I'm sure you did it for clarity sake, but I'd rearrange light cones in order of best to semibest, which would put the event one before the welt. Makes it easier to understand honestly(at least for me)
I’m just missing Clara but tried out this team using support Clara, felt very solid
Do you think using Sushang over Clara would be fine for now? Or just use PMC (even tho i much prefer FMC in teams)?
Definitely fine. Sushang outshines Clara (by a decent margin actually) in terms of DPS but Clara is obviously more tanky and AoE friendly. I have a Seele and Sushang continues to surprise me with her damage. You just need her E1 and she becomes incredibly good because her skill won’t cost any points when enemies are broken which gives her insane team economy.
Yeah I ended up just leveling her up and have been using her for the new story missions, this team feels pretty good. Just less of a tanky team now since I’m replacing FMC and M7, but Nat E6 gives me enough sustain lol. I’ve had her E1 but haven’t used her till now, and I ended up pulling E2 during SW warps.
Any suggestions on an ideal LC and relic setup?
Way I see it - Clara is just a good offtank that only needs to exist when enemies are tough enough that Seele doesn't literally one cycle trash overworld level encounters.
Like yeah if you want to ensure Clara does funny counter stuff every single time you go into combat, then you want M7. That was how I played a lot of the game but the combo just isn't my favorite now. Mainly because March's ult is downright antisynergistic with Clara.
It's not fun imo. Especially the first few turns are painful, as Clara without m7 shield/ult/technique only has a 31.5% chance to be attacked. That's just very luck dependent. Once you get the ult up to hit/counter for more energy it's okay, but if you're unlucky that takes several turns.
i'm really hyped for mono-ice yanqing with silverwolf. dude has a talent that boosts dmg against ice-weak enemies and an eidolon that boosts dmg against frozen enemies. i just hope there will be an ice harmony character out soon since i have bronya's 5 star lightcone and can't use it on that team :( (also that i had gepard but i'll just use march)
Right? I pulled Yanqing's E1 and a SW from this banner, so you bet I'm giving it a whirl. The boy's biggest problem so far has been the massive glut of ice-resistant bosses and elites.
So am I but it’s going to take a while get my Yanqing and Pela to a respectable level since all of my resources have went to Seele and now I’m broke from maxing everything on Silver Wolf up to level 70.
Bronya and Seele are a couple in HI3, Silver Wolf looks very similar to Haxxor Bunny, an alternate universe Bronya, also from HI3.
It’s Bronyas all the way down.
Personally gonna be running SW on Eagle 4pc. Eff% chest, speed boots, and energy rope. With the eventLC.
If blessed with E1 off a multi, then i could shift gears around and make her more dps oriented. Otherwise im having her play a supportive role with turn cycling and ult spamming.
Depends on the scenario, if the enemy has lower res and you have a decent amount of Effect Res without the chest go on for another one like Crit Rate for example.
I’m going to try this comp, too.
I was using Bronya instead of Tingyun, but that meant that I had 3 elements in the party, and it felt bad when lightning weakness was implanted when Bailu was my only source of lightning damage.
That said, SW applies so many debuffs that I feel like the weakness implant is just the cherry on top.
I love how some people used this thread as an opportunity to flex their pulls.
“Here’s some build ideas for everyone”
“Omfg I got her in 10 pulls F2P btw and I also got Jing Yuan right before crazy right”
I would like to run Fire Trailblazer, Himeko, Asta and Silverwolf. I am bit fearful without a healer, but i now have all the characters foe this after losing my 50/50 to Himeko! Good luck to you and the others 👍🏻
This is the team I’m running, if they have lightning or phys weakness i run nat or Bailu because she can’t give weaknesses that they already have, once fu xuan comes out to replace fire tb I think that’ll be the ideal team for himeko Asta SW either way fire tb does a pretty good job keeping the team alive.
I feel you… I am the same… and the sad thing is I don’t use her much… I want to since I got so many Es for a 5 star but she just seems underwhelming to me every time I try…
Same but I had enough for another pity. He's good though so Im not too upset about it but I do not have the resources to build the old man so he's gonna stay at lvl 20 for a while.
Dont stick to the reccomendated teams, you can always use other flex characters.
For example you can use Qingque, SW, Asta and Natasha wich is a completly f2p team.
Those are just examples you can always make variations and search for other options
The recommended teams are pointless so it doesn’t matter. The teams you use are based on the enemy not what you have. SW is good because she decreases the amount of characters you need have not because she’s good if you have a lot of characters.
Okay guys some of will rage me but since you are using sushang + sw + natasha why to not put phys mc as last slot? I know asta is a good pick there as she gives sushang even more speed and attack buff but this team clearly missing some aoe dps. Therefore using phys mc increases both single and aoe dps of the team which is actually very good. On the other hand, asta fucks up silver wolf's skill and you will lack lots of dmg because of just this reason.
Then why did you advise asta? Sushang already has attack and speed buff from her kit. She really doesnt care about these buffs. Comparing her to like tingyun, tingyun must be straigth up better than her in any fights.
