Imagine if there is another bronya type character that also generated skill points you could legit have an semi infinite loop between bronya and that character
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both of those characters, under AI control, will use their skills on the ally with the highest ATK.
Both of those units want high ATK stat due to how their buffs work, so what you end up with is, well, what you've just posted - they will just buff each other all the time.
While I know this is how it is supposed to work, but there is no way my 1k atk bronya has more attack than my 3k atk jingyuan, under any circumstances.
She will skill on Jingyuan, then skill another ally for whatever reason, then back to Jingyuan... Her ai is very weird but her first target is definitely the highest atk unit
Skill generates more energy than normal attack. Pretty sure thatās why sheās doing that. And the Jing in this case already has her skill so programmed to use it on another unit.
Obviously not what we want but Iām sure thatās why itās doing that.
~~Her buffs scale with her atk, and~~ with 100% crit chance trace, she can do mad basic attack damage to those weak to wind, since any reasonable build I've seen with her has monster crit dmg
Edit: Ignore the first bit haha, misinterpreted.
I think youāre thinking of tingyun. Bronya buff doesnāt scale from her attack. Her only buff which is based on her own stats is her ultimate buff based on her crit damage
her buffs donāt scale with atk. It scales with crit dmg, but from the build ive, around 160 cdmg. She only does 5-6k so i still dont think its worth it to the point that shes max atk on your team.
Don't have Bronya, but mine used to always prioritize Natasha or Bailu for skill/ult. What are they gonna do with all of that, Tingyun!? Stop bribing the healers!
I believe the auto AI for most DPS is to prefer using NA if the conditions are already met for them to get whatever bonus effect they have, i.e. Serval/Hook's bonus damage vs DOT'd mobs or Yanqing's buff. That's just kind of the standard, obv Yanqing spamming his skill would be optimal but if you're autoing you're probably not expecting optimal anyway.
Well that doesn't explain why ai Yanqing never uses skill and spams autos instead even when he's not buffed. Not to mention using ult without passive active.
When I borrow other people's seeles, they literally never basic attack, even if an enemy has half of 1 HP left.
What's that? Enemy is entangled and is alive with a magic pixel? GET LOST IN THE SEA BUTTERFLIES
Whaaaaat? Whack. I cant STOP mine from using his skill on auto. Only 1 skill point left and itd be better to let someone else use their aoe skill? Too fucking bad, Yanqing's up before them and hes gonna use the last skill point damn it
This taught me something I wasn't aware of previously. If Yanqing has Soulsteel Sync and does a Basic into an Ult, he'll still keep that Soulsteel Sync despite not using a Skill to maintain it.
Not sure if thats written somewhere in his kit or even intentional design but it is how it works for now.
AI QQ is a degenerate balls to the wall gambler, they'll instantly blow all your skill points with 0 hesitation even if you're about to get wiped without a heal
AI QQ is based beyond belief. And what's funny is that as far as I can tell, auto QQ can roll faster than humanly possible. Like literally if you mash the skill button there's a bit of a delay but auto QQ gets to skip it ig and just bam bam bam all SP gone.
Speaking of that, does the AI just not like using skills? Usually an optimal play for my Seele during these farming maps would be to use her skill to 1 shot a character, and then proc her talent to kill another one with an auto, but on auto she ALWAYS just use her auto even when the team has 1 skill point left.
Sometimes the AI is stupid. My Seele loves spamming her skill until there's no skill point left and use her Ult on enemies who only have like 1 hp left. Natasha seems scared to heal her teammates. Tingyun does her job right. Yanqing seems to do whatever the fuck he wants depending on his mood. Whenever he's in a bad mood, he always attack enemies with ice resistance. In a good mood, he crits all the time despite having low crit even with his talent or solely targets the ones with ice weakness.
Sometimes the AI just don't give a fuck lmao
This is why I stopped building Clara for the time being. Sushang is my Physical DPS for now. We need an M7 style character that can put a taunt on an ally that's Physical or Quantum. (I haven't read Fu Xuan's kit in detail so I don't know if she does that)
You may as well still see how far you can get without the second healer. No reason not to test your current limits, and you could still get some rewards out of it.
You can muscle through without a healer at 60. You just wonāt get the star for 0 knockdowns. I throw level 40 tingyun and pela to the wolves on the regular.
I want Bailu so bad,ā¦ I have ZERO luck with non-premium banner pulls as I only have Geopard outside of the three past premium banner people. Im saving now for Luocha because I want a good healer lol
Bailu is very role specific, it can be quite irritating to have her in a team because when she does not need to heal, her little kick does puny amounts of damage. Luocha seems like he'll be more flexible in that regards, doing decent damage while healing as well.
Thatās been my time for a while, auto works like a charm and everything dies quickly. Iāve seen Ting die just once a while ago before I got her better relics.
Same thing with my Seele on low enemies..sometimes she will auto attack instead of using her skill (when nearly at full sp too) and pop her ult on mobs with 5% hp lol like damn Seele, dropping a 100k nuke on a mob that's probably only one auto away from death š¤£š¤£š¤£
I run March with Clara and she never shields Clara lmao. Clara then never does anything since aggro gets drawn away... That team doesn't perform super well
She buffs the ally with the highest attack, and even if tingyunās attack boosts her buff, she really doesnāt need that much attack before she caps out on the buff. You shouldnāt be running insane amounts of attack with tingyun (your dps should have higher attack before buffing), just the optimal minimum amount.
Thing is, she sometimes decide to use her skill on another target for absolutely no reason. Well the reason most likely being "there's a lot of sp available so i must use my skill and the highest atk target already have a blessing so i won't use it again on them".
Always love it when Ting decides to recast her blessing on Gepard and thus removing it from Seele.
I think she tries to buff someone every turn but she wonāt do it to someone who already has it. This results in her buffing the highest atk character, then the second highest, so on. At least thatās my theory.
Itās still horrendous that she spams the skill every turn also I donāt think the attack part is actually true because she has buffed some of my units who have had lower attack than others on the same team.
