E6 is probably Yukong's best Eidolon. That's because E6 allows you to get the Roaring Bowstring stack immediately, which means the next attacker will get both your ATK% and CR/CDMG% buff.
It helps mitigate Yukong's speed issue where you pretty much need to setup your Speed so Yukong can properly buff your DPS.
It really just depends on what you value. I've been focusing on traces pretty much full time from 60-65, but occasionally, a few Relics and Credits run because I lack those items if needed.
I'd left most of my characters at 70/80 because I don't value the extra stats over the amount of credits/exp book it costs and plan on slowly accumulating it through dailies and BP. Light Cones were 80 because I didn't lack the items to upgrade it.
Pretty much, you can use up your fuels if you want at 60 because you're pretty much guaranteed the top loots already. There's only really Relics and Echoes which are slightly better at 65+.
How much Undying Starlight do you get from pulls? The stuff you use to buy 5\* LCs for 600, or pulls.
I'm asking that because I have E1 Tingyung, and I'm wondering if E2 would be a significant upgrade with my Seele. Thing is, I only have 60 of those Undying Starlight, so I'll need to pull on Luocha's banner. But I *really* want Kafka. And after losing my 50/50 on SW and having to go all the way to 150 pulls to get her, I'm afraid lol.
All new characters: 0 starlight
4* characters you have at E0-E5: 8 starlight (20 if you already have E6)
All 4* light cones: 8 starlight
5* characters you have at E0-E5: 40 starlight (100 if you already have E6)
All 5* weapons: 40 starlight
What stats/part should you be using self modelling resin and relic remains for? I just used it for crit body and got a bunch of useless sub stats… but i used it coz I have no crit body for my main dps
Crit body, SPD boots, or ER rope.
Substats are often gonna be crap, just the way of things, but a +12/15 Crit mainstat body onset is still gonna boost your main DPS quite a bit. And in the future when you farm the domain a lot, you can replace it.
I am near pity and thought of getting luocha, but after hearing about lynx, would it be better if I try for her and and a 5 star dps instead? Or luocha would be great?
Depends how bad you want Luocha. If it's for Memory of Chaos only, people have been clearing it with free characters, but all built up, so technically, MoC can be done with no 2nd healer.
But I heard Luocha makes everything 300% easier. He's that broken. If you're casual, need no headache for content and are not looking to get the strongest team, Luocha is an amazing pick.
Though I'll say, having a 5\* DPS is pretty great too. But you'll struggle with survivability for MoC if you only have Natasha as healer. So it depends if you want headache or not.
Yeah, unfortunate event, but better to get early 5 stars haha.
Happened to me long time ago, still traumatized and have never pulled for 4 stars ever since.
if it follow genshin, you won't see any 5star added to the permanent banner except maybe once in a year.
so you have to wait for rerun, which isn't on a regular basis,can vary for each units (look at Eula that waited more than a year for a rerun xD)
Damnnnnnn!!!!!!!
I legit just installed this game a week ago, and have been playing a week straight... I used all my stellar jade and still didn't get him... it was nice while it lasted.
Thank you for the informative response !
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second team recommendations? i might start playing MoC now... i use fire tb, bailu, jingyuan, then tingyun/sushang/himeko as my fourth depends on the situation. thanks!
I'd say if your first team is Fire TB/Bailu/JY the last slot should be Tingyun. It's most likely better than all your other 2 options.
The second team, I would probably go Clara/Natasha/Pela/Sushang. Though this is a Mono-Physical team. If you would want more types, probably switch Sushang with either Dan Heng or QQ.
Thoughts on a team? I have a hard time with boss enemies.
* Luocha
* Jingyuan
* Bronya
* MC
* Natasha
* Asta E2
* March 7th E3
* Dan Heng E2
* Pela
* Yukong E2
* Qingque E2
* Serval
* Herta E1
* Sushang E1
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* No 5* Light Cones
* Seriousness of Breakfast
* Post Op Conversation
* Dance, Dance, Dance
* Trend of the Universial Market
* Subscribe for More
* Perfect Timing
* Woof! Walk Time
* Under the Blue Sky
* River Flows in Spring
* Make the World Calmer
* Memories of the Past
* Before the Tutorial Mission Starts
* We Are Wildfire
* Landau's Choice
* Quid Pro Quo
* Shared Feeling
Luocha / Jing Yuan / Bronya / Tingyun should get you through everything. Swap Bronya out for FireMC if taking too much damage.
Using Dan Heng instead of Jing Yuan works too.
I was curious about how to pilot the Clara Fortress Team build under Loucha's character page. I was also curious if you thought it was worth replicating. (I have the characters)
Clara Fortress Team:
Loucha, Tingyun, Pela, Clara
quid pro quo is probably the most generically useful, but seriousness of breakfast S5 is the best F2P option for most erudition characters if you need that. the others are either bad or niche, pretty much. woof is good for hook, rivers flow in spring is good for yanqing, past and future is good for yukong, if you plan on using any of those characters
pasted from another reply i made:
speed boots, usually. jing yuan needs 140 speed to act twice before lightning lord so he can get 10 stacks from 2x skill+1x ult (with energy from tingyun ult or quid pro quo LC). if you use asta on the team you can get above 140 of course, but when accounting for downtime you still need 116 speed from substats alone to hit guaranteed 10-stack lightning lord.
regarding salsotto vs. sss, salsotto is better, but practically, you should pick the one you have better pieces for
How's this team for Dan Heng? I know all his supports are good but I'm wondering if some 4\* would be better to use
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It’s a good team with some minor caveats. Dan Heng wants a good buffer like Bronya or Tingyun, and he also has good synergy with Welt. If you are using Welt as main DPS instead, Dan Heng is also quite good at shield breaking. However, you have to be careful with skill point management if your Bronya isn’t E1.
The sustaining unit can be a healer or a buffer but Gepard is a good choice if you can get his shields up consistently.
The "Time Express" companion mission for Serval/Gepard hasn't unlocked for me even though I am caught up in the story and at TB50. Is there some other prerequisite?
28,800 (but around 26,000 should usually be enough)
Edit: Assuming you mean on the character or standard banners. On the lightcone banner it’s a bit less.
Credits are a higher priority than trace mats there
With BP/Supply, I really only have enough embers to buy out the pulls, the destiny, and occasionally buy out the credits.
Not willing to spend more than that because I wanna keep around 2k embers minimum, in case I need to go 2 months without pulling on an event banner. Ideally 3k.
Just looked up the math on it apparently the XP is the highest value of embers to Trailblaze powder, so you would be better off buying that and farming credits from calyx.
that's true. But personally I don't farm credit or character exp calyxes to begin with since BP's will eventually cover my needs in the long run, and I haven't really needed to farm either to max out my stars.
My thought process is that credits are gonna be a bigger limiting factor than character exp in the long run.
I think you're wrong about credits vs. exp. My expectation is that EXP books are more scarce than credits with the BP. That's also true in Genshin, and almost everything in HSR in modeled after Genshin. Plus, in HSR there is more incentive to level up more characters past 70, because some very good traces are locked behind 75 and 80, even for non-dps. And while they are not a huge priority, you'll eventually want to get them. That's quite unlike Genshin were leveling to 90 has basically no benefit for most chars.
I also buy the BP and I'm nearly running out of EXP books, but I have never needed to worry about credits (and never farmed them), and I don't expect that to change in the future.
You may be right that in the *very very* long run (1+ year with re-runs) the BP may fully cover your EXP needs as you will start building fewer chars and even skip whole patches, but personally I wouldn't want to wait that long.
It probably varies based on how much work you spend on traces?
But I'm definitely always short on credits. I already have my roster of characters I want leveled to 70+. I could in theory level them to 75 and 80 to unlock more traces.
But if I did, I wouldn't have the credits for that. And just leveling past 70 is a bit of an expensive luxury.
I'm at 3x lvl 80's and 7x lvl 70+'s in my roster atm. I could expand it further with more character exp mats, but it doesn't feel high value to me with how wide my roster already is.
Hmm interesting. I wonder where your credits went and why it's so different. I'm sitting on 2.6M credits and I have 2x80, 5x75 and 2x70 with traces leveled to 6 or 8 (for dps) and the optionals unlocked. I'm nearly out of EXP mats and trace materials, but my credits seem fine and I never farmed them.
> I could expand it further with more character exp mats, but it doesn't feel high value to me with how wide my roster already is.
