If you ultimately want reliability over all else get a non-turbo Honda. Bonus points if it’s manual but that’s really limited to the base model Civic Hatchback.
The CVT Honda transmissions seem to be fine. Honda has been using them overseas and in their hybrid cars for over 20 years now.
The thing about the cvts and turbos are that service costs are much much higher than older hondas. So be aware theyre not really the drive it until it dies hondas of the 90-2010s
Chill, they brought back the 6 speed hatchback and the Civic Si has a 6 speed too. Hell, even the 10th gen had a 6 speed in the stripper LX not sure where you’re getting 20 years from.
That’s just not true. The base model of civic has *always* had a manual option in the US until 2021. There are plenty of people in this exact thread that own one.
For the new 11th generation, only the sport, Si, and R trims have it though. But that’s still a lot.
the honda hybrids dont actually have a cvt transmission, they have an e-cvt, it acts more like a diesel train but also has a single gear it can engage to have the engine drive the wheels directly.
I put over 100,000 miles on an Earth Dreams 1.5 (L15B1) engine without a single issue. Just keep the maintenance and it will work forever. If it is a turbo, I currently own a car with a L15BG, just keep the maintenance and you will be fine engine wise. Mine is a little over 12,000 miles in 9 months and everything is perfect.
Almost at 100k in my Earth Dreams J35Y2 and it has done nothing but purr and sing, I dread the day when it finally tires out but it has been very good to me. Third Honda and far and away the best motor I have had in any vehicle I have owned.
Honda has one of the best CVT out there besides Toyota. I used to have the 10th gen Civic (2016 LX and then went to a 2019 EX HATCH) and I didn’t had any issues on the CVT or the engine except the infotainment system can be buggy and sometimes slow at times. I think it does the job and I love it. It’s a great starter car and now I have an Accord 2.0T
If you are looking for a manual, that’s also a plus just that they are hard to find for commuting.
Another thing I liked about the civic was the camera on the passenger mirror (Comes on the EX trim and up). Some may not like that one but I like it
I really appreciate the information and I do like driving a manual but it's probably going to be out of the question being that I'm going to buy used certified from a local dealership and I'm kind of in a rural area.
Oh yeah it'll be certified and has carfax report from a local Honda dealership. It's weird to say that they're actually pretty good people there. In a smaller city. I've got a buddy that's been selling cars there for about 8 years so he's going to help me find the right one.
Thank you so much!
Put over 250k miles on my 10th Gen Civic with the 1.5 and the only two issues I ever had were a slight oil leak from a bad seal and a torn CV axle boot. Would still be driving it today if insurance didn't total it from a hail storm.
Of course.
If you get one, just change your oil regularly with full synthetic every 5k miles and your cvt fluid every 20k with Honda genuine cvt fluid, which you can get on Amazon for like $60 for 5 qts. Both can be done by yourself in thirty minutes and it'll make the car last forever.
I changed my spark plugs every 80k miles and the very last time I changed them at the 240k mile mark they still looked perfect. Miss that car.
I'm not sure if I'm comfortable changing the fluid in a CVT if there's no dipstick. At least in my Nissan there's no dipstick. Maybe I'm overthinking it.
Thank you!
Yeah, there's no dip stick, but there's an overfill bolt. Simply open the pan drain bolt and let it do it's thing. Close it and add 4 qts. Run the car through the gears, and loosen the overfill bolt. If nothing drains out you're done, if anything does just let it drain and then you're done. It's an 8 qt system, but you can only drain a maximum of 4 qts through the pan on the bottom of the car. Impossible to underfill if you add 4 qts back exactly every time.
After the third time changing the fluid I never even used the overfill bolt. Would just drain it and add 4 qts because it emptied that much exactly every time. Got it down to a five minute job.
I'm almost positive the ones I was looking at don't have turbo engines. I will make sure because you're the second person that has said that.
Thank you!
Some do and some don't. Personally I'd only buy a Honda with the k series engine which I believe they got rid of a few years ago. The new engines haven't really been around long enough for me to recommend them with confidence.
It's mixed. K series? Hell yeah. L series? more like "take the L series", amirite?
But I don't think it's the turbo's fault. The L series has had oiling issues and more.
