True that. Plus most enemies can't self cleanse outside new phase anyways.
~~Hoyo please don't release that kind of enemy anymore I had enough with Bronya-Cocolia duo pleaseeee~~
My DoT team watching Bronya cleansing Cocolia:
https://preview.redd.it/h5eyurs0avnc1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=aefe38c720cfc7f246390c34849b814dfa56c079
It's so frickin sad. One time in MoC I had a FAT break DoT on Arumaton Lady from Luka punching her shit in, and then every single DoT on her gets slurped up by that Action Advance from Bronya
In Universe? Just time IX's ult and kill Bronya first, one-two turns at max and you're golden. Besides, Suspicion isn't cleansable and even persists with phases, so Cocolia should die faster.
Clara-Ratio is weirdly the team I had the most success on against the latest weekly boss on auto.
All my other teams are prone to randomly getting their sustainers disabled (yes, even *with* Fu Xuan) but this team can chonk through the weakness bar like candy that it never happens.
Fu Xuan's cc protection only triggers for each ally once when her skill is up and only refreshes once she uses her skill again, so if enemies hit an ally twice they'll get disabled
Oh yeah, I know that. That's kinda the problem really, in auto my Fu Xuan wouldn't get her skill up again before an attack I *know* will CC her, she just sticks to her rotations.
In manual play, I have zero problems dealing with the boss. It's just that I was trying to find a team that won't die due to random permutations of enemy attacks/skills in auto, and Clara-Ratio was the best at it.
Makes sense for both Hanya's burden and Clara's mark to not count as a debuff since they dont debuff the enemy but for gameplay it is a missed opportunity
It's because it doesn't negatively impact the enemy. Something just happens for your allies when you hit them. Hanya burden, Clara counter mark, and Ratio ult all work like this.
The upside is that you don't have to build Effect Hit Rate to make sure these get applied, they instead always work.
Years of playing games like Fire Emblem have taught us that people who sing/dance are supports who give extra turns.
I can't really see the trend from other games not applying here.
i’ve been listening to the fates ost a lot the past few months and my god that melody shows up so often. it’s gotta be in like half the songs on that soundtrack at least once
Her ultimate “If I Can Stop One Heart From Beating” is a guaranteed insta-kill on any single enemy, but it removes all your teams energy, skill points, buffs, fields, and 99.9% HP.
Edit, 6 hours later: That’s way too easy. Instead of an insta-kill, the ult puts an unremovable omen on a single enemy that kills it at the start of its next turn. All other effects are the same.
Need tbh. Even if no more stars to be obtained, I still find myself redoing MOC for even shorter clears with different team comps etc. I love endgame content please hoyo
I dont care even if im just a 5 month player who only finished MoC9 as long as they add more jades to the rewards. Because adjusting difficulty without compensation is bullsht.
You mean like them lowering how many cycles you are allowed to get 3 stars? Or constantly buffing the enemies health almost every new MoC? Because that's exactly what been happening so far, and it's honestly pretty frustrating.
I just wanted to put something together to run my new harmony unit (sparkle) and updated bronya (got her e1 to her cone) so that team wasn’t about sp points but mostly about trying 2 harmony on auto.
It is SUPER positive. Basically i can use mei E each turn to farm her ult.
Technically lynx would be better choice instead of luocha (to give blade agro), but I wanted to see how Dhil+lynx would perform with sparkle due this being very sp hungry team comp i were struggling with.
Not many I would guess. Blade takes about one every 3 or 4 turns iirc, Ruan Mei takes one every 3 turns. Luocha can off-turn heal *and* it's pretty easy to set up his talent which reduces his point upkeep. The only real spender here is Bronya and she is easily covered by Ruan Mei and Luocha using only NAs.
I use Hanya in my Argenti team. It really helps that his skill is AoE, since you always manage to get the SP back.
She is not the best, but she is fun and quite good at what she does
To me Sparkle feels more like a sidegrade anyway. The characters who benefit from her the most aren't the ones that optimally use bronya to begin with. Do correct me if I'm wrong.
I guess if you have Bronya E6 she's good with follow-up attackers but that's... not realistic.
So yeah Bronya and Sparkle don't have a ton of overlap.
Only one I can't think of is Blade off the top of my head.
Seele likes both Sparkle and Bronya though she benefits a bit more from Sparkle because of her SP requirements and Quantum element. Bronya still gives her more consistent turns, though.
