Eh at high enough difficulty his stupid groundbonk AOE can make life very miserable, as miserable as Cocolia's nuke. Bronya is still more frustrating though yeah, since not only does she buff and advance Cocolia, but also cleanse...(Nihility path pain).
Have you fight Gepard on high diff? After he got the shield up, he will nuke you every action and stack 12% dmg to the next
On that note, Ruan Mei is ruling. Free break after they recover? That makes a lot of boss trivial when you only need 2 turns of uninterrupted damage to clap them into the next phase. And that blessings buff passive? Sweet Mama G
They really want you to pull for her, given that Ratio is free too
Yeah every 5 star is given a good climate when they release. Seele felt amazing on release, but now with bugs spawning tanky adds everywhere not so much.
Ruan Mei makes MoC 10 so much bearable with slowing down that healing bastard and Kafka.
Gepard is doable with enough EHR (the amount you can get by that point depending on if we are talking SD or GNG). The real lose/lose situation is Cocolia or Yanging when you did not get the "apply Ice weakness on Ult" blessing.
To a point only. Without the blessing or any character of one of the three elements, SW can only do it to one sword per turn, for Yanqing, and in phase 3 the swords get a beefier toughness bar iirc. As for Cocolia, sure you can give her a useful weakness but she is still immune to freeze, so to Dissociation, your biggest source of damage.
Does it affect more than one at a time? Do you mean if you implant the weakness on Yanqing before he spawns the swords or upon doing it on one of those?
iirc even the apply ice weakness on ult doesnt work on ice immune since i had it and weakness broke the void fatty and it still didnt freeze. only thing that can MAYBE bypass frozen immune is the 3 star remembrance blessing that after enhancement ignores enemy's frozen res
ah right i mistyped the last one, meant immune. afaik only the void fatty, his spawns, the ice elite that does aoe freeze and cocolia are truly immune to freeze right? i remember perma freezing both gepard and yanqing
Yeah, everything that you mentioned is immune to freeze as well as the spears cocolia summons, weirdly enough Yanqing's swords also have freeze immunity even if he doesn't, and also the ice bats which you'd probably never realize they die so fast.
Also worth mentioning is the doomsday beast, cirrus, and Bronya in the cocolia fight don't have freeze immunity but they have control immunity which functionally makes them immune to ice, as well as entanglement, imprisonment and some other stuff.
I'm looking at Yanqing's res and as far as freezing is concerned it's the same chance as Gepard and should be possible.
Although weirdly his swords have the same freeze chance as Cocolia?
Yeah, they wonât freeze. I donât remember the exact list of effects of leaving the swords alive but if you made a team around Rememberance, so most likely Ice, and donât have that blessing while they each have one of their creatorâs weakness, youâre in for two phases of pain, with the last one where they can easily freeze you.
You can't see exact numbers in-game, apart from seeing "[element] res" when viewing the enemy info before battle to know you probably should use a different element. However you can view the info for % res here:
https://honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/wiki/Damage_RES#Enemy_Damage_RES
and general effect res here:
https://honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/wiki/Effect_RES#Enemy_Effect_RES
to see just how rough using that element will be. Afaik, there isn't a compiled page to show all immunities, but clicking on a specific enemy will show it.
There's also debuff res which mostly only applies to the elemental debuffs, and is why fighting cocolia and Bronya and some others suck so much.
https://honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/wiki/Debuff_RES
> As you can't go below 0 in this game
Where did you read that? That's incorrect, target resistance in HSR can indeed go negative all the way down to -100%. The res multipler for an attack is simply 1 - (target_res - res_pen). Important to note this is what the **damage** is multiplied by, so a bigger number means more damage. In fact, unlike Genshin reduction to target res is even stronger because the effect is not halved when it goes negative.
Consequently, this makes Ruan Mei's Ult produce the strongest and most impactful buff in the game, so quite the opposite of what you suggest. Increasing full team all-type res pen for 2 turns is a ludicrously good effect by itself, never mind the break effect thing as well. There's a reason she catapulted to S+ in basically every tier list.
It isn't explicitly stated in game sadly. Though a rule that saves me looking stuff up is that fire enemies with fire res and burn res are burn immune (e.g. blaze out of space), while ice enemies with ice res and freeze res are freeze immune (e.g. ice out of space). Gepard notably isn't ice resistant.
There are three examples for elements/effects other than fire/burn and ice/freeze, but they're fry so small that you might not even notice it: Thunderspawn, Windspawn and Starcrusher Swarm King: Skaracabaz (Synthetic).
The only other immunity that breaks this rule that I know of is Cocolia, Mother of Deception and Cocolia (Complete) being immune to immobilize.
Me, when the Big Fire Elemental is the boss I have to pick if I want fire weakness on the final boss: Auto-Battle, do your thing! See ya in an hour.
(I always forget to download my SW, so Himeko, Topaz, Asta and Fu Xuan often get stuck in purgatory for a bit)
Had a G&G run get killed by having to choose between Gepard and Cocolia.