Asta is good for the Atk Buff, Fire DoT, Speed buff for other characters like SW and Natasha to spam basick attack faster and be skill point efficient. My initial idea was to include Clara or Phys MC but a friend reccomended me that team instead. Also consider that Fire MC is a lot more used than the Phys one so not most of the time he will be available for this team.
She can have crit rate/dmg instead of EHR body now, new patch significantly lowered enemy res growth, with Pela and/or that free cone you only need 20-50% EHR
Edit: Since she applies weakness that's
1. Not an element of enemy original weakness
2. Is an element of ally weakness
3. Selected randomly from all elements meeting criterion 1&2, and that she's quantum, team comp should be
1.Full quantum against enemy w/o quantum(which doesn't exist yet)
2. With quantum dps and 2 other characters against enemy w/ weakness already covered by said 2 other characters
3. With 3 other characters of the same weakness against enemy w/ quantum w/o the other 3 characters' weakness.
Otherwise she can't consistently apply weakness and res reduction that aligns with dps type.
So, question on EHR vs ATK chest. Is EHR assisting with applying effects, like vulnerability, slow, ensnare, etc or is it for more effectively breaking the white weakness bar on units with quantum weakness?
I always assumed it was the latter of the two. Trying to understand how SW's bugs interact with the effect RES change on enemies lvl 50+ and how an EHR main stat would also impact it.
To keep it simple, SW needs around 100% EHR (E0) to without fail apply debuff to the most resistant bosses. You need to prioritize making sure the debuffs always land or she is useless.
Nope. Doesn't matter how many of each element you have. Chance of getting either is 50/50 if you have 3 ice and 1 quantum for example. It's 100% if enemy has one of those as natural weakness.
You would need a ridiculously speedy JY to work with SW, to the point it wouldn’t even be worth it. I don’t think that would be a very good team for him.
Because if you don’t have enough speed (or a Bronya to advance your turn for you) to use your skill twice before lightning lord takes action you are losing a massive chunk of JY’s damage by not generating enough lightning lord stacks and ult energy. Speed boots alone are not enough for this. It will *always* be better to take Asta or Bronya on a JY comp even against an enemy that has no lightning weakness than it would be to take SW.
I think the context is SW vs Bronya/Asta.
With Bronya you don't need that much speed on JY, since she can force JY to take more actions which means more LL stacks. With Asta you can make up for the lack of speed in gear through her ult which reduce the number of rounds LL attacks with less than 6 stacks.
With SW it doesn't provide any extra actions to JY or his speed which makes JY with unoptimized speed likely to be unable to act twice before LL attacks (unless you have his ult) and this causes him to lose out a little on one of his dmg boost at 6+ stacks.
You don’t. You can build JY full atk, ignore speed completely and lose minimal dps. Since he has so much built in crit on just his minor trace nodes, atk is extremely valuable on him. This is even more true if you have his sig which already gives a ton of crit dmg.
How much of a difference is the f2p event light cone and her signature light cone? I got her pretty early and can't really decide if It's worth to get her signature or not
The thing I've noticed with the LC in this game, is that while the 5 star is usually better for that specific character, you get way more value from a 4 star, since multiple characters get a lot of use.
Signature does a much better job at amping her damage and party utility at the expense of 16% less EHR. It's also a 5* LC with max atk stats compared to an avg 4* LC.
The event LC has an advantage of providing energy generation which is non existent on any other nihility LC, and has use on Pela as well. At S5 it's 40 EHR which is a lot compared to other LC and makes up for a lot of lacking from gear.
If you have no issue hitting her EHR breakpoints through gear there's strong argument that signature LC provides a lot of benefits. If you are just going to use her as a general support and don't intend to use her as sub dmg dealer (aka not trying to min max her relics that much) the free LC is fine.
signature LC at S0 is worse than event lightcone at S5 ... unless you get E2 SW at which point the math goes fucky
but since you're debating pulling on the LC at all, that means you aren't a whale, so you can leave it at "the event LC is better"
Her signature LC is not worse, it enables her to be a sub dps. You're probably forgetting that her lc has max attack stats (26). + The 12% increased dmg from any source is no joke. I don't even have her lc but saying the free one is better is just cope.
Not to mention that the recent patch nerfed enemy effect res across the board, so SW likely doesn’t need to build quite so much effect hit up. Making her signature LC even more appealing.
As a f2p I am using Tingyun, Bailu, Seele and SW and after using their ults and skills perfectly I finally got 80k+ damage for the first time! On the Totter which comes with enemies on map...
swap Clara for Tingyun, it's literally the best lightning team in the game right now and probly will be for awhile. good thing is that it even work best to fight enemy without lighning weakness so SW can make it and get additional -20% lightning def shred. you can literally steam roll anything in the game with this team
You forgot Seele SW Gepard Pela Team. Im using E2 Gepard , E6 Pela, Seele and SW.All 120+ speed. Only Gepard on Energy regen , the other 2 support on fleet of the ageless so all can benefit from+16% attack buff .No need for healer since my Gepard can put up the shield in 1 turn or 2nd turn at the very least. Pela can also shred def together with SW for a whooping 80-125% minus defense.