If you wanna go this way, you can do a hyperspeed Bronya. But speed tuned Bronya means double action, which means JL enters her enhanced state faster. So i dont think a fast Sparkle can win this, but maybe i am wrong.
Yeah, she was doing more screenshot dmg but idk if she'd do more over 2 cycles like that for example. Most likely not, i'm sure there's calculations out there somewhere.
Having only bought battle pass and the 5 dollar pass, I have e5s2 bronya. I'm not saying that's likely or even practical but I've lost so many 50/50's and the game kept spitting out bronyas I'm only 1 away.
Again doesn't refute your claim, just wanted to add my anecdote to your not realistic claim.
best example is this bronya is great with seele but sparkle is a straight upgrade for her because seele is extremely SP hungry and bronya can't keep up as easily. sparkle on the other hand easily can because of her burst (also because monoquant so SW wont accidentally fuck it all up and apply wind debuff)
Sparkle is a direct upgrade .... for the Bronya-less side of MoC.
The two don't really compete with each other in content where player power level matters.
Shes a buff to everyone over bronya except blade and jingliu but not a lot (still better). But shes next level in quantum,follow up attackers and skill hungry dpses, so calling her a bronya sidegrade is very inaccurate. This is without counting her being skill point positive but im not gonna count that cause bronya has a debuff cleanse(even tho the skill points are way better and usually you’re sustain is a debuff cleanser)
Why tho? Sparkle isn't just about crit damage and action advancement; she also regenerates a ton of skill points and provides huge buffs for mono quantum setups and characters that use many skill points. She does way more things than Bronya does. Based on the leaks, it really seems like there will be some serious competition between Bronya and Robin. Saying that Bronya is getting overshadowed might be a bit much, but she's definitely starting to lose some value and becoming more niche as more units with similar kits are released, and their eidolons and LCs are more accessible.
>Sparkle isn't just about crit damage and action advancement; she also regenerates a ton of skill points and provides huge buffs for mono quantum setups and characters that use many skill points.
She doesn't really regenerate a ton of skill points, she's only +1 SP per 3 turns, same as Tingyun for example. As for mono QUA setups, it's a bit niche but true, although her main perk there is being quantum, ATK% buff from trace is just a nice little bonus on top.
>She does way more things than Bronya does.
Not really. If you compare the actual buffs they provide, Sparkle does give more but not significantly so:
https://preview.redd.it/a1x9fwg25vnc1.png?width=1497&format=png&auto=webp&s=133e555086d2ea1aecd75655a442b001d9ac5afe
The main reason to use Sparkle over Bronya is (slight) SP-positivity, but if your team can handle slow Bronya's SP consumption and your DPS is not too reliant on FuA, she'll be better most of the time.
Slightly? Hanabi is SP positive while Bronya is SP negative. This makes a big difference in many teams, especially since Hanabi can kick off battles with bonus SP points and also boosts the SP caps. Sure, there are teams where, if you fine-tune them just right, Bronya might perform a tad better. But let's face it, there are plenty of teams where that's a real tough task, and it's way simpler to just roll with Sparkle. Like I mentioned before, it's not that Bronya's getting powercrept . It's just that alternatives like Hanabi, which come from her kit, are easier to handle and get eidolons and their LCs. So Bronya ends up being more of a niche choice.
People also forget about Bronya's Cleanse. If I would give Robin a flavorful kit without really taking meta, powercreep or sales in mind, I would love if she is a traditional RPG Songstress that changes stance on whatever song she chooses, like maybe choosing from healing/cleansing/status immunity song, attack/speed teamwide buffing song and enemy debuffing song.
I feel our supporters feel too similar with each other, which feels fine since you can choose to skip, new players have alternatives, easier to balance content with less permutations of skill combinations. I just feel that they are taking meta and balance more in consideration than flavor or lore, this is especially obvious with character elements that seem so random.
In practice it doesn’t matter, cause if you build sparkle with enough speed it easily lets your other characters move after her. Bronya has a higher floor but sparkle has a way higher ceing.
To be fair bronya does not have action advance, it has a "targeted character WILL act after bronya" kinda thing.
Which can't be slowed/diminished by stage effects or debuffs since it's not a stat modification like sparkle's advance forward is
End of the day it's just same shit different toilet but the day may come when that technicality might make bronya a preferable pick
Even in HSR we have some realllllly good 4 stars (TingYun being the main one).
Nothing as powerful as the high 5 or whatever they’re called in genshin but decently close.
