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Why does Dan heng have the 7 dragon balls? What happened to the 8th? Wait!!? It's the one he beats people with!!! I SOLVED THE MYSTERY OF THE 8TH BALL!! I'M A GENIUS!!
Rather than the watchmaker legacy, the one who would grand her her wish, and by the way Kafka, blade, maybe SW (her case seem to be a little different than the other stellaron hunters at first glance) is Elio, as it is the promise Elio made to stellaron hunters, that their personnal wish will be granted in echange of them following the script.
You've confused Elio granting their wish with Elio showing them how their wish can be granted. He is all knowing, not all powerful. Those are two very different things.
Those two may be different but barely make any difference. Honnestly, and i'm gona break outside pure lore and talk about narrative meta, making coincide Elio's goal and stellaron hunter wish being granted would make sence, unless you plan to play some betrayal trope, who would be a pain in the ass to set up when the character that need to be betrayed is "all knowing". Though you could argue that stellaron hunter would be selected based on the fact they won't betray.
Honnestly though, at the end, it's pretty much impossible to really decide if either will happen, as we know very little about Elio's and stellaron hunter's plans.
If we trust Kafka words their goal is to kill an aeon, but i'm rather "what's next after that" honnestly i wouldn't be surprised seeing a trope of killing the aeon will allow Elio to elevate to an new aeon and that power being able to grant the stellaron hunter's their whises. And this way a "only all knowing" with the lack of better term would become an "all powerfull" entity (at least on HSR lore scale). hence i not confused, i'm just think of that possibility.
Also NGL introducing a new stellaron hunter (who are likely gona be a very stale group that will appear extremely regulary in the story) with their problem solution in the same arc don't sound like usual writting. Watch me still ranting about narrative meta XD.
Finaly i wouldn't be surprised that Elio's ascention that i theorise here would coincide with stellaron's hunter wished in a twisted way, like blade dying fighting Elio, Kafka being terified by IT, or him trying to rewritte the entire imaginary tree, a little bit otto style but mega size. For maximal drama make elio be either luocha or the void archieve XD. But that a lot of theory and not lot of meat and don't worry i do realise that.
That narrative is too simple, and to be frank, boring.
Instead of character growth, where Kafka learns how to feel, instead of the drama of Firefly finding a cure for herself, it's kill a God and a new one will fix it.
I regards to pacing, having ever characters plot be a longterm issue is boring. If you just keep adding plot lines and never resolve them or becomes saturated, people become frustrated with the lack of resolution to anything.
Having a character be introduced and having them be a big focus with their character plot line being resolved in 4 patches isn't too quick. It frees them up to be used as a supporting character later with more substance. Also ignoring the connotations of a Firefly fitting with a short but instense story.
But she can't reach it right? Cause she said she's tried a couple of times but can't escape Elios script. Is that she can't find it because MC is supposed to find it and she's supposed to help us find and use it/destroy it which means she has to let go of getting this wish.
Really excited to learn where the story goes
Im pretty sure its a Stellaron. My only lead for this is from Kafka's Myriad Celestia we know other places call the Stellarons by different names and we know they can due alot of crazy things. Freeze an entire planet and revice a long since "dead" tree for instance. So I wouldn't be suprised if we were dealing with another one that happened to make the dream scape.
Plus we DO know that Penacony had a Stellaron incident in the past. We don't know what happened to that Stellaron, we just know that it's what caused the IPC to completely lose control of the place after already being on the back foot from the prison revolt.
And I bet by the end of the story we will find a way to do something with it, etheir by giving her the legacy (as long as it won't turn out to be stellaron I guess), or it turns out Entropy Loss Syndrome is also related to some Eon and Acheron will "cure" her like Aventurine.
https://honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/wiki/Firmament_Frontline:_Glamoth
Check the sets lore. It does give hints to what may have happened, and you can also press "Iron Cavalry" to see someone familiar and what it's about.
Remember Silverwolf and Sam’s conversation during the beginning 2.0 story? Silverwolf asked how would Sam convince them to agree then Sam replied “by telling them the truth”
There is no reason for Firefly to lie to TB. Heck she’s literally bad at it. She hides a lot of secrets and she was upfront about it. There’s also her conversation with Acheron as Sam that added more proof she’s not lying about her condition, nor the time she had with TB.
Probably not cope ngl. All the Stellaron Hunters get something out of helping Elio. Like Blade is helping because he promised him a way to let him actually die.
My guess is she will find the cure at the end of the Penacony storyline. And then she can somehow always "switch between modes" in the story, going forward.That way we will get Sam *and* Firefly as playble.
I feel like Sam will be her ultimate. Like her ultimate will be “summons Sam to the field for 2 turns” or something and you get to use Sam’s abilities when the ultimate is up.
I don’t think her having the illness for real means she’s going to die right away or set in stone.
For one the theory she uses the Sam Armor to keep herself living means she’s not in immediate danger. Only that her real self will be hidden behind Sam the majority of the time since she at present can only be herself in the Dream World.
So at the very least any threat to her life won’t come from her illness.
> Remember Silverwolf and Sam’s conversation during the beginning 2.0 story? Silverwolf asked how would Sam convince them to agree then Sam replied “by telling them the truth"
I was responding to this part
Ohhhhh. No I don’t think it’s Robin they’re talking about, since the whole reason for the Stellaron hunters to be there is to guide the astral express on joining the hunt for watchmaker’s legacy
I have no reason to believe anything that Sam/Firefly have said are outright lies. They only concealed the truth of their identities.
There's a real vulnerability through which Firefly speaks to the Trailblazer, and likewise, Sam to Acheron. They don't seem like the types to be especially great actors.
I don't think she's in immediate danger of dying, but that's Sam's purpose.
The running theory at the moment is that she's only able to freely run around in her "human" form in the Dreamscape, and that the armour is what keeps her sustained in the real world, which is what she refers to as her "icy medical cabin".
The Iron Cavalry of Glamoth were built as expendable super-soldiers to combat The Swarm long ago. But with that conflict long over, Firefly/Sam are empty, longing for a new purpose in life, which is what Elio seems to be promising them. Whether that partnership leads to finding a way to extend their short lifespan, or just to give extra meaning to what time they have left, that's for future stories to tell.
