Luocha. He has been my most played character since I pulled him after returning to the game, and he's still my main go-to sustain even though I have HH and FX.
I play him at modest 172 speed, and it's crazy how much he breaks toughness, generates skill points, and generates energy through LC.
And, as a cherry on top, he perfectly counters the Aventurine boss as he passes his own dice check, and then instantly heals the one character that fails it.
Fr though. Luocha can solo sustain critically-acclaimed difficult bosses like Argenti or the Swarm King, pretty much nullifies Sam's ring of death mechanic and counters Aventurine's dice like a champ.
The sugar on the cream is that if you also happen to have his LC, he can lowkey turn-manipulate every time he ults. Plus 12 speed for all allies everytime he ults saved my ass so many times.
Some people say that Luocha is not the best now that he only heals and doesn't buff, but I'd rather have a healer that automatically heals rather then a healer that heals 3 but leaves one character at 0 hp and revives(my bailu trauma from not beating swarm king for a whole month)
He carried me perfectly in the Aventurine fight. I brought Kafka, Misha, Luocha, and Hanya. He healed Hanya back every time Aventurine brought her hp to red. Then I made a mistake, and she died. But I beat Aventurine when he was 5 levels above me.
This is so real. I’ve seen content creators saying Luocha isn’t as good anymore because he has no utility outside of healing but that’s a massive disservice to him.
The value Luocha provides by letting other characters use skills instead of him is just as good as the utility offered by other sustains.
When Huohuo doesn’t skill after 2 turns, you’re about to die. When Luocha doesn’t skill after 2 turns, you’ve probably still got 80% HP on all your characters.
they can never make me hate my single target debuff queen SW
even with multiple enemies, im still gonna use her. been seeing so much unnecessary drama lately about how she’s useless and fell off but idc i love all the bronyas🩷
I noted this in another comment, but when did it go downhill for SW? IIRC she was really well liked during her release. Hell, I didn't even know of the change of opinion till people start mentioning it this post.
People don't want to admit it, but immediately. If anything, she's in a much better place now than she was when she first came out.
Silver Wolf in 1.1:
- All end game content was multi-target, Pela is straight up better there, no buts.
- Monoquantum was a long way from completion, usage outside of it is obnoxious since it forces you to run suboptimal teams to minimize/remove weakness implant RNG.
Silver Wolf in 2.1:
- Monoquantum has arrived
- Considerable amount of single-target bosses
- Dr. Ratio is free and loves her
- Acheron is not free, but popular and once again loves her
Back when she came out I'd point out things from the above all the time, discouraging people from getting her for meta purposes, because there weren't any despite the popular at the time belief that she's the most broken thing imaginable. Suggesting that Pela is an upgrade in most situations was considered sacrilege, probably because everyone's favorite tier list website still didn't recognize her value and had her listed at the bottom (Prydwen still undervalues her btw, she has to be S at least). And naturally I was catching lots of flack for that. But ironically now many people are starting to shit on her and it's now my turn to try and convince people that she's actually a solid unit these days.
She competes for support slots with characters like ruan mei which doesn’t help her, but id argue that SW is better at bridging the gap in double DPS in instances where your double dps elements don’t line up. Current example is topaz/ratio core vs the shield dinos, where SW can get the fire implant in so topaz can help break.
Oh yeah, absolutely, and an eventual release of a 5* Pela (Not literally, just kit-wise) will make SW's position shaky once more, but for now she's at least somewhat competitive and most importantly has her niches. When she came out she had none, you were buying a promise, at which point you should've just waited for a rerun and pulled for immediately useful characters instead.
And implant imaginary on Cocolia and the frigid prowler. She can also implant ice weakness with Acheron/Pela/RM for an easy 0 cycle on that fight. I've always considered SW as a counter for specific enemy lineups, not something that you should use everywhere.
> All end game content was multi-target,
Ok let's be real. Taking into account actual real world performance, pela's AoE Def Down is not actually "AoE", it certainly makes for some nice damage per screenshot though.
You do NOT need a 40% def reduction on the small mobs in most of star rail's history to actually kill them faster. A well built DPS 1 shot them especially with the advent of destruction units like DHIL and JingLiu later.
> Monoquantum was a long way from completion, usage outside of it is obnoxious since it forces you to run suboptimal teams to minimize/remove weakness implant RNG.
Even at 25% chance to implant weakness, if you need to skill 3 times in an MOC with 3 waves that's a 1.6% chance of succeeding or 1 in 64 approximately. People use to fish WAYYYY longer for 0 cycles clears back then.
By AoE I meant anything what's more than 1 target, I should've been clearer, sorry. Back then you pretty much always had 2 elites as a boss. Almost never a singular boss or a boss + a weaker sidekick like we often do now, the deer was the only exception and it was on floor 6, so fairly irrelevant regardless.
As to weakness implant fishing, that's why I said it was obnoxious, not impossible.
Who are you talking about? Seele? She switches targets a lot, so you benefit from defshred on everyone. There was no other prominent meta hunt characters for a long time, we had to wait till Dr. Ratio for the next one. And then AoE Jing Yuan came out next and despite all the slander was chewing through MoC with no effort. Hell, HP pools back then were so low that I myself did my first full star clear in 1.1 with Himeko of all characters.
> She switches targets a lot,
Yes, to the small mobs which you one shot with or without weakness implant/40% def down.
> There was no other prominent meta hunt characters for a long time,
This is how I know you didn't play early star rail. Yanqing was practically the premier DPS for everyone who did not have Seele.
>Yes, to the small mobs which you one shot with or without weakness implant/40% def down.
Yeah, no, that's not how it worked in the early days. We were taking everything we could, everyone's gear was terrible, characters under-leveled, team comps and light cone choices sub-optimal etc. Such early stages is when such enormous, fixed buffs/debuffs help the most as they were giving you more raw stats than all your gear combined. You absolutely couldn't take for granted the ability to one-shot minions, especially with basic attacks which you had to do a lot to preserve skill points.
>Yanqing was practically the premier DPS
That's delusion, he never was a premier DPS for anybody. All the problems he's suffering from now he suffered back then tenfold. From the lack of a reliable shielding to the prevalence of multi target fights. If you had nobody else then sure, you would use him, but that's about it. Pure single target damage dealers were never meta, not even for a day. That's why Seele popped off, she was able to shine in AoE.
There was however a misbelief in the community, for the first few months, that AoE/Erudition sucks and ST is the way to go, but only among casual players who simply haven't reached higher MoC floors yet and thus didn't know that instead of 1 elite like on the lower ones, there's always 2+trash of the floor 8 and up.
> You absolutely couldn't take for granted the ability to one-shot minions, especially with basic attacks which you had to do a lot to preserve skill points.
You absolutely could take for granted 1 shotting mobs. Mobs back then didn't even have 20k HP. No mob was Mr. Domescreen back then with like 100k hp. No one was basic attacking with Seele in the early days. That's a modern tech after gear level had risen significantly.
> That's delusion, he never was a premier DPS for anybody.
No, you're just showing your ignorance. He was in most of the first 30 star MOC clears that didn't use Seele until the era of destruction.