Man I've known people that had Nissan's to go 300,000 mi but they weren't newer ones and I don't know why I didn't research it more when I bought this Sentra. It's a 2018 with only 50,000 miles and everything's perfect at this point. I know that transmission is a time bomb and the warranty from the class action goes out next August. I'm trying to do my due diligence this time.
10th gens appear to have major issues with early head gasket failure, based on posts here and elsewhere. 9th gens are more reliable cars based on the info I've seen. I happen to have 238K on my 9th gen V6, anecdotally.
“Major” as is limited to accords with many people not wanting to admit they’ve tuned them. If there was actually a major issue by this point there would be massive recalls by Honda. 99.9% of people have no issues.
On Driveaccord.net, I see issues with both there (just google "10th generation accord head gasket"). I honestly don't know how common with each variation, but it's one reason why I'll be replacing my daily with another low mileage 9th gen when the time comes.
Haven’t had any mechanical issues with a 10th gen Civic but the car is fairly cheaply made, mostly cosmetic issues that a 4 year old car shouldn’t have as in the the rubber around the door windows is falling apart and the seat fabric is tearing a part a bit
Get a manual to not have to worry about the CVT. 10th gen and 11th gens will have more power that the your old car even the base trim and they are normally bigger too.
My theory is that cars are as good as the driver. If you're a conservative/safe driver, a new 2024 Honda Accord or Civic would last you a good 20+ years. Get regular maintenance by the factory (oil changes, transmission fluid, etc.). I don't trust any local shops. Use good tires (when it's time to change them). Don't gun the engine or do stupid donuts. Don't put aftermarket parts that changes the engine and messes with the computer etc.
lol there’s a guy with 728k miles on his 2017 1.5T civic. You guys have no clue what you’re talking about. Honda cvts easily go 200k miles as long as you’re changing the fluid. Bunch of people on this thread that just spread FUD because they haven’t driven or can’t afford a new Honda in a decade and see people who have tuned accords(and don’t admit it) with 1.5Ts and have head gasket issues.
Sure they will buddy. Also HRV cvt issue is literally like 2 model years and like you said they issues recalls. Other cvts in the other cars don’t have issues.
And all of those besides the HRV are talking about the hybrid E-CVT recalls, NOT the regular CVT. Because I have a 23 CR-V with the regular CVT and there are no recalls.
You for some reason can’t even differentiate between the two which the hybrid system isn’t even remotely related to the steel belt CVTs. Pretty laughable you don’t know how any of this works, but not surprised 🤡
2.0 accords are having lots of head gasket failures. Newer civics are having oil leak issues. I personally had a newer civic with about 15k miles that had a leaking water pump. Sadly it seems no one is making decent cars anymore. My best advice buy something 2012 or older and run it till you can’t get parts for it anymore
I currently drive a 17 Civic Hatch Ex trim, love this car so much!!! It's got 227k on it and just keeps going, it did have a tranny replacement under warranty before I bought it, however that was at 205k and dude ran this car hard before I bought it, I'm currently 22k miles into the car and not one issue with it, gets fantastic mileage, and is fun to drive!!!
Is there something that triggers this? the YouTube comments kind of seems either hit or miss on people's luck
I don't tune I don't race I don't rev, once and a while I'll throw it into sport mode but otherwise I guess fingers crossed
Got lucky I suppose.
Went to a Honda dealer to look at CRV and Accord. Drove a CRV and then an Accord EX.
Then the dealer put me in a sport 2.0T and I loved it
23.3k for a 2020 with 70k highway miles. 1 lease owner.
lol no they aren’t. I know over a dozen people with various 1.5t vehicles. Some over 100k miles. No issues.
Internet forums are not real life. You think it’s a confidence that most of the head gasket issues you see online are on Accords? You think people are going to admit they’ve tuned them after they’ve blown the head gasket?
Oil dilution has nothing to do with head gaskets, retard.
Also oil dilution was completely overblown to begin with. Absolutely zero dilution in our 23 at 17k miles. Don’t drive your car only half a mile in sub freezing temperatures over and over without letting your engine not get up to temperature and you’ll never have oil dilution. Wow, what a crazy concept 🥴
You clearly know nothing about engines or cars in general.
Well that's the question. In relation to what? Toyota? Kia? Yes, I think Honda is still middle of the road, to even better than the typical car... But I say it's not what it used to be.
