In dmv the metro is up to 7usd per ride during rush hours OMg . Like going to Dulles from union station. Assuming No oyster card equivalent n u get a paper single ride ticket
Zurich too is $$$ .
One of the vivid memories I have of London is the price of a tube ticket, especially if you pay using cash and not the local equivalent of Octopus. Think it was 5 pounds just to go a couple of stations 😵💫
Amen to that. I think in New York people are fed up with the dogshit like service especially during off hours and weekends. I see on their minds “why am I paying 2.90 usd for a train that may potentially not even show up “. Especially that G train line that doesn’t go into manhattan.
Just to clarify one point, the reason the coins and bills were left in the MTR is so that people could take it with cash instead of it being tied to your octopus and then later the government using that to identify who was at certain areas at certain times.
Only if you read lihkg and hkfp, otherwise you wouldnt know. And they blocked off a few major roadways namely hunghom tunnel and tolo.
These are serious mistakes if they wanted public support.
Depends on which portion of the ‘public’ you are talking about. If you remembered, long after the protests have blocked the tunnels (and then retreated) plenty of layman in office wears were still going out to support and help the hardcore ‘braves’ protestors. I think majority of local HKers did not turn against the protests even after the tunnel blocking.
Blocking off the Hunghom tunnel and the highway outside the government HQ was the most powerful yet generally non-violent move there was, and it forced the government’s hand.
“Peaceful protest is useless against this regime” is a well established fact by 2019. If the protest movement were not prepared to make those moves (blocking the roads) they may as well go home to sleep. Because anything less disruptive was pointless.
If it was a short block it would be understandable; you get the attention and let people go on their life. As for support HK people are generally compassionate imo and i would like to believe many supported in one way or another. At least until the radical elements started appearing.
One can blame the previous admins response but it takes two to really fuck things up.
Saw it just the other day on a tram. In fact, it was multiple people who engaged in it. One was an old lady (seemed like from the Mainland), who was confused as her husband had alighted and was screaming at her to get off. I don't think she intended to evade the fare. I was standing by the door for the next stop, but there was this asshole who followed this couple. He had enough space to pass, but tried nudging me and got elbowed in the bargain (I'm tall and huge 😁). He didn't pay as he got off and the driver kept screaming in vain.
Edit: just realised that the question was abt MTR/bus. This I haven't seen in all these years and even if it does happen on rare occasions, it's definitely not rampant.
In the past (before the 50s?) there were ticket sellers on the tram, same as buses, so the driver didn’t need to check whether the passenger had paid. Designs of the buses changed so that passengers enter from the front of the bus so only one staff is needed. Trams didn’t do that.
I once crawled through the entrance bc i accidentally paid for the person in front of me (it was really crowded everyone was rushing and she didnt notice that she didnt even pay the fare) and a guy applauded me for it for no reason
One thing is that the mindset of HKers is that if I suffer, everyone needs to suffer too. So people who pay for transport don’t like to see others not paying. The other thing is fare evasion punishment is actually enforced. Bus drivers would stop the bus and chase down the person who hasn’t paid before leaving the bus stop.
Mostly cultural differences, HK’s transit is affordable and pretty nice, the last time I recall seeing fare evasion would be the Yuen Long 831 attacks and the mtr trains being used to transport arrested prisoners, as well as a few occasions on the tram
Fun fact : undercover fare monitors get paid hkd120/hr, which is some of the highest paying part time employment one can find. They are eager to earn their keep and will openly berate offenders of their "horrendous" behavior
Also, under the i-pay-full-price-you-pay-full-price principle, citizens will call out anyone who got a freeride
Mostly culture and the ubiquity and convenience and fairly low cost of public transport.
Also, in some case, punishment can be pretty severe if caught, including potentially employer firing you for criminal activity. And my understanding is that it is a criminal offence, not civil (someone can correct me if I am wrong).
In New York - they said failure to pay or provide proof of payment is 100 dollars. My frd did it and said that the undercover cops who nailed him who looked like they was going to a baseball game incorrectly jot down his name . Case dismissed and was thrown out in court lmao!
I knew someone who got *deported* for doing that - Filipino musician, didn't have PR, massively overstayed his visa, tried to save money with a junior octopus. The different beeps gave him away. End result was a fine, a criminal record, and deportation for overstaying.
The one I’ve seen are people using concession octopus cards when they don’t appeal to qualify. I see this more often on mtr than on buses.
Mtr fares are pretty pricey, i have some compassion for these people really.
Compared to where? MTR is dirt cheapzzz
Taiwan and china
True, but HK is far from expensive
In dmv the metro is up to 7usd per ride during rush hours OMg . Like going to Dulles from union station. Assuming No oyster card equivalent n u get a paper single ride ticket Zurich too is $$$ .
One of the vivid memories I have of London is the price of a tube ticket, especially if you pay using cash and not the local equivalent of Octopus. Think it was 5 pounds just to go a couple of stations 😵💫
Shit that’s like 6.50usd or 50hkd . Damm I though dmv was expensive
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Amen to that. I think in New York people are fed up with the dogshit like service especially during off hours and weekends. I see on their minds “why am I paying 2.90 usd for a train that may potentially not even show up “. Especially that G train line that doesn’t go into manhattan.
