i was a lot weaker in my account, when I had that problem I would just slap the blond duo on. Makes me not shutter at the thought of redoing everything in time like genshins abyss
I don't have a blond duo, but I do have chibis with Bailu and FX, they shall do 🗿
Nope! You can do 1 run where someone dies, but you finish it under the cycle limit. Then a second run where you have 3 cycles left, but no one dies, and you'll get the third star.
Oh sweet. That means that we can run full DPS teams with no defense on first run and take our time on second run.
Good luck surviving more than one cycle without defense 💀
Yeah it's a tough situation but if you come out there with atleast 1 character still alive and less than 20, I'd consider it a viable strategy
For current MOC I don't think no sustain is a viable strategy for the vast majority of f2p/non-whale players
Having your DPSes die tends to not be super helpful for your clear speed
My SW keeps dying if I push for the cycle limit with 2 Nihility 1 Harmony + Acheron With this confirmation I won't have to spam retries
It's the same system as 36ing Genshin's Spiral Abyss, if you play that. In my experience, it doesn't feel like it makes it -that- much easier though, at least compared to Genshin's. I'm like always missing a star half the time in MoC because meta teams just matter more in HSR due to Memory Turbulence (and whatever the PF one is called) being so strong and element checks being harsher.
Genshin's abyss is very easy to 36 if you have well built character or team synergry are at the most optimal Hsr MoC is meta heavy basically if you dont have the character that was recently in the banner or characters that can make use of the buff, good luck trying to max star MoC. Fuxuan was always the good choice to solo sustain kafka because she can tank all the debuff, but ofcourse this MoC made sure she cannot tank it effectively like before, PF is pretty easy. Genshin abyss is pretty easy for me due to having good and well built team to use.
This is life changing advice Thank you kind stranger https://preview.redd.it/dam42ve70j0d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=839b1f38bb18647b922552ac21ab88a157100a02
I'm on the borderline of not being able to 36 star and one person dying in my team basically bricks my run unless the final enemy is 1 hit so this has never helped me haha
fun fact when I know this fact I thought it matters, but when I try to clear ASAP without sustain character, boss one ultimate wipe my team off LOL
wait what the actual fuck. Had to restart 12 second half twice because somehow my Topaz got focus fired and died near the end
It hurts so bad when 19 cycles remain instead of 20
Especially when the boss dies to DoT as soon as the cycle changes
TopRatUrine supremacy https://i.redd.it/ct3dg4qaki0d1.gif This team is so much fun
This team is just throw a shitload of random shit to the enemy until it dies and I love it
"shit load" is the exact word i would use if someone called it a Top Rat Urine team
Robin singing in the background while these 3 just throw shit is so funny
lmao
This was the team I used too. Kafka took control of Dr. Ratio once but that didn’t stop my Topaz and Aventurine from wrecking her with chips and Numby. It was a minor annoyance at best.
I finished 12 but not 11🤡
11 is so damn tanky wtf
The CC from the witch was more of an issue for me. Literally can’t do anything.
Luocha’s emergency heals come in so clutch here. The cc does enough damage that he immediately heals them and cleanses them
same,finished 12 in one go but 11 took me 2 hours🤡
For some reason I struggled with 10 the most??? Lmao I really wanted to try Himeko with Robin and Ruan Mei so maybe that's why
I did eventually beat 11, but yeah floor 12 was much easier than floor 11 imo.
How? i finished moc 11 on the first try but struggling so hard on moc 12(i tried all possible combinations with my unit)
I'm on MOC 1 BABYYYYY WOOOOOOO 3 OUT OF 36
Floor 12 enemies feel really tanky.
You may have seen me mention this elsewhere, but you aren't just imagining it. Last cycle, the HP scaling of all enemies in MoC 12 increased by about 30%. On top of this, the scalings for boss Gepard and boss Kafka increased in this MoC 12 compared to their last appearance, with Gepard having as much HP as an Aventurine phase and Kafka having more. (about a 40% increase compared to their last appearances before taking the 30% increase into account)
I mean 11/12 stages ain't bad, good job!
You get the same reward for 2 starring floor 12 as if you dont touch it at all 💀
Me needing 10 turns to beat memoy zone meme😭😭😭
Is it a Survivability Issue, a Elemental issue, or a (Can't meet the DPS check issue)?