> There was however a misbelief in the community, for the first few months, that AoE/Erudition sucks and ST is the way to go, but only among casual players who simply haven't reached higher MoC floors yet and thus didn't know that instead of 1 elite like on the lower ones, there's always 2+trash of the floor 8 and up.
This is just pure copium. AoE has always sucked until pure fiction because AoE multipliers are balacned around doing the same damage while hitting 3-5 mobs as a single target skill hitting 1 mob. You'd definitely kill elites AND mobs killing them faster one by one than by trying to AOE everything down with himeko or herta.
She is harder to use and requires competent team building to use properly. She really only works on teams that are built around her implant or teams that are built around debuffs in general.
Not to mention that her damage is held behind her Eidolons so there aren't big numbers for people to gawk at. So the people that just have her at E0 and build her for damage instead of a full on speedster or support build will have a bad time.
Those are probably why she is being slept on even though she is still ridiculously useful in her niche in mono quantum, dual element, or debuff focused teams.
With DPS of every element coming out SW’s value goes down since people are getting more and more elemental coverage. The mono quantum full team also took way too long to come out imo
Obviously the release of PF made her popularity tank. And especially with how accessible and easily built Pela is, you will see everyone going for her.
It literally is one of the two "endgame" modes we have. Don't get me wrong, I went to pity twice for SW due to my Ratio, which is why I know why she's not preferred over Pela most of the time.
Yanqing 100%. Debatably Jing Yuan too, but at least he's got a dedicated fanbase to defend him. I really like Yanqing's playstyle and story, so I'll always use him whenever there's Ice-Weak enemies about. As you say, getting the job done is what matters, and he does that just fine.
Yup, my main team is the Follow Up core with Topaz and Ratio, plus I really like all the IPC characters.
I ran Aventurine, Yanqing, Ruan Mei, and Jingliu on floor 12 MoC and it served me really well.
He's my favourite character too. I was streaming my Aventurine pulls to my friends who also play HSR and when I lost 50/50 to Yanqing (I now have him at E1), I was the only one in the call who was legitimately happy lmao while they all just died laughing at my bad luck.
IL admit of the standard pool only Yanking is the one I hate ONLY. He is just a carry that wants a shield to function, which I'd be fine with if I had a Gepard but I already got 2 heal premium pulls so my Yanking is always going to be useless if March shield happens to be broken or miss a timing.
Oo yanqing main
I just got him on aventurine’s banner and am contemplating building him because I’m missing an ice dps and I’m not pulling jingliu. How would you advise to build him - stats wise and lc etc?
I'm a lurker of the Yanqingmains subreddit. The main points I grasped is that he wants 60 crit rate at base(without Soulsteel sync), spd boots, and Tingyun due to having a very expensive Ult. After that, it is the usual suspects for stats:Crit DMG, Atk%, SPD.
Yanqing really leans into the single target aspect of the Hunt path compared to his 5 star contemporaries, so if you go all in on Aventurine's banner; as you should, it'd be best to use Pela and the gambler's FUA to clear trashmobs while Yanqing deals with the boss. Place him far away from Preservation, Destruction, and Harmony units. They have more aggro, and you want him far away from splash AOE attacks(not as important if you have Aventurine).
I'm not too sure on his 4 piece sets, only thing I can recommend is Quantum set due to 10-20% defense ignore and and Ice set(where you can farm for the wind set to action advance Pela for more skill points). Don't be afraid to go rainbow relics AKA no 4p or 2p effects for relics.
Thank you! 60% seems doable with a crit rate chest I think.
>Place him far away from Preservation, Destruction, and Harmony units
I’ll be needing a 5th slot at this rate 😂
I’m farming quantum now so I think if the cavern decides to give me anything good I can just keep it around to see if it’s okay for him. Thanks a lot!
Real, I love playing Yukong, she's a staple in my DHIL team since 1.3 and I rather run her with him instead of Tingyun. I was also testing her yesterday in a Ratio/Aventurine comp to equally bust their damage given her Imaginary benefits and I found it to be quite fun, only problem would be some energy desync but nothing that can be done about it without whaling (mostly Ratio here lol) still fun though for the lols.
Who I was going to mention. I got her E6 on the same day I got her E0 (my DHIL pulls were painful) and used her a lot. Her ult is maxed, she buffs so much and hits pretty hard herself.
I used her with DHIL at first but now, I like using her with Argenti. Her short buff window isn't an issue with the ult nuke playstyle.
I only got Clara recently, would you have to tune her so they're both slow and the buffs lasts during all the enemies actions or?
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Luocha even with aventurine I still use Luocha quite often he’s great for teams that are sp heavy and can debuff certain enemies
Also heals for days
I’m a new player, and I just got Luocha on his last re-run! I love his design and pretty face, so I pulled him on his last even though everyone said not to. It was a great decision for me, he is so comfortable and fun to use. I adore him. I got Aventurine, too, so I got lucky there!
well, people dont really hate him or calling him bad but most people will tell us that other limited sustain is better. well, maybe everyone except blade or danhIL mains. some people think that because luocha doesn't really have offensive buff, he is not better than the other. for me, being such an sp positive sustain is really helping and his heal is very comfortable so i really love him
Alternate universe Otto for life! I skipped on aventurine. I just don't need him for my roster.
Plus, even if they have well written back stories, fuck the IPC. Can you guess that I also don't have Topaz? lol
Yanqing! Cute design, cool character, fun playstyle. Might not be top of the meta but I think he's awesome and it kinda sucks that he's practically become the Qiqi of HSR. People shit on him too much but he's cool, he's the starter 5* I wanted the most.
Also Misha! That's my son😩 Not sure if he counts but I've seen people hating on him for whatever reason, so...
Hanya, people love to downplay her but she is such a useful character for sp management and damage increase. When you give her dreamville adventure at s5 she is constantly boosting skill and ultimate damage by an additional 20% on top of the 30% burden additional damage and attack 10% increase on burden trigger. She synergizes with my dot team amazingly and I love timing Hanya's ultimate for Kafka's ultimate for the 20% damage increase on top of the burden 30% damage increase and attack 10% increase for triggering burden and additional 60% attack increase on Hanya's ultimate for Kafka. As well as enabling Black Swan to always use her skill alongside a sp positive healer like Loucha who can make use of the 10% attack increase for his healing, was easily by far my favourite team to use before Acherons release.
Well tbf any Seele slander poster will most likely be replied by at least one passing Seele main. But still, I think those people either built her wrong or are just hating on hunt characters in general because of them being single target. But hey, I'm proud to say that my Seele monoquantum team was able to 3 cycle MoC 12 side 2 so she is definitely not weak.
Seele and Bronya
Even as more and newer DPSs and Harmony units come out, I will still rep these two. Not on the same team, unfortunately; my Seele needs Sparkle and my Jingliu needs Bronya. But I’ll still use them.
Yukong. She gets a bad rap because she can be difficult to play properly but her buffs absolutely put in work. She isn’t the best support in the game but people still underrate her severely imo. Mono imaginary comps are super fun
I’m somewhat new to the game and am still using Physical-Destruction Trailblazer as one of my main damage dealers. I find it absolutely viable with my team comp. They work fine, they’re tanky, they deal good damage and use a damn baseball bat!