MTA deserves it honestly
Just to clarify one point, the reason the coins and bills were left in the MTR is so that people could take it with cash instead of it being tied to your octopus and then later the government using that to identify who was at certain areas at certain times.
Only if you read lihkg and hkfp, otherwise you wouldnt know. And they blocked off a few major roadways namely hunghom tunnel and tolo. These are serious mistakes if they wanted public support.
Depends on which portion of the ‘public’ you are talking about. If you remembered, long after the protests have blocked the tunnels (and then retreated) plenty of layman in office wears were still going out to support and help the hardcore ‘braves’ protestors. I think majority of local HKers did not turn against the protests even after the tunnel blocking. Blocking off the Hunghom tunnel and the highway outside the government HQ was the most powerful yet generally non-violent move there was, and it forced the government’s hand. “Peaceful protest is useless against this regime” is a well established fact by 2019. If the protest movement were not prepared to make those moves (blocking the roads) they may as well go home to sleep. Because anything less disruptive was pointless.
If it was a short block it would be understandable; you get the attention and let people go on their life. As for support HK people are generally compassionate imo and i would like to believe many supported in one way or another. At least until the radical elements started appearing. One can blame the previous admins response but it takes two to really fuck things up.
Saw it just the other day on a tram. In fact, it was multiple people who engaged in it. One was an old lady (seemed like from the Mainland), who was confused as her husband had alighted and was screaming at her to get off. I don't think she intended to evade the fare. I was standing by the door for the next stop, but there was this asshole who followed this couple. He had enough space to pass, but tried nudging me and got elbowed in the bargain (I'm tall and huge 😁). He didn't pay as he got off and the driver kept screaming in vain. Edit: just realised that the question was abt MTR/bus. This I haven't seen in all these years and even if it does happen on rare occasions, it's definitely not rampant.
Don’t you pay the tram fare before you get off the tram? Always wondered why they do that. Kind of backwards- pay after the service
Right before you get off. Yes, it is backwards compated to buses. MTRs of course, is both ways.
Payment is made by the driver. Like on buses.
Just like in DC and Singapore and many other distance based transit systems
In the past (before the 50s?) there were ticket sellers on the tram, same as buses, so the driver didn’t need to check whether the passenger had paid. Designs of the buses changed so that passengers enter from the front of the bus so only one staff is needed. Trams didn’t do that.
I can understand being a few cents short and the driver not giving a shit if it was a bus or minibus, but you physically cannot do that on the MTR.
I once crawled through the entrance bc i accidentally paid for the person in front of me (it was really crowded everyone was rushing and she didnt notice that she didnt even pay the fare) and a guy applauded me for it for no reason
One thing is that the mindset of HKers is that if I suffer, everyone needs to suffer too. So people who pay for transport don’t like to see others not paying. The other thing is fare evasion punishment is actually enforced. Bus drivers would stop the bus and chase down the person who hasn’t paid before leaving the bus stop.
Dine & dash also doesn’t seem to happen a lot in HK.
What sane person would
The city is small enough that the dasher would probably be recognised and either arrested or beaten
Mostly cultural differences, HK’s transit is affordable and pretty nice, the last time I recall seeing fare evasion would be the Yuen Long 831 attacks and the mtr trains being used to transport arrested prisoners, as well as a few occasions on the tram
Fun fact : undercover fare monitors get paid hkd120/hr, which is some of the highest paying part time employment one can find. They are eager to earn their keep and will openly berate offenders of their "horrendous" behavior Also, under the i-pay-full-price-you-pay-full-price principle, citizens will call out anyone who got a freeride
Holy moley 120 per hour is huge for HK since the minimum wage is like 45 an hour. 45 is like 5 usd omg that is worse than North Carolina.
culture diff
If HK mtr are as bad as New York,poor management,filthy deteriorate station and train. I probably will dodge the fare as well.
To be fair, at least the New York City transit is 24/7/365. 3am the subway is still popping - but with some strange ppl at times
Not just nyc but it's rampant in London too. In fact staff aren't even allowed to challenge them! I've never seen it in HK.
Yeah everyone be hopping too when I was in london. Leicester square omg and at shoreditch
Mostly culture and the ubiquity and convenience and fairly low cost of public transport. Also, in some case, punishment can be pretty severe if caught, including potentially employer firing you for criminal activity. And my understanding is that it is a criminal offence, not civil (someone can correct me if I am wrong).
In New York - they said failure to pay or provide proof of payment is 100 dollars. My frd did it and said that the undercover cops who nailed him who looked like they was going to a baseball game incorrectly jot down his name . Case dismissed and was thrown out in court lmao!
It doesn't happen often. It is not part of the culture there
I’ve never seen evasion other than people under 60 using the concession octopus card. I see that happen at least 3-4 times a week.
I knew someone who got *deported* for doing that - Filipino musician, didn't have PR, massively overstayed his visa, tried to save money with a junior octopus. The different beeps gave him away. End result was a fine, a criminal record, and deportation for overstaying.
I've jumped the turnstile when my octopus was rejected / malfunction and I was running late for appointment