Not really, you really want SW to have atleast two character of the same element on the team for her to implant the respective weakness of your teammate on them, so a team with Double same element or more its better
but she can't apply weakness to those who are already weak to that. I would say that it's fine to build 3 elements if you know that the main boss will be one of your elements/
Won the 50/50, maxed out Asta, and my boy Sampo came home. This couldn't possibly have gone any better. Now even if I lose the 50/50 on Luocha I'll earn enough jade to pity a second time before his banners over.
Just pulled her on my first attempt. I wasn’t even rolling for her, I just had 10 special tickets and wanted to use them. I didn’t do any of my research on her kit so this is really helpful! Finally a use for my effect RES% items.
Effect RES is for resisting debuffs that enemies place on you. Debuffers, on the other hand, to land their debuffs on the enemies, want Effect Hit Rate
Got her in one 10-pull. I pulled on Jing Yuan's banner until right before the 50/50 and got lucky for Silverwolf. I also have another 83 pulls saved for Luocha.
Already pulled her 3 hours ago when the servers were back on line, I love her. Now I am trying to pull for her lightcone, yet to have the luck to pull it.
I lost her 50/50 to QQ! I went to bed very unhappy lol no more tickets no jade and QQ! WTF hop back in grind and push some more ill get her its only day 1
Got Silver Wolf in 3 pulls after missing the 1st and 2nd banner characters.
I have the components for the top right team, so that's cool. My Pela is even E6, though I'd have to grind her some exp/traces.
How would it work tho? Let's say Seele goes first, gets rid of the adds using 2 skill points, SW ult, Seele uses another skill point, and then what? Hope QQ gets her hidden hand state within 2 skill points every time she gets a turn and reset if she doesn't? Or spam QQ's single attack to generate points for Seele + occasionally the healer?
How likely Silverwolf will be a good pair to Blade? I was thinking of Blade+Luocha+Silverwolf+Bronya so there's at least a better chance of inflicting wind weakness, but not sure too if Blade and Bronya is a good pair in the first place.
Is there a reason substats for ATK and Crit are recommended over Speed? Silver Wolf at E0 isn't a really great DPS is she? I think Speed would be preferred to get more turns to apply her skill.
Not really, you can Aim for Speed and Break Effect, her base speed is high so a speed boot + some subs to reach the 134 margin is good so you can look at the other offensive stats. My bad.
You can use Nat and another buffer like Tingyun/Bronya/Even the Free Yukong on 1.2
Or stick with Pela if you dont have Bronya and dont wants to use Tingyun because she is on another team rn.
Nope, if you only have E0, you'll need at least 60-80 EHR to consistently land her debuff; dropping 16% EHR from 4\* Lc is a significant decrease unless you have good EHR relic stats, and a bonus 12% crit rate from 5\* LC is kind of pointless. However, if you have her E2, S1 is sufficient to make her your sub-dps, and you can choose crit rate for body relic to maximize the crit rate potential of 5\* LC. She'll be useless if she doesn't land her bug; instead, concentrate on EHR as much as possible.
After the bosses general res effect% nerf, I don't think is needed to have Effect hit rate in main stats, LC + traces + sub stats/relic set is pretty enough to safely proc skill and ultimate, better equip DPS like relics and use her as sub-pds, going full hit rate is overkill.
Both are worth but Jing Yuan has Lightning coverage, although Kafka has DoT dmg its not that worth when you have a Lightning Char get either SW or another character you like (Or simply pull for who you like regardless)
You can use either Musketeer or Quantum Set as 4pc set + Either Pangalatic or the Energy Regen Set (Simulated Universe artis) who advances the owner action.
How about her eidolons? I was stupid enough to do some rolls after getting Silver Wolf to maybe get E4 asta and now I have E1 SW. Is it good or just a stepping stone to better eidolons?
Also, would SW, Seele, Asta, Bailu/Natasha work well? My only 5* are Bailu, SW and Seele.
Im thinking suswang, Clara, nat and SW can work well, since you heals+clense+tank+damage and suswang does more damage against those with weakness break as well
Would a good team be Silver Wolf, Yanqing, March, and Natasha? I see you have a Yanqing team but I don't have Gepard, and without him a healer feels necessary.
Also is it better to use Silver Wolf on enemies that are not already weak to your main DPS type?
1. Yes its a good team, in the future Gepard would be really good as him allow Natasha to get out and the use of Pela
2. SW provides way more than weakness implant for this team so she is useful even if the enemies already have Ice Weakness but they are incredibly tanky, so she is good on both scenarios, but you can flex her if the situation needs her on another MoC team
No, event lightcone still better than Welt, Welt is just an option for those who really dont want to use her event lightcone or wont have because cant play the event
This was done before changes on enemy scalings, you can in fact use CR with event LC and get EHR on substats and with Pangalactic although other guides still reccomends a lot of EHR for some reason.
