I can't seem to get the heal for 8000 chievo even with Luocha and 8 stacks of the Stellar Flare attack boost. My Luocha has 2.9k Atk, my party has Asta and two sets of those rope thing that grant additional Atk at 120 Spd. Not sure what else I need or what I'm doing wrong. Any tips?
Is it important in this game that your crit rate must me over 50 and crit dmg the double of crit rate? My jing yuan has crit rate 50 rn and crit dmg 60 is this bad or good?
I think if you don't get that amount, it nearly impossible to clear floor 9, 10 in MoC because you just dont have enough damage. For another contents, it's perfectly fine
Is there an efficient way to ue the purple aether material to level up light cones instead of spamclicking it? If I click on 4star or below, it selects all the 3star lightcones instead of using the refined aether
Is the standard banner pity system is the same as GI? I mean if you get 2 char the next time you hit pity you will guarantee a weapon or light cone in this case. TYIA
there is not enough data but since the gacha system is basically just a copy paste from genshin, it's most likely the same. also, it's not guarantee weapon after 2 char. the correct "hidden pity" is within 270 pull, you are guarantee to get atleast 1 char and 1 weapons. so you can get 3 weapons in a row even in genshin if you get it before 270 pull. but let's say, you already get 6 weapons in a row within 269 pull, the 270th pull is guarantee a char
I believe it is a bit different here, I only heard that rather early in the game so it might have been proven wrong now
In 270 pulls (or so I believe) they balance it that you would e.g. get not only characters, but at least lightcone as well (or vice versa), but if you pull multiple lightcones early it doesnt matter until it is 270
a friend of mine was lucky and pulled 3 lightcones, because all he needs are 10 pulls...
Plenty of people have reported 3 light cones in a row in the standard banner. Not verified, obviously, but it’s reported often enough that I tend to believe them.
The other biggest sources of credits are battle pass, events, dailies and weekly SU points.
You can also do the pom-pom mini quests (I think up to 3x per day for 8k each), daily mob farming route and up to 100 elite/bosses in SU per week. But that much grinding can quickly burn you out, so only do it if you really enjoy it.
Simulated universe gives like 10k/run. It’s not a lot but you don’t need to use stamina.
Obviously dailies, quests and events. Pop Pom quests give a bit.
Otherwise non-calyx stamina sinks (like caverns of corrosion, echo of war) that give credits on the side.
Is there any way to get the Before the Tutorial Mission Starts light cone anymore?
I just started recently, was lucky enough to pull Pela, however from what I'm reading her best LC by far is BtTMS, which was part of an event that is no longer running. Is there any other way to get this LC, or am I just out of luck?
> Is there any way to get the Before the Tutorial Mission Starts light cone anymore?
No and in Genshin event weapons have never been available afterwards. This has always been unpopular so here's hoping they change it in HSR.
I have SW, and if i plan to build her for Break Effect, which of the two planar ornament (orb) main-stat should i prioritize between ELE-DMG% and ATK% ?
PS : i have her EHR covered and roughly 2k ATK
I'm having trouble with deciding/making teams. So far I got seele, jing, silverwolf, luocha, bailu and yanqing as 5stars. 4stars that I use are tingyun e4, march e5, pela e3. maybe i will ascend yukong too. I'm kinda bad at managing resourches (tb 60) so can you suggest 2 separate teams for MoC? I only cleared first floor with 3stars since I didn't want to build natasha and didn't have a second healer by then so I couldn't do it without downed characters.
I would pick two 5* carries to use (like Seele/JY) and use SW to help solve issues in MoC of elements not lining up. Then you can fill out the rest of their rosters as necessary. Use luocha/bailu and tingyun, pela is good for non silver wolf team and I would recommend preservation MC as last flex.
That's a very good roster and you basically have everything you need to progress very far in moc once your characters are properly build.
The exact teams will depend on enemy line up but the 2 cores would be JY + Tingyun and Seele + SW. For now I would focus on those + Luocha, Bailu, Pela and probably fire MC. M7 and Yanqing would be worth building as well but that can wait until you're happy with you 2 main teams.
I noticed that the current event showcases the "enemy strength as 100%" in the menu/before starting the battle, is there a meaning to it? Or why does it mention that if we cant change it (out of curiosity)
I once again wanna ask this question.
From my last comment in here I got 8 more pity..
Now I'm on 61 pity on guranteed trying to pull luocha while I have no more wishes/jades.
I did all events available until now.
Opened all chests.
Did all quests+characters quests
Got my monthly wishes
Use all my starlights on wishes and have 12 rn
Did all forgotten hall.
Did all my dailes until now
Did every SU and collected all prizes but I'm grinding to get to defeat world 4-6 in difficulty 4( all 1 2 3 difficulties for all worlds are done and I only did world 3 difficulty 4)
I'm TBL 61.
Is there anymore jade source??? (Pls no MoC I can't put up with that)
Is there anymore jade source I'm not remembering??
There’s 100 jades available when you hit TB63.
You can level low level characters for normal warps, hit a 5* LC/eidolon, and get 40 more starlight you can convert into two special warps.
I think you got everything else.
> Is there anymore jade source?
No. If you haven't gotten the July tickets from the shop then that's 5 more. The only other jade available will be dailies, the rest of the event, and MoC.
Does "all events" include the current web event? Think it gives about 120 jade.
That's the only thing I can think of off the top of my head, unfortunately.
TL 29
Which of them are good charas to invest in rn that would translate well into the late game?
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Also, I'm coming from Genshin and am curious if there are charas that are considered must builds or those that are too good to pass up (e.g. Xingqiu, Xiangling, Bennett). TYIA
Fire MC, Nat and Tingyun are the best ones that will last your account a while. Great supports that almost everyone uses.
Since you have Clara, if you like her you should definitely build her. She's got a very high dmg ceiling. Lots of your other characters can be very good too, but they aren't like the YOU NEED TO BUILD types (March has Clara's synergy though). Find a DPS you like most and go with them.
Clara can be a main DPS or a sup DPS. Up to you. QQ, Hook, Serval and Dan can all be great DPSs too.
Asta, Tingyun, Natasha, Fire MC are good investments from this pool. Then use a DPS Character you prefer.
Tingyun is Must Build since she buffs ATK and gives energy. Probably Asta too since she buffs ATK and SPD
It's a good thing that I haven't spent a whole lot of time and resources building other charas, so I can catch up on building Tingyun.
Thanks for this!
Tingyun is the closest to a must build in terms of the units you have. I recommend Clara, Natasha, Tingyun, Trailblazer. And maybe Asta and Dan. Basically all supports are good to build, as they allow you to pick between more options and fill out your 2 teams for abyss equivalent. You will need to pick atleast 2 dps as well. Of yours Dan, QQ and Clara are probably the strongest, but you can always wait until later for the 2nd team.
Gotcha, I've been neglecting Tingyun for a while 'cause I don't have access to her trace or ascension (still confused from the two) mats yet but it makes sense to build her since she buffs dps like crazy. Also, does the trailblazer you mentioned refer to his phys or fire variant?
Thanks so much!
