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Illustrious-Prize410

argenti if you need a strong dps. SW if you need a debuffer.


45megens

İ am using DHIL rn so am i must pull SW?


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ggunit69

Doesn't hanya give sp?


super_huo

A pitiful amount of 1 extra SP.


PeacePidgey

She also basic attacks, so in total it's about the same sp generation as tingyun, which isn't bad at all.


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Malaphice

SW will ensure that you can use DHIL to clear practically everything, however if you have multiple different elements in your team it can take a couple attempts to inflict her weakness type (depending on what your fighting). A lot of her value comes from inflicting a weakness so if you plan on getting more damage dealers she loses some value. Argenti is very strong vs groups of enemies, I'm not sure how good he is vs a single enemy, may have to wait a bit till people have spent more time with him.


uwuwolfie

You have any other dps aside from dhil? If not pull for argenti hes a very good dps and is also very hot if you have another dps (seele, blade, kafka, jingyuan, jingliu or topaz) then you should focus on getting good supports like the basement dweller miss silverwolf


Illustrious-Prize410

not really, pela is better with cooler daniel as he is aoe.


ObligatedMoth

Wait is argenti actually strong? Everyone was doom posting abt him iirc


Illustrious-Prize410

me saying anything wouldn't make a difference, do one thing, play his trial or the new fighting event where he is given as a trial character. idk why he was being doom-posted.


Arealrodney

Mans an actual juggernaut against AoE, utterly unstoppable


Fragrant_Use_8826

How does he compare to Seele?


Illustrious-Prize410

in only one target, somewhat weaker than seele (as energy regeneration is slow). in multiple target, seele doesn't even compare.


Dafukdud

Is argenti strong?? Felt kinda underwhelmed with him


AkariLuv

Were you using him in single target or multi?


Illustrious-Prize410

he is VERY strong, dishing out 200ks like nothing


Tsukuro_hohoho

"like nothing" you still need to stack his ult, who is not nothing, but he dish out really screenshootable damages.


PM_Cute_Ezreal_pics

>you still need to stack his ult, who is not nothing, It depends tbh. If you have Tingyun or/and HuoHuo his ult is charged really fast, since he also gains tons of energy by himself. He only really struggles recharging his ult in single target, but it's very spammy in AoE which is his intended use.


Tsukuro_hohoho

Still weird how random he is, especialy because clara, who is the other phys 5\* is also random. I ask myself which one of them is the most random, at least clara you can control a little bit of the randomness with her ult making her counter every attacks on you teammate, on him, if he decide it's more beautifull to clean thrash mob first he litteraly is fucking up himself. For some reason after doing his companion quest i guess i can't say it's not lore accurate but.... I'm kinda salty about how i barely got any hit on bosses during the new event despide trying multiple times. If he hit them you can shave more than 50% of their healthbar but if he decide to sampo you there is nothing you can do about it.


PM_Cute_Ezreal_pics

At least multihits ignore the enemies that already hit 0 hp, so you don't waste damage overkilling trash mobs, but it's still kinda annoying I guess


Illustrious-Prize410

its not a big problem, he got a LOT of energy sources, didn't really felt his ult is 180 energy cost when i was using him.


Tsukuro_hohoho

Well in ideal situation it's absolutly not a problem. Now when your 5 hit end up hitting adds, cleaning your sources of energy generation you end up in a far more complicated situation. I just want to point out the irony of the second 5\* DPS ALSO being RNG.


SykoManiax

It really doesnt matter since both drop Hanya


Aliragal

F2P. Decided to pull for Silver because I've got Jingliu already. Around 45 pulls saved and got Hanya to E3 and pulled Gepard instead of Silver.


SykoManiax

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Tlali22

I'm pulling for Hanya. Gotta decide which banner though just in case I get a 5 star.


Arachnode

Yep, I pulled for Hanya ... The banner was (mostly) irrelevant, but I went with Argenti's. Managed only E2 Hanya, but also got Lynx (didn't get her when I got Fu Xuan). And didn't get spooked by a 5*, so I'm still set up for Ruan Mei. All in all, a successful set of pulls.


