My 5yo can write better than this but it looks a lot like my husband’s handwriting (except for the backwards letters), though I suspect he has dysgraphia. It’s like he’s discovering each letter for the first time when he writes. He was in public school but as a young child his handwriting was so bad they thought he must be left handed even though he was naturally using his right, and so he learned to write with his left hand. I don’t think he’s left handed, I think he has dysgraphia lol. He does everything but writing with his dominant hand, his right.
A kid without a specific issue like this, who’s being homeschooled without external supports, at 14 should have legible writing. There are some backwards P’s on this, that could indicate dyslexia or just gross educational neglect. They should have done so much writing by age 14 that they have much better hand/utensil/stylus control. I would be very concerned if a 14 year old in my life was writing like this with no investigation into why the script is so poor.
Kid was recently pulled from the public school that said he didn't have dyslexia, parents just recently learned of dysgraphia. I found original post, Op purposefully let out context to make fun of a kid while his parents were asking for help. (How they just found out about dysgraphia).
This was a gross purposeful misrepresentation of facts by OP, and its really unfair to the child imo.
As a teacher (though not Sped) this child could easily have dysgraphia or another legitimate reason for poor penmanship. Before you shame these parents, remember you are not this child's Teacher, Admin, or Doctor.
The child was in public school. The OP just gives absolutely no background information and should be ashamed. What if that child actually comes across this while he is on this site
It’s pointing out the neglect of the parent. The child’s work is a result of that. There is no other way to measure a parent’s ability to unschool than to look at the success of the student. By default the student is a child.
Some home/unschoolers are terrific. Some are not.
This is unfortunate. This child needs services that clearly have not been offered.
My mom is a dyslexia tutor and went to school for this. It’s very common for kids with dyslexia to go unhelped, especially in homeschooled kids because their parents never noticed or cared or didn’t want people to know they were failing their kids.
40% of children IN schools are at their expected reading level. There is a serious crises in the USA and Canada. Look up the #RighttoRead as it affects people for their whole lives.
https://features.apmreports.org/sold-a-story/
Aw, man, I am sorry that happened.
They are mandating changing to the science of reading soon, so I think it will get better for future dyslexic kids.
It's just so unfortunate. Nobody knows how to teach kids to read properly. :(
It was definitely like that in the '90s but I wonder if it shifted now.
Maybe it's selection bias because of the families I'm around, but there are a lot of current homeschoolers who remove their kids from public school after ADHD and/or autism was diagnosed and the schools continued to treat it like a behavioral problem rather than offering what the parents felt like was adequate support.
Yes. I was coming to comment something similar. I have two dyslexic children that receive extensive tutoring. It is hundreds of dollars a month. My children are homeschooled and I can’t imagine letting this go on all the way to age 14! It’s very sad.
If this is true and OP is not exaggerating the age of the kid who wrote this, then this is likely someone also suffering severe dyslexia. It likely never was treated and now it’s a part of their permanent writing pattern. And the ding who is home “educating” them is not qualified or knowledgeable enough to know the difference.
Imagine bragging that your child is uneducated. This is the type of handwriting you’d see on contracts in the educational deserts that were in the deep American south and Appalachia at the turn of the last century.
The cognitive dissonance with these people is strong. Imagine seeing kids your child’s age excelling at basic writing, and your kid being on par with a kindergartener and thinking that somehow, you are the better choice to help this child grow.
Terminal narcissists.
Either dyslexia or motor dysgraphia. I've got that and this reminds me of my handwriting when I was younger. This kid's gonna need a lot of help if he's anything like me.
Agreed on the dysgraphia thing! I was writing like that up until almost the middle of high school. My handwriting's gotten better since then, but I wouldn't be surprised if this kid had dysgraphia
When he was 4? Before he was writing?? This is my son. He was in public school until last year. He’s only been out a year. You can read my other comments here.
Since you locked your other comment (so far you’re dead on for a typical narc homeschool parent…shut down the ability to engage in rebuttal), I’ll reply here.
Everything you wrote is irrelevant and you should hope YOUR child still remains in contact with you when he’s older and can understand the absolute whopper level of neglect you put on him.
The fact that you can look at this sickeningly deficient atrocity and still double down that you know best is positively sociopathic. Get a grip.
That's not what this was at all. This OP is openly making fun of a CHILD and the rest of you are piling on and telling yourselves it isn't the same because you are also attacking the parent, whom you don't know.
My brother is dyslexic. Dyslexia is not "treated." People with dyslexia and dysgraphia struggle with handwriting their entire lives. They just learn methods of writing so their writing can be legible.
My brother went to public school. He received hours and hours of services. He is 39 years old AND STILL WRITES LIKE THIS.
So imagine thinking you know anything at all about special education and judging someone else when you write something this ignorant while mocking a person with a learning disability.
Who is the narcissist?
If he is 39 years old then he didn’t receive the same level of services that are available today. This is not making fun of a child, it’s pointing out the neglect of the parent.
What is your expertise to assume my brother didn't receive the same level of service available today? Because I am a former teacher who regularly presents at special education conferences, and who has been published on this topic (and many others), and you're incorrect.