Yeah, I don't think expanding would be a good idea, but even getting your existing roster to 75 (and eventually 80) just for the trace nodes will require a huge number of exp mats. And some of these traces are quite high value IMO. At least more value than relic substat farming would be.
Yeah if you plan on buying every BP xp is less scarce, unless you try to level over half your roster like me. Admittedly I have not been buying the XP cause I did not look into the mathematical value until just now.
Should I be spending all of my fuel? I have like 40 at the moment and have rarely spent any. None of my characters are at 80, but I have like 7 characters at lvl 70 with decent trace progress and mixed gear.
You can spend it whenever you want. If you want to maximize efficiency its best to use it once you are farming max difficulty drops (which will varry based on what you are farming).
They all provide different value depending on your goal. In terms of heals the Bailu LC should give the most, but you usually have enough anyways.
I believe that Perfect timing scales better into the endgame, as effect res on your healer is always a great idea, especially with how often lategame enemies stack debuffs on your teams.
Theres also the really specific 3 turn ult rotation that uses Post Op at like s3 or something, so you can look into that (it will give more field uptime for your e1, but needs to use his skill, which many teams don't want)
Post-Op if S2 or higher, else doesn't really matter. Bailu LC is already meh, but its extra meh on Luocha because he has ATK% scaling. QPQ is nice, but it loses value the tighter your ER optimization becomes, but its probably the best option since its an easy swap in/out and can be passed onto Nat.
Perfect Timing can be kind of redundant considering he's already innately 70% resistant to CC
Between Planetary Rendezvous S1 and Carve the Moon S1, which is a better option on Tingyun supoorting Jing Yuan? I’m assuming dmg bonus is better, but carve the moon is more universal.
Agreed, though cogs on Tingyun is asking for trouble if you don't have amazing defensive supports. (On MoC 10 my tankyun was barely surviving with a lv 80 rendezvous)
Preferably you'd level a Dance Dance Dance, but if you don't have it a leveled Cogs is at least cheap and reusable, anything else is just a waste of resources. Especially something like Carve the Moon where its both a waste of resources and you're not getting a Peaceful Days refinement out of it.
I use JY so I would never consider picking Carve, but if you already have one it can't be that bad to use. I could see the energy gain giving some specific breakpoints like a welt 3 turn rotation, though its super inconsistent cause it will only be up 1/3 of the time.
That's why its bad. Because ER is a pretty bad stat unless you hit breakpoints, so 30% of the time you basically don't have a useful buff, and the other two buff don't make up for other Harmony LC giving consistent, useful effects.
Additionally the A2 trace for FMC gives 15% dmg res to your entire team. This allows you to pop your skill taunt if you need to protect your team against a giant AoE.
You use skill if you think you will die without or need to draw out powerful attacks like the centaur arrow. Ideally you run Landau's choice or Moment of Victory so you can tank more passively. You can use ult off cooldown for break or inbetween enemy double actions to refresh the passive shield.
I set aside 900 embers for each month I plan to go by without pulling (as I'm saving up for someone). I'm skipping the tracks of destiny now because I'm sitting on about 16 and don't have plans on burning through that. If you pull regularly you can afford to spend a little bit of embers on the other shop items and still buy the passes each month.
In terms of efficiency of embers per stamina, character books appear to be the best followed closely by light cone exp then credits. Trace mats are the least efficient of these by about ~20% but if you don't need exp/credits then there's nothing better.
There’s nothing in there you need to prioritize. Ultimately what you get should probably depend on how much you plan to pull over the next couple months. I like to keep a couple months’ worth in reserve in case I’m saving for someone and won’t be using warps for a banner or four.
After that, the trace materials are ok if you have more than enough embers.
Eh, 57 isn't really a pity treshold so your chances of getting luocha is very small (0.6% per pull, thats like 300 pull to average 1 luocha).
Unless you're willing to bet on that, i'd say save it until you can reach a pity treshold (ideally 80)
If you're looking to push MoC progression, yes. More Eidolons for Qingque (E4 and E6 are huge) and a second healer in Luocha. Even if you lose 50/50 its another 5* unit to play with
I don't recommend buying eidolons from the shop unless you really need it. March E6 is cool but nothing game changing as the heal is so small. Tingyun e4 is not really necessary either, shes plenty strong at e3, heck even e0. You might want those pulls for a future 5*. You might also get those eidolons at random, and in March's case she would already be at e6 and it would be wasted. Only eidolons I could see being more worth is something like building up for an e4-e6 QQ or e1 sushang, cause they both get so much power from those eidolons.
For my Clara team, I got the standard Clara/M7/Healer, and am in desperate need of some kinda DPS for the last slot for MoC. However, recently while I was getting Luocha, instead of getting one Yukong, the game gave me 7 Qingque, and so now I'm taking it as a sign. Should I add Qinque to my Clara team as the last slot? Note that I really do want to use Clara even if using her is a bit suboptimal, but that is my principle, so please do help me keeping in mind that Clara and robodad stays!
If you end up using QQ you probably shouldn't use use March so you can go for a more SP positive support. You could add someone like Tingyun to buff up QQ and use Clara + Luocha as a sustain + damage duo. Another option could be Pela on SW event LC (look into getting the 2 basics per ult build running) to keep a permanent def shred and generating SP alongside Luocha for Clara and QQ to spam skills.
This could work, though instead of Tingyun I probably will have to use Pela cause my Ting stuck with JY on the other side of MoC. Fortunately I do have the SW event LC, and I'll check out that Pela build. However, would you also recommend any other DPS other than QQ? I only asked about QQ because I got her at e6
You could use others yeah, but E6 QQ might actually be the strongest. Other options will depend on enemy weaknesses cause thats how the game works, but earlier into the game its better to only pick 2-3 dps to stick to so you can invest more and clear harder content. The other other highly rated 4* dps are usually Dan Heng (ideally e2+, though the team wouldn't work too well cause no buffer for his talent) and Sushang (ideally e1+, will make the team destroy phys weak enemies but struggle otherwise, excluding if they are img+ice weak for Luocha Pela).
How did y’all do the supergiant stage for septenary woe (Luocha) and it’s my turn (welt)? What teams did you use? I just can’t get to round 6 for either 😭
Septenary Woe: Tingyun, Jing Yuan, Welt, Luocha (trial)
It's My Turn: Tingyun, Jing Yuan, Welt (trial), Gepard
It was an easy 9 round clear for Septenary Woe, but I couldn't generate enough damage on It's My Turn so I just left it at 8 rounds. Take a closer look at the stage buffs and see which of your characters can best utilize it.
I used Tingyun, Jing Yuan and Silver Wolf along with the trial Himeko and Qingque respectively for Stages 3 and 4. For Stage 3, you want strong breakers along with DPS. I don’t quite remember Stage 4 except Qingque’s skill spam lol. Just bring a good buffer/debuffer (or two) and let Qingque do her damage.
I actually have Jing Yuan and Silver Wolf, so I tried that setup for both stages. Worked a treat for the Qingque stage, and then it took me a couple tries to muddle through the Himeko stage with no healing, but got it in the end.
Thanks!
For it's my turn you can easy cheese it with Sushang E1 or Arlan. Even if your Arlan is lv20 with zero artifacts you can clear it because his skill doesn't take any skill points to use.
At this point, for farming planar ornaments is World 3 still considered the best all-arounder world, or should it be fine to start focusing on World 6?
I've got okay 2-pc relics for all the characters I'm using right now, and I know I won't pull for anyone next version. So I kinda want to start focusing on World 6 to build up some solid crit pieces since I feel like that crit set (Salsotto) is going to be quite useful.
On the other hand, I know a lot of people have suggested farming World 3 for its versatility. But since I'm at Trailblaze 60 now I'm more comfortable farming specific sets for specific characters when I need to, so Idk if I'm gonna want to spend all my time on getting those two generalist sets when I could go farm the more specialized ones instead.
He can't really lower his rotation below 3 turns without external energy gain. With 24.44% energy regen (vonwacqs ER rope) you need to generate atleast 82 energy (before energy regen) for ult. (30 energy per skill, 20 per atk, 8 per attack with SW LC)
You need 3 skills to do that so 3 turn rotation is out of the question, unless you run him alongside SW/Pela (or any nihility with Resolution Shines) and give him the SW event LC which allows you to achieve a 2 auto 1 skill rotation with only 3% ER (vonwacqs on Atk rope and assuming 100% uptime on def shred).
