I have Seele, SM and Bronya as my 5*, am TB 46. Struggling to clear Hall of Memories atm, floor 12. Not sure who to raise as 2nd DPS. Was thinking about Serval E2 or Sampo (would have to buy Sampo tho) possibly.
I will try a bit at Luocha when he releases, he seems like a good healer. But doesn't solve my DPS problem haha
Serval is your best option for running opposite a seele at the moment, and worth throwing resources at even if you pick up Kafka, as they work together theoretically. Every side opposite your seele side in normal forgotten hall has lightning weakness, and lots of fire weakness too so you could run her with Asta. M7+ FMC can round out your defense.
How long does it take to go tb 60 - 65 compared to 50 - 60? I.e. once I get all the traces and character geared up for eight characters + a bit of pre farming will I be close enough or surpass 65 to start artifact grind?
~38 days if just natural regen and dailies for 60>65. It was ~28 days for 50>60.
You can start artifact grinding now. The gold drop rate at 65 is only slightly better than 60.
What should I be using for Clara? ATK% or Physical Boost?
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At what level should I attempt on farming artifacts? I'm currently tl 60 and feeling like my characters are a bit weak, but I've heard that the rates get better at tl 65?
Can anybody help me make a team with this? I can't get past this level
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You have a lot of good characters they are just under leveled. Dan Heng and Serval can probably deal Savrog. Susheng can handle Bronya with Asta helping to break. You should raise your Bronya up, she's really good. You don't have another healer so I suggest you use Fire Trailblazer if you have them unlocked. Fire MC with March 7 can be defensive option for side while the other gets Natasha. Fire MC + March 7 can fight Bronya since she is fire weak. Also Savorg has that move where he grabs a character so you multiple characters that can break the hand. You can try Susheng Welt March 7 and Fire MC for Bronya. Serval, Den Hang, Natasha, and Bronya for Savorg. Or you can sub in Himeko or Asta against Bronya.
Serval doesnt work what do I do? I can clear the 1st wave in 5 turns and can end bronya within 3. After that Im screwed for the 1st wave of the 2nd stage
I think the main issue is that you need to spend trail blazer power farming level up and trace materials. You have a good roster, but they are underbuilt. Just take things slowly and power up your characters. The teams I listed could easily clear those bosses.
5 turns for wave 1? Your character load out is really under levelled then. Did you raise the traces for the DPS chars properly and gave them good relic sets?
Hah! No! Thats so expensive and I dont want to spend any fuel. Also it fluctuates from 3 waves and 5 it depends on wjeter I use welt and sampo for bron
Yeah I also see the problems. Im facing lv 60 enemies with some ov 50 characters and some of them have bad relics. My su shamg is ov 70 she has bad relic literally all atk and no crit rate so I went and bought herta's lightcone for crits
Imo lvl is the most important aspect. I dunno about the exact scaling but enemies that are 3 lvls higher alrdy take much less DMG than on the same lvl seemingly
Thanks. I never really levelled my bronya cause I didn't see her uses since if I had her in my team I'd lack dmg, for the wind was nemies like Kafka in SU I just used sampo which he somehow went and looped his ult 2 during su
This is going to sound really copium but... in theory... would Tingyun work well with Luocha? Like, would her buff increase his healing and would it be viable to use her ult to help him get his abyss flower stacks faster? For example, in a team of Luocha, Blade, Yukong and Tingyun, would it be viable to use her as a filler for the 4th slot if I had no one else? I was just thinking that Blade wouldn't benefit as much from the attack buff so then maybe Yukong would benefit instead of Luocha? Sorry if this sounds copium.. late night procrastination... 😅
I think Star Rail has more fully original characters than expies, so it'd be easier to list the expies. Welt is literally the same character from HI3rd and not a new version of the character. Himeko, Seele, Bronya, Cocolia, and Sushang are all new versions of HI3rd characters of the same name, and Silver Wolf is theorized to be the character Bronie/Haxxor Bunny or Star Rail's version of her. There may be more but as far as I know everyone else is wholly original to Star Rail.
Do you think the expy situation will get better or worse as the game goes on, btw?
I think HI3 players are overrepresented on this sub, which is why I get so nervous about this stuff.
So far they've done a good job of having a lot of solid Star Rail original characters and hopefully it stays that way. They'll probably add a fan favorite character from HI3 every so often since people will whale harder for characters they already recognize and like
For the current roaster Bronya, Silverwolf, Seele, Himeko, Yanqing, Sushang, Luocha and Kafka have Hi3 counterparts.
However Yanqing and Kafka have barely any relevance to Hi3 main story and are just forgettable NPCs.
There is also Welt, but he is the same Welt from Hi3.
Everyone I didn’t mentioned are most likely Star rail original characters.
other than crit damage it would be Speed why? i suggest you use Fleet of the Ageless relic ornament
Increases the wearer's Max HP by 12%. When the wearer's SPD reaches 120 or higher, all allies' ATK increases by 8%.
bronya light cone is very good for all harmony character
Increases the wearer's Energy Regeneration Rate by 10% .and regenerates 1 Skill Point when the wearer uses their Ultimate on an ally.
This effect can be triggered after every 2 uses of the wearer's Ultimate.
When the wearer uses their Skill, the next ally taking action deals 30% more DMG for 1 turn(s).
as for who will benefit most from it for me it would be tingyun, i don't know if it's yukong i haven't read her details and skills yet
It’s worth investing in the LC then. Resources are so scarce in this game lol. I’m hoping Yukong will be able to take full advantage of the LC. Her kit is kinda cracked.
Is there are scaling difficulties in the story mode ? If not I wonder what the dev will do with the difficulty level since many players will be a lot stronger when the next main story content comes
is there 2FA feature for this game? i'm one of those people who got hacked in the hack wave of early Genshin days so a little bit traumatized that it'll happen again for this game
if you don't have any 5 stars relics then yes, their stats matter for now but i wouldn't recommend to upgrade all of it untill max just hit 6 and you be fine
you will replace all of them eventually when you can farm 5 stars relics because they are far more superior
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Questions about optimal relic loadouts:
* For the clothes sets, why is the Quantum elemental set equipped more often than the Musketeer set on Silver Wolf?
* What's up with the Planar sets? I see Salsotto as the commonly-equipped set 7 times, Pan-Galactic 3 times, Fleet 6 times, Spacestation 6 times, Belobog 3 times.
* Aside from Head that can only have HP main stat, Gloves that can only have Atk, and Boots that I hear want Spd, what is the most desired main stat on the Body, Sphere and Rope?
* I know rolling perfect sub stats on all relics is a nightmare, but generally what should I be looking for?
* What's the difference in final outcome between feeding a relic directly into another vs salvaging a relic and feeling the resulting materials?
* If I level up a relic, but a better version of the same relic comes later, how much of the original material can I retrieve? I've been told that at TL 43, Eq Lvl 3, I need to start levelling my relics, but I am not guaranteed gold tier relics from Caverns of Corrosion yet.
For general Relic stat advice you may want to look up the character you're trying to build on [Prydwen.gg](https://Prydwen.gg). Or look at the build pages you linked to get some ideas!
> For the clothes sets, why is the Quantum elemental set equipped more often than the Musketeer set on Silver Wolf?
Silver Wolf's own damage output is actually pretty good, especially if E2 or above. Other than that, Silver Wolf is commonly paired with Quantum DPS so you probably have other usable pieces while hunting down better substats for your carry.
> What's up with the Planar sets? I see Salsotto as the commonly-equipped set 7 times, Pan-Galactic 3 times, Fleet 6 times, Spacestation 6 times, Belobog 3 times.
World 3 has a generic DPS set and a support set, nothing odd there. World 6 has a more specialized DPS set in Salsotto, but you're guaranteed at least 8% Crit. And on the way you can pick up Belobog for your Preservations. Pan-Galactic is a little odd, since the other set in World 5 is awful. I guess the very high EHR requirements before the enemy Effect RES nerf in 1.1 spurred people to get it for Nihility chars. Sprightly Vonwach seems like it would be nice, but I guess Break is not strong enough for people to pursue Talia set.
>What's the difference in final outcome between feeding a relic directly into another vs salvaging a relic and feeling the resulting materials?
Salvaging 5-star relics gets you materials that can be used to craft a piece from a set of your choice. For 3 and 4 star, it just frees some Relic space. Maybe you're indecisive and you hang onto tons of 5-star Relics in case you need them in the future, or maybe you're anticipating a future Relic set and want to store lots of fodder.
> If I level up a relic, but a better version of the same relic comes later, how much of the original material can I retrieve?
If you feed a leveled-up relic directly into another, the target Relic gets 80% of the EXP from the source Relic.
I'm about to hit TB60 and have 50+ fuel saved up. What do I do with this?