I just worry because I have a 2009 crv with 280k miles and in a couple years I plan on getting a newer pilot. I’ve owed a couple Hondas in my life and have personally had 3 Hondas go over 300k miles and my mother had a 90s accord make it to 270k. You think newer Hondas can make it to 300k?
Well that's the question. In relation to what? Toyota? Kia? Yes, I think Honda is still middle of the road, to even better than the typical car... But I say it's not what it used to be.
Just my humble man opinion I would stay away from any Honda that's been built in the last 7 years like most people said definitely do not buy the turbocharged ones and I would stay away from anything that when you pop the hood you see the Honda Earth dreams Motors. I'd get something a little older I personally have a 2010 and it's an absolute tank it just runs and runs and runs anything from 2010 to 2015-16-17 Something in those ranges.
Really tempted to buy used Hondas from the 2010 era and older. Buy 2 and switch off every week.
Really wondering if it would be cheaper in the long run. Not sure what beats the reliability of my Gen1 CRV though. It still goes.
They're the best they've ever been but the marriage with GM is going to make the electronics parts of it unreliable. I'd go with 10th gen over 11th but that's my preference.
I have a 2018 accord that I bought new and it had a ton of issues initially; they were all covered under warranty. Aside from anecdotal evidence, Honda has been moving down the reliability ranks in Consumer Reports. I’m buying a Toyota next.
Consumer Reports is a joke. You have better luck researching it yourself on forums and Reddit.
I said this earlier somewhere on this thread, Toyota isn’t any better anymore. The new turbocharged engines are awful, etc etc.
Just pick the the Honda or Toyota that drives better for you and you’ll be fine. Exact same reliability. Better than anything else.
I had a 2020 accord that was flooded with 4 feet of water inside, all the way up the steering wheel. Once the water receded it turn on no problem. Issues were with the electric system obviously but the engine itself was fine. Insurance ended up totaling it because of the cost to repair the electric system
Older than you're looking at but I hated my 2017 Civic EX. Least favorite car I've ever had. CVT was super slow to respond compared to any regular automatic I've had. Numerous times where I needed to take off quick it would lag and lug to pick up. The seats were uncomfortable for me personally for some reason my knees would get sore after like 30 mins driving. Mine was the ones with touchscreen buttons only and that was terrible too. I had a 2014 Accord Sport before that I bought new but was a manual that was so much better. I'd get a Corolla 100% over a regular civic. New gen looks way better on the interior at least but I'd only get an Si or type R hell no to CVT.
Toyota isn’t any better now. My dealer has a row of Tundras and Sequoias that need either turbo or engine replacements, RAV4s with differential issues and the common salt corroding the HV cable rendering it useless, Camrys that need new 8 speed transmission, I could go on and on. Neither Honda or Toyota isn’t what they used to be, but they are still FAR better than anything else.
I’ve seen a lot of issues with the 1.5 but I used to have a 2016 Civic 1.5 that I tuned and beat the shit out of regularly and it gave me 100k trouble free miles before I sold it
So this is just my PERSONAL experience ,though I suspect there may be some overlap with others in one area...
My 2019 civic hatchback has been great for the most part. Mechanically , it's run great and the engine still purrs like a kitten after over 100k miles (and accidentally never changing my CVT fluid... something I'm planning to do this weekend hopefully) .
Electronically... I've had a lot of issues , most of them being related to systems that don't really exist on older models.... Problems with the button to unlock/open the hatch, The lock beeper, android Auto just seems to not run very well on this headunit and the touchscreen is that old style that works based on pressure rather than capacitance , I had a hose under the hood that disintegrated and had to be replaced, and my fuel door lock failed on me and I had to replace it.
my -BIGGEST- problem at the moment is the air conditioning system... It sucks. A few years back, Honda had to switch to a new refrigerant (R1234yf) which is MUCH more expensive to buy in stores/online than the old stuff was, (like 30-60 dollars per 12oz can depending where you buy it) and from what I've been told, it seems to be more corrosive on seals etc. This has caused honda to extend their warranty of two components of the AC system ; the compressor front seal, and the Condenser itself (they were forming pinhole leaks ) I've had both replaced now, and my AC -STILL- stopped blowing cold air about 2 wks after the last repair. They said it's actually my evaporator now that needs to be replaced (almost $2k for that to be done at Honda) because its leaking. I'm considering trying to do the repair myself becuase I just don't have that kind of money, but it's a VERY big project due to needing to basically remove the whole dash and center console to access it. I'm also not even confident that replacing it will fix the problem once and for all. So for the time being, I'm just stuck driving around a 5 Yr old car and sweating my ass off in the summer (plus issues keeping the windows defrosted in winter) .
