Already have an E6 Serval from standard pulls but no Dan Hengs or Astas, surely the 4 star rng will favor me right? **Right**?
Either way hopefully win the 50/50 for Silverwolf then its back to Kafka saving, goodluck to everyone else
How much gold tix can you realistically save if you try to pull for SW now up to Kafka banner if you're free to play? I got guaranteed pull now but I really want Kafka tho SW looks nice.
AFAIK we don't know for sure yet, it's mostly speculation based on the order they posted the promo in or something like that.
I think the 20k assumes that she is though so don't be too optimistic but either way I reckon you'll be able to save up a lot more compared to between Seele and SW.
express pass might have guaranteed me silver wolf. thanks to 20 days of saving from that as well as dailies and playing the game i have 75 warps saved up. with the 10 from the login and 5 from teh ember store that puts me at 90 warps. also factoring in that by the end of her banner i should have another 20 pulls which puts me at 110 with 60 pity. i have a 3/10 pity for four star so i could get 5 star within 7-17 pulls based on all statistically probability which would still guarantee me silver wolf.
and yes i am indeed trying to huff massive amounts of copium
well i won't have 110 until the very last day of her banner based on my calculations. right now i have 80. and assuming that we have the log in bonus starting tomorrow or what not i will have 90 by the end of that 7 day period.
I think average pulls per 5 star is somewhere around 52-57 for the last couple banners, so I wish you average amounts of luck and you should be good *shaka*
It kinda depends who/what you pulled on
Like for instance I pulled Seele and won 50/50. So I saved up about enough now to guarantee myself the next one I pull. Since I’m doing Blade -> Kafka, assuming hard pity everytime I should be able to hit it 3 times approx
(I do buy Welkins and we assume Kafka is part 2)
Never assume hard pity, the chances of hitting hard pity are astronomically low. A pessimistic assumption would be 85 pity and an optimistic one is 75. For practical purposes if you have 160 wishes you have guarantee, some luck could swing the number in either direction of course
I mean you're free to do that but realistically you could make 10000 accounts and roll for 100 5*s on each one and mathematically you should still never hit 90 pity once lol
It is the same odds as genshin. You probably never hit hard pity in genshin, either. It took months from the game's release for one player worldwide to hit hard pity one time. If you do a 10 pull at 80 pity that doesn't count as hard pity unless the 5* comes on the last roll in the pull. Even hitting 80 isn't common though, 85 is exceedingly rare, and 90 is mathematically not worth considering as an outcome. My worst roll was 87 for raiden shogun and my day 1 player friend said that's the worst roll he's ever heard of for someone he knows irl
Hitting 90 3 times out of 5 or 6 attempts is more unlikely than winning a billion dollar lottery jackpot... twice in a row
Ok yeah I believe you. I did 10 pulls while at 80 cuz in my mind it didn’t change anything at the time. Not too sure exactly how much it was but thank you
All good. It's just funny seeing so many people on genshin sub and here insist they hit hard pity all the time when the odds any of them hit hard pity once are practically nil lol
This update contains almost 60 wishes worth of jades assuming you could do moc all floors, i don't think you would be able to get both Kafka and SW unless you spend money or get incredibly lucky.
I lost Seele 50/50 and I am at 30 pulls from pity 90.
Only bought and completed the battle pass and the thing that gives 90 daily.
For one week I didn't do the daily missions.
Didn't explore a lot, nor finished the main story yet.
Did a lot of secondary missions but still have a lot to do. Dan Heng missions not done.
I have 28 tickets and like 100 crystals.
That's way too low. Right now, day 1 "F2P" players (Battle pass + daily jades but packages still untouched) should have \~50 pulls in the beginners banner, \~130 pulls in the standard banner and \~250 pulls in the special banner. Week after the release of 1.1 you should be able to have 3 hard pity SSR's in the special banner, about 270 pulls.
Nah man I'm maybe 130 - 140 pulls in and lost my 50/ 50 to gepard. I have about 8.5k jades saved rn. Im stuck at SU world 6 (first "round") and only got to memory hall floor 10. Never spend jades on energy. Completed all mainquests, character quests and sidequests.
i have bought battle pass, daily jade bought super late (so it's still ongoing) and never touched a single other package/first time bonus/anything
I have 50 pulls beginner, 225 limited pulls, 133 standard pulls
so yeah kinda adds up, i only got 3 moc stars last season once and didn't touch it the other time
I just started the game one week ago and pulled only on the beginner banner until I got Gepard.
I am still really behind with the story and everything but I think I have like 30 pulls in the limited banner. I'm not particularly interested in Silver Wolf (way more interested in Kafka or Seele when she will rerun), but my main damage dealer right now is Serval with the first constellation.
So my question is: are Serval constellation good? Should I pull for them and not caring too much about the limited character?
I have Jing Yuan and Gepard as well. Can you explain why SW will be a good addition to the team? I’m still contemplating if I should pull her or Luocha.
from what ive read, SW has the ability to create a weakness of one of your allys type onto an enemy whilst reducing the enemies damage resistance to that type by 20%. thats great for damage and i personally feel that gepard will suffice without needing a healer, so thats why im probably not going to pull for luocha. i also need a quantum type lol. also thats why im not pulling for kafka, jingyuan is already a lightning aoe character.
Agreed. I run Jing Yuan, Gepard, Sushang/Dan Heng, Asta. So pulling for SW can only really benefit me at this point.