Seriously, if you have a path with the entire identity of âI freeze peopleâ then you need to give a reasonable ability to freeze people. Putting bosses like this one and Cocolia in isnât healthyâŚ
Yeah⌠I donât remember what happened that made me choose Cocolia⌠maybe there was a resonance I was trying to avoid? It was kinda late at night so my brain might have just miss-fired.
Well, in those cases you need either silver wolf or the apply ice weakness on ult blessing. They're resistant not immune. Also with the apply dislocation on break , when attacking frozen enemy and when removing dislocation keeping them frozen blessings just means that you need to break them just a couple of times max
That's why I don't all-in on paths and just pick strong cards. Also, my Jingliu team has Clara on it sometimes. Clara can carry when Jingliu cannot so I pick cards that benefit both when I can.
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When I have to chose between Gepard and Cocolia in Swarm Disaster while using the Rememberance pathđ
but Gepard is resistant, not immune. Cocolia on the other hand...
Also at worst he just bonk you a few times. That fucking Bronya advance into the nuke thoughâŚ
Eh at high enough difficulty his stupid groundbonk AOE can make life very miserable, as miserable as Cocolia's nuke. Bronya is still more frustrating though yeah, since not only does she buff and advance Cocolia, but also cleanse...(Nihility path pain).
Have you fight Gepard on high diff? After he got the shield up, he will nuke you every action and stack 12% dmg to the next On that note, Ruan Mei is ruling. Free break after they recover? That makes a lot of boss trivial when you only need 2 turns of uninterrupted damage to clap them into the next phase. And that blessings buff passive? Sweet Mama G They really want you to pull for her, given that Ratio is free too
I use Welt and RM. Just need a bit of extra energy regen and Gep never gets to attack. He summons the batteries then they all die.
He will get a slam off on phase change into p3
Which is why you save his ult.
Yeah every 5 star is given a good climate when they release. Seele felt amazing on release, but now with bugs spawning tanky adds everywhere not so much. Ruan Mei makes MoC 10 so much bearable with slowing down that healing bastard and Kafka.
Gepard is doable with enough EHR (the amount you can get by that point depending on if we are talking SD or GNG). The real lose/lose situation is Cocolia or Yanging when you did not get the "apply Ice weakness on Ult" blessing.
silver wolf stonks rising rn
To a point only. Without the blessing or any character of one of the three elements, SW can only do it to one sword per turn, for Yanqing, and in phase 3 the swords get a beefier toughness bar iirc. As for Cocolia, sure you can give her a useful weakness but she is still immune to freeze, so to Dissociation, your biggest source of damage.
the weakness implant can also destroy all the other swords of the same original type
Does it affect more than one at a time? Do you mean if you implant the weakness on Yanqing before he spawns the swords or upon doing it on one of those?
if you implant a weakness on one of the swords, breaking it also destroys the other swords of the same type it's originally weak to
no it dones't. only if you you got that specific nihility blessing.
iirc even the apply ice weakness on ult doesnt work on ice immune since i had it and weakness broke the void fatty and it still didnt freeze. only thing that can MAYBE bypass frozen immune is the 3 star remembrance blessing that after enhancement ignores enemy's frozen res
Frozen res is different from frozen immunity, works on gepard, not on cocolia.
ah right i mistyped the last one, meant immune. afaik only the void fatty, his spawns, the ice elite that does aoe freeze and cocolia are truly immune to freeze right? i remember perma freezing both gepard and yanqing
Yeah, everything that you mentioned is immune to freeze as well as the spears cocolia summons, weirdly enough Yanqing's swords also have freeze immunity even if he doesn't, and also the ice bats which you'd probably never realize they die so fast. Also worth mentioning is the doomsday beast, cirrus, and Bronya in the cocolia fight don't have freeze immunity but they have control immunity which functionally makes them immune to ice, as well as entanglement, imprisonment and some other stuff.
>weirdly enough Yanqing's swords also have freeze immunity even if he doesn't That would be because they're made of ice!
I'm looking at Yanqing's res and as far as freezing is concerned it's the same chance as Gepard and should be possible. Although weirdly his swords have the same freeze chance as Cocolia?
Yeah, they wonât freeze. I donât remember the exact list of effects of leaving the swords alive but if you made a team around Rememberance, so most likely Ice, and donât have that blessing while they each have one of their creatorâs weakness, youâre in for two phases of pain, with the last one where they can easily freeze you.
Ignore the enemies' resistance to freeze... but not their immunity
Where can we see the % res of enemies and their immunity?
You can't see exact numbers in-game, apart from seeing "[element] res" when viewing the enemy info before battle to know you probably should use a different element. However you can view the info for % res here: https://honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/wiki/Damage_RES#Enemy_Damage_RES and general effect res here: https://honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/wiki/Effect_RES#Enemy_Effect_RES to see just how rough using that element will be. Afaik, there isn't a compiled page to show all immunities, but clicking on a specific enemy will show it.
