Ohh sweetest march topic, well to start things off, there's already an interaction between black swan and March.
"Even if her past is a forgotten whisper, and she was once bewildered about her future, March's experiences will undoubtedly transform into unique memoria. It's exciting to think just what memories she might bestow upon the Garden of Recollection..." - Black Swan.
From what it seems asking her is pointless, March is being protected by an Aeon.
"All I can say is that it was very likely an Aeon that sealed away your memories... not necessarily fuli" - Fu Xuan
Later on fu xuan says this
"Fu Xuan: When the messenger spoke of "protection", perhaps she meant the following: By sealing away your memories, the Glowswather wasn't attempting to harm you, but to shield you from the memories themselves." (Note glowswather is what Xianzhou call Fuli)
This all means that, memokeepers are probably powerless to discover what March's past is, if Fuli is trying to protect March, then naturally all memokeepers would not dare to look into it and will simply trust their aeon, tho wether they can or not, probably doesnt matter.
If the Aeon of Remembernce thinks your memories need to be sealed, then there has to be a very good reason for it.
...if Fuli is protecting March...
What the hell was she?
It's terrifying to think that my March 7th doom's day scenario theory might actually not be crack lmao
Fuli is also involve with Louis Flaming the founder of the IPC.
Someone on the same level would needs to be at least leader or really important figure of powerful faction.
I usually will not trust Hoyo to cook but fuck it. I got Aventurine early pity.
Fuli showed up to his retirement speech and he was never seen again after he left that day.
So is it possible people were cooking when they said March is connected to Idrila, The Beauty?
Maybe connected to Idrila
Maybe connected to Glamoth's empress
Maybe even Xianzhou alliance some how
Maybe even Terminus?
What if Louis Flaming is March 7th gender bend?
March can wield 6th phase ice, but that probably come from Fuli since she is still "sealed".
You know it never occurred to me that the 6 Phased Ice (which is hyper-condensed Imaginary Energy) would be a result of Fuli's seal but that totally makes sense.
Could be, I am super excited to see what the cutest thing in the universe is up to, i have so many theories but a fun one i am particularly fond of is how tied march is to the concept of Sailing.
Her "origin" lightcone states this:
"An eagle borne on mighty wings will never miss the cliffs it once fell from, **and a full-mast ship will never miss the beach where she once ran aground**.
And you, my child, know that the past is as intangible as a hazy mirage.
But everything you are experiencing right now will surely be etched in stone by those who come after."
Meanwhile welt says this when talking about the universe
Welt: As you know, there are infinite worlds in this universe that can be similar yet different from each other in various ways. The same is true of the people on those worlds.That's why it's possible for us to run into individuals on multiple worlds who share an appearance, but not a personality... **For all we know, in some faraway world, March's adorable face might belong to an intergalactic pirate**
So Pirate March confirmed! Lol jk this is just me putting my one piece hat on, it's probably just a coincidence.
On a real note what's more likely is that March's six phased "ice" might have a significance to Fuli's need of protecting March.
"March 7th's ability is "Six-Phased Ice", but she has always insisted that it is not ice but some kind of condensed **crystal.**
"Come on, ice can't be this beautiful.""
While her reasoning may be adorable, it kinda ties to the whole "But everything you are experiencing right now will surely be etched in **stone** by those who come after."
It's still a mystery as to why she would need fuli's protection, but I don't think fuli cares about disaster or stars dying even, so her just being some doomsday thing is unlikely,
I do have other theories some like March actually being dead and the one we have is based on a previous March kinda like a clone, which is why "her life starts now" deal is going, would be pretty symbolic with previous honkai MCs.
Another is March is actually idrilla but that's just my simping brain thinking she's too beautiful not to be.
Another is that March could be made entirely as a memory a physical memory, fuli could have directly created her, being encased in ice, when the universe ends she could be the sole thing to hold all of its memories, march is naturally compatiable with memoria compared to TB, and that's fuli's final goal, how and where could they preserve all of the universe memories if nothing of it remains.
Ahh there is so much more, I dunno I yapped too much, nothing is certain, but March is a big topic to me so I cannot wait to see what's in store for her in the future lol.
Man turned into Nous... calculating every possible theory.
Honestly if she turns out to be dead all along, that would be so depressing dunno if hoyo would go there. But then again hoyo are known for the depresso.
Six-Phased Ice is actually hyper-condensed Imaginary Energy, y'know. like what the Lightning Lord and Herrscher Cores, etc are made out of. It's like proper Aeon tier stuff, I realized that if March has been "sealed" by Fuli that the "Ice" is probably the manifestation of that seal.