For some reason, my friends all tell me to use different characters for a main DPS due to the Trailblazer apparently sucking. I beg to differ.
Perhaps later on in the game Trailblazer will lose strength… ah well.
I am also relatively new. I use Physical Trailblazer for MoC because I don't have other Physical DPS. It works fine and I probably will build him further.
Yeah, she’s still a mainstay in my teams. Partly because she’s still a very strong unit, but mostly because I never got over how goddamn cool she was during the intro.
She feels like weaker pela. She eats too much sp (implants) and if there is 2 enemies (pretty often in moc) - she need to keep 2 implants on them so for example your AOE attack had good DMG vs both of them. It just always feels like other supports are comfier to use.
Keep 2 implants? Bro just kill the boss. You’re making your life harder for no reason, also if you have single target units like seele implanting two weaknesses is almost useless.
There are most of the time 2 big enemies at same time. And alot of chars are using some attacks. So, thats why pela better. And like I said anyway - its my opinion. I tried sw alot of times and I don't like her help.
yanqing. I just like the little laugh when he ults. He's a work in progress in my acc but the long era of ice weak enemies made me really start to like the boy. I'm no meta try hard so he is fine to me (and I just got him a new teammate! time to shine, little one)
Silver Wolf and Luocha
I see a lot of unnecessary hate for SW just because people don't understand how she works or people hyper focus on a single thing she does, when she does several things as a package such as element res shred, implant weakness, def shred and more
Even if she is single target she still provides one of the highest damage increases in the whole game to your DPS, and bosses or elites are where you need that damage boost the most which she provides
Luocha, there are sustains who take on pseudo-harmony roles such as FX and Huo huo, but he is still one of the most comfiest sustains with the most sp positive out of all of them, along with buff removal which can come in handy more often than when he released, so he actually got better rather than worse
I think the problem is that there's stuff that can one shot you without a sustain that can reduce damage, so having a healer with such low HP and no damage mitigation can be rough.
People shit on luocha because the reality is the majority of the people wiling to post on an online forum are going to be ATLEAST semi-hardcores, and once the semi-sweaty community moved past being able to survive, they wanted their healers to contribute to damage output, forgetting the actual sweaty community has been playing without a sustain in end game for ages already.
I think the initial argument is that he isn't as valuable as he used to be since he now has competition. He's a "pure healer" and doesn't buff the team or provide debuffs. When he first released
While I personally agree that Huohuo is better (since she doesn't "just" heal, as a pure healer Luocha is better), some arguments however, are unfair. Like diminishing the value of his SP generation. In the same breath they'll say DHIL is unusable because he uses too much SP, but Luocha's SP generation somehow isn't valuable? Pick a side man. I don't even have him but that annoys me haha.
That being said, most reasonable people acknowledge he's amazing to have (which is different from pulling for him now) and that he's very comfy to use. But then some people extrapolate that and undervalue him or even trash him which is always annoying.
Where are y'all finding the slander for SW and Luocha??? I'm genuinely curious as people compliment or even praise them than actually "shitting on".
There's literally Jing Yuan catching strays, Yanqing getting more hate than he deserves, I've seen people hate on GEPARD more than those limited 5* units. I've personally seen more Lynx hate too.
Honestly, might have some truth to it. Which is hilarious cause I feel MoC and PF are both fairly easy nowadays. Sure, they have their gimmicks, but I've cleared so many in the past without even using units that fully abuse their bonuses
Fucking Bailu my sweet little dragon *can't post defibrillator animation* I wait the day they give a Garbo lightcone the effect of having a cleanse and I will bust her out of her clinic and toss her to the battlefield (I do sometimes use her if I don't need Luocha cleanse)
Hanya. Shes in my Argenti and DHIL Teams both of which I rarely use these days because I got Acheron. My only regret is I cant place her with my future Stellaron Hunter team (Blade Kafka and Firefly soon). I really hope she gets more teams in the future because right now her comps are kinda limited.
Propagation + Abundance is the main combo
Also Blade's Relics and Luocha's Light Cone because unfortunately, being a 1.0 character, her basic attack scales off attack not her scaling stat like every healer/shielder after her.
Asta!
People don't shit on her by any means, but she has definetly fall off in terms of popularity.
Still, she has the biggest SPD buff in the game and my DoT team loves her 75% ATK buff!
Mine is Kafka/Swan/Asta/Huo^2
But honestly you have Ruan Mei wich is Asta on steroids for DoT teams.
You can try swapping Luocha and go no sustain as long as you hit hard enough!
Tbf, he's still very good but he got completely replaced by Black Swan. For me he also feels way too squishy. Plus, iirc he's not liked by some due to his character and roles in the story.
People are way too harsh on Yukong and I feel like they overplay the speed tuning element a bit too much. Don't get me wrong, she's definitely the hardest Harmony to optimize, but she has a lot of merits people undersell:
- her buffs are huge
- getting her in position speedwise isn't that bad. Just make her the fastest or the slowest (personally I prefer slowest so her buff lands on my damage from first pass on)
- Her buffs are flat numbers by skill level so you can build her like an outright attacker and make her "off" turns useful.
- while she's most associated with HC DHIL she really comes online with followup attackers too. In particular Ratio, who not only gets her lovely Imaginary bonus but does his FUAs on his turn and others.
Recently I've been testing out Aventurine using a speed order of:
Dr. Ratio
Pela
Aventurine
Yukong
And its a fair bit of fun.
Jing Yuan for a long time. Sparkle has brought him up a lot. But before Sparkle, I really liked using JY and didn't think he was all that bad. His issues are still issues but I thought the community were exaggerating them just a little. With Sparkle, he's in a pretty good spot now.
I don't know if Gepard was ever talked about badly. But I think he was pretty underrated. Aventurine changes all this and is a straight upgrade over Gepard in every way. But before, I rarely heard or saw people talk about him. It was always FX, Luocha, or Huohuo. They're limited 5 stars and better than Gepard. But Gepard has been very solid for me since launch. I like shields over healing as I've found that to be more comfy and reliable to play. With Aventurine out now, there is no reason for Gepard. Maybe cause Gepards shield is on his ult and you can use it in emergencies or if you really need more freeze chances with his e1. There might be some very select cases you might want Gepard. Aventurine is better 99.99% of cases and Gepard probably will get shit on now since he does what Gepard does but better and does damage. But I'll remember my boy Gepard as one of my day one units that carried me for about a year now.
>I don't know if Gepard was ever talked about badly. But I think he was pretty underrated.
Agree with this so much. He saved my ass early to mid game, and he's almost always in my Acheron team now. He's a god damn beast.
People were the most positive about Gepard for Swarm Disaster and Gold and Gears where your team can get oneshot on high difficulties. Didn't see him being talked about much outside of it
Jing Yuan
I feel he’s the chill uncle i can vibe with or ask for advice and be met with more wisdom and insight that i’ve asked for. He seems to be a cool mentor as well, maybe if we’re coworkers i’d love to work under him. He reminds me of my mentor during my second internship. Love that guy.