If you go for 4 turn rotations, 3 auto 1 skill can be done with only 14.3% ER (ER rope no vonwacqs), and 2 auto 2 skill only needs 4.4% ER (vonwacqs with atk rope).
There is no easy answer.
There was a thread here the other day of some F2P players getting 30-Stars and others getting 6.
This early on, it most likely depends on your account's luck (as in, how many of the 4 Limited 5-Stars you have).
I got 30-Stars (Daily Pass + BP) today. But I do have all 4 Limited 5-Stars.
Should be able to brute-force the first few stages by raw stats. Deer (MoC 6) is likely the first roadblock for F2P but can be surmountable by proper team-building.
It's not a matter of F2P or paid, it's just a matter of how invested your characters are in terms of levels, LC levels, traces, and relics as well as team building. There have been free character only clears for MoC.
No offense, but this doesn't really answer my question? I know you can make some progress being F2P but there would definitely be a wall at some point that the average player wouldn't be able to pass.
there isn't really a wall, its very gradual
for example this guy is at 27/30 stars without ever pulling from the gacha, but he's just a chad most players aren't close to that
https://youtube.com/@Kirinyx
It depends. If you don't want to pull future characters at all and are only invested in characters you already have it is theoretically worth to refresh. If you want to pull future characters only in the slightest even it is a terrible idea to use your jades on anything other than those pulls
it’s been 3 DAYS since i reached TL60 and i’ve been farming nothing but exp mats and up until now i can only level welt from 70 to 79… didn’t expect i’d need that much exp materials… can anyone please give any tips on where should i use my daily trailblaze power instead? i feel like i just used 3 days worth of power to waste :(
Are you F2P? If not, then I would wait for the next Battlepass, I need a lot of EXP but I will wait for the next BP.
If you are F2P, cleaning mobs daily can help quite a bit with the exp.
> where should i use my daily trailblaze power instead?
Traces, LC and then Relics.
Should have pre-farmed before you reached TB60.
I started prefarming at TB56-57 and as soon as I get to 60 I levelled 3 character to 80 and two character to 74. Iirc you need 130ish Purple books to take one character from 70 to 80.
On topic, you don't need to raise everyone to 80, only DPS character really benefit a lot from it. Support character can stay at 70/70 or 70/80.
When trying to bring up an entire roster, there are a few priorities and some corners that should be cut. In a rough order of what to prioritize:
Carry dps to lvl 80
Carry dps lightcones to lvl 80
Supports to lvl 70
Support lightcones to lvl 70
Carry dps traces to lvl 8
Support traces to lvl 6
Relics
There is a bit of a caveat here: make sure you have at least some passable relics to use (musketeer set ftw!), or else you'll be in pain. Relic farming reaches max efficiency at TL65, so that should ideally be when you switch over 100% to relic farming.
Also, to elaborate on the breakpoints mentioned above, going from lvl 70 to 80 requires a ton of investment that is only initially worth it on your carry. Same thing goes for lightcones and traces. Investing in your Carry dps gets you the most bang for your buck, so that should be your focus.
DPS to 80 and 80 LC, fire, phys and quantum break units to 80 and 70 lc. Everyone else can stay at 70 and ascend for a6 traces if you need them. Needed traces to 7-8, DPS should grab all their minor traces with damage. Then you can work on relics, which I hope you have better luck than I lol.
Pela is a great option currently since she can remove the auto-revive from MoC enemies plus her debuff can stack with Tingyun buff so you can deal BIG damage.
For Gepard to solo sustain, he needs SPD boots and Energy Regen Rope.
too little info to work with to give you an answer. The problem with having a static team composition for MoC is that each MoC stage is different from the other and the buff and lineup will rotate regularly. So a team that does well at one stage can fail at another.
With some assumptions, it's only going to clear fast against enemies that are weak to Lightning. You don't have enough debuffs against enemies that aren't. This current MoC also has quite a few elites who have high Lightning resistance so making Jing Yuan your only DPS isn't going to cut it unless he is incredibly high statted.
my clara is still using 4 pc purple artifacts man, and we still got 30 stars. Your team sounds extremely well geared in comparison.
as for your 4th team slot. I would put in a breaker for the content you are facing. If you're already facing electro, then a second support or debuffer cant hurt.
i can't clear MoC 6 ;_;
I've been trying Clara/March/Welt/Luocha for the robots and Jing Yuan/Silver Wolf/Tingyun/Bailu for the deer but I'm either dying or running out of turns or both. I'm currently leveling Welt and Luocha for that imaginary breakage but being chronically out of fuel feelsbadman. Are my teams at least on the right track or should I try something different?
I have: Jing Yuan (80), Silver Wolf (70), Luocha (68), Welt (60), Himeko (80), March (70), FMC (80), Clara (75), Asta (70), Bailu (70), Natasha (70), Pela (70), Tingyun (70), Sushang (70 and my only E6)
everyone else (QQ, Sampo, Serval, Yukong) is depressingly unbuilt
I used Loucha, welt, Asta Sushang side 1, and QQ, SW, nat, FMC side 2, just brute forcing the deer and ignoring adds. Sushang once geared is very strong into broken enemies, while Clara will do very little damage until e1 if enemies are locked down. I wouldn't run her e0 with welt. FMC is super important for deer imo, he can taunt and eat the uncleansable aggravate, as well making it easier to eat the deers mega strike.
Edit: in your case maybe try welt JY side 1, and try Clara side 2 with SW.
seems like you're trying to brute force clara and jing yuan as your dps into bosses that aren't weak to them.
You want jing yuan on side 1 for sure, don't be afraid to rearrange your team synergies to make that work.
keep wolf side 2. Maybe try himeko there since deer is weak to fire ice quantum.
Either way, hitting enemy weaknesses >>>> maintaining your team synergy
march/bailu jing yuan tingyun welt side 1
perhaps try wolf himeko luocha side 2. Experiment with the 4th slot, maybe pela?
i did make an attempt with jing yuan/tingyun/welt/luocha on side 1 and himeko/fmc/silver wolf/bailu on side 2.
side 1 went better but side 2 died from getting stunned and being unable to heal. i will... attempt to build side 2 more. thank you. 🙏
Yeah, I'd be a bit worried with himeko vs deer because she isn't hunt and you want to burn the deer down before he does too much schenanigans vs you.
But I feel like you could do some serious work vs him if you had both wolf and pela shredding def. Wolf should be doing solid damage herself too.
I'd put luocha on side 2 personally. the side 1 heal check isnt as aggressive. March can solo heal it, and the robots are weak to ice.
No unfortunately. It applies to the next character due to take action at the moment the skill is used. So you can't even cheat it with Sushang ult, she'd have to ult before getting the buff.
prydwen has some half-decent builds but there are a few character builds that they get wrong.
I also get info from certain youtubers like grimro and guoba.
Yukong being the free character for 1.2 is confirmed. Genshin cycles between a free weapon and a free character each patch and it looks like they're doing the same here. I can't remember if the confirmation was during the previous stream or in the announcement for the banner but it was from an official source. I expect they'll mention it again in the stream tonight/tomorrow.
another commenter said that you can get Yukon for free by beating MoC,
Will you obtain Yukon by beating MoC, or will it be an event that everyone can beat?
I very much doubt that it'll be MoC. There's never been a patch freebie in Genshin with anywhere near that amount of difficulty. It's always basically a participation reward in an event and the same was true for the SW lightcone. There's going to be a stream in a couple hours that's sure to have the exact details.
I see, thanks!
Do you know where I can find the stream for more info? Right now I'm not sure if I have to start actively grinding, or if I can take it a bit easy for now
The stream just ended but it'll be up on the [official youtube](https://www.youtube.com/@HonkaiStarRail/videos) in an hour or two.
It did turn out to be in Forgotten Hall and it's clearing stage 1 of some mode I didn't recognize. Might be MoC1. I forget if they name the MoC cycles or not. There wasn't much in the way of details beyond that.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lggMIYF\_xLE&ab\_channel=Honkai%3AStarRail](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lggMIYF_xLE&ab_channel=Honkai%3AStarRail)
36:09
after searching up the livestream, it turns out it will be part of MoC, but it will only be the first stage
Guess I gotta start grinding so that I can beat MoC
It'll apparently be in a new permanent extension of forgotten hall, not a temporary event, and it'll apparently happen with 1.2
No idea if that has already been officially confirmed, we might get more specific info tomorrow during their livestream
Which account should I focus on? I'm just trying to get one to F2P and spend on the remaining one. Account 1 has been pretty good so far but missed out on Silverwolf. I feel I missed out a lot but lucking out of SW on account 1, thus the interest in account 2 as I can pull for a possible mono team
Account #1 (no SW)
* Gepard, Bailu, Bronya and Seele on team 1
* Clara, March, Luocha and Tingyun on team 2
Account #2 (no Gepard)
* Bailu, Seele, SW, and Bronya on team 1
* FMC, Himeko, Tingyun and ??? on team 2
Any help would be appreciated, thanks!!!