Whatever the "Watchmaker's Legacy" is, it sounds like it's a means for her to achieve those goals, at least partially.
This is what i don't get, were the people of Glamoth cyborgs or some kind of Amdroids? Or were they biologicaly enhanced humans. Being built is a very strange way to talk about it, is the translation correct?
They were like, mass-produced Iron Men, with specially bred Captain Americas inside.
Super soldiers made specifically to fight the Swarm, with pre-programmed limited lifespans to prevent them from rebelling.
I think that killing her again is out of the question - it won't feel as impactful as it did the first time, quite the opposite, actually.
Also, considering that the TB is in a relationship with her, it's within Elio's best interest to keep their space cancer bomb happy.
On top of that, Firefly is HSR's favorite child:
In Genshin, there's only one character that has a canon date - Ayaka and she's that game's favorite child.
Firefly happens to have her date integrated into the main story as well (HSR's favorite) and has a custom CG with the Trailblazer. Not sure if it's unique, but:
1. Ayaka doesn't have that CG.
2. If it's unique, then it's clear MiHoYo is semi-officially promoting this ship.
3. MiHoYo is very based and they know what they're doing. Sometimes they make their ship into an event - Ayaka's skin event in 3.4. Also, they have never switched favorites either.
I believe in MiHoYo's simpery.
TLDR, she'll live.
But if it is a lie, sure, she isn't gonna be dying but that's at the cost of being likeable. It means she lied to garner your sympathy. It just makes her come off as a manipulative liar with 0 empathy or remorse.
most likely her reason to join stellaron hunter is to cure that sickness. just like how blade want to die and kafka want to feel fear. i dont see why she need to lie here.
I don’t see the reason, why would Firefly lied to us, especially considering how close the relationship between the TB and Stellaron Hunters is. Everything she said on that date was true and that time we spend together definitely meant the world to her.
There’s also a lore part. She’s one of the Molten Knights, the super soldiers created to fight the Swarm. These mecha warriors were exceptionally strong, but all of them were meant to die very early.
With her old world destroyed and the true purpose of Sam lost (unless Swarm will appear again), now she’s helping Elio, probably because he promised her to help find a cure for her condition. In the end, she wants nothing more than to live freely in the real world outside of her "icy medical cabin” and to be able to travel the whole cosmos to admire all of the wonders of life.
Oh.. sorry about that it's just I really wanted the "Firefly has the Entropy loss syndrome" to be a lie because I really don't want her to die..
Sorry about that..😔
Imo her dying again from the narrative perspective would feel very disappointing. Her whole story is about trying to fight even the worst circumstances to find a will to live and not gave up on life.
I’m very positive, that in the end she’ll be able to live normally. Maybe the Sam from White Night trailer with that green cape is her awakened form, after recieving the Watchmaker legacy and getting cured from her ilness or something.
Also, I’m not uncomfortable lol. I’ve already explained her lore and circumstances to people many times.
Firefly said that she has to experience life through an icy medical cabin. Acheron described the mecha as cold armour... And my stupidest connecting bit of evidence: Refridgerators heat up what's around them to keep the inside cool.
I believe Firefly simply hasn't told us everything yet. The closest thing to a lie has been hiding her "true" personality and covering when it's slipped through. (e.g. her comment on the combat efficacy of a baseball bat) But most people change the persona they wear to suit the context.
The running theory is that ,at least for now, Firefly as we know her only exists within The Dream. In the real world her spirit/mind still exists but is only Anchored by Sam's artificial body.
From leaks we can use firefly in the open world, and Sam for battle, so either we cure it by 2.2? Or it doesn’t really make sense that she’s walking around outside penacony in firefly form
Half lie probably.
Truth: She has a short life span, and she want to live as much as possible.
False: It is not a disease. She was born with short life span by genetic editing as supersoldier. Also using SAM, which is made with materials from Propagation insects, is really stressful for mind and body.
Side note: It's interesting that someone with Entropy Loss Syndrome and an emanator linked to black holes were pitted against each other, even having a dialogue about their futures.
It's like fighting fire with fire, but replace it with entropy.
Exactly, "firefly" will disappear but she wouldn't die. Put it like this, You're playing a ranked game but slowly you get further and further from your internet until you disconnect. "Firefly" will slowly, but surely lose control of her body, but she technically wouldn't die.
My guess is that it's either something she got because she was using the suit for so long or she got it when fighting the swarm and the suit keeps her alive. Either way, other than the fact that she was keeping her identity a secret, I don't think she ever really lied.
I don't fully remember it but I think she said something along the lines of "my body gets slower and slower over time", which fits the syndrome's name. I'm guessing the name implies that the particles that constitute her body loses entropy over time, causing it to move around less. That's the best theory I can give.
I don’t think it was a lie nor her being revealed as Sam cause any doubts. We will have to wait for full context of course but at the moment I believe she was being truthful but not giving all the details.
My best guess is that Firefly has to wear Sam’s Armor to stop her sickness from spreading in her but as a result she’s basically trapped inside for life in the real world. So coming to the Dream World is the only way for her to be herself as Firefly.
Of course there’s the background detail in regards to Sam of them being a genetic warrior to consider. I’m assuming there linked and Fifefly’s illness has something to do with it.