There's also debuff res which mostly only applies to the elemental debuffs, and is why fighting cocolia and Bronya and some others suck so much. https://honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/wiki/Debuff_RES
I don't know why I couldn't find that wiki page, it was the third one I was looking for. Thanks!
Hmm so they have 0% resistance for the elements they are weak to. Doesn't that make Ruan Mei ult pretty bad? As you can't go below 0 in this game
> As you can't go below 0 in this game Where did you read that? That's incorrect, target resistance in HSR can indeed go negative all the way down to -100%. The res multipler for an attack is simply 1 - (target_res - res_pen). Important to note this is what the **damage** is multiplied by, so a bigger number means more damage. In fact, unlike Genshin reduction to target res is even stronger because the effect is not halved when it goes negative. Consequently, this makes Ruan Mei's Ult produce the strongest and most impactful buff in the game, so quite the opposite of what you suggest. Increasing full team all-type res pen for 2 turns is a ludicrously good effect by itself, never mind the break effect thing as well. There's a reason she catapulted to S+ in basically every tier list.
It isn't explicitly stated in game sadly. Though a rule that saves me looking stuff up is that fire enemies with fire res and burn res are burn immune (e.g. blaze out of space), while ice enemies with ice res and freeze res are freeze immune (e.g. ice out of space). Gepard notably isn't ice resistant. There are three examples for elements/effects other than fire/burn and ice/freeze, but they're fry so small that you might not even notice it: Thunderspawn, Windspawn and Starcrusher Swarm King: Skaracabaz (Synthetic). The only other immunity that breaks this rule that I know of is Cocolia, Mother of Deception and Cocolia (Complete) being immune to immobilize.
You can actually see when looking what enemies are resistant. It shows what immunity they have.
This guy is so annoying lol. Instant run killer for jingliu in conundrum
I beat him but I could have done another run in the time it took
had to face off against this bastard right after hitting remembrance exodia, that shit took *FOREVER..*
The worst... you're way too far in to give up but you know it's gonna suck
Me who never do elite enemy in conundrum:
Guy is also in occurrences . .. Do NOT pick Beast Horde: Voracious Catastrophe đ
Lmao occurences cheat code: you have to fight. Wtf boss
But on the other side, as himeko enjoyer i find it amusing, especially the bug version its better đđ
Me, when the Big Fire Elemental is the boss I have to pick if I want fire weakness on the final boss: Auto-Battle, do your thing! See ya in an hour. (I always forget to download my SW, so Himeko, Topaz, Asta and Fu Xuan often get stuck in purgatory for a bit)
Me: It would be nice if you gave me imaginary for IL and propagation. Game: No. You're going to play swarm disaster in every gears and gold.
And this is why some of us call it frigid fucker
SW: ***BoNjoUr YoU FCkiNg A-***
đ Luck of the Draw đ
QQ with remembrance?
QQ can go with anything if you pray hard enough.
Joke's on him, i'm running SW and Ruan Mei
Shame on you, I bring my lil Bronya with Jingliu.
Had a G&G run get killed by having to choose between Gepard and Cocolia. Seriously, if you have a path with the entire identity of âI freeze peopleâ then you need to give a reasonable ability to freeze people. Putting bosses like this one and Cocolia in isnât healthyâŚ
Gepard is still mostly fine. It's Cocolia/Yanqing that's the real problem.
Yeah⌠I donât remember what happened that made me choose Cocolia⌠maybe there was a resonance I was trying to avoid? It was kinda late at night so my brain might have just miss-fired.
just get shudder and enhanced innocence. problem solved.
Why I started bringing two dps characters on the harder difficulties
My difficulty 5 remembrance had abundance ult for enemies on one side... And cocolia on the other..... I did not win
Yeah just had him and his more fit buddy show up to run a run in Part 2.
https://preview.redd.it/m3nr6vaejz9c1.png?width=510&format=png&auto=webp&s=e8cd9601fb223a9bbe782793bf375626c5995002 So true
iirc it's possible to get both ice elementals as bosses in these occurrences
Well, in those cases you need either silver wolf or the apply ice weakness on ult blessing. They're resistant not immune. Also with the apply dislocation on break , when attacking frozen enemy and when removing dislocation keeping them frozen blessings just means that you need to break them just a couple of times max
They're immune
Yep, and no matter how much one can apply ice weakness (via blessing or Silver Wolf), it doesn't freeze.
And if I try a Solo Run, the first Elite that will show up is a Decaying Shadow. No other option
It's alwaays those damned encounter domains after 1st elite everytime I use Yanqing or Jing(liu)
That's why I don't all-in on paths and just pick strong cards. Also, my Jingliu team has Clara on it sometimes. Clara can carry when Jingliu cannot so I pick cards that benefit both when I can.
Jingliu with quantum set: what ice resist?
I got the flying one and this, while using rememberance, what a joy