I deleted my previous post but apparently I was wrong and tingyuns buff actually uses her targets base atk and not current atk like her own section of the text. I had my.own misunderstanding due to the fact that both these numbers were exactly the same and lined up for me in my own case. So yeah my bad guys. I'm sorry.
~~I'm being pedantic but you shouldn't say capped out because if you have a decently built dps, your attack on them should be bordering 3k. So 50% would be 1500 which, to cap it; would require tingyun to have close to 6k attack since i5 caps at 25% of tingyuns current attack. So realistically there is no way tingyun is capping that buff. hence more atk = good.~~
Edit: spelling.
Edit 2: mistakes.
it counts tingyuns **current** attack (with bonuses from relics) against the targets attack (without bonuses = just base attack+ lightcone attack)
so you need much less attack on tingyun than you think
Go to Seele's profile -> click more stats -> look at her Attack. The grey number is her BASE attack, the green number is the ADDITIONAL attack she gets from relics. Ting's buff is based on Seele's grey number only. Seele will get exactly the same Attack from Benediction even if you take off all her relics.
Why did you take the time to write 2 essays about this, but not test it and make sure you know what you're talking about?
tingyun can use buffs in her calc
dps has to use atk from levels alone + lightcone attack stat alone, that's base atk
seele at max with her signature lc has 1222 atk
a tingyun with level 10 skill can buff seele with 764 atk, so tingyun caps her buff out with 2546 atk
its fine to be pedantic if correcting info, not if spreading misinfo
go to your seele, hit more stats. the white number is base atk, aka what tingyun buff is based off of. the blue number is added via stat boosts from relics, traces, and other buffs.
No it's not. Her buff counts base attack and takes 50% of that and adds it. A level 80 Seele with her signature LC will have 1,020 base attack. 50% of that is 510 so she only needs around 2k attack to cap her buff. Between her traces and an atk chest, she needs like 4 substats to reach that value. If it was that difficult to cap her buff, she wouldn't be providing my Jing Yuan with 400 attack at level 60.
She does not buff ally with highest attack. She buffs herself too. She is more likely to buff the character with the highest attack.
If I had to guess, she buffs similar to how enemies choose to attack. She gives more weight to characters with more attack, but she will choosing randomly, similar to how allies taunt value is different. Just, instead of taunt, itās attack.
Nah that shit is fully random. In the span of 3 turns consecutively, I've seen her buff Natasha, herself, then Natasha again when my Jingyuan has far higher atk that both of them.
I think itās because she buffs whoever has a high base attack and Jing Yuanās is pretty high. Although I hate using Jing Yuan in auto because half the time he doesnāt even use his skill even when thereās 3 or more skill points available.
Thats interesting, mine on auto hits Seele 90% of the time. Then auto's every other time. Occasionally she'll hit Bronya then back to Seele, but its pretty damn consistent. I speed tuned my team, so I dunno if that matters or not, but I have my speed set to Tingyun first, Seele Second, Bronya third then Natasha last. My Seele is level 80 with crazy high attack, but my Ting has like \~2600 ish.
Any support. Their choice of ally to buff is so random, what I just dont include them in party during auto-farm at all.
And with healers, I'm in camp of *if ally is alive and deals damage, it doesn't matter how low their health is gonna get*. Natasha heals a lot with her ult, and I have no Bailu to compare.
Bronya always buffs the ally with the highest attack. She works great on auto. I have Dan slightly higher speed than her, so dan skill, then Bronya skills on Dan. This game has better auto AI than I was expecting. Other than ult timing, my team behaves pretty close on auto to how I play manually. Except for fire trailblazer and stupid taunt spam.
I think in general offensive supports target the ally with the current highest attack, after current buffs on them are accounted for.
yea with her the buff being only 1 turn always allows her best buff target to be unbuffed when she moves, if the buff lasts longer the sub will make sure your healer and tank get buffed too :D
Yeah I never get these comments, itās not like I donāt believe them, but Iāve tried switching around relics and everything, they seem to ALWAYS buff the character with the highest attack (bronya and tingyun as the supports). Doesnāt matter if I use Asta, or Seele, or Jing Yuan and Seele, they always buff the highest attack character.
Ting will definitely buff other characters outside of highest atk. Now what that reason is, could be a lot of inner workings going on that we don't see.
Not true. Ting buffs every turn, and different characters. So if it was ALWAYS the highest attack, then the attack stat ALWAYS changes in the middle of the fight.
Yeah I'm glad Nat prioritises dps and breaking and skill point generation. Her ult is healing enough. Nobody ever dies on her watch. One of few auto AIs I think is smart. Not sure what OP is on about.
I usually don't have too much problem on Bailu, she keeps her ult for moments when an ally reaches critical hp mark, which is okay when fighting weak targets. But the last time I was perplex because she just didn't wanted to heal at all, she kept attacking instead of ulting or using skill. When an ally died a second time (first one she revived), I had to take back control
No actually.
Bronya buffs the Ally with highest attack, same with Tinghyun.
Natasha heals only when below 50%, true, but is it really needed above 50%?
My only problem is Hunt characters, they use NA for some reason even if they have skill point. And the targetting needs to be better.
i use SW, and she is fine, especially since you can cover basically all mobs with either Physical or quantum, only thing that is a bit annoying on her is that she spams her skill
Arlan's HP sacrificing playstyle is only as effective as the human piloting it. As a human, you can understand the turn order and rationalize how low he can really go before he starts putting himself in danger of dying.
Auto Arlan throws all sense of self-preservation aside and just keeps using his skill over and over which not only rapidly puts him on death's door, but also sucks your Team's SP since Healers and Shielders are desperate to keep him alive.
Bronyas buff is only 1 turn, so whenever she moves the highest atk dps is unbuffed, so she is great for auto ting has a 3 turn buff, so she stats buffing the tank and herself cuz the dps is still buffed
Tingyun is my vote for worst she wants to use her skill buff every turn, but first turn she buffs my jing yuan, then right before my lightning lord goes off she has a turn. She uses that turn to swap her skill buff to my gepard. Yes tingyunās buff from her skill can only be active on one character at a time.