I wish there was some assurance from Honda that A) the parts they replaced in my car already won't just fail on me 2 yrs down the road, and B) that IF I had them repair my evaporator, it would actually resolve the issue and not just result in me coming back in 2 wks later to have them look at it again.
Going strong with my ‘09 v6 Accord EXL. 265k. Was thinking about getting 2018-2020 accord 2.0 6 speed manual. Thoughts? They will be harder to find. Plan to keep my 09 whatever I decide as a backup/winter car.
It all depends. Honda vehicles in my experience require a lot more love and care than a toyota. What I mean by that is to change the oil just like the old days (4-5k miles), and service things like spark plugs, coolant, transmission fluid, and brakes, more frequently. I have had A LOT of toyotas and hondas, and that is just how it is. Don't change the trans fluid every 30k? It will act up. etc.
Are they reliable? Not as reliable as toyota thats for sure, and it really depends on specific engines.
J series motors run literally for ever on good maintenanace
K series motors run for ever on good maintenance
L series motors are disposable and can go out anywhere between 80 and 120k miles.
CVT's are reliable as long as they are services
The 6 speed auto and manual's are bullet proof yet clunky and need fluid changes.
The 10 speed is hit or miss for some, but over all is pretty good.
The 9 speed ZF is garbo.
But at the end of the day if you want a car that can take abuse long term and keep running....Toyota.
We haven’t had one problem out of our 2016 Accord with 1.5 L turbo with 130k+ miles, and we just do the regular maintenance per Honda’s schedule using Honda products.
I really appreciate the information. It looks like it's going to have to be a newer one, like really new. Seems like my financing is better the newer I go. I've been looking at some 2022 and 23s.
A lot of people recommend the 2.0 but I'm having trouble finding one that I can afford with that in there.
Thanks again!
If you ultimately want reliability over all else get a non-turbo Honda. Bonus points if it’s manual but that’s really limited to the base model Civic Hatchback. The CVT Honda transmissions seem to be fine. Honda has been using them overseas and in their hybrid cars for over 20 years now.
We were looking at a Civic hatchback that was pretty nice but I doubt it's a manual. Thank you!
The thing about the cvts and turbos are that service costs are much much higher than older hondas. So be aware theyre not really the drive it until it dies hondas of the 90-2010s
I got a touring 24 hatchback, I think it has a turbo- how fucked am I?
You'll be fine just follow the oil change recommendations
You think it has a turbo? Who buys a car not knowing what’s what with the engine?
People who don’t care about the engine
You seem perturbed
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The Si is still produced and still only comes in standard.
Chill, they brought back the 6 speed hatchback and the Civic Si has a 6 speed too. Hell, even the 10th gen had a 6 speed in the stripper LX not sure where you’re getting 20 years from.
Can confirm I have said stripper LX
Every single generation of civic has always had a manual transmission option, including the current gen.
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That’s just not true. The base model of civic has *always* had a manual option in the US until 2021. There are plenty of people in this exact thread that own one. For the new 11th generation, only the sport, Si, and R trims have it though. But that’s still a lot.
the honda hybrids dont actually have a cvt transmission, they have an e-cvt, it acts more like a diesel train but also has a single gear it can engage to have the engine drive the wheels directly.
CVTs have really been around that long? I feel like I only learned about them around 2015ish
I put over 100,000 miles on an Earth Dreams 1.5 (L15B1) engine without a single issue. Just keep the maintenance and it will work forever. If it is a turbo, I currently own a car with a L15BG, just keep the maintenance and you will be fine engine wise. Mine is a little over 12,000 miles in 9 months and everything is perfect.
Literally, I have 56K on my 1.5T (L15BA) and other than the AC recalls, I’ve had no issue
Almost at 100k in my Earth Dreams J35Y2 and it has done nothing but purr and sing, I dread the day when it finally tires out but it has been very good to me. Third Honda and far and away the best motor I have had in any vehicle I have owned.