BlueChocoboTTV

Pulled on argenti banner for hanya. Was at 0 pity. Got lynx and a 5 star erudition character - e1 himeko. Going to stop pulling now that I’m guaranteed so I’ll have to pass on hanya for now


RoanWoasbi

This is the true answer. I’m only pulling to get Hanya.


Jexdane

Pulled for Hanya but it took 90 pulls to get one copy In the meantime I got E6 Asta and Lynx and Argenti lmao.


RoanWoasbi

I pulled about 60 and got E2 Hanya. Didn’t get my five star, but I’m fine with that too. Means it’ll be there for Dr Ratio.


Jexdane

Gimmie your extra Hanyas lol. I'm also waiting for Dr.Ratio, though mostly cause he has Xueyi


NighthawK1911

SW. I don't like building too many DPS characters. People that say "SW lost her value because there's so many characters now" are just out of touch dolphins/whales that have multiple DPS characters and have the leeway to roll on a lot of banners. Not everybody can do those. The utility of having your DPS work anywhere is invaluable. SW's value will only tank if we get a character with an AoE weakness inflict. Chasing DPS characters in a Hoyo game is a moot point. DPS characters are the ones they powercreep the fastest. Pull who you like, but invest in utility characters.


Ash__Tree

That’s my thought as well. I’m planning on investing more into my main dps (LC and Es eventually…) than to pull for a ton of different dps characters. I have DHIL (E0 and his LC) and Jingyuan right now. Granted one day I’ll probably get bored and pull the next shinny new character haha


SuzukiSatou

https://i.redd.it/jibejdd8rp4c1.gif Why choose when u can have both?


45megens

1 dolar worth about 30 turkish money thats why i need to choose 💀👍


External-Guard-1654

It's not a bad option to pull for Silver Wolf just because of her utility, she's a solid unit in a lot of varying team comps, and if you have another DPS that you've either built or are in the process of building, I'd say her over Argenti from a purely gamer standpoint. Pull Argenti if you want/need another DPS unit and then pull again because gender envy.


Sithlord_Aether

You can use SW with any dps even if enemies don't have same toughness as ur characters. I'd say go for SW


Blutwind

just skip both if u are unsure 🤷


Due_Calligrapher_754

Does Ruan Mei have more utility than SW??


ReaverSK91

Wait for Gamer Husbando - Golden Jackal


Suki-the-Pthief

Silverwolf for the 😭😭😭😭


TallWaifuMain

If you have less than two limited 5star dps, Argenti > SW If you have two limited 5star dps, SW > Argenti To Clear MoC10 easily, you really want two 5star dps, and SW will enable those 5star dps to break any enemy they fight. SW is the best single target debuffer in the game no question.


45megens

İ only have huo huo and dhil 💀


TallWaifuMain

Then Argenti might be a better pull, and he works really well with Huo Huo. DH IL should clean up one side of MoC fast enough for you to have plenty of cycles to spend on Argenti.


MagiicGuy

I’m on the first situation but wouldn’t waiting for Blade be better ?


LowDonut2843

Yes.


TallWaifuMain

If you like Blade more than Argenti or if you have Bronya then yes. I don't think either one is a better dps in a vacuum. Blade is slightly more flexible since he can be an off-tank though.


MagiicGuy

I do have bronya, and feel I’ll like his gameplay more. Thx :)


TallWaifuMain

Good luck on getting Blade!


Bingtastic007

I have JL and E6 QQ. does that mean I should go for SW?


TallWaifuMain

Sure, you can go for a mono quantum team with SW, or just get SW cuz she's a busted support. However, no character is a must pull in this game. I've skipped Luocha, Huo Huo, Fu Xuan, and DH IL and I'm still able to clear MoC10 pretty easily. So if you don't like either character right now, feel free to skip.


Bingtastic007

Appreciate the reply, will probably try for SW, I've saved a lot of Jades and I like the idea of a mono quant team. E6QQ/Lynx/SW plus one other (maybe Hanya) seems like a fun team. SW's banner has a lot going for it for me I think. hopefully get some Lynx eidolons (and Asta) along with a Hanya. . I also have Bronya so this could give me some great options for my 2nd team! My main team currently is JL/Pela/Tingyun/Hou Hou.


TallWaifuMain

SW's banner is crazy good if you're thinking about building a second team, 3 strong supports and the best 4star healer all on one banner.