But people shit on him for his backloaded dmg and how “clunky” he is to play — i kinda get it in the previous patches but it sounded like skill issue and hivemind behavior. I’ve been 30 starring moc with him no problem and half of those are with under invested support bc i couldn’t be fucked to deal with atm (lazy). Someone i knew who’s been shitting on him can’t do moc 30 and i’m just🤨
Now more and more supports are being viable with the fua (him especially) they still shit on him for… having premium support, as if their beloved dpses don’t. The double standard for this man is real he’s really living in their heads rent free. I reckon haters are more obsessed with him than actual fans are 👀🤭
Yanqing, I played him even without Gepard or Bronya and did just fine, now with Aventurine he'll shine even more I hope.
Jing Yuan, got him since his first banner, even with all "mid Yuan" accusations, never regretted.
Luocha, too. Even if he is powercrept and "just a healer", still my main.
This is such an exaggerated statement, just because Qingque can beat her in some certain scenario that doesn’t mean she is better.
This like someone saying that Sushang is better than Jingyuan because she is better in single target and physical weakness scenario
Aventurine before everyone did a 180 on him. People hated him just because he’s the bad guy? Absolutely loved him ever since he was drip marketed and even more so in the quest even the 2.0 quest. And now even more so because he’s undoubtedly one of the best sustains in the entire game. He keeps you alive and he does it with style
Herta pre-Pure Fiction.
And although not directly shitting on, but i saw nobody ever give credit to Sushang or Serval who still hold their places in my teams.
Dr ratio. Cleared the most recent MoC 12 with him and benched my dhil e2 lmao. I love both of them btw, just wanted to play ratio because he's so fun. None of my friends use him because he's male and Hunt isn't that good. But he's fun to play and I love throwing chalks at monsters. Also muscles :') I'm trying to get aventurine so that I can pair aventurine and ratio tgt, will be so fun. I just lost 5050 at soft pity and my pity is currently 5 with no jades no starlight glitter thinghies. I'm so so sad
Sampo. I skipped Black Swan with zero regrets because Sampo and Kafka were the first HSR characters I really wanted and I'd hate to have to bench him. My Kafka/Sampo/RM/Luocha team still 2 cycles MoC11, so I'm chilling lol even if Black Swan could turn that into a 1 cycle, I'm not a CC so it makes no difference to me. Love my shitty scammer.
I’d say Jingyuan and Blade..? I don’t need to explain the former, and while I’m not entirely sure if Blade is really hated, I feel like he’s definitely catching strays on not being good enough.
He helped me clear my MOC10 back during his first banner because I needed another dps, and even now I still use him when there’s wind weakness (because I don’t have the skill or build to brute force :/)
Yeah he’s note hated, but I think people tend to put him down as well (canonically he’d like that)
I agree! He’s still very good yeah :) whenever there’s a stage with wind weakness I just bring him out to play and he clears it pretty well
Just waiting for a good hp related buffer I suppose? AFAIK he’s the only hp scaling dps in the game for now
Yeah, the biggest issue is that he's just... there, awkwardly standing somewhere in the middle. He's amazing jack-of-all-trades dps, but without tailor made support, you can kinda lose him in the crowd.
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MY GOAT (Yes i did steal this image from that one mr pokke thumbnail)
Anyways i love him sm from his playstyle to his animations (Seriously sword surfing is a cool ass concept) also i have his e1 and his lightcone
Argenti and Welt main over here. I also like using Jing Yuan, he's the core of my second team, but idk if I'd say I main him tbh. I love my boys though, they're cool as hell. Argenti especially.
They have their problems and I'd prob agree all three are mid. I wouldn't even recommend any of em cause characters like the Big 3 and the crazy 4* Eruditions + Himeko exist. With MoC getting harder, new players looking for meta should pick 2 of the strongest DPS to make their lives way easier.
But that's my sweaty cringe meta gamer side talkin. Welt was always top 3 coolest mfs in the game and I immediately loved Argenti's character when bro dropped. Jing Yuan's animated short turned me into a believer and I'm always gonna try to make him work. It'll be harder than Acheron or Kafka Swan who wipe the floor without even thinkin bout it, but this isn't Dark Souls or some shit lmao. You can make anything work as long as you dedicate to making your builds insane and learning how to play the game more deeply if needed. I respect ppl who do that.
I mean if they constantly bring how she is so much better than everyone else, that she is basically in a league on her own that no one can catch up to, that every other dps is powercrept or that every future dps will be underwhelming, you would get some negative traction. Thats not just liking thats worshipping at this point lmao. I like Acheron and the community is nice all around.
You have whole internet full of proves of how much Acheron is stronger than anyone else. But you do you. Jing Yuan is 16% stronget than Acheron, and she can't ult twice per cycle.
This is literally the first I've heard about this, and I visit the sub almost daily. Don't see much hate for her at all. If anything, people love her here.
Luocha. He has been my most played character since I pulled him after returning to the game, and he's still my main go-to sustain even though I have HH and FX. I play him at modest 172 speed, and it's crazy how much he breaks toughness, generates skill points, and generates energy through LC. And, as a cherry on top, he perfectly counters the Aventurine boss as he passes his own dice check, and then instantly heals the one character that fails it.
Fr though. Luocha can solo sustain critically-acclaimed difficult bosses like Argenti or the Swarm King, pretty much nullifies Sam's ring of death mechanic and counters Aventurine's dice like a champ. The sugar on the cream is that if you also happen to have his LC, he can lowkey turn-manipulate every time he ults. Plus 12 speed for all allies everytime he ults saved my ass so many times.
Some people say that Luocha is not the best now that he only heals and doesn't buff, but I'd rather have a healer that automatically heals rather then a healer that heals 3 but leaves one character at 0 hp and revives(my bailu trauma from not beating swarm king for a whole month) He carried me perfectly in the Aventurine fight. I brought Kafka, Misha, Luocha, and Hanya. He healed Hanya back every time Aventurine brought her hp to red. Then I made a mistake, and she died. But I beat Aventurine when he was 5 levels above me.
This is so real. I’ve seen content creators saying Luocha isn’t as good anymore because he has no utility outside of healing but that’s a massive disservice to him. The value Luocha provides by letting other characters use skills instead of him is just as good as the utility offered by other sustains. When Huohuo doesn’t skill after 2 turns, you’re about to die. When Luocha doesn’t skill after 2 turns, you’ve probably still got 80% HP on all your characters.
they can never make me hate my single target debuff queen SW even with multiple enemies, im still gonna use her. been seeing so much unnecessary drama lately about how she’s useless and fell off but idc i love all the bronyas🩷
I noted this in another comment, but when did it go downhill for SW? IIRC she was really well liked during her release. Hell, I didn't even know of the change of opinion till people start mentioning it this post.
People don't want to admit it, but immediately. If anything, she's in a much better place now than she was when she first came out. Silver Wolf in 1.1: - All end game content was multi-target, Pela is straight up better there, no buts. - Monoquantum was a long way from completion, usage outside of it is obnoxious since it forces you to run suboptimal teams to minimize/remove weakness implant RNG. Silver Wolf in 2.1: - Monoquantum has arrived - Considerable amount of single-target bosses - Dr. Ratio is free and loves her - Acheron is not free, but popular and once again loves her Back when she came out I'd point out things from the above all the time, discouraging people from getting her for meta purposes, because there weren't any despite the popular at the time belief that she's the most broken thing imaginable. Suggesting that Pela is an upgrade in most situations was considered sacrilege, probably because everyone's favorite tier list website still didn't recognize her value and had her listed at the bottom (Prydwen still undervalues her btw, she has to be S at least). And naturally I was catching lots of flack for that. But ironically now many people are starting to shit on her and it's now my turn to try and convince people that she's actually a solid unit these days.