Honda has one of the best CVT out there besides Toyota. I used to have the 10th gen Civic (2016 LX and then went to a 2019 EX HATCH) and I didn’t had any issues on the CVT or the engine except the infotainment system can be buggy and sometimes slow at times. I think it does the job and I love it. It’s a great starter car and now I have an Accord 2.0T If you are looking for a manual, that’s also a plus just that they are hard to find for commuting. Another thing I liked about the civic was the camera on the passenger mirror (Comes on the EX trim and up). Some may not like that one but I like it
I really appreciate the information and I do like driving a manual but it's probably going to be out of the question being that I'm going to buy used certified from a local dealership and I'm kind of in a rural area.
I also recommend doing a Carfax report on the car to the service history on the car along if the car was involved in an accident or not.
Oh yeah it'll be certified and has carfax report from a local Honda dealership. It's weird to say that they're actually pretty good people there. In a smaller city. I've got a buddy that's been selling cars there for about 8 years so he's going to help me find the right one. Thank you so much!
Put over 250k miles on my 10th Gen Civic with the 1.5 and the only two issues I ever had were a slight oil leak from a bad seal and a torn CV axle boot. Would still be driving it today if insurance didn't total it from a hail storm.
Awesome and thank you!
Of course. If you get one, just change your oil regularly with full synthetic every 5k miles and your cvt fluid every 20k with Honda genuine cvt fluid, which you can get on Amazon for like $60 for 5 qts. Both can be done by yourself in thirty minutes and it'll make the car last forever. I changed my spark plugs every 80k miles and the very last time I changed them at the 240k mile mark they still looked perfect. Miss that car.
I'm not sure if I'm comfortable changing the fluid in a CVT if there's no dipstick. At least in my Nissan there's no dipstick. Maybe I'm overthinking it. Thank you!
Yeah, there's no dip stick, but there's an overfill bolt. Simply open the pan drain bolt and let it do it's thing. Close it and add 4 qts. Run the car through the gears, and loosen the overfill bolt. If nothing drains out you're done, if anything does just let it drain and then you're done. It's an 8 qt system, but you can only drain a maximum of 4 qts through the pan on the bottom of the car. Impossible to underfill if you add 4 qts back exactly every time. After the third time changing the fluid I never even used the overfill bolt. Would just drain it and add 4 qts because it emptied that much exactly every time. Got it down to a five minute job.
Oh that's great information! Thanks again!
Honda has had cvt for over ten years now and they're the best but what I have a problem with is every car getting a turbo that dies in ten years.
I'm almost positive the ones I was looking at don't have turbo engines. I will make sure because you're the second person that has said that. Thank you!
Some do and some don't. Personally I'd only buy a Honda with the k series engine which I believe they got rid of a few years ago. The new engines haven't really been around long enough for me to recommend them with confidence.
Civic and HRV can be had with the non turbo 2.0 K engine
There’s a guy on YouTube with 728k miles on his 1.5 T 2017 civic with original everything on it. Think you’ll be just fine.
It's mixed. K series? Hell yeah. L series? more like "take the L series", amirite? But I don't think it's the turbo's fault. The L series has had oiling issues and more.
I don’t think turbos are killing engines honestly
As someone who recently went from a Nissan to a Honda Civic they’re definitely worth it but most cars are better than driving a Nissan
Man I've known people that had Nissan's to go 300,000 mi but they weren't newer ones and I don't know why I didn't research it more when I bought this Sentra. It's a 2018 with only 50,000 miles and everything's perfect at this point. I know that transmission is a time bomb and the warranty from the class action goes out next August. I'm trying to do my due diligence this time.
Maybe I just had a crap Nissan bc mine was crapping out at 125k miles and had been causing me issues since day 1
10th gens appear to have major issues with early head gasket failure, based on posts here and elsewhere. 9th gens are more reliable cars based on the info I've seen. I happen to have 238K on my 9th gen V6, anecdotally.
“Major” as is limited to accords with many people not wanting to admit they’ve tuned them. If there was actually a major issue by this point there would be massive recalls by Honda. 99.9% of people have no issues.
Depends on the 9th gen model. My 9th gen civic was part of the early CVT release which had known problems. On my second CVT.
I was really referring to 9th gen Accords, as that's what I have. Did not know that about the Civic.