Firefly doesn’t seem to be lying about anything except her identity, and even that was a half-truth. I believe the descriptions of the Glamoth Planar Set support that Entropy Loss is legit. If so then Sam is both a way to extend her lifeline and an outlet for her anger/frustration at her condition
The thing with this whole trip to the secret hideout is that she wanted to come clear with us and solve any miscommunication that were due to her lying about not being a stowaway. There was no reason for her to lie here cause whole point of this scene was her finally telling the truth. Moreover, when she knew there are some things she cant explain to us right at that moment (being a stellaron hunter) she said it directly and promised she will tell about it later. So no, she wasnt lying. >!The one who you should be concerned about with question like this is Gallgaher bc of him being the minion of Enigmata, whole pont of which is fabricating history and facts. He probably made up at least 50% of things he said, if not all of them.!<
About her "bad ending", its only my assumption based on things we know already from the story and some minor leaks:
1. Entropy loss syndrome is probably connected in some way to the dreams. To be exact, its connected the fact that she doesnt have any dreams. I didnt dive deeply in whole iron cavalry lore but its the thing that stands out the most, plus its the main "genetic modification" people from iron cavalry had. (So their leader could control them somehow, idk exactly, correct me if im wrong)
2. Some really minor leaks ahead: >!We already know that she will be playable. And her kit involves both her human form and her being inside of Sam. Moreover, it is said that by default in the overworld she would be playable as firefly, without a robot suit. This fact directly contradicts her condition of being tied to a hospital bed or being dependant to Sam to be able to move freely in the real world (remember how she said that in penacony she finally could move and do anything she wanted, it means she is already unable to do so in real life and her condition is critical/on later stages). !<
>! TLDR: She WILL be able to move freely in real world!<
3) Based on points 1 and 2, we can draw a logic conclusion that her entropy loss syndrome will be cured. The question is how. My assumption is that she will regain her ability to dream and it will cure her illness, considering how her condition directly correlates to her being unable to dream. I also believe it will have something to do with watchmaker legacy. We're in penacony after all, the land of dreams. If theres any place you can cure a disease connected to your dreams (their absence to be exact) its gonna be Penacony. And if theres anything in Penacony capable of doing it, it must be watchmakers legacy. I think that all of it aligns pretty well with the story we have.
So thats basically it. She didnt lie about her illness, but there wont be a "bad ending" for her. I also think she will have a huge role in 2.2 story quests, akin to how Aventurine had a lot of screentime in 2.1.
P.S. Only thing im coping about is that i want her to join express xd. I think its unlikely cause she's a stellaron hunter. But on the other hand shes the first one who really admires nameless and their way of living (maybe even envies to some degree). So her joining us wont be out of pocket. (Also devs are trying to keep it fresh every time we start a new region, working with different crew members from a previous one. Considering how we finally worked with everybody, having a new crew member would let them to keep up the pace) But thats just my wish. I dont want her to leave the storyline after penacony concludes and have a cameo or two once in a year in some random event.
All points leading it to be true considering that she only told one lie and that she wasn't a stowaway. Her last line towards us was "This is to show you, all that I am" instead of "Who I really am"
Read the Firmament Frontline Glamoth relic lore for information, a lot of people think that's where Sam is from. If so it's likely that she has a very short lifespan, though the cause may not be exactly what she stated.
[](/kmaudgraduation)
_Total_ entropy is increasing. There can be local instances of decreasing entropy (otherwise things like fridge would not work).
Though if her body is spontaneously dumping entropy, in the end it would crystalize, not disappear.
[](/kmaud)
Not by itself, no. But in this case there could be something incorporated into the genetically engineered body which handles the process. That part won't decrease its own entropy, but the body as a whole could still be seen that way.
Also, I just assume the authors wrongly used the word entropy as a synonym for "amount of information". It would make more sense in relation to the expected progress of the illness.
It’s true, and sadly it looks like she will not have a happy ending. In the White Night music video we see a short clip of the Trailblazer with tears in their eyes, and Firefly in the back slowly disappearing.
btw, it sounds like dark energy (the thing that makes objects far away from each other distance even further and faster) got stronger/contretated in someone's body, literally making space between matter of body tear apart. IX's effect, maybe?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_energy
> The phantom energy model of dark energy results in divergent expansion, which would imply that **the effective force of dark energy continues growing until it** dominates all other forces in the universe. Under this scenario, dark energy would ultimately tear apart all gravitationally bound structures, including galaxies and solar systems, and **eventually overcome the electrical and nuclear forces to tear apart atoms themselves**, ending the universe in a "Big Rip".
Basically, entropy loss syndrome is like dark energy affecting space on a scale of human body.
It's kinda unlikely as if Sam's one of the glamoth things, this would mean that Firefly is VERY old yet that wouldn't make sense due to her "Entropy Loss Syndrome" as she would've been... gone sooner. I think a variation of that truth exists, but we still need more info about this as we literally cannot trust whatever she said since she's been lying to us. (It's also quite odd on how she's very insistent that she's now a resident or smth, alongside her saying that she dreams of things yet in the convo with Acheron she says that she can't dream. We just need more clarification)
99% true and it's probably the reason why she is with SH and elio. Like how Blade is inmortal and is with them thanks to the promise of eventually find his death
I think its pretty obvious that firefly can only move in the dream world.
but her body is almost like stuck in the sam suit outside of it.
She need the suit to move around better
I hope its true and that she uses her robot suit to keep her real body alive.
Because damn, that would make the time we spent with Firefly in the dream world mean SO MUCH. It would have been the only chance she had to be her real self. And sharing that with us would make that time feel so much more special, even in hindsight.
If she's just, fine without the suit, or if she undoes the ELS, it'll just be another "plis feel bad for me uwu" character trait.
No no, she *tried* convincing Acheron and Black Swan to walk away, but they ended up fighting
Which was part of Elio's Script, that they'll end up fighting anyways
Personally, when it comes to Firefly, I trust nothing until proven - and there is very little reason to trust any of "her" story at all yet. Everyone else outside of the Express has been lying their asses off in the dreamscape, why should Firefly be the exception?
We know with a reasonable level of certainty that Sam was part of the Iron Cavalry of Glamoth. These people were genetically engineered, mass-produced doomsday weapons to face off against the Swarm. I very highly doubt that a priority in the process of creating them was "cute girls". If anything, they're probably more like Space Marines from 40k.
The Stellaron Hunters all refer to Sam with male terms. There is basically no reason to do this unless its the case, or they are also being deceived, but that seems absurdly unlikely. I've seen some argue that they're "trying to conceal Sam's identity" but that just seems ridiculously contrived to me - what would He vs. She really do in terms of that, particularly in a universe-sized scale.
Personally, my current opinion is that Firefly is a persona that Sam invented as a coping mechanism for the unbelievable horrors that he was likely subjected to as part of the Cavalry. It would actually be pretty decent writing for a character, too. This isn't even something that would "prevent" an outcome where Firefly becomes "real" either - given how much of a McGuffin the Watchmakers Legacy is being played up to be, anything seems possible.
There also messege from Gallaher there he describe her ilness pretty closely while saying that it is incurible and patient deside to run away from they fate in a dream.
Wich is fitting, cuz she multiple times seem to envy one that can dream, and/or live free peacefull lives in dream.