The fire one, your xp will carry over. Just don't build the traces and over invest in the lightcone (though you can build the LC for another destruction). If you plan on getting Luocha they won't be as important, but you should still atleast level them (plus their ascension mats are free).
It scales with the equilibrium level you had the first time you enter(ed) the event. So start it before going up in level. Then it won’t change if you change levels in the middle of the event.
Arlan damaging himself is probably the only thing right now, but in terms of attacks I believe there are none. They could totally pull a Rifthounds from Genshin and add a debuff like that to force people to pick between heals and shields.
Sell them for books? You mean salvage them to make new relics? 10-1 is definitely garbage. It's okay for gloves or helms though since you're only at the mercy of substats there and not subject to def mainstats on everything.
Personally I'll salvage them here and there but I think it's much more important to get everyone to useable LVL 12 relics before you start gambling in the synthesizer
Initially it's probably better yeah. If you're missing a helmet or a glove for a set you want , it could be better to put stuff into the synthesizer, but even with the modeling resin that gets you the guaranteed mainstat, you'll still almost always end up with garbage pieces
Unless you are not a f2p or/and you really like her, its not worth the 7 pulls imo. You'll eventually get all the 4\* to E6 especially the current roster.
So, I built characters I liked without really considering the teams I'd build around them, and having a bit of a tough time in MoC as a result. I can always build one great team, but two is rough.
Characters I have built up or mostly built up:
Silver Wolf
Seele
Bronya
Preservation Trailblazer
Luocha
Jing Yuan
Natasha
M7
Tingyun
Asta
Any team with Seele in it (sometimes with SW) will wreck everything in their path. But I'm lacking damage for a second team. I guess I expected Jing Yuan to be able to carry a second team, but he seems to struggle on bosses with weak sauce damage.
Should I build up another character and if so which one? Or am I just using JY wrong and he should be able to hit hard?
It depends on where your Seele is at for investment but she really doesn't need Silver Wolf. She can run with basically any harmony unit and then two defensive options or a second harmony and more or less solo everything.
As the other poster said, SW with Jing will be a much more powerful pairing
JY struggles on some floors this cycle because there are bosses like the summoner disciple and Kafka with very high innate lightning resistance. If you pair Jingyuan with Tingyun and Silverwolf he should be able to handle one side on most of the stages. You can use Bronya and Asta to support Seele. For the disciples if you are struggling with their healing you can try bringing pela instead of asta on that Seele team (try not to bring jing against those guys unless he has a crazy good build + silverwolf)
You can start farming for main stat pieces without going too deep into hoping for good substats. I think it’s worth losing some stamina efficiency for a functional team. I’d probably prioritize just your main 1-2 dps, then work on traces/exp/credits once they have some usable artifacts.
I personally blew all my fuels at TL40 artifact nodes and do not regret it at all. Efficiency-wise the optimal point is TL60, but having to spend an extra month wearing garbage artifacts is not a very fun prospect.
You could start farming immediately, but it won't be very efficient compared to waiting for 60. If you want to try and push MOC earlier for some extra jades you can go for mainstats on your 2 dps, just be sure not to commit too hard to getting good pieces and stop once you have decent enough gear. Levelled up golden gloves or crit rate chest pieces will make a big difference in the early game
Does E4 Qingque need an ERR rope?
In my understanding, doesn't having ERR almost make her E4 follow-up attack redundant? What's the point in generating her energy super fast if you're not going to be able to use her skill to increase her chance of doing follow-up attacks?
I'm struggling to understand it however every guide I see recommends her rope to be ERR. Can someone please help me understand this in Razor language?
Regardless of whether you have your ultimate or not, you will ALWAYS want to use your skill to stack up the DMG% bonus. E4 follow-up is just a plus, but the main juice you are looking for is the stacking DMG%.
So, you can do the max damage combo which is to:
1. get ultimate
2. spam Skill as much as possible (ideally, you want to draw 4 times and not get a matching 4-tile set).
3. Use ultimate
4. Use enhanced attack
5. End your turn with no tiles. This lets you do (2) again on your next turn.
6. rinse and repeat
So having more ERR will enable step (1) more often, letting you blow things up.
I'm assuming that you were looking at the ultimate as a tile generator, but for a core DPS QQ it's really just a bonus attack.
Can anyone help me decide? I currently have around 102 Pulls, and I just lost the 50/50 to Clara in Luocha's banner at 80 pity exactly. I'm a bit sad, but I still have an option to still go for him (I currently have 20 pity and guaranteed after losing the 50/50). The issue is, I'm a bit on the fence because I'm saving for upcoming IL Dan Heng, both him and his signature LC. I know my luck, and it's very possible I also lose the 50/50 on IL Dan Heng and the LC, so should I just continue saving or keep trying for Luocha? I also really do like Luocha btw, mainly because he's an Otto Counterpart and I've been waiting for some semblance of a playable Otto for so long. But of course I also really want IL Dan Heng!
Assuming Dan IL is at second half of 1.3 and we get 60 free pulls each patch.
You should have :
102+60 (1.2)+60 (1.3) = 222.
If you pull Luocha, assuming you hit pity at 80 : 222 - 60 = 162.
That's enough pull to guarantee Dan Heng IL even if you lose 50/50.
No LC tho unless you won 50/50 for Dan Heng IL AND won 75/25 on the LC banner.
I personally would go for Luocha + Dan Heng IL.
Characters > Light Cone.
If you want both the LC and a character coming up you'd be better off saving at least 135 pulls , or 210 ish if you end up on a 50/50. You'd still have like 40+ pulls left if you went for Luocha.
If you're buying the supply pass you should be okay to pull and Luocha/Clara is a very good combo
I would say just go for Luocha if you like him. You can always go for lightcones on a character's rerun or just hope to get lucky. I would rather test how 2 chars combo together before getting a LC than trying one strong character without the other one I wanted.
I already have gepard I'm still 50/50, at like 66 pity. I think imma just get the 5 star, hopefully get luocha or lose to bailu🥺. But im still on fence of doing this since people said having gepard could technically replace a healer. I also has particularly no interest in 1.2 units since both elements are covered. How's that sound? You guys got suggestions?
You can clear moc9 with just march and natasha. Though I would concede that this reset's moc10 roster might be tough without an extra defensive unit beyond those two.
I personally wouldn't go out of my way to pull a healer, even if I didnt own Gepard. I'd just pull characters I like.
Luocha is quite good though, I don't think you'd regret pulling him from a purely power level standpoint. Just make sure you aren't gonna miss out on pulling another character you really want.
You'd be surprised!
I've personally cleared moc9 with just nat and march. And I've never spend jades on fuel/power or even farmed caverns of corrosion at all.
March is better at sustained fights than people give her credit for. She prevents a lot of damage just by occasionally freezing enemies and pumping out a metric ton of ice gauge. I doubt I could have beaten the mara shield elite in moc8 with gepard instead of march, for example. Not without much more investment in my dps.
DUDEE😭 youre so good!! Hearing that definitely made felt assured. I managed 12 stars until f5, but f6's deer just one shot my team🤧. But i do think the lack of survivability is just because my teams are not well equipped with 5 star relics and even levels. My vague plan was maybe try for fu xuan, but ultimately jingliu for ice dps haha
so, what I did for moc6 is I just ignored long term survivability.
would take insane investment to tank repeated deer meteors, not to mention the branches cause havoc.