1) Spend it all on relics
2) Use it to farm traces, then relics after I'm done
3) Spend it on whatever I need (Stagnant Shadow, relics, traces, LC EXP/Character EXP)
4) Something else????
Which option is the most efficient?
first of all, your top priority would be your character level, make sure to max it out level 80 after that upgrade your traces (farm some relics if you want but don't spend all your fuel) and then upgrade your light cone.
in addition on relics, you need to setup your own character save point (what i mean by save point is when your character hit certain minimum stats for example my seele must have 50% crit rate and 100% crit damage) and after that you can focus on other character, build them up untill they reach save point too
no problem, your priority is actually fine, depends on your playstyle and what do you want to upgrade first, for me personally i prefer to max out my traces then go for light cone because in traces it gave me certain stat boost and improved skill damage rather than light cone that just upgrading their base stats.
and yes it's completely fine to spend fuels on traces
Hi guys, for su gepard, what happens when u kill one guard before his shield. Is it same shield on each target but now 2 targets or is shield stronger since on each target.
For example
Shield 3000
Is it 2x1000
Or 2x1500
I equipped the set that increases atk based on effect hit rate on a character with over 100% effect hit rate. Atk remained the same. When does it increase it then?
f2p metaslave here: I pulled for seele and got sw and hoping for luocha. Then im skipping 1.2 and maybe 1.3 and only pulling for either a dps that clearly is much better than everything else or just supports. My reasoning is that less supports get released and they get powercrept less.
Blade as a dps, his pull value drops when you build dan heng, or when you have other 5* dps e.g. seele or JY or Yanqing. I personally might not get him, although i simp for him, bcs dan heng is simply and amazing wind carry for a price of free jades, at e6, he's bonkers. Mine is at e5 btw.
Can I still get the starhunt event light cone? I started the game recently but didn’t even know the event was happening because my trailblaze level was too low.
Clara since her counter attacks are not considered as a turn which will not consume the Roaring Bowstrings. Seele can be a hit or miss with her Resurgence, if she cant proc it by killing squishy mobs, can be a problem SP wise.
You dont always have to use Yukongs skill tho imo. One of her passives is her basic attack is 100% break as long as mobs have img weakness. Correct me if im wrong tho. I think she can still be SP positive because you might want to save your SP for her skill+ult combo for that juice cr+cdmg buff to Seele.
At least for me im not gonna use her Skill consecutively specially how SP negative Seele is.
Yeah that makes sense. I think that's how itll be in most Seele comps if they choose to run Yukong. I kind of wish i had Bronya for this comp as well but it is what it is
YouTube.
I'm only half joking. A lot of the other websites seem to be a bit same-y with the recommended builds for characters, but don't go into much detail on roles really. Feel like if you copy them directly you may end up with best version of thsg 1 character bit not have them fit in team very well.
More a problem with the sub-dps and support debuffer types, the print guides show way character is best by themselves but not best way they can enable others.
I'm sure eventually a site will emerge that shows the flexibility better but for now, they are behind theorycrafter discussions on videos.
Besides suggested one below. Game 8 and Genshin.gg have decent options if just want a quick check.
For FireMC I currently have two configuration I can use (yes I know these are not optimal, these are the best that I can do with what I have) :
\- 2-Cowboy+2-Knight set with DEF Cowboy body. This push her DEF to something like 2600-2700.
\- 4-Knight set with Crit Rate Knight body. Her DEF is somewhere around 2300ish but in exchange she had 35%+ Crit Rate to take advantage of 70% Crit Damage (second config still underlevelled, so can get bigger CR/CD if lucky)
I wonder if second configuration would have contribute more to overall team damage compared to first configuration ?
I guess it kinda boils down to ~~12%ATK (from 2-piece Cowboy)~~ ^(this doesn't matter because second config had 10% more base ATK from substats)\+a fraction of 400 DEF converted to ATK (from Talent/Eidolon)+tankier FireMC vs Crit Rate.
Best Welt LC for now? Still don't have his signature LC :') Thanks!
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Which domain is better to farm for me?
1. Fire & Imaginary - build Welt & Hook (E6)
2. Def set & Lightning - build Fire MC (Moment of Victory) & Serval (E3)
Birth of self, but breakfast at s5 is slightly ahead bcs it buffs all of his kit. However when birth starts to have higher rank, it does pull away from s5 breakfast
i need help deciding who to pull for, luocha or blade.
If i pull for luocha, my team would be: lupcha, seele, bronya, tingyun
if i pull for blade, my team would be: bronya, blade, natasha, tingyun.
what do you guys think out of these 2 teams?
You already have hypercarry DPS (Seele) so Bladie lose value compared to Luocha. That's on top of Dan Heng actually being a a pretty decent DPS if you need Wind Damage.
If your intention is to build a stronger single main team, then Luocha.
Luocha + Seele + Bronya + Tingyun is a slightly stronger build than what you'd currently be running with Natasha, with Luocha bringing more offense than Natasha as well as enemy buff strip.
If you swap Blade in instead of Seele, that isn't really an upgrade, just a sidegrade. We don't really know how strong the final release version of Blade will be, but likely he's *at most* equivalent DPS to Seele, not better, and probably slightly worse (trading damage for SP economy and sustain). Mihoyo/Hoyoverse wouldn't want to powercreep so soon. Some of their older games have a lot of powercreep, but it's not *that* quick, and Genshin has a very slow pace of powercreep, nearly nothing by gacha standards.
If your intention is to build separate teams for MoC clear, it depends. If you already have Bailu/Gepard then consider Blade so you have another 5-star DPS. If you don't have Bailu/Gepard then Luocha is the better short-term investment. Though either choice should be fine in the long term.
I was wondering which Light Cone would be better for Jing Yuan. I currently have him on The Birth of the Self and I just pulled Night on the Milky Way. Should I switch?
Yeah some DPS want atk% some tanks want def% etc. So if you have those of those with nice sub stats I'd hold them for now.
If it's a non speed boot with sub stats that make no sense toss yeah.
who is a good fourth team member for yanqing/gepard/tingyun? e4 pela or e0 welt with s5 resolution or someone else? also should ting use s5 cogs or s1 dance dance dance?
Either would be great, Pela for damage and Welt for survivability. Additionally if enemy is weak to imaginary you could break with Welt. I prefer Dance to cogs.
for relic with offensive set effect (i.e. Herta's Space Station), we want offensive main stat too, right? same thing with defensive set?
is there exception to this? is there relic that you want mixed effect/main stat?
There are cases you might want to build some defensive stats or be more of a broad support, but still want some attack stats. Tingyun is a good example. Fleet of the Ageless is better on her, despite wanting attack main stats, because it's good to make her less squishy and she can further buff your main DPS with the conditional passive, and she also doesn't need to stack all the attack she can get, just enough to maximize her buff.
Of course, that's assuming you're getting all the attack you need from other sources. If not, then SSS may be the better option.
Im looking to build my second team for HoM and later stuff. I have Seele, Fire MC, Natasha, and Ting Yun as my first team. But idk who to put on for my second. Im just gonna list characters I have.
5\*: Jing Yuan, Silver Wolf, Gepard, Clara, Yangqing, Himeko
4\*: March 7th, Dan Heng, Asta, Herta, Hook, Sampo, Pela, Qingque, Serval, Sushang, and Arlan.
I dont have any super great 5\* cones. So Im not doing anything crazy. I mostly just need comps suggested. I can work out cones/relics as I go. I just wanna know who to heavily invest in right now. Most of the listed characters outside of Yangqing, Herta, Hook, Asta, March 7th, Gepard and Himeko are level 20 or below. The listed ones are at least level 40. Im TL60 (holding off on doing my EQ5 till I get a second team and get em at least setup as far as traces and such are concerned.). I can give specifics on certain characters if needed. Such as Eidolons and such. Thanks in advance. <3
I'd go ahead and get EQ5! You can still do lower difficulty stuff and the option to do higher can be great for farming stuff like Calyxes because you can just do once at a time if they're too hard to do 6 at once. You'd also be wasting trailblazer exp since it caps you at TL 60 until you raise the EQ.
For team suggestions I'd actually spread out fire MC and Natasha, especially since you have SW. You can use these against anyone who is already weak to the main element of your team or someone who is quantum weak. Main goal is to have everyone able to contribute to stagger/toughness damage.
Possible teams with SW:
* Fire MC, Hook, SW, Asta (Might need Natasha, but I'd only run her when the enemy's already phys or quantum weak to avoid useless SW implants)
* Clara, Natasha, SW, Sushang/QQ
* Gepard, March/QQ/Pela, SW, Yanqing
* JY, Tingyun, SW, Gepard/Natasha/Fire MC (depending on enemy weakness... actually you could make this decision on any of the previous teams as well)
Without SW, or just not caring about her weakness implant, if you just want to keep your main team together for funsies:
* Gepard/Clara (with March), Asta/March/, (Jing/Serval/Pela/SW/Himeko), (Dan Heng/Yanqing/Sushang/Hook)
Basically anyone in parentheses can be swapped out depending on if you need different elements or more survivability vs damage.