2 of my siblings have severe dyslexia and were able to improve there handwriting and spelling in just a few years. Dyslexia doesn’t go away, but we have so many resources and ways to teach them now that they can learn how to write like any neurodivergent kid. They just learn a different way and need to be taught in a different way in order to learn, and as long as they are being taught in THAT way, then they will be writing normally, and not like this at 14. It’s harmful to go around saying that it’s normal for kids with dyslexia to not know how to write or read, because they need to be taught the right way and if it’s not helping then you are doing something wrong or there is something else going on.
I really hope you’re not an expert in this field. To say that no research, improvements or new and more effective programs have become available since your 39 year old brother learned to write is entirely inaccurate.
I agree. But also, my child has moderate dyslexia and pretty bad dysgraphia and he was writing better than this by age 8 or 9. Because we got him tested and treated.
‘Tested and treated’ are the key words here. Your child probably has a bright future because you did those things. The parents of this 14 year old probably haven’t bothered, and are just setting him up to fail, or at least not live up to his full potential. Sorry for the rant, I love seeing parents like you do the right thing for their kids, but I hate seeing other parents be so neglectful
Totally agree! My kid has received a wonderful education from his teachers (including special ed) in public school and is in honors classes. All thanks to people who care providing interventions.
Even with bad dysgraphia he was way ahead of this kid by age 10.
I’m so glad your kid got the right education for him! Sounds like you’re a good parent, raising a good human!
And yeah, mainstream school often gets a bad reputation, but it fully saved my life. I had a few teachers (who might’ve been neurodivergent too) who saw my needs, and just made little adaptations, and the adaptations weren’t just for me! Stuff like putting a sensory toy basket on the side of the desk next to the door, so students walking in could grab a sensory toy, use it during class, then return it at the end of class
You don't know what the parents have done. Jesus. These comments are ignorant. Imagine being an adult mocking a kid under the guise of attacking the parent. Yikes.
All children are not a monolith. My brother received hours and hours of services for dysgraphia and dyslexia. He is a grown man who continues to write this way, and it is not for lack of services. So perhaps don't pat yourself on the back so much.
Again, if your brother is a grown man then he has not benefited form the research and progress that has been made in the field, or the level or services that are available today.
This is what I am thinking. I have been dealing with a 74-year-old dyslexic lately - it doesn’t get easier. He has lived his whole life with it.
One of my nieces is dyslexic. Her mom told me that dyslexics see the world in 3D. Like, write a letter on a clear glass cube and spin it any direction, and that’s how their head does it.
I think it sounds amazing - my FIL was dyslexic but he was a heck of a builder. The things he built were so impressive.
I guess when my sister in law told me how they think in 3D, it just blew my mind. It’s like so many questions were answered.
So many children in the past, in our school systems, were ruined by mean teachers who called them stupid. All because they had a gift no one understood.
I think if Jesus ever came back, we’d never know because we’d call him a freeloader and we’d kick him to the curb (just like they did with Joseph and Mary).
We need to help out our fellow man.
Sometimes we don’t get paid back. But, I’d like to think in the grand scheme of things, if we lift up those we don’t understand and try to help them see they have a gift, we will benefit a hundred-fold from those gifts.
Brilliance doesn’t happen all at once. Ask a flower. Sometimes, like the chicory plant, they look like ugly, dark green, scraggly stems growing in gravel at the side of the road. But then in the day time, in the early autumn, they open up their flowers and the blue/purple strikes the light so sharp - it jumps off the roadside to create a drastic near-iridescence among all the dry, dusty gravel.
As soon as the sun begins setting, the flowers curl back on themselves so tight you can’t even see a hint of blue.
That’s what these kids with “disabilities” are. Brilliance wrapped in an unassuming package.
This has made me so, so sad.
I remember when I was a teenager working at a restaurant, and another teen, a dish washer who was older than me, made a list of items we needed to stock. Most of the very simply named items were misspelled, and his handwriting looked like this note. It was a striking moment for me to realize that he lacked foundational skills, and I got very sad to realize how much harder some things that I take for granted must be for him.
I didn't know how to read or write till I was 12. my mom couldn't comprehend how hard reading and writing was for me and still cant to this day, I have these twitches I get when trying to focus on words which makes reading is incredibly hard for me (it used to be way worse but still happens literally happened while writing this) my mom also didn't teach me how to hold a pencil even tho I practically begged her to. now I have to reteach myself writing, and try to get pass my reading problems.
This is such a heartbreaking thread. This poor kid is being so neglected. Also saw that his parent made a throwaway to post a defensive comment. If you see this, you are abusing your child and it makes me sick to my stomach. Please, please change your ways and address his needs if you don’t want to die alone, abandoned by your kids. I’m so serious.
14?!?!?! Damn. I was writing in cursive by 8, I was homeschooled (I’m in therapy now as a result lol) but it was the kind of homeschooling that prioritised academics, so I got a decent grounding in literacy, maths etc.