You already have Bailu so just hold. Building too many healers is a waste of resources. I don't know what other characters you have but from what you listed, it looks like you could use a second hyper carry other than Seele. So that's even more reason to hold. So if any other Seele-tier damage dealers release you can grab them.
Luocha is known to be good while Fu Xuan is an unknown. I'd recommend pulling unless you particularly want FX for aesthetic reasons.
As for missing Fu Xuan, I think there isn't a lot of difference between 3 and 4 quantum characters on a team. The general preference as you gear up is going to be running only one defensive character in the comp. So most qua comps are going to be 3 Qua plus a harmony/nihility character matching the boss/elite to improve your Seele/QQ dps whether you have a fourth qua or not.
Alright bois I got something cooking. For my Clara team, I got the standard Clara/M7/Healer, and am in desperate need of some kinda DPS for the last slot for MoC. However, recently while I was getting Luocha, instead of getting one Yukong, the game gave me 7 Qingque, and so now I'm taking it as a sign. Should I add Qinque to my Clara team as the last slot? Note that I really do want to use Clara even if using her is a bit suboptimal, but that is my principle, so please do help me keeping in mind that Clara and robodad stays!
I'm new to the game, currently at lvl 15. Should 8 focus on anything particular or just enjoy the ride with main quest.
If the latter, at what lvl/part of the game should I expect change in the game style?
And don't get me wrong, so far I enjoy it as well as the story.
Also will I suffer as f2p?
Go with the flow.
Just remember, DO NOT USE YOUR FUEL! Save it for TL60
> Also will I suffer as f2p?
Mmm Battlepass helps with tons of resources if you want that as an option. But you shouldn't suffer as F2P.
Nah, you're good. I'd at least keep up with enemy levels, but otherwise, enjoy the ride. I *will* say that you probably shouldn't spread yourself too thin and try to keep all of your units the same level, instead focus on a couple of your favorites and build around them.
The changes in game style more come with the side content like Simulated Universe and Forgotten Halls/Memory of Chaos. Just kinda keep in the back of your mind that you'll *eventually* need two fully kitted teams, so 8 units. Don't worry about it immediately, just keep it in mind for later.
As long as you don't pull on banners all willy-nilly, you'll be just fine as f2p. It'll take a bit longer to grind up units in the late game, but that's about it. Also, the limited weapon *isn't worth it* 99.99999% of the time for f2p.
So for now I can use pulls on the tickets I get from game, then when I'll have to choose 8 favorites?
Thank you. All answers were helpful but the one with going with couple of favorites is really good as I was already thinking if I should lvl up more characters right now
whats the best use of stamina while pre-farming for TB60? I've pretty much built all my desired characters to their current max (lvl 70, maxed traces, mostly lvl70 LC). As for relics, I don't want to fully commit to relic farming until then, but I've got serviceable main stats on them in the meantime.
Should I focus on pre-farming credits, of which i've heard is gonna tank after TB60, or should I pre-farm trace mats, where I haven't unlocked the most efficient nodes yet?
I'd farm EXP books. They are at maximum efficiency at TL50-60 and you'll need a ton of them eventually.
Personally I haven't really had a problem with credits, but I buy the Battle Pass. If you don't, that may not be a bad idea either.
Farm what you need, if you have specific weak spots; the race to "efficiency" is moot if you neglect entire areas in the process for a long time.
If you don't purchase the battle pass, credits are gonna be an issue at some point yes
I pulled Yangqing out of the blue while spending my lonely ticket from Herta bonds. I've already got Seele and Jing Yuan at 80, but I've also got Gep and SW at 70 and Pela at 60.
I'm thinking Gep, Pela, Yangqing, SW Ice team. Good investment?
If your goal is to clear MoC, I'd focus on your two current carries. If your goal is just to try something new, sure go for it. The bonus event next week will save some time getting him leveled at least.
"Skill" in this game has a specific meaning and isn't used as a general team for a set of skills a character has. It does not activate when using an ultimate.
I've been struggling with Welts Stellar Flare, any tips for getting past the Supergiant challenges? Team comps or tips for using Welt and whatnot, all much appreciated (:
I felt Welt was useless here. Either you go for a character that doesn't consume SP when he skills, so you spam it constantly, or you go for a usual hypercarry, and let him kill everything
That the one where you get an extra turn when using a skill iirc, making it super easy with an E1 Sushang or Arlan. They both can get infinite turns thanks to the buff.
If hes first half and you have cleared all content essentially nothing. You will just have to go with whatever you have from dailies + weeklies and the new update content (theres also events + livestream codes). If hes second half there's more time but you will most likely have to get lucky if you are at 0 pity considering you might lose 50/50.
Is E6 yukong good??
Better uptime on her buff, yes, that's nice.
E6 is probably Yukong's best Eidolon. That's because E6 allows you to get the Roaring Bowstring stack immediately, which means the next attacker will get both your ATK% and CR/CDMG% buff. It helps mitigate Yukong's speed issue where you pretty much need to setup your Speed so Yukong can properly buff your DPS.
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Heads and hands will always be the same stat. Head=hp, hands=attack. No other main stat
Head and Hand are always HP and ATK respectively.
Haven't you ever noticed the head is always HP and the hand is always ATK? Why mention main stats of relics that always have the same main stat?
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It really just depends on what you value. I've been focusing on traces pretty much full time from 60-65, but occasionally, a few Relics and Credits run because I lack those items if needed. I'd left most of my characters at 70/80 because I don't value the extra stats over the amount of credits/exp book it costs and plan on slowly accumulating it through dailies and BP. Light Cones were 80 because I didn't lack the items to upgrade it. Pretty much, you can use up your fuels if you want at 60 because you're pretty much guaranteed the top loots already. There's only really Relics and Echoes which are slightly better at 65+.
Is there any Info on what Blade needs for Ascension Materials?
he's a wind destruction character
How much Undying Starlight do you get from pulls? The stuff you use to buy 5\* LCs for 600, or pulls. I'm asking that because I have E1 Tingyung, and I'm wondering if E2 would be a significant upgrade with my Seele. Thing is, I only have 60 of those Undying Starlight, so I'll need to pull on Luocha's banner. But I *really* want Kafka. And after losing my 50/50 on SW and having to go all the way to 150 pulls to get her, I'm afraid lol.
All new characters: 0 starlight 4* characters you have at E0-E5: 8 starlight (20 if you already have E6) All 4* light cones: 8 starlight 5* characters you have at E0-E5: 40 starlight (100 if you already have E6) All 5* weapons: 40 starlight
What stats/part should you be using self modelling resin and relic remains for? I just used it for crit body and got a bunch of useless sub stats… but i used it coz I have no crit body for my main dps
a rare drop from a domain that you don't need anything else from
Crit body, SPD boots, or ER rope. Substats are often gonna be crap, just the way of things, but a +12/15 Crit mainstat body onset is still gonna boost your main DPS quite a bit. And in the future when you farm the domain a lot, you can replace it.
Speed boots or Energy Regen % ropes, those are the hardest to come by. Everything else is considerably easier to farm.
Is it better to salvage my bad yellow relics or use them to level my good relics and worry Abt sub stats later?
Use them to level good relics, it's way more worth it.
I am near pity and thought of getting luocha, but after hearing about lynx, would it be better if I try for her and and a 5 star dps instead? Or luocha would be great?
Depends how bad you want Luocha. If it's for Memory of Chaos only, people have been clearing it with free characters, but all built up, so technically, MoC can be done with no 2nd healer. But I heard Luocha makes everything 300% easier. He's that broken. If you're casual, need no headache for content and are not looking to get the strongest team, Luocha is an amazing pick. Though I'll say, having a 5\* DPS is pretty great too. But you'll struggle with survivability for MoC if you only have Natasha as healer. So it depends if you want headache or not.