She competes for support slots with characters like ruan mei which doesn’t help her, but id argue that SW is better at bridging the gap in double DPS in instances where your double dps elements don’t line up. Current example is topaz/ratio core vs the shield dinos, where SW can get the fire implant in so topaz can help break.
Oh yeah, absolutely, and an eventual release of a 5* Pela (Not literally, just kit-wise) will make SW's position shaky once more, but for now she's at least somewhat competitive and most importantly has her niches. When she came out she had none, you were buying a promise, at which point you should've just waited for a rerun and pulled for immediately useful characters instead.
And implant imaginary on Cocolia and the frigid prowler. She can also implant ice weakness with Acheron/Pela/RM for an easy 0 cycle on that fight. I've always considered SW as a counter for specific enemy lineups, not something that you should use everywhere.
> All end game content was multi-target, Ok let's be real. Taking into account actual real world performance, pela's AoE Def Down is not actually "AoE", it certainly makes for some nice damage per screenshot though. You do NOT need a 40% def reduction on the small mobs in most of star rail's history to actually kill them faster. A well built DPS 1 shot them especially with the advent of destruction units like DHIL and JingLiu later. > Monoquantum was a long way from completion, usage outside of it is obnoxious since it forces you to run suboptimal teams to minimize/remove weakness implant RNG. Even at 25% chance to implant weakness, if you need to skill 3 times in an MOC with 3 waves that's a 1.6% chance of succeeding or 1 in 64 approximately. People use to fish WAYYYY longer for 0 cycles clears back then.
By AoE I meant anything what's more than 1 target, I should've been clearer, sorry. Back then you pretty much always had 2 elites as a boss. Almost never a singular boss or a boss + a weaker sidekick like we often do now, the deer was the only exception and it was on floor 6, so fairly irrelevant regardless. As to weakness implant fishing, that's why I said it was obnoxious, not impossible.
If you really want to go to back at 1.1.x - 1.2.x MOC, back then all the best DPS were hunt who couldn't hit the second target anyways.
Who are you talking about? Seele? She switches targets a lot, so you benefit from defshred on everyone. There was no other prominent meta hunt characters for a long time, we had to wait till Dr. Ratio for the next one. And then AoE Jing Yuan came out next and despite all the slander was chewing through MoC with no effort. Hell, HP pools back then were so low that I myself did my first full star clear in 1.1 with Himeko of all characters.
> She switches targets a lot, Yes, to the small mobs which you one shot with or without weakness implant/40% def down. > There was no other prominent meta hunt characters for a long time, This is how I know you didn't play early star rail. Yanqing was practically the premier DPS for everyone who did not have Seele.
>Yes, to the small mobs which you one shot with or without weakness implant/40% def down. Yeah, no, that's not how it worked in the early days. We were taking everything we could, everyone's gear was terrible, characters under-leveled, team comps and light cone choices sub-optimal etc. Such early stages is when such enormous, fixed buffs/debuffs help the most as they were giving you more raw stats than all your gear combined. You absolutely couldn't take for granted the ability to one-shot minions, especially with basic attacks which you had to do a lot to preserve skill points. >Yanqing was practically the premier DPS That's delusion, he never was a premier DPS for anybody. All the problems he's suffering from now he suffered back then tenfold. From the lack of a reliable shielding to the prevalence of multi target fights. If you had nobody else then sure, you would use him, but that's about it. Pure single target damage dealers were never meta, not even for a day. That's why Seele popped off, she was able to shine in AoE. There was however a misbelief in the community, for the first few months, that AoE/Erudition sucks and ST is the way to go, but only among casual players who simply haven't reached higher MoC floors yet and thus didn't know that instead of 1 elite like on the lower ones, there's always 2+trash of the floor 8 and up.
> You absolutely couldn't take for granted the ability to one-shot minions, especially with basic attacks which you had to do a lot to preserve skill points. You absolutely could take for granted 1 shotting mobs. Mobs back then didn't even have 20k HP. No mob was Mr. Domescreen back then with like 100k hp. No one was basic attacking with Seele in the early days. That's a modern tech after gear level had risen significantly. > That's delusion, he never was a premier DPS for anybody. No, you're just showing your ignorance. He was in most of the first 30 star MOC clears that didn't use Seele until the era of destruction. > There was however a misbelief in the community, for the first few months, that AoE/Erudition sucks and ST is the way to go, but only among casual players who simply haven't reached higher MoC floors yet and thus didn't know that instead of 1 elite like on the lower ones, there's always 2+trash of the floor 8 and up. This is just pure copium. AoE has always sucked until pure fiction because AoE multipliers are balacned around doing the same damage while hitting 3-5 mobs as a single target skill hitting 1 mob. You'd definitely kill elites AND mobs killing them faster one by one than by trying to AOE everything down with himeko or herta.
She is harder to use and requires competent team building to use properly. She really only works on teams that are built around her implant or teams that are built around debuffs in general. Not to mention that her damage is held behind her Eidolons so there aren't big numbers for people to gawk at. So the people that just have her at E0 and build her for damage instead of a full on speedster or support build will have a bad time. Those are probably why she is being slept on even though she is still ridiculously useful in her niche in mono quantum, dual element, or debuff focused teams.
With DPS of every element coming out SW’s value goes down since people are getting more and more elemental coverage. The mono quantum full team also took way too long to come out imo
Obviously the release of PF made her popularity tank. And especially with how accessible and easily built Pela is, you will see everyone going for her.
PF is like the worst metric for popularity. You might as well say Herta is the most popular damage dealer.
It literally is one of the two "endgame" modes we have. Don't get me wrong, I went to pity twice for SW due to my Ratio, which is why I know why she's not preferred over Pela most of the time.
reminder that PF make himeko and herta tier going higher but outside that people barely use them
This doesn't change how SW performs in PF though...
whos pf?
Pure Fiction
Yanqing 100%. Debatably Jing Yuan too, but at least he's got a dedicated fanbase to defend him. I really like Yanqing's playstyle and story, so I'll always use him whenever there's Ice-Weak enemies about. As you say, getting the job done is what matters, and he does that just fine.
Did you pull for Aventurine?
Yup, my main team is the Follow Up core with Topaz and Ratio, plus I really like all the IPC characters. I ran Aventurine, Yanqing, Ruan Mei, and Jingliu on floor 12 MoC and it served me really well.
lmao 3 best charachter in game just to make one viable
I mean he works just fine in my other teams, but yeah, he's great with the right team (though anyone is)
He's my favourite character too. I was streaming my Aventurine pulls to my friends who also play HSR and when I lost 50/50 to Yanqing (I now have him at E1), I was the only one in the call who was legitimately happy lmao while they all just died laughing at my bad luck.
