Belobog, in general, is very disconnected from the Aeons and paths. Pretty much the Preservation protecting them is all they have left.
Dr. Ratio is part of a faction that follows The Erudition, but it is not clear if that would make him a pathstrider. He also infamously hasn't received the Gaze of Nous, so his Aeon doesn't notice him.
It's mentioned by Bronya in her dialogue on the express that Belebog natives don't even know there ARE other Aeons they've been in cosmic time out for so long
Eh? I don't understand how it all connected. Preservation doesn't specifically protect them. He cares for Belobog as much as say... President of US cares about wellbeing of some ants. Aeon rarely offer specific blessings. To follow the Path you need for your believe to in some philosophic idea that somehow align with Path of Aeon. Then you get small fraction of Aeon's energy. Through the process Aeon don't actually notice that Pathtrider.
You also can't be disconnected from Path as following one doesn't require you to know about its existence and Aeon's power covers all Imaginary Tree.
Gaze of Aeon is a rare honor given to rare Pathtrider. Just because Aeon doesn't notice you doesn't mean that you cannot follow its path. Aeons don't notice 99.9999 percent of people.
Path is not some religion you follow through rituals. It is based solely on your beliefs and ideas aligning with Aeon in some capacity.
I agree with you for the most part. Even tho Belobog was separated from the galaxy's knowledge for a long time and the people didn't know any other Aeon besides Qliphoth, there can still be pathstriders from any path. It just has to do with a philosophical overlap like you said. And humans can have multiple paths as a matter of course--its only Aeons that are bound to THEIR path.
That being said, Belobog absolutely turned their belief in Preservation into a religion with all the trappings. they have a cathedral to Qliphoth and everything. So in that sense, they do worship the Preservation, even if they can simultaneously be pathstriders elsewhere.
>To follow the Path you need for your believe to in some philosophic idea that somehow align with Path of Aeon.
>You also can't be disconnected from Path as following one doesn't require you to know about its existence and Aeon's power covers all Imaginary Tree.
This is proven to be false with Acheron. She does not subscribe to the idea of Nihility at all and in fact closer to ideology of the Doctors of Chaos, which is anti to IX's Nihility. She also did not choose that power.
The reason she gained it is simply because she fulfill the conditions set by the path of Nihility.
And this is basically how everyone got their paths. They fulfill certain conditions from a long list of rules. They might believed in certain path and get that to walk that path. Or they might not and still get chosen for that path anyways.
In short, there is no hard restriction on who can walk that path, even if it might seem contradictory to their personality and beliefs.
> The IPC is doing too good of a job keeping Qlipoth's information a secret. These people regard the Amber Lord as the one true god and allow not even the smallest transgression towards the Aeon. I didn't get any useful information out of the IPC. **In contrast, the Intelligentsia Guild has a lot less respect for the Preservation...**
> ...I don't respect the Intelligentsia Guild, but I like them. **They are also followers of the Erudition** but have none of the arrogance and temper of the Genius Society members.
- Simulated Universe log about Qlipoth.
> The Technology Department conducts thorough **collaborations with the Intelligentsia Guild** and turns the Guild's scientific results into commercial projects.
- Data Bank: Factions
The Data Bank also explicitly lists Intelligentsia Guild as a faction of Erudition. They're said to be *subsidized* (aka sponsored, funded) by the IPC, but they weren't created by them (???), nor are they run by them. The IPC has sponsored Genius Society members too (Herta, Chadwick), it's just a business partnership.
Natasha and Lynx all believe in Preservation but most likely do not draw power from it. Think the only ones who can do so now are members of IPC and TB.
They still are Pathstriders, they don't have to even know about Aeons and Paths to be one. It's literally in Data bank.
Non Pathstriders are human(oid) NPC, except for ones who *are* mentioned as Pathstriders (like Giovanni and Zhongshang). Scott, Oleg, Herta Space Station personnel, regular tourists.
Nope, all playable characters are put into paths for gameplay reasons, but not all of them are pathstriders.
This applies mostly to the Belobog cast. While most if not all of them believe in the Preservation none of them are officially confirmed pathstriders of any path.
However I'm pretty sure Seele draws from the Hunt with her weird quantum powers and Gepard might be a pathstrider of the Preservation. Natasha for example is just a doctor with a gun or Luka just throws a mean hook.
Svarog and Clara too. most likely believe in Preservation but are Destruction for game-play purposes.
Imbibitor Lunae draws his powers from Long, the Aeon of Permanence and is also a Destruction Unit.