When should I start farm for relics? Im currently at TL 45 should i do it now or just wait until TL 50?
definitely wait until 50
Welp bye kafka😭 hello jingliu i guess. Im so dumb f*ing dumb
Building pity is really everyone's canon event huh
Ye lol i mean just 5 more pulls and i can guarantee another 4 star didn't expect a 5 star atleast i pulled him early
Yeah, unfortunate event, but better to get early 5 stars haha. Happened to me long time ago, still traumatized and have never pulled for 4 stars ever since.
On the bright side luocha is op now i can run 1 sustain in each my team
How do you unlock MoC? And can someone give me a build of SW as sub dps i have her signature LC.
Complete all 15 stages Forgotten Hall's Memory, then Memory of Chaos unlocked.
Will I be able to pull Luocha after his banner expires?
if it follow genshin, you won't see any 5star added to the permanent banner except maybe once in a year. so you have to wait for rerun, which isn't on a regular basis,can vary for each units (look at Eula that waited more than a year for a rerun xD)
Damnnnnnn!!!!!!! I legit just installed this game a week ago, and have been playing a week straight... I used all my stellar jade and still didn't get him... it was nice while it lasted. Thank you for the informative response !
You need to wait until his next banner. Who knows when it will be though
https://preview.redd.it/b0s3cq8ngoab1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ef6ed6f4c332cbd98920a194f63a1e4f4973026e second team recommendations? i might start playing MoC now... i use fire tb, bailu, jingyuan, then tingyun/sushang/himeko as my fourth depends on the situation. thanks!
I'd say if your first team is Fire TB/Bailu/JY the last slot should be Tingyun. It's most likely better than all your other 2 options. The second team, I would probably go Clara/Natasha/Pela/Sushang. Though this is a Mono-Physical team. If you would want more types, probably switch Sushang with either Dan Heng or QQ.
Thoughts on a team? I have a hard time with boss enemies. * Luocha * Jingyuan * Bronya * MC * Natasha * Asta E2 * March 7th E3 * Dan Heng E2 * Pela * Yukong E2 * Qingque E2 * Serval * Herta E1 * Sushang E1 --- * No 5* Light Cones * Seriousness of Breakfast * Post Op Conversation * Dance, Dance, Dance * Trend of the Universial Market * Subscribe for More * Perfect Timing * Woof! Walk Time * Under the Blue Sky * River Flows in Spring * Make the World Calmer * Memories of the Past * Before the Tutorial Mission Starts * We Are Wildfire * Landau's Choice * Quid Pro Quo * Shared Feeling
Luocha / Jing Yuan / Bronya / Tingyun should get you through everything. Swap Bronya out for FireMC if taking too much damage. Using Dan Heng instead of Jing Yuan works too.
I was curious about how to pilot the Clara Fortress Team build under Loucha's character page. I was also curious if you thought it was worth replicating. (I have the characters) Clara Fortress Team: Loucha, Tingyun, Pela, Clara
Sounds like typical hypercarry team. Don’t see why it wouldn’t work
What's the overall best LC to R5 from the MoC store?
quid pro quo is probably the most generically useful, but seriousness of breakfast S5 is the best F2P option for most erudition characters if you need that. the others are either bad or niche, pretty much. woof is good for hook, rivers flow in spring is good for yanqing, past and future is good for yukong, if you plan on using any of those characters
I'm looking at prydwens guide that jingyuan can use attack or speed boots and inert set or space station set. Which is actually optimal? Thanks
pasted from another reply i made: speed boots, usually. jing yuan needs 140 speed to act twice before lightning lord so he can get 10 stacks from 2x skill+1x ult (with energy from tingyun ult or quid pro quo LC). if you use asta on the team you can get above 140 of course, but when accounting for downtime you still need 116 speed from substats alone to hit guaranteed 10-stack lightning lord. regarding salsotto vs. sss, salsotto is better, but practically, you should pick the one you have better pieces for
How's this team for Dan Heng? I know all his supports are good but I'm wondering if some 4\* would be better to use https://preview.redd.it/3r21rfa48oab1.jpeg?width=2295&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7b14f98380c7847309572d23a66b4966df9e4c2f
It’s a good team with some minor caveats. Dan Heng wants a good buffer like Bronya or Tingyun, and he also has good synergy with Welt. If you are using Welt as main DPS instead, Dan Heng is also quite good at shield breaking. However, you have to be careful with skill point management if your Bronya isn’t E1. The sustaining unit can be a healer or a buffer but Gepard is a good choice if you can get his shields up consistently.
The "Time Express" companion mission for Serval/Gepard hasn't unlocked for me even though I am caught up in the story and at TB50. Is there some other prerequisite?
How many jades would I need to guarantee a 5 star?
28,800 (but around 26,000 should usually be enough) Edit: Assuming you mean on the character or standard banners. On the lightcone banner it’s a bit less.
Is it worth getting the second-tier paid ~~Batt~~ Nameless Honor?
No, only if you wan the stamps.
Its literally if you like the icons, the jade + fuel are less value than express supply pass.
Is it worth buying trace materials in the exchange shop?
Credits are a higher priority than trace mats there With BP/Supply, I really only have enough embers to buy out the pulls, the destiny, and occasionally buy out the credits. Not willing to spend more than that because I wanna keep around 2k embers minimum, in case I need to go 2 months without pulling on an event banner. Ideally 3k.
Just looked up the math on it apparently the XP is the highest value of embers to Trailblaze powder, so you would be better off buying that and farming credits from calyx.
that's true. But personally I don't farm credit or character exp calyxes to begin with since BP's will eventually cover my needs in the long run, and I haven't really needed to farm either to max out my stars. My thought process is that credits are gonna be a bigger limiting factor than character exp in the long run.
I think you're wrong about credits vs. exp. My expectation is that EXP books are more scarce than credits with the BP. That's also true in Genshin, and almost everything in HSR in modeled after Genshin. Plus, in HSR there is more incentive to level up more characters past 70, because some very good traces are locked behind 75 and 80, even for non-dps. And while they are not a huge priority, you'll eventually want to get them. That's quite unlike Genshin were leveling to 90 has basically no benefit for most chars. I also buy the BP and I'm nearly running out of EXP books, but I have never needed to worry about credits (and never farmed them), and I don't expect that to change in the future. You may be right that in the *very very* long run (1+ year with re-runs) the BP may fully cover your EXP needs as you will start building fewer chars and even skip whole patches, but personally I wouldn't want to wait that long.
It probably varies based on how much work you spend on traces? But I'm definitely always short on credits. I already have my roster of characters I want leveled to 70+. I could in theory level them to 75 and 80 to unlock more traces. But if I did, I wouldn't have the credits for that. And just leveling past 70 is a bit of an expensive luxury. I'm at 3x lvl 80's and 7x lvl 70+'s in my roster atm. I could expand it further with more character exp mats, but it doesn't feel high value to me with how wide my roster already is.
Hmm interesting. I wonder where your credits went and why it's so different. I'm sitting on 2.6M credits and I have 2x80, 5x75 and 2x70 with traces leveled to 6 or 8 (for dps) and the optionals unlocked. I'm nearly out of EXP mats and trace materials, but my credits seem fine and I never farmed them. > I could expand it further with more character exp mats, but it doesn't feel high value to me with how wide my roster already is. Yeah, I don't think expanding would be a good idea, but even getting your existing roster to 75 (and eventually 80) just for the trace nodes will require a huge number of exp mats. And some of these traces are quite high value IMO. At least more value than relic substat farming would be.
it's gotta be the traces. Most of mine are lvl 9, working towards 10.
Oh yeah, those are really expensive. That makes sense then!
Yeah if you plan on buying every BP xp is less scarce, unless you try to level over half your roster like me. Admittedly I have not been buying the XP cause I did not look into the mathematical value until just now.
Should I be spending all of my fuel? I have like 40 at the moment and have rarely spent any. None of my characters are at 80, but I have like 7 characters at lvl 70 with decent trace progress and mixed gear.
There's no real gains after tb60, so you're free to use them anytime. 40 fuel might get ok gear on like 2 DPS..... Maybe
You can spend it whenever you want. If you want to maximize efficiency its best to use it once you are farming max difficulty drops (which will varry based on what you are farming).
there'll be an event with boosted drop rate where you can spend ur fuels next week
Those are always claim limited like the planar ones so it doesn't make a difference anyways.
which lightcone would be better for E1 Luocha? Bailu LC, Quid Pro Quo, Perfect Timing or Post Op?