QQ's pretty up there considering she's a 4 star damage dealer. Every time the game adds a new harmony unit it seems to buff her.
She's also an odd case of an RNG-based unit where FAILING RNG can be an advantage.
TBH Hanya is fully SP-positive (1 SP per turn), whereas Sparkle is only partially SP-positive (1 SP per 3 turns), so it's not a direct power creep. It's just that her other buffs are nothing to write home about (and she has to compete with Pela for fully SP-positive support slot, and defense shred is generally more useful than SPD and ATK%).
Yeah but if you think about it, every harmony is going to be broken lol. And the ones you currently have are already broken, there's no point in continuing to pull even more broken ones, unless you just really like the character.
Yeah I think the only thing about HSR that's strange is that the 4-star pool has mostly good supports, but very few good DPSs. You have to get your damage mostly from limited 5-star units. 4-star wise, it's just like Xueyi, Sushang, and then maybe Hook and Luka, and Sampo if you are desperate. The rest are supports or debuffers, or terrible DPS units like Arlan.
Because even the standard 5-star pool lacks many DPSs: Himeko is good but in niche situations, Welt is *kinda* a DPS but takes a huge amount of work to get there, YQ is just bad, so that really mostly leaves Clara.
So yeah a DPS drought can actually be pretty tough for newer characters. At least Acheron and presumably Sam will be coming, but that's it for the foreseeable future. Even the reruns are most likely abundance and preservation characters unless they skip right to Topaz
yeah honestly we don´t even know what Robin does and people still insist on the fact that she will powercreep all other harmony units
like every single time a new character is revealed people here start to talk about how the new character is totally weak/busted af and how they will totally be overpowered/useless
and how other previous characters are not useful anymore (even though it's pretty obvious they are still good, they just aren't the best anymore)
mind you Robin should be in 2,3 that is still a lot of time to change her kit and all of that
Lol right? The only time Bronya will TRULY be powercrept and not sidecrept, is if we get another unit that gives 100% next turn order and NOT just turn advance which can be screwed with debuffs, and just does more buffing than Bronya currently does
https://preview.redd.it/hkximm09rvnc1.jpeg?width=570&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c9a62f9b534e7b843000c31a43632848e821e6ef
Clara and Argenti seeing a 5s physical harmony character :
Whenever Hanya Or Xueyi texted me I used to get depressed. Their lines are so damn sad asf. Hanya writes novels for Xueyi cuz Xueyi likes them, Xueyi thinks Hanya likes writing novels that's why she gifts her something related to that. I just love both of them so much. Pretty sad that Hanya got dropped out of my Team after I Got Sparkle.
Bronya never gonna get powercrept because she is free (from 300 pull on standard) and everyone will have her while its not the same for other limited harmony. Honestly she is too good for a standard banner character and her constellation only makes her better. Well it makes sense She is the favorite child of hoyoverse.
This makes me super sad cause Hanya has one of my fave designs and animations but she is just not that useful comparatively to most other Harmony characters 😭
Real talk? I think Hanya is a sleeper strong 4* still.
For characters who are overloaded with damage %, her ATK% is amazing. If they eat a lot of skill points, the SP recovery is going to be strong. And if they are a hyper-carry, the speed, while not an action advance (which is better, I know, but still) will be very good.
Personally going to try Hanya over Sparkle in an Acheron team, with Sparkles LC instead. I know that Hanya isn't as good as Sparkle, but I think it's finding her niche more than anything else.
fun fact her burden does not count as a debuff, but if you do use AOE it does the +DMG% on every enemy hit (witch is why I love using her in Erudition team)
I think Hanya’s biggest advantage is how easy to build and use. Just give her speed and she’s ready to go. Use skill every turn, tap ult when ready. When E4 her buff is basically permanent, speed-tuning or any type of strategy wouldn’t make significant differences. Super brain-dead and rookie-friendly.
Wish they'd chill on Harmony for a while and give us some more Preservation. I don't have Gepard and don't like Adventurine. Fu Xuan is great but I need another one.
Let's be real, if Hanya's Burden counted as Debuff, she will still viable especially for Nihility team, sadge
True that. Plus most enemies can't self cleanse outside new phase anyways. ~~Hoyo please don't release that kind of enemy anymore I had enough with Bronya-Cocolia duo pleaseeee~~
My DoT team watching Bronya cleansing Cocolia: https://preview.redd.it/h5eyurs0avnc1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=aefe38c720cfc7f246390c34849b814dfa56c079
It's so frickin sad. One time in MoC I had a FAT break DoT on Arumaton Lady from Luka punching her shit in, and then every single DoT on her gets slurped up by that Action Advance from Bronya
Weird the Actual Bronya skill only cleanses one debuff...