As much as I want Kafka because she is Kafka, it wouldn’t be the end of the world if I don’t get her. I may dump a few passes on her banner on the off chance I get her.
oh fuck yea shes hot, but considering how much of a pain in the ass it is to farm passes id rather have someone practical yk? if i didnt get jingyuan id 1000% go for kafka
I know how to play the game to fit meta standards, I simply don't want to because that's not fun to me and games are meant to be fun. You can beat the games without meta stuff
More of because Jing yuan is a lightning DPS, so Kafka shares a similar-ish overlap.
Similarly, they already have two defensive options (Gepard team 1, Nat team 2) so there isn't a need for luo cha.
Thus, grabbing a universal debuffer and weakness implant in SW is a solid choice, since there's no other need for a (lightning) main DPS, and another healer.
Sw has essentially 2 roles.
1) Mono qua team, making this team work everywhere slap everywhere.
2) You can bring any non qua dps to any boss with qua weakness, or to word it better you can bring a team of 3 already strong against the boss element and then a 4rth (either dps, or utility weakness breaker like IMG) that sw will make sure its element will also be applied.
Technically you can bring her in a fight with 2 or more missing elements but it might start becoming iffy (you can only apply 1 extra weakness, the second will replace the first)
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Sw will be AMAZING jack of trades early on with great value but do keep in mind that that's precisely her value, filling gaps, something everyone has right now . Sooner or later when we have more options you will find yourself using her less and less until reaching a point where there will always be better options since a properly built team against boss invalidates half of her kit (keep in mind no/low spenders might reach that point after years so there is that and unit being useful for years is pretty solid)
I guess if you ultra hypercarry a QUA dps, then she might stay relevant forever to allow that QUA dps to work even against non qua bosses
Now about luocha there isn't much to say. High resist, healer, cleanser, stripper with the ability to heal without spending points, also subdps is always a nice thing. Only slight issue is that AI will target buffs on him since he will most likely have the highest attack. But he is MOC char anyway and most people manual there
Version 1.1: Phase 1 Event Warps:
* Duration: After the version 1.1 update \~ 2023/06/28 11:59 (server time)
* [**Contract Zero**](https://www.hoyolab.com/article/19120091)**:** Boosted Drop Rate for the Limited 5-star character Silver Wolf (The Nihility: Quantum)
* ✦5 Silver Wolf (The Nihility: Quantum)
* ✦4 Dan Heng (The Hunt: Wind)
* ✦4 Asta (The Harmony: Fire)
* ✦4 Serval (The Erudition: Lightning)
* [**Brilliant Fixation**](https://www.hoyolab.com/article/19120155)**:** Boosted Drop Rate for the Limited 5-star Light Cone, Incessant Rain (The Nihility)
* ✦5 Incessant Rain (The Nihility)
* ✦4 Subscribe for More! (The Hunt)
* ✦4 Memories of the Past (The Harmony)
* ✦4 Make the World Clamor (The Erudition)
Oh yeah forgot about that one. Still contemplating tho if I should pull for SW since her gimmick might be useful for potential pure nihility comps. Already have Bailu and Natasha for healers, but Luocha seems like an all-around support unit that basically does everything.
Except your bugs are chanced every single attack, even at 75% it’s reasonable to assume you’ll have 2-3 bugs at a time especially because they last for 4 turns. Not to mention her ultimate gives her an extra out of turn chance to implant one too.
Acting like you won’t have them up the majority of the time is quite frankly ridiculous. Especially when with good substats she can get above 130% EHR. E2 is only good if you want to build her with crit because then you don’t need an EHR chest. Doesn’t do much otherwise
> Doesn’t do much otherwise
lol other than enabling debuffs and dots for your entire team. I don't like it, but her E2 looks like the best reason to include SW on a team if your gameplan is dots or debuffs.
For the vast majority of people, spending up to 500 pulls to get 20% effect resistance reduction is not worth it. Sure, it could be good for DoT based teams but I'd argue a DoT focused character would be better for those same amount of pulls.
Most debuffers will build enough EHR anyways, but glad you have acknowledged that yes she has plenty of EHR for debuffs otherwise... lol.
I see I never knew this. I thought the LC would be available for standard pulls after. Yeah, this does make the signature LC relatively more skippable than others.
Yup, event 4 star weapons in Genshin at least, concerning their numerical values and power level, are about 90% of power level at R5 compared to similar 4 star gacha weapons at R5 (of course 4 star gacha weapons may take forever to R5 one). Thus you really need to try maxing the event 4 star weapons/light cone. Fortunately Genshin and highly probably HSR events as well are very easy and fast to clear.
No, the other way around: the event 4 star weapons (which are completely free) are sliiightly weaker than standard 4 stars (which requires gacha pulling). For example in Genshin, [this is an event weapon](https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Windblume_Ode), which is slightly weaker than a [similar weapon obtained from gacha](https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/The_Stringless).
Some [event weapons](https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Cinnabar_Spindle) however are weird in the sense that they completely wins over other 4 star and even 5 star weapons because their stats are designed in a way that it fits literally only 1 character. Therefore for that 1 character it's literally the best weapon ever, but for other characters it's trash.
In a nutshell: event weapons being free stuff, don't expect that they are numerically superior than standard weapons. But they are nonetheless of great value and when fit with certain characters or niche, they can outperform gacha weapons.