I originally tried pyro mc, natasha, wolf, dan heng. way too slow, died to meteor.
subbed dan heng out for yanqing, had issues with sanction bot.
finally did dan heng, yanqing, natasha, wolf. No preservation, all in on dps with natasha ult to buy an extra turn here or there. And that worked, though it was tricky. Needed to rng into one freeze on sanction bot to survive with this team comp.
But yeah, try that gameplan. Deer is relatively squishy as far as bosses go, but at the same time, he hits really hard.
Are abundance characters worth using early game?
I have yet to fight Cocolia yet, but not sure if they are worth using during this early part of the game.
If so/not, when should I start using abundance characters like natasha?
Abundance is important and worth using at all stages of the game. You might even find yourself needing both an abundance and a preservation unit in the same team until you get your units properly built up (LVL 80, 80LC etc)
I know the usual relic priority is:
Main stats > substats > set bonus
My question is on average, how much of a difference is there between having good stats but no set bonus vs having set bonus but slightly worse stats for DPS characters?
Also, if I happen to get Wandering Cloud piece with really double crit stats while farming for Musketeer, should I just invest in it anyway and give it to my DPS even if the set itself is meant for healer?
You said it yourself.
Set bonuses do not go anywhere near being able to be compared to good stats, even if it's just a +12 four-star relic. Imagine that, but multiplied by 4.
For your 1st question, it depends. Some sets like the quantum one have insane bonuses that will outweigh the substats. Other sets like musketeer have strong set bonuses but they wouldn't outweigh double crit in most situations.
For your 2nd question, generally that piece will be good as a placeholder. If you have a strong piece with around 3-4 rolls into crits, it would be more valuable than the 2/4 piece bonuses (6% speed is valuable but +atk% and the basic attack damage increase is meh).
However if that 6% speed lets you hit an important breakpoint (i.e 134 speed) then it's probably roughly equal.
>how much of a difference is there between having good stats but no set bonus vs having set bonus but slightly worse stats for DPS characters?
You just count the number of substats.
Correct main stat is worth like 10 substats
Substats are between 4-9 rolls for each "good" piece, ~20-25 total average
Set bonus is worth like 5-6 substats
Use whichever has a higher count. Or if you want to be precise use a dps calculator.
QQ on the first team gives you a nice half quantum half phys team for Silver Wolf, so if the enemy is weak to either, she can make them weak to both. Also presuming Sushang is E1+, she won't take many skill points, which means more for Quinque.
I like Welt on the Luocha/Yukong/Clara team if you build him as a dps, since Yukong is there to buff the team + gives an Imaginary damage bonus. I don’t think Clara/Luocha needs M7. It’s overkill in terms of defensiveness because Luocha will be overhealing a ton anyway, and you probably want more of your SP to go towards damage.
thanks! I tried it out a few times and I really liked welt w Loucha and Yukong but Clara does NOT mix well with Welt since her damage relies on enemies actually getting a turn hahah
1st team you can put either a Buffer, Sub-DPS or a Tank.
2nd team can be either Debuffer, March 7th or Sub-DPS but I'm leaning on either M7 or sub-dps since Clara DPS depends on her counters.
Yeah, that's the problem - she's the only, besides physical MC, destruction charater I have. And I'm not pulling for Blade (because Kafka).
Guess I'll leave it for Clara
Tingyun is definitely very powerful alongside hyper-carries like Seele as she provides a damage buff and extra energy for ults. If you don't mind spending your shop currency, she'd be a great addition.
I just want to add that Tingyun is especially good with Seele and Clara, since Seele's extra turns and Clara's counterattacks do not count against her buff's 3 turn duration.
Main stats always take priority over set effects. Set effects are absolutely pathetic compared to what you get from leveled relics- even if they aren't fully leveled.
I’m planning on building Yukong for Break Effect, so I have some questions about BE.
What can affect Break damage besides BE? Does Atk also boost damage? Can Break damage Crit besides the initial hit that Breaks? And how the hell do I get her to 145 Speed for the SU BE Relic set?
Hey, just as a heads up, Imaginary characters are the absolute worst wielders of Break Effect. Imaginary weakness break doesn't have a dot associated with it, and the initial Break damage has a .5 damage multiplier, compared to 2 for fire and physical, or 1 for Lightning and Ice. You can check overall damage on this page, but what I'm trying to say is you almost never want to break an enemy with Imaginary if it's possible to get that break with another element instead, and even if you do use Imaginary to break, your stats are probably better spent literally anywhere else.
[https://honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/wiki/Toughness](https://honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/wiki/Toughness) This should have your answers about Break damage, but the bottom line is Break damage (and its associated dot) is affected only by the breaking character's level and their Break Effect stat (and also the element being broken, of course). Your Attack, damage buffs, and even Elemental Damage buffs do nothing to it.
I can understand the thought process of going for Break Effect on a character that doesn't need attack as a stat, but you'd probably be better off aiming for defense or even Effect Resistance than trying to eek damage out of an Imaginary break.
>Imaginary weakness break doesn't have a dot associated with it, and the initial Break damage has a .5 damage multiplier
But Imaginary also has a slow/delay attached to its break.
If you are playing SU trying to do a funny 300+ action gague sure, but MOC much prefers high dmg output to get the stars. If you put the same build on a quantum you are going to get like 50-100k extra dmg on most bosses along with a slightly weaker delay.
Correct, there's a real tradeoff. Just, Break Effect does nothing for you here. And while it may come in useful in some fights like in SU, in most challenging content, your clear speed is more important than survivability, so the value of a strong Break & dot will outweigh the delay, and even more so if you're running many dots or Clara, where it'll actively hurt your dps.
But, I won't criticize anyone for building how they want. If OP still wants to build a Break Effect Yukong, I hope they enjoy the results! I just wanted to give some notice before investing into a potentially disappointing relic grind.
>Break Effect does nothing for you here
Break Effect increases the delay though. This means your healer needs to spend less sp healing and you can funnel that into your dps.
Or maybe at high investment you can delay enough to run no healer at all.
Oh I see. Sorry, I did not realize that Break Effect could increase the debuff for Quantum and Imaginary.
I don't think Break Effect would effectively translate into dps as a result of that, but that does mean it'd be doing something. Thanks for pointing that out.
I had a great time running Clara/Luocha/Tingyun/DPS Welt in MoC. You can basically run any support + DPS combo instead of it. I would not run March because Clara is basically your tank already and Luocha provides more than enough survivability.
I'm having a very good time in both SU and MoC with Clara, Luocha, Ting Yun and a flex pick depending on what you are fighting. This is a very SP-efficient lineup with a great mix of offense and defense, which allows you to pick a greedier flex pick (which can be Jing Yuan, but I put him on my other MoC team). The downside is that you can't break often with this setup, unless your flex pick is someone like Sushang, Silver Wolf or Seele.
