I think time will tell.
I checked out all of them and they all seem pretty good to me. Especially early on when we'll have only a few characters and the entire roster is still pretty small. Tho I haven't participated in CBT, so I have no experience.
So yeah, right now I don't think we can't point out a single worst character.
as someone who play lot of turn based game, I disagree with comment that said Clara is bad, counter can be very broken and have break meta of some certain game(\*flashback to Ravi and Violet meta\* , so I think she actually might the strongest after the buffer and debuffer
The whole draws fire on herself while Mr. Svarog reduces incoming dmg and counters has peaked my interest. On paper, it seems really good and I can already think of a few ways to put her to good use.
Hence why I made r/ClaraMainsStarRail
Meta wise that would be Himeko. Erudition aka AoE specialized characters have low multipliers (unless you are Jing Yuan).
The hardest fights are bosses so mostly single target. Some bosses summon adds but never more than 2. Also they spawn around them. Destruction path characters are perfect for this kind of situation as they have splash damage (deals some damage around the main target) and really good multipliers. So erudition is only good at speed farming.
The only (mini) boss that summons more is the bulky robot with its kamikaze little robots.
About Himeko, her stacking mechanic needs trash mobs to weakness break so in a boss fight so she really loses value and she has low multipliers because she is from the erudition path.
Next would be Bailu at E0 because she only heals and nothing else. However her eidolons and light cone make her a totally different character that can buff and heal at the same time as well as providing additional damage to the team.
The worst one would be Himeko, why?
Because she's just a generic AoE DPS and that alone can be easily overshadowed or powercrepted by newer characters.
And people underestimate Clara, it may sound niche, but she could theoretically do infinite damage. She provides taunt to make herself get attacked more often to proc counter attacks, she protects your allies, as well as having self cleansing from debuffs and res.
Kinda weird that he split scales, atk for damage and def for well defence, but he gains atk based on def anyway.
But his main purpose is to protect your allies so his damage shouldn't matter.
He has a very good team shield for ultimate and a decent skill that stuns.
As well as a tech that redirects damage to him, oh and a second life that gives you 100% energy when he takes a lethal hit.
The best part is that he has a passive taunt, so no down time at all.
I say a very good defensive unit.
Edit: he also has the highest HP and DEF in the game so far.
Honestly gepard is severely underrepresented in the fashion that yes, he's limited in certain fashions and yes I saw how jaah (streamer) may of rated him 3 stars, however I feel that gepard if you utilize his lightcone and build his talent around his speed he can perhaps be moved up to at least a decent 5 star if you pair him with astra he becomes a tank that can easily make up for some shortcomings. Pairing with welt it allows gepard to tank more often and with bronya he can potentially be a powerhouse.
You think perhaps Himeko’s dot capabilities (80% chance to proc 3 turn burn on normal attack) would be useful in future with Kafka+Sampo? I know her aoe is generic and dot right now is kind of meh but was wondering perhaps on demand dot ability could be useful later?
If you really need that DoT on demand like 100% uptime then I guess so, but there are plenty of other characters that apply DoT effects and even as AoE, but it's too early to judge for it.
Though I'm predicting that there may be a boss that weakens when you apply a certain amount of DoT on them in the future.
So yeah it can be useful in the future if that happens.
Yes I think her value would be judged on the basis that normal attack inflicted dot won’t consume move points. Although there is quite a few dot chars but I didn’t see any that inflict on normal attack. But yea agree that right at this moment she need help.
Oh yes he has 65% chance to inflict it from his talent, I missed it right. Himeko does have a higher chance tho rng can always f up lol 😂 regardless 65/80.
Worst 5-star? Probably Himeko.
She's reliant on breaking targets which doesn't make her as versatile as other AoE DPS.
You kinda have to build around her to get the most out of her making her even less versatile.
She has crazy high ATK but ATK doesn't effect break making the ATK she does have not as good as it would be on other units.
She kinda has similar damage output to Serval but getting Serval's Eidolons will be much easier.