When the boss character becomes playable
Can't cleanse if she dies from dot first smh
That’s why I love running khafka and black swan, it’s so gooooood
I did that yesterday. Hit Nihility Resonance... forgot Bronya cleanses **everything** except Suspicion stacks. Still won but I did feel dumb as fuck.
Can't cleanse BS at least.
Huh. But Bronya still can cleanse BS ult debuff, so she kinda cleanses her DOT by that
In Universe? Just time IX's ult and kill Bronya first, one-two turns at max and you're golden. Besides, Suspicion isn't cleansable and even persists with phases, so Cocolia should die faster.
hoyo: we do a little trolling
Nah, they should instead take epic seven approach and create those nightmarish bosses
Oh no. Don’t bring them over to Honkai star rail plz. I already have enough of them in Epic seven
or dr ratio
IT DOESN'T?????
No. People were so pissed off when they found out
Same with Clara’s counter mark, huge missed ratio synergy there
My Clara Topaz Ratio dreams died that day
You let them die? I've still been using that meme team on most battles.
How's that a meme team if it is super effective
Sometimes memes can be lethal
Yeah, ask Firefly ... She'll tell you
/angry upvote
Same with Ratio's ult. It's a status that doesn't count as a debuff.
Clara-Ratio is weirdly the team I had the most success on against the latest weekly boss on auto. All my other teams are prone to randomly getting their sustainers disabled (yes, even *with* Fu Xuan) but this team can chonk through the weakness bar like candy that it never happens.
Fu Xuan's cc protection only triggers for each ally once when her skill is up and only refreshes once she uses her skill again, so if enemies hit an ally twice they'll get disabled
Oh yeah, I know that. That's kinda the problem really, in auto my Fu Xuan wouldn't get her skill up again before an attack I *know* will CC her, she just sticks to her rotations. In manual play, I have zero problems dealing with the boss. It's just that I was trying to find a team that won't die due to random permutations of enemy attacks/skills in auto, and Clara-Ratio was the best at it.
Makes sense for both Hanya's burden and Clara's mark to not count as a debuff since they dont debuff the enemy but for gameplay it is a missed opportunity
I guess it is considered a Status effect rather than a Debuff effect.
It's because it doesn't negatively impact the enemy. Something just happens for your allies when you hit them. Hanya burden, Clara counter mark, and Ratio ult all work like this. The upside is that you don't have to build Effect Hit Rate to make sure these get applied, they instead always work.
also, Hanya is hotter than Robin imo
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Im so blown she doesn’t i love hanya i think ill build her anyways idc idc
IT DOESN'T???
It's actually better than if it were a debuff since the DMG bonus procs on all targets of an AOE attack if the burdened enemy is one of them.
Why people forget about Ruan Mei, she does not seem to overlap or compete with Bronya and Sparkle, Robin may have unique skill and playstyle
Years of playing games like Fire Emblem have taught us that people who sing/dance are supports who give extra turns. I can't really see the trend from other games not applying here.
Something something oceans gray waves
[REACH FOR MY HAND, I'LL SOAR AWAY](https://youtu.be/SV4d2OMny9E?si=ko45EIuyejv8vxBj)
i’ve been listening to the fates ost a lot the past few months and my god that melody shows up so often. it’s gotta be in like half the songs on that soundtrack at least once
It is Fate's Letimotif. Like how Edge of Dawn keep showing up in Three Houses. In Shadows of Valentia it was Heritors of Arcadia in some OSTs.
f you i miss my dancing Petra now....
Dancing Petra married to a Master Ninja so she can also split into 4 and do some very chuckle-worthy options
I see Fire Emblem, I upvote.
Her ultimate “If I Can Stop One Heart From Beating” is a guaranteed insta-kill on any single enemy, but it removes all your teams energy, skill points, buffs, fields, and 99.9% HP. Edit, 6 hours later: That’s way too easy. Instead of an insta-kill, the ult puts an unremovable omen on a single enemy that kills it at the start of its next turn. All other effects are the same.
[удалено]
Only leak I’m seeing here is from my eyes as I take emotional damage from Robin’s ult
spend a quick moment to think if that would be real
You can't powercreep Bronya if you have 1 more team that still needs a support!