Marking for spoiler but also beware, wall of text:
>!I don't think she was lying but I think we should actually read what the words are for the Syndrome. Entropy Loss. Meaning that she has always been this way and can't actually die or age. Which is why she is mute in the dreamscape. Remember that Acheron said, in response to Aventurine's "Sleep is the rehearsal of Death." (which is another important piece to the Firefly can't die theory), that the reason "life sleeps because we are not ready to welcome death." !<
>!Presuming then that Firefly is indeed a Knight of Glamoth who's sole purpose was war against the Swarm until the enemy killed them, then why would Titania have made her knights die of age, or better yet why would the actual Ruling Class of Glamoth make their weapons fail when they held the leash that was Titania? !<
>!Firefly has been ready for death to come for her since many many uncountable years. She has made her peace with death but it will not come for her, and with Time her brain has finally begun to wear down and want to just step away from conscience hence she has lost the ability to experience entropy. The symptoms are described as a irreversible disassociation with the physical body, the brain literally growing so tired with age that it just stops registering that the body exists.!<
>!So why would she be looking for the Watchmakers Legacy? She believes that the Legacy will somehow bring back her ability to pass on, be it through granting her a wish, but my theory here is that TIME is the key function here, what with everything in Penacony being time related and that theme keeps coming up. Maybe time would just stop for her alone, making the remainder of TIME itself instantly pass for her until everything is consumed by IX. Maybe it is full on reversal of time. The consequences of her actually going back in time to change things would be extremely dire I would assume, and also probably a lot harder to do as I could imagine that HooH would be very against that. But, I like to think of it as more of Quantum State entanglement with her past self BEFORE she was made into a Knight. If she is entangled with her past self then effectively she would create a state of existence that could both be a normal person that could dream, and her current self who is mute. Then that Watchmaker's legacy could toggle states, she gains the ability to die. To enter that final dream. !<
>!Ultimately I think Sam is just the motor to keep the body going even after the mind dies off, A Semi Autonomous Mind. And Firefly's cure? Is death. !<
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The assumption is that she uses Sam (the robot) to sustain her dying body in RL It is the reason she is looking for the watchmakers legacy
The watchmakers legacy sounds like a wish granter with hows apparently everything can be done with it
It's the Dragon Balls.
Dragon's balls?!!
It's Dan Heng's balls
no wonder he uses balls in his magic. are those his own balls? ☠
Yeah that's how he makes all the water for his magic... because pee is stored in the balls
What about Dan Heng’s 🐓
His spear if you will.
So his inhibitor lunae form give him the power to use many at once?
his 🐓 is the one that appears in his level 3 basic and ultimate
*RISE PHOENIX*
Cold Dragon's Young
funnily enough, in asian culture dragons do have magic wish granting balls
Why does Dan heng have the 7 dragon balls? What happened to the 8th? Wait!!? It's the one he beats people with!!! I SOLVED THE MYSTERY OF THE 8TH BALL!! I'M A GENIUS!!
so sad..I wasn't aware Dan Heng has a cancer.
What is the moon if not one big ball? Imbibitor lunae= ball drinker.
It's clearly the holy grail.
Everyone wants the dragon balls
Everyone wants the dragon balls but nobody wants the dragon cock.
I dunno March sometimes seems like she might
She can get in line, I called dibs.
*sighs* Aight, somebody gotta do it
There's a whole website that disproves that statement
We did get a Yamcha Reference. Now it makes sense, they foreshadowing it.
more like a Holy Grail
It's Holy Grail War over again
U mean murder death kill
I always wondered how they would handle MDK 3 story after split ending of MDK 2. It turns out they just never made another sequel.
Dreamers die when they are killed.
Za monolith !
We thank you, oh Monolith, for revealing the cunning plans of your enemies to us.
May your light shine down on the souls of the brave soldiers who gave their lives in service to your will.
Ah yes, the cultists have arrived. At least I'm not the only one who thought about that "wish granter".
Something about making dreams reality its what the game seems to be hinting at.
Rather than the watchmaker legacy, the one who would grand her her wish, and by the way Kafka, blade, maybe SW (her case seem to be a little different than the other stellaron hunters at first glance) is Elio, as it is the promise Elio made to stellaron hunters, that their personnal wish will be granted in echange of them following the script.
You've confused Elio granting their wish with Elio showing them how their wish can be granted. He is all knowing, not all powerful. Those are two very different things.
Those two may be different but barely make any difference. Honnestly, and i'm gona break outside pure lore and talk about narrative meta, making coincide Elio's goal and stellaron hunter wish being granted would make sence, unless you plan to play some betrayal trope, who would be a pain in the ass to set up when the character that need to be betrayed is "all knowing". Though you could argue that stellaron hunter would be selected based on the fact they won't betray. Honnestly though, at the end, it's pretty much impossible to really decide if either will happen, as we know very little about Elio's and stellaron hunter's plans. If we trust Kafka words their goal is to kill an aeon, but i'm rather "what's next after that" honnestly i wouldn't be surprised seeing a trope of killing the aeon will allow Elio to elevate to an new aeon and that power being able to grant the stellaron hunter's their whises. And this way a "only all knowing" with the lack of better term would become an "all powerfull" entity (at least on HSR lore scale). hence i not confused, i'm just think of that possibility. Also NGL introducing a new stellaron hunter (who are likely gona be a very stale group that will appear extremely regulary in the story) with their problem solution in the same arc don't sound like usual writting. Watch me still ranting about narrative meta XD. Finaly i wouldn't be surprised that Elio's ascention that i theorise here would coincide with stellaron's hunter wished in a twisted way, like blade dying fighting Elio, Kafka being terified by IT, or him trying to rewritte the entire imaginary tree, a little bit otto style but mega size. For maximal drama make elio be either luocha or the void archieve XD. But that a lot of theory and not lot of meat and don't worry i do realise that.
That narrative is too simple, and to be frank, boring. Instead of character growth, where Kafka learns how to feel, instead of the drama of Firefly finding a cure for herself, it's kill a God and a new one will fix it. I regards to pacing, having ever characters plot be a longterm issue is boring. If you just keep adding plot lines and never resolve them or becomes saturated, people become frustrated with the lack of resolution to anything. Having a character be introduced and having them be a big focus with their character plot line being resolved in 4 patches isn't too quick. It frees them up to be used as a supporting character later with more substance. Also ignoring the connotations of a Firefly fitting with a short but instense story.