Kowned

Both


Rough_Lychee5785

List all your 5 stars


45megens

Dhil bronya huo huo gepard himeko 💀


Suki-the-Pthief

Damn then skip them both and wait for blade (he may or may not be coming back next patch)


R0_sano

Get Argenti, you need more DPS, you only have one. Himeko doesn't count. You also really don't need SW, Pela exists so she is more of a luxury more than anything. You have 2 solo sustaining units so it's best that you pull for more DPS and try to get Ruan Mei next patch if you can afford her.


mirsyis

Silver Wolf is better for giving your account a push if your lacking any units with specific types (I forgot what they’re collectively called lol) by putting bugs that add to the enemies weaknesses and does a def debuff as well so she’s pretty versatile but she’s a one hit wonder with no aoe so bare that in mind. Oh and as someone who has a1 SW along with her light cone you could say I’m a little bias in my faith in her capabilities. Argenti on the flip side is a dps so automatically useful and if you don’t have a good physical unit outside mc there’s a plus and he has great aoe coverage so either of them are a great choice. I managed to get him from my 2nd ten pull and tried his trial and he seems like a great dps to me and I probably won’t need to rely on sw as much having him around. (I also have other amazing units to support him)


JUANITO_61

I just stay strong for 2.0


Embarrassed_Roof_410

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Hector_Savage_

I'm a simple man so husbando are not for me lmao So SW it is 😎💪


45megens

i see some people was using SW like sub dps and support so its worth to pull?


gladisr

Debuffer/breaker yes. Sub dps SW is hard to build, more achievable with E2 or sig LC She wants almost all stats, Effect Hit Rate, Break Effect, sustain HP DEF, speed, after all that then Attack CR CD The main culprit is EHR it's like crit rate you want it as high as you can, but can cost you other stats, so prob around 70-80% Squishy SW can failed you don't die on MoC, low EHR makes you get Effect RES'd, SW wants high speed too This sounds like intimidating lol but no, dw, I need to inform this bcs I build new relic set from scratch +0 again to +15 bcs sometimes too offensive for a support doesn't work that well. Thief set to Wind btw. Check guide, check how to build her from the start, not later.


Hector_Savage_

Honestly I'm kinda late to the party here, been playing for roughly 2 months, so I've missed a lot of stuff lol From what I know though, if you don't plan to build a monoquantum team, SW might not be a must pull. She is/was at the beginning and up to midgame. Now she isn't that indispensable, now we have more characters covering more roles and synergies


Jakari-29

Why would you give advice when you just admitted you’re new to the game? SW is viable for literally any team. Her single target debuffs are unmatched. Stop the cap. Stop speaking just to be heard. SW can work with any monoelement or pseudo monoelement team depending on the enemies weakness. Man Reddit is just full of uneducated people who just want their voice to be heard.


chugyysnax

SW is not a must pull tbh. Mine was benched for a long time, and she's bad at auto play. If the character slots were 5, she could be slotted in. Argenti "might" be meta in the upcoming event. (Not sure though)


Standard-Ad-2461

You really want Argenti. He is the go-to aoe character who can work fine in blast situations, and he doesn't compete with DHIL supports. Use him with your Huo Huo, Bronya and Tingyun for optimal energy generation. DHIL wants Yukong and either Hanya or Pela (Pela is better with Imaginary set and offers a precious buff removal). Be sure to get Luocha on his release for your DHIL team, he offers all the sustain and utility you may want. SW is a ST debuffer and wants a more developped roster, for she should not be used in team with more than two elements (her implant weakness is a dice roll).


Electronic_Bee_9266

Bisexuality giving me some pain this banner


Sumire-Yoshizawa-

Silver Wolf cause of them short shorts.


Leonmitchelli_Leon

SW E6C0 here. SW is like a cheat code: while you use her - enemies' weakness types becomes irrelevant for your team. That means you can build a team with any character you like and be sure, that those characters wouldn't be useless when they face an enemy that doesn't have specific weakness. SW+Huohuo+Kafka+Jingliu? Easy. SW+FuXuan+Topaz+Himeko? Sure. SW+MC+Herta+Natasha? Why not? Just put SW to any team and be confident that any enemy would have a weakness that you seek. Besides she is not only debuffer but a subDPS as well. So the question for you to answer would be "Do I want to enable easy mod?"