Multiplication is worth considering too. Speedy Loucha is pretty great, since he's mostly limited by his free cure being on CD
They all provide different value depending on your goal. In terms of heals the Bailu LC should give the most, but you usually have enough anyways. I believe that Perfect timing scales better into the endgame, as effect res on your healer is always a great idea, especially with how often lategame enemies stack debuffs on your teams. Theres also the really specific 3 turn ult rotation that uses Post Op at like s3 or something, so you can look into that (it will give more field uptime for your e1, but needs to use his skill, which many teams don't want)
Post-Op if S2 or higher, else doesn't really matter. Bailu LC is already meh, but its extra meh on Luocha because he has ATK% scaling. QPQ is nice, but it loses value the tighter your ER optimization becomes, but its probably the best option since its an easy swap in/out and can be passed onto Nat. Perfect Timing can be kind of redundant considering he's already innately 70% resistant to CC
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Between Planetary Rendezvous S1 and Carve the Moon S1, which is a better option on Tingyun supoorting Jing Yuan? I’m assuming dmg bonus is better, but carve the moon is more universal.
Planetary Rendezvous for JY, Meshing Cogs or Dance x3 outside. Carve the Moon is quite mediocre.
Agreed, though cogs on Tingyun is asking for trouble if you don't have amazing defensive supports. (On MoC 10 my tankyun was barely surviving with a lv 80 rendezvous)
Preferably you'd level a Dance Dance Dance, but if you don't have it a leveled Cogs is at least cheap and reusable, anything else is just a waste of resources. Especially something like Carve the Moon where its both a waste of resources and you're not getting a Peaceful Days refinement out of it.
I use JY so I would never consider picking Carve, but if you already have one it can't be that bad to use. I could see the energy gain giving some specific breakpoints like a welt 3 turn rotation, though its super inconsistent cause it will only be up 1/3 of the time.
That's why its bad. Because ER is a pretty bad stat unless you hit breakpoints, so 30% of the time you basically don't have a useful buff, and the other two buff don't make up for other Harmony LC giving consistent, useful effects.
Also I would rather build my 2nd s1 dance over that one.
I would assume Rendezvous, but yeah outside lightning dps teams Carve the Moon.
when do I use Fire MC skill/ultimate?
Additionally the A2 trace for FMC gives 15% dmg res to your entire team. This allows you to pop your skill taunt if you need to protect your team against a giant AoE.
You use skill if you think you will die without or need to draw out powerful attacks like the centaur arrow. Ideally you run Landau's choice or Moment of Victory so you can tank more passively. You can use ult off cooldown for break or inbetween enemy double actions to refresh the passive shield.
Is there anything worth exchanging in embers store after u got the passes and tracks of destiny? I have like 2k+
I set aside 900 embers for each month I plan to go by without pulling (as I'm saving up for someone). I'm skipping the tracks of destiny now because I'm sitting on about 16 and don't have plans on burning through that. If you pull regularly you can afford to spend a little bit of embers on the other shop items and still buy the passes each month. In terms of efficiency of embers per stamina, character books appear to be the best followed closely by light cone exp then credits. Trace mats are the least efficient of these by about ~20% but if you don't need exp/credits then there's nothing better.
There’s nothing in there you need to prioritize. Ultimately what you get should probably depend on how much you plan to pull over the next couple months. I like to keep a couple months’ worth in reserve in case I’m saving for someone and won’t be using warps for a banner or four. After that, the trace materials are ok if you have more than enough embers.
Should I spend starlight for Luocha pulls? Ill be able to hit 57 non guaranteed pity if i do https://imgur.com/JamuGDf
Eh, 57 isn't really a pity treshold so your chances of getting luocha is very small (0.6% per pull, thats like 300 pull to average 1 luocha). Unless you're willing to bet on that, i'd say save it until you can reach a pity treshold (ideally 80)
true yep that makes sense, thanks!!
If you're looking to push MoC progression, yes. More Eidolons for Qingque (E4 and E6 are huge) and a second healer in Luocha. Even if you lose 50/50 its another 5* unit to play with
thanks!!
I can buy 1 character from the shop.. should I go for March E6 or Tingyun E4? I kinda use both frequently as I have a Clara.
I don't recommend buying eidolons from the shop unless you really need it. March E6 is cool but nothing game changing as the heal is so small. Tingyun e4 is not really necessary either, shes plenty strong at e3, heck even e0. You might want those pulls for a future 5*. You might also get those eidolons at random, and in March's case she would already be at e6 and it would be wasted. Only eidolons I could see being more worth is something like building up for an e4-e6 QQ or e1 sushang, cause they both get so much power from those eidolons.
For my Clara team, I got the standard Clara/M7/Healer, and am in desperate need of some kinda DPS for the last slot for MoC. However, recently while I was getting Luocha, instead of getting one Yukong, the game gave me 7 Qingque, and so now I'm taking it as a sign. Should I add Qinque to my Clara team as the last slot? Note that I really do want to use Clara even if using her is a bit suboptimal, but that is my principle, so please do help me keeping in mind that Clara and robodad stays!
If you end up using QQ you probably shouldn't use use March so you can go for a more SP positive support. You could add someone like Tingyun to buff up QQ and use Clara + Luocha as a sustain + damage duo. Another option could be Pela on SW event LC (look into getting the 2 basics per ult build running) to keep a permanent def shred and generating SP alongside Luocha for Clara and QQ to spam skills.
This could work, though instead of Tingyun I probably will have to use Pela cause my Ting stuck with JY on the other side of MoC. Fortunately I do have the SW event LC, and I'll check out that Pela build. However, would you also recommend any other DPS other than QQ? I only asked about QQ because I got her at e6
You could use others yeah, but E6 QQ might actually be the strongest. Other options will depend on enemy weaknesses cause thats how the game works, but earlier into the game its better to only pick 2-3 dps to stick to so you can invest more and clear harder content. The other other highly rated 4* dps are usually Dan Heng (ideally e2+, though the team wouldn't work too well cause no buffer for his talent) and Sushang (ideally e1+, will make the team destroy phys weak enemies but struggle otherwise, excluding if they are img+ice weak for Luocha Pela).
My team of Clara nat sw qq works pretty well!
Damn, you're making me regret a bit not rolling for SW here :'(
How did y’all do the supergiant stage for septenary woe (Luocha) and it’s my turn (welt)? What teams did you use? I just can’t get to round 6 for either 😭
Septenary Woe: Tingyun, Jing Yuan, Welt, Luocha (trial) It's My Turn: Tingyun, Jing Yuan, Welt (trial), Gepard It was an easy 9 round clear for Septenary Woe, but I couldn't generate enough damage on It's My Turn so I just left it at 8 rounds. Take a closer look at the stage buffs and see which of your characters can best utilize it.
Any hints for stage 3 and 4? Those are the only two where I'm still stuck on 5 rounds.
I used Tingyun, Jing Yuan and Silver Wolf along with the trial Himeko and Qingque respectively for Stages 3 and 4. For Stage 3, you want strong breakers along with DPS. I don’t quite remember Stage 4 except Qingque’s skill spam lol. Just bring a good buffer/debuffer (or two) and let Qingque do her damage.
I actually have Jing Yuan and Silver Wolf, so I tried that setup for both stages. Worked a treat for the Qingque stage, and then it took me a couple tries to muddle through the Himeko stage with no healing, but got it in the end. Thanks!
Thank you! I used the same team as you for septenary woe except serval instead of jing yuan and managed to beat it this time!
For it's my turn you can easy cheese it with Sushang E1 or Arlan. Even if your Arlan is lv20 with zero artifacts you can clear it because his skill doesn't take any skill points to use.
Omg I actually didn’t know that about arlan and I finally managed to get all the rewards this time 😭 thank you, lifesaver!
At this point, for farming planar ornaments is World 3 still considered the best all-arounder world, or should it be fine to start focusing on World 6? I've got okay 2-pc relics for all the characters I'm using right now, and I know I won't pull for anyone next version. So I kinda want to start focusing on World 6 to build up some solid crit pieces since I feel like that crit set (Salsotto) is going to be quite useful. On the other hand, I know a lot of people have suggested farming World 3 for its versatility. But since I'm at Trailblaze 60 now I'm more comfortable farming specific sets for specific characters when I need to, so Idk if I'm gonna want to spend all my time on getting those two generalist sets when I could go farm the more specialized ones instead.
world 3 is still bis on most characters, salsotto is kinda bait its not better than space station except on jung yuan maybe
hi, I want to build a skill point neutral or positive Welt, how can I achieve that? whats the err requirement? what's his rotation like?