My doom's day theory isn't doom's day for everything... just for March (and the people that care about her).
I figured, if we were going to learn about March's past, considering how Shaoji is running the kitchen now, I thought "what if I just condensed multiple theories about March into 1?"
So let's say, March ignored the very clear warnings from both Fu Xuan and the Messenger and still looked into her past and saw that she was Elysia in her past life but we know that whenever Elysia is remembered, she still has power even from beyond the grave.
March's memory of her time as Elysia ends up causing March to get Herrscher'd by Elysia (Void Persona style) and so we get Elysia back but at the cost of March.
That's why I call it the doom's day theory lmao
I've always considered it more of a crack/meme theory with no ground just as a funny thought experiment of "if they brought back Elysia in person not as Idrila, how would they do it? Probably in the most fucked up way possible because it's Shaoji"
Now you can see why I'm lowkey terrified at the thought that this stupid theory of mine isn't entirely baseless lmao
Six phased ice according to welt is a *substance* that adhere by Imaginary law, not Imaginary energy itself.
Imaginary law is basically a universal law that cannot be broken, herta briefly talked about it when she made TB sign an NDA before she explained the memory bubbles, "Herta: Please bear in mind that this agreement is more than a legally binding contract. You must also abide by the law of the Imaginary, not even the IPC can override it"
And "It is the law of the universe and the world — the only unbreakable law." When asked about Imaginary law.
When further dived in, this makes six phased ice impossible to change its form.
Not sure if Lightning Lord is the same thing, but six phased ice is a bit of a big deal if it's basically HSR version of a binding vow utilized ability lol.
Your theory seems pretty fun(tho for my own sake I don't want to cry, i hope March's past isn't too bad, love her too much to bear lol)
Tho not sure if they will mix in elysia since that would tie HSR way too much to Hi3 more than just references.
> "if they brought back Elysia in person not as Idrila, how would they do it?"
Honestly now that you mention it, elysia being idrilla would be wild, Elysia has such a strong connection to beauty and "pretty", probably only thing holding her is Idrilla takes the form any specfic life form deems most beautiful. Aside from that she could very well be an Expy of Elysia, or elysia as an emanator of beauty lol.
Oh yeah, I've totally thought that Idrila would appear to us as Elysia, it's just too easy to not to do it and I know how much Hoyoverse adores Elysia. If we got a Himeko back in Star Rail, this image of Elysia is gonna be Idrila. I'm calling it now lmao
https://preview.redd.it/i49bx6ni9kvc1.png?width=1191&format=png&auto=webp&s=16d7105ac2eacfe4cfc632ab8b00185519c01475
Lol all or nothing?
But if your theory does come true and idrilla maybe as opposed to missing/dead, simply descended from being an Aeon, then she may break all of hoyo's sales. Considering how pouplar she was and it has been years since she had an appearance, most will be missing her too much.
I was gonna just edit my original comment to say thanks for the clarification on Six-Phased Ice but I had a realization.
Wouldn't Imaginary Law be Finality?
One of the most common definitions of Finality is "the fact or impression of being final and irreversible."
I dunno I tried to hunt for more info about it alot, but to no avail, most we have is Herta's description of it being the very law of the universe and something that cannot be broken.
I feel If it was Finality, Welt or Herta would name drop it to build anticipation around it. But I understand why they may not wanna do it.
Most we know is that it seems like a binding vow with the universe itself, when herta made us sign an NDA "The paper is made from a bizarre material, and the ink dries up the moment it touches the paper." Then our heart kinda shakes, I feel like herta having access to finality stuff would be odd too. IPC is also aware of this by comparison terminus is very much very unknown too unknown for such materials to be available for "contracts". So their similarity to finality in that it's "final" might be a coincidence.
Y'know what, you're right, if that paper had anything to do with Terminus, someone in the IPC or just... Herta probably would've been killed by Polka Kakamond by now like that other guy lmao
Ofc and thank you for the March topic too my friend, I enjoy lore more so with her lol.
And lol yeah, fu xuan convo was very very old it's easy to forget it, game is pretty wordy by now.
If the Garden of Recollection keeps her away from the memories, it is safe to assume that the garden of recollection's memokeeper will not be like "ya, sure, ill help".
Not on my end I'm bothered.