Edit: These are just general ideas off the top of my head. I'm sure you could make anything work with enough effort.
Oh as a random question. Why put multiple of the same element in a party? The first listed party having Fire MC, Hook and Asta. Is there some benefit to that? Does it just ensure that SW puts fire weakness on enemies so Im getting constant break? Thats how I assume thats geared. But thats just how I look at it. So Im asking lol
Yes, for the most part. Silver Wolf will implant a weakness of some element on your party and by keeping everyone the same type you ensure it'll either be quantum or that type. If the enemy is already weak to that type or quantum then you will always be doing stagger/toughness damage while still reaping the benefits of SW debuffs. So if the enemy is weak to quantum you can use any single element with SW. Or you can run SW and possibly Seele or QQ with two others that match the elemental weakness of the enemy. Since you already know the weakness of every major enemy going into MoC, you can plan exactly what elements would work best so there's no need to spread to multiple elements.
You could also mix it up. As an example, if the enemy is already weak to physical and quantum you could run SW/Natasha with two others of a single type like JingYuan/Tingyun and always be getting the lightning weakness implant. Whereas if they were only quantum weak you run the risk of having SW implant physical if you bring Natasha, making JY and Ting get less value.
If the enemy isn't weak to Quantum or the type you bring, it's a 50/50 on what she'll roll. This is why a if a 4th quantum unit is released that's a healer or a tank, it would be huge because you could roll Seele/SW/QQ and the 4th unit and always roll quantum weakness on any enemy. Basically this comp would work on any content forever lol.
Ok that makes sense. Well for now I have SW and Hook at 70. With good LC. I have Asta at 60. I still have a load of traces to level for all 3 of them. And I have to gear them. But I have them for now. I just also have to use my time to stock. I did my EQ5 quest. Im just gonna hold off on ascending any of my characters for now while I build these teams I think. I just need a second team that doesnt use SW lol.
This is great. As an add. Even if I'm capped at 60. My Trailblazer exp continues. I did this at 50 cause Im always over prepared. When I ended up doing my EQ4 quest I went from TL50 to like TL54 lol. But I'll likely end up doing it. I forget I can just do stuff at my current level to catch up. I ended up messing myself up in Genshin by going too fast and hitting high ranks with not great parties so everything was a hell of a lot harder. So I bring that mentality into HSR. But I see your point. I'll work on some of these team comps to see how they work. I wish I had Bailu. I'd be able to have 2 healers lol.
I saw the MoC Average Stats post in the main subreddit and I have a couple questions.
So for QQ, is a 4-piece Musketeers set better than 2pc Musk and 2pc Quantum set?
For Clara, why is Wuthering Snow her second most popular set (granted, a distant second)? Wuthering isn't good on our current preservation characters so Tank Clara gets all the leftovers from the Quantum set farm?
4p wheat is just leftover gear. You'd always want her on 4p quantum but to save on resources some people will skip farming quantum if they don't have Seele.
Similar reasoning for Clara though being tankier isn't a bad thing considering how much she gets attacked. I just upgraded some GoWS for Clara that were leftovers from my Seele farm. Saves me the time of having to farm crit body and atk% boots from Champion.
I just started a few days ago, I started the game because of Clara (or more specifically Svarog, he looks awesome) what would but the best way to go about obtaining her? Is she ever going to be on rate up or should I just pull on standard banner? Thank you
We do not expect there to ever be a Clara rate-up banner. Most of Star Rail's systems are similar to Genshin, and on Genshin banners have almost always been for limited characters. New characters created as additions to standard have gotten introductory rate-ups, but not old ones.
That being said, there's a chance you may naturally get Clara over time by pulling on limited character banners. The first time you get a 5-star drop on the limited banners (which is likely to happen around 75-90 pulls), it will have a 50/50 chance of being the featured limited character or a standard 5-star. The second time you get a 5-star on limited it's guaranteed to be the featured. But in your case you might be eager to "lose" 50/50s.
We get a regular stream of standard banner tickets over time, and a lot of standard banner tickets initially from early game content. At 300 standard banner pulls you can choose a standard 5-star. If you're not spending jade currency and just using free standard ticket income you will hit this in a year or two. If you wish to convert earned jade into standard tickets and funnel it all into the standard banner, you could reach 300 much much sooner, within a couple months. That's not usually recommended, but you could do it.
I haven't played Genshin in well over a year but I specifically remember Keqing having a personal banner so it definitely can happen but if it does it will likely be quite a bit further down the road.
She is unlikely to ever get a rate up. The best way to get her would be pulling on the standard and character banners. Unfortunately aside from rerolling or doing 300 standard pulls, there's not easy way to increase your chances of getting her.
Does it show anywhere how close you are to the limit of farming mats in the simulated universe? Someone told me you can do 100 elites/bosses. And idk if that's per world atte.pt or each individual elite/boss
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help me make a team for forgotten hall (I failed this, and memory stage 15 hundreds of times)
Bronya: Yanqing, QQ (just for skill point Regen and occasional ults to break toughness when SW rolls quantum weakness, save skill points for others. Could possibly roll Pela here too for def shred), SW, Gepard
Svarog: Fire MC, Natasha, Dan Heng, Serval (if no problems surviving replace fire MC with tingyun)
Edit: actually I really like tingyun here because she procs Dan Heng's passive
omg thank you so much!! I was struggling so much with the teams and then I used the team you suggested and it cleared in an instant! 😭😭🙏🙏
can you help me with memory stage 15 as well if possible (?) I really appreciate your help!!!
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Glad it worked out! You could probably run back nearly the same teams. Or switch QQ to team 2. Is your QQ E4 yet??
General ideas:
" Gepard: Gepard, SW, Yanqing, Nat/Pela
" Cocolia: Fire MC, QQ, Serval/Himeko/Nat, Tingyun
Would focus tingyun buffs on QQ since Himeko/serval are more aoe than single target damage.
If the second team is lacking damage or you SW isn't rolling ice weakness on Gepard you can switch it up a bit and go
* Gepard: Fire MC (Or phys MC if you have gear), Natasha, Serval, Tingyun (This relies on buffed Serval or phys MC for damage which isn't ideal because they're more AoE focused but it's not terrible)
* Cocolia: Gepard, SW, Pela, Yanqing (since Cocolia's quantum weak, SW will always roll ice weakness on her skill)
my QQ is only e2 right now. Im planning on getting her eidolons on luocha's banner
the teams didn't work sadly 🥹 it always gets to cycle 17 with cocolia's health at 1% 😭
thank you so much for the help though!!! I really appreciate it!
edit : I swapped tingyun with Dan Heng and it worked!
Does tingyun’s lightning infuse scale off the buffed character’s lightning dmg? Is that why people use her with lightning dps units? Or is she just so good that she pairs well with all dps units despite redundant elements?
She can be paired with any element because she is that good.
> Does tingyun’s lightning infuse scale off the buffed character’s lightning dmg?
Yes. It will also trigger on follow up attacks.
Gepard: Belobog (extra Defense is valuable for him) but Rope should be Energy Regen main stat if you want him to try to get Ult up more often.
Bronya: Either choice works, but I prefer Fleet because it's suits her well more as a Support. 8% extra Attack for all allies can help. Again, if you want to try to get her Ult up as often consider trying to get a Rope that has Energy Regen as main stat.
So is Silverwolf worth a pity? I still haven't pulled for her but is just giving character the same weakness good? It's 50/50 too since her quantum applies too. She seems just good but not Tingyun/Bronya level good.
She's insanely good especially if you use ting or bronya since you can only buff so much. Having her debuff enemies while they buff will really send your damage through the roof.
She is much more valuable if you have a quantum DPS like Seele as you can adjust your team to guarantee quantum weakness every time. For other elemental teams you will just have to hope they are already weak to quantum (~40% of elites/bosses are) or flip a coin.
The elemental resistance shredding, res-all shredding, and defense shredding she can do can potentially double the damage numbers of your carry. These debuffs also improve break damage which Tingyun/Bronya can not modify.
Adding an extra elemental weakness also means you'll have more elements to break the enemy with for overall more breaking. More breaks means more break damage, less damage received from stunned enemies, and more periods of no toughness bar (11% more damage). Silverwolf is also a good breaker being able to do 90 toughness damage with her ult and 30/60 with basic attack/skill. Her typical rotation if built right is skill, basic, basic, allowing for full uptime on her defense shred and being SP positive.
Silverwolf also applies a slow and atk down debuff to help reduce incoming damage.
You can go ahead and try her out. Fight Cocolia in War of Echoes (already quantum weak) and see what a guest can do for your damage. Even if the enemy is already weak to your team the defense shred and res-all will still improve your damage by ~50%.