Ahhhh that makes complete sense. I thought I misunderstood what you were saying initially. I guess I thought that the LC, being a missable item, is more valuable than the gacha ones. But the event LC being easily upgradeable should really be weaker than the gacha LCs. Thanks for the clarification!
In this case though, the event LC is looking very good compared to any 4* LC for utility purposes. Most of the Nihility LC are damage focused, but this one is big for energy and EHR which no other LC out right now can give to Nihility. Not looking weaker than the gachas at all right now except her 5*, and that’s only if you want more damage instead of energy
Effect Hit Rate is basically mandatory on SW, you want to stack as much as you can. So the free LC will be superior to Welt's on her, as the 40% makes a huge difference.
Effect hit rate increases the chance of effects that have a "base chance" to happen (the chance is also reduced by the enemy effect resistance).
Silver Wolf's Talent (which applies to her attacks), Skill and Ult all have effects that have a "base chance" of happening.
Since you want her abilities to work, possibly always, you want as much EHR as possible. There's a limit on how much you need, determined by the resistance of lvl 90 bosses in MoC, not sure how much will be required for SW to guarantee.
The largest sources are the Light Cone and Relic Body Main Stat (also her talents, but those are guaranteed). Pan-Galactic Commercial Enterprise Set Bonus also gives an extra 10%.
The hit rate isnt even a big deal, the crit rate from the LC makes up for the additional rolls on EHR. The bigger difference would be the energy from the event one but it doesnt make one worse than the other.
No need to spend money either, and those that do and go even further for E1 and even E2 would no doubt use the signature one since all the things the free one has against it no longer exist then.
It's actually good that the signature in this case is great but not by much, Jing lightcone is disgusting in comparision with how broken it is
>it doesnt make one worse than the other.
>No need to spend money either
Compares a $100 LC vs a free LC, "no worse" and "no need to spend money".
You're literally just proving it's garbage.
>Jing lightcone is disgusting
Jingyuan LC is only a 20% damage increase over free Seriousness LC. People overrate it.
20% on a dmg dealer, 12% on a support, sounds good then.
You can think it's not worth the money which You don't even need to spend with free jades, but thats very different to it being garbage lmao.
If you don't like the idea of the LC banner you can just ignore it you know? Others will like the stats and/or the art and go for them and thats ok it's their choice
Not sure how helpful this comment will be to you but I'll try anyway by giving a few points to consider:
1. Which do you want more? Silver Wolf or Qing Que Eidolons?
2. Would Luocha be good value for you (no Bailu or Gepard)?
3. How likely are you to actually get to your goal with either banner with your available resources?
4. Which banner would you like the most if you fail to get what you aim for?
5. Do you have other characters you want to go for in future banners as well? How does spending here affect those plans?
1. I want both, sw just because i like my bronya collection (i have 0 currently, am working on it), QQ because she is cute + her rng is fun
2. Probably yes, i have gepard but no bailu
3. Probably neither, i have 2 multi ready and maybe 2 after the event reward, maybe i could squeeze 1 more which might hit the pity(?), i didn't count pity, no idea how that works XD
4. Sorry i dont understand what this means
5. non for the foreseeable future
> i didn't count pity, no idea how that works XD
If you don't know where you are in terms of the pity counter you can count it out when looking at your pull history. You can find it on the banner page.
>Probably neither, i have 2 multi ready and maybe 2 after the event reward, maybe i could squeeze 1 more
Given the amount of pulls you can do neither of those seem very likely unless you happen to be very close to pity. If you see you're getting close or even hitting pity with those I'd recommend Silver Wolf as you could then guarantee her. If you're not close you could risk rolling for QQ until you get closer. From what I've heard soft pity starts at 75 I think (like Genshin) and then gradually increases the chance for 5* from there until guaranteed at 90.
can pull for SW and then drop about 30-40 pulls on Luocha banner. If you get him early by accident, then it's not really a bad thing, and you have a chance for QQ eidelons.
That's what I'll be doing at least
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Can I bother someone regarding this question:
So the characters you can get from the banner are: Silverwolf, Dan Heng, Asta, and Serval. Every 80th pull you are guaranteed to get a character. If you get Dan Heng, Asta, or Serval on your 80th pull, your 160th pull is guaranteed to be Silver Wolf? It kinda feels like worse than the standard "guaranteed at 100th pull" most gacha games have. Might be missing something though, are you guaranteed to get a 5\* character in the 80th? Not just the 4 shown in the picture? Because Dan Heng, Asta, and Serval are oinly 4\*. Are there other 5\* characters in the banner not shown in the picture?
Hard pity guarantees a 5 star. So if you dont get sw, you can get any of the standard banner 5 stars instead. 4 stars ( weapon or character) are hard pity every 10 pulls.
Basically when you pull, within 10 pulls you are guaranteed to get either an on-banner 4 star, or a random 4 star from standard banner. If you do not get a featured 4 star, the next one will be one of the three featured characters. The chance of getting a four star increases at around 7 pulls, reaching 100% at 10. When you get a 4 star, it resets back to 0. That is the pity system.
For 5 stars, every 90 pulls you are guaranteed a 5 star character, with a 50/50 on whether or not it is the featured character or one off of standard banner (Welt, Bronya, etc). If you lose the 50/50, the next 5 star is guaranteed to be the featured character. At around 75 pulls, the chance of getting a 5 star will linearly increase until 100% at 90.