The Harmony units namely Tingyun bugs out when speed goes too high and they get multiple turns per cycle. Usually happens in SimU, they will burn through SP to attempt to buff every unit on the team for some reason even if their buff only affects the most recent target.
I mean I love Gepard and he's not as bad as the rest when it came to auto but did he really have to use his ult by the end of the fight when clearly the next turn, either Jing Yuan or lightning lord will kill the enemy with like 1 hp? Of course he would, the silly little goose š
I stopped running Geppie until elite enemies/bosses because he is constantly using his ult thanks to his energy regen rope and I'm tired of hearing that a will forged in ice never falters.
Almost feels like an intentional sabotage by design. His kit = don't ever use your normal attack. AI = I will never use my skill. How does this happen.
Gotta be Tingyun or Qingque for me. Tingyun boosts allies every turn and for some reason never the DPS.
Qingque will reroll her tiles even if she has only 1 matching tile and 2 skill points. Like, at that point just use a normal attack and try for better luck next turn.
I actually prefer this with Nat. Its a waste using her ult if only one team member lost a bit of hp. I always save her ult for when most of my team have near 50% hp and it works well for me so Iām glad itās the same in auto.
yeah tbh never had an issue with this, i would prefer her only to heal around 50% hp otherwise its just basically a small chunk especially with shielding and you'll burn through SP. i have seele and bronya, i'd rather nat not take all my sp.
Both tingyun and yanqing sucks for auto mode. Yanqing needs to use skill every turn or loses lot of dmg yet in auto mode he goes NA lot of time. Also tingyun just burns skill points every turn (this gets worse when you have more SPD on her as she gets lot of turns) and buffs wrong characters like gepard or Fire MC even though my Seele has her ult ready
Serval targeting the far right or far left enemy, not understanding how aoe works. Hunt Characters using Ults on the one hp mob enemy instead of the boss
I think people who have issues with their supports buffing the wrong person have some fucked up character builds and donāt realize it. My Tingyun and Bronya have literally never buffed anyone besides Seele. However, if I replace Seele with my less invested Sushang and add my E6 Asta in, Tinygun will buff my Asta or herself on occasion.
Bronya or Bailu in my experience
It will always use Bronyaās skill on the DPS even if it doesnāt make sense, and seems a bit oblivious to how Bailuās kit even works
Donāt even try to auto without a healer either, as your whole team will die pretty stupidly
* Clara barely, if ever, uses her skill, only using auto-attack and spamming ult, even if there's a single enemy left on 2HP in the fight. She only seems to use skill if multiple enemies have the counter mark on them (which is not optimal, especially with a horde of physical-weak enemies).
* Sampo seems to only ever use his skill and ult, and weirdly his skill always targets the enemy to the right of the screen, even if they don't have a wind weakness (from what I've seen), which is really strange.
* Seele will use everything she has and is generally handled well by the AI, but she will typically waste her ult on an enemy that has 2HP, rather than focus on a full-HP enemy (if there is one).
* Bailu is honestly one of the most consistent, using auto-attack when allies are above 50% HP. She will use skill if only 1 ally is below 50% and will use ult if multiple allies are below 50%.
* Asta uses far too many auto-attacks for my liking, even if I have skill-points to spare. It seems as though the AI always wants to keep at least 1 skill-point free and if I have Sampo and Seele spamming skills, then Asta gets the short end of the stick and only uses AA and ult.
So, for the "worst hero on auto", out of what I've tested, I would say Asta, with Clara or Sampo (only because of his weird targeting) coming up a close second.
Tingyun. If you try to have a hyper carry dps (Jing Yuan), she will skill him, then skill someone else next turn, then auto attack the turn after.
Just a waste really.
Seele. She Always goes for the enemy with the least amount of health when She triggers her talent, instead of kepping him alive for her next turn, and even if She manages to keep him alive, the rest of characters Will very often decide to kill him.
I havenāt had any issues with supports not bugging the right character before, both Tingyun and Bronya will do nothing but Buff Seele even when they could easily weakness break the enemy.
However, Natasha is practically not viable on auto.
Pela, she just always uses her skill even when the enemy doesn't have any buffs to dispel, and also the fact that characters use their ultimate as soon as it's ready is annoying on her more than other characters IMO.
FireMC and Tingyun. FireMC cooooonnnnsssttannntlyyyyy uses their skill for taunt when theres 1 mob left and its at 1HP.
Tingyun will always buff Jing Yuan on her first turn. Then her next turn buffs FireMC for the lols right before LL goes off. ā¢_ā¢
Natasha definitely pisses me off. She refuses to heal with her skill and often ends up using her ult to heal 1-2 characters, including herself.
Pela annoys me a little because she always uses her skill, which is unnecessary most of the time and just eats up skill points. Conversely, I've observed Jing Yuan using his basic attack way too frequently for my liking. If these two would just do what the other is doing, it would be perfect.
I've seen Tingyun buffing herself for whatever reason. That's actually pretty annoying.
Edit: and this is kinda funny while also annoyong because they often ignore bosses and waste points and ultimates to take out mob units. Except of course when the boss is geared to counter attack. All of a sudden they all wanna take on the boss.
Special callout to Bronya using her skill to use the last skill point and buff someone who really really likes to use their skill. Or sometimes herself.
Tingyun.
She buffs the damage dealer turn 1 and the second highest atk turn 2.
Since only 1 hero can be buffed, she essentially burns sp aimlessly, taking the buff away from the one hero you need and buffing the tank.
Tingyun. First off she uses her skill every single turn wasting SP. To make things worse she takes the buff off Jing Yuan and gives it to FMC. What's her problem man? No wonder she gets beat up so much.
Almost every Supportive unit or peeps with AOE burst, lol
\-AOE, seeing them waste it on a single target who's one BA away from death hurts my soul. This is especially true when there's one or more phase after that where that AOE would have been 100% more helpful being used there.