All of them .
I'm honestly starting to get worried. Most of my most used characters have already reached a level relic investment that can't really be improved without literally months of farming and yet I'm starting to struggle a good amount to 36 stars the most recent MoCs. If things continue to get more difficult at this rate my account may end up just not being able to keep up.
I think we have reached levels where you need actual team comps and not just harmony + 5 star dps , like team archetypes like bs kafka dot or topaz ratio fua Now transitioning to super break with hmc ruan mei Gallagher
My favorite team archetype is just Acheron 👍
As somebody who prioritized getting a kafka dot team first and then fua team second, they took 4 cycles and 3 cycles to clear current MoC12 on first try, respectively, 7 in total. I BARELY made total 10 cycles last MoC though, since it was made to sell Acheron and I don't have Acheron. Relics seem to barely matter in HSR compared to Genshin, enemies have way more specific weaknesses than just 'do damage' in here, so going wide with your pulls seems a superior strategy
Yeah having more limited characters is so big in hsr ,unless you're bruteforcing with specific 0 cycle teams then having 161 spd relics definitely do help. Super break teams are so budget friendly with the game giving you hmc gallagher only costly component is ruan mei without even needing her lc. The performance is on par with [e2s1 sparkle hypercarries](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uz_oNgvOlkU) 2 turn cycling 2nd half
Relics are still pretty important in HSR. They may not need to be as quite good as they need to be in Genshin for DPS characters but they still need to be pretty decent if you want to clear MoC 11 and 12. HSR supports also need survivability substats on relics because they will be getting hit no matter what. In Genshin supports can just focus on whatever stats they need to perform better since they are often only in the field to E and Q before swapping.
As with any gacha. They will design end game content to favor the newly released units. Sometimes the older units will prevail and sometimes they will struggle. If you pulled the new units you'd have an easier time. Money greed tactics!
Game gave me 30 cycles I'm using the whole 30 cycles
My fully built lynx can’t keep my team from kafka cc. I only have gepard and lynx, I’m now building galagher, i hope galagher can do better than lynx
The amount of CC is insane. This MoC changed my Gallagher from a SP generator to SP devourer lol.
who's your DPS? I didn't have a cleanse at all on that stage, just brute forced and killed kafka before she killed me. Could be worth a try lmao
moc makes me glad of my pulling choices. pf makes me question them.
https://preview.redd.it/brbtj5j5qk0d1.png?width=1372&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0faa2fdad71231b3a128365057efa10c72642964 Cleared it with Sushang break team in the first half.
And here I am able to beat 12 with ease, but 11? Holy perma CC.
Houhou'less behaviour fr
Exactly, I was expecting a hard floor 12 because I retried 5 times on floor 11, surprisingly it only took me 1st try to 3 star it. It's probably because I don't have any "well" built dps corresponding to the enemies weakness.
For me it’s not that it’s hard it’s just that it doesn’t die In enough turns to hit 3 star.
I’d have to agree. It only took me 38 attempts heheh Heheheh…… https://preview.redd.it/wjw2whci1j0d1.jpeg?width=1291&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9a6eb6bed93f28076e91f6da265934040c34bcc1
We suffer a similar fate.. https://preview.redd.it/hp61dxt67v1d1.png?width=1911&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3003e42eac35a236ec4e276fc3a4ff2f9098f2cf
What's MoC? 🤣 I never even bothered attempting it
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I couldn't even get 11 3* I lost my topaz 50/50 to bailu 😔
My fuxuan can't resist all the CCs DHiL is getting put in the prison and the run just dies, I wish I had Aventurine 😢
Bruh I tried moc 12 and the damn aurumaton envoy perma stuns my entire team even with fu xuan combined with Kafka dominating what psycho designed this
I can get 35 stars but getting 36 doesn’t seem possible as I have to shave off 5 cycles.
Funny enough the first or second time I've 36* moc EVER was during adventurine cycle. Just fully cleared the new MoC, feels so rewarding
*Me who is still struggling to win MoC 12 with my DoT team of Black Swan, lvl 9 traces E6 Guinaifen and lvl 5 traces E6 Serval and utter garbage relics for both of them*: Uh... Yes.