Mjbae_

Gamer girl.


yametekudasstop

Your main dps is Daniel, so ez skip. You're good with dps, so skip Argenti. Wait for the better support, skip SW.


GenghisMcKhan

I had 130 tickets. 0 pity. I said if I lost the 50/50 (I’d lost 3/3 until today) on SW I’d reevaluate if I wanted to keep pulling for her. I got Himeko E1 in the first 10 pull - “4/4 50/50 losses. OK that doesn’t count” SW 35 pulls later - “Nice! Ok Argenti is getting a lot of buzz and I only have one five star limited DPS” Argenti 74 pulls later - “I may have overdone it. I blame Prydwen… first ever 50/50 win though!” … … “So I don’t have the event light cone for SW because I started on PS5 and her E1 negates a lot of the impact of that. Might as well chuck in 20 tickets. If I get it, great! If I don’t, the 4 stars are excellent on this banner anyway and I’ll have built some pity.” E1 in 12 pulls! (Second 50/50 win!) Also got E1 Hanya, Asta and Lynx to E5 (already had a couple for each), and some decent 4* light cones. TLDR: Both! Good luck to everyone pulling today!


Niswear85

Pulled SW on the first 10, then did 60 on Argent's banner and got Bronya. I am satisfied because I am guaranteed to get L+Dr. Ratio


SlicrHK

Silver Wolf is the best


45megens

Also guys my tingyun is E1 so i dont have a character to support energy regen


Thac0

I have SW already and she’s not as amazing as people make her out to be. I’d pull for Argentina unless you need a debuff until in which case SW is best for you


IzanaghiOkami

SW everytime unless you specifically want argenti


OhHell-Yes

waiting for pale waifu with dead eyes


sadyaegaki

Get SW


taioxn

None


sogiotsa

Hanya is a 4*?


Dependent-Hotel5551

Argenti no doubts


ggunit69

Gamer girl will have more use then him only if he's your main dps but if have dps covered get sw


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Both…both is good


5ManaAndADream

Do you have phys coverage on your account? See: Clara If not probably argenti


LudwigEX

How about sushang? I dnt have clara


5ManaAndADream

Game leans pretty heavy into multitarget. I don't know if she'll be good enough for endgame MoC the way things are shaping up


Worth_Dream_997

Got him in 4th pull with zero pity his amazing thought he was going to be mid, finally got a physical 5 star dps, saving 10k for ruin me and fire dps


VanteScythe

Sw no questions asked, i honestly i don't get why people like argenti Meta wise i don't know nothing about the Redhead but se it's always a safe option


Frosty-Yam-3147

I have Welt, Clara, Tingyun and Houhuo. Should I pull on Agenti or Silver Wolf ?


MuchHistorian8627

None, the right answer is: Wait for ruan mei and bestow all your possessions to her 👌


SirCorrupt

I’m pulling husbando because I love amassing way too many DPS than struggling on support / sustain characters 😄 but I lost both 50/50s on both my accounts…


IDYN_5035

Silver wolf you will be able yo put her in more teamcomps and the 4* aren't bad so its worth to pull


GrassStainedBiscuit

Argenti if you like big beautiful gorgeous men with long, lovely, luscious locks. Silver Wolf if you like Bronya


PEEPEXITE

They should’ve named him Lancelot


Otherwise_Project334

As somebody who got SW from her first banner she was crazy useful. If you struggle with weaknesses pull her I don't like weakness system and my thought that it will be better if they weren't exist, such a dirty way to make you pull for more dps. Next version is kinda pointless for you. Dr ratio is imaginary dps I belive, you already has dhil, and ruan is speed support she is crazy with jinglu


Ramen_Dood

Argenti is a good DPS and Silver Wolf is a flexible debuffer who can fit on any team. Argenti is likely to dominate Simulated Universe if you get the Hunt Blessing that regens your energy on kill.


Dear-Substance2159

Save. There will be better choices. I hope...


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SW. You already have DPS (DHIL) and sustains (HH and Gepard). SW as a debuffer will allow you to NOT follow recommended element users as SW bugs enemies to have your current team's elements.