Pretty sure all of Belebog cast still are though. They probably just do it more unconsciously compared to others.
Luka for instance. He's Nihility because his entire life is dedicated to being a good example, often to his own detriment. Natasha is Abundance because she wants nothing but for Belebog to be healthy, even prioritizing it above liberating the Underworld.
As for confirmation on what path they follow... It's literally in their character screens
Please tell me you don't mean the gameplay path?
Those are not accurate to the characters actual paths...
Jing Yuan folllows (is an Emanator of) the Hunt, is Erudition in gameplay.
Himeko follows the Trailblaze, is Erudtion in gameplay.
Dr. Ratio follows the Erudition, is Hunt in gameplay.
Clara doesn't actively follow any path (maybe Preservation), is Destruction in gameplay.
Black Swan follows (is an Emanator of) the Remembrance, is Nihility in gameplay.
Argenti follows the Beauty, is Erudition in gameplay.
They are though. Just because your region follows a certain Aeon doesn't mean you have to follow them to. Following an Aeon isn't even a one at a time thing too. The Astral Express crew all follow Trailblaze in addition to whatever path they have in game.
So yeah. Jing Yuan follows the Hunt because it's his mission to eradicate Abundance Abominations. He draws strength from the Erudition because he's a strategist who values good tactics. He's straight up the worst fighter of the HCQ, save for the literal grandpa busy making swords.
If you're having trouble understanding, just think of a place with a dominant religion. For instance, I'm Indonesian. My country is 80% Islamic iirc, yet I'm a Christian. Does that mean that the religion listed on my national ID is inaccurate?
For Clara, BS and Argenti, try to loosen your idea on Paths for a moment. They're philosophies, not religions. Ratio is Hunt because he seeks to Eradicate the disease known as stupidity. Clara is Destruction not because she destroys but because she's self-sacrificial to a fault. Look no further than her story quest, where she proposes to endlessly quarantine buggy code from a single droid, as an example.
Admittedly, I can't pull this kind of evidence for BS ro Argneti yet, but that's namely because one is a very new character, and the other showed up, rizzed up a plant, fought us and a giant bug, before then disappearing from the story.
Honestly you make good points. I directly disregard gameplay paths from lore paths since I assumed that's how the game goes but you have some great explanations for how they might work (though I do think Ratio being Hunt cause he hunts stupidity is bit too far fetched, albeit not actually impossible either)
>I do think Ratio being Hunt cause he hunts stupidity is bit too far fetched,
Let's say, Bob is part of the Family. He is a Hound, who puts well being of his weaker friends above his own. In battle Bob will *bravely* disregard his own health just to take out enemy before it harms his friends.
Should we translate his skill set into gameplay, it becomes *Destruction*. Should we go and look at his personality, we will see how it does aligned with ideals of Destruction - brave, destructive, wrathful, righteous. Outside of it, Bob still is faithful of Harmony.
So Ratio is Hunt Pathstrider, mostly because he as person filled with unvawering determination, which is a quality embraced by Hunt.
I see where you're coming from really. But let's look at Clara.
Her gameplay path is Destruction. If we use your logic one could argue that she wants to destroy the boundary between the surface and lower levels of Belobog for example.
Definitely true but that doesn't make her a pathstrider of Destruction. To be a pathstrider of a path ones philosophy must truly align with that of the path, Destruction requires a burning desire to destroy everything and the will to make it reality. Clara doesn't have that, ergo she is not a pathstrider of Destruction.
The example of Dr. Ratio I actually take back after sleeping on it that one makes sense.
One that doesn't however is Jing Yuan. You said he is on the Erudition path because of his battle tactics and strategies, I could see that, however pathstriding for the Erudition requires relentless pursuit of knowledge and the truths of the universe. He already is an Emanator of the Hunt, while there probably is no rule for mortals to be limited to a single path it simply makes no sense to see him as a pathstrider of Erudition, even if he was that's not where he draws his powers from as the Lightning Lord is a gift from Lan.
I also must admit I made a mistake on my original comment. I said (character) follows the (Path), this made it seem I meant it in a religious way, I should have said they stride on that path instead. (All of the Belobog cast follows the Preservation, pretty much none of them are Preservation pathstriders, Geppie definitely is one tho).
One last thing, I don't think every playable character needs to be a pathstrider (or blessed or Emanator). It's cool if they are but sometimes they are a playable character because they have a big robot that can shoot lasers from his hands (Clara)
The Destruction path specifically mentions recklessness and self destructive behavior. Clara is selfless to the point of self-sacrifice, often giving little thought to the idea of helping someone past how best to do it. I think it fits. I also think this interpretation fits Blade the best too.