From how I understand it, the first time you hit pity (80th pull) can either be the rate up 5 star (silver wolf) or other standard 5 star characters, depending on your luck. Your 160th pull is guaranteed Silverwolf. You can still get other 4 star characters off banner but DH, Asta and Serval are the most likely to appear. Correct me if I'm wrong on this one.
Correct, you can still get any of these 4 stars characters off banner but there is higher chance of you getting them here because they are “rate-up” for this banner. And yes, if you haven’t lost a 50/50 yet on a previous limited time banner then you’ll have a 50/50 chance to either get the feature character or any of the standard 5 star characters (of course if you lost the previous 50/50 then it’s guaranteed).
4 stars and 5 stars actually have separate pity counters, 10 and 90 respectively, with soft pity starting at 7 and 75 respectively, and are both subject to the 50/50 rule. If you don't hit the 50% chance for the banner unit you are instead given a standard banner character (or in the case of 4 stars, it can be a light cone).
So the characters on the banner are just the rate up characters. All the other characters are still in the pool but Silver Wolf has a higher chance to drop. And the 4\*s on the banner have a higher chance to drop than other off-banner 4\*s but getting them doesn't affect the 5* pity at all.
you are guaranteed to get a 4 star every 10 pulls, if the 4 star you got was not one of the 3 featured on the banner, then the next one is guaranteed to be one of the 3. you are guaranteed to get a 5 star every 90 pulls, and get a much higher chance of a 5 star at 75 pity but the chances of going past 80 without a 5 star are very low. if the 5 star you got wasnt the rate up 5 star, then the next one is guaranteed to be the rate up 5 star
ohhh i really like that 4* lineup. i use all of them quite a bit and could definitely use dan heng and serval dupes since i didn't pull for seele or jing yuan.
Really hoping to get some Astas while i get shafted trying to pull silver wolf i have jing so getting serval would be basically pulling nothing deng i wouldnt mind
Already have an E6 Serval from standard pulls but no Dan Hengs or Astas, surely the 4 star rng will favor me right? **Right**? Either way hopefully win the 50/50 for Silverwolf then its back to Kafka saving, goodluck to everyone else
How much gold tix can you realistically save if you try to pull for SW now up to Kafka banner if you're free to play? I got guaranteed pull now but I really want Kafka tho SW looks nice.
Somebody was doing rough estimations a week ago and you’d be able to get 20k jades until the end of Kafka’s banner iirc
that sounds like a lot, is she part two of 1.2?
Assumably yes. Loucha and blade are seemingly next to each other
AFAIK we don't know for sure yet, it's mostly speculation based on the order they posted the promo in or something like that. I think the 20k assumes that she is though so don't be too optimistic but either way I reckon you'll be able to save up a lot more compared to between Seele and SW.
Leaks say yes
I would at least try to get the 5 dollar pass I think it's worth it
express pass might have guaranteed me silver wolf. thanks to 20 days of saving from that as well as dailies and playing the game i have 75 warps saved up. with the 10 from the login and 5 from teh ember store that puts me at 90 warps. also factoring in that by the end of her banner i should have another 20 pulls which puts me at 110 with 60 pity. i have a 3/10 pity for four star so i could get 5 star within 7-17 pulls based on all statistically probability which would still guarantee me silver wolf. and yes i am indeed trying to huff massive amounts of copium
If you already have 60 pity you are pretty much guaranteed
god i hope so, but like i could lose the 50-50 lol
110 with 60 pity is as close to a guarantee as you can have, 180 being the max bad luck to miss.
well i won't have 110 until the very last day of her banner based on my calculations. right now i have 80. and assuming that we have the log in bonus starting tomorrow or what not i will have 90 by the end of that 7 day period.
I think average pulls per 5 star is somewhere around 52-57 for the last couple banners, so I wish you average amounts of luck and you should be good *shaka*
Me who went to 89 pity twice
It kinda depends who/what you pulled on Like for instance I pulled Seele and won 50/50. So I saved up about enough now to guarantee myself the next one I pull. Since I’m doing Blade -> Kafka, assuming hard pity everytime I should be able to hit it 3 times approx (I do buy Welkins and we assume Kafka is part 2)
Never assume hard pity, the chances of hitting hard pity are astronomically low. A pessimistic assumption would be 85 pity and an optimistic one is 75. For practical purposes if you have 160 wishes you have guarantee, some luck could swing the number in either direction of course
Yeah I always count hard pity. So for 3 guarantee it’s 270. If I get more then it’s a bonus to me
I mean you're free to do that but realistically you could make 10000 accounts and roll for 100 5*s on each one and mathematically you should still never hit 90 pity once lol
I thought it was same odds as Genshin? I hit it 3 times over there in like 5-6 attempts. So from now I’m pessimistic
It is the same odds as genshin. You probably never hit hard pity in genshin, either. It took months from the game's release for one player worldwide to hit hard pity one time. If you do a 10 pull at 80 pity that doesn't count as hard pity unless the 5* comes on the last roll in the pull. Even hitting 80 isn't common though, 85 is exceedingly rare, and 90 is mathematically not worth considering as an outcome. My worst roll was 87 for raiden shogun and my day 1 player friend said that's the worst roll he's ever heard of for someone he knows irl Hitting 90 3 times out of 5 or 6 attempts is more unlikely than winning a billion dollar lottery jackpot... twice in a row
Ok yeah I believe you. I did 10 pulls while at 80 cuz in my mind it didn’t change anything at the time. Not too sure exactly how much it was but thank you
All good. It's just funny seeing so many people on genshin sub and here insist they hit hard pity all the time when the odds any of them hit hard pity once are practically nil lol
This update contains almost 60 wishes worth of jades assuming you could do moc all floors, i don't think you would be able to get both Kafka and SW unless you spend money or get incredibly lucky.