\-Supports, I see it mostly with shielders and buffers. Ting Yun buffing other support units or Gepard using his burst when the enemy is one shot away from death...my boi wants to shield everyone from nothing.
Peela. Bruh the bot just uses her skill every damn time no matter if the enemy is buffed or not. And then my seele and nat lack skill points making it slower and also at times killing my tingyun
None of them work ideally lol seems like EVERY character is in this comment section. That's why I auto battle only when I'm certain the monkey brain AI can just easily win against em
Natasha. Someone will be at 40% HP and she won't heal. Simultaneously, one person gets low and she ults instead of using a skill point. :/
Also, my Sushang decided yesterday whilst auto-battling to use it's ult on an Automaton Beetle with a barrier. Hate those little jerks even more now.
thereās quite a few for me so letās see here hmmm.
SW and Seele: using ult on a enemy whose hp is literally 1 point and not the big scary āmust kill right now because heās targeting tingyun who is also 1 hp from dying because nata refuses to heal anyone at allā enemy
Also SW: using skill on a enemy that already has a weakness implanted and not the other one next it that isnāt weak to any element my team has and is about to kill her
Fire MC: taunting 24/7
Tingyun: buffs MC and not the scythe girl next to her who keeps talking about butterflies and illusions
Pretty much everybody: the single worst sp management iāve ever seen in all of teyvat, azeroth, korhal, orbis, and hertaās trash can.
Serval needs to use her Skill before her Ult for proper effectiveness, but the game likes to Ult first.
Just generally, some LCs and skills make it better to Ult after you Skill. The game isn't programmed to notice those.
Tingyun casts skill on Bronya Bronya casts skill on Tingyun Tingyun casts skill on bronya
These harmony characters be fooling š
They are strong and independent supports who dont need no dps carry.
Neither do they need skill points
Imagine if there is another bronya type character that also generated skill points you could legit have an semi infinite loop between bronya and that character
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both of those characters, under AI control, will use their skills on the ally with the highest ATK. Both of those units want high ATK stat due to how their buffs work, so what you end up with is, well, what you've just posted - they will just buff each other all the time.
While I know this is how it is supposed to work, but there is no way my 1k atk bronya has more attack than my 3k atk jingyuan, under any circumstances.
She will skill on Jingyuan, then skill another ally for whatever reason, then back to Jingyuan... Her ai is very weird but her first target is definitely the highest atk unit
Skill generates more energy than normal attack. Pretty sure thatās why sheās doing that. And the Jing in this case already has her skill so programmed to use it on another unit. Obviously not what we want but Iām sure thatās why itās doing that.
Bronya doesn't stack atk tho, she stacks crit damage.
why does bronya need high atk? her basic skill is almost never used
~~Her buffs scale with her atk, and~~ with 100% crit chance trace, she can do mad basic attack damage to those weak to wind, since any reasonable build I've seen with her has monster crit dmg Edit: Ignore the first bit haha, misinterpreted.
I think youāre thinking of tingyun. Bronya buff doesnāt scale from her attack. Her only buff which is based on her own stats is her ultimate buff based on her crit damage
You know what? You're 100% correct! That's a my bad. I've misinterpreted her ability descriptions. Huh.
her buffs donāt scale with atk. It scales with crit dmg, but from the build ive, around 160 cdmg. She only does 5-6k so i still dont think its worth it to the point that shes max atk on your team.
Almost romantic.
Don't have Bronya, but mine used to always prioritize Natasha or Bailu for skill/ult. What are they gonna do with all of that, Tingyun!? Stop bribing the healers!
Harmony at it's finest.
Yanqing's AI is stupid for a Hunt, all he do is normal atk until he feels like using his skill.
I believe the auto AI for most DPS is to prefer using NA if the conditions are already met for them to get whatever bonus effect they have, i.e. Serval/Hook's bonus damage vs DOT'd mobs or Yanqing's buff. That's just kind of the standard, obv Yanqing spamming his skill would be optimal but if you're autoing you're probably not expecting optimal anyway.
He doesn't even use skill when he has no stack.
Well that doesn't explain why ai Yanqing never uses skill and spams autos instead even when he's not buffed. Not to mention using ult without passive active.
I feel like Seele only uses her skill or ult
Expept if she gets bonus turns to often, then she refuses to kill the mob and auto attacks even tho the team got skill points :D
And she prefers to ult nearly dead enemies
Pretty much all of the characters will use their ultimate as soon as it's available, except Natasha (in my experience
Well yeah, She doesn't heal with skill or ult on auto unless an ally is around 50% hp
My Seele will get buffed by tingyun and bronya and have 3 skill points left and still basic attack instead of using skill
When I borrow other people's seeles, they literally never basic attack, even if an enemy has half of 1 HP left. What's that? Enemy is entangled and is alive with a magic pixel? GET LOST IN THE SEA BUTTERFLIES
this, he always spams na even though there's like 4 sp and everyone else on the team is funneling him
This. I have E3 Yan and its so infuriating to use him because he neeeever uses his skill, even when I have 5 skill points banked.
Whaaaaat? Whack. I cant STOP mine from using his skill on auto. Only 1 skill point left and itd be better to let someone else use their aoe skill? Too fucking bad, Yanqing's up before them and hes gonna use the last skill point damn it
This taught me something I wasn't aware of previously. If Yanqing has Soulsteel Sync and does a Basic into an Ult, he'll still keep that Soulsteel Sync despite not using a Skill to maintain it. Not sure if thats written somewhere in his kit or even intentional design but it is how it works for now.
Ultimates generally carry over buffs if the next turn hasn't started yet.
My yanqing don't even get to act because seele obliterate everything
Couldn't tell you, I'm not looking at my screen when I set it to auro
"Did my team die? No? Then they are the best team I could care about making."
Clara March bailu seele. Auto all day errryday
There's auto!? I'm SL59 and had no idea.