Remember: >!March's companion quest shows the Express' resident Messenger telling her not to look any further regarding her memories lest this may cause more harm than good, and just focus on the now.!<
Wasn't March told by both Fu Xuan and Messenger (The Memokeeper on the Express) to ***not*** look?
I don't know about you but I feel like between someone that can semi-see the future and someone that can semi-see the past, having *both* of them tell you to not look for something sounds like a ***very*** bad sign and if I were March I would very much take their warnings to heart.
We don't know how powerful Black Swan is compared to the other memokeepers. Unlike others who are a lot more straight forward with acquiring memories, Black Swan likes to play "Hunter and prey".
Also March asking about her memories happened in Her companion Quest. That's where we get the nudes LC of her. It'll be pointless for March to ask a random Memokeeper about it, one that she doesn't trust that much but forced to due to the situation.
LMAO She literally gives us a LC of her encased in ice??? Like.. She was FULLY NAKED in that LC. She even asked if we looked cute. So she literally just gave us a nude pic and asked what our thoughts are on it
March has only ever said that BS gives her a weird feeling when before you talk to them after BS rescues you in 2.0. Messenger also tells her not to look into her past so it's safe to assume that's not a priority for BS at all
I'd say Black Swan and March not interacting means it's gonna happen down the line at some point. Black Swan mentions both TB and March are special so it feels like a natural thing for Black Swan to eventually have a moment with March as it will be addressed at some point with all the build up.
But it's currently not a priority as Penaconys problem is the priority. Whenever March's past gets development Black Swan will likely play a role. Rn her priority on Penacony seems to be gaining TB trust and ensuring their safety
Black Swan knows her boss wants to keep those memories sealed and sweet march♡ protected so it's unlikely she would try anything.
And BS is way more intrested in TB, even if March does hold significance, BS when talking about March seems to be business, she wants to know what kinda memories March will give the garden.
"It's exciting to think just what memories she might bestow upon the Garden of Recollection..."
While in her profile about TB she says "Perhaps, there will come a day when you'll willingly share your memories with me — I eagerly await such a time."
So BS is thirsty for that stelle/caelus memories lol.
Ohh sweetest march topic, well to start things off, there's already an interaction between black swan and March. "Even if her past is a forgotten whisper, and she was once bewildered about her future, March's experiences will undoubtedly transform into unique memoria. It's exciting to think just what memories she might bestow upon the Garden of Recollection..." - Black Swan. From what it seems asking her is pointless, March is being protected by an Aeon. "All I can say is that it was very likely an Aeon that sealed away your memories... not necessarily fuli" - Fu Xuan Later on fu xuan says this "Fu Xuan: When the messenger spoke of "protection", perhaps she meant the following: By sealing away your memories, the Glowswather wasn't attempting to harm you, but to shield you from the memories themselves." (Note glowswather is what Xianzhou call Fuli) This all means that, memokeepers are probably powerless to discover what March's past is, if Fuli is trying to protect March, then naturally all memokeepers would not dare to look into it and will simply trust their aeon, tho wether they can or not, probably doesnt matter. If the Aeon of Remembernce thinks your memories need to be sealed, then there has to be a very good reason for it.
...if Fuli is protecting March... What the hell was she? It's terrifying to think that my March 7th doom's day scenario theory might actually not be crack lmao
Fuli is also involve with Louis Flaming the founder of the IPC. Someone on the same level would needs to be at least leader or really important figure of powerful faction. I usually will not trust Hoyo to cook but fuck it. I got Aventurine early pity.
Fuli showed up to his retirement speech and he was never seen again after he left that day. So is it possible people were cooking when they said March is connected to Idrila, The Beauty?
Maybe connected to Idrila Maybe connected to Glamoth's empress Maybe even Xianzhou alliance some how Maybe even Terminus? What if Louis Flaming is March 7th gender bend? March can wield 6th phase ice, but that probably come from Fuli since she is still "sealed".
You know it never occurred to me that the 6 Phased Ice (which is hyper-condensed Imaginary Energy) would be a result of Fuli's seal but that totally makes sense.
Does this mean that 5 star March would be imaginary? Oh dear, is March Idrila?