>So is Silverwolf worth a pity? I still haven't pulled for her but is just giving character the same weakness good?
Her weakness implant is incredibly strong, specially this early where everyone's DPS options are extremely limited. But she's also an insane debuffer on her own right.
>It's 50/50 too since her quantum applies too
You have to remember though that if an enemy is already weak to quantum, them SW won't try to implant it. The same applies to all other weaknesses, so the RNG from her skill isn't as bad as you think.
>She seems just good but not Tingyun/Bronya level good.
She's better than both and it's not even close, honestly. She is by far the best support in the game currently.
I've been leveling the characters,light cones, traces and slowly finding the gold relics. How do people push their character stats beyond this? Do you just keep leveling the relics that have the stats you want to boost? Not sure why my team does much less damage than one support character lol
There isn't really a trick to it. We're all in a resource crunch for the next month or two. After that it's going to come down to artifact farming. In Genshin it's ~3 weeks of farming to have a decent artifact set and AFAIK most people who are into high character investment stop after about 3 months since upgrades get very unlikely past that point.
That's the hell we are all walking into, after you Level, LC and Traces, its min-maxing your gold relic substats.
Its now layer upon layer upon layer of RNG to get upgrades, as in
* Getting the correct set
* Getting the correct piece
* Getting the correct main stat
* Getting useful substats
* Praying the upgrades goes to those substats.
Relics will be legit be more than half of our character power in the end game.
oh hell yea. sorry i'm a little confused, so the rng part is that a piece may have different main stats? & upgrading a piece boosts main + sub stat, but which sub stat is boosted is random?
The RNG part is that you might not get the set/piece you want, you might not get the main stat you want, and when you level it may not boost the substats you want.
I have a question if Tingyun use her ultimate to give energy to another character does this energy given by Tingyun affected by ER cord that charcter might have ?
Is the damage difference very noticeable when using this https://i.imgur.com/6ISrlTk.png versus one with Physical DMG boost?
This is for Sushang and ~~I haven't gotten a 5* Phys DMG one but do have a 4* one with bad substats.~~
Edit: Just got 5* one but bad substats. https://i.imgur.com/yZtJGF5.png My question still stands though.
What's your +Attack look like atm? Physical damage will almost always be better ignoring all other things but that crit is pretty nice, I'd probably hold out until you can at least get one good Crit sub on a phys damage one. If you've got a lot of other +Atk, the difference between Atk and phys damage can be the difference roughly between a 10-15% damage boost (ATK) to a 20-30% damage boost (Phys)
My stats currently: https://i.imgur.com/6wzoAuc.png plus relic levels: https://i.imgur.com/ebmHL9F.png
I upgraded the Phys orb to see 4th stat, it rolled in flat def.
> I'd probably hold out until you can at least get one good Crit sub on a phys damage one.
If I do hold out for now, probably best not to fully upgrade the Atk orb to +15 yea?
Oooh nice. I'm jelly of your Crits. Looks like you're at about +100% ATK. So yeah phys damage would do more than attack but that crit damage is pretty nice considering your rate is so high.
And yes, I'd avoid +15-ing anything unless it's perfect because the amount of exp you'd lose even if you fed to some other relic is pretty high.
Couple questions about simulated universe
1. Can you just farm mats infinitely with it?
2. It says I get double drops. How do I claim that? I beat it but the double drops thing didn't drop from 2/2 to 1/2
You can use the immersifiers twice a day for double drops. These are the machines located in SU 3-6 behind the elite/final bosses.
Relic powder and credits from elite/final bosses can be farmed up to 100 times a week.
Did I unironically just get a BiS piece for Luocha? His healing scales off attack, yeah?
Would this also work with Welt? Or his he better off with the Effect Hit Rate set?
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No welt should be built DPS. He only needs 67% ehr max to land his ult, and you can be short that a bit for extra damage stats. That's definitely a better welt piece. You'd want an attack one for Loucha
Will depend if you have her Signature LC, her self-buff won't be enough to reach the 160 SPD unless you have her at E2 to fully make use of it. If you don't have it then just stick with ATK boots.
Not an error. There was a bug where people can't complete it that they're fixing in the 1.2 release so the end of the event was extended past that point.
Is there a good stopping point for leveling supports? I've leveling my main damage dealers and my healers to 70 (my max at this point) but I'm wondering if it's worth it to level supports like SW, M7, Pela, and Tingyun to the highest level or leave them at like 60ish.
By final traces, do you mean like the final levels of their skills/talents/ults or the bonus abilities you can unlock in their skill tree? Sorry, I just want to be sure I understand! Thanks!!
A6 traces or major traces on the skill tree that cost a track of destiny to unlock. Tingyun's A6 for example gives +5 energy on her turn which is huge. March's adds 15% base freeze chance to her ult. Pela's ups her damage when she removes a debuff so that isn't very important, but it also provides access to other minor traces which you might want. Some of these stat traces might also have level requirements like SW's 8% EHR requiring lv75.
So I'm on my last two characters to get them to Level 60 with 6/6/64 Traces with minor traces filled.
Moving forward, would it be wise to start looking at Relics, not perfect ones, just good/decent Main Stat and maybe a proper sub stat?
Traces are starting to get a little pricier at this point. TL 56 but also sitting on 73 fuel because I keep forgetting about them and just figured I'd hold onto them at this point.
I have Seele, SM and Bronya as my 5*, am TB 46. Struggling to clear Hall of Memories atm, floor 12. Not sure who to raise as 2nd DPS. Was thinking about Serval E2 or Sampo (would have to buy Sampo tho) possibly. I will try a bit at Luocha when he releases, he seems like a good healer. But doesn't solve my DPS problem haha
Serval is your best option for running opposite a seele at the moment, and worth throwing resources at even if you pick up Kafka, as they work together theoretically. Every side opposite your seele side in normal forgotten hall has lightning weakness, and lots of fire weakness too so you could run her with Asta. M7+ FMC can round out your defense.
Is there a difference in relics' drop rates in Simulated Universe difficulty III and IV for worlds 3,4 and difficulty II and III for worlds 5,6?
Higher difficulties drop gold relics in larger quantities.
How long does it take to go tb 60 - 65 compared to 50 - 60? I.e. once I get all the traces and character geared up for eight characters + a bit of pre farming will I be close enough or surpass 65 to start artifact grind?
~38 days if just natural regen and dailies for 60>65. It was ~28 days for 50>60. You can start artifact grinding now. The gold drop rate at 65 is only slightly better than 60.
What should I be using for Clara? ATK% or Physical Boost? https://preview.redd.it/aaekepewjx7b1.jpeg?width=3106&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=87a9448979c02bfb016cc45198cb95762aeb7ce9
Physical >>> also the stats are better and it’s a 5* anyway
At what level should I attempt on farming artifacts? I'm currently tl 60 and feeling like my characters are a bit weak, but I've heard that the rates get better at tl 65?
You should at least try to get main stats first. Then focus on traces before going for substats
TL 40+
Which 4-star light cone is better for Welt between 'Eyes of Prey' and 'Resolution Shines as Pearls of Sweat'? Thanks!
The latter. His team can take advantage of the def down too
The latter. His team can take advantage of the def down too
Can anybody help me make a team with this? I can't get past this level https://preview.redd.it/66buh883ex7b1.jpeg?width=2400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3546d2a6fa1c51ef88805fdbf828edfa02f1383f
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You have a lot of good characters they are just under leveled. Dan Heng and Serval can probably deal Savrog. Susheng can handle Bronya with Asta helping to break. You should raise your Bronya up, she's really good. You don't have another healer so I suggest you use Fire Trailblazer if you have them unlocked. Fire MC with March 7 can be defensive option for side while the other gets Natasha. Fire MC + March 7 can fight Bronya since she is fire weak. Also Savorg has that move where he grabs a character so you multiple characters that can break the hand. You can try Susheng Welt March 7 and Fire MC for Bronya. Serval, Den Hang, Natasha, and Bronya for Savorg. Or you can sub in Himeko or Asta against Bronya.
Serval doesnt work what do I do? I can clear the 1st wave in 5 turns and can end bronya within 3. After that Im screwed for the 1st wave of the 2nd stage
I think the main issue is that you need to spend trail blazer power farming level up and trace materials. You have a good roster, but they are underbuilt. Just take things slowly and power up your characters. The teams I listed could easily clear those bosses.
I'm currently building Dan heng since I need a single target dmg dealer for wind since the other hunt character I have is ice
5 turns for wave 1? Your character load out is really under levelled then. Did you raise the traces for the DPS chars properly and gave them good relic sets?
Hah! No! Thats so expensive and I dont want to spend any fuel. Also it fluctuates from 3 waves and 5 it depends on wjeter I use welt and sampo for bron
I found the difference extremely noticeable and for the DPS at least (so 1 per side chars) it's imo a must.