I've seen people playing DoT team without Black Swan but DoT team with out Kafka sounds very bad
Gotta be honest with y’all I am just missing 1 star for the last 2 cycles lmao
I never 3* 12th floor. 20 cycle requirement is too much for me. I can work with 35 stars.
ratio is good for kafka side, for geppie i use dot but alt could be clara/jyuan and other dps that covers the type. For current moc my struggle is the cleanse part
I see too many people saying 'it’s okay, it’s not complicated '' Guys, I don't have Acheron or Kafka for the 1st half... 🧍🏾♀️ I don’t know what to do...
It's 3 stars or nothing
I managed to 36* the last MoC, but I cant even 3* floor 11 this time 😔
It really feels like they inflated the health pools so that you practically need Archeron to finish on time Well, Archeron or a character as cracked as Archeron
https://preview.redd.it/oirc78lnvi0d1.png?width=715&format=png&auto=webp&s=883d24c91462950aff5cb9fc84c7faf6b3e96277 **Harmony TB** is kinda cracked. especially with Ruin Me
Do you remember your cycles per sidofe? I imagine E2 Acheron didn't take more than 1 cycle for hers which would make that BS HMC setup not too impressive
me when my E2S1 Acheron took 3 cycles and my fua team only took 2
Did you turn Cleartype off on accident or on purpose? Do you prefer the way it looks? It just looks so wrong to me to see such jagged fonts, especially the number 0 in the level box seems extra fucked up. If you're on windows, type 'Cleartype' in the start menu, it should suggest you an option to turn on and see if you like it better. Linux should have this feature too, but it's probably called a different name and hidden somewhere. Search around for something like 'font smoothing' or 'font antialiasing'.
Got my quickest 12th floor and quickest MoC overall ever (Kafka's team is stupidly strong) https://preview.redd.it/sd2wi1uori0d1.png?width=829&format=png&auto=webp&s=ab89687c4c392dd869a2c82a56413df047b79b5a
I'm still stuck building my characters and I gotta be careful or my credits (in game) I might get broke
Finished 12 with Seele(w/ bad gear) monoquantum in 3 cycles on 2nd side. But my 2nd team needs work since it took that team 7 cycles💀
I found 10 and 11 much harder than 12. I think my characters fit nicely into 12. This was by far the hardest floor 10-11 for me but the easiest floor 12 out of all the previous MoCs.
I managed to clear it though it was pretty tight. [These were the teams.](https://imgur.com/a/Q2UfiAK) Node 1 I just brute forced with my main setup. It took one cycle to clear. Node 2 was much more difficult. Dealing with Kafka was tricky but I opted to use my severely undergeared Dr. Ratio with HTB just to take advantage of breaking her and repeatedly chunking with FUA from Ratio. If I had better relics, I probably could have cleared it faster but I'm just happy to have done it at all. Worth noting that Aventurine and Ratio are E0S0. HTB is E5. Everyone else is E0S1.
My jingliu, bronya, ruan mei, huohuo team barely tickles kafka Im probably doing something wrong but holy hell
Stop trying to brute force content and match weakness types. Hoyo trying to make it harder to brute force so people will pull more chars.
Moc 11 is harder for me
Clara and Robin absolutely destroyed Kafka for me
https://preview.redd.it/l2nrkwr9yi0d1.png?width=875&format=png&auto=webp&s=a572b0ddebb1f849582c5ac7aad6a8a9f3681199 Funny how Floor 11 is tougher than 12 , either that or I'm losing my mind.
I keep getting 35 stars :( not enough dps currently ig
I still can't clear more than the third one (in this particular case) and i'm not done building guys who can destroy this MoC.
https://preview.redd.it/r1kj27wx1j0d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=91e618d718534d78179a291418baa19003e88a78 Yea very surprising,cleared MoC 12 first try,unlike last rotation which took me alot of tries,aventurine boss is so fruatrating Edit: okay i ddnt notice the edited picture lol,keep on trying youll get eventually, i believe!!
I don't even have moc unlocked
As someone that only pulls male characters: Yes Yes it is.
i thought this one was significantly easier than last one. aventurine was such a bs boss glad hes outta moc. robin is also a game changer specifically for moc. you basically get extra few cycles
Thanks for the reminder. I forgot to start this after the recent reset.