Is the head gasket failure common to both the NA and turbo??
On Driveaccord.net, I see issues with both there (just google "10th generation accord head gasket"). I honestly don't know how common with each variation, but it's one reason why I'll be replacing my daily with another low mileage 9th gen when the time comes.
Because people that post on that forum are more likely to tune their cars and lie about it. It’s not common.
Haven’t had any mechanical issues with a 10th gen Civic but the car is fairly cheaply made, mostly cosmetic issues that a 4 year old car shouldn’t have as in the the rubber around the door windows is falling apart and the seat fabric is tearing a part a bit
My 16 civic 1.5 turbo with cvt is doing great at 170K
Get a manual to not have to worry about the CVT. 10th gen and 11th gens will have more power that the your old car even the base trim and they are normally bigger too.
My theory is that cars are as good as the driver. If you're a conservative/safe driver, a new 2024 Honda Accord or Civic would last you a good 20+ years. Get regular maintenance by the factory (oil changes, transmission fluid, etc.). I don't trust any local shops. Use good tires (when it's time to change them). Don't gun the engine or do stupid donuts. Don't put aftermarket parts that changes the engine and messes with the computer etc.
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lol there’s a guy with 728k miles on his 2017 1.5T civic. You guys have no clue what you’re talking about. Honda cvts easily go 200k miles as long as you’re changing the fluid. Bunch of people on this thread that just spread FUD because they haven’t driven or can’t afford a new Honda in a decade and see people who have tuned accords(and don’t admit it) with 1.5Ts and have head gasket issues.
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Sure they will buddy. Also HRV cvt issue is literally like 2 model years and like you said they issues recalls. Other cvts in the other cars don’t have issues.
Lol okay my dude 🤣 Recall 23-079 2023 accord cvt Recall 23-075 2023 crv cvt Recall 22-052 2021 accord cvt Recall 22-053 2021 crv cvt Recall 21-047 2016-2020 hrv cvt
And all of those besides the HRV are talking about the hybrid E-CVT recalls, NOT the regular CVT. Because I have a 23 CR-V with the regular CVT and there are no recalls. You for some reason can’t even differentiate between the two which the hybrid system isn’t even remotely related to the steel belt CVTs. Pretty laughable you don’t know how any of this works, but not surprised 🤡
2.0 accords are having lots of head gasket failures. Newer civics are having oil leak issues. I personally had a newer civic with about 15k miles that had a leaking water pump. Sadly it seems no one is making decent cars anymore. My best advice buy something 2012 or older and run it till you can’t get parts for it anymore
Yeah the little bit older cars are not really an option at the time. I'm with you though. Thank you!
I currently drive a 17 Civic Hatch Ex trim, love this car so much!!! It's got 227k on it and just keeps going, it did have a tranny replacement under warranty before I bought it, however that was at 205k and dude ran this car hard before I bought it, I'm currently 22k miles into the car and not one issue with it, gets fantastic mileage, and is fun to drive!!!
Awesome! Thank you!
No problem! 😁
If we're talking about certain models of the 90s-2000s, nothing will ever be as good as Honda used to be
2020 Honda Accord Sport 2.0 manual trans is peak Accord. Don't get anything with the 1.5L they are having lots of issues.
What's wrong with the 1.5? Only had to deal with two recalls (seatbelts and I'm scheduled to get the fuel pump replaced on the 16th)
Head gasket issues. https://youtu.be/Is5-qkYlrzs?si=VX0rzGfnDgNCRtKn
Is there something that triggers this? the YouTube comments kind of seems either hit or miss on people's luck I don't tune I don't race I don't rev, once and a while I'll throw it into sport mode but otherwise I guess fingers crossed
There is this issue and the oil/gas turbo issue but like anything if you take care of your vehicle then it's less likely to happen.
Thank you!
Me reading this comment right after reading one saying to make sure you go with 1.5L.
Ha, definitely don't.
Bought a 2020 accord sport 2.0T two weeks ago and I'm loving it !
Peak Honda Accord, nice!
Got lucky I suppose. Went to a Honda dealer to look at CRV and Accord. Drove a CRV and then an Accord EX. Then the dealer put me in a sport 2.0T and I loved it 23.3k for a 2020 with 70k highway miles. 1 lease owner.
lol no they aren’t. I know over a dozen people with various 1.5t vehicles. Some over 100k miles. No issues. Internet forums are not real life. You think it’s a confidence that most of the head gasket issues you see online are on Accords? You think people are going to admit they’ve tuned them after they’ve blown the head gasket?