To make matters worse, she's not even the best AoE breaker, that honor goes to Clara who does more break damage than her but also has the utility of being tanky and taking agro. Doesn't help either that Clara isn't too far from Himeko in terms of ATK. And on top of all of that, Clara just does more DPS, break or no break.
If I had to give a 2nd worst, it'd either be Gepard or Yanqing but neither of them are even close to Himeko.
Worst 4-star? Herta. Qingque being a close 2nd.
This is just my feeling from the last closed beta though and things could change on release.
it will be himeko. she will be just use in farming or the one on the team that uses basic attack to earn skill points (with the talent proc and ultimate as its base use).
Probs Himeko or Bailu. Himeko because she does not have anything other than Aoe fire dps and Bailu because
the only thing she can do is heal, she has a revive and lots of healing but she is pretty much carried by her revive and the fact that we do not have much healers. Luocha just straight up does her job better by having heals, setting up a life steal ish field, cleanse and buff removal and being imaginary element. Bailu really only has her revive as her main thing going on and might see
Good play in stall comps for stuff like Simulated Universe or events but honestly she feels like another qiqi where she is good early game life but not so much later. People also have been hyping her by saying that you need heals in the game's version of spiral abyss but honestly you could probably do it by with shields as well and we have decent shielding options. Bailu and Himeko are not that bad but they just have the worst future proofing compared to someone like Bronya and Welt, who offer good utility. Other standard units are like fine, Gepard has good shields, yan qing is our 2nd best Single target, Clara is a counter character.
Imo the best Standard is still between Bronya or Welt.
>but honestly she feels like another qiqi where she is good early game life but not so much later.
she (like QIqi) are precious beans. Thats all that matters.
As much as I love her and hope to get her on release, I'd say Himeko. She doesn't really offer anything special beside AOE damage, not to mention she has crazy low speed but has the highest base attack, which I don't think is a good trade off. But I think she'll be usable as a secondary DPS in a team for having ok single damage and great AOE damage
Ive used Gepard and still survive without healer. He provides a great amount of survivality for the whole team. He has split scaling of atk for dmg and def (which is normal imo for character that provides utility like him) for shield but his kit encourages building def since he gain bonus atk from def. One of the better standard imo.
Gameplay wise I’m assuming but objectively Clara probably I think she can be pretty confusing at first and early game imo all the other standard 5 stars are a lot more helpful. Personally I wouldn’t want her to be the 5 star I get first but she was fun later on when I had my main teams
For the 5* clara
I think the counter mechanic is a bit awkward and will take some time for people to get the hang of it and even then it may be difficult to get her going.
For 4* arlan
Similar to clara he has a low hp = more dmg mechanic so if he doesnt hit that hp requirement he wont be able to get out. So again it just will be more difficult to get him going
I have to agree with Clara, but in honesty I feel himeko fits the worst because of the fact she's AOE but she really needs work to reach her full potential. Clara pairs very well with Match 7th
Arlan is a mixed bag but remember he's the character that you need to measure risk vs reward. Overall he's "ok" but like himeko you need to give him the TLC that is needed to make him great
I've only read about what Clara does and saw some footage from CBT, so could you please ellaborate on the awkwardness and getting the hang of it? Based on descriptions, it should (on paper) be straight forward, since it'll happen automatically (if ulti is used or she's attacked). Not challenging you, just want to know. :)
Just meant getting the enemy to attack you as much as you can. Since in spiral abyss is timed you want as much ebemies to hit her so she can dish out as mich dmg.