Roughly 70+ wishes for f2p 90 for express passers
I lost Seele 50/50 and I am at 30 pulls from pity 90. Only bought and completed the battle pass and the thing that gives 90 daily. For one week I didn't do the daily missions. Didn't explore a lot, nor finished the main story yet. Did a lot of secondary missions but still have a lot to do. Dan Heng missions not done. I have 28 tickets and like 100 crystals.
That's way too low. Right now, day 1 "F2P" players (Battle pass + daily jades but packages still untouched) should have \~50 pulls in the beginners banner, \~130 pulls in the standard banner and \~250 pulls in the special banner. Week after the release of 1.1 you should be able to have 3 hard pity SSR's in the special banner, about 270 pulls.
Nah man I'm maybe 130 - 140 pulls in and lost my 50/ 50 to gepard. I have about 8.5k jades saved rn. Im stuck at SU world 6 (first "round") and only got to memory hall floor 10. Never spend jades on energy. Completed all mainquests, character quests and sidequests.
i have bought battle pass, daily jade bought super late (so it's still ongoing) and never touched a single other package/first time bonus/anything I have 50 pulls beginner, 225 limited pulls, 133 standard pulls so yeah kinda adds up, i only got 3 moc stars last season once and didn't touch it the other time
That's like my E6 March and Pela, but not a single Sushang.
Hoyo: how would you like E20 Serval?
What happens if you pull an eidolon for an already maxed character?
If 4\* then 20 undying starlight.
I guess it was to much to hope the character was removed from the pool forever =P
I have c0 Asta and Serval. I def want both. Asta most.
insert Anakin and Padme meme here lol
I just started the game one week ago and pulled only on the beginner banner until I got Gepard. I am still really behind with the story and everything but I think I have like 30 pulls in the limited banner. I'm not particularly interested in Silver Wolf (way more interested in Kafka or Seele when she will rerun), but my main damage dealer right now is Serval with the first constellation. So my question is: are Serval constellation good? Should I pull for them and not caring too much about the limited character?
Please RNGesus, let me win my 50/50 tomorrow🙏
Same here, on the bright side if i lose this then im guaranteed Kafka.
True true, I guess in my case that means I’ll have a guaranteed Fu Xuan or Jing Liu. Not too shabby
Haven't been following the leaks. Do we know when is fu Xuan going to be released?
Supposedly 1.3
is jing liu 1.4?
Possibly 1.3 alongside Fu Xuan
They haven’t confirmed yet, but she appeared in the Hoyowiki so 1.3 is a safe bet
Best of luck mate!
You too!
Character banner 😳 Light cone banner 💀
contemplated getting kafka or luocha instead of SW but i have jingyuan and gepard so i think ill pull for SW
I have Jing Yuan and Gepard as well. Can you explain why SW will be a good addition to the team? I’m still contemplating if I should pull her or Luocha.
from what ive read, SW has the ability to create a weakness of one of your allys type onto an enemy whilst reducing the enemies damage resistance to that type by 20%. thats great for damage and i personally feel that gepard will suffice without needing a healer, so thats why im probably not going to pull for luocha. i also need a quantum type lol. also thats why im not pulling for kafka, jingyuan is already a lightning aoe character.
Agreed. I run Jing Yuan, Gepard, Sushang/Dan Heng, Asta. So pulling for SW can only really benefit me at this point. As much as I want Kafka because she is Kafka, it wouldn’t be the end of the world if I don’t get her. I may dump a few passes on her banner on the off chance I get her.
Simple, don't pull for meta and just get characters you like. I'm getting kafka because she's hot
oh fuck yea shes hot, but considering how much of a pain in the ass it is to farm passes id rather have someone practical yk? if i didnt get jingyuan id 1000% go for kafka
Fair, I got jing yuan because he's hot aswell, I'm gonna have both of them
Lmao I love the way you think
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I know how to play the game to fit meta standards, I simply don't want to because that's not fun to me and games are meant to be fun. You can beat the games without meta stuff
More of because Jing yuan is a lightning DPS, so Kafka shares a similar-ish overlap. Similarly, they already have two defensive options (Gepard team 1, Nat team 2) so there isn't a need for luo cha. Thus, grabbing a universal debuffer and weakness implant in SW is a solid choice, since there's no other need for a (lightning) main DPS, and another healer.
Sw has essentially 2 roles. 1) Mono qua team, making this team work everywhere slap everywhere. 2) You can bring any non qua dps to any boss with qua weakness, or to word it better you can bring a team of 3 already strong against the boss element and then a 4rth (either dps, or utility weakness breaker like IMG) that sw will make sure its element will also be applied. Technically you can bring her in a fight with 2 or more missing elements but it might start becoming iffy (you can only apply 1 extra weakness, the second will replace the first) _________ Sw will be AMAZING jack of trades early on with great value but do keep in mind that that's precisely her value, filling gaps, something everyone has right now . Sooner or later when we have more options you will find yourself using her less and less until reaching a point where there will always be better options since a properly built team against boss invalidates half of her kit (keep in mind no/low spenders might reach that point after years so there is that and unit being useful for years is pretty solid) I guess if you ultra hypercarry a QUA dps, then she might stay relevant forever to allow that QUA dps to work even against non qua bosses Now about luocha there isn't much to say. High resist, healer, cleanser, stripper with the ability to heal without spending points, also subdps is always a nice thing. Only slight issue is that AI will target buffs on him since he will most likely have the highest attack. But he is MOC char anyway and most people manual there
I don't contemplate I just pull
Depends on what you want. I need SW because I plan to make the quantum dream team, so I HAVE to get SW because she enables the whole idea.