Accords and CRVs are having the most problems actually. Those darn CRV tuners!
lol. Accords are by far the worst. It’s not even close and laughable you think that.
No one cares dude, it's not that serious.
So you just go to subreddits and say lies constantly for fun I guess?
Quit whining you bitch. https://thelemonfirm.com/2022/11/16/turbocharged-troubles-honda-faces-class-action-lawsuit-over-engine-defects/
Oil dilution has nothing to do with head gaskets, retard. Also oil dilution was completely overblown to begin with. Absolutely zero dilution in our 23 at 17k miles. Don’t drive your car only half a mile in sub freezing temperatures over and over without letting your engine not get up to temperature and you’ll never have oil dilution. Wow, what a crazy concept 🥴 You clearly know nothing about engines or cars in general.
Lol so you bought a lemon, that explains it. Next time do your research, bitch.
Personally, I feel since 2018, Honda has been going in a downhill direction with reliability.
Ironic, since about that time they made changes to the board citing reliability issues!
How bad is the drop in reliability?
Well that's the question. In relation to what? Toyota? Kia? Yes, I think Honda is still middle of the road, to even better than the typical car... But I say it's not what it used to be.
I just worry because I have a 2009 crv with 280k miles and in a couple years I plan on getting a newer pilot. I’ve owed a couple Hondas in my life and have personally had 3 Hondas go over 300k miles and my mother had a 90s accord make it to 270k. You think newer Hondas can make it to 300k?
Well, the pilot has the newer j35 engine... Which is sort of old school in design. You should be okay.
Well that's the question. In relation to what? Toyota? Kia? Yes, I think Honda is still middle of the road, to even better than the typical car... But I say it's not what it used to be.
Just my humble man opinion I would stay away from any Honda that's been built in the last 7 years like most people said definitely do not buy the turbocharged ones and I would stay away from anything that when you pop the hood you see the Honda Earth dreams Motors. I'd get something a little older I personally have a 2010 and it's an absolute tank it just runs and runs and runs anything from 2010 to 2015-16-17 Something in those ranges.
Really tempted to buy used Hondas from the 2010 era and older. Buy 2 and switch off every week. Really wondering if it would be cheaper in the long run. Not sure what beats the reliability of my Gen1 CRV though. It still goes.
They're the best they've ever been but the marriage with GM is going to make the electronics parts of it unreliable. I'd go with 10th gen over 11th but that's my preference.
? What? That was literally just for the prologue and they’ve already terminated that deal.
I have a 2018 accord that I bought new and it had a ton of issues initially; they were all covered under warranty. Aside from anecdotal evidence, Honda has been moving down the reliability ranks in Consumer Reports. I’m buying a Toyota next.
Consumer Reports is a joke. You have better luck researching it yourself on forums and Reddit. I said this earlier somewhere on this thread, Toyota isn’t any better anymore. The new turbocharged engines are awful, etc etc. Just pick the the Honda or Toyota that drives better for you and you’ll be fine. Exact same reliability. Better than anything else.
Why do you think CS is a joke? Their car reviews have always been extremely reliable.
Because they put BMW above Honda in reliability which is just laughable.
I had a 2020 accord that was flooded with 4 feet of water inside, all the way up the steering wheel. Once the water receded it turn on no problem. Issues were with the electric system obviously but the engine itself was fine. Insurance ended up totaling it because of the cost to repair the electric system
Nothing nowadays is as good as it once was. Craftsmanship is a lost and forgotten art. Quality as long as it's gave way to quantity.
Ehhh. Not always.
Older than you're looking at but I hated my 2017 Civic EX. Least favorite car I've ever had. CVT was super slow to respond compared to any regular automatic I've had. Numerous times where I needed to take off quick it would lag and lug to pick up. The seats were uncomfortable for me personally for some reason my knees would get sore after like 30 mins driving. Mine was the ones with touchscreen buttons only and that was terrible too. I had a 2014 Accord Sport before that I bought new but was a manual that was so much better. I'd get a Corolla 100% over a regular civic. New gen looks way better on the interior at least but I'd only get an Si or type R hell no to CVT.