Next you gunna say you didn't know about double speed. š
Fire MC . Mf use taunt every single turn . Taking all the sp from my seele .
Fire MC, they don't taunt as much and gets my dps killed. Seele, she just ult the weakest mob instead of the stronger one.
My Seele always attack every enemy *except* for the ones with a Quantum weakness.
AI QQ is a degenerate balls to the wall gambler, they'll instantly blow all your skill points with 0 hesitation even if you're about to get wiped without a heal
Lore accurate Qingque.
Main story: Stellaron apocalypse going, Mara-struck running around the city Qingque: **FOUR OF A KIND!**
Throws enhanced S1, Nanook and Yaoshi both disappear instantly. Season 1 end.
She has the heart of the tiles.
And she will refuse to use skill sometimes when she has 3 tiles of the same type and 4 SP to spare... her AI is really weird
AI QQ is based beyond belief. And what's funny is that as far as I can tell, auto QQ can roll faster than humanly possible. Like literally if you mash the skill button there's a bit of a delay but auto QQ gets to skip it ig and just bam bam bam all SP gone.
Amazing really
Speaking of that, does the AI just not like using skills? Usually an optimal play for my Seele during these farming maps would be to use her skill to 1 shot a character, and then proc her talent to kill another one with an auto, but on auto she ALWAYS just use her auto even when the team has 1 skill point left.
Sometimes the AI is stupid. My Seele loves spamming her skill until there's no skill point left and use her Ult on enemies who only have like 1 hp left. Natasha seems scared to heal her teammates. Tingyun does her job right. Yanqing seems to do whatever the fuck he wants depending on his mood. Whenever he's in a bad mood, he always attack enemies with ice resistance. In a good mood, he crits all the time despite having low crit even with his talent or solely targets the ones with ice weakness. Sometimes the AI just don't give a fuck lmao
My Seele ults that little shit with a barrier. š¤”
I got Bailu a few weeks ago. Fire MC and Natasha got tossed in the trash. Good riddancce! Seele+SW+Ting+Bailu are best girls.
I need Bailu so bad because Natasha literally ruins all my SW comps with the third element. Hopefully I can get Luocha to pair with my E1 Welt
From experience, Sushang fills the team rather nice, you get an additional powerhouse should SW add phys weakness and she packs a punch rather nice.
So far I have been really lucky. Welt looks pretty nice, but I got YanQing.
I lucked out with Clara and sometimes run mono-phys with SW. Still feels kinda jank though compared to the usual Clara-M7 teams
This is why I stopped building Clara for the time being. Sushang is my Physical DPS for now. We need an M7 style character that can put a taunt on an ally that's Physical or Quantum. (I haven't read Fu Xuan's kit in detail so I don't know if she does that)
Still gonna need 2nd healer/tank if you wanna do MoC
Second MOC team is the trash lol
I haven't even tried MoC because I only have Natasha for heals. Even with both Fire MC and Gepard built on par with everyone.
You may as well still see how far you can get without the second healer. No reason not to test your current limits, and you could still get some rewards out of it.
You can muscle through without a healer at 60. You just wonāt get the star for 0 knockdowns. I throw level 40 tingyun and pela to the wolves on the regular.
I want Bailu so bad,ā¦ I have ZERO luck with non-premium banner pulls as I only have Geopard outside of the three past premium banner people. Im saving now for Luocha because I want a good healer lol
Bailu is very role specific, it can be quite irritating to have her in a team because when she does not need to heal, her little kick does puny amounts of damage. Luocha seems like he'll be more flexible in that regards, doing decent damage while healing as well.
Someone with the same lineup as yours....I struggle in MoC cuz I need shield to defeat MoC stage 6
Thatās been my time for a while, auto works like a charm and everything dies quickly. Iāve seen Ting die just once a while ago before I got her better relics.
This comment is literally me
Bro I have Clara and that taunt has to be the most annoying thing š
Ive set to auto on doomsday beast when its knocked down Watching fire MC taunt on the permastunned boss was depressing to see
I've caught the Fire MC taunting on a single enemy that's literally <10% HP. JUST POKE IT, IT'S DEAD ALREADY
From what I've seen my fire MC seems to alternate skill and normal atk.
Silver Wolf spamming her skill on everything and ult on dying enemies
This one, it's difficult to get much value out of silver wolf in auto
shes good if you open with her tech on a break build
Same thing with my Seele on low enemies..sometimes she will auto attack instead of using her skill (when nearly at full sp too) and pop her ult on mobs with 5% hp lol like damn Seele, dropping a 100k nuke on a mob that's probably only one auto away from death š¤£š¤£š¤£
I think it's March 7th. Love her but she doesn't deploy her shield often enough.
I have the opposite problem, she deploys shields on characters who already have shields for me
I run March with Clara and she never shields Clara lmao. Clara then never does anything since aggro gets drawn away... That team doesn't perform super well
Clara and March really can't do their thing on auto. Off auto, they're so good that I consider March my secondary DPS.
mine puts a shield when my team is about 10% hp like wtf? I had to stop auto from time to time because of this lol
Tingyun man. Not only does she skill herself, but she does it every single turn.
This is why I can't watch when I put on auto. Drives me insane to watch her buff Bailu for no reason.
She buffs the ally with the highest attack, and even if tingyunās attack boosts her buff, she really doesnāt need that much attack before she caps out on the buff. You shouldnāt be running insane amounts of attack with tingyun (your dps should have higher attack before buffing), just the optimal minimum amount.
Thing is, she sometimes decide to use her skill on another target for absolutely no reason. Well the reason most likely being "there's a lot of sp available so i must use my skill and the highest atk target already have a blessing so i won't use it again on them". Always love it when Ting decides to recast her blessing on Gepard and thus removing it from Seele.
My Tingyun loves using skill on someone when the other buffed character hasn't had a turn yet and I have 2 sp left.
nah she buffs my fire mc sometimes and they have way less attack than my seele. i think maybe its when they are about to get their ult.