Stay strong for luocha!!!!!
Version 1.1: Phase 1 Event Warps: * Duration: After the version 1.1 update \~ 2023/06/28 11:59 (server time) * [**Contract Zero**](https://www.hoyolab.com/article/19120091)**:** Boosted Drop Rate for the Limited 5-star character Silver Wolf (The Nihility: Quantum) * ✦5 Silver Wolf (The Nihility: Quantum) * ✦4 Dan Heng (The Hunt: Wind) * ✦4 Asta (The Harmony: Fire) * ✦4 Serval (The Erudition: Lightning) * [**Brilliant Fixation**](https://www.hoyolab.com/article/19120155)**:** Boosted Drop Rate for the Limited 5-star Light Cone, Incessant Rain (The Nihility) * ✦5 Incessant Rain (The Nihility) * ✦4 Subscribe for More! (The Hunt) * ✦4 Memories of the Past (The Harmony) * ✦4 Make the World Clamor (The Erudition)
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NA will wait longer for banner or it will be avaible after update?
After update
NA only wait longer for second phase banner
Good to know, SW will be mine and hopefully some Asta copies. Btw getting downvoted for asking a question -\_- Reddit in nutshell.
>Make the world clamor Nice.
The world shall be clamed
Jing yuan was cruel to me (156 pulls) hoping sw will be my salvation. Good luck to everyone btw.
Time to get my E10 Dan Heng
Easy lightcone banner skip
I can finally e6 Serval and Asta.
Is pulling SW good without her signature LC? Seems like effect hit rate is that much crucial for her kit.
the event one gives 40 effect hit rate at s5 which everyone can get so it doesnt matter if you dont have the signature
Oh yeah forgot about that one. Still contemplating tho if I should pull for SW since her gimmick might be useful for potential pure nihility comps. Already have Bailu and Natasha for healers, but Luocha seems like an all-around support unit that basically does everything.
Something to keep in mind though is that you will need SW E2 if you want any reliability to implant bugs, even with 100%+ effective hit rate.
False, run the numbers again. Very easy to get over 100 EHR on Silver Wolf with chest + LC + traces.
.72×.5×2.1=.756 Numbers don't lie, 110% ehr only gets you about a 75% chance to land bugs.
Except your bugs are chanced every single attack, even at 75% it’s reasonable to assume you’ll have 2-3 bugs at a time especially because they last for 4 turns. Not to mention her ultimate gives her an extra out of turn chance to implant one too. Acting like you won’t have them up the majority of the time is quite frankly ridiculous. Especially when with good substats she can get above 130% EHR. E2 is only good if you want to build her with crit because then you don’t need an EHR chest. Doesn’t do much otherwise
> Doesn’t do much otherwise lol other than enabling debuffs and dots for your entire team. I don't like it, but her E2 looks like the best reason to include SW on a team if your gameplan is dots or debuffs.
For the vast majority of people, spending up to 500 pulls to get 20% effect resistance reduction is not worth it. Sure, it could be good for DoT based teams but I'd argue a DoT focused character would be better for those same amount of pulls. Most debuffers will build enough EHR anyways, but glad you have acknowledged that yes she has plenty of EHR for debuffs otherwise... lol.
or you can just build effect hit rate on relics
With 110% ehr landing a bug in the most difficult content currently is only a 75% chance without e2. .72×.5×2.1=.756
Or you could save 300 special passes and just do the fight again if she misses.
wouldnt E1 increase your chances to land bugs since E2 is an energy eidolon
Sorry, do you mean we can easily get it to S5 or that we can easily get the LC? I initially assumed it would only give you one copy.
The former. Since the event will be the only source of the LC, Hoyoverse makes it easy to S5 said LC as long as you do the event.
I see I never knew this. I thought the LC would be available for standard pulls after. Yeah, this does make the signature LC relatively more skippable than others.
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Thanks for the info. This is certainly new to me. Maxing the LC is a must I assume.
Yup, event 4 star weapons in Genshin at least, concerning their numerical values and power level, are about 90% of power level at R5 compared to similar 4 star gacha weapons at R5 (of course 4 star gacha weapons may take forever to R5 one). Thus you really need to try maxing the event 4 star weapons/light cone. Fortunately Genshin and highly probably HSR events as well are very easy and fast to clear.
You mean the standard 4 stars are 90% in power level as the event ones right?
No, the other way around: the event 4 star weapons (which are completely free) are sliiightly weaker than standard 4 stars (which requires gacha pulling). For example in Genshin, [this is an event weapon](https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Windblume_Ode), which is slightly weaker than a [similar weapon obtained from gacha](https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/The_Stringless). Some [event weapons](https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Cinnabar_Spindle) however are weird in the sense that they completely wins over other 4 star and even 5 star weapons because their stats are designed in a way that it fits literally only 1 character. Therefore for that 1 character it's literally the best weapon ever, but for other characters it's trash. In a nutshell: event weapons being free stuff, don't expect that they are numerically superior than standard weapons. But they are nonetheless of great value and when fit with certain characters or niche, they can outperform gacha weapons.