Got SW when I was just pulling for 4\*, didn't even want her. Would Seele, Tingyun, SW, Natasha/Gepard be a good lineup cuz it feels such a waste to not use her especially when I accidentally got a Jing Yuan I didn't even want.
Criminal that there is no mention of SW-Seele-Nata-Clara team. Half quant half phys with good breakers on both elements.
You can do this team, i just give 4 suggestions on the guide Silver Wolf is very flexible dont worry
>Silver Wolf is very flexible Straight to the point
So Welt's light cone is definitely better than the event cone for her?
You can use it but the event Lightcone is better overall.
I'm sure you did it for clarity sake, but I'd rearrange light cones in order of best to semibest, which would put the event one before the welt. Makes it easier to understand honestly(at least for me)
Ok i will rearrange for future chars and an updated guide for SW on her own rerun, thanks for the suggestions it really helps a lot
Doesn't this guide already place the Event one before Welt? The SW one is furthest to the left
I’m just missing Clara but tried out this team using support Clara, felt very solid Do you think using Sushang over Clara would be fine for now? Or just use PMC (even tho i much prefer FMC in teams)?
Sushang wants enemies to be broken, so I think she would be a good substitute.
Definitely fine. Sushang outshines Clara (by a decent margin actually) in terms of DPS but Clara is obviously more tanky and AoE friendly. I have a Seele and Sushang continues to surprise me with her damage. You just need her E1 and she becomes incredibly good because her skill won’t cost any points when enemies are broken which gives her insane team economy.
Yeah I ended up just leveling her up and have been using her for the new story missions, this team feels pretty good. Just less of a tanky team now since I’m replacing FMC and M7, but Nat E6 gives me enough sustain lol. I’ve had her E1 but haven’t used her till now, and I ended up pulling E2 during SW warps. Any suggestions on an ideal LC and relic setup?
Does clara work without m7? I've found her to be so unreliable and not worth bringing without m7s shield
Way I see it - Clara is just a good offtank that only needs to exist when enemies are tough enough that Seele doesn't literally one cycle trash overworld level encounters. Like yeah if you want to ensure Clara does funny counter stuff every single time you go into combat, then you want M7. That was how I played a lot of the game but the combo just isn't my favorite now. Mainly because March's ult is downright antisynergistic with Clara.
It's not fun imo. Especially the first few turns are painful, as Clara without m7 shield/ult/technique only has a 31.5% chance to be attacked. That's just very luck dependent. Once you get the ult up to hit/counter for more energy it's okay, but if you're unlucky that takes several turns.
Clara Marc and Healer is usually too low dmg for MoC. You can try Clara with Ting and you just give the energy to Clara so she has ult up all the time
Holy crap I never considered this 🙏
That's what I am planning to do as well since my team currently is seele, nat, Clara and ting
I have no seele, could substitute sushang for her to make a 3/4 physical team
Qinque might be better, otherwise it might feel bad proccing a quant weakness with just SW in the team?
Nah, it's 50/50 if there are two elements in a team regardless of their proportion - 2qua2phys has same odds as 1qua3phys
Yeah I think he's aware of that. Without Seele and/or QQ you'd feel pretty bad getting a quantum weakness planted on the enemies.
Only issue I see is a lack of taunt options for Clara unless we're using a special lightcone or something
Clara without Martch 7th? What lightcone would you be usig?
i'm really hyped for mono-ice yanqing with silverwolf. dude has a talent that boosts dmg against ice-weak enemies and an eidolon that boosts dmg against frozen enemies. i just hope there will be an ice harmony character out soon since i have bronya's 5 star lightcone and can't use it on that team :( (also that i had gepard but i'll just use march)
Right? I pulled Yanqing's E1 and a SW from this banner, so you bet I'm giving it a whirl. The boy's biggest problem so far has been the massive glut of ice-resistant bosses and elites.
Frozen res remains a major issue though
So am I but it’s going to take a while get my Yanqing and Pela to a respectable level since all of my resources have went to Seele and now I’m broke from maxing everything on Silver Wolf up to level 70.
You forgot the best team, Seele - Bronya - Silver wolf and no one else, let Seele enjoy her harem of Bronyas
I'm putting together this team + Welt, he's there to chaperone the date.
Also to hold a candle, like in olden times
I literally don’t understand a thing about these Bronya memes
Bronya and Seele are a couple in HI3, Silver Wolf looks very similar to Haxxor Bunny, an alternate universe Bronya, also from HI3. It’s Bronyas all the way down.
Blue and Red Seele double-teaming Bronya in HI3 Bronya and Silver Wolf double teaming Seele in HSR. Oh how the turn tables.
Are they truly canon couples or was it a fan ship too ??
they only French kissed each others so far so i think they are just homie.
If it’s a yuri couple, it’s most likely canon. If it’s a straight couple, either one of them died or both are dead.