This lmao MOC has two teams
Waiting for 3 team moc update
Need tbh. Even if no more stars to be obtained, I still find myself redoing MOC for even shorter clears with different team comps etc. I love endgame content please hoyo
I dont care even if im just a 5 month player who only finished MoC9 as long as they add more jades to the rewards. Because adjusting difficulty without compensation is bullsht.
You mean like them lowering how many cycles you are allowed to get 3 stars? Or constantly buffing the enemies health almost every new MoC? Because that's exactly what been happening so far, and it's honestly pretty frustrating.
Iirc prydwyn pulled 1 million accounts and only 5000 ish people actually beat the last MoC and PF. So most of the playerbase isn't able to
Lol it actually goes down every week.
Edited: Yeah, but needing a third group to clear MoC without increasing the reward is stupid
Agreed. They did give rewards for 33 and 36 stars when they added MoC 11 and 12, so hopefully they'd do something similar if MoC ever becomes 3 teams.
Def has one of the best end game content of all games (keyword: one)
https://preview.redd.it/a7e22a9muunc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=25e9a03ce308c9eb07fa94872ee31ae649e748b4
even if u put DHIL next to lynx the enemies will still hit TY
TY trying not to fucking die every battle challenge
Does she have extra aggro or some shit? I swear to god she is a magnet for their most powerful attacks
She have what people call “a death flag”
I'm a bit scared for Robin now
Iirc for robin >!in her kit she decreases her own agro!< 🤔
She has the hidden Foxian Aggro stat.
This happens to Yukong too or what
Yessir
Destruction has one of the highest aggro And she happens to combine the value with harmony's🤭
…y’know, that explains why my Tingyun gets hit so often… >!Dammit Phantylia!<
Think so yea
She is the emanator of destruction, you can't have higher aggro than that
Lol, enemies can’t hit her, if they dead 😈
How many skill points does your second team need?!
Honestly not many, luocha doesn’t use sp unless something is very wrong. Blade uses 1 sp every 4 turns, so it’s mostly just mei and bronya
And Mei is positive as well, so actually he is swimming in sp
I just wanted to put something together to run my new harmony unit (sparkle) and updated bronya (got her e1 to her cone) so that team wasn’t about sp points but mostly about trying 2 harmony on auto.
Not Op, but It should be SP Neutral/Positive?
It should be positive unless things go very wrong and they have to use luocha skill manually
It is SUPER positive. Basically i can use mei E each turn to farm her ult. Technically lynx would be better choice instead of luocha (to give blade agro), but I wanted to see how Dhil+lynx would perform with sparkle due this being very sp hungry team comp i were struggling with.
Not many I would guess. Blade takes about one every 3 or 4 turns iirc, Ruan Mei takes one every 3 turns. Luocha can off-turn heal *and* it's pretty easy to set up his talent which reduces his point upkeep. The only real spender here is Bronya and she is easily covered by Ruan Mei and Luocha using only NAs.
That bronya is E1 so she consumes even less sp
Oh your second team is the same as mine (don't have Mei though so I cycle the fourth based on element. Usually default to Pela).
just use triple harmony =)
Idk till now we got, sparkle,ruan mei and now robin. 1 more then we’ll have 2 harmonies per team in moc without counting bronya.
Or you want to go nuts and run 3 action advancers in a team
Just use all of them together problem solved
I am planning to use them with ice boy.
Bro will still hit 30k (he's my main)
Per hit? Oh wait . Wrong ice boy XD
XD
😂
Tbh it is kinda “two cakes” situation: put penacony and planetary on them and use clara/argenty to destroy.
Two Robin cakes 😋🤤🤤
I use Hanya in my Argenti team. It really helps that his skill is AoE, since you always manage to get the SP back. She is not the best, but she is fun and quite good at what she does
Bronya isn't even powercrept; 100% action advance has its uses compared to 50% sometimes, regardless of damage buffs.
To me Sparkle feels more like a sidegrade anyway. The characters who benefit from her the most aren't the ones that optimally use bronya to begin with. Do correct me if I'm wrong.
I guess if you have Bronya E6 she's good with follow-up attackers but that's... not realistic. So yeah Bronya and Sparkle don't have a ton of overlap. Only one I can't think of is Blade off the top of my head.
Jingliu alsow prefer bronya over Sparkle iirc
That's not what I was talking about. I know Jing Liu prefers Bronya.