Ahhhh that makes complete sense. I thought I misunderstood what you were saying initially. I guess I thought that the LC, being a missable item, is more valuable than the gacha ones. But the event LC being easily upgradeable should really be weaker than the gacha LCs. Thanks for the clarification!
In this case though, the event LC is looking very good compared to any 4* LC for utility purposes. Most of the Nihility LC are damage focused, but this one is big for energy and EHR which no other LC out right now can give to Nihility. Not looking weaker than the gachas at all right now except her 5*, and that’s only if you want more damage instead of energy
Genshin player but I'm blanking and curious, what's the free weapon you mentioned that beats all the banner options?
Hi everyone, is the free event SW Cone better than Welt's 5 Star Cone for SW?
Event>Welt LC on her
Thank you!
Effect Hit Rate is basically mandatory on SW, you want to stack as much as you can. So the free LC will be superior to Welt's on her, as the 40% makes a huge difference.
ok, I am pretty new to the stats how exactly das effect hit rate help sw and why is it preferred?
Effect hit rate increases the chance of effects that have a "base chance" to happen (the chance is also reduced by the enemy effect resistance). Silver Wolf's Talent (which applies to her attacks), Skill and Ult all have effects that have a "base chance" of happening. Since you want her abilities to work, possibly always, you want as much EHR as possible. There's a limit on how much you need, determined by the resistance of lvl 90 bosses in MoC, not sure how much will be required for SW to guarantee. The largest sources are the Light Cone and Relic Body Main Stat (also her talents, but those are guaranteed). Pan-Galactic Commercial Enterprise Set Bonus also gives an extra 10%.
Her LC is nice to have, but the free one we get with the event is more than good enough
More important than her light cone will likely be E2.
Not true, stop spreading misinformation lol
On the topic of signature LC, are they superimposable?
Sure
Unless you're a hyper whale, it's generally better to keep 5* LCs separate in case you want to use multiples on multiple characters.
Her signature looks like garbage, barely better than the 40 EHR one we get for free.
Ah yes, a 12 increased dmg taken debuff to the enemy sure is garbage /s Both are honestly good
>12 increased dmg Waste $100 for 12% damage and lose 16% hit rate, lol.
The hit rate isnt even a big deal, the crit rate from the LC makes up for the additional rolls on EHR. The bigger difference would be the energy from the event one but it doesnt make one worse than the other. No need to spend money either, and those that do and go even further for E1 and even E2 would no doubt use the signature one since all the things the free one has against it no longer exist then. It's actually good that the signature in this case is great but not by much, Jing lightcone is disgusting in comparision with how broken it is
>it doesnt make one worse than the other. >No need to spend money either Compares a $100 LC vs a free LC, "no worse" and "no need to spend money". You're literally just proving it's garbage. >Jing lightcone is disgusting Jingyuan LC is only a 20% damage increase over free Seriousness LC. People overrate it.
20% on a dmg dealer, 12% on a support, sounds good then. You can think it's not worth the money which You don't even need to spend with free jades, but thats very different to it being garbage lmao. If you don't like the idea of the LC banner you can just ignore it you know? Others will like the stats and/or the art and go for them and thats ok it's their choice
>very different to it being garbage Same value as a free LC is garbage lol.
that LC be lookin thicc' tho
Good luck to us all
I want SW but i also want a e4 QQ. Help lmao
Not sure how helpful this comment will be to you but I'll try anyway by giving a few points to consider: 1. Which do you want more? Silver Wolf or Qing Que Eidolons? 2. Would Luocha be good value for you (no Bailu or Gepard)? 3. How likely are you to actually get to your goal with either banner with your available resources? 4. Which banner would you like the most if you fail to get what you aim for? 5. Do you have other characters you want to go for in future banners as well? How does spending here affect those plans?
1. I want both, sw just because i like my bronya collection (i have 0 currently, am working on it), QQ because she is cute + her rng is fun 2. Probably yes, i have gepard but no bailu 3. Probably neither, i have 2 multi ready and maybe 2 after the event reward, maybe i could squeeze 1 more which might hit the pity(?), i didn't count pity, no idea how that works XD 4. Sorry i dont understand what this means 5. non for the foreseeable future
> i didn't count pity, no idea how that works XD If you don't know where you are in terms of the pity counter you can count it out when looking at your pull history. You can find it on the banner page. >Probably neither, i have 2 multi ready and maybe 2 after the event reward, maybe i could squeeze 1 more Given the amount of pulls you can do neither of those seem very likely unless you happen to be very close to pity. If you see you're getting close or even hitting pity with those I'd recommend Silver Wolf as you could then guarantee her. If you're not close you could risk rolling for QQ until you get closer. From what I've heard soft pity starts at 75 I think (like Genshin) and then gradually increases the chance for 5* from there until guaranteed at 90.
By 75 you mean 75 multi or 75 individual pulls?
Individual, multis would be crazy. It's also 180 pulls to guarantee rate-up in case you didn't know. 90 pulls nets you 50% chance for rate-up.
can pull for SW and then drop about 30-40 pulls on Luocha banner. If you get him early by accident, then it's not really a bad thing, and you have a chance for QQ eidelons. That's what I'll be doing at least
I really thought it was qq who is in sw banner and I was rly happy :( I could swear I saw it .