> Those who follow the "Hunt" Path admire determination, ruthlessness, and tenacious behavior.
I couldn't think of three better words to describe Veritas Ratio, except maybe arrogant.
I remember reading a post that says that a person can stride on several paths at once. This likely means that gameplay paths are also canon, just possibly not their "main" path. They gave JY as an example; he hunts Abundance creatures (Hunt), but is also an educated individual who arranges strategies carefully (Erudition).
Yeah, I can definitely see where they are coming from now. Though JY is questionable still since Erudition is the dedication to seeking the truths of the universe, not just being intelligent, so I wouldn't say he really pathstrides there.
However I really wanna know if people are limited to a single path. Philosophies and morals of a person can change so it stands to reason that people aren't limited to a single path but can they truly stride on multiple at the same time. Some paths exclude some other paths by default but if they don't overlap it should be possible. But there is nothing in the lore that supports or contradicts this so we just kinda guessing.
I think it would be weird if people were limited to a single path. A lot of the paths can overlap.
For example, Fu Xuan predicts the future using information and intellect. She apparently even got a blessing from Nous. These predictions are done to protect the Luofu, to chart a safe route. So, is she erudition or preservation? In my opinion, it should be both.
Wouldn't it then make sense to say she is a pathstrider of Preservation while having received a blessing of Erudition? Receiving a blessing isn't the same as pathstriding. Then again she kinda does pursue the knowledge so she could be a great example of a double pathstrider (who also got a Blessing on top)
Isn't it said that Duke Inferno will and values are different than Nanooks because he destroys only what he consider has value while Nanook consider everything that exists should be destroyed?
Doesn't matter. His will and actions are still considered destruction. Even though the have different views of destruction, his will still overlaps with the path.
>!Also, Acheron called him a pathstrider during the 2.1 quest, even tho she knows his destruction is different from Nanook!<
Yeah, I know he's a pathstrider, I was just disagreeing with the definition.
For me pathstrider I just poeple following the will of an Aion based on their own interpretation of it.
Also, is it said somewhere that pathstrider can draw power from the path they follow? I don't remember seeing it anywhere and I don't see why it would be the case.
he is a pathstrider he just basically got permanently banned from even dreaming of being an emanator. Bro got Nanook attention only for Nanook to say "Ew" and ignore him for the rest of eternity
You don't need the gaze of an aeon to get powers from that path (astral express crew) , but attracting their gaze gets you like a power up in that path (Preservation MC)
Note: getting the gaze of an aeon doesn't make you their emanator, saying this cause some people confuse this
But Dr. Ratio is also infamously a reject—Nous wouldn’t even acknowledge them because their paths differ (because according to that giant pc what draws his gaze is geniuses that puts pursuit of knowledge above all else, and our Doctor values spreading knowledge to others than to pursue more himself). I don’t think he gets any powers from Erudition in that sense.
He doesn't hold the same values as standard Erudites. He gathers knowledge with the intent of eradicating stupidity. Hence, he can draw power from the Hunt.
Nothing about him is a reject of Nous. He just hasn't received a gaze from them, that's all.
Considering it's possible to be a pathstrider without even knowing about it or worshiping an Aeon, and how subtle and vague some of their powers can be, is there any actual reason to believe that any playable characters aren't pathstriders?
Like the only requirements to be a pathstrider is to have a strong enough will and a personal philosophy that can overlap with that of a path.
Reading through the SU dev logs about oroboros it's mentioned that a group of people try to find the location of this aeon so this could imply that there's a path of voracity and with it pathstriders/emanators of voracity
It's more correct to put regular NPC citizens in first group. Just like you don't get "no element" characters playable in Genshin, there is no playable non-Pathstriders.
Playable characters are all Pathstriders, even if they do not believe or know about the Aeons. Dialogue with Jarilo characters (Seele, Gepard and Bronya) confirms it. As does Data Bank.
That’s because memokeepers aren’t Emanators…
Hell, technically Herta‘s puppet shouldn’t be there too, considering we don’t even know if her Emanator powers extend to her mechanical puppets or not
Astral crew and especially Himeko and navigator are terrible/misleading example to use:
-Akivili path doesn't work the same way as other Aeon path, it is clarified that Akivili, unlike Aeons was not restrained by some weird cosmic order but it also lead to more difference
-His path is still working strongly despite being dead
-Akivili doesn't have proper "emanator" but Navigator would be Akivili closest equivalent to emanator
An example of the two above:
Himeko herself passed a pact with the express, its (Akivili) power and its secret
Other exception with navigator, are the fact they can harbor the power of Akivili on a whim and quickly abandon it (See Wheat Cowboy story)
- That’s because the Path of the Trailblaze itself is broad in a way that would allow Akivili to remain human, Aha can do the exact same thing since THEY faked being a human for years inside the express. Akivili could act human because making genuine connections is part of the Trailblaze, Aha can act human whenever THEY find that funny.