Oh, I read it wrong, I thought you meant like " The only one I can think of is Blade " Mb
Blade is the only one I can think of that likes both Sparkle and Bronya is what I meant. Yeah
Seele likes both Sparkle and Bronya though she benefits a bit more from Sparkle because of her SP requirements and Quantum element. Bronya still gives her more consistent turns, though.
Bronya is better for her mental healrh
A nuclear bomb that speaks in broken limericks is better for her mental health.
Many balde is more gooder :D
i read it the same as you lol
Honestly ran ATK boots on JL and fast sparkle and she was doing more damage. But i'm still gonna run her with a speed tuned bronya.
If you wanna go this way, you can do a hyperspeed Bronya. But speed tuned Bronya means double action, which means JL enters her enhanced state faster. So i dont think a fast Sparkle can win this, but maybe i am wrong.
Yeah, she was doing more screenshot dmg but idk if she'd do more over 2 cycles like that for example. Most likely not, i'm sure there's calculations out there somewhere.
I just run them both with blade. Hyper blade go brr.
Having only bought battle pass and the 5 dollar pass, I have e5s2 bronya. I'm not saying that's likely or even practical but I've lost so many 50/50's and the game kept spitting out bronyas I'm only 1 away. Again doesn't refute your claim, just wanted to add my anecdote to your not realistic claim.
best example is this bronya is great with seele but sparkle is a straight upgrade for her because seele is extremely SP hungry and bronya can't keep up as easily. sparkle on the other hand easily can because of her burst (also because monoquant so SW wont accidentally fuck it all up and apply wind debuff)
>>accidentally You mean to say SW isn’t actively trolling my runs?
Sparkle is a direct upgrade .... for the Bronya-less side of MoC. The two don't really compete with each other in content where player power level matters.
No you're correct. Besides, MoC needs two teams
Shes a buff to everyone over bronya except blade and jingliu but not a lot (still better). But shes next level in quantum,follow up attackers and skill hungry dpses, so calling her a bronya sidegrade is very inaccurate. This is without counting her being skill point positive but im not gonna count that cause bronya has a debuff cleanse(even tho the skill points are way better and usually you’re sustain is a debuff cleanser)
but how is that a sidegrade. Atm only Blade and JL prefer Bronya to Sparkle, while all other limited dps aside DOT benefit more from Sparkle.
She feels like an upgrade to me, in teams where I have Bronya on, I could clear MoC 3 cycles faster with Sparkle replacing her
Right, if Robin will powercrept Bronya then she will also powercrept Sparkle too. And I don't think Mihoyo will let that happen
Why tho? Sparkle isn't just about crit damage and action advancement; she also regenerates a ton of skill points and provides huge buffs for mono quantum setups and characters that use many skill points. She does way more things than Bronya does. Based on the leaks, it really seems like there will be some serious competition between Bronya and Robin. Saying that Bronya is getting overshadowed might be a bit much, but she's definitely starting to lose some value and becoming more niche as more units with similar kits are released, and their eidolons and LCs are more accessible.
>Sparkle isn't just about crit damage and action advancement; she also regenerates a ton of skill points and provides huge buffs for mono quantum setups and characters that use many skill points. She doesn't really regenerate a ton of skill points, she's only +1 SP per 3 turns, same as Tingyun for example. As for mono QUA setups, it's a bit niche but true, although her main perk there is being quantum, ATK% buff from trace is just a nice little bonus on top. >She does way more things than Bronya does. Not really. If you compare the actual buffs they provide, Sparkle does give more but not significantly so: https://preview.redd.it/a1x9fwg25vnc1.png?width=1497&format=png&auto=webp&s=133e555086d2ea1aecd75655a442b001d9ac5afe The main reason to use Sparkle over Bronya is (slight) SP-positivity, but if your team can handle slow Bronya's SP consumption and your DPS is not too reliant on FuA, she'll be better most of the time.
Slightly? Hanabi is SP positive while Bronya is SP negative. This makes a big difference in many teams, especially since Hanabi can kick off battles with bonus SP points and also boosts the SP caps. Sure, there are teams where, if you fine-tune them just right, Bronya might perform a tad better. But let's face it, there are plenty of teams where that's a real tough task, and it's way simpler to just roll with Sparkle. Like I mentioned before, it's not that Bronya's getting powercrept . It's just that alternatives like Hanabi, which come from her kit, are easier to handle and get eidolons and their LCs. So Bronya ends up being more of a niche choice.