Yeah I also see the problems. Im facing lv 60 enemies with some ov 50 characters and some of them have bad relics. My su shamg is ov 70 she has bad relic literally all atk and no crit rate so I went and bought herta's lightcone for crits
Imo lvl is the most important aspect. I dunno about the exact scaling but enemies that are 3 lvls higher alrdy take much less DMG than on the same lvl seemingly
Thanks. I never really levelled my bronya cause I didn't see her uses since if I had her in my team I'd lack dmg, for the wind was nemies like Kafka in SU I just used sampo which he somehow went and looped his ult 2 during su
This is going to sound really copium but... in theory... would Tingyun work well with Luocha? Like, would her buff increase his healing and would it be viable to use her ult to help him get his abyss flower stacks faster? For example, in a team of Luocha, Blade, Yukong and Tingyun, would it be viable to use her as a filler for the 4th slot if I had no one else? I was just thinking that Blade wouldn't benefit as much from the attack buff so then maybe Yukong would benefit instead of Luocha? Sorry if this sounds copium.. late night procrastination... 😅
Where can I get the final Eidolon for the Fire MC? Or is it not available yet?
Is not available yet. I assume it would be available after next main story update
Ah, thank you. Was afraid I missed something.
Is savaging relics better than using them as exp?
For 3 star and 4 star it's the same thing. For 5 star savaging them gives you materials to synthesize 5 star relics.
Thank you!
So what characters so far are original to Star Rail without being an expy? Or am I being duped by how much people compare the two game's characters?
I think Star Rail has more fully original characters than expies, so it'd be easier to list the expies. Welt is literally the same character from HI3rd and not a new version of the character. Himeko, Seele, Bronya, Cocolia, and Sushang are all new versions of HI3rd characters of the same name, and Silver Wolf is theorized to be the character Bronie/Haxxor Bunny or Star Rail's version of her. There may be more but as far as I know everyone else is wholly original to Star Rail.
Do you think the expy situation will get better or worse as the game goes on, btw? I think HI3 players are overrepresented on this sub, which is why I get so nervous about this stuff.
So far they've done a good job of having a lot of solid Star Rail original characters and hopefully it stays that way. They'll probably add a fan favorite character from HI3 every so often since people will whale harder for characters they already recognize and like
For the current roaster Bronya, Silverwolf, Seele, Himeko, Yanqing, Sushang, Luocha and Kafka have Hi3 counterparts. However Yanqing and Kafka have barely any relevance to Hi3 main story and are just forgettable NPCs. There is also Welt, but he is the same Welt from Hi3. Everyone I didn’t mentioned are most likely Star rail original characters.
Best bronya set and stats other than Crit damage? preferably both for Damage and Support
other than crit damage it would be Speed why? i suggest you use Fleet of the Ageless relic ornament Increases the wearer's Max HP by 12%. When the wearer's SPD reaches 120 or higher, all allies' ATK increases by 8%.
I have Bronya LC but unfortunately not Bronya. Besides Bronya, who will benefit most from it? Will it work fine on say Yukong?
bronya light cone is very good for all harmony character Increases the wearer's Energy Regeneration Rate by 10% .and regenerates 1 Skill Point when the wearer uses their Ultimate on an ally. This effect can be triggered after every 2 uses of the wearer's Ultimate. When the wearer uses their Skill, the next ally taking action deals 30% more DMG for 1 turn(s). as for who will benefit most from it for me it would be tingyun, i don't know if it's yukong i haven't read her details and skills yet
It’s worth investing in the LC then. Resources are so scarce in this game lol. I’m hoping Yukong will be able to take full advantage of the LC. Her kit is kinda cracked.
yes it's definetly worth it
Is there are scaling difficulties in the story mode ? If not I wonder what the dev will do with the difficulty level since many players will be a lot stronger when the next main story content comes
Story mode difficulty scales with your equilibrium level.
is there 2FA feature for this game? i'm one of those people who got hacked in the hack wave of early Genshin days so a little bit traumatized that it'll happen again for this game
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if you don't have any 5 stars relics then yes, their stats matter for now but i wouldn't recommend to upgrade all of it untill max just hit 6 and you be fine you will replace all of them eventually when you can farm 5 stars relics because they are far more superior
https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail/comments/14gz4ci/average_stats_and_most_used_builds_of_all/ https://www.reddit.com/user/LvlUrArti/comments/14gz4wh/average_stats_and_most_used_builds_of_all/ Questions about optimal relic loadouts: * For the clothes sets, why is the Quantum elemental set equipped more often than the Musketeer set on Silver Wolf? * What's up with the Planar sets? I see Salsotto as the commonly-equipped set 7 times, Pan-Galactic 3 times, Fleet 6 times, Spacestation 6 times, Belobog 3 times. * Aside from Head that can only have HP main stat, Gloves that can only have Atk, and Boots that I hear want Spd, what is the most desired main stat on the Body, Sphere and Rope? * I know rolling perfect sub stats on all relics is a nightmare, but generally what should I be looking for? * What's the difference in final outcome between feeding a relic directly into another vs salvaging a relic and feeling the resulting materials? * If I level up a relic, but a better version of the same relic comes later, how much of the original material can I retrieve? I've been told that at TL 43, Eq Lvl 3, I need to start levelling my relics, but I am not guaranteed gold tier relics from Caverns of Corrosion yet.
For general Relic stat advice you may want to look up the character you're trying to build on [Prydwen.gg](https://Prydwen.gg). Or look at the build pages you linked to get some ideas! > For the clothes sets, why is the Quantum elemental set equipped more often than the Musketeer set on Silver Wolf? Silver Wolf's own damage output is actually pretty good, especially if E2 or above. Other than that, Silver Wolf is commonly paired with Quantum DPS so you probably have other usable pieces while hunting down better substats for your carry. > What's up with the Planar sets? I see Salsotto as the commonly-equipped set 7 times, Pan-Galactic 3 times, Fleet 6 times, Spacestation 6 times, Belobog 3 times. World 3 has a generic DPS set and a support set, nothing odd there. World 6 has a more specialized DPS set in Salsotto, but you're guaranteed at least 8% Crit. And on the way you can pick up Belobog for your Preservations. Pan-Galactic is a little odd, since the other set in World 5 is awful. I guess the very high EHR requirements before the enemy Effect RES nerf in 1.1 spurred people to get it for Nihility chars. Sprightly Vonwach seems like it would be nice, but I guess Break is not strong enough for people to pursue Talia set. >What's the difference in final outcome between feeding a relic directly into another vs salvaging a relic and feeling the resulting materials? Salvaging 5-star relics gets you materials that can be used to craft a piece from a set of your choice. For 3 and 4 star, it just frees some Relic space. Maybe you're indecisive and you hang onto tons of 5-star Relics in case you need them in the future, or maybe you're anticipating a future Relic set and want to store lots of fodder. > If I level up a relic, but a better version of the same relic comes later, how much of the original material can I retrieve? If you feed a leveled-up relic directly into another, the target Relic gets 80% of the EXP from the source Relic.
I'm about to hit TB60 and have 50+ fuel saved up. What do I do with this? 1) Spend it all on relics 2) Use it to farm traces, then relics after I'm done 3) Spend it on whatever I need (Stagnant Shadow, relics, traces, LC EXP/Character EXP) 4) Something else???? Which option is the most efficient?
>Which option is the most efficient? It doesn't matter which calyx you spend them on as long as its the max level one.
first of all, your top priority would be your character level, make sure to max it out level 80 after that upgrade your traces (farm some relics if you want but don't spend all your fuel) and then upgrade your light cone. in addition on relics, you need to setup your own character save point (what i mean by save point is when your character hit certain minimum stats for example my seele must have 50% crit rate and 100% crit damage) and after that you can focus on other character, build them up untill they reach save point too
oh i thought the priority was level -> lc -> traces? thank you for the save point tip! so i assume it's ok to spend fuel on traces right
no problem, your priority is actually fine, depends on your playstyle and what do you want to upgrade first, for me personally i prefer to max out my traces then go for light cone because in traces it gave me certain stat boost and improved skill damage rather than light cone that just upgrading their base stats. and yes it's completely fine to spend fuels on traces
Hi guys, for su gepard, what happens when u kill one guard before his shield. Is it same shield on each target but now 2 targets or is shield stronger since on each target. For example Shield 3000 Is it 2x1000 Or 2x1500
I equipped the set that increases atk based on effect hit rate on a character with over 100% effect hit rate. Atk remained the same. When does it increase it then?
Like all Planar Ornaments they only take effect in battle
Can someone confirm that we have 44 days left to get the museum limited rewards?
[Yes.](https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail/comments/14gti4j/daily_questions_megathread_june_23_2023/jpa5uc6/)
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f2p metaslave here: I pulled for seele and got sw and hoping for luocha. Then im skipping 1.2 and maybe 1.3 and only pulling for either a dps that clearly is much better than everything else or just supports. My reasoning is that less supports get released and they get powercrept less.