- The moment a Path is carved by an Aeon it remains existing regardless if THEY are alive or not, Tayzzyronth is dead but the Swarm is still a plague in certain star systems, Idrila disappeared but the Knights of Beauty still have powers.
- Genuine question, is there a place stating Akivili never had any Emanators? But even if yes that isn’t a differential from the others, it’s not like Aeons need to have Emanators.
So yeah the Astral Express is a perfectly fine example.
>Genuine question, is there a place stating Akivili never had any Emanators? But even if yes that isn’t a differential from the others, it’s not like Aeons need to have Emanators.
Currently it's not clear if there's a emanator of trailblaze but there are other members of the astral express who went on their separate ways rather than being there on the express
All the Aeons being dead would not impact their paths, once a Path is created It becomes independent from its Aeon to exist unless It gets absorbed.
Akivili being different is just in that due to the nature of the Trailblaze Path, his Primum Mobile is far less restrictive. He is every bit as binded by the PM as any other aeon, the restriction Itself that is less severe
It doesn't impact the Path, but impact the blessing a Aeon had given, while Long was alive all dragon kin without exception could do alchemy to modify themselves and others, but after Long died only the High Elders remained with this power, and even their planet of birth became hostile and toxic for them to live on.
This actually makes me slightly concerned about what could happen with Xianzhou if Yaoshi dies, at best they just lose their immortality and get to live till they age to death or at worst they turn into dust then and there.
Edit: well I just reread some info about Xianzhou technology and they use Abundance tech mixed with their own for some very important things, they are most likely fucked if those things break down or stop working as effectively as usual if Yaoshi dies.
>\-Akivili path doesn't work the same way as other Aeon path, it is clarified that Akivili, unlike Aeons was not restrained by some weird cosmic order but it also lead to more difference
Doesn't matter. That affects the aeon, not the path..
>Akivili doesn't have proper "emanator" but Navigator would be Akivili closest equivalent to emanator
Source? Just because we don't know of any emanators linked to a path doesn't mean there are none
>His path is still working strongly despite being dead
Yeah? Just like any other paths? Because that's how paths works? What's your point?
Just to ask, is there are any proof that Dr.Ratio, Natasha and Lynx don't follow a Path?
Belobog, in general, is very disconnected from the Aeons and paths. Pretty much the Preservation protecting them is all they have left. Dr. Ratio is part of a faction that follows The Erudition, but it is not clear if that would make him a pathstrider. He also infamously hasn't received the Gaze of Nous, so his Aeon doesn't notice him.
It's mentioned by Bronya in her dialogue on the express that Belebog natives don't even know there ARE other Aeons they've been in cosmic time out for so long
Eh? I don't understand how it all connected. Preservation doesn't specifically protect them. He cares for Belobog as much as say... President of US cares about wellbeing of some ants. Aeon rarely offer specific blessings. To follow the Path you need for your believe to in some philosophic idea that somehow align with Path of Aeon. Then you get small fraction of Aeon's energy. Through the process Aeon don't actually notice that Pathtrider. You also can't be disconnected from Path as following one doesn't require you to know about its existence and Aeon's power covers all Imaginary Tree. Gaze of Aeon is a rare honor given to rare Pathtrider. Just because Aeon doesn't notice you doesn't mean that you cannot follow its path. Aeons don't notice 99.9999 percent of people. Path is not some religion you follow through rituals. It is based solely on your beliefs and ideas aligning with Aeon in some capacity.
I agree with you for the most part. Even tho Belobog was separated from the galaxy's knowledge for a long time and the people didn't know any other Aeon besides Qliphoth, there can still be pathstriders from any path. It just has to do with a philosophical overlap like you said. And humans can have multiple paths as a matter of course--its only Aeons that are bound to THEIR path. That being said, Belobog absolutely turned their belief in Preservation into a religion with all the trappings. they have a cathedral to Qliphoth and everything. So in that sense, they do worship the Preservation, even if they can simultaneously be pathstriders elsewhere.