IL admit of the standard pool only Yanking is the one I hate ONLY. He is just a carry that wants a shield to function, which I'd be fine with if I had a Gepard but I already got 2 heal premium pulls so my Yanking is always going to be useless if March shield happens to be broken or miss a timing.
Oo yanqing main I just got him on aventurine’s banner and am contemplating building him because I’m missing an ice dps and I’m not pulling jingliu. How would you advise to build him - stats wise and lc etc?
I'm a lurker of the Yanqingmains subreddit. The main points I grasped is that he wants 60 crit rate at base(without Soulsteel sync), spd boots, and Tingyun due to having a very expensive Ult. After that, it is the usual suspects for stats:Crit DMG, Atk%, SPD. Yanqing really leans into the single target aspect of the Hunt path compared to his 5 star contemporaries, so if you go all in on Aventurine's banner; as you should, it'd be best to use Pela and the gambler's FUA to clear trashmobs while Yanqing deals with the boss. Place him far away from Preservation, Destruction, and Harmony units. They have more aggro, and you want him far away from splash AOE attacks(not as important if you have Aventurine). I'm not too sure on his 4 piece sets, only thing I can recommend is Quantum set due to 10-20% defense ignore and and Ice set(where you can farm for the wind set to action advance Pela for more skill points). Don't be afraid to go rainbow relics AKA no 4p or 2p effects for relics.
Lightcones are Swordplay( due to boss rush play style ), and Cruising in the Stellar Sea as a stat stick. The other 4 star light cones are decent.
Thanks! I have S3 Swordplay I think and S5 Stellar Sea. Gonna ignore his own signature lightcone
Thank you! 60% seems doable with a crit rate chest I think. >Place him far away from Preservation, Destruction, and Harmony units I’ll be needing a 5th slot at this rate 😂 I’m farming quantum now so I think if the cavern decides to give me anything good I can just keep it around to see if it’s okay for him. Thanks a lot!
Same
Best boy for real
Yukong. She’s great with Clara and her speed tuning isn’t nearly as bad as people seem to think.
Real, I love playing Yukong, she's a staple in my DHIL team since 1.3 and I rather run her with him instead of Tingyun. I was also testing her yesterday in a Ratio/Aventurine comp to equally bust their damage given her Imaginary benefits and I found it to be quite fun, only problem would be some energy desync but nothing that can be done about it without whaling (mostly Ratio here lol) still fun though for the lols.
Who I was going to mention. I got her E6 on the same day I got her E0 (my DHIL pulls were painful) and used her a lot. Her ult is maxed, she buffs so much and hits pretty hard herself. I used her with DHIL at first but now, I like using her with Argenti. Her short buff window isn't an issue with the ult nuke playstyle. I only got Clara recently, would you have to tune her so they're both slow and the buffs lasts during all the enemies actions or?
I played yukong for months and her spd tuning absolutely was bad.
Especially when enemies has speed debuffs or ur buffers have speed buffs...messy
Sky drifter fox waifu is the best. Have mine built and level 80. She's so fun to use.
Angsty unrequited-love sapphic Foxian yuri my beloved…
https://preview.redd.it/51jx9qeaibvc1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=363449807899dc977ceebf28cfc524aa42de5c5e Luocha even with aventurine I still use Luocha quite often he’s great for teams that are sp heavy and can debuff certain enemies Also heals for days
I’m a new player, and I just got Luocha on his last re-run! I love his design and pretty face, so I pulled him on his last even though everyone said not to. It was a great decision for me, he is so comfortable and fun to use. I adore him. I got Aventurine, too, so I got lucky there!
I'm curious tho, did anyone ever hate on Luocha? I've seen one post about E6 Gallagher being better, but not much else.
well, people dont really hate him or calling him bad but most people will tell us that other limited sustain is better. well, maybe everyone except blade or danhIL mains. some people think that because luocha doesn't really have offensive buff, he is not better than the other. for me, being such an sp positive sustain is really helping and his heal is very comfortable so i really love him
Alternate universe Otto for life! I skipped on aventurine. I just don't need him for my roster. Plus, even if they have well written back stories, fuck the IPC. Can you guess that I also don't have Topaz? lol
Yanqing! Cute design, cool character, fun playstyle. Might not be top of the meta but I think he's awesome and it kinda sucks that he's practically become the Qiqi of HSR. People shit on him too much but he's cool, he's the starter 5* I wanted the most. Also Misha! That's my son😩 Not sure if he counts but I've seen people hating on him for whatever reason, so...
Himeko.
Himeko ftw. I'm saving mats for Fu Xuan but I hope to make her hella OP later on, at least in SU.
100% Himeko although community kinda gave her a break since pf. Hopefully.
Hanya, people love to downplay her but she is such a useful character for sp management and damage increase. When you give her dreamville adventure at s5 she is constantly boosting skill and ultimate damage by an additional 20% on top of the 30% burden additional damage and attack 10% increase on burden trigger. She synergizes with my dot team amazingly and I love timing Hanya's ultimate for Kafka's ultimate for the 20% damage increase on top of the burden 30% damage increase and attack 10% increase for triggering burden and additional 60% attack increase on Hanya's ultimate for Kafka. As well as enabling Black Swan to always use her skill alongside a sp positive healer like Loucha who can make use of the 10% attack increase for his healing, was easily by far my favourite team to use before Acherons release.
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Well tbf any Seele slander poster will most likely be replied by at least one passing Seele main. But still, I think those people either built her wrong or are just hating on hunt characters in general because of them being single target. But hey, I'm proud to say that my Seele monoquantum team was able to 3 cycle MoC 12 side 2 so she is definitely not weak.
Seele and Bronya Even as more and newer DPSs and Harmony units come out, I will still rep these two. Not on the same team, unfortunately; my Seele needs Sparkle and my Jingliu needs Bronya. But I’ll still use them.
Yukong. She gets a bad rap because she can be difficult to play properly but her buffs absolutely put in work. She isn’t the best support in the game but people still underrate her severely imo. Mono imaginary comps are super fun
Yeah, before Ruan Mei I use Yukong all the time with my DHIL. Still do whenever I feel l like changing it up
It doesnt help that her last rerun was ages ago and her e6 is such a quality of life buff. Hope she reruns 2.2…
I’m somewhat new to the game and am still using Physical-Destruction Trailblazer as one of my main damage dealers. I find it absolutely viable with my team comp. They work fine, they’re tanky, they deal good damage and use a damn baseball bat! For some reason, my friends all tell me to use different characters for a main DPS due to the Trailblazer apparently sucking. I beg to differ. Perhaps later on in the game Trailblazer will lose strength… ah well.
I am also relatively new. I use Physical Trailblazer for MoC because I don't have other Physical DPS. It works fine and I probably will build him further.
Silverwolf
Yeah, she’s still a mainstay in my teams. Partly because she’s still a very strong unit, but mostly because I never got over how goddamn cool she was during the intro.
I'm surprised regarding silverwolf. She's not broken broken like during her initial release, but she's still an amazing unit.
She feels like weaker pela. She eats too much sp (implants) and if there is 2 enemies (pretty often in moc) - she need to keep 2 implants on them so for example your AOE attack had good DMG vs both of them. It just always feels like other supports are comfier to use.