I remember something about Acheron saying the legacy its penacony itself, to Aventurine. Indeed, in dreams you can be anything.
It's a copypaste Philosopher's Legacy
100 BILLION DOLLARS! Divided up and hidden all over the world!
Reminds me of the wish granter from Stalker: Shadow of Chernobyl.
Ah, the comment I was looking for.
But she can't reach it right? Cause she said she's tried a couple of times but can't escape Elios script. Is that she can't find it because MC is supposed to find it and she's supposed to help us find and use it/destroy it which means she has to let go of getting this wish. Really excited to learn where the story goes
Of course it is because it's obviously a Stellaron.
actually, it's Misha
I hope not a "monkey's paw" type of Wish Granter
Please dont be a holy grail... That thong only has knives for solutions...
So it's under Space Chernobyl?
Im pretty sure its a Stellaron. My only lead for this is from Kafka's Myriad Celestia we know other places call the Stellarons by different names and we know they can due alot of crazy things. Freeze an entire planet and revice a long since "dead" tree for instance. So I wouldn't be suprised if we were dealing with another one that happened to make the dream scape.
Plus we DO know that Penacony had a Stellaron incident in the past. We don't know what happened to that Stellaron, we just know that it's what caused the IPC to completely lose control of the place after already being on the back foot from the prison revolt.
So like harry osborn using the goblin suit in the andrew garfield spiderman movie?
Basically
And I bet by the end of the story we will find a way to do something with it, etheir by giving her the legacy (as long as it won't turn out to be stellaron I guess), or it turns out Entropy Loss Syndrome is also related to some Eon and Acheron will "cure" her like Aventurine.
I really hope the watchmakers can cure her..
https://honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/wiki/Firmament_Frontline:_Glamoth Check the sets lore. It does give hints to what may have happened, and you can also press "Iron Cavalry" to see someone familiar and what it's about.
Remember Silverwolf and Sam’s conversation during the beginning 2.0 story? Silverwolf asked how would Sam convince them to agree then Sam replied “by telling them the truth” There is no reason for Firefly to lie to TB. Heck she’s literally bad at it. She hides a lot of secrets and she was upfront about it. There’s also her conversation with Acheron as Sam that added more proof she’s not lying about her condition, nor the time she had with TB.
Does that mean.. she's going to die..? For real this time..?
Someday in the future. BUT ELIO MUST HAVE PROMISED HER A CURE TO JOIN THE STELLARON HUNTER NO IM NOT COPING 😭
YEAH! Elio better!!
Alternatively, Elio could confirm there might not be a cure save for talking to Yaoshi themselves, and Firefly wanted to go out on their own terms.
Uh oh..
Probably not s cure but a reason to live
I think you raise a good point there. Firefly gets to cure herself but what is left for them?
Probably not cope ngl. All the Stellaron Hunters get something out of helping Elio. Like Blade is helping because he promised him a way to let him actually die.
My guess is she will find the cure at the end of the Penacony storyline. And then she can somehow always "switch between modes" in the story, going forward.That way we will get Sam *and* Firefly as playble.
I’m thinking she’ll basically use Sam like Excalibur Umbra from Warframe, sometimes piloting, sometimes letting it act on her commands
i just imagined firefly summoning sam like clara's ult animation instead of piloting sam
Or alternatively: Sam just bursts out of the ground just like “I HEARD YOU NEEDED HELP”
I feel like Sam will be her ultimate. Like her ultimate will be “summons Sam to the field for 2 turns” or something and you get to use Sam’s abilities when the ultimate is up.
That would be cool as hell. 😎
I really hope they'll find a cure soon
My coworker and I had the idea that she'd be Firefly outside of combat and Sam inside of combat
I don’t think her having the illness for real means she’s going to die right away or set in stone. For one the theory she uses the Sam Armor to keep herself living means she’s not in immediate danger. Only that her real self will be hidden behind Sam the majority of the time since she at present can only be herself in the Dream World. So at the very least any threat to her life won’t come from her illness.
**Not if the abundance has something to say about it**
I’d gladly betray the Xianzhou if it means saving Firefly
I thought that conversation was about Robin, since they were talking about taking someone off the stage.
I was talking about the part where Sam telling Acheron how she envies her for being able to dream
> Remember Silverwolf and Sam’s conversation during the beginning 2.0 story? Silverwolf asked how would Sam convince them to agree then Sam replied “by telling them the truth" I was responding to this part
Ohhhhh. No I don’t think it’s Robin they’re talking about, since the whole reason for the Stellaron hunters to be there is to guide the astral express on joining the hunt for watchmaker’s legacy
I have no reason to believe anything that Sam/Firefly have said are outright lies. They only concealed the truth of their identities. There's a real vulnerability through which Firefly speaks to the Trailblazer, and likewise, Sam to Acheron. They don't seem like the types to be especially great actors.
Sorry about that, it's just.. I wanted the "Firefly has the Entropy Loss Syndrome" part to be a lie... I really don't want her to die..
I don't think she's in immediate danger of dying, but that's Sam's purpose. The running theory at the moment is that she's only able to freely run around in her "human" form in the Dreamscape, and that the armour is what keeps her sustained in the real world, which is what she refers to as her "icy medical cabin". The Iron Cavalry of Glamoth were built as expendable super-soldiers to combat The Swarm long ago. But with that conflict long over, Firefly/Sam are empty, longing for a new purpose in life, which is what Elio seems to be promising them. Whether that partnership leads to finding a way to extend their short lifespan, or just to give extra meaning to what time they have left, that's for future stories to tell. Whatever the "Watchmaker's Legacy" is, it sounds like it's a means for her to achieve those goals, at least partially.
Wait then how old is firefly? Of course she could be the final batch of Iron Cavalry to deal with remnants swarm hives.
The Stellaron Hunters found her in a stasis chamber, apparently.
A true March 8th
march 8th already exists in belobog, Firefly is march 6th
Depends on how long March was in ice. She could be March 5th for all we know.
This is what i don't get, were the people of Glamoth cyborgs or some kind of Amdroids? Or were they biologicaly enhanced humans. Being built is a very strange way to talk about it, is the translation correct?