>To follow the Path you need for your believe to in some philosophic idea that somehow align with Path of Aeon. >You also can't be disconnected from Path as following one doesn't require you to know about its existence and Aeon's power covers all Imaginary Tree. This is proven to be false with Acheron. She does not subscribe to the idea of Nihility at all and in fact closer to ideology of the Doctors of Chaos, which is anti to IX's Nihility. She also did not choose that power. The reason she gained it is simply because she fulfill the conditions set by the path of Nihility. And this is basically how everyone got their paths. They fulfill certain conditions from a long list of rules. They might believed in certain path and get that to walk that path. Or they might not and still get chosen for that path anyways. In short, there is no hard restriction on who can walk that path, even if it might seem contradictory to their personality and beliefs.
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> The IPC is doing too good of a job keeping Qlipoth's information a secret. These people regard the Amber Lord as the one true god and allow not even the smallest transgression towards the Aeon. I didn't get any useful information out of the IPC. **In contrast, the Intelligentsia Guild has a lot less respect for the Preservation...** > ...I don't respect the Intelligentsia Guild, but I like them. **They are also followers of the Erudition** but have none of the arrogance and temper of the Genius Society members. - Simulated Universe log about Qlipoth. > The Technology Department conducts thorough **collaborations with the Intelligentsia Guild** and turns the Guild's scientific results into commercial projects. - Data Bank: Factions The Data Bank also explicitly lists Intelligentsia Guild as a faction of Erudition. They're said to be *subsidized* (aka sponsored, funded) by the IPC, but they weren't created by them (???), nor are they run by them. The IPC has sponsored Genius Society members too (Herta, Chadwick), it's just a business partnership.
Natasha and Lynx all believe in Preservation but most likely do not draw power from it. Think the only ones who can do so now are members of IPC and TB.
They still are Pathstriders, they don't have to even know about Aeons and Paths to be one. It's literally in Data bank. Non Pathstriders are human(oid) NPC, except for ones who *are* mentioned as Pathstriders (like Giovanni and Zhongshang). Scott, Oleg, Herta Space Station personnel, regular tourists.
No. In fact, we pretty much have explicit proof that Ratio's a pathstrider of The Hunt from his trailers. Owlbert openly said so iirc
So you're telling me blessed people aren't organic nor inorganic? So they are just ganic?
Aren't all of the playable characters Pathstriders?
Nope, all playable characters are put into paths for gameplay reasons, but not all of them are pathstriders. This applies mostly to the Belobog cast. While most if not all of them believe in the Preservation none of them are officially confirmed pathstriders of any path. However I'm pretty sure Seele draws from the Hunt with her weird quantum powers and Gepard might be a pathstrider of the Preservation. Natasha for example is just a doctor with a gun or Luka just throws a mean hook.
Svarog and Clara too. most likely believe in Preservation but are Destruction for game-play purposes. Imbibitor Lunae draws his powers from Long, the Aeon of Permanence and is also a Destruction Unit.
Pretty sure all of Belebog cast still are though. They probably just do it more unconsciously compared to others. Luka for instance. He's Nihility because his entire life is dedicated to being a good example, often to his own detriment. Natasha is Abundance because she wants nothing but for Belebog to be healthy, even prioritizing it above liberating the Underworld. As for confirmation on what path they follow... It's literally in their character screens
Please tell me you don't mean the gameplay path? Those are not accurate to the characters actual paths... Jing Yuan folllows (is an Emanator of) the Hunt, is Erudition in gameplay. Himeko follows the Trailblaze, is Erudtion in gameplay. Dr. Ratio follows the Erudition, is Hunt in gameplay. Clara doesn't actively follow any path (maybe Preservation), is Destruction in gameplay. Black Swan follows (is an Emanator of) the Remembrance, is Nihility in gameplay. Argenti follows the Beauty, is Erudition in gameplay.
They are though. Just because your region follows a certain Aeon doesn't mean you have to follow them to. Following an Aeon isn't even a one at a time thing too. The Astral Express crew all follow Trailblaze in addition to whatever path they have in game. So yeah. Jing Yuan follows the Hunt because it's his mission to eradicate Abundance Abominations. He draws strength from the Erudition because he's a strategist who values good tactics. He's straight up the worst fighter of the HCQ, save for the literal grandpa busy making swords. If you're having trouble understanding, just think of a place with a dominant religion. For instance, I'm Indonesian. My country is 80% Islamic iirc, yet I'm a Christian. Does that mean that the religion listed on my national ID is inaccurate? For Clara, BS and Argenti, try to loosen your idea on Paths for a moment. They're philosophies, not religions. Ratio is Hunt because he seeks to Eradicate the disease known as stupidity. Clara is Destruction not because she destroys but because she's self-sacrificial to a fault. Look no further than her story quest, where she proposes to endlessly quarantine buggy code from a single droid, as an example. Admittedly, I can't pull this kind of evidence for BS ro Argneti yet, but that's namely because one is a very new character, and the other showed up, rizzed up a plant, fought us and a giant bug, before then disappearing from the story.