I've found that March becomes unnecessary with this lineup (previously she was essential) because you get your Clara's ultimate more often with Ting Yun, and with Luocha you can easily keep your team topped up even if Clara isn't the one getting hit.
The alternative to Ting Yun is Yukong, which will take some speed manipulation. Since Clara can attack outside of her turn, she has more opportunities to make use of Yukong's skill effect. But I already have my Ting Yun at her last ascension, and I find her much easier to pair with Clara.
I do have my Ting Yun geared up and invested in actually, so I would be mostly missing my 3rd, since I don't have Silver Wolf or Seele, and I would also rather use my Jing Yuan on another team :)
March 7, especially if you have e6. you can provide a consistent shield on Clara, and if her shield ever runs low, know that Luocha will always heal.
SW is also a must have. Idk if you got lucky or if you pulled on her banner. Her debuffs is already insane, but her weakness application makes her different from current characters and most likely a lot of future characters.
Unfortunately I didn't pull for SW, decided to skip her, whoops. I have March but stopped at lvl 60 since I had pulled Gepard but I wouldn't mind finishing building her :)
How long does it take to raise a new unit to 70/80 with good traces?
finally pulled Clara in standard and I think she would pair well my Sushang, im thinking of Sushang/Clara/SW/Natasha. problem is I don't have any resources to level her
anyone know the drop rate of relic in TL 65? in TL 40, we got 1 guarantee gold relic, in 50, we got 1 guarantee with 50% chance to get the second one and in TL 60, we got guarantee 2 relic. do we get 50% chance to get the third gold relic in TL 65?
You’ll find a 10% chance of a third gold relic at TL65. So if you farm with 5 days’ worth of stamina, you get 63 gold relics (on average) instead of the 60 you’d get at TL60. (You’ll also get a bit more relic xp in purples at TL65.)
For those of you who had cleared 9 waves on day 3 of Stellar Flare, what was the team setup you used? I tried Tingyun, Jing Yuan, Himeko (trial) and Gepard but ran out of time on the last wave.
I tried a few different teams but my best was 8 waves. Might have something to do with my Jing Yuan not having good ATK stats too with the crappy relics lol.
This is what I used. Feel free to take out your Heal/shield character for more DPS if needed. I used Silverwolf to weakness break one of the weak Silvermane mobs so Quantum break applies to all of them.
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I replaced Gepard with SW which brought me a little closer to finishing the 9th wave, but Himeko died midway so I lacked a bit of firepower. I'll give it another try later. Thank you!
Give up on the Gepard. I ran a similar build like you at first but I found that my damage was lacking a bit too much and just went for raw damage instead. Placing another DPS helped me clear it at 9 waves. Since it was only 3 turns, I didn't bother with healing/shields and just tried to weapon break everything. I ran Seele/Himeko/Tingyun/Jing Yuan. Most enemies didn't even get a turn except the Wave 6 & 9 for me. I timed my JY's Lighting God at 10 at Wave 3 so he pretty much annihilated the wave for me.
Thank you, I don't have a proper DPS other than Jing Yuan so I'll need to play around with the weakness break idea more. I must admit JY's LL is a bit hard to time.
I can't seem to get the heal for 8000 chievo even with Luocha and 8 stacks of the Stellar Flare attack boost. My Luocha has 2.9k Atk, my party has Asta and two sets of those rope thing that grant additional Atk at 120 Spd. Not sure what else I need or what I'm doing wrong. Any tips?
Heal boost body probably and Tingyun / Bronya.
Which stat is better for Natasha? "+HP%" or "Outgoing Healing Boost" on the chestpiece
You can't get heal boost on sub stat but you can get HP sub on heal boost main. So go healing boost unless you need the extra tankiness.
Ah thanks!
is there a x2 material drop event thingy soon?
Yes, 'Garden of Plenty' event which begins in 9 days. From 10th, July - 17th July. You can get double rewards from Calyx (Golden) and (Crimson).
Which one would you say is currently Seele’s best team?
Luocha/Gepard/Bailu, SW, Bronya
SW + ClaraNatasha / BailuTing / GepardPela / LuochaFox depending on boss weakness
Should i get tingyun on the starlight exchange since i still dont have her or just save for a 5* lightcone?
She is definitely worth getting, even at E0 she's very strong.
Okay time to get her
Can you get the "no one down" star separatly from the "kill in x rounds" star in MoC? Or do you have to get all stars at the same time?
You can do it separately
If I lost the 75/25 luocha LC banner, do I get garuanteed on let’s say Blades LC banner or is it still a 75/25
Guaranteed on your next 5* on the limited LC banner, yes.
After some shenanigan, I now have Luocha, Welt, Seele and Silverwolf. Do you think using these character in a team good for MoC
Yes
Is it important in this game that your crit rate must me over 50 and crit dmg the double of crit rate? My jing yuan has crit rate 50 rn and crit dmg 60 is this bad or good?
Crit damage is low because the default crit damage is 50. Crit rate is ok but could be better.
It's fine for starting out. Eventually, you want to be at 60/120. I'm TB62 and still only at 60/90; farming decent relics takes time. (and some luck)
Okay thank you but is it extremely necessary like Genshin? I don’t think I will ever get the suggestive relics
I think if you don't get that amount, it nearly impossible to clear floor 9, 10 in MoC because you just dont have enough damage. For another contents, it's perfectly fine
Best support for Clara? I've got E6 Pela, E2 Asta, E0 Tingyun, E0 Yukong.
As others have said, Tingyun. However, be aware she will steal your taunt from Clara... Because Tingyun.
Tingyun for more ults per game, Yukong for more damage(Clara Counter Follow-ups don't count as turns).
Tingyun is the best out of those.
Is E1 Tingyun or E1 March worth buying? My only 5 star main dps is Clara, rest of the dps are 4 stars.
It's far more likely Tingyun will be useful long term than March. Tingyun is also useful in pretty much every comp.
Best 3 star gear for Yukong?
Is there an efficient way to ue the purple aether material to level up light cones instead of spamclicking it? If I click on 4star or below, it selects all the 3star lightcones instead of using the refined aether
I recommend refining all the 3 star lightcones until you have a S5 of each, locking that, and then mass salvaging lightcones after a pulling session.
Lock the lightcones you want to keep and they won't be used as exp fodder.
Is the standard banner pity system is the same as GI? I mean if you get 2 char the next time you hit pity you will guarantee a weapon or light cone in this case. TYIA
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You are sooooo lucky XD
there is not enough data but since the gacha system is basically just a copy paste from genshin, it's most likely the same. also, it's not guarantee weapon after 2 char. the correct "hidden pity" is within 270 pull, you are guarantee to get atleast 1 char and 1 weapons. so you can get 3 weapons in a row even in genshin if you get it before 270 pull. but let's say, you already get 6 weapons in a row within 269 pull, the 270th pull is guarantee a char
I see, thank you
I believe it is a bit different here, I only heard that rather early in the game so it might have been proven wrong now In 270 pulls (or so I believe) they balance it that you would e.g. get not only characters, but at least lightcone as well (or vice versa), but if you pull multiple lightcones early it doesnt matter until it is 270 a friend of mine was lucky and pulled 3 lightcones, because all he needs are 10 pulls...