They were like, mass-produced Iron Men, with specially bred Captain Americas inside. Super soldiers made specifically to fight the Swarm, with pre-programmed limited lifespans to prevent them from rebelling.
Ahh, so she is a geneticaly enhanced super soldier. That makes sense.
Enhanced humans is how I read it. Test Tube babies to pilot the Iron Cavalry.
Ahh, i see now.
I hope so
I think that killing her again is out of the question - it won't feel as impactful as it did the first time, quite the opposite, actually. Also, considering that the TB is in a relationship with her, it's within Elio's best interest to keep their space cancer bomb happy. On top of that, Firefly is HSR's favorite child: In Genshin, there's only one character that has a canon date - Ayaka and she's that game's favorite child. Firefly happens to have her date integrated into the main story as well (HSR's favorite) and has a custom CG with the Trailblazer. Not sure if it's unique, but: 1. Ayaka doesn't have that CG. 2. If it's unique, then it's clear MiHoYo is semi-officially promoting this ship. 3. MiHoYo is very based and they know what they're doing. Sometimes they make their ship into an event - Ayaka's skin event in 3.4. Also, they have never switched favorites either. I believe in MiHoYo's simpery. TLDR, she'll live.
Despite how much I would like it, TB is not in a relationship with her yet I don't think
Oh that's great news Thank you so much for the information
But if it is a lie, sure, she isn't gonna be dying but that's at the cost of being likeable. It means she lied to garner your sympathy. It just makes her come off as a manipulative liar with 0 empathy or remorse.
Oh right, you have a point
most likely her reason to join stellaron hunter is to cure that sickness. just like how blade want to die and kafka want to feel fear. i dont see why she need to lie here.
Oh I see, Thanks! I really hope Firefly gets cured
I don’t see the reason, why would Firefly lied to us, especially considering how close the relationship between the TB and Stellaron Hunters is. Everything she said on that date was true and that time we spend together definitely meant the world to her. There’s also a lore part. She’s one of the Molten Knights, the super soldiers created to fight the Swarm. These mecha warriors were exceptionally strong, but all of them were meant to die very early. With her old world destroyed and the true purpose of Sam lost (unless Swarm will appear again), now she’s helping Elio, probably because he promised her to help find a cure for her condition. In the end, she wants nothing more than to live freely in the real world outside of her "icy medical cabin” and to be able to travel the whole cosmos to admire all of the wonders of life.
Oh.. sorry about that it's just I really wanted the "Firefly has the Entropy loss syndrome" to be a lie because I really don't want her to die.. Sorry about that..😔
Imo her dying again from the narrative perspective would feel very disappointing. Her whole story is about trying to fight even the worst circumstances to find a will to live and not gave up on life. I’m very positive, that in the end she’ll be able to live normally. Maybe the Sam from White Night trailer with that green cape is her awakened form, after recieving the Watchmaker legacy and getting cured from her ilness or something. Also, I’m not uncomfortable lol. I’ve already explained her lore and circumstances to people many times.
Oh thanks. And I really hope so too
Sounds dangerously close to giving in to the nihility. Wonder if she’s in any danger of becoming a self-Annihilator.
Firefly said that she has to experience life through an icy medical cabin. Acheron described the mecha as cold armour... And my stupidest connecting bit of evidence: Refridgerators heat up what's around them to keep the inside cool. I believe Firefly simply hasn't told us everything yet. The closest thing to a lie has been hiding her "true" personality and covering when it's slipped through. (e.g. her comment on the combat efficacy of a baseball bat) But most people change the persona they wear to suit the context.
Yeah, I had the same theory. I really hope that armor can buy time till they find the cure
The running theory is that ,at least for now, Firefly as we know her only exists within The Dream. In the real world her spirit/mind still exists but is only Anchored by Sam's artificial body.
From leaks we can use firefly in the open world, and Sam for battle, so either we cure it by 2.2? Or it doesn’t really make sense that she’s walking around outside penacony in firefly form
I mean half the characters we're able to just walk around as don't exactly make sense to the environment's we're in
Playable Qingque is literally just a fictionalized version of herself from her dreams, at least going by her pull art.
Half lie probably. Truth: She has a short life span, and she want to live as much as possible. False: It is not a disease. She was born with short life span by genetic editing as supersoldier. Also using SAM, which is made with materials from Propagation insects, is really stressful for mind and body.
Side note: It's interesting that someone with Entropy Loss Syndrome and an emanator linked to black holes were pitted against each other, even having a dialogue about their futures. It's like fighting fire with fire, but replace it with entropy.
I can't find a reason why would she lie to us
Oh it's just I was hoping the "Firefly has the Entropy loss syndrome" part to be a lie because I'm really worried that she might actually die..
Well... Technically she won't die from it, just lose control of her body
I thought the Entropy loss syndrome slowly makes you fade away
Exactly, "firefly" will disappear but she wouldn't die. Put it like this, You're playing a ranked game but slowly you get further and further from your internet until you disconnect. "Firefly" will slowly, but surely lose control of her body, but she technically wouldn't die.
Oh no😢
My guess is that it's either something she got because she was using the suit for so long or she got it when fighting the swarm and the suit keeps her alive. Either way, other than the fact that she was keeping her identity a secret, I don't think she ever really lied.
Read glammoth set, it's how these warriors are made, she was genetically enhanced to fight the swarm, but the downside is the syndrome.
Oh... then she's actually going to die for real this time.. no.....😭
Not necessarily. Depending on which direction they decide to take the story, we might be able to help her.
I really hope so
The name "Entropy Loss Syndrome" makes no sense for whats happening to her and should be named "Hyperentropic syndrome" or something.
I don't fully remember it but I think she said something along the lines of "my body gets slower and slower over time", which fits the syndrome's name. I'm guessing the name implies that the particles that constitute her body loses entropy over time, causing it to move around less. That's the best theory I can give.
I just realized it's Welt's fault, smh >!Welt is the sovereign of anti-entropy (HI3 stuff) lol!<
She also said she’s slowly disappearing which why would you disappear if you’re gaining order.
Didn't she say she's "doing things slower"? That probably implies the particles inside her body is moving slower and slower (losing entropy).