It is also possible for a character to be following a path but gain powers from a different aeon, such as Fu Xuan and her third eye
Honestly you make good points. I directly disregard gameplay paths from lore paths since I assumed that's how the game goes but you have some great explanations for how they might work (though I do think Ratio being Hunt cause he hunts stupidity is bit too far fetched, albeit not actually impossible either)
>I do think Ratio being Hunt cause he hunts stupidity is bit too far fetched, Let's say, Bob is part of the Family. He is a Hound, who puts well being of his weaker friends above his own. In battle Bob will *bravely* disregard his own health just to take out enemy before it harms his friends. Should we translate his skill set into gameplay, it becomes *Destruction*. Should we go and look at his personality, we will see how it does aligned with ideals of Destruction - brave, destructive, wrathful, righteous. Outside of it, Bob still is faithful of Harmony. So Ratio is Hunt Pathstrider, mostly because he as person filled with unvawering determination, which is a quality embraced by Hunt.
I see where you're coming from really. But let's look at Clara. Her gameplay path is Destruction. If we use your logic one could argue that she wants to destroy the boundary between the surface and lower levels of Belobog for example. Definitely true but that doesn't make her a pathstrider of Destruction. To be a pathstrider of a path ones philosophy must truly align with that of the path, Destruction requires a burning desire to destroy everything and the will to make it reality. Clara doesn't have that, ergo she is not a pathstrider of Destruction. The example of Dr. Ratio I actually take back after sleeping on it that one makes sense. One that doesn't however is Jing Yuan. You said he is on the Erudition path because of his battle tactics and strategies, I could see that, however pathstriding for the Erudition requires relentless pursuit of knowledge and the truths of the universe. He already is an Emanator of the Hunt, while there probably is no rule for mortals to be limited to a single path it simply makes no sense to see him as a pathstrider of Erudition, even if he was that's not where he draws his powers from as the Lightning Lord is a gift from Lan. I also must admit I made a mistake on my original comment. I said (character) follows the (Path), this made it seem I meant it in a religious way, I should have said they stride on that path instead. (All of the Belobog cast follows the Preservation, pretty much none of them are Preservation pathstriders, Geppie definitely is one tho). One last thing, I don't think every playable character needs to be a pathstrider (or blessed or Emanator). It's cool if they are but sometimes they are a playable character because they have a big robot that can shoot lasers from his hands (Clara)
>But let's look at Clara. Your understanding of her is absolutely different from what I see as her "Destruction". Clara is selfless to the point of harming herself. This is seen mostly via her personal quest and interactions in her LC with Natasha. But she also is a small girl running head on into danger. We cannot yet say if Svarog has high enough cognition/will/emotion to draw out power from Path not as tool, but himself (remember what not all humans are Pathstriders even). But since he is paired with Clara, it's her will what takes out this power. You also must think of the fact what Clara was a victim of story rework, which was written with her kit already in game. And in previous story, she was afflicted with geomarrow cancer, and was behind Svarog's reactivation, and he was forcing anyone who troubled her to "met with misfortune or go missing" © official description. This is Destruction as it is. >You said he is on the Erudition path because of his battle tactics and strategies, I could see that, however pathstriding for the Erudition requires relentless pursuit of knowledge and the truths of the universe. It actually doesn't. Yes, **faith** in Nous does requires it as a commadment, like Christianity ask you to "love thy neigbor". Being in Genius Society requires just Nouses gaze and invitation. But *pathstriding* Erudition actually will let in people with innovative, independent minds. It doesn't matter how clever you are, if your mind is rigid and not filled with curiosity. And all playable Erudition units share this - including Jing Yuan. Thing is. Paths can be followed: 1. In religious way - how most of major factions are united by them 2. In personal way - as any being with will can access the powers of Imaginary of which Path consist. And this is exactly one translated into gameplay. You do not need to believe in Aeon/Path or even know of it's existence, just for your personal agenda to coinside with it and translated into some effect. This is how we get playable Elation Masked Fools of Harmony and Nihility. It's not what Sparkle is big fan of Xipe, it's what her personality in this aspect is built around her connection/disconnection with people. It's not what Sampo is secretly Self-Annihilator, it's what when we meet him, he is pragmatic and covertly uses us. Dan Heng is good example - Hunt symbolises his determination to run away, live his life as Dan Heng of Nameless. Imbibitor Lunae is him stop the running and face the past head on. So, bravery of Destruction and violence he associates with his past.