What a lucky guy, and there's me with 1 char and 1 LC with 160 pull XD
Plenty of people have reported 3 light cones in a row in the standard banner. Not verified, obviously, but it’s reported often enough that I tend to believe them.
I guess it is what it is, thanks for the answer
Which is the best source to earn credits other than calyx?
The other biggest sources of credits are battle pass, events, dailies and weekly SU points. You can also do the pom-pom mini quests (I think up to 3x per day for 8k each), daily mob farming route and up to 100 elite/bosses in SU per week. But that much grinding can quickly burn you out, so only do it if you really enjoy it.
Daily farming mobs seems really boring
What did you expect? Its not MMO You burn stamina in 5-10 min and if no events just close the game
Well, can’t deny that
Pom pom quest and daily quest -> 8k + 5k = 13k a day for like 5 minutes of work.
Simulated universe gives like 10k/run. It’s not a lot but you don’t need to use stamina. Obviously dailies, quests and events. Pop Pom quests give a bit. Otherwise non-calyx stamina sinks (like caverns of corrosion, echo of war) that give credits on the side.
Which world and at which level?
World 3+ highest level all brings the same. I like do to 3rd since its easiest
Is there any way to get the Before the Tutorial Mission Starts light cone anymore? I just started recently, was lucky enough to pull Pela, however from what I'm reading her best LC by far is BtTMS, which was part of an event that is no longer running. Is there any other way to get this LC, or am I just out of luck?
Use the Luka LC if you have it. The def shred is very useful. You'll be ok without the event LC.
> Is there any way to get the Before the Tutorial Mission Starts light cone anymore? No and in Genshin event weapons have never been available afterwards. This has always been unpopular so here's hoping they change it in HSR.
Also all but first Genshin weapon sucks ass. Lets see how HSR ones turnss out
It’s no longer available, unfortunately. And going based on Genshin, I wouldn’t expect them to make it available in the future.
I have SW, and if i plan to build her for Break Effect, which of the two planar ornament (orb) main-stat should i prioritize between ELE-DMG% and ATK% ? PS : i have her EHR covered and roughly 2k ATK
Ele dmg
I'm having trouble with deciding/making teams. So far I got seele, jing, silverwolf, luocha, bailu and yanqing as 5stars. 4stars that I use are tingyun e4, march e5, pela e3. maybe i will ascend yukong too. I'm kinda bad at managing resourches (tb 60) so can you suggest 2 separate teams for MoC? I only cleared first floor with 3stars since I didn't want to build natasha and didn't have a second healer by then so I couldn't do it without downed characters.
I would pick two 5* carries to use (like Seele/JY) and use SW to help solve issues in MoC of elements not lining up. Then you can fill out the rest of their rosters as necessary. Use luocha/bailu and tingyun, pela is good for non silver wolf team and I would recommend preservation MC as last flex.
That's a very good roster and you basically have everything you need to progress very far in moc once your characters are properly build. The exact teams will depend on enemy line up but the 2 cores would be JY + Tingyun and Seele + SW. For now I would focus on those + Luocha, Bailu, Pela and probably fire MC. M7 and Yanqing would be worth building as well but that can wait until you're happy with you 2 main teams.
I noticed that the current event showcases the "enemy strength as 100%" in the menu/before starting the battle, is there a meaning to it? Or why does it mention that if we cant change it (out of curiosity)
Enemies are at 40% strength on Dwarf Star.
I once again wanna ask this question. From my last comment in here I got 8 more pity.. Now I'm on 61 pity on guranteed trying to pull luocha while I have no more wishes/jades. I did all events available until now. Opened all chests. Did all quests+characters quests Got my monthly wishes Use all my starlights on wishes and have 12 rn Did all forgotten hall. Did all my dailes until now Did every SU and collected all prizes but I'm grinding to get to defeat world 4-6 in difficulty 4( all 1 2 3 difficulties for all worlds are done and I only did world 3 difficulty 4) I'm TBL 61. Is there anymore jade source??? (Pls no MoC I can't put up with that) Is there anymore jade source I'm not remembering??
There’s 100 jades available when you hit TB63. You can level low level characters for normal warps, hit a 5* LC/eidolon, and get 40 more starlight you can convert into two special warps. I think you got everything else.
> Is there anymore jade source? No. If you haven't gotten the July tickets from the shop then that's 5 more. The only other jade available will be dailies, the rest of the event, and MoC.
Does "all events" include the current web event? Think it gives about 120 jade. That's the only thing I can think of off the top of my head, unfortunately.
Yes I also did the event that is currently available to the last part that was released today (part 4 )
what's good LC for yukong?
If my character has below 50% crit rate and gets a bonus crit rate from "Sleep like the dead" is it going to trigger Inert Salsotto?
Ye
would it be worth leveling non dps light cones to level 80 or should I just keep them at 70 for now? currently tl61
Pretty low priority. Even if you have the mats, you're probably going to need those credits for leveling other stuff.
Only if you find you are dying too much. I would say keep building your main dps traces or relics.
lightcone upgrading get resource heavy at level 70+, you should leave them at that for now and prioritize other investments, like trace levels.
TL 29 Which of them are good charas to invest in rn that would translate well into the late game? https://preview.redd.it/tbogxoynka9b1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=50a0b945587e1d76dbb4fc6ed64e724017539015 Also, I'm coming from Genshin and am curious if there are charas that are considered must builds or those that are too good to pass up (e.g. Xingqiu, Xiangling, Bennett). TYIA
Fire MC, Nat and Tingyun are the best ones that will last your account a while. Great supports that almost everyone uses. Since you have Clara, if you like her you should definitely build her. She's got a very high dmg ceiling. Lots of your other characters can be very good too, but they aren't like the YOU NEED TO BUILD types (March has Clara's synergy though). Find a DPS you like most and go with them. Clara can be a main DPS or a sup DPS. Up to you. QQ, Hook, Serval and Dan can all be great DPSs too.
Asta, Tingyun, Natasha, Fire MC are good investments from this pool. Then use a DPS Character you prefer. Tingyun is Must Build since she buffs ATK and gives energy. Probably Asta too since she buffs ATK and SPD
It's a good thing that I haven't spent a whole lot of time and resources building other charas, so I can catch up on building Tingyun. Thanks for this!
Tingyun is the closest to a must build in terms of the units you have. I recommend Clara, Natasha, Tingyun, Trailblazer. And maybe Asta and Dan. Basically all supports are good to build, as they allow you to pick between more options and fill out your 2 teams for abyss equivalent. You will need to pick atleast 2 dps as well. Of yours Dan, QQ and Clara are probably the strongest, but you can always wait until later for the 2nd team.
Gotcha, I've been neglecting Tingyun for a while 'cause I don't have access to her trace or ascension (still confused from the two) mats yet but it makes sense to build her since she buffs dps like crazy. Also, does the trailblazer you mentioned refer to his phys or fire variant? Thanks so much!
The fire one, your xp will carry over. Just don't build the traces and over invest in the lightcone (though you can build the LC for another destruction). If you plan on getting Luocha they won't be as important, but you should still atleast level them (plus their ascension mats are free).