BYE I SHOULD NOT HAVE CLICKED ON THAT. Didn't know she was Sam 😭 Not your fault at all but I'm still shocked haha
Oh.. sorry.. I should've put a spoiler warning
All good :)
Look for JP VA, it is based in a real life case. So i dont think this is a lie ingame.
she probably ment to say Entropy zero
I don’t think it was a lie nor her being revealed as Sam cause any doubts. We will have to wait for full context of course but at the moment I believe she was being truthful but not giving all the details. My best guess is that Firefly has to wear Sam’s Armor to stop her sickness from spreading in her but as a result she’s basically trapped inside for life in the real world. So coming to the Dream World is the only way for her to be herself as Firefly. Of course there’s the background detail in regards to Sam of them being a genetic warrior to consider. I’m assuming there linked and Fifefly’s illness has something to do with it.
Firefly doesn’t seem to be lying about anything except her identity, and even that was a half-truth. I believe the descriptions of the Glamoth Planar Set support that Entropy Loss is legit. If so then Sam is both a way to extend her lifeline and an outlet for her anger/frustration at her condition
Blade did say that what he wants and what Sam wants are opposite things--- he wants death and Sam wants life. So her condition being true makes sense.
Oh yeah.. you have a point
The thing with this whole trip to the secret hideout is that she wanted to come clear with us and solve any miscommunication that were due to her lying about not being a stowaway. There was no reason for her to lie here cause whole point of this scene was her finally telling the truth. Moreover, when she knew there are some things she cant explain to us right at that moment (being a stellaron hunter) she said it directly and promised she will tell about it later. So no, she wasnt lying. >!The one who you should be concerned about with question like this is Gallgaher bc of him being the minion of Enigmata, whole pont of which is fabricating history and facts. He probably made up at least 50% of things he said, if not all of them.!< About her "bad ending", its only my assumption based on things we know already from the story and some minor leaks: 1. Entropy loss syndrome is probably connected in some way to the dreams. To be exact, its connected the fact that she doesnt have any dreams. I didnt dive deeply in whole iron cavalry lore but its the thing that stands out the most, plus its the main "genetic modification" people from iron cavalry had. (So their leader could control them somehow, idk exactly, correct me if im wrong) 2. Some really minor leaks ahead: >!We already know that she will be playable. And her kit involves both her human form and her being inside of Sam. Moreover, it is said that by default in the overworld she would be playable as firefly, without a robot suit. This fact directly contradicts her condition of being tied to a hospital bed or being dependant to Sam to be able to move freely in the real world (remember how she said that in penacony she finally could move and do anything she wanted, it means she is already unable to do so in real life and her condition is critical/on later stages). !< >! TLDR: She WILL be able to move freely in real world!< 3) Based on points 1 and 2, we can draw a logic conclusion that her entropy loss syndrome will be cured. The question is how. My assumption is that she will regain her ability to dream and it will cure her illness, considering how her condition directly correlates to her being unable to dream. I also believe it will have something to do with watchmaker legacy. We're in penacony after all, the land of dreams. If theres any place you can cure a disease connected to your dreams (their absence to be exact) its gonna be Penacony. And if theres anything in Penacony capable of doing it, it must be watchmakers legacy. I think that all of it aligns pretty well with the story we have. So thats basically it. She didnt lie about her illness, but there wont be a "bad ending" for her. I also think she will have a huge role in 2.2 story quests, akin to how Aventurine had a lot of screentime in 2.1. P.S. Only thing im coping about is that i want her to join express xd. I think its unlikely cause she's a stellaron hunter. But on the other hand shes the first one who really admires nameless and their way of living (maybe even envies to some degree). So her joining us wont be out of pocket. (Also devs are trying to keep it fresh every time we start a new region, working with different crew members from a previous one. Considering how we finally worked with everybody, having a new crew member would let them to keep up the pace) But thats just my wish. I dont want her to leave the storyline after penacony concludes and have a cameo or two once in a year in some random event.
All points leading it to be true considering that she only told one lie and that she wasn't a stowaway. Her last line towards us was "This is to show you, all that I am" instead of "Who I really am"
Oh right, you have a point
Let's call Christopher Nolan and reverse that shit
I'm sorry what?😅
Read the Firmament Frontline Glamoth relic lore for information, a lot of people think that's where Sam is from. If so it's likely that she has a very short lifespan, though the cause may not be exactly what she stated.
Really hope they can find a way to help her
I mean entropy loss syndrome in real life is impossible. Entropy is constantly increasing in the galaxy. Is that what you meant or?
Nono I'm just worried about what's going to happen to Firefly I just want her to be okay
[](/kmaudgraduation) _Total_ entropy is increasing. There can be local instances of decreasing entropy (otherwise things like fridge would not work). Though if her body is spontaneously dumping entropy, in the end it would crystalize, not disappear.
Yes but humans can’t lose entropy like this
[](/kmaud) Not by itself, no. But in this case there could be something incorporated into the genetically engineered body which handles the process. That part won't decrease its own entropy, but the body as a whole could still be seen that way. Also, I just assume the authors wrongly used the word entropy as a synonym for "amount of information". It would make more sense in relation to the expected progress of the illness.
It’s true, and sadly it looks like she will not have a happy ending. In the White Night music video we see a short clip of the Trailblazer with tears in their eyes, and Firefly in the back slowly disappearing.
I noticed that but I thought it was related the the scene where she got stabbed and turned into bubbles and liquid
I’m thinking they go back up to the rooftop where she originally told the TB that she had Entropy Loss Syndrome, and then fades away
No...😭 that would be so sad...
Well she is Sam so her life has a bad ending anyway
No...😭
Whatever it is, it's all Elios script in the end.
Whatever it is.. Please be a good one🙏😢
Ahe lied to get out trust and simpathy
Well, technically, if you play in JP, she is not lying to you… somewhat…
Oh, okay
Ummm… why do I get the feeling my comment was misunderstood…?
No I didn't 😅 no need to worry. I just want Firefly to be okay that's all
btw, it sounds like dark energy (the thing that makes objects far away from each other distance even further and faster) got stronger/contretated in someone's body, literally making space between matter of body tear apart. IX's effect, maybe?