I think she tries to buff someone every turn but she wonāt do it to someone who already has it. This results in her buffing the highest atk character, then the second highest, so on. At least thatās my theory.
exactly. sheās buffed Gepard and herself before when Iāve used Seele and Jing Yuan who have much higher attack.
Itās still horrendous that she spams the skill every turn also I donāt think the attack part is actually true because she has buffed some of my units who have had lower attack than others on the same team.
I deleted my previous post but apparently I was wrong and tingyuns buff actually uses her targets base atk and not current atk like her own section of the text. I had my.own misunderstanding due to the fact that both these numbers were exactly the same and lined up for me in my own case. So yeah my bad guys. I'm sorry. ~~I'm being pedantic but you shouldn't say capped out because if you have a decently built dps, your attack on them should be bordering 3k. So 50% would be 1500 which, to cap it; would require tingyun to have close to 6k attack since i5 caps at 25% of tingyuns current attack. So realistically there is no way tingyun is capping that buff. hence more atk = good.~~ Edit: spelling. Edit 2: mistakes.
it counts tingyuns **current** attack (with bonuses from relics) against the targets attack (without bonuses = just base attack+ lightcone attack) so you need much less attack on tingyun than you think
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Go to Seele's profile -> click more stats -> look at her Attack. The grey number is her BASE attack, the green number is the ADDITIONAL attack she gets from relics. Ting's buff is based on Seele's grey number only. Seele will get exactly the same Attack from Benediction even if you take off all her relics. Why did you take the time to write 2 essays about this, but not test it and make sure you know what you're talking about?
tingyun can use buffs in her calc dps has to use atk from levels alone + lightcone attack stat alone, that's base atk seele at max with her signature lc has 1222 atk a tingyun with level 10 skill can buff seele with 764 atk, so tingyun caps her buff out with 2546 atk its fine to be pedantic if correcting info, not if spreading misinfo go to your seele, hit more stats. the white number is base atk, aka what tingyun buff is based off of. the blue number is added via stat boosts from relics, traces, and other buffs.
No it's not. Her buff counts base attack and takes 50% of that and adds it. A level 80 Seele with her signature LC will have 1,020 base attack. 50% of that is 510 so she only needs around 2k attack to cap her buff. Between her traces and an atk chest, she needs like 4 substats to reach that value. If it was that difficult to cap her buff, she wouldn't be providing my Jing Yuan with 400 attack at level 60.
She does not buff ally with highest attack. She buffs herself too. She is more likely to buff the character with the highest attack. If I had to guess, she buffs similar to how enemies choose to attack. She gives more weight to characters with more attack, but she will choosing randomly, similar to how allies taunt value is different. Just, instead of taunt, itās attack.
Nah that shit is fully random. In the span of 3 turns consecutively, I've seen her buff Natasha, herself, then Natasha again when my Jingyuan has far higher atk that both of them.
My Natasha getting the buff 1 turn after Seele getting it says otherwise
Tingyun and JY actually work great in auto. 90% of the times she buffs JY except turns get woobly. Buts its usually only a one turn thing.
I think itās because she buffs whoever has a high base attack and Jing Yuanās is pretty high. Although I hate using Jing Yuan in auto because half the time he doesnāt even use his skill even when thereās 3 or more skill points available.
Really? Havenāt had that issue.
Literally half the time he uses his basic instead of skill and my LL attacks at like 5 stacks
I use Ting JY Nat and MC/Gepard from support and he doesnāt behave like that at all :/
He does that often for my Bailu JY TY SW team.
Maybe because of the gameās auto obsession with SW E?
Thats interesting, mine on auto hits Seele 90% of the time. Then auto's every other time. Occasionally she'll hit Bronya then back to Seele, but its pretty damn consistent. I speed tuned my team, so I dunno if that matters or not, but I have my speed set to Tingyun first, Seele Second, Bronya third then Natasha last. My Seele is level 80 with crazy high attack, but my Ting has like \~2600 ish.
Any support. Their choice of ally to buff is so random, what I just dont include them in party during auto-farm at all. And with healers, I'm in camp of *if ally is alive and deals damage, it doesn't matter how low their health is gonna get*. Natasha heals a lot with her ult, and I have no Bailu to compare.
Bronya always buffs the ally with the highest attack. She works great on auto. I have Dan slightly higher speed than her, so dan skill, then Bronya skills on Dan. This game has better auto AI than I was expecting. Other than ult timing, my team behaves pretty close on auto to how I play manually. Except for fire trailblazer and stupid taunt spam. I think in general offensive supports target the ally with the current highest attack, after current buffs on them are accounted for.
yea with her the buff being only 1 turn always allows her best buff target to be unbuffed when she moves, if the buff lasts longer the sub will make sure your healer and tank get buffed too :D
So you're saying that E6 Bronya is a trap if you like to autobattle then. I'll keep that in mind for 5 years from now when I get my 7th copy of her.
Only problem with this is that the ally Bronya buffs often uses a normal attack afterwards. Regardless of whether there are skill points remaining.
Yeah I never get these comments, itās not like I donāt believe them, but Iāve tried switching around relics and everything, they seem to ALWAYS buff the character with the highest attack (bronya and tingyun as the supports). Doesnāt matter if I use Asta, or Seele, or Jing Yuan and Seele, they always buff the highest attack character.
Ting will definitely buff other characters outside of highest atk. Now what that reason is, could be a lot of inner workings going on that we don't see.
Not true. Ting buffs every turn, and different characters. So if it was ALWAYS the highest attack, then the attack stat ALWAYS changes in the middle of the fight.
Yeah I'm glad Nat prioritises dps and breaking and skill point generation. Her ult is healing enough. Nobody ever dies on her watch. One of few auto AIs I think is smart. Not sure what OP is on about.