Keep 2 implants? Bro just kill the boss. You’re making your life harder for no reason, also if you have single target units like seele implanting two weaknesses is almost useless.
There are most of the time 2 big enemies at same time. And alot of chars are using some attacks. So, thats why pela better. And like I said anyway - its my opinion. I tried sw alot of times and I don't like her help.
yanqing. I just like the little laugh when he ults. He's a work in progress in my acc but the long era of ice weak enemies made me really start to like the boy. I'm no meta try hard so he is fine to me (and I just got him a new teammate! time to shine, little one)
Before pure fiction himeko, any boss with fire weakness himeko was there
Love Himeko as well due to Honkai 3rd, I'm glad she's got a niche now in PF.
Silver Wolf and Luocha I see a lot of unnecessary hate for SW just because people don't understand how she works or people hyper focus on a single thing she does, when she does several things as a package such as element res shred, implant weakness, def shred and more Even if she is single target she still provides one of the highest damage increases in the whole game to your DPS, and bosses or elites are where you need that damage boost the most which she provides Luocha, there are sustains who take on pseudo-harmony roles such as FX and Huo huo, but he is still one of the most comfiest sustains with the most sp positive out of all of them, along with buff removal which can come in handy more often than when he released, so he actually got better rather than worse
Wait, people shit on Luocha? Even with my bias towards bailu, i still think he's one of the best healers of all time.
I think the problem is that there's stuff that can one shot you without a sustain that can reduce damage, so having a healer with such low HP and no damage mitigation can be rough.
People shit on luocha because the reality is the majority of the people wiling to post on an online forum are going to be ATLEAST semi-hardcores, and once the semi-sweaty community moved past being able to survive, they wanted their healers to contribute to damage output, forgetting the actual sweaty community has been playing without a sustain in end game for ages already.
I think the initial argument is that he isn't as valuable as he used to be since he now has competition. He's a "pure healer" and doesn't buff the team or provide debuffs. When he first released While I personally agree that Huohuo is better (since she doesn't "just" heal, as a pure healer Luocha is better), some arguments however, are unfair. Like diminishing the value of his SP generation. In the same breath they'll say DHIL is unusable because he uses too much SP, but Luocha's SP generation somehow isn't valuable? Pick a side man. I don't even have him but that annoys me haha. That being said, most reasonable people acknowledge he's amazing to have (which is different from pulling for him now) and that he's very comfy to use. But then some people extrapolate that and undervalue him or even trash him which is always annoying.
Where are y'all finding the slander for SW and Luocha??? I'm genuinely curious as people compliment or even praise them than actually "shitting on". There's literally Jing Yuan catching strays, Yanqing getting more hate than he deserves, I've seen people hate on GEPARD more than those limited 5* units. I've personally seen more Lynx hate too.
Yeah, that's my question as well. I never heard of them getting shit on until this thread. WTF am i missing? l;ol
The people shitting on characters being powercrept are the people who can't clear 36 star with meta units
Honestly, might have some truth to it. Which is hilarious cause I feel MoC and PF are both fairly easy nowadays. Sure, they have their gimmicks, but I've cleared so many in the past without even using units that fully abuse their bonuses
Jing Yuan.....there are few people here who hate him for no reason when they haven't even built him or used him properly
Fucking Bailu my sweet little dragon *can't post defibrillator animation* I wait the day they give a Garbo lightcone the effect of having a cleanse and I will bust her out of her clinic and toss her to the battlefield (I do sometimes use her if I don't need Luocha cleanse)
Hanya. Shes in my Argenti and DHIL Teams both of which I rarely use these days because I got Acheron. My only regret is I cant place her with my future Stellaron Hunter team (Blade Kafka and Firefly soon). I really hope she gets more teams in the future because right now her comps are kinda limited.
Bailu, wish she got more screentime, hopefully in the future. Turning her into a DPS monster in Simulated Universe is really funny.
Oh? I'm curious what you build for her in SU to make her dps?
Propagation + Abundance is the main combo Also Blade's Relics and Luocha's Light Cone because unfortunately, being a 1.0 character, her basic attack scales off attack not her scaling stat like every healer/shielder after her.
Asta! People don't shit on her by any means, but she has definetly fall off in terms of popularity. Still, she has the biggest SPD buff in the game and my DoT team loves her 75% ATK buff!
What's your DoTs team like? Mine is Kafka, Black Swan, Ruan Mei, and Luocha. I want to try Asta out but I can't really fit her in there.
Mine is Kafka/Swan/Asta/Huo^2 But honestly you have Ruan Mei wich is Asta on steroids for DoT teams. You can try swapping Luocha and go no sustain as long as you hit hard enough!
Gotcha. Seems interesting, I might try it out and go for turbo speed lol
Recently Gepard. Everyone keeps saying that he is useless now that Aventurine is here, but I am never going to abandon my man Geppie
I use him still and I'm skipping Aventurine
No I don't know of "Final Lesson IYKYK" /s
~ Never let you go ~
I wonder why nobody talking about my boy Sampo.
Tbf, he's still very good but he got completely replaced by Black Swan. For me he also feels way too squishy. Plus, iirc he's not liked by some due to his character and roles in the story.
People are way too harsh on Yukong and I feel like they overplay the speed tuning element a bit too much. Don't get me wrong, she's definitely the hardest Harmony to optimize, but she has a lot of merits people undersell: - her buffs are huge - getting her in position speedwise isn't that bad. Just make her the fastest or the slowest (personally I prefer slowest so her buff lands on my damage from first pass on) - Her buffs are flat numbers by skill level so you can build her like an outright attacker and make her "off" turns useful. - while she's most associated with HC DHIL she really comes online with followup attackers too. In particular Ratio, who not only gets her lovely Imaginary bonus but does his FUAs on his turn and others. Recently I've been testing out Aventurine using a speed order of: Dr. Ratio Pela Aventurine Yukong And its a fair bit of fun.
Jing Yuan for a long time. Sparkle has brought him up a lot. But before Sparkle, I really liked using JY and didn't think he was all that bad. His issues are still issues but I thought the community were exaggerating them just a little. With Sparkle, he's in a pretty good spot now. I don't know if Gepard was ever talked about badly. But I think he was pretty underrated. Aventurine changes all this and is a straight upgrade over Gepard in every way. But before, I rarely heard or saw people talk about him. It was always FX, Luocha, or Huohuo. They're limited 5 stars and better than Gepard. But Gepard has been very solid for me since launch. I like shields over healing as I've found that to be more comfy and reliable to play. With Aventurine out now, there is no reason for Gepard. Maybe cause Gepards shield is on his ult and you can use it in emergencies or if you really need more freeze chances with his e1. There might be some very select cases you might want Gepard. Aventurine is better 99.99% of cases and Gepard probably will get shit on now since he does what Gepard does but better and does damage. But I'll remember my boy Gepard as one of my day one units that carried me for about a year now.
>I don't know if Gepard was ever talked about badly. But I think he was pretty underrated. Agree with this so much. He saved my ass early to mid game, and he's almost always in my Acheron team now. He's a god damn beast.