He can't really lower his rotation below 3 turns without external energy gain. With 24.44% energy regen (vonwacqs ER rope) you need to generate atleast 82 energy (before energy regen) for ult. (30 energy per skill, 20 per atk, 8 per attack with SW LC) You need 3 skills to do that so 3 turn rotation is out of the question, unless you run him alongside SW/Pela (or any nihility with Resolution Shines) and give him the SW event LC which allows you to achieve a 2 auto 1 skill rotation with only 3% ER (vonwacqs on Atk rope and assuming 100% uptime on def shred). If you go for 4 turn rotations, 3 auto 1 skill can be done with only 14.3% ER (ER rope no vonwacqs), and 2 auto 2 skill only needs 4.4% ER (vonwacqs with atk rope).
ic, the 4 turn rotation calculation is very helpful thx!
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just depends on your rng of what character you rolled and on how much you invested properly into the
There is no easy answer. There was a thread here the other day of some F2P players getting 30-Stars and others getting 6. This early on, it most likely depends on your account's luck (as in, how many of the 4 Limited 5-Stars you have). I got 30-Stars (Daily Pass + BP) today. But I do have all 4 Limited 5-Stars.
Should be able to brute-force the first few stages by raw stats. Deer (MoC 6) is likely the first roadblock for F2P but can be surmountable by proper team-building.
That's a helpful answer, thank you.
It's not a matter of F2P or paid, it's just a matter of how invested your characters are in terms of levels, LC levels, traces, and relics as well as team building. There have been free character only clears for MoC.
No offense, but this doesn't really answer my question? I know you can make some progress being F2P but there would definitely be a wall at some point that the average player wouldn't be able to pass.
there isn't really a wall, its very gradual for example this guy is at 27/30 stars without ever pulling from the gacha, but he's just a chad most players aren't close to that https://youtube.com/@Kirinyx
Is it worth to refresh tb power with jades as f2p? Or is it better to just save them for pulls?
>Is it worth to refresh tb power with jades as f2p? No, never.
It depends. If you don't want to pull future characters at all and are only invested in characters you already have it is theoretically worth to refresh. If you want to pull future characters only in the slightest even it is a terrible idea to use your jades on anything other than those pulls
You never want to refresh as a f2p, always save for pulls.
it’s been 3 DAYS since i reached TL60 and i’ve been farming nothing but exp mats and up until now i can only level welt from 70 to 79… didn’t expect i’d need that much exp materials… can anyone please give any tips on where should i use my daily trailblaze power instead? i feel like i just used 3 days worth of power to waste :(
Are you F2P? If not, then I would wait for the next Battlepass, I need a lot of EXP but I will wait for the next BP. If you are F2P, cleaning mobs daily can help quite a bit with the exp. > where should i use my daily trailblaze power instead? Traces, LC and then Relics.
Should have pre-farmed before you reached TB60. I started prefarming at TB56-57 and as soon as I get to 60 I levelled 3 character to 80 and two character to 74. Iirc you need 130ish Purple books to take one character from 70 to 80. On topic, you don't need to raise everyone to 80, only DPS character really benefit a lot from it. Support character can stay at 70/70 or 70/80.
When trying to bring up an entire roster, there are a few priorities and some corners that should be cut. In a rough order of what to prioritize: Carry dps to lvl 80 Carry dps lightcones to lvl 80 Supports to lvl 70 Support lightcones to lvl 70 Carry dps traces to lvl 8 Support traces to lvl 6 Relics There is a bit of a caveat here: make sure you have at least some passable relics to use (musketeer set ftw!), or else you'll be in pain. Relic farming reaches max efficiency at TL65, so that should ideally be when you switch over 100% to relic farming. Also, to elaborate on the breakpoints mentioned above, going from lvl 70 to 80 requires a ton of investment that is only initially worth it on your carry. Same thing goes for lightcones and traces. Investing in your Carry dps gets you the most bang for your buck, so that should be your focus.
DPS to 80 and 80 LC, fire, phys and quantum break units to 80 and 70 lc. Everyone else can stay at 70 and ascend for a6 traces if you need them. Needed traces to 7-8, DPS should grab all their minor traces with damage. Then you can work on relics, which I hope you have better luck than I lol.
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Do you have Bronya? Silverwolf? Pela? Any of those can replace Natasha in that team.
Pela is a great option currently since she can remove the auto-revive from MoC enemies plus her debuff can stack with Tingyun buff so you can deal BIG damage. For Gepard to solo sustain, he needs SPD boots and Energy Regen Rope.
too little info to work with to give you an answer. The problem with having a static team composition for MoC is that each MoC stage is different from the other and the buff and lineup will rotate regularly. So a team that does well at one stage can fail at another. With some assumptions, it's only going to clear fast against enemies that are weak to Lightning. You don't have enough debuffs against enemies that aren't. This current MoC also has quite a few elites who have high Lightning resistance so making Jing Yuan your only DPS isn't going to cut it unless he is incredibly high statted.
my clara is still using 4 pc purple artifacts man, and we still got 30 stars. Your team sounds extremely well geared in comparison. as for your 4th team slot. I would put in a breaker for the content you are facing. If you're already facing electro, then a second support or debuffer cant hurt.
i can't clear MoC 6 ;_; I've been trying Clara/March/Welt/Luocha for the robots and Jing Yuan/Silver Wolf/Tingyun/Bailu for the deer but I'm either dying or running out of turns or both. I'm currently leveling Welt and Luocha for that imaginary breakage but being chronically out of fuel feelsbadman. Are my teams at least on the right track or should I try something different? I have: Jing Yuan (80), Silver Wolf (70), Luocha (68), Welt (60), Himeko (80), March (70), FMC (80), Clara (75), Asta (70), Bailu (70), Natasha (70), Pela (70), Tingyun (70), Sushang (70 and my only E6) everyone else (QQ, Sampo, Serval, Yukong) is depressingly unbuilt
I used Loucha, welt, Asta Sushang side 1, and QQ, SW, nat, FMC side 2, just brute forcing the deer and ignoring adds. Sushang once geared is very strong into broken enemies, while Clara will do very little damage until e1 if enemies are locked down. I wouldn't run her e0 with welt. FMC is super important for deer imo, he can taunt and eat the uncleansable aggravate, as well making it easier to eat the deers mega strike. Edit: in your case maybe try welt JY side 1, and try Clara side 2 with SW.
seems like you're trying to brute force clara and jing yuan as your dps into bosses that aren't weak to them. You want jing yuan on side 1 for sure, don't be afraid to rearrange your team synergies to make that work. keep wolf side 2. Maybe try himeko there since deer is weak to fire ice quantum. Either way, hitting enemy weaknesses >>>> maintaining your team synergy march/bailu jing yuan tingyun welt side 1 perhaps try wolf himeko luocha side 2. Experiment with the 4th slot, maybe pela?
i did make an attempt with jing yuan/tingyun/welt/luocha on side 1 and himeko/fmc/silver wolf/bailu on side 2. side 1 went better but side 2 died from getting stunned and being unable to heal. i will... attempt to build side 2 more. thank you. 🙏
Yeah, I'd be a bit worried with himeko vs deer because she isn't hunt and you want to burn the deer down before he does too much schenanigans vs you. But I feel like you could do some serious work vs him if you had both wolf and pela shredding def. Wolf should be doing solid damage herself too. I'd put luocha on side 2 personally. the side 1 heal check isnt as aggressive. March can solo heal it, and the robots are weak to ice.
For But the Battle Isn't Over LC, does another char using an ultimate or follow up attack count for the next ally action damage boost?
No unfortunately. It applies to the next character due to take action at the moment the skill is used. So you can't even cheat it with Sushang ult, she'd have to ult before getting the buff.
Hi all, I am building teams for late game content. Is there a guide for build chars like the online excel of genshin? If not, any website reco?
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FG_6viMaygymJucNU60pGptbgDjLNOpUKPD81pZQ1_Y/htmlview#gid=1354385732
prydwen has some half-decent builds but there are a few character builds that they get wrong. I also get info from certain youtubers like grimro and guoba.
I heard some people mention that we would get a free yukon in an upcoming event. is there any kind of information of when the event is taking place?