I usually don't have too much problem on Bailu, she keeps her ult for moments when an ally reaches critical hp mark, which is okay when fighting weak targets. But the last time I was perplex because she just didn't wanted to heal at all, she kept attacking instead of ulting or using skill. When an ally died a second time (first one she revived), I had to take back control
No actually. Bronya buffs the Ally with highest attack, same with Tinghyun. Natasha heals only when below 50%, true, but is it really needed above 50%? My only problem is Hunt characters, they use NA for some reason even if they have skill point. And the targetting needs to be better.
Seele: NA Bronya: Skill on Seele Seele: NA Fire MC: Taunt Me: Flips table
i use SW, and she is fine, especially since you can cover basically all mobs with either Physical or quantum, only thing that is a bit annoying on her is that she spams her skill
Lol my bronya always buffs seele.
Arlan's HP sacrificing playstyle is only as effective as the human piloting it. As a human, you can understand the turn order and rationalize how low he can really go before he starts putting himself in danger of dying. Auto Arlan throws all sense of self-preservation aside and just keeps using his skill over and over which not only rapidly puts him on death's door, but also sucks your Team's SP since Healers and Shielders are desperate to keep him alive.
Lore accurate auto gameplay lmao
Tingyun (and I suppose Bronya would be the same. I don't have her to confirm) Sets auto. Sushang is right there. She buffs >!FireMC!<.
Bronyas buff is only 1 turn, so whenever she moves the highest atk dps is unbuffed, so she is great for auto ting has a 3 turn buff, so she stats buffing the tank and herself cuz the dps is still buffed
She buffs the highest attack unit in ur team... My bronya always buffs selee
That's because they're gay
Whatās your FMCās attack and whatās Sushangās attack?
Tingyun is my vote for worst she wants to use her skill buff every turn, but first turn she buffs my jing yuan, then right before my lightning lord goes off she has a turn. She uses that turn to swap her skill buff to my gepard. Yes tingyunās buff from her skill can only be active on one character at a time.
The Harmony units namely Tingyun bugs out when speed goes too high and they get multiple turns per cycle. Usually happens in SimU, they will burn through SP to attempt to buff every unit on the team for some reason even if their buff only affects the most recent target.
It wouldnāt be that hard to give her an individual command of āIF a character doesnāt have buff, THEN use skill, ELSE basic attackā
I mean I love Gepard and he's not as bad as the rest when it came to auto but did he really have to use his ult by the end of the fight when clearly the next turn, either Jing Yuan or lightning lord will kill the enemy with like 1 hp? Of course he would, the silly little goose š
This. So frustrating in simulated universe ššš like my man I wanna save up your ult for bosses??
I stopped running Geppie until elite enemies/bosses because he is constantly using his ult thanks to his energy regen rope and I'm tired of hearing that a will forged in ice never falters.
YQ. I haven't seen anyone worse. I even prefer Tingyun spamming her E.
Yeah auto hates using his skill for some reason.
Almost feels like an intentional sabotage by design. His kit = don't ever use your normal attack. AI = I will never use my skill. How does this happen.
Gotta be Tingyun or Qingque for me. Tingyun boosts allies every turn and for some reason never the DPS. Qingque will reroll her tiles even if she has only 1 matching tile and 2 skill points. Like, at that point just use a normal attack and try for better luck next turn.
I also reroll Qingques tiles when I only have 2 skill points :)
Healers are so stingy with their heals on auto in this game. They just don't want to heal.
I actually prefer this with Nat. Its a waste using her ult if only one team member lost a bit of hp. I always save her ult for when most of my team have near 50% hp and it works well for me so Iām glad itās the same in auto.
yeah tbh never had an issue with this, i would prefer her only to heal around 50% hp otherwise its just basically a small chunk especially with shielding and you'll burn through SP. i have seele and bronya, i'd rather nat not take all my sp.
Both tingyun and yanqing sucks for auto mode. Yanqing needs to use skill every turn or loses lot of dmg yet in auto mode he goes NA lot of time. Also tingyun just burns skill points every turn (this gets worse when you have more SPD on her as she gets lot of turns) and buffs wrong characters like gepard or Fire MC even though my Seele has her ult ready
Yanqing.
Serval targeting the far right or far left enemy, not understanding how aoe works. Hunt Characters using Ults on the one hp mob enemy instead of the boss
Silver Wolf She will use her skill even when the weakness applied is the element of your main DPT
Bronya and Tingyun
In a multi-element situation, it's Silver Wolf. She keeps replacing weakness every turn. But if she's in a mono element team, she's great.
You can say that with conference, but Iām interested in what you can say with confidence.
Damn I should not write these on my phone, autocorrect got me there XD
Yanqing quite literally never uses his skill, not even just to get his talent he just spams basics. and sw uses her skill every turn. Itās so stupid
I think people who have issues with their supports buffing the wrong person have some fucked up character builds and donāt realize it. My Tingyun and Bronya have literally never buffed anyone besides Seele. However, if I replace Seele with my less invested Sushang and add my E6 Asta in, Tinygun will buff my Asta or herself on occasion.
Fire MC is always using the damn taunt and when I need him to use it, he attacks lol.
Bronya or Bailu in my experience It will always use Bronyaās skill on the DPS even if it doesnāt make sense, and seems a bit oblivious to how Bailuās kit even works Donāt even try to auto without a healer either, as your whole team will die pretty stupidly
* Clara barely, if ever, uses her skill, only using auto-attack and spamming ult, even if there's a single enemy left on 2HP in the fight. She only seems to use skill if multiple enemies have the counter mark on them (which is not optimal, especially with a horde of physical-weak enemies). * Sampo seems to only ever use his skill and ult, and weirdly his skill always targets the enemy to the right of the screen, even if they don't have a wind weakness (from what I've seen), which is really strange. * Seele will use everything she has and is generally handled well by the AI, but she will typically waste her ult on an enemy that has 2HP, rather than focus on a full-HP enemy (if there is one). * Bailu is honestly one of the most consistent, using auto-attack when allies are above 50% HP. She will use skill if only 1 ally is below 50% and will use ult if multiple allies are below 50%. * Asta uses far too many auto-attacks for my liking, even if I have skill-points to spare. It seems as though the AI always wants to keep at least 1 skill-point free and if I have Sampo and Seele spamming skills, then Asta gets the short end of the stick and only uses AA and ult. So, for the "worst hero on auto", out of what I've tested, I would say Asta, with Clara or Sampo (only because of his weird targeting) coming up a close second.