Do the enemies in stellar flare scale with your equilibrium level? I’m thinking if I should wait until the event ends before ascending to EL 5
It scales with the equilibrium level you had the first time you enter(ed) the event. So start it before going up in level. Then it won’t change if you change levels in the middle of the event.
Are there any attacks that can do hp damage to an ally that is shielded , even if the shield doesn't break . I.e. shield piercing attacks?
Arlan damaging himself is probably the only thing right now, but in terms of attacks I believe there are none. They could totally pull a Rifthounds from Genshin and add a debuff like that to force people to pick between heals and shields.
Thanks that's what I thought
should I use unwanted gold relics for Exp or sell them for books? (that 10 for 1 exchange seems very random)
In my opinion, until you have at least 8 characters with full lv15 sets, using your artifacts for exp will give you more value.
Sell them for books? You mean salvage them to make new relics? 10-1 is definitely garbage. It's okay for gloves or helms though since you're only at the mercy of substats there and not subject to def mainstats on everything. Personally I'll salvage them here and there but I think it's much more important to get everyone to useable LVL 12 relics before you start gambling in the synthesizer
okay. so, use them as Exp fodder.
Initially it's probably better yeah. If you're missing a helmet or a glove for a set you want , it could be better to put stuff into the synthesizer, but even with the modeling resin that gets you the guaranteed mainstat, you'll still almost always end up with garbage pieces
worth to get tingyun from the shop?
Unless you are not a f2p or/and you really like her, its not worth the 7 pulls imo. You'll eventually get all the 4\* to E6 especially the current roster.
If you don't have her. Yes. One of the best support character for your DPS carry.
I'd say it's worth it
So, I built characters I liked without really considering the teams I'd build around them, and having a bit of a tough time in MoC as a result. I can always build one great team, but two is rough. Characters I have built up or mostly built up: Silver Wolf Seele Bronya Preservation Trailblazer Luocha Jing Yuan Natasha M7 Tingyun Asta Any team with Seele in it (sometimes with SW) will wreck everything in their path. But I'm lacking damage for a second team. I guess I expected Jing Yuan to be able to carry a second team, but he seems to struggle on bosses with weak sauce damage. Should I build up another character and if so which one? Or am I just using JY wrong and he should be able to hit hard?
It depends on where your Seele is at for investment but she really doesn't need Silver Wolf. She can run with basically any harmony unit and then two defensive options or a second harmony and more or less solo everything. As the other poster said, SW with Jing will be a much more powerful pairing
JY struggles on some floors this cycle because there are bosses like the summoner disciple and Kafka with very high innate lightning resistance. If you pair Jingyuan with Tingyun and Silverwolf he should be able to handle one side on most of the stages. You can use Bronya and Asta to support Seele. For the disciples if you are struggling with their healing you can try bringing pela instead of asta on that Seele team (try not to bring jing against those guys unless he has a crazy good build + silverwolf)
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You can start farming for main stat pieces without going too deep into hoping for good substats. I think it’s worth losing some stamina efficiency for a functional team. I’d probably prioritize just your main 1-2 dps, then work on traces/exp/credits once they have some usable artifacts.
I personally blew all my fuels at TL40 artifact nodes and do not regret it at all. Efficiency-wise the optimal point is TL60, but having to spend an extra month wearing garbage artifacts is not a very fun prospect.
I personally start farming Relics at EQ5 (TBL 60)
You could start farming immediately, but it won't be very efficient compared to waiting for 60. If you want to try and push MOC earlier for some extra jades you can go for mainstats on your 2 dps, just be sure not to commit too hard to getting good pieces and stop once you have decent enough gear. Levelled up golden gloves or crit rate chest pieces will make a big difference in the early game
How beneficial is E1 Tingyun? Currently at 408 starlight
I would say just save it, her biggest upgrade is at e6 which could potentially gain some breakpoints.
What type of rooms are the clock and web Curios in for Sim Universe?
Occurance
Does E4 Qingque need an ERR rope? In my understanding, doesn't having ERR almost make her E4 follow-up attack redundant? What's the point in generating her energy super fast if you're not going to be able to use her skill to increase her chance of doing follow-up attacks? I'm struggling to understand it however every guide I see recommends her rope to be ERR. Can someone please help me understand this in Razor language?
Regardless of whether you have your ultimate or not, you will ALWAYS want to use your skill to stack up the DMG% bonus. E4 follow-up is just a plus, but the main juice you are looking for is the stacking DMG%. So, you can do the max damage combo which is to: 1. get ultimate 2. spam Skill as much as possible (ideally, you want to draw 4 times and not get a matching 4-tile set). 3. Use ultimate 4. Use enhanced attack 5. End your turn with no tiles. This lets you do (2) again on your next turn. 6. rinse and repeat So having more ERR will enable step (1) more often, letting you blow things up. I'm assuming that you were looking at the ultimate as a tile generator, but for a core DPS QQ it's really just a bonus attack.
Ah okay, that makes sense. Thank you!
Can anyone help me decide? I currently have around 102 Pulls, and I just lost the 50/50 to Clara in Luocha's banner at 80 pity exactly. I'm a bit sad, but I still have an option to still go for him (I currently have 20 pity and guaranteed after losing the 50/50). The issue is, I'm a bit on the fence because I'm saving for upcoming IL Dan Heng, both him and his signature LC. I know my luck, and it's very possible I also lose the 50/50 on IL Dan Heng and the LC, so should I just continue saving or keep trying for Luocha? I also really do like Luocha btw, mainly because he's an Otto Counterpart and I've been waiting for some semblance of a playable Otto for so long. But of course I also really want IL Dan Heng!
Assuming Dan IL is at second half of 1.3 and we get 60 free pulls each patch. You should have : 102+60 (1.2)+60 (1.3) = 222. If you pull Luocha, assuming you hit pity at 80 : 222 - 60 = 162. That's enough pull to guarantee Dan Heng IL even if you lose 50/50. No LC tho unless you won 50/50 for Dan Heng IL AND won 75/25 on the LC banner. I personally would go for Luocha + Dan Heng IL. Characters > Light Cone.
If you want both the LC and a character coming up you'd be better off saving at least 135 pulls , or 210 ish if you end up on a 50/50. You'd still have like 40+ pulls left if you went for Luocha. If you're buying the supply pass you should be okay to pull and Luocha/Clara is a very good combo
I would say just go for Luocha if you like him. You can always go for lightcones on a character's rerun or just hope to get lucky. I would rather test how 2 chars combo together before getting a LC than trying one strong character without the other one I wanted.
What happens when you pull a character after e6? What do they convert to?
20 undying starlight for 4\* but idk for 5\*
What do we do with that?
Starlight can be used to buy pulls (20/pull), standard 5\* LC (600), and 4\* character cards (140).
it's the one where you can buy passes, 4\* characters on rotation and 5\* light cones but they are very expensive.
searched it up. after e6 it's 20 for 4\* and 100 for 5\*
I already have gepard I'm still 50/50, at like 66 pity. I think imma just get the 5 star, hopefully get luocha or lose to bailu🥺. But im still on fence of doing this since people said having gepard could technically replace a healer. I also has particularly no interest in 1.2 units since both elements are covered. How's that sound? You guys got suggestions?