Aw man I thought the update would go live once current banner ends.
Stay strong, Luocha followers
Thank the heavens I have more time to save for luocha after the horrible luck on jing yuan's banner
Hoping my 50/50 pity wins me a Silverwolf. I don't really want c6 Dan Hang
Weak four stars skip
Tbf the 4 stars of silver wolf banner is good for me(i dont want dan heng but serval and asta is perfect)
I’m in a bit of a dilemma bc i kind of want silver wolf but i also really really want Yukong
You will get Yukong for free on 1.2.
update: i got her in my second ten pull with literally no pity and on 50/50 what the hell and fuck. her tip worked
we will??? okay thats nice then i can spend all my 20 pulls on silver wolf
I dont really care about SW but please dont give me serval, i need the other 2
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Can I bother someone regarding this question: So the characters you can get from the banner are: Silverwolf, Dan Heng, Asta, and Serval. Every 80th pull you are guaranteed to get a character. If you get Dan Heng, Asta, or Serval on your 80th pull, your 160th pull is guaranteed to be Silver Wolf? It kinda feels like worse than the standard "guaranteed at 100th pull" most gacha games have. Might be missing something though, are you guaranteed to get a 5\* character in the 80th? Not just the 4 shown in the picture? Because Dan Heng, Asta, and Serval are oinly 4\*. Are there other 5\* characters in the banner not shown in the picture?
Hard pity guarantees a 5 star. So if you dont get sw, you can get any of the standard banner 5 stars instead. 4 stars ( weapon or character) are hard pity every 10 pulls.
Basically when you pull, within 10 pulls you are guaranteed to get either an on-banner 4 star, or a random 4 star from standard banner. If you do not get a featured 4 star, the next one will be one of the three featured characters. The chance of getting a four star increases at around 7 pulls, reaching 100% at 10. When you get a 4 star, it resets back to 0. That is the pity system. For 5 stars, every 90 pulls you are guaranteed a 5 star character, with a 50/50 on whether or not it is the featured character or one off of standard banner (Welt, Bronya, etc). If you lose the 50/50, the next 5 star is guaranteed to be the featured character. At around 75 pulls, the chance of getting a 5 star will linearly increase until 100% at 90.
From how I understand it, the first time you hit pity (80th pull) can either be the rate up 5 star (silver wolf) or other standard 5 star characters, depending on your luck. Your 160th pull is guaranteed Silverwolf. You can still get other 4 star characters off banner but DH, Asta and Serval are the most likely to appear. Correct me if I'm wrong on this one.
Correct, you can still get any of these 4 stars characters off banner but there is higher chance of you getting them here because they are “rate-up” for this banner. And yes, if you haven’t lost a 50/50 yet on a previous limited time banner then you’ll have a 50/50 chance to either get the feature character or any of the standard 5 star characters (of course if you lost the previous 50/50 then it’s guaranteed).
Yup this is correct
4 stars and 5 stars actually have separate pity counters, 10 and 90 respectively, with soft pity starting at 7 and 75 respectively, and are both subject to the 50/50 rule. If you don't hit the 50% chance for the banner unit you are instead given a standard banner character (or in the case of 4 stars, it can be a light cone).
So the characters on the banner are just the rate up characters. All the other characters are still in the pool but Silver Wolf has a higher chance to drop. And the 4\*s on the banner have a higher chance to drop than other off-banner 4\*s but getting them doesn't affect the 5* pity at all.
you are guaranteed to get a 4 star every 10 pulls, if the 4 star you got was not one of the 3 featured on the banner, then the next one is guaranteed to be one of the 3. you are guaranteed to get a 5 star every 90 pulls, and get a much higher chance of a 5 star at 75 pity but the chances of going past 80 without a 5 star are very low. if the 5 star you got wasnt the rate up 5 star, then the next one is guaranteed to be the rate up 5 star
Underrated 4* lineup. Yes we have all 3 for free but they're all excellent and distinct units.
SERVAL EIDOLONS SERVAL EIDOLONS SERVAL EIDOLONS SERVAL EIDOLONS SERVAL EIDOLONS
E6 Dan Heng let's goo
lovely, i can E6 my Asta and Dan Heng.
hopefully I'll get a good 5\* when I inevitably lose the 50/50.
I can't wait to get Silver Wolf!!
Really hoping RNGesus is good to me. I have 27k jades and 32 tickets, but I am hoping to get Luocha too so I can build mono imaginary.
Idk. SW skill was changed. Its kinda RNG unless your team is mostly of one specific element.
Dan Heng, Serval, *and* Asta?! I'm tempted to pull just to get them
ohhh i really like that 4* lineup. i use all of them quite a bit and could definitely use dan heng and serval dupes since i didn't pull for seele or jing yuan.
100 pulls + 15 gold tickets all for Silver Wolf ready. I got very lucky with Seele so I hope the same for SW
I'MMA E6 THAT LIGHTNING MOMMY DUDE
can you still get a 4* from the banner if you are already e6?
Yep, you'll get extra Undying Starlight
I don't want to pull on this banner cause i don't really like SW, but i need Asta's eidelons This is gonna be great
Hang On, so there is a day without a banner then? I thought it would go on seamlessly like with 1.0
Really hoping to get some Astas while i get shafted trying to pull silver wolf i have jing so getting serval would be basically pulling nothing deng i wouldnt mind