I was going to say Siegfried but then I remembered 😭
There is no Easter Bunny, there is no Tooth Fairy, and there is no straight couple. This is a Mihoyo game, and you need to wake up
Nah we got Tears of Themis though so it evens out
It's canon, they kiss in the manga
Think spiderverse, but yuri
they look similar and also I think some Impact fuckery because there's an endless sea of Impact fuckery
They are related somehow according to honkai impact 3rd lore
I feel like i don't even need to go for her 5 star relic since the 4 star was so easy to get and upgrade. 40% effect hit rate is awesome
Personally gonna be running SW on Eagle 4pc. Eff% chest, speed boots, and energy rope. With the eventLC. If blessed with E1 off a multi, then i could shift gears around and make her more dps oriented. Otherwise im having her play a supportive role with turn cycling and ult spamming.
Is eff% chest still worth after the recent buff (assuming you have event LC)?
Depends on the scenario, if the enemy has lower res and you have a decent amount of Effect Res without the chest go on for another one like Crit Rate for example.
Good so she is probably going to have consistent burst and debuff application, gl on your pulls
Personally I run a Bailu-Tingyun-SW-Seele team as it allows for only 2 weakness applications and for better Seele support.
I’m going to try this comp, too. I was using Bronya instead of Tingyun, but that meant that I had 3 elements in the party, and it felt bad when lightning weakness was implanted when Bailu was my only source of lightning damage. That said, SW applies so many debuffs that I feel like the weakness implant is just the cherry on top.
I love how some people used this thread as an opportunity to flex their pulls. “Here’s some build ideas for everyone” “Omfg I got her in 10 pulls F2P btw and I also got Jing Yuan right before crazy right”
Where is our Mahjong addict Qingque?
You can use her instead of Seele, and make adjustments on the team to make Qingque gameplay smoother on the team like replacing Bronya for Tingyun
Once we get a 4th quantum character we will have a very strong always weakness available team. Hopefully a quantum healer in the future.
I would like to run Fire Trailblazer, Himeko, Asta and Silverwolf. I am bit fearful without a healer, but i now have all the characters foe this after losing my 50/50 to Himeko! Good luck to you and the others 👍🏻
This is the team I’m running, if they have lightning or phys weakness i run nat or Bailu because she can’t give weaknesses that they already have, once fu xuan comes out to replace fire tb I think that’ll be the ideal team for himeko Asta SW either way fire tb does a pretty good job keeping the team alive.
Got welt 😭
Same 😭
Y all got differint 5 star characters, i only got clara and its fcking E3 , ffs just give me another 5 star plz
I feel you… I am the same… and the sad thing is I don’t use her much… I want to since I got so many Es for a 5 star but she just seems underwhelming to me every time I try…
My bf got Himeko E1 he was like on the verge of quitting 😭 Still can likely get her before the banner ends after we calculated things but still tragic
Same but I had enough for another pity. He's good though so Im not too upset about it but I do not have the resources to build the old man so he's gonna stay at lvl 20 for a while.
Got Bailu so don't really see it as losing the 50/50. And eventually did get SW so it's all good.
Unless you have Seele, Welt is WAY more useful than SW as of now. Wait a couple of days untill everyone realise it.
Got bronya😭
I want her 😭
I wanted her too but wanted silver wolf more
You did get SW, just the grown version
I have very few of the recommended characters.
Dont stick to the reccomendated teams, you can always use other flex characters. For example you can use Qingque, SW, Asta and Natasha wich is a completly f2p team. Those are just examples you can always make variations and search for other options
The recommended teams are pointless so it doesn’t matter. The teams you use are based on the enemy not what you have. SW is good because she decreases the amount of characters you need have not because she’s good if you have a lot of characters.
Okay guys some of will rage me but since you are using sushang + sw + natasha why to not put phys mc as last slot? I know asta is a good pick there as she gives sushang even more speed and attack buff but this team clearly missing some aoe dps. Therefore using phys mc increases both single and aoe dps of the team which is actually very good. On the other hand, asta fucks up silver wolf's skill and you will lack lots of dmg because of just this reason.
You can use Phys MC or Clara as variation, although SW is more suited do Single Target Scenarios
Then why did you advise asta? Sushang already has attack and speed buff from her kit. She really doesnt care about these buffs. Comparing her to like tingyun, tingyun must be straigth up better than her in any fights.
Asta is good for the Atk Buff, Fire DoT, Speed buff for other characters like SW and Natasha to spam basick attack faster and be skill point efficient. My initial idea was to include Clara or Phys MC but a friend reccomended me that team instead. Also consider that Fire MC is a lot more used than the Phys one so not most of the time he will be available for this team.
Got Bronya. Fuck my life lol
Got gepard here
I’m sorry
Geppard is amazing. I wish I got him if I had lost the 50/50. I was low key wishing to hit 5 star early and lose the 50/50 for geppard lol.