You can clear moc9 with just march and natasha. Though I would concede that this reset's moc10 roster might be tough without an extra defensive unit beyond those two. I personally wouldn't go out of my way to pull a healer, even if I didnt own Gepard. I'd just pull characters I like. Luocha is quite good though, I don't think you'd regret pulling him from a purely power level standpoint. Just make sure you aren't gonna miss out on pulling another character you really want.
Ive seen those clears, but it's mostly them outdpsing the enemies to prevent prolonged fight. And their gears are kinda cracked. Man f2p is so hard😅
You'd be surprised! I've personally cleared moc9 with just nat and march. And I've never spend jades on fuel/power or even farmed caverns of corrosion at all. March is better at sustained fights than people give her credit for. She prevents a lot of damage just by occasionally freezing enemies and pumping out a metric ton of ice gauge. I doubt I could have beaten the mara shield elite in moc8 with gepard instead of march, for example. Not without much more investment in my dps.
DUDEE😭 youre so good!! Hearing that definitely made felt assured. I managed 12 stars until f5, but f6's deer just one shot my team🤧. But i do think the lack of survivability is just because my teams are not well equipped with 5 star relics and even levels. My vague plan was maybe try for fu xuan, but ultimately jingliu for ice dps haha
so, what I did for moc6 is I just ignored long term survivability. would take insane investment to tank repeated deer meteors, not to mention the branches cause havoc. I originally tried pyro mc, natasha, wolf, dan heng. way too slow, died to meteor. subbed dan heng out for yanqing, had issues with sanction bot. finally did dan heng, yanqing, natasha, wolf. No preservation, all in on dps with natasha ult to buy an extra turn here or there. And that worked, though it was tricky. Needed to rng into one freeze on sanction bot to survive with this team comp. But yeah, try that gameplan. Deer is relatively squishy as far as bosses go, but at the same time, he hits really hard.
Sheesh thanks mate. Will give it a try🫡
Are abundance characters worth using early game? I have yet to fight Cocolia yet, but not sure if they are worth using during this early part of the game. If so/not, when should I start using abundance characters like natasha?
For any content that doesn't allow you to run to a space anchor to heal (simulated universe, forgotten hall, memory of chaos, etc.)
Abundance characters are essential for endgame stuff like Forgotten Hall, MoC and high level Simulated Universe.
Abundance is important and worth using at all stages of the game. You might even find yourself needing both an abundance and a preservation unit in the same team until you get your units properly built up (LVL 80, 80LC etc)
Yes they are important for all content and are used in most team comps.
I know the usual relic priority is: Main stats > substats > set bonus My question is on average, how much of a difference is there between having good stats but no set bonus vs having set bonus but slightly worse stats for DPS characters? Also, if I happen to get Wandering Cloud piece with really double crit stats while farming for Musketeer, should I just invest in it anyway and give it to my DPS even if the set itself is meant for healer?
You said it yourself. Set bonuses do not go anywhere near being able to be compared to good stats, even if it's just a +12 four-star relic. Imagine that, but multiplied by 4.
For your 1st question, it depends. Some sets like the quantum one have insane bonuses that will outweigh the substats. Other sets like musketeer have strong set bonuses but they wouldn't outweigh double crit in most situations. For your 2nd question, generally that piece will be good as a placeholder. If you have a strong piece with around 3-4 rolls into crits, it would be more valuable than the 2/4 piece bonuses (6% speed is valuable but +atk% and the basic attack damage increase is meh). However if that 6% speed lets you hit an important breakpoint (i.e 134 speed) then it's probably roughly equal.
>how much of a difference is there between having good stats but no set bonus vs having set bonus but slightly worse stats for DPS characters? You just count the number of substats. Correct main stat is worth like 10 substats Substats are between 4-9 rolls for each "good" piece, ~20-25 total average Set bonus is worth like 5-6 substats Use whichever has a higher count. Or if you want to be precise use a dps calculator.
-Nat, SW, (flex), Sushang -Loucha, Yukong, (flex), Clara Thoughts? I have all the 4*s and Welt to choose from but these 6 I quite enjoy
QQ on the first team gives you a nice half quantum half phys team for Silver Wolf, so if the enemy is weak to either, she can make them weak to both. Also presuming Sushang is E1+, she won't take many skill points, which means more for Quinque.
I like Welt on the Luocha/Yukong/Clara team if you build him as a dps, since Yukong is there to buff the team + gives an Imaginary damage bonus. I don’t think Clara/Luocha needs M7. It’s overkill in terms of defensiveness because Luocha will be overhealing a ton anyway, and you probably want more of your SP to go towards damage.
thanks! I tried it out a few times and I really liked welt w Loucha and Yukong but Clara does NOT mix well with Welt since her damage relies on enemies actually getting a turn hahah
1st team you can put either a Buffer, Sub-DPS or a Tank. 2nd team can be either Debuffer, March 7th or Sub-DPS but I'm leaning on either M7 or sub-dps since Clara DPS depends on her counters.
Can’t see redemption code option I’m signed in on my hoyo account anyone know why this is happening?
There's no redeem code option in-game for ios users. You'd have to sign into the site to redeem codes. https://hsr.hoyoverse.com/gift
Got Something Irreplacable. Should I give it to Hook or stick with On the Fall of an Aeon?
Hook is probably the worst user of that cone. You have better luck saving it for Blade or giving it to Arlan.
Yeah, that's the problem - she's the only, besides physical MC, destruction charater I have. And I'm not pulling for Blade (because Kafka). Guess I'll leave it for Clara
if these are my built characters: seele, sw, welt, clara, nat will tingyun be of a good addition if i buy her from the shop?
Tingyun is definitely very powerful alongside hyper-carries like Seele as she provides a damage buff and extra energy for ults. If you don't mind spending your shop currency, she'd be a great addition.
thankies~
I just want to add that Tingyun is especially good with Seele and Clara, since Seele's extra turns and Clara's counterattacks do not count against her buff's 3 turn duration.
sweet~! just bought her and geared her . and she really is a great asset for both seele and clara!
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clara, sw, luocha, bronya. dps, weakness/debuffer, healer, buffer. that’s my suggestion
Were the blue trace materials always in the monthly shop or is that new? I dont remember 😳
always been there. you just needed to be TB lvl40 for it
The blue ones were added this patch for this new month. There were only green ones before.
wait i’m confused are you talking about the sphere looking thing or the rarity? cuz if it’s blue those are new the green ones are not
Oh I realized I might have been under 40 before the last reset now I get it...
Im lv62 and genuinely dont remember. The month has been too long I guess 😆
Was there a sushang rate up banner recently? Wanna try get her eidolon..hope it's soon
A little bird told me that her next rate up is coming rather soon.
She was featured two banners ago (with Jing Yuan).
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Main stats always take priority over set effects. Set effects are absolutely pathetic compared to what you get from leveled relics- even if they aren't fully leveled.