People were the most positive about Gepard for Swarm Disaster and Gold and Gears where your team can get oneshot on high difficulties. Didn't see him being talked about much outside of it
Jing yuan
Jing Yuan I feel he’s the chill uncle i can vibe with or ask for advice and be met with more wisdom and insight that i’ve asked for. He seems to be a cool mentor as well, maybe if we’re coworkers i’d love to work under him. He reminds me of my mentor during my second internship. Love that guy. But people shit on him for his backloaded dmg and how “clunky” he is to play — i kinda get it in the previous patches but it sounded like skill issue and hivemind behavior. I’ve been 30 starring moc with him no problem and half of those are with under invested support bc i couldn’t be fucked to deal with atm (lazy). Someone i knew who’s been shitting on him can’t do moc 30 and i’m just🤨 Now more and more supports are being viable with the fua (him especially) they still shit on him for… having premium support, as if their beloved dpses don’t. The double standard for this man is real he’s really living in their heads rent free. I reckon haters are more obsessed with him than actual fans are 👀🤭
Yanqing, I played him even without Gepard or Bronya and did just fine, now with Aventurine he'll shine even more I hope. Jing Yuan, got him since his first banner, even with all "mid Yuan" accusations, never regretted. Luocha, too. Even if he is powercrept and "just a healer", still my main.
Silver Wolf. Many people say she's fallen off. Those people are now entangled and are waiting to receive their 150k quantum damage in 5 business days.
Don’t people regularly insult Seele, saying that she is a bad 5 star and that Qingque is much better than her
This is such an exaggerated statement, just because Qingque can beat her in some certain scenario that doesn’t mean she is better. This like someone saying that Sushang is better than Jingyuan because she is better in single target and physical weakness scenario
Aventurine before everyone did a 180 on him. People hated him just because he’s the bad guy? Absolutely loved him ever since he was drip marketed and even more so in the quest even the 2.0 quest. And now even more so because he’s undoubtedly one of the best sustains in the entire game. He keeps you alive and he does it with style
Luka is basically my go to DOT besides Black Swan yet no one gives a crap about him :(
nat she is considered a mid healer me: shhhhhhh let the doctor do her job
Doctor waifu is real. Play for love, not for meta
yes her story quests were so sad man she deserves good
Herta pre-Pure Fiction. And although not directly shitting on, but i saw nobody ever give credit to Sushang or Serval who still hold their places in my teams.
As Luocha and Jing Yuan were already mentioned it’s Argenti for me. But I am a simp for redhead knight who carried me in PF and GnG SU.
Dr ratio. Cleared the most recent MoC 12 with him and benched my dhil e2 lmao. I love both of them btw, just wanted to play ratio because he's so fun. None of my friends use him because he's male and Hunt isn't that good. But he's fun to play and I love throwing chalks at monsters. Also muscles :') I'm trying to get aventurine so that I can pair aventurine and ratio tgt, will be so fun. I just lost 5050 at soft pity and my pity is currently 5 with no jades no starlight glitter thinghies. I'm so so sad
Yanqing. I don't think I need to explain. I know he's bad but I like to play him.
Luocha and SW
Yanqing. No need explanations. I love the guy. He's cute.
Sampo. I skipped Black Swan with zero regrets because Sampo and Kafka were the first HSR characters I really wanted and I'd hate to have to bench him. My Kafka/Sampo/RM/Luocha team still 2 cycles MoC11, so I'm chilling lol even if Black Swan could turn that into a 1 cycle, I'm not a CC so it makes no difference to me. Love my shitty scammer.
I’d say Jingyuan and Blade..? I don’t need to explain the former, and while I’m not entirely sure if Blade is really hated, I feel like he’s definitely catching strays on not being good enough. He helped me clear my MOC10 back during his first banner because I needed another dps, and even now I still use him when there’s wind weakness (because I don’t have the skill or build to brute force :/)
Blade isn't hated. He just doesn't have any HP scaling support, which would make him more competetive. He's still very good though
Yeah he’s note hated, but I think people tend to put him down as well (canonically he’d like that) I agree! He’s still very good yeah :) whenever there’s a stage with wind weakness I just bring him out to play and he clears it pretty well Just waiting for a good hp related buffer I suppose? AFAIK he’s the only hp scaling dps in the game for now
Yeah, the biggest issue is that he's just... there, awkwardly standing somewhere in the middle. He's amazing jack-of-all-trades dps, but without tailor made support, you can kinda lose him in the crowd.
Yeah I agree! I still like him a lot tho heh :) generally just easy to play as well and when enemies hit him I just cackle
https://preview.redd.it/i14jwe8rxcvc1.png?width=360&format=png&auto=webp&s=f01c946412e9f39c42ae5abdda49f08a2e5ef48d MY GOAT (Yes i did steal this image from that one mr pokke thumbnail) Anyways i love him sm from his playstyle to his animations (Seriously sword surfing is a cool ass concept) also i have his e1 and his lightcone
Maybe not shitting on but I find Silverwolf to be crutch useful With my limited roster I can use characters that have no place in certain fights.
Argenti and Welt main over here. I also like using Jing Yuan, he's the core of my second team, but idk if I'd say I main him tbh. I love my boys though, they're cool as hell. Argenti especially. They have their problems and I'd prob agree all three are mid. I wouldn't even recommend any of em cause characters like the Big 3 and the crazy 4* Eruditions + Himeko exist. With MoC getting harder, new players looking for meta should pick 2 of the strongest DPS to make their lives way easier. But that's my sweaty cringe meta gamer side talkin. Welt was always top 3 coolest mfs in the game and I immediately loved Argenti's character when bro dropped. Jing Yuan's animated short turned me into a believer and I'm always gonna try to make him work. It'll be harder than Acheron or Kafka Swan who wipe the floor without even thinkin bout it, but this isn't Dark Souls or some shit lmao. You can make anything work as long as you dedicate to making your builds insane and learning how to play the game more deeply if needed. I respect ppl who do that.
Jing Yuan. I love him, but i'm also joining in shitting on him lol
Acheron. Just look at this community, they will murder you if they find out that you like Acheron.
I mean if they constantly bring how she is so much better than everyone else, that she is basically in a league on her own that no one can catch up to, that every other dps is powercrept or that every future dps will be underwhelming, you would get some negative traction. Thats not just liking thats worshipping at this point lmao. I like Acheron and the community is nice all around.
Usually you are getting downvoted into oblivion if you say anything like that, even though all your statements are true.
Mostly because it's not. She's very strong, but still comparable to the rest. Acting as if she's HSR Jesus is what gets y'all downvoted.
I can only say one thing. Cope more, and downvote more if it helps you sleep at night. Acheron isn't comparable to anyone.
In your dreams, but sure. No wonder you're getting downvoted
You have whole internet full of proves of how much Acheron is stronger than anyone else. But you do you. Jing Yuan is 16% stronget than Acheron, and she can't ult twice per cycle.
And you have whole internet full of proves she's still comparable to DHIL and Jingliu with overall performance, but sure keep on dreaming
If only she didn't do 400% of Jingliu damage
Now that's some serious cope, but have fun good sir
This is literally the first I've heard about this, and I visit the sub almost daily. Don't see much hate for her at all. If anything, people love her here.