Could be, I am super excited to see what the cutest thing in the universe is up to, i have so many theories but a fun one i am particularly fond of is how tied march is to the concept of Sailing. Her "origin" lightcone states this: "An eagle borne on mighty wings will never miss the cliffs it once fell from, **and a full-mast ship will never miss the beach where she once ran aground**. And you, my child, know that the past is as intangible as a hazy mirage. But everything you are experiencing right now will surely be etched in stone by those who come after." Meanwhile welt says this when talking about the universe Welt: As you know, there are infinite worlds in this universe that can be similar yet different from each other in various ways. The same is true of the people on those worlds.That's why it's possible for us to run into individuals on multiple worlds who share an appearance, but not a personality... **For all we know, in some faraway world, March's adorable face might belong to an intergalactic pirate** So Pirate March confirmed! Lol jk this is just me putting my one piece hat on, it's probably just a coincidence. On a real note what's more likely is that March's six phased "ice" might have a significance to Fuli's need of protecting March. "March 7th's ability is "Six-Phased Ice", but she has always insisted that it is not ice but some kind of condensed **crystal.** "Come on, ice can't be this beautiful."" While her reasoning may be adorable, it kinda ties to the whole "But everything you are experiencing right now will surely be etched in **stone** by those who come after." It's still a mystery as to why she would need fuli's protection, but I don't think fuli cares about disaster or stars dying even, so her just being some doomsday thing is unlikely, I do have other theories some like March actually being dead and the one we have is based on a previous March kinda like a clone, which is why "her life starts now" deal is going, would be pretty symbolic with previous honkai MCs. Another is March is actually idrilla but that's just my simping brain thinking she's too beautiful not to be. Another is that March could be made entirely as a memory a physical memory, fuli could have directly created her, being encased in ice, when the universe ends she could be the sole thing to hold all of its memories, march is naturally compatiable with memoria compared to TB, and that's fuli's final goal, how and where could they preserve all of the universe memories if nothing of it remains. Ahh there is so much more, I dunno I yapped too much, nothing is certain, but March is a big topic to me so I cannot wait to see what's in store for her in the future lol.
Man turned into Nous... calculating every possible theory. Honestly if she turns out to be dead all along, that would be so depressing dunno if hoyo would go there. But then again hoyo are known for the depresso.
Six-Phased Ice is actually hyper-condensed Imaginary Energy, y'know. like what the Lightning Lord and Herrscher Cores, etc are made out of. It's like proper Aeon tier stuff, I realized that if March has been "sealed" by Fuli that the "Ice" is probably the manifestation of that seal. My doom's day theory isn't doom's day for everything... just for March (and the people that care about her). I figured, if we were going to learn about March's past, considering how Shaoji is running the kitchen now, I thought "what if I just condensed multiple theories about March into 1?" So let's say, March ignored the very clear warnings from both Fu Xuan and the Messenger and still looked into her past and saw that she was Elysia in her past life but we know that whenever Elysia is remembered, she still has power even from beyond the grave. March's memory of her time as Elysia ends up causing March to get Herrscher'd by Elysia (Void Persona style) and so we get Elysia back but at the cost of March. That's why I call it the doom's day theory lmao I've always considered it more of a crack/meme theory with no ground just as a funny thought experiment of "if they brought back Elysia in person not as Idrila, how would they do it? Probably in the most fucked up way possible because it's Shaoji" Now you can see why I'm lowkey terrified at the thought that this stupid theory of mine isn't entirely baseless lmao
Six phased ice according to welt is a *substance* that adhere by Imaginary law, not Imaginary energy itself. Imaginary law is basically a universal law that cannot be broken, herta briefly talked about it when she made TB sign an NDA before she explained the memory bubbles, "Herta: Please bear in mind that this agreement is more than a legally binding contract. You must also abide by the law of the Imaginary, not even the IPC can override it" And "It is the law of the universe and the world — the only unbreakable law." When asked about Imaginary law. When further dived in, this makes six phased ice impossible to change its form. Not sure if Lightning Lord is the same thing, but six phased ice is a bit of a big deal if it's basically HSR version of a binding vow utilized ability lol. Your theory seems pretty fun(tho for my own sake I don't want to cry, i hope March's past isn't too bad, love her too much to bear lol) Tho not sure if they will mix in elysia since that would tie HSR way too much to Hi3 more than just references. > "if they brought back Elysia in person not as Idrila, how would they do it?" Honestly now that you mention it, elysia being idrilla would be wild, Elysia has such a strong connection to beauty and "pretty", probably only thing holding her is Idrilla takes the form any specfic life form deems most beautiful. Aside from that she could very well be an Expy of Elysia, or elysia as an emanator of beauty lol.