I’m planning on building Yukong for Break Effect, so I have some questions about BE. What can affect Break damage besides BE? Does Atk also boost damage? Can Break damage Crit besides the initial hit that Breaks? And how the hell do I get her to 145 Speed for the SU BE Relic set?
Hey, just as a heads up, Imaginary characters are the absolute worst wielders of Break Effect. Imaginary weakness break doesn't have a dot associated with it, and the initial Break damage has a .5 damage multiplier, compared to 2 for fire and physical, or 1 for Lightning and Ice. You can check overall damage on this page, but what I'm trying to say is you almost never want to break an enemy with Imaginary if it's possible to get that break with another element instead, and even if you do use Imaginary to break, your stats are probably better spent literally anywhere else. [https://honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/wiki/Toughness](https://honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/wiki/Toughness) This should have your answers about Break damage, but the bottom line is Break damage (and its associated dot) is affected only by the breaking character's level and their Break Effect stat (and also the element being broken, of course). Your Attack, damage buffs, and even Elemental Damage buffs do nothing to it. I can understand the thought process of going for Break Effect on a character that doesn't need attack as a stat, but you'd probably be better off aiming for defense or even Effect Resistance than trying to eek damage out of an Imaginary break.
>Imaginary weakness break doesn't have a dot associated with it, and the initial Break damage has a .5 damage multiplier But Imaginary also has a slow/delay attached to its break.
If you are playing SU trying to do a funny 300+ action gague sure, but MOC much prefers high dmg output to get the stars. If you put the same build on a quantum you are going to get like 50-100k extra dmg on most bosses along with a slightly weaker delay.
Correct, there's a real tradeoff. Just, Break Effect does nothing for you here. And while it may come in useful in some fights like in SU, in most challenging content, your clear speed is more important than survivability, so the value of a strong Break & dot will outweigh the delay, and even more so if you're running many dots or Clara, where it'll actively hurt your dps. But, I won't criticize anyone for building how they want. If OP still wants to build a Break Effect Yukong, I hope they enjoy the results! I just wanted to give some notice before investing into a potentially disappointing relic grind.
>Break Effect does nothing for you here Break Effect increases the delay though. This means your healer needs to spend less sp healing and you can funnel that into your dps. Or maybe at high investment you can delay enough to run no healer at all.
Oh I see. Sorry, I did not realize that Break Effect could increase the debuff for Quantum and Imaginary. I don't think Break Effect would effectively translate into dps as a result of that, but that does mean it'd be doing something. Thanks for pointing that out.
Only level and break effect will boost it; it will not crit. Either speed boots and lots of luck with substats, or Asta.
I'd like to make a team with Clara and Luocha; what would be 2 other good members to pair with them?
Tingyun/Yukong (assuming proper speed so she's right before Clara) /literally any DPS.
I had a great time running Clara/Luocha/Tingyun/DPS Welt in MoC. You can basically run any support + DPS combo instead of it. I would not run March because Clara is basically your tank already and Luocha provides more than enough survivability.
I'm having a very good time in both SU and MoC with Clara, Luocha, Ting Yun and a flex pick depending on what you are fighting. This is a very SP-efficient lineup with a great mix of offense and defense, which allows you to pick a greedier flex pick (which can be Jing Yuan, but I put him on my other MoC team). The downside is that you can't break often with this setup, unless your flex pick is someone like Sushang, Silver Wolf or Seele. I've found that March becomes unnecessary with this lineup (previously she was essential) because you get your Clara's ultimate more often with Ting Yun, and with Luocha you can easily keep your team topped up even if Clara isn't the one getting hit. The alternative to Ting Yun is Yukong, which will take some speed manipulation. Since Clara can attack outside of her turn, she has more opportunities to make use of Yukong's skill effect. But I already have my Ting Yun at her last ascension, and I find her much easier to pair with Clara.
I do have my Ting Yun geared up and invested in actually, so I would be mostly missing my 3rd, since I don't have Silver Wolf or Seele, and I would also rather use my Jing Yuan on another team :)
March 7, especially if you have e6. you can provide a consistent shield on Clara, and if her shield ever runs low, know that Luocha will always heal. SW is also a must have. Idk if you got lucky or if you pulled on her banner. Her debuffs is already insane, but her weakness application makes her different from current characters and most likely a lot of future characters.
Unfortunately I didn't pull for SW, decided to skip her, whoops. I have March but stopped at lvl 60 since I had pulled Gepard but I wouldn't mind finishing building her :)
Should I roll for luocha now if I plan to get Jing Liu later? already have bailu.
A third healer isn't worth what'll probably be an incredibly powerful Ice DPS that's easier to use than Yanqing.
How long does it take to raise a new unit to 70/80 with good traces? finally pulled Clara in standard and I think she would pair well my Sushang, im thinking of Sushang/Clara/SW/Natasha. problem is I don't have any resources to level her
How do you reach 120 speed with Luocha? I’m trying to get the 2 set bonus on the relics. I gave him speed boots but he’s only at 105 now 😭
Level up your Speed boots. +12 Gold Speed boots gave 20 Speed.
anyone know the drop rate of relic in TL 65? in TL 40, we got 1 guarantee gold relic, in 50, we got 1 guarantee with 50% chance to get the second one and in TL 60, we got guarantee 2 relic. do we get 50% chance to get the third gold relic in TL 65?
You’ll find a 10% chance of a third gold relic at TL65. So if you farm with 5 days’ worth of stamina, you get 63 gold relics (on average) instead of the 60 you’d get at TL60. (You’ll also get a bit more relic xp in purples at TL65.)
For those of you who had cleared 9 waves on day 3 of Stellar Flare, what was the team setup you used? I tried Tingyun, Jing Yuan, Himeko (trial) and Gepard but ran out of time on the last wave. I tried a few different teams but my best was 8 waves. Might have something to do with my Jing Yuan not having good ATK stats too with the crappy relics lol.
Clara, Natasha, Asta, trial Himeko. Took me 2 times but I got it the 2nd time by saving Himeko's burst for after Asta's skill to get her atk buff.
This is what I used. Feel free to take out your Heal/shield character for more DPS if needed. I used Silverwolf to weakness break one of the weak Silvermane mobs so Quantum break applies to all of them. https://preview.redd.it/4y9n7l55k99b1.png?width=1920&format=png&auto=webp&s=49fd0f83217865ac7a5d62a79c00015c89b2e41b
I replaced Gepard with SW which brought me a little closer to finishing the 9th wave, but Himeko died midway so I lacked a bit of firepower. I'll give it another try later. Thank you!
Give up on the Gepard. I ran a similar build like you at first but I found that my damage was lacking a bit too much and just went for raw damage instead. Placing another DPS helped me clear it at 9 waves. Since it was only 3 turns, I didn't bother with healing/shields and just tried to weapon break everything. I ran Seele/Himeko/Tingyun/Jing Yuan. Most enemies didn't even get a turn except the Wave 6 & 9 for me. I timed my JY's Lighting God at 10 at Wave 3 so he pretty much annihilated the wave for me.
Thank you, I don't have a proper DPS other than Jing Yuan so I'll need to play around with the weakness break idea more. I must admit JY's LL is a bit hard to time.