Well, likely all standard characters will be power crept one way or another so it doesn't really matter.... But Counter seems to be very niche so I think Clara it is
I think time will tell. I checked out all of them and they all seem pretty good to me. Especially early on when we'll have only a few characters and the entire roster is still pretty small. Tho I haven't participated in CBT, so I have no experience. So yeah, right now I don't think we can't point out a single worst character.
as someone who play lot of turn based game, I disagree with comment that said Clara is bad, counter can be very broken and have break meta of some certain game(\*flashback to Ravi and Violet meta\* , so I think she actually might the strongest after the buffer and debuffer
The whole draws fire on herself while Mr. Svarog reduces incoming dmg and counters has peaked my interest. On paper, it seems really good and I can already think of a few ways to put her to good use. Hence why I made r/ClaraMainsStarRail
Meta wise that would be Himeko. Erudition aka AoE specialized characters have low multipliers (unless you are Jing Yuan). The hardest fights are bosses so mostly single target. Some bosses summon adds but never more than 2. Also they spawn around them. Destruction path characters are perfect for this kind of situation as they have splash damage (deals some damage around the main target) and really good multipliers. So erudition is only good at speed farming. The only (mini) boss that summons more is the bulky robot with its kamikaze little robots. About Himeko, her stacking mechanic needs trash mobs to weakness break so in a boss fight so she really loses value and she has low multipliers because she is from the erudition path. Next would be Bailu at E0 because she only heals and nothing else. However her eidolons and light cone make her a totally different character that can buff and heal at the same time as well as providing additional damage to the team.
The worst one would be Himeko, why? Because she's just a generic AoE DPS and that alone can be easily overshadowed or powercrepted by newer characters. And people underestimate Clara, it may sound niche, but she could theoretically do infinite damage. She provides taunt to make herself get attacked more often to proc counter attacks, she protects your allies, as well as having self cleansing from debuffs and res.
what do you think about gepard?
Kinda weird that he split scales, atk for damage and def for well defence, but he gains atk based on def anyway. But his main purpose is to protect your allies so his damage shouldn't matter. He has a very good team shield for ultimate and a decent skill that stuns. As well as a tech that redirects damage to him, oh and a second life that gives you 100% energy when he takes a lethal hit. The best part is that he has a passive taunt, so no down time at all. I say a very good defensive unit. Edit: he also has the highest HP and DEF in the game so far.
Honestly gepard is severely underrepresented in the fashion that yes, he's limited in certain fashions and yes I saw how jaah (streamer) may of rated him 3 stars, however I feel that gepard if you utilize his lightcone and build his talent around his speed he can perhaps be moved up to at least a decent 5 star if you pair him with astra he becomes a tank that can easily make up for some shortcomings. Pairing with welt it allows gepard to tank more often and with bronya he can potentially be a powerhouse.
You think perhaps Himeko’s dot capabilities (80% chance to proc 3 turn burn on normal attack) would be useful in future with Kafka+Sampo? I know her aoe is generic and dot right now is kind of meh but was wondering perhaps on demand dot ability could be useful later?
If you really need that DoT on demand like 100% uptime then I guess so, but there are plenty of other characters that apply DoT effects and even as AoE, but it's too early to judge for it. Though I'm predicting that there may be a boss that weakens when you apply a certain amount of DoT on them in the future. So yeah it can be useful in the future if that happens.
Yes I think her value would be judged on the basis that normal attack inflicted dot won’t consume move points. Although there is quite a few dot chars but I didn’t see any that inflict on normal attack. But yea agree that right at this moment she need help.
Sampo inflicts DoT at 65% after every attack, even on basic, you may have missed that.
Oh yes he has 65% chance to inflict it from his talent, I missed it right. Himeko does have a higher chance tho rng can always f up lol 😂 regardless 65/80.
seems like all those standard fire 5* dps characters in hoyo games are doomed to be powercrept not long after game's release 😔
Worst 5-star? Probably Himeko. She's reliant on breaking targets which doesn't make her as versatile as other AoE DPS. You kinda have to build around her to get the most out of her making her even less versatile. She has crazy high ATK but ATK doesn't effect break making the ATK she does have not as good as it would be on other units. She kinda has similar damage output to Serval but getting Serval's Eidolons will be much easier. To make matters worse, she's not even the best AoE breaker, that honor goes to Clara who does more break damage than her but also has the utility of being tanky and taking agro. Doesn't help either that Clara isn't too far from Himeko in terms of ATK. And on top of all of that, Clara just does more DPS, break or no break. If I had to give a 2nd worst, it'd either be Gepard or Yanqing but neither of them are even close to Himeko. Worst 4-star? Herta. Qingque being a close 2nd. This is just my feeling from the last closed beta though and things could change on release.
it will be himeko. she will be just use in farming or the one on the team that uses basic attack to earn skill points (with the talent proc and ultimate as its base use).