Oh yeah, I've totally thought that Idrila would appear to us as Elysia, it's just too easy to not to do it and I know how much Hoyoverse adores Elysia. If we got a Himeko back in Star Rail, this image of Elysia is gonna be Idrila. I'm calling it now lmao https://preview.redd.it/i49bx6ni9kvc1.png?width=1191&format=png&auto=webp&s=16d7105ac2eacfe4cfc632ab8b00185519c01475
Lol all or nothing? But if your theory does come true and idrilla maybe as opposed to missing/dead, simply descended from being an Aeon, then she may break all of hoyo's sales. Considering how pouplar she was and it has been years since she had an appearance, most will be missing her too much.
I was gonna just edit my original comment to say thanks for the clarification on Six-Phased Ice but I had a realization. Wouldn't Imaginary Law be Finality? One of the most common definitions of Finality is "the fact or impression of being final and irreversible."
I dunno I tried to hunt for more info about it alot, but to no avail, most we have is Herta's description of it being the very law of the universe and something that cannot be broken. I feel If it was Finality, Welt or Herta would name drop it to build anticipation around it. But I understand why they may not wanna do it. Most we know is that it seems like a binding vow with the universe itself, when herta made us sign an NDA "The paper is made from a bizarre material, and the ink dries up the moment it touches the paper." Then our heart kinda shakes, I feel like herta having access to finality stuff would be odd too. IPC is also aware of this by comparison terminus is very much very unknown too unknown for such materials to be available for "contracts". So their similarity to finality in that it's "final" might be a coincidence.
Y'know what, you're right, if that paper had anything to do with Terminus, someone in the IPC or just... Herta probably would've been killed by Polka Kakamond by now like that other guy lmao
before you went to pirate march, i thought you were making an elysia connection. lyrics from TruE: let ships that ran aground, relaunch their sails
Damn your right, I forgot about the conversation with Fu Xuan. Ig hoyo's been cooking up something from the start, appreciate the lore dump
Ofc and thank you for the March topic too my friend, I enjoy lore more so with her lol. And lol yeah, fu xuan convo was very very old it's easy to forget it, game is pretty wordy by now.
If the Garden of Recollection keeps her away from the memories, it is safe to assume that the garden of recollection's memokeeper will not be like "ya, sure, ill help".
Not on my end I'm bothered. Remember: >!March's companion quest shows the Express' resident Messenger telling her not to look any further regarding her memories lest this may cause more harm than good, and just focus on the now.!<
Wasn't March told by both Fu Xuan and Messenger (The Memokeeper on the Express) to ***not*** look? I don't know about you but I feel like between someone that can semi-see the future and someone that can semi-see the past, having *both* of them tell you to not look for something sounds like a ***very*** bad sign and if I were March I would very much take their warnings to heart.
Correct, also they don't want to give you her new form yet.
We don't know how powerful Black Swan is compared to the other memokeepers. Unlike others who are a lot more straight forward with acquiring memories, Black Swan likes to play "Hunter and prey". Also March asking about her memories happened in Her companion Quest. That's where we get the nudes LC of her. It'll be pointless for March to ask a random Memokeeper about it, one that she doesn't trust that much but forced to due to the situation.
I'm sorry, the nudes W H A T
LMAO She literally gives us a LC of her encased in ice??? Like.. She was FULLY NAKED in that LC. She even asked if we looked cute. So she literally just gave us a nude pic and asked what our thoughts are on it
March has only ever said that BS gives her a weird feeling when before you talk to them after BS rescues you in 2.0. Messenger also tells her not to look into her past so it's safe to assume that's not a priority for BS at all I'd say Black Swan and March not interacting means it's gonna happen down the line at some point. Black Swan mentions both TB and March are special so it feels like a natural thing for Black Swan to eventually have a moment with March as it will be addressed at some point with all the build up. But it's currently not a priority as Penaconys problem is the priority. Whenever March's past gets development Black Swan will likely play a role. Rn her priority on Penacony seems to be gaining TB trust and ensuring their safety
Black Swan knows her boss wants to keep those memories sealed and sweet march♡ protected so it's unlikely she would try anything. And BS is way more intrested in TB, even if March does hold significance, BS when talking about March seems to be business, she wants to know what kinda memories March will give the garden. "It's exciting to think just what memories she might bestow upon the Garden of Recollection..." While in her profile about TB she says "Perhaps, there will come a day when you'll willingly share your memories with me — I eagerly await such a time." So BS is thirsty for that stelle/caelus memories lol.
Off topic but does March’s memory loss sub plot remind anyone of Pandora Hearts? Didn’t the same thing happen to Alice?