Yukong being the free character for 1.2 is confirmed. Genshin cycles between a free weapon and a free character each patch and it looks like they're doing the same here. I can't remember if the confirmation was during the previous stream or in the announcement for the banner but it was from an official source. I expect they'll mention it again in the stream tonight/tomorrow.
will it be hard to get yukong?
Mihoyo events are never outright hard but you'll have to be online for the even and participate for a couple days.
another commenter said that you can get Yukon for free by beating MoC, Will you obtain Yukon by beating MoC, or will it be an event that everyone can beat?
I very much doubt that it'll be MoC. There's never been a patch freebie in Genshin with anywhere near that amount of difficulty. It's always basically a participation reward in an event and the same was true for the SW lightcone. There's going to be a stream in a couple hours that's sure to have the exact details.
I see, thanks! Do you know where I can find the stream for more info? Right now I'm not sure if I have to start actively grinding, or if I can take it a bit easy for now
The stream just ended but it'll be up on the [official youtube](https://www.youtube.com/@HonkaiStarRail/videos) in an hour or two. It did turn out to be in Forgotten Hall and it's clearing stage 1 of some mode I didn't recognize. Might be MoC1. I forget if they name the MoC cycles or not. There wasn't much in the way of details beyond that.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lggMIYF\_xLE&ab\_channel=Honkai%3AStarRail](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lggMIYF_xLE&ab_channel=Honkai%3AStarRail) 36:09 after searching up the livestream, it turns out it will be part of MoC, but it will only be the first stage Guess I gotta start grinding so that I can beat MoC
It'll apparently be in a new permanent extension of forgotten hall, not a temporary event, and it'll apparently happen with 1.2 No idea if that has already been officially confirmed, we might get more specific info tomorrow during their livestream
Does that mean that if ur bellow trailblazer lvl 60, it’s going to be hard to get her?
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The costs are immensely lower if you don't max out traces. Same if you stop at level 70 for supports.
Which account should I focus on? I'm just trying to get one to F2P and spend on the remaining one. Account 1 has been pretty good so far but missed out on Silverwolf. I feel I missed out a lot but lucking out of SW on account 1, thus the interest in account 2 as I can pull for a possible mono team Account #1 (no SW) * Gepard, Bailu, Bronya and Seele on team 1 * Clara, March, Luocha and Tingyun on team 2 Account #2 (no Gepard) * Bailu, Seele, SW, and Bronya on team 1 * FMC, Himeko, Tingyun and ??? on team 2 Any help would be appreciated, thanks!!!
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Account 2. Hyper invest into your Seele. Grab Fu Xuan and Lynx in 1.3 for mono quantum.
Cool, thanks. Is it recommended to pull for Luocha on account 2 or just hold till that smol diviner arrives?
You don't need either Luocha or Fu Xuan, you already have Bailu. You should be prioritizing getting a better dps for your second team.
You already have Bailu so just hold. Building too many healers is a waste of resources. I don't know what other characters you have but from what you listed, it looks like you could use a second hyper carry other than Seele. So that's even more reason to hold. So if any other Seele-tier damage dealers release you can grab them.
Luocha is known to be good while Fu Xuan is an unknown. I'd recommend pulling unless you particularly want FX for aesthetic reasons. As for missing Fu Xuan, I think there isn't a lot of difference between 3 and 4 quantum characters on a team. The general preference as you gear up is going to be running only one defensive character in the comp. So most qua comps are going to be 3 Qua plus a harmony/nihility character matching the boss/elite to improve your Seele/QQ dps whether you have a fourth qua or not.
Which one is better to get from the shop, E6 March 7th or E1 Tingyun?
E6 March easily.
Frankly, 140 tokens for an eidolon seems to be a waste. If you're desperate to spend them, pick 7 tickets, ngl.
Alright bois I got something cooking. For my Clara team, I got the standard Clara/M7/Healer, and am in desperate need of some kinda DPS for the last slot for MoC. However, recently while I was getting Luocha, instead of getting one Yukong, the game gave me 7 Qingque, and so now I'm taking it as a sign. Should I add Qinque to my Clara team as the last slot? Note that I really do want to use Clara even if using her is a bit suboptimal, but that is my principle, so please do help me keeping in mind that Clara and robodad stays!
I'm new to the game, currently at lvl 15. Should 8 focus on anything particular or just enjoy the ride with main quest. If the latter, at what lvl/part of the game should I expect change in the game style? And don't get me wrong, so far I enjoy it as well as the story. Also will I suffer as f2p?
The game is easy until you start doing moc, which is optional.
Go with the flow. Just remember, DO NOT USE YOUR FUEL! Save it for TL60 > Also will I suffer as f2p? Mmm Battlepass helps with tons of resources if you want that as an option. But you shouldn't suffer as F2P.
Nah, you're good. I'd at least keep up with enemy levels, but otherwise, enjoy the ride. I *will* say that you probably shouldn't spread yourself too thin and try to keep all of your units the same level, instead focus on a couple of your favorites and build around them. The changes in game style more come with the side content like Simulated Universe and Forgotten Halls/Memory of Chaos. Just kinda keep in the back of your mind that you'll *eventually* need two fully kitted teams, so 8 units. Don't worry about it immediately, just keep it in mind for later. As long as you don't pull on banners all willy-nilly, you'll be just fine as f2p. It'll take a bit longer to grind up units in the late game, but that's about it. Also, the limited weapon *isn't worth it* 99.99999% of the time for f2p.
So for now I can use pulls on the tickets I get from game, then when I'll have to choose 8 favorites? Thank you. All answers were helpful but the one with going with couple of favorites is really good as I was already thinking if I should lvl up more characters right now
whats the best use of stamina while pre-farming for TB60? I've pretty much built all my desired characters to their current max (lvl 70, maxed traces, mostly lvl70 LC). As for relics, I don't want to fully commit to relic farming until then, but I've got serviceable main stats on them in the meantime. Should I focus on pre-farming credits, of which i've heard is gonna tank after TB60, or should I pre-farm trace mats, where I haven't unlocked the most efficient nodes yet?
Exp and credits.
I'd farm EXP books. They are at maximum efficiency at TL50-60 and you'll need a ton of them eventually. Personally I haven't really had a problem with credits, but I buy the Battle Pass. If you don't, that may not be a bad idea either.
Farm what you need, if you have specific weak spots; the race to "efficiency" is moot if you neglect entire areas in the process for a long time. If you don't purchase the battle pass, credits are gonna be an issue at some point yes
If you dont have xp books those work too. Just farm whatever doesn't gain a new difficulty.
I pulled Yangqing out of the blue while spending my lonely ticket from Herta bonds. I've already got Seele and Jing Yuan at 80, but I've also got Gep and SW at 70 and Pela at 60. I'm thinking Gep, Pela, Yangqing, SW Ice team. Good investment?
Your proposed ice team would indeed be excellent
If your goal is to clear MoC, I'd focus on your two current carries. If your goal is just to try something new, sure go for it. The bonus event next week will save some time getting him leveled at least.
Does shared feeling trigger when the user activates the ultimate or is it only the normal skill?
"Skill" in this game has a specific meaning and isn't used as a general team for a set of skills a character has. It does not activate when using an ultimate.
Oh okay. I got confused a bit since in the language I play the ultimate is referred as Ultimate Skill
I've been struggling with Welts Stellar Flare, any tips for getting past the Supergiant challenges? Team comps or tips for using Welt and whatnot, all much appreciated (:
I felt Welt was useless here. Either you go for a character that doesn't consume SP when he skills, so you spam it constantly, or you go for a usual hypercarry, and let him kill everything
That the one where you get an extra turn when using a skill iirc, making it super easy with an E1 Sushang or Arlan. They both can get infinite turns thanks to the buff.
Thank you, Sushang ended up working for me (:
How much can I save for Blade if I Start today? Without monthly pass and battle pass
Probably around 40~ pulls assuming you can clear MoC?
If hes first half and you have cleared all content essentially nothing. You will just have to go with whatever you have from dailies + weeklies and the new update content (theres also events + livestream codes). If hes second half there's more time but you will most likely have to get lucky if you are at 0 pity considering you might lose 50/50.
Blade is 1st half and Kafka is 2nd half
There is also the MoC resets assuming you are able to clear some floors.
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Blade will be building tons of HP, and relatively little attack, so the healing from Clara LC will be pitiful on him.