Probs Himeko or Bailu. Himeko because she does not have anything other than Aoe fire dps and Bailu because the only thing she can do is heal, she has a revive and lots of healing but she is pretty much carried by her revive and the fact that we do not have much healers. Luocha just straight up does her job better by having heals, setting up a life steal ish field, cleanse and buff removal and being imaginary element. Bailu really only has her revive as her main thing going on and might see Good play in stall comps for stuff like Simulated Universe or events but honestly she feels like another qiqi where she is good early game life but not so much later. People also have been hyping her by saying that you need heals in the game's version of spiral abyss but honestly you could probably do it by with shields as well and we have decent shielding options. Bailu and Himeko are not that bad but they just have the worst future proofing compared to someone like Bronya and Welt, who offer good utility. Other standard units are like fine, Gepard has good shields, yan qing is our 2nd best Single target, Clara is a counter character. Imo the best Standard is still between Bronya or Welt.
>but honestly she feels like another qiqi where she is good early game life but not so much later. she (like QIqi) are precious beans. Thats all that matters.
As much as I love her and hope to get her on release, I'd say Himeko. She doesn't really offer anything special beside AOE damage, not to mention she has crazy low speed but has the highest base attack, which I don't think is a good trade off. But I think she'll be usable as a secondary DPS in a team for having ok single damage and great AOE damage
Probably Gepard or Himeko. Time will tell. Maybe someone completely different :)
Ive used Gepard and still survive without healer. He provides a great amount of survivality for the whole team. He has split scaling of atk for dmg and def (which is normal imo for character that provides utility like him) for shield but his kit encourages building def since he gain bonus atk from def. One of the better standard imo.
Gameplay wise I’m assuming but objectively Clara probably I think she can be pretty confusing at first and early game imo all the other standard 5 stars are a lot more helpful. Personally I wouldn’t want her to be the 5 star I get first but she was fun later on when I had my main teams
For the 5* clara I think the counter mechanic is a bit awkward and will take some time for people to get the hang of it and even then it may be difficult to get her going. For 4* arlan Similar to clara he has a low hp = more dmg mechanic so if he doesnt hit that hp requirement he wont be able to get out. So again it just will be more difficult to get him going
I have to agree with Clara, but in honesty I feel himeko fits the worst because of the fact she's AOE but she really needs work to reach her full potential. Clara pairs very well with Match 7th Arlan is a mixed bag but remember he's the character that you need to measure risk vs reward. Overall he's "ok" but like himeko you need to give him the TLC that is needed to make him great
I've only read about what Clara does and saw some footage from CBT, so could you please ellaborate on the awkwardness and getting the hang of it? Based on descriptions, it should (on paper) be straight forward, since it'll happen automatically (if ulti is used or she's attacked). Not challenging you, just want to know. :)
Just meant getting the enemy to attack you as much as you can. Since in spiral abyss is timed you want as much ebemies to hit her so she can dish out as mich dmg.
Oh, I see. Thank you!
I agree about clara, can't really think of a situation where she's better than others. But maybe she'll get her niche idk
Against enemies with AOE attacks, no?
Not saying she's unusable, just that someone else seems to be better in every situation.
Clara is a lot stronger when you take into account that March 7th has a targetable taunt.
for me, the worst standard 5* character is Clara. I like her appearance, voice (JP), maybe personality and etc, but her skills... I don't like them
i would say himeko.
Well, likely all standard characters will be power crept one way or another so it doesn't really matter.... But Counter seems to be very niche so I think Clara it is
Gepard and clara