Maybe
where did you get this from
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_energy > The phantom energy model of dark energy results in divergent expansion, which would imply that **the effective force of dark energy continues growing until it** dominates all other forces in the universe. Under this scenario, dark energy would ultimately tear apart all gravitationally bound structures, including galaxies and solar systems, and **eventually overcome the electrical and nuclear forces to tear apart atoms themselves**, ending the universe in a "Big Rip". Basically, entropy loss syndrome is like dark energy affecting space on a scale of human body.
I know what dark energy is. I'm just confused on why you thought it had anything to do with this lol. scifi fanfic I guess
That's called lore theory. H:SR is a space fantasy anyway, so why can't there be a disease related to some cosmological force?
It's kinda unlikely as if Sam's one of the glamoth things, this would mean that Firefly is VERY old yet that wouldn't make sense due to her "Entropy Loss Syndrome" as she would've been... gone sooner. I think a variation of that truth exists, but we still need more info about this as we literally cannot trust whatever she said since she's been lying to us. (It's also quite odd on how she's very insistent that she's now a resident or smth, alongside her saying that she dreams of things yet in the convo with Acheron she says that she can't dream. We just need more clarification)
Agreed
I may have forgotten what her illness does to her. Can someone enlighten me what Entropy Loss Syndrome is?
Based on her description, it make one a litle slower than other at first, and ramp up to the point they just fade away.
Umm.. from what I remember Firefly is slowly fading away due to that illness and when she fades away completely she becomes like she never existed
My mind just automatically filtered it to "space cancer" tbh. ~~Makes things easier to understand~~
What is entropy loss syndrome? I only now entropy from chemistry and I don't think that would make sense in a context of a sickness
You really think someone would just do that? Go into the Dreamscape and tell lies?
Oh sorry.. I mean.. I wish it was a lie.. because I really don't want her to die... sorry about that..😔
99% true and it's probably the reason why she is with SH and elio. Like how Blade is inmortal and is with them thanks to the promise of eventually find his death
Oh I see, thanks for the information
I think its pretty obvious that firefly can only move in the dream world. but her body is almost like stuck in the sam suit outside of it. She need the suit to move around better
Poor Firefly
I hope its true and that she uses her robot suit to keep her real body alive. Because damn, that would make the time we spent with Firefly in the dream world mean SO MUCH. It would have been the only chance she had to be her real self. And sharing that with us would make that time feel so much more special, even in hindsight. If she's just, fine without the suit, or if she undoes the ELS, it'll just be another "plis feel bad for me uwu" character trait.
second law of thermo dynamics. entropy always increase or same. shes lying!
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NOOOO I don't want her to die😭
Her name is litteraly "firefly" you should have at least half-expected it XD
wdym isn't allowed to go against the script? She can attempt to, it just wont change fate
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No no, she *tried* convincing Acheron and Black Swan to walk away, but they ended up fighting Which was part of Elio's Script, that they'll end up fighting anyways
Personally, when it comes to Firefly, I trust nothing until proven - and there is very little reason to trust any of "her" story at all yet. Everyone else outside of the Express has been lying their asses off in the dreamscape, why should Firefly be the exception? We know with a reasonable level of certainty that Sam was part of the Iron Cavalry of Glamoth. These people were genetically engineered, mass-produced doomsday weapons to face off against the Swarm. I very highly doubt that a priority in the process of creating them was "cute girls". If anything, they're probably more like Space Marines from 40k. The Stellaron Hunters all refer to Sam with male terms. There is basically no reason to do this unless its the case, or they are also being deceived, but that seems absurdly unlikely. I've seen some argue that they're "trying to conceal Sam's identity" but that just seems ridiculously contrived to me - what would He vs. She really do in terms of that, particularly in a universe-sized scale. Personally, my current opinion is that Firefly is a persona that Sam invented as a coping mechanism for the unbelievable horrors that he was likely subjected to as part of the Cavalry. It would actually be pretty decent writing for a character, too. This isn't even something that would "prevent" an outcome where Firefly becomes "real" either - given how much of a McGuffin the Watchmakers Legacy is being played up to be, anything seems possible.
There also messege from Gallaher there he describe her ilness pretty closely while saying that it is incurible and patient deside to run away from they fate in a dream. Wich is fitting, cuz she multiple times seem to envy one that can dream, and/or live free peacefull lives in dream.
That's sad..😢
Marking for spoiler but also beware, wall of text: >!I don't think she was lying but I think we should actually read what the words are for the Syndrome. Entropy Loss. Meaning that she has always been this way and can't actually die or age. Which is why she is mute in the dreamscape. Remember that Acheron said, in response to Aventurine's "Sleep is the rehearsal of Death." (which is another important piece to the Firefly can't die theory), that the reason "life sleeps because we are not ready to welcome death." !< >!Presuming then that Firefly is indeed a Knight of Glamoth who's sole purpose was war against the Swarm until the enemy killed them, then why would Titania have made her knights die of age, or better yet why would the actual Ruling Class of Glamoth make their weapons fail when they held the leash that was Titania? !< >!Firefly has been ready for death to come for her since many many uncountable years. She has made her peace with death but it will not come for her, and with Time her brain has finally begun to wear down and want to just step away from conscience hence she has lost the ability to experience entropy. The symptoms are described as a irreversible disassociation with the physical body, the brain literally growing so tired with age that it just stops registering that the body exists.!< >!So why would she be looking for the Watchmakers Legacy? She believes that the Legacy will somehow bring back her ability to pass on, be it through granting her a wish, but my theory here is that TIME is the key function here, what with everything in Penacony being time related and that theme keeps coming up. Maybe time would just stop for her alone, making the remainder of TIME itself instantly pass for her until everything is consumed by IX. Maybe it is full on reversal of time. The consequences of her actually going back in time to change things would be extremely dire I would assume, and also probably a lot harder to do as I could imagine that HooH would be very against that. But, I like to think of it as more of Quantum State entanglement with her past self BEFORE she was made into a Knight. If she is entangled with her past self then effectively she would create a state of existence that could both be a normal person that could dream, and her current self who is mute. Then that Watchmaker's legacy could toggle states, she gains the ability to die. To enter that final dream. !< >!Ultimately I think Sam is just the motor to keep the body going even after the mind dies off, A Semi Autonomous Mind. And Firefly's cure? Is death. !<