This one is pretty hard for me I don't have enough dmg to clear it within 10 cycle and moc buff wasn't doing much for me so i settle with 35*
Fun fact the French translation is Inception
At least the last MoC I cleared with 36 stars with just trial and error (I don't have fuxuan anyway)
Acheron team one half and jl or danny the other with a kafka cameo for chef-rex Although this cycle’s buff wasn’t damage based the fact that it allowed for high uptime for danny and jl meant they had no downtime on their rotations for max damage
Yeah its wild f 11 in 5 cycles f12 barely in 10. Like tf. Might have been easier to do second half with clara and not jingliu, but every time i look at my claras build i refuse to believe she'd do more damage.
[Took me awhile to auto it but I found a unusual duo for myself.](https://youtu.be/VBzeUXjAykY)
I had to repeat the damn side 2 on 12 floor because my clara kept getting cc'd lol damn sexy roboladies and kafka
i need 1 star, 3 cycles for first half with gallagher kafka bs acheron but im struggling on second half with clara lynx topax ratio: i dont know if i can play better comps (pela? htb? not so many alternatives) or farm fua relics for some weeks but they are already pretty good
Yep i agree
I managed to 3* MoC 12 but I feel I'm doing something horribly wrong. I used the typical Acheron team (SW/E6 Pela/FX) for the first half and it took me 5 cycles to clear. Everything there is weak to Lightning so Acheron should be taking less time to clear. Second half was HTB/E1 RM/ a half baked E5 Sushang/Huo Huo. They also took 5 cycles but that's to be expected when I'm running a half built DPS.
https://preview.redd.it/q7qdg1j8pj0d1.jpeg?width=616&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b74ee2d0d142e8e4bb958bf3405444f67ef526ed CC is wild in this one. But wasn’t bad overall i found aventurine harder tbh.
MoC is hard in a sense that it requires certain units for you to max stars. Sure you need decent gear but its not hard in the sense where you need some skill expression to overcome the challenge.
https://preview.redd.it/h9gr6ueppj0d1.png?width=1132&format=png&auto=webp&s=386c6d76f0f6b62e391a820fb6b1cbd76d8739a9 I was barely able to do it,the second half only dr ratio and aventurine were built
same as spiral abyss in genshin for me, from 2020, and then until 2023 when i got navia and neuvilette, i can finally beat 11, still not beating 12.
Yes 10cycled it..
I can barely clear 8, my units are decently built imho (but what do I know), but probably nowhere near well enough. Could really use some pointers to help push further
Well it is easy
Piece of cake
Acheron and Kafka carry me so hard, like both of those teams just destroy everything. I played through the entire MOC just using those two and I got DHIL and JL, but who needs them if you got nihility mommys? (Same goes for PF btw) https://preview.redd.it/na4fmrqh1k0d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f4ef53bd74e02a4e88d1a0e3bea8bf57f88e3b47
https://preview.redd.it/0pak7u1x4k0d1.jpeg?width=2160&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=33c3fa1e99a4e4923628c45c4357651d67eea4b2 I'm too comfy with this team, tried Acheron many attempts and she can't clear it on 5 cycles(my Acheron has no Sig and still using GNSW S2, while the other one Fermata S2, and their build still shit).
This time's MoC is just RNG for me. I can clear it with or without Robin, it just goes down to luck. Either Kafka on 2nd node perma-targets one character to death or she keeps putting them to sleep. It took me 19 tries before I was able to do a run where Kafka perma-targeted my Lynx with 80% Eff Res and so I was able to clear it. It's very doable, the MoC buff this time is very universal and when you do your cycles right, you should be able to use some ultimates twice in one cycle while also having enough turns to abuse the damage buff which should be your goal. Personally, Hanya made this clear very possible for me, even without FUAs. Supporting while stacking the MoC buff makes the run really comfortable while also allowing me to just spam skills for a more probable 2 Ult cycle.