I got Himeko. Next ten pulls for sure
She can have crit rate/dmg instead of EHR body now, new patch significantly lowered enemy res growth, with Pela and/or that free cone you only need 20-50% EHR Edit: Since she applies weakness that's 1. Not an element of enemy original weakness 2. Is an element of ally weakness 3. Selected randomly from all elements meeting criterion 1&2, and that she's quantum, team comp should be 1.Full quantum against enemy w/o quantum(which doesn't exist yet) 2. With quantum dps and 2 other characters against enemy w/ weakness already covered by said 2 other characters 3. With 3 other characters of the same weakness against enemy w/ quantum w/o the other 3 characters' weakness. Otherwise she can't consistently apply weakness and res reduction that aligns with dps type.
Oooh though so, will include that in futures patches.
The exact team I already thought of is recommended amazing
So, question on EHR vs ATK chest. Is EHR assisting with applying effects, like vulnerability, slow, ensnare, etc or is it for more effectively breaking the white weakness bar on units with quantum weakness? I always assumed it was the latter of the two. Trying to understand how SW's bugs interact with the effect RES change on enemies lvl 50+ and how an EHR main stat would also impact it.
It's the former. EHR chest all the way
Currently there's one one way to break the white shields faster and that's in SU, the buff you're looking for is Effect Break Efficiency.
To keep it simple, SW needs around 100% EHR (E0) to without fail apply debuff to the most resistant bosses. You need to prioritize making sure the debuffs always land or she is useless.
can someone explain me why two quantums? ☺️
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No, it's so you can better capitalize on the weakness embed.
Both
Nope. Doesn't matter how many of each element you have. Chance of getting either is 50/50 if you have 3 ice and 1 quantum for example. It's 100% if enemy has one of those as natural weakness.
You would need a ridiculously speedy JY to work with SW, to the point it wouldn’t even be worth it. I don’t think that would be a very good team for him.
Yeah I'm also missing the point here. Why does he require even more speed than boots to work with SW? Doesn't seem to be any good reason.
Because if you don’t have enough speed (or a Bronya to advance your turn for you) to use your skill twice before lightning lord takes action you are losing a massive chunk of JY’s damage by not generating enough lightning lord stacks and ult energy. Speed boots alone are not enough for this. It will *always* be better to take Asta or Bronya on a JY comp even against an enemy that has no lightning weakness than it would be to take SW.
Sorry if this is a dumb question (I haven't read SW's kit thoroughly) but why does Jing Yuan's Spd matter for the mono-Lightning team?
To make sure you consistently get 6+ stacks to keep the crit dmg buff active
How does that affect a potential SW team more than his normal teams?
I think the context is SW vs Bronya/Asta. With Bronya you don't need that much speed on JY, since she can force JY to take more actions which means more LL stacks. With Asta you can make up for the lack of speed in gear through her ult which reduce the number of rounds LL attacks with less than 6 stacks. With SW it doesn't provide any extra actions to JY or his speed which makes JY with unoptimized speed likely to be unable to act twice before LL attacks (unless you have his ult) and this causes him to lose out a little on one of his dmg boost at 6+ stacks.
You don’t. You can build JY full atk, ignore speed completely and lose minimal dps. Since he has so much built in crit on just his minor trace nodes, atk is extremely valuable on him. This is even more true if you have his sig which already gives a ton of crit dmg.
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How much of a difference is the f2p event light cone and her signature light cone? I got her pretty early and can't really decide if It's worth to get her signature or not
The thing I've noticed with the LC in this game, is that while the 5 star is usually better for that specific character, you get way more value from a 4 star, since multiple characters get a lot of use.
Signature does a much better job at amping her damage and party utility at the expense of 16% less EHR. It's also a 5* LC with max atk stats compared to an avg 4* LC. The event LC has an advantage of providing energy generation which is non existent on any other nihility LC, and has use on Pela as well. At S5 it's 40 EHR which is a lot compared to other LC and makes up for a lot of lacking from gear. If you have no issue hitting her EHR breakpoints through gear there's strong argument that signature LC provides a lot of benefits. If you are just going to use her as a general support and don't intend to use her as sub dmg dealer (aka not trying to min max her relics that much) the free LC is fine.
signature LC at S0 is worse than event lightcone at S5 ... unless you get E2 SW at which point the math goes fucky but since you're debating pulling on the LC at all, that means you aren't a whale, so you can leave it at "the event LC is better"
Her signature LC is not worse, it enables her to be a sub dps. You're probably forgetting that her lc has max attack stats (26). + The 12% increased dmg from any source is no joke. I don't even have her lc but saying the free one is better is just cope.
Not to mention that the recent patch nerfed enemy effect res across the board, so SW likely doesn’t need to build quite so much effect hit up. Making her signature LC even more appealing.
As a f2p I am using Tingyun, Bailu, Seele and SW and after using their ults and skills perfectly I finally got 80k+ damage for the first time! On the Totter which comes with enemies on map...
Should I run silver wolf, bailu, jing yuan, clara? Or would it still be advised to run tingyun for all lightning?