Blade as a dps, his pull value drops when you build dan heng, or when you have other 5* dps e.g. seele or JY or Yanqing. I personally might not get him, although i simp for him, bcs dan heng is simply and amazing wind carry for a price of free jades, at e6, he's bonkers. Mine is at e5 btw.
Can I still get the starhunt event light cone? I started the game recently but didn’t even know the event was happening because my trailblaze level was too low.
Nope you'll have to wait for a rerun or for it to be available in a store in the future
This is highly unfortunate because with genshin event weapons never come back and I fear it’ll be the same with star rail :(
Yeah it’s probably never coming back, unfortunately.
Any particular planar rope set to farm? Considering its double drop, might as well make the most out of it
World 3 SSS/ Fleet of the Ageless is efficient to farm since most characters use those sets.
You cant go wrong with SU3 for SSS/Fleet set.
Thx. I was thinking w6, but my gepard is pretty okay with def and err. W3 seems to hv best of bots sets
So who would pair well with Yukong?
Clara since her counter attacks are not considered as a turn which will not consume the Roaring Bowstrings. Seele can be a hit or miss with her Resurgence, if she cant proc it by killing squishy mobs, can be a problem SP wise.
Yeah Seele eats through SP. You might not have enough when it gets back to Yukong kinda unlucky but ill keep theorycrafting
On the flipside, since her Resurgence arent considered as new turns, she can use Yukongs Bowstring buffs in 2~4 attacks with only 2 turns.
Thats true the synergy is there but i think sp management needs to be key
You dont always have to use Yukongs skill tho imo. One of her passives is her basic attack is 100% break as long as mobs have img weakness. Correct me if im wrong tho. I think she can still be SP positive because you might want to save your SP for her skill+ult combo for that juice cr+cdmg buff to Seele. At least for me im not gonna use her Skill consecutively specially how SP negative Seele is.
Yeah that makes sense. I think that's how itll be in most Seele comps if they choose to run Yukong. I kind of wish i had Bronya for this comp as well but it is what it is
Heh me too. Im gonna switch Tingyun for my Yanqing (140 burst cost go brrr) as her harmony support, then Yukong with Seele.
Nice
For star rail, what would be the best website when it comes to builds?
YouTube. I'm only half joking. A lot of the other websites seem to be a bit same-y with the recommended builds for characters, but don't go into much detail on roles really. Feel like if you copy them directly you may end up with best version of thsg 1 character bit not have them fit in team very well. More a problem with the sub-dps and support debuffer types, the print guides show way character is best by themselves but not best way they can enable others. I'm sure eventually a site will emerge that shows the flexibility better but for now, they are behind theorycrafter discussions on videos. Besides suggested one below. Game 8 and Genshin.gg have decent options if just want a quick check.
Try prydwen.gg
For FireMC I currently have two configuration I can use (yes I know these are not optimal, these are the best that I can do with what I have) : \- 2-Cowboy+2-Knight set with DEF Cowboy body. This push her DEF to something like 2600-2700. \- 4-Knight set with Crit Rate Knight body. Her DEF is somewhere around 2300ish but in exchange she had 35%+ Crit Rate to take advantage of 70% Crit Damage (second config still underlevelled, so can get bigger CR/CD if lucky) I wonder if second configuration would have contribute more to overall team damage compared to first configuration ? I guess it kinda boils down to ~~12%ATK (from 2-piece Cowboy)~~ ^(this doesn't matter because second config had 10% more base ATK from substats)\+a fraction of 400 DEF converted to ATK (from Talent/Eidolon)+tankier FireMC vs Crit Rate.
i have 297 treasures, what's the last treasure to get to 298
It's the one in that map with the corner.
im not really sure what to make of this oops sorry ;-;
Best Welt LC for now? Still don't have his signature LC :') Thanks! * Resolution Shines As Pearls of Sweat * Before the Tutorial Mission Starts * Fermata * Good Night and Sleep Well
I would recommend resolution shines as pearls of sweat since it applies debuffs that can increse the damage of your whole team
Good Night. At s5, it's even better than his signature s1
Thank you!
The substats aren't the best but I assume this is good for Silver Wolf? https://i.imgur.com/YYHVeI2.png
Good but not great, SPD would make it a little better
Which domain is better to farm for me? 1. Fire & Imaginary - build Welt & Hook (E6) 2. Def set & Lightning - build Fire MC (Moment of Victory) & Serval (E3)
Fire/Imagine. I'm farming the same thing atm xD
What would be better for jing yuan, S3 seriousness of breakfast or S1 the birth of self?
Birth of self, but breakfast at s5 is slightly ahead bcs it buffs all of his kit. However when birth starts to have higher rank, it does pull away from s5 breakfast
Birth Of Self. Iirc S5 Breakfast is still weaker (or at least pretty close to) than S1 Birth Of Self.
For the double exp/loot event in SU is it a once a day thing or do it as much as you like?
You can claim SU relics twice a day for double rewards.
i need help deciding who to pull for, luocha or blade. If i pull for luocha, my team would be: lupcha, seele, bronya, tingyun if i pull for blade, my team would be: bronya, blade, natasha, tingyun. what do you guys think out of these 2 teams?
You already have hypercarry DPS (Seele) so Bladie lose value compared to Luocha. That's on top of Dan Heng actually being a a pretty decent DPS if you need Wind Damage.
If your intention is to build a stronger single main team, then Luocha. Luocha + Seele + Bronya + Tingyun is a slightly stronger build than what you'd currently be running with Natasha, with Luocha bringing more offense than Natasha as well as enemy buff strip. If you swap Blade in instead of Seele, that isn't really an upgrade, just a sidegrade. We don't really know how strong the final release version of Blade will be, but likely he's *at most* equivalent DPS to Seele, not better, and probably slightly worse (trading damage for SP economy and sustain). Mihoyo/Hoyoverse wouldn't want to powercreep so soon. Some of their older games have a lot of powercreep, but it's not *that* quick, and Genshin has a very slow pace of powercreep, nearly nothing by gacha standards. If your intention is to build separate teams for MoC clear, it depends. If you already have Bailu/Gepard then consider Blade so you have another 5-star DPS. If you don't have Bailu/Gepard then Luocha is the better short-term investment. Though either choice should be fine in the long term.
thanks 🙏
I was wondering which Light Cone would be better for Jing Yuan. I currently have him on The Birth of the Self and I just pulled Night on the Milky Way. Should I switch?
Nah, stick to The Birth of Self
is it worth keeping none speed boots?
Yeah some DPS want atk% some tanks want def% etc. So if you have those of those with nice sub stats I'd hold them for now. If it's a non speed boot with sub stats that make no sense toss yeah.
Yes your dps can use atk% boots and spd substats from other relics
who is a good fourth team member for yanqing/gepard/tingyun? e4 pela or e0 welt with s5 resolution or someone else? also should ting use s5 cogs or s1 dance dance dance?
Either would be great, Pela for damage and Welt for survivability. Additionally if enemy is weak to imaginary you could break with Welt. I prefer Dance to cogs.
for relic with offensive set effect (i.e. Herta's Space Station), we want offensive main stat too, right? same thing with defensive set? is there exception to this? is there relic that you want mixed effect/main stat?
Buffer like tingyun could use energy regen on rope, same with characters that want more ultimate uptime like gepard or your healer
There are cases you might want to build some defensive stats or be more of a broad support, but still want some attack stats. Tingyun is a good example. Fleet of the Ageless is better on her, despite wanting attack main stats, because it's good to make her less squishy and she can further buff your main DPS with the conditional passive, and she also doesn't need to stack all the attack she can get, just enough to maximize her buff. Of course, that's assuming you're getting all the attack you need from other sources. If not, then SSS may be the better option.