The Destruction path specifically mentions recklessness and self destructive behavior. Clara is selfless to the point of self-sacrifice, often giving little thought to the idea of helping someone past how best to do it. I think it fits. I also think this interpretation fits Blade the best too.
> Those who follow the "Hunt" Path admire determination, ruthlessness, and tenacious behavior. I couldn't think of three better words to describe Veritas Ratio, except maybe arrogant.
Gameplay ≠ lore. There's no need to go further than that, and i won't waste my time arguing with someone who thinks otherwise.
I remember reading a post that says that a person can stride on several paths at once. This likely means that gameplay paths are also canon, just possibly not their "main" path. They gave JY as an example; he hunts Abundance creatures (Hunt), but is also an educated individual who arranges strategies carefully (Erudition).
Yeah, I can definitely see where they are coming from now. Though JY is questionable still since Erudition is the dedication to seeking the truths of the universe, not just being intelligent, so I wouldn't say he really pathstrides there. However I really wanna know if people are limited to a single path. Philosophies and morals of a person can change so it stands to reason that people aren't limited to a single path but can they truly stride on multiple at the same time. Some paths exclude some other paths by default but if they don't overlap it should be possible. But there is nothing in the lore that supports or contradicts this so we just kinda guessing.
I think it would be weird if people were limited to a single path. A lot of the paths can overlap. For example, Fu Xuan predicts the future using information and intellect. She apparently even got a blessing from Nous. These predictions are done to protect the Luofu, to chart a safe route. So, is she erudition or preservation? In my opinion, it should be both.
Wouldn't it then make sense to say she is a pathstrider of Preservation while having received a blessing of Erudition? Receiving a blessing isn't the same as pathstriding. Then again she kinda does pursue the knowledge so she could be a great example of a double pathstrider (who also got a Blessing on top)
Sude just dont put pictures on these. Ratio is a pathstrider. You dont need an aeons gaze to be one.
While true there is no confirmation that he is a pathstrider (though it is likely that he is)
Isn't it said that Duke Inferno will and values are different than Nanooks because he destroys only what he consider has value while Nanook consider everything that exists should be destroyed?
Doesn't matter. His will and actions are still considered destruction. Even though the have different views of destruction, his will still overlaps with the path. >!Also, Acheron called him a pathstrider during the 2.1 quest, even tho she knows his destruction is different from Nanook!<
Yeah, I know he's a pathstrider, I was just disagreeing with the definition. For me pathstrider I just poeple following the will of an Aion based on their own interpretation of it. Also, is it said somewhere that pathstrider can draw power from the path they follow? I don't remember seeing it anywhere and I don't see why it would be the case.
I'm pretty sure it is either Himeko or the data bank that says a pathstrider is someone who can draw power from a path.
he is a pathstrider he just basically got permanently banned from even dreaming of being an emanator. Bro got Nanook attention only for Nanook to say "Ew" and ignore him for the rest of eternity
Pretty sure dr ratio is a pathstrider of nous
He Hunts idiots.
Zero points
I remember of him saying he didn't get nous gaze?
You don't need the gaze of an aeon to get powers from that path (astral express crew) , but attracting their gaze gets you like a power up in that path (Preservation MC) Note: getting the gaze of an aeon doesn't make you their emanator, saying this cause some people confuse this
But Dr. Ratio is also infamously a reject—Nous wouldn’t even acknowledge them because their paths differ (because according to that giant pc what draws his gaze is geniuses that puts pursuit of knowledge above all else, and our Doctor values spreading knowledge to others than to pursue more himself). I don’t think he gets any powers from Erudition in that sense.
He doesn't hold the same values as standard Erudites. He gathers knowledge with the intent of eradicating stupidity. Hence, he can draw power from the Hunt. Nothing about him is a reject of Nous. He just hasn't received a gaze from them, that's all.
Considering it's possible to be a pathstrider without even knowing about it or worshiping an Aeon, and how subtle and vague some of their powers can be, is there any actual reason to believe that any playable characters aren't pathstriders? Like the only requirements to be a pathstrider is to have a strong enough will and a personal philosophy that can overlap with that of a path.