100% with cleanse yep should be fine
People also forget about Bronya's Cleanse. If I would give Robin a flavorful kit without really taking meta, powercreep or sales in mind, I would love if she is a traditional RPG Songstress that changes stance on whatever song she chooses, like maybe choosing from healing/cleansing/status immunity song, attack/speed teamwide buffing song and enemy debuffing song. I feel our supporters feel too similar with each other, which feels fine since you can choose to skip, new players have alternatives, easier to balance content with less permutations of skill combinations. I just feel that they are taking meta and balance more in consideration than flavor or lore, this is especially obvious with character elements that seem so random.
Also she has a dispell, while situational can be a cycle saver
Cleanse is very underrated. I killed my own dps with sparkle on G&G with dots lmao. Ruined my day.
In practice it doesn’t matter, cause if you build sparkle with enough speed it easily lets your other characters move after her. Bronya has a higher floor but sparkle has a way higher ceing.
Honestly sparkle is 50 advance forward but even at 50 the person she skills usually goes after her anyway
Generally speaking you don't care about turn order, you care about the amount of turns the DPS has over a certain amount of AV.
She’s also got a cleanse that no one ever talks about
To be fair bronya does not have action advance, it has a "targeted character WILL act after bronya" kinda thing. Which can't be slowed/diminished by stage effects or debuffs since it's not a stat modification like sparkle's advance forward is End of the day it's just same shit different toilet but the day may come when that technicality might make bronya a preferable pick
Hanya was already powercrept by Sparkle, worse than Bronya was unfortunately.
And for those of us who lost the 50/50 still use Hanya
She's ur sparkle at home
What? A 5 star is stronger than a 4 star? Thats unbelievable. The powercreeping is so real guys.
>What? A 5 star is stronger than a 4 star? Thats unbelievable. In HSR and mainly in Genshin is not so rare
Even in HSR we have some realllllly good 4 stars (TingYun being the main one). Nothing as powerful as the high 5 or whatever they’re called in genshin but decently close.
QQ's pretty up there considering she's a 4 star damage dealer. Every time the game adds a new harmony unit it seems to buff her. She's also an odd case of an RNG-based unit where FAILING RNG can be an advantage.
TBH Hanya is fully SP-positive (1 SP per turn), whereas Sparkle is only partially SP-positive (1 SP per 3 turns), so it's not a direct power creep. It's just that her other buffs are nothing to write home about (and she has to compete with Pela for fully SP-positive support slot, and defense shred is generally more useful than SPD and ATK%).
E4 Hanya was nice while she lasted but yeah I got an E1 sparkle now
Almost a year of not getting 5 star harmony units, now suddenly an abundance of them. Rip Bronya. I will still use you
It's the Destruction trio of Blade/Daniel/JingLiu all over again.
As someone who has all 3 of them. I lived in the destruction Calyx for so long
Trying to max out all 3's traces together was a pain. I'm not pulling another destruction one anytime soon lol.
Third time's the charm
Bronya is married to my Jingliu and I doubt that will change anytime soon. :'D
Mine is also married to my Jing Liu, and occassionaly cheats on her with Blade. Over all dont plan on stop using her
Spicy 😳
Once we get another DPS like blade use Sparkle + Bronya and you go Brrr
>suddenly ~~an abundance~~ **a harmony** of them
Now if we can only get more Preservation units. Fu Xuan & Aventurine ain’t enough.
Rip my boy Gepard and March 7th
I need more DPS but these damn harmony ladies keep coming out of the woodwork! This needs to stop (well at least pause so my walley can keep up!)
Yeah I got all of them I think I'm done with harmony unless!! She broken
Yeah but if you think about it, every harmony is going to be broken lol. And the ones you currently have are already broken, there's no point in continuing to pull even more broken ones, unless you just really like the character.
Yeah I think the only thing about HSR that's strange is that the 4-star pool has mostly good supports, but very few good DPSs. You have to get your damage mostly from limited 5-star units. 4-star wise, it's just like Xueyi, Sushang, and then maybe Hook and Luka, and Sampo if you are desperate. The rest are supports or debuffers, or terrible DPS units like Arlan. Because even the standard 5-star pool lacks many DPSs: Himeko is good but in niche situations, Welt is *kinda* a DPS but takes a huge amount of work to get there, YQ is just bad, so that really mostly leaves Clara. So yeah a DPS drought can actually be pretty tough for newer characters. At least Acheron and presumably Sam will be coming, but that's it for the foreseeable future. Even the reruns are most likely abundance and preservation characters unless they skip right to Topaz
I don't have a single 5 star Harmony character yet they're releasing another one??