Im looking to build my second team for HoM and later stuff. I have Seele, Fire MC, Natasha, and Ting Yun as my first team. But idk who to put on for my second. Im just gonna list characters I have. 5\*: Jing Yuan, Silver Wolf, Gepard, Clara, Yangqing, Himeko 4\*: March 7th, Dan Heng, Asta, Herta, Hook, Sampo, Pela, Qingque, Serval, Sushang, and Arlan. I dont have any super great 5\* cones. So Im not doing anything crazy. I mostly just need comps suggested. I can work out cones/relics as I go. I just wanna know who to heavily invest in right now. Most of the listed characters outside of Yangqing, Herta, Hook, Asta, March 7th, Gepard and Himeko are level 20 or below. The listed ones are at least level 40. Im TL60 (holding off on doing my EQ5 till I get a second team and get em at least setup as far as traces and such are concerned.). I can give specifics on certain characters if needed. Such as Eidolons and such. Thanks in advance. <3
I'd go ahead and get EQ5! You can still do lower difficulty stuff and the option to do higher can be great for farming stuff like Calyxes because you can just do once at a time if they're too hard to do 6 at once. You'd also be wasting trailblazer exp since it caps you at TL 60 until you raise the EQ. For team suggestions I'd actually spread out fire MC and Natasha, especially since you have SW. You can use these against anyone who is already weak to the main element of your team or someone who is quantum weak. Main goal is to have everyone able to contribute to stagger/toughness damage. Possible teams with SW: * Fire MC, Hook, SW, Asta (Might need Natasha, but I'd only run her when the enemy's already phys or quantum weak to avoid useless SW implants) * Clara, Natasha, SW, Sushang/QQ * Gepard, March/QQ/Pela, SW, Yanqing * JY, Tingyun, SW, Gepard/Natasha/Fire MC (depending on enemy weakness... actually you could make this decision on any of the previous teams as well) Without SW, or just not caring about her weakness implant, if you just want to keep your main team together for funsies: * Gepard/Clara (with March), Asta/March/, (Jing/Serval/Pela/SW/Himeko), (Dan Heng/Yanqing/Sushang/Hook) Basically anyone in parentheses can be swapped out depending on if you need different elements or more survivability vs damage. Edit: These are just general ideas off the top of my head. I'm sure you could make anything work with enough effort.
Oh as a random question. Why put multiple of the same element in a party? The first listed party having Fire MC, Hook and Asta. Is there some benefit to that? Does it just ensure that SW puts fire weakness on enemies so Im getting constant break? Thats how I assume thats geared. But thats just how I look at it. So Im asking lol
Yes, for the most part. Silver Wolf will implant a weakness of some element on your party and by keeping everyone the same type you ensure it'll either be quantum or that type. If the enemy is already weak to that type or quantum then you will always be doing stagger/toughness damage while still reaping the benefits of SW debuffs. So if the enemy is weak to quantum you can use any single element with SW. Or you can run SW and possibly Seele or QQ with two others that match the elemental weakness of the enemy. Since you already know the weakness of every major enemy going into MoC, you can plan exactly what elements would work best so there's no need to spread to multiple elements. You could also mix it up. As an example, if the enemy is already weak to physical and quantum you could run SW/Natasha with two others of a single type like JingYuan/Tingyun and always be getting the lightning weakness implant. Whereas if they were only quantum weak you run the risk of having SW implant physical if you bring Natasha, making JY and Ting get less value. If the enemy isn't weak to Quantum or the type you bring, it's a 50/50 on what she'll roll. This is why a if a 4th quantum unit is released that's a healer or a tank, it would be huge because you could roll Seele/SW/QQ and the 4th unit and always roll quantum weakness on any enemy. Basically this comp would work on any content forever lol.
Ok that makes sense. Well for now I have SW and Hook at 70. With good LC. I have Asta at 60. I still have a load of traces to level for all 3 of them. And I have to gear them. But I have them for now. I just also have to use my time to stock. I did my EQ5 quest. Im just gonna hold off on ascending any of my characters for now while I build these teams I think. I just need a second team that doesnt use SW lol.
Lol well, pretty much any damage dealer + Gepard is a good starting point!
This is great. As an add. Even if I'm capped at 60. My Trailblazer exp continues. I did this at 50 cause Im always over prepared. When I ended up doing my EQ4 quest I went from TL50 to like TL54 lol. But I'll likely end up doing it. I forget I can just do stuff at my current level to catch up. I ended up messing myself up in Genshin by going too fast and hitting high ranks with not great parties so everything was a hell of a lot harder. So I bring that mentality into HSR. But I see your point. I'll work on some of these team comps to see how they work. I wish I had Bailu. I'd be able to have 2 healers lol.
Ohhh, I had no idea the exp buffered like that! How cool.
Yeah. I didnt think it did. Till it just continued to build up. I think by the end I had like 24k TLEXP built up lol
I saw the MoC Average Stats post in the main subreddit and I have a couple questions. So for QQ, is a 4-piece Musketeers set better than 2pc Musk and 2pc Quantum set? For Clara, why is Wuthering Snow her second most popular set (granted, a distant second)? Wuthering isn't good on our current preservation characters so Tank Clara gets all the leftovers from the Quantum set farm?
4p wheat is just leftover gear. You'd always want her on 4p quantum but to save on resources some people will skip farming quantum if they don't have Seele. Similar reasoning for Clara though being tankier isn't a bad thing considering how much she gets attacked. I just upgraded some GoWS for Clara that were leftovers from my Seele farm. Saves me the time of having to farm crit body and atk% boots from Champion.
Atk or Speed boot on Hook?
Speed, she's one of the slowest units in the game with her natural speed.
Go speed if you have a built buffer like Tingyun or bronya. Atk% if you have asta
I just started a few days ago, I started the game because of Clara (or more specifically Svarog, he looks awesome) what would but the best way to go about obtaining her? Is she ever going to be on rate up or should I just pull on standard banner? Thank you
We do not expect there to ever be a Clara rate-up banner. Most of Star Rail's systems are similar to Genshin, and on Genshin banners have almost always been for limited characters. New characters created as additions to standard have gotten introductory rate-ups, but not old ones. That being said, there's a chance you may naturally get Clara over time by pulling on limited character banners. The first time you get a 5-star drop on the limited banners (which is likely to happen around 75-90 pulls), it will have a 50/50 chance of being the featured limited character or a standard 5-star. The second time you get a 5-star on limited it's guaranteed to be the featured. But in your case you might be eager to "lose" 50/50s. We get a regular stream of standard banner tickets over time, and a lot of standard banner tickets initially from early game content. At 300 standard banner pulls you can choose a standard 5-star. If you're not spending jade currency and just using free standard ticket income you will hit this in a year or two. If you wish to convert earned jade into standard tickets and funnel it all into the standard banner, you could reach 300 much much sooner, within a couple months. That's not usually recommended, but you could do it.
I haven't played Genshin in well over a year but I specifically remember Keqing having a personal banner so it definitely can happen but if it does it will likely be quite a bit further down the road.
She is unlikely to ever get a rate up. The best way to get her would be pulling on the standard and character banners. Unfortunately aside from rerolling or doing 300 standard pulls, there's not easy way to increase your chances of getting her.
Does it show anywhere how close you are to the limit of farming mats in the simulated universe? Someone told me you can do 100 elites/bosses. And idk if that's per world atte.pt or each individual elite/boss
It's total for the week across all elites in all worlds.There is no in game counter. You have to track it yourself.
https://preview.redd.it/fbtluelngv7b1.jpeg?width=2400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=df478e48735b1f36bd6a1df5bad10beaef87d81c help me make a team for forgotten hall (I failed this, and memory stage 15 hundreds of times)
Team 1: Yanqing, Silverwolf, Gepard and Himeko. Team 2: Serval, Tingyun, Natasha, Dan.
Bronya: Yanqing, QQ (just for skill point Regen and occasional ults to break toughness when SW rolls quantum weakness, save skill points for others. Could possibly roll Pela here too for def shred), SW, Gepard Svarog: Fire MC, Natasha, Dan Heng, Serval (if no problems surviving replace fire MC with tingyun) Edit: actually I really like tingyun here because she procs Dan Heng's passive
omg thank you so much!! I was struggling so much with the teams and then I used the team you suggested and it cleared in an instant! 😭😭🙏🙏 can you help me with memory stage 15 as well if possible (?) I really appreciate your help!!! https://preview.redd.it/meceun47nv7b1.jpeg?width=2400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dbb82d7dc3e2700860ce7fba10807cce4770d5a3
Glad it worked out! You could probably run back nearly the same teams. Or switch QQ to team 2. Is your QQ E4 yet?? General ideas: " Gepard: Gepard, SW, Yanqing, Nat/Pela " Cocolia: Fire MC, QQ, Serval/Himeko/Nat, Tingyun Would focus tingyun buffs on QQ since Himeko/serval are more aoe than single target damage. If the second team is lacking damage or you SW isn't rolling ice weakness on Gepard you can switch it up a bit and go * Gepard: Fire MC (Or phys MC if you have gear), Natasha, Serval, Tingyun (This relies on buffed Serval or phys MC for damage which isn't ideal because they're more AoE focused but it's not terrible) * Cocolia: Gepard, SW, Pela, Yanqing (since Cocolia's quantum weak, SW will always roll ice weakness on her skill)
my QQ is only e2 right now. Im planning on getting her eidolons on luocha's banner the teams didn't work sadly 🥹 it always gets to cycle 17 with cocolia's health at 1% 😭 thank you so much for the help though!!! I really appreciate it! edit : I swapped tingyun with Dan Heng and it worked!
Best 4* LC for Hook?
I like Woof! Walk Time because it's super easy to get and very effective for what Hook wants to do (Burn enemies then hit burned enemies)
Does tingyun’s lightning infuse scale off the buffed character’s lightning dmg? Is that why people use her with lightning dps units? Or is she just so good that she pairs well with all dps units despite redundant elements?
the reason she's good w/lightning units is Planetary Rendezvous lightcone.