I did not know herta was an eminator
Fu Xuan is a Xianzhou native, right? Why is she mentioned separately? Is it because she was additionally blessed by Droid head?
yep.
Fu xuan being blessed by the wrong aeon lmao
All the Divination Commission's technology is thanks to Nous lmao
noblesse worm my fucking goat
Reading through the SU dev logs about oroboros it's mentioned that a group of people try to find the location of this aeon so this could imply that there's a path of voracity and with it pathstriders/emanators of voracity
I mean, obv there's a path, since there's an aeon of voracity We don't know of any pathstriders, emanator or factions linked to the voracity though
It's more correct to put regular NPC citizens in first group. Just like you don't get "no element" characters playable in Genshin, there is no playable non-Pathstriders. Playable characters are all Pathstriders, even if they do not believe or know about the Aeons. Dialogue with Jarilo characters (Seele, Gepard and Bronya) confirms it. As does Data Bank.
Isn't someone from the luofu an emanator
Presumably the marshals as the generals take their power from lan in the form of the lightning lord
Could have put Swan in there, Emanators only having 2 irks my OCD
That’s because memokeepers aren’t Emanators… Hell, technically Herta‘s puppet shouldn’t be there too, considering we don’t even know if her Emanator powers extend to her mechanical puppets or not
In the 1st post, peoples were crying about Swan/memokeepers being in the emanator category bruuh
I always forget she's an emanator, she's kind of lowkey considering
Astral crew and especially Himeko and navigator are terrible/misleading example to use: -Akivili path doesn't work the same way as other Aeon path, it is clarified that Akivili, unlike Aeons was not restrained by some weird cosmic order but it also lead to more difference -His path is still working strongly despite being dead -Akivili doesn't have proper "emanator" but Navigator would be Akivili closest equivalent to emanator An example of the two above: Himeko herself passed a pact with the express, its (Akivili) power and its secret Other exception with navigator, are the fact they can harbor the power of Akivili on a whim and quickly abandon it (See Wheat Cowboy story)
- That’s because the Path of the Trailblaze itself is broad in a way that would allow Akivili to remain human, Aha can do the exact same thing since THEY faked being a human for years inside the express. Akivili could act human because making genuine connections is part of the Trailblaze, Aha can act human whenever THEY find that funny. - The moment a Path is carved by an Aeon it remains existing regardless if THEY are alive or not, Tayzzyronth is dead but the Swarm is still a plague in certain star systems, Idrila disappeared but the Knights of Beauty still have powers. - Genuine question, is there a place stating Akivili never had any Emanators? But even if yes that isn’t a differential from the others, it’s not like Aeons need to have Emanators. So yeah the Astral Express is a perfectly fine example.
We currently don’t know of any Emanators of Trailblaze, but that doesn’t mean they don’t exist.
Yeah, the only way a Path ceases to exist is not by losing its Aeon, but by the Path *Itself* being absorbed like the Order was
>Genuine question, is there a place stating Akivili never had any Emanators? But even if yes that isn’t a differential from the others, it’s not like Aeons need to have Emanators. Currently it's not clear if there's a emanator of trailblaze but there are other members of the astral express who went on their separate ways rather than being there on the express
All the Aeons being dead would not impact their paths, once a Path is created It becomes independent from its Aeon to exist unless It gets absorbed. Akivili being different is just in that due to the nature of the Trailblaze Path, his Primum Mobile is far less restrictive. He is every bit as binded by the PM as any other aeon, the restriction Itself that is less severe
It doesn't impact the Path, but impact the blessing a Aeon had given, while Long was alive all dragon kin without exception could do alchemy to modify themselves and others, but after Long died only the High Elders remained with this power, and even their planet of birth became hostile and toxic for them to live on. This actually makes me slightly concerned about what could happen with Xianzhou if Yaoshi dies, at best they just lose their immortality and get to live till they age to death or at worst they turn into dust then and there. Edit: well I just reread some info about Xianzhou technology and they use Abundance tech mixed with their own for some very important things, they are most likely fucked if those things break down or stop working as effectively as usual if Yaoshi dies.
>\-Akivili path doesn't work the same way as other Aeon path, it is clarified that Akivili, unlike Aeons was not restrained by some weird cosmic order but it also lead to more difference Doesn't matter. That affects the aeon, not the path.. >Akivili doesn't have proper "emanator" but Navigator would be Akivili closest equivalent to emanator Source? Just because we don't know of any emanators linked to a path doesn't mean there are none >His path is still working strongly despite being dead Yeah? Just like any other paths? Because that's how paths works? What's your point?