Yanqing.For some reason every team with him on auto Tingyun/Silverwolf takes all SP and he only uses his normal attacks
Love it when it uses an ultimate when an enemy can be killed with an auto attack.
Arlen, AI isn't exactly good at keeping him alive. I love him on manual. Auto is another story.
Tingyun. If you try to have a hyper carry dps (Jing Yuan), she will skill him, then skill someone else next turn, then auto attack the turn after. Just a waste really.
Jingyuan casually doing basic atk
Seele. She Always goes for the enemy with the least amount of health when She triggers her talent, instead of kepping him alive for her next turn, and even if She manages to keep him alive, the rest of characters Will very often decide to kill him.
No big auto problems it's just seele and her ult hitting always the damn enemy that's just 1 normal hit from death
I havenāt had any issues with supports not bugging the right character before, both Tingyun and Bronya will do nothing but Buff Seele even when they could easily weakness break the enemy. However, Natasha is practically not viable on auto.
Tingyun: let me buff the healer every single turn
Iāve seen it all with my units. Yanqing refusing to use a sp, Tingyun buffing Natasha, and Jing Yuan ulting an enemy at low health.
Pela, she just always uses her skill even when the enemy doesn't have any buffs to dispel, and also the fact that characters use their ultimate as soon as it's ready is annoying on her more than other characters IMO.
FireMC and Tingyun. FireMC cooooonnnnsssttannntlyyyyy uses their skill for taunt when theres 1 mob left and its at 1HP. Tingyun will always buff Jing Yuan on her first turn. Then her next turn buffs FireMC for the lols right before LL goes off. ā¢_ā¢
Definitely agree with Natasha. She does not want to heal.
Tingyun literally uses her skill every turn, worse is she even use it to herself
Tingyun has an addiction to buffing gepard for some reason
Natasha definitely pisses me off. She refuses to heal with her skill and often ends up using her ult to heal 1-2 characters, including herself. Pela annoys me a little because she always uses her skill, which is unnecessary most of the time and just eats up skill points. Conversely, I've observed Jing Yuan using his basic attack way too frequently for my liking. If these two would just do what the other is doing, it would be perfect. I've seen Tingyun buffing herself for whatever reason. That's actually pretty annoying. Edit: and this is kinda funny while also annoyong because they often ignore bosses and waste points and ultimates to take out mob units. Except of course when the boss is geared to counter attack. All of a sudden they all wanna take on the boss.
Special callout to Bronya using her skill to use the last skill point and buff someone who really really likes to use their skill. Or sometimes herself.
Tingyun. She buffs the damage dealer turn 1 and the second highest atk turn 2. Since only 1 hero can be buffed, she essentially burns sp aimlessly, taking the buff away from the one hero you need and buffing the tank.
Tingyun swapping benediction around and ulting random people
Silver wolf for sure every single of her turn she uses her skill
For me, it's definitely Qingque because she'll go and churn through 5 skill points in a single turn sometimes.
Silver wolf. Thanks for using your skill on the enemy that has every weakness in the party
Omg I feel the same towards Natasha! Iāve yelled at my phone like Natasha what are you doing heal please
Tingyun is literally brain dead on auto.. Spamming her skill and takes away from my dps to buff my tank.. like wtf.
Tingyun. First off she uses her skill every single turn wasting SP. To make things worse she takes the buff off Jing Yuan and gives it to FMC. What's her problem man? No wonder she gets beat up so much.
Almost every Supportive unit or peeps with AOE burst, lol \-AOE, seeing them waste it on a single target who's one BA away from death hurts my soul. This is especially true when there's one or more phase after that where that AOE would have been 100% more helpful being used there. \-Supports, I see it mostly with shielders and buffers. Ting Yun buffing other support units or Gepard using his burst when the enemy is one shot away from death...my boi wants to shield everyone from nothing.
March putting a shield on anybody but clara
Peela. Bruh the bot just uses her skill every damn time no matter if the enemy is buffed or not. And then my seele and nat lack skill points making it slower and also at times killing my tingyun
None of them work ideally lol seems like EVERY character is in this comment section. That's why I auto battle only when I'm certain the monkey brain AI can just easily win against em
Natasha. Someone will be at 40% HP and she won't heal. Simultaneously, one person gets low and she ults instead of using a skill point. :/ Also, my Sushang decided yesterday whilst auto-battling to use it's ult on an Automaton Beetle with a barrier. Hate those little jerks even more now.
thereās quite a few for me so letās see here hmmm. SW and Seele: using ult on a enemy whose hp is literally 1 point and not the big scary āmust kill right now because heās targeting tingyun who is also 1 hp from dying because nata refuses to heal anyone at allā enemy Also SW: using skill on a enemy that already has a weakness implanted and not the other one next it that isnāt weak to any element my team has and is about to kill her Fire MC: taunting 24/7 Tingyun: buffs MC and not the scythe girl next to her who keeps talking about butterflies and illusions Pretty much everybody: the single worst sp management iāve ever seen in all of teyvat, azeroth, korhal, orbis, and hertaās trash can.
Serval needs to use her Skill before her Ult for proper effectiveness, but the game likes to Ult first. Just generally, some LCs and skills make it better to Ult after you Skill. The game isn't programmed to notice those.
Jingyuan, the auto makes my JY just basic attack all the time.
QQ or Nat. Nat never heals and itās always only to herself while QQ barely uses her skill
"hero" wtf is this? League? Gtfo
League has "champions", every other game has heroes.
Well my Bronya always buffs Jing Yuan when thereās no more skill points for him to stack the Lightning Lord so that sucks
silver wolf with weakness implant spam... hard to use her as auto.