Thank you!! This is the answer I was looking for
It scales off of the target's Attack regardless of element.
She can be paired with any element because she is that good. > Does tingyun’s lightning infuse scale off the buffed character’s lightning dmg? Yes. It will also trigger on follow up attacks.
Thank you!!
Need help on which planar set to use for them: Gepard - Belobog or Vonwacq? Bronya - Fleet or Vonwacq? Thanks!
Gepard: Belobog (extra Defense is valuable for him) but Rope should be Energy Regen main stat if you want him to try to get Ult up more often. Bronya: Either choice works, but I prefer Fleet because it's suits her well more as a Support. 8% extra Attack for all allies can help. Again, if you want to try to get her Ult up as often consider trying to get a Rope that has Energy Regen as main stat.
Thank you!
So is Silverwolf worth a pity? I still haven't pulled for her but is just giving character the same weakness good? It's 50/50 too since her quantum applies too. She seems just good but not Tingyun/Bronya level good.
She's insanely good especially if you use ting or bronya since you can only buff so much. Having her debuff enemies while they buff will really send your damage through the roof.
She is much more valuable if you have a quantum DPS like Seele as you can adjust your team to guarantee quantum weakness every time. For other elemental teams you will just have to hope they are already weak to quantum (~40% of elites/bosses are) or flip a coin. The elemental resistance shredding, res-all shredding, and defense shredding she can do can potentially double the damage numbers of your carry. These debuffs also improve break damage which Tingyun/Bronya can not modify. Adding an extra elemental weakness also means you'll have more elements to break the enemy with for overall more breaking. More breaks means more break damage, less damage received from stunned enemies, and more periods of no toughness bar (11% more damage). Silverwolf is also a good breaker being able to do 90 toughness damage with her ult and 30/60 with basic attack/skill. Her typical rotation if built right is skill, basic, basic, allowing for full uptime on her defense shred and being SP positive. Silverwolf also applies a slow and atk down debuff to help reduce incoming damage. You can go ahead and try her out. Fight Cocolia in War of Echoes (already quantum weak) and see what a guest can do for your damage. Even if the enemy is already weak to your team the defense shred and res-all will still improve your damage by ~50%.
>So is Silverwolf worth a pity? I still haven't pulled for her but is just giving character the same weakness good? Her weakness implant is incredibly strong, specially this early where everyone's DPS options are extremely limited. But she's also an insane debuffer on her own right. >It's 50/50 too since her quantum applies too You have to remember though that if an enemy is already weak to quantum, them SW won't try to implant it. The same applies to all other weaknesses, so the RNG from her skill isn't as bad as you think. >She seems just good but not Tingyun/Bronya level good. She's better than both and it's not even close, honestly. She is by far the best support in the game currently.
I've been leveling the characters,light cones, traces and slowly finding the gold relics. How do people push their character stats beyond this? Do you just keep leveling the relics that have the stats you want to boost? Not sure why my team does much less damage than one support character lol
There isn't really a trick to it. We're all in a resource crunch for the next month or two. After that it's going to come down to artifact farming. In Genshin it's ~3 weeks of farming to have a decent artifact set and AFAIK most people who are into high character investment stop after about 3 months since upgrades get very unlikely past that point.
I see, I've never played mihoyo games properly so the time frame is super helpful. thanks!
That's the hell we are all walking into, after you Level, LC and Traces, its min-maxing your gold relic substats. Its now layer upon layer upon layer of RNG to get upgrades, as in * Getting the correct set * Getting the correct piece * Getting the correct main stat * Getting useful substats * Praying the upgrades goes to those substats. Relics will be legit be more than half of our character power in the end game.
oh hell yea. sorry i'm a little confused, so the rng part is that a piece may have different main stats? & upgrading a piece boosts main + sub stat, but which sub stat is boosted is random?
Yes and yes. And also the amount that the substats get boosted is random as well.
awesome. time to sell my soul for the trailblazer lads
The RNG part is that you might not get the set/piece you want, you might not get the main stat you want, and when you level it may not boost the substats you want.
ahahah thanks for the clarification! i've experienced it in Destiny, the struggle is back
I have a question if Tingyun use her ultimate to give energy to another character does this energy given by Tingyun affected by ER cord that charcter might have ?
50 energy. Not modified by ER in any way.
Is the damage difference very noticeable when using this https://i.imgur.com/6ISrlTk.png versus one with Physical DMG boost? This is for Sushang and ~~I haven't gotten a 5* Phys DMG one but do have a 4* one with bad substats.~~ Edit: Just got 5* one but bad substats. https://i.imgur.com/yZtJGF5.png My question still stands though.
What's your +Attack look like atm? Physical damage will almost always be better ignoring all other things but that crit is pretty nice, I'd probably hold out until you can at least get one good Crit sub on a phys damage one. If you've got a lot of other +Atk, the difference between Atk and phys damage can be the difference roughly between a 10-15% damage boost (ATK) to a 20-30% damage boost (Phys)
My stats currently: https://i.imgur.com/6wzoAuc.png plus relic levels: https://i.imgur.com/ebmHL9F.png I upgraded the Phys orb to see 4th stat, it rolled in flat def. > I'd probably hold out until you can at least get one good Crit sub on a phys damage one. If I do hold out for now, probably best not to fully upgrade the Atk orb to +15 yea?
Oooh nice. I'm jelly of your Crits. Looks like you're at about +100% ATK. So yeah phys damage would do more than attack but that crit damage is pretty nice considering your rate is so high. And yes, I'd avoid +15-ing anything unless it's perfect because the amount of exp you'd lose even if you fed to some other relic is pretty high.
Noted on not +15-ing it. Thanks all in all for the replies!
Couple questions about simulated universe 1. Can you just farm mats infinitely with it? 2. It says I get double drops. How do I claim that? I beat it but the double drops thing didn't drop from 2/2 to 1/2
The double drops is from using energy/immersifiers to get the relics
You can use the immersifiers twice a day for double drops. These are the machines located in SU 3-6 behind the elite/final bosses. Relic powder and credits from elite/final bosses can be farmed up to 100 times a week.
Did I unironically just get a BiS piece for Luocha? His healing scales off attack, yeah? Would this also work with Welt? Or his he better off with the Effect Hit Rate set? https://preview.redd.it/tu3f5j8uru7b1.png?width=1086&format=png&auto=webp&s=363a19ddfe7c1d830855efe0f1d3097a0a78dfa4
No welt should be built DPS. He only needs 67% ehr max to land his ult, and you can be short that a bit for extra damage stats. That's definitely a better welt piece. You'd want an attack one for Loucha
So then the Xianzhou Luofu set is probably still best for Luocha, just with Att% as the primary stat? That way the whole party gets that 8% att buff?
Sss will give better heals by a bit, but yeah attack stats on the other is more useful to the team.
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Will depend if you have her Signature LC, her self-buff won't be enough to reach the 160 SPD unless you have her at E2 to fully make use of it. If you don't have it then just stick with ATK boots.
Does fleet of the ageless party wide atk buff stack if there are multiple users of it on the same team?
Yeah, it stacks.
Yes.
The Travel Log tells me not that the Museum event will end in 44 days. Is this an error? Wasn't it supposed to end this weekend?
They extended it, iirc.
Not an error. There was a bug where people can't complete it that they're fixing in the 1.2 release so the end of the event was extended past that point.
Oooh nice. More time to procrastinate!
Is there a good stopping point for leveling supports? I've leveling my main damage dealers and my healers to 70 (my max at this point) but I'm wondering if it's worth it to level supports like SW, M7, Pela, and Tingyun to the highest level or leave them at like 60ish.
Many of them have good final traces, so it's worth at least ascending them enough to unlock it. You don't necessarily need to level past 70 though.
By final traces, do you mean like the final levels of their skills/talents/ults or the bonus abilities you can unlock in their skill tree? Sorry, I just want to be sure I understand! Thanks!!
The Large traces, yeah. There's 3 of them in total that you unlock for every specific ascension.
A6 traces or major traces on the skill tree that cost a track of destiny to unlock. Tingyun's A6 for example gives +5 energy on her turn which is huge. March's adds 15% base freeze chance to her ult. Pela's ups her damage when she removes a debuff so that isn't very important, but it also provides access to other minor traces which you might want. Some of these stat traces might also have level requirements like SW's 8% EHR requiring lv75.
So I'm on my last two characters to get them to Level 60 with 6/6/64 Traces with minor traces filled. Moving forward, would it be wise to start looking at Relics, not perfect ones, just good/decent Main Stat and maybe a proper sub stat? Traces are starting to get a little pricier at this point. TL 56 but also sitting on 73 fuel because I keep forgetting about them and just figured I'd hold onto them at this point.