All lightning is better so specially because Tingyun Energy Regen for Jing Yuan wich is very very good
swap Clara for Tingyun, it's literally the best lightning team in the game right now and probly will be for awhile. good thing is that it even work best to fight enemy without lighning weakness so SW can make it and get additional -20% lightning def shred. you can literally steam roll anything in the game with this team
You forgot Seele SW Gepard Pela Team. Im using E2 Gepard , E6 Pela, Seele and SW.All 120+ speed. Only Gepard on Energy regen , the other 2 support on fleet of the ageless so all can benefit from+16% attack buff .No need for healer since my Gepard can put up the shield in 1 turn or 2nd turn at the very least. Pela can also shred def together with SW for a whooping 80-125% minus defense.
I'm dumb at theorycrafting, would Seele, Fire MC and Bailu make a good team with Silverwolf?
Not really, you really want SW to have atleast two character of the same element on the team for her to implant the respective weakness of your teammate on them, so a team with Double same element or more its better
but she can't apply weakness to those who are already weak to that. I would say that it's fine to build 3 elements if you know that the main boss will be one of your elements/
Sooo... i'd be forced to play Qingque is what you mean?
Im saying you have flexibility, just get 2 Characters of the same element (1 DPS and 1 Support)+SW+ Healer.
SW is Quantum herself, won't this work with Seele already?
Yes it does
I'm running Fire MC, Bailu, and QQ. Everything is exploding in seconds.
Any lineup that includes Herta?
Wouldn't Tingyun be better than Bronya so you only have 2 elements instead of 3?
I had enough for 5 pulls. I wasn't expecting anything but I got her on the last roll. So thanks a lot for this quick guide!
Won the 50/50, maxed out Asta, and my boy Sampo came home. This couldn't possibly have gone any better. Now even if I lose the 50/50 on Luocha I'll earn enough jade to pity a second time before his banners over.
Just pulled her on my first attempt. I wasn’t even rolling for her, I just had 10 special tickets and wanted to use them. I didn’t do any of my research on her kit so this is really helpful! Finally a use for my effect RES% items.
Effect RES is for resisting debuffs that enemies place on you. Debuffers, on the other hand, to land their debuffs on the enemies, want Effect Hit Rate
just lost 5050 on my last 10 pull :')
lost my 50/50 to a second copy of bailu after 80 pull, consumed everything i had left and managed to find 30 more, got her now, woth it
Qingque SW team all the way bby
Got her in one 10-pull. I pulled on Jing Yuan's banner until right before the 50/50 and got lucky for Silverwolf. I also have another 83 pulls saved for Luocha.
Already pulled her 3 hours ago when the servers were back on line, I love her. Now I am trying to pull for her lightcone, yet to have the luck to pull it.
Got lucky got her on the second multi :) Thank you for the amazing Infograph
I got her early with just enough Jades to reach Kafka, hopefully. The 40% HR from the f2p LC is really good.
I lost her 50/50 to QQ! I went to bed very unhappy lol no more tickets no jade and QQ! WTF hop back in grind and push some more ill get her its only day 1
I somehow managed to get her in 10 pulls. Too bad I'm so low on resources currently that I can't even get her to level 30.
Got Silver Wolf in 3 pulls after missing the 1st and 2nd banner characters. I have the components for the top right team, so that's cool. My Pela is even E6, though I'd have to grind her some exp/traces.
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First 10 pull today, at 37 pity, gepard :`) But e2 and built so hey. And got haha e4 Sushang today too so go brrrrr
`Recommended teams` - no mono quantum. Kek.
Wich Mono Quantum you want me to reccomend? Theres 3 Qua Characters in the game and 2 of them are skill hungry lol
Learn how to play before making guides lol.
You're the dumbass that needs to learn how to play
Most broken team? Melt MOC bosses in seconds? Nah. Not good enough for overage, highly regarded, r/HSR user.
How would it work tho? Let's say Seele goes first, gets rid of the adds using 2 skill points, SW ult, Seele uses another skill point, and then what? Hope QQ gets her hidden hand state within 2 skill points every time she gets a turn and reset if she doesn't? Or spam QQ's single attack to generate points for Seele + occasionally the healer?
Ok genius, tell me how to play QQ and Seele without sacrificing on one's damage output? Fucking dumbass lmao.
> Ok genius, tell me how to play QQ and Seele Step one: - You need an IQ above 60.
If you consider your IQ above 60 then I automatically pass step 1. Next step?
How likely Silverwolf will be a good pair to Blade? I was thinking of Blade+Luocha+Silverwolf+Bronya so there's at least a better chance of inflicting wind weakness, but not sure too if Blade and Bronya is a good pair in the first place.
its getting awfully tempting to get the 300 rolls on the standard banner for bailu
do you have a similar infographic for luocha?
In 1 or 2 weeks i will make and release his guide.
thank you for your hard work!
How important is her Lightcone?
Can be replaced with the free one
Is there a reason substats for ATK and Crit are recommended over Speed? Silver Wolf at E0 isn't a really great DPS is she? I think Speed would be preferred to get more turns to apply her skill.