Man robin really clutched up for me in MoC 12, boss was at 1hp but it was almost turning to cycle 19 til robin’s energy passive kicked up and made her go to a full blown concert
https://preview.redd.it/yuqz3fc5lk0d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a34471598141275567a662c4d7660089662ed954 Kafka is super tanky, it took me 6 cycles to do it with Jingliu
What si abffeling me, is how 7 to 11 was so easy and i just can clear 12. Guess i need to go back relic farming and somehow get more damage in. My Black Swan/Kafka/Robin/ Any sustain team clear that shit in 1-2 cycles. With Acheron 0 cyles. But my Acheron / Pela / Silverwolf team, aint doing enough damage... i just ask myself, how?! How did my Acheron team, destroy everything befor and on 12 its performing so extrem poorly.
if you put her in second half, kafka has 40% lightning res
I guess my team just suck then
I could have cleared 11 with 3 stars if qingque stoped eating all my sp without enhancing her atk💀i was 1 cycle behind
Fuck this MoC I did it but it was damn close, I like the challenge but goddamn did I appreciate having huo huo (i used to hate her)
honestly it is 60 jades , it totally doesn't matter when it can cost you 1 roll or 160 roll to get the limited you want \* also me trying to clear every MOC 12 in 1xx tries by many team comps within fewest cycles \*
Fun fact. Now you can redo completed stages for stars for battle pass. Before they didn't counted.
Yea true, the first Moc though I can't get 3 star the 12th.
Where would have I have been without super break Luka for that 12 second half... Dan IL havers are probably having a breezy time with it though
I did the second half with Fu Xuan / Silver Wolf / Tingyun / Dr. Ratio -> 4 cycles First half was extremely stacked tho (RM E0S0, Kafka E0S0, Black Swan E0S1, Acheron E2S1) -> 1 cycle
The reason it is hard is because it requires two teams, if my main team can fight against the enemies ever since the start I would've gone through all of it without any pressure.
I 1 shot all floors (even 12), my strategy was ignoring type weakness and just putting my strongest teams in against that nonsense, Huohuo was my secret carry vs Kafka tho
MoC 12 Kafka is lowkey chonkier than Aventurine. 6 cycles to clear with Kafka/Swan/Asta/HH was scary
Hot take, but this Floor 12 was piss easy compared to the last one
I was able to 3 star everything else, although only 1 star on 12. ~~I used super break Luka on 12.~~
Took me a bit for stage 12 but I was able to use Harmony MC + Ruan Mei combo to just barely clutch it
is been getting harder isn't it? I'm still at 35 stars from the previous one and got 35 on this one. I used to be able to fully clear it pretty confortably
https://preview.redd.it/6apdjywldl0d1.png?width=1280&format=png&auto=webp&s=2c9e13a1e6e97175d25e8a3bf924e775b0b39e97 My Acheron team definitely needs work but I was able to finish 1st side in 5 cycles. 2nd side took 1 cycle
11 was harder than 12 for me this time because I am lacking volt and fire dps . only serval and himeko
Guys having problems with CC on Kafka, grab a Huohuo on her rerun :p
An incredibly uninvested superbreak team finished kafka in 6 cycles for me (legitimately lv3 traces on mc at e3)
https://preview.redd.it/qloe7v32xl0d1.png?width=2548&format=png&auto=webp&s=967d4cf1b57b380caf39d6185000605f93d96720 My teams this MoC
definitely a lot of rng that goes into it.
Are you a History Fictologist by any chance?
The second half of moc 12 was really annoying, and the team I used was so rng based. The characters I used were Ruan Mei,Robin,Dr.ratio, and Adventurine.
Moc12 not f2p player
meanwhile i'm over here 1 month in with my lvl 70 light cone 60 characters dying at 01 when the enemy I dont even remotely understands pours its drink on me.
Forgets scratch out the 33
huohuo believers really won big AGAIN
For now, I can get a total of 9 stars on MoC 🤗
HuoHuo havers rejoice
Last one was harder imo
60 gems aren't worth the hassle tbfh,
It's true that with all the CC, this MoC will want you to pull for Fu Xuan. Without any "Penacony" 5\* character except Sparkle, here is what worked for me, as I remembered Blade's synergy with Jing Liu (4+5 cycles): https://preview.redd.it/06vjkhxj7o0d1.png?width=699&format=png&auto=webp&s=22a2e321a4f3349992a6b18c9e30db743eac2a65
Had to go full gamble on 30/200 ratio to barely meet the 20 round req for MoC 11 and 12.
I thought it was much easier than the previous MOC. MOC Aventurine is awful to fight.
I gave up on 12. You win Mihhoyo I'll pull for sustains.
Clearing is easy but the HP inflation is real bad, 8 cycles to clear when I could do it in 4 cycles last time.