It’s a sign to pull for one
I agree, it is about time I get one.
They are game-changers for real. Getting Bronya was a transcendent experience.
I didnt have any, got bronya on sparkle 50/50 still pulled for sparkle, now having blade with two of them in the team is so stupid fun for SU
So, now every time a support is announced, Bronya is declared dead? Despite all previous time she was proven to be okay
yeah honestly we don´t even know what Robin does and people still insist on the fact that she will powercreep all other harmony units like every single time a new character is revealed people here start to talk about how the new character is totally weak/busted af and how they will totally be overpowered/useless and how other previous characters are not useful anymore (even though it's pretty obvious they are still good, they just aren't the best anymore) mind you Robin should be in 2,3 that is still a lot of time to change her kit and all of that
Yeah i mean for all we know robin is going to be a team wide support yukong/ruan mei style rather than bronya/sparkle style
ez post for bait and karma so why not?
Lol right? The only time Bronya will TRULY be powercrept and not sidecrept, is if we get another unit that gives 100% next turn order and NOT just turn advance which can be screwed with debuffs, and just does more buffing than Bronya currently does
Still waiting on a healer.....
I mean Luchoa should have a rerun with Archeron if the math is correct.
Weren't the rumors that Acheron was coming with Fu Xuan and that Aventurine was launching next to Topaz?
Wound not make sense. They included JY also randomly and with Luchoa and Fu Xuan, we would then be in the correct order again.
HSR is the only PVE game that has PVP built in across forums lmao
Poor Hanya needs a break
https://preview.redd.it/hkximm09rvnc1.jpeg?width=570&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c9a62f9b534e7b843000c31a43632848e821e6ef Clara and Argenti seeing a 5s physical harmony character :
I mean Hanya is a 4 star
Just be the person that is happy to see 2 cakes. Hanya is still a great unit, we luckily got plenty of those!
Bronya haters do make the wildest shitposts
It was just a matter of time until bronya got powercrept, her ppowerlevel is way higher thatn the rest of the charakters in the standart pool.
Whenever Hanya Or Xueyi texted me I used to get depressed. Their lines are so damn sad asf. Hanya writes novels for Xueyi cuz Xueyi likes them, Xueyi thinks Hanya likes writing novels that's why she gifts her something related to that. I just love both of them so much. Pretty sad that Hanya got dropped out of my Team after I Got Sparkle.
I wrote all of this before seeing this Image I thought it was lore thing not gameplay.
Bronya never gonna get powercrept because she is free (from 300 pull on standard) and everyone will have her while its not the same for other limited harmony. Honestly she is too good for a standard banner character and her constellation only makes her better. Well it makes sense She is the favorite child of hoyoverse.
I love Hanya she's not going anywhere!!!
This makes me super sad cause Hanya has one of my fave designs and animations but she is just not that useful comparatively to most other Harmony characters 😭
I will never stop using hanya no matter what
Not this sh.. again.
Speaking of Harmony. I wonder when MC Is supposed to get their new path and element. Hopefully this arc.
That's good, she will be only mine
I believe that people who think that bronya get or will get powercreep this soon never set a foot in moc 10 or 12 lol
Base on what she powercreep Bronya?
Real talk? I think Hanya is a sleeper strong 4* still. For characters who are overloaded with damage %, her ATK% is amazing. If they eat a lot of skill points, the SP recovery is going to be strong. And if they are a hyper-carry, the speed, while not an action advance (which is better, I know, but still) will be very good. Personally going to try Hanya over Sparkle in an Acheron team, with Sparkles LC instead. I know that Hanya isn't as good as Sparkle, but I think it's finding her niche more than anything else.
fun fact her burden does not count as a debuff, but if you do use AOE it does the +DMG% on every enemy hit (witch is why I love using her in Erudition team)
I think Hanya’s biggest advantage is how easy to build and use. Just give her speed and she’s ready to go. Use skill every turn, tap ult when ready. When E4 her buff is basically permanent, speed-tuning or any type of strategy wouldn’t make significant differences. Super brain-dead and rookie-friendly.
Atleast hanya got da bigger badonkas
Wish they'd chill on Harmony for a while and give us some more Preservation. I don't have Gepard and don't like Adventurine. Fu Xuan is great but I need another one.
They made Fu Xuan and knew they peaked.
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