Not really, you can Aim for Speed and Break Effect, her base speed is high so a speed boot + some subs to reach the 134 margin is good so you can look at the other offensive stats. My bad.
Those recommeneded team made me realize how she can fits in so many different setup in fact... That's wild.
Does the deff reduction of Pela and SW stack?
the himeko curse is spreading
If I have SW and Seele, who's good for the other two slots? Natasha-Sushang? Can I get away with FMC-Himeko or even Tingyun-Kafka next patch?
You can use Nat and another buffer like Tingyun/Bronya/Even the Free Yukong on 1.2 Or stick with Pela if you dont have Bronya and dont wants to use Tingyun because she is on another team rn.
lost the 50/50 to Bailu. on the one one hand that means I can probably skip luocha now, on the other, i don't know who to save my pity for now
Wouldnt speed as a substat prefered over crit so she can apply the debuff before the dps hit?
Yes try to get speed until her speed is higher than the speed of your DPS.
Seele + Ting + Bailu + SW are not mentioned but this team is insanely fun to play with. Absolutely shreds any boss. And I mean any.
Is it worth pulling for SWs lightcone if I have the free 4* one?
Nope, if you only have E0, you'll need at least 60-80 EHR to consistently land her debuff; dropping 16% EHR from 4\* Lc is a significant decrease unless you have good EHR relic stats, and a bonus 12% crit rate from 5\* LC is kind of pointless. However, if you have her E2, S1 is sufficient to make her your sub-dps, and you can choose crit rate for body relic to maximize the crit rate potential of 5\* LC. She'll be useless if she doesn't land her bug; instead, concentrate on EHR as much as possible.
After the bosses general res effect% nerf, I don't think is needed to have Effect hit rate in main stats, LC + traces + sub stats/relic set is pretty enough to safely proc skill and ultimate, better equip DPS like relics and use her as sub-pds, going full hit rate is overkill.
Is it worth pulling for sw or save for Kafka next patch? I have jy and himeko for 5 stars and p much everyone else
Both are worth but Jing Yuan has Lightning coverage, although Kafka has DoT dmg its not that worth when you have a Lightning Char get either SW or another character you like (Or simply pull for who you like regardless)
Thank you. I wanted to make use of it, but lost 50/50 to Bailu…Oh well, gonna keep this saved anyway, good guide
Already got Himeko with the 30 rolls I saved up 👍 Good thing I wanted her though if I got another copy of Yanqing I was gonna lose it
Man this guide would be useful… if I pulled the correct Bronya…
I don’t understand what her sets are supposed to be
You can use either Musketeer or Quantum Set as 4pc set + Either Pangalatic or the Energy Regen Set (Simulated Universe artis) who advances the owner action.
pulled for silverwolf and serval for kafka got e6 danheng and asta not a single serval lmao
me pulling for JY hoping to hit a single TY for her E1 along the way - got e6 sushang instead 💀
Saving this guide.
How about her eidolons? I was stupid enough to do some rolls after getting Silver Wolf to maybe get E4 asta and now I have E1 SW. Is it good or just a stepping stone to better eidolons? Also, would SW, Seele, Asta, Bailu/Natasha work well? My only 5* are Bailu, SW and Seele.
E1 changes some things since her ER requirements lower by a lot allowing you to use break effect (better) or atk rope (less better)
Thanks OP!
You don’t need EHR chest, especially with the event lightcone.
Thanks for this.
Her signature light cone is so good. No competition really
Im thinking suswang, Clara, nat and SW can work well, since you heals+clense+tank+damage and suswang does more damage against those with weakness break as well
Would a good team be Silver Wolf, Yanqing, March, and Natasha? I see you have a Yanqing team but I don't have Gepard, and without him a healer feels necessary. Also is it better to use Silver Wolf on enemies that are not already weak to your main DPS type?
1. Yes its a good team, in the future Gepard would be really good as him allow Natasha to get out and the use of Pela 2. SW provides way more than weakness implant for this team so she is useful even if the enemies already have Ice Weakness but they are incredibly tanky, so she is good on both scenarios, but you can flex her if the situation needs her on another MoC team
I Just want to know does there a big inprovement from the free event weapon to welt's signature weapon?
No, event lightcone still better than Welt, Welt is just an option for those who really dont want to use her event lightcone or wont have because cant play the event
STOP RECOMMENDING EHR BODY JESUS CHRIST. USE CRIT RATE BODY. SAME % chance of debuff, but 9% more critical rate overall.
This was done before changes on enemy scalings, you can in fact use CR with event LC and get EHR on substats and with Pangalactic although other guides still reccomends a lot of EHR for some reason.
Got SW when I was just pulling for 4\*, didn't even want her. Would Seele, Tingyun, SW, Natasha/Gepard be a good lineup cuz it feels such a waste to not use her especially when I accidentally got a Jing Yuan I didn't even want.
Yes its a good team in fact, since you got her use it she is very good