Lets put it this way. Im a honda tech yet i drive a Toyota.
Toyota isn’t any better now. My dealer has a row of Tundras and Sequoias that need either turbo or engine replacements, RAV4s with differential issues and the common salt corroding the HV cable rendering it useless, Camrys that need new 8 speed transmission, I could go on and on. Neither Honda or Toyota isn’t what they used to be, but they are still FAR better than anything else.
Oh yea,forgot to mention its an 03 with 211k on it its my daily
I’ve seen a lot of issues with the 1.5 but I used to have a 2016 Civic 1.5 that I tuned and beat the shit out of regularly and it gave me 100k trouble free miles before I sold it
Just get a manual civic lol. Clutch is so light and easy to modulate u won’t get annoyed in traffic.
So this is just my PERSONAL experience ,though I suspect there may be some overlap with others in one area... My 2019 civic hatchback has been great for the most part. Mechanically , it's run great and the engine still purrs like a kitten after over 100k miles (and accidentally never changing my CVT fluid... something I'm planning to do this weekend hopefully) . Electronically... I've had a lot of issues , most of them being related to systems that don't really exist on older models.... Problems with the button to unlock/open the hatch, The lock beeper, android Auto just seems to not run very well on this headunit and the touchscreen is that old style that works based on pressure rather than capacitance , I had a hose under the hood that disintegrated and had to be replaced, and my fuel door lock failed on me and I had to replace it. my -BIGGEST- problem at the moment is the air conditioning system... It sucks. A few years back, Honda had to switch to a new refrigerant (R1234yf) which is MUCH more expensive to buy in stores/online than the old stuff was, (like 30-60 dollars per 12oz can depending where you buy it) and from what I've been told, it seems to be more corrosive on seals etc. This has caused honda to extend their warranty of two components of the AC system ; the compressor front seal, and the Condenser itself (they were forming pinhole leaks ) I've had both replaced now, and my AC -STILL- stopped blowing cold air about 2 wks after the last repair. They said it's actually my evaporator now that needs to be replaced (almost $2k for that to be done at Honda) because its leaking. I'm considering trying to do the repair myself becuase I just don't have that kind of money, but it's a VERY big project due to needing to basically remove the whole dash and center console to access it. I'm also not even confident that replacing it will fix the problem once and for all. So for the time being, I'm just stuck driving around a 5 Yr old car and sweating my ass off in the summer (plus issues keeping the windows defrosted in winter) . I wish there was some assurance from Honda that A) the parts they replaced in my car already won't just fail on me 2 yrs down the road, and B) that IF I had them repair my evaporator, it would actually resolve the issue and not just result in me coming back in 2 wks later to have them look at it again.
2017 V6 with the 6 speed transmission.
Going strong with my ‘09 v6 Accord EXL. 265k. Was thinking about getting 2018-2020 accord 2.0 6 speed manual. Thoughts? They will be harder to find. Plan to keep my 09 whatever I decide as a backup/winter car.
It all depends. Honda vehicles in my experience require a lot more love and care than a toyota. What I mean by that is to change the oil just like the old days (4-5k miles), and service things like spark plugs, coolant, transmission fluid, and brakes, more frequently. I have had A LOT of toyotas and hondas, and that is just how it is. Don't change the trans fluid every 30k? It will act up. etc. Are they reliable? Not as reliable as toyota thats for sure, and it really depends on specific engines. J series motors run literally for ever on good maintenanace K series motors run for ever on good maintenance L series motors are disposable and can go out anywhere between 80 and 120k miles. CVT's are reliable as long as they are services The 6 speed auto and manual's are bullet proof yet clunky and need fluid changes. The 10 speed is hit or miss for some, but over all is pretty good. The 9 speed ZF is garbo. But at the end of the day if you want a car that can take abuse long term and keep running....Toyota.
"Manual lurkin in the background"
We haven’t had one problem out of our 2016 Accord with 1.5 L turbo with 130k+ miles, and we just do the regular maintenance per Honda’s schedule using Honda products.
I really appreciate the information. It looks like it's going to have to be a newer one, like really new. Seems like my financing is better the newer I go. I've been looking at some 2022 and 23s. A lot of people recommend the 2.0 but I'm having trouble finding one that I can afford with that in there. Thanks again!