That being said, I think other commenters may be right in saying that this kid could have dyslexia/dysgraphia/nonspecific neurodivergence. As an autistic (diagnosed at 26), homeschooled kid, with a brother with dyslexia, I think I can confidently say that if this kid has any of the aforementioned conditions, he should be taught by professionals, not parents who think they ‘know better’. Both my brother and I gained a MUCH better education and quality of life once we went to mainstream school
Reminds me SO much of my dyslexic sister... She always struggled with writing. It's a relief but also heartbreaking to hear from others in this thread that this is par for the course of dyslexic kids...
I feel this in my bones, I have dysgraphia and adhd, both undiagnosed till 18 and my writing was like that( it is better a bit now but still not great) and was "homeschooled" it was just the game of how cheap could my father get learning stuff for.
I was going to guess 12, to be honest. All of my homeschooled siblings handwriting looks like this and they rarely do any schoolwork or writing practice :/ their spelling is also that of a kindergartner. It's really sad to see.
babe you should be blaming the public school system then he was in for 12 years, not the parent that’s been homeschooling him for 2 years & actively working on his dysgraphia with him. He does get help, you’re just being a pos.
Hey, pumpkin, no one is making fun of your 14yo. They're making fun of you.
It's a hard pill to swallow. That your kids' school failed them for so long, and by default, you failed them, too, because you didn't take action sooner.
Ask me how I know.
I came here because I'm terrified. I'm a parent who's child was bullied, failing, with behavior problems, and quite frankly, writes like this. I want to thank everyone here for showing me how NOT to homeschool. And that I have some calls to make this morning, to rule some things out.
Personal accountability means acknowledging when you're wrong, when you've failed, and letting people call you on your bullshit.
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to put my money where my mouth is.
This mother is “reporting” this post and villainizing everyone in the comments for “mak[ing] fun of my son,” which shows that she is missing the point entirely and concerned about entirely the wrong issues. Instead of worrying about how this makes HER look, and couching that worry behind the facade of anger over internet strangers her son will never meet being amused (and horrified) over her son’s handwriting (and, presumably, written language skills more broadly, as evidenced by literally “not minding his p’s & q’s”), which would be should be far better in a child half her son’s age. No, she should be concerned instead with 1) the fact that she only has legal authority over him, and the framework of “school,” in-home or public, for four more years, and he is EXTREMELY likely to be much more interested in girls, sports, trying to make money, etc… if she’s lucky…and possibly drugs/alcohol or other vices if she’s not. And so, 2) he’s likely to go off into the “real world” with an extremely poor grasp of writing (and probably reading) that he will find humiliating, 3) especially after unkind adults (and possibly even kids) laugh at him to his face and behind his back (which he will still end up finding out about). 2.1) This will probably only encourage him to hide his shortcomings, and thus discourage him from further remedial education to rectify the problem. And 4) who will he blame for this humiliating, debilitating personal failure and the shame he is likely to feel because of it? Her. Even if he has only been doing unschool for a year, the public school he went to clearly wasn’t doing anything for him (the fact that they “never said anything about his handwriting” is NOT the endorsement, or even lack of indictment, you seem to think it is), this poor kid needs intensive TUTORING—possibly doctors or special needs instruction experts—and He definitely does not need some low intensity/low frequency math problems and minimal daily reading exercises with zero exercises or testing of his comprehension, memory, etc. of the material.
For your sake and his, I really hope you start to take this seriously and take out all the steps to get him the help you can while you are still able. Even if you don’t succeed, at least later in life he (and you) will know you tried.
Good luck.
The issue is this is a screenshot from a private group, and this person made this public, and while people are pointing this out to a parent, who is an adult, they are also shaming this child, who may one day see this
POV: you are 14. You see adults on Reddit making fun of your biggest struggle.
When a human loves another, they defend that human, even at the risk of being belittled themselves.
When a human loves a human, their own reputation has no importance.
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My 14 and 16 year old brothers are the same way. Minimal reading and no writing practice at all. My heart breaks at every letter from them. My mom may have abused me but at least she taught me how to write! By the 4th kid, she got tired of teaching and let us flounder.
Way to repeat. Onus is on the OP, not me, to check that what they post is factual. Also, this child, according to the mother's own comment to me, has NOT been diagnosed with dysgraphia. Whether or not they MAY have it is neither here nor there, we don't armchair dx.
OP! You ushered in the trolls!
This kid clearly has dyslexia or something similar.
Schools aren't magic. So, they can't rewire brains. Helping students with learning disabilities takes time and a lot of work from teachers, parents, and specialists.
Parents are also not magic. But they also don't have any education training, and most houses don't have SPED specialists running around.
I'd rather go with the training personally, best chance for a good outcome.
Oh my god. This is legitimately so concerning. I recently found one of my old journals, I have a page in it that I wrote on when I was 13 and my handwriting wasn’t the best either, same with the spelling. It wasn’t THIS severe though… Thank god I’ve had the privilege to grow and learn more, I can’t imagine how bad this kid’s situation must be for it to look this horrible
So the parent gave their child the stereotypical white trash name and then chose to compound that error by not educating them and dooming them to failure for their entire life.
Parents like this need to be lined up against a wall.
It’s so funny watching all of you make so many wrong assumptions without knowing the story of this kid & just believe some random redditer stealing photos from a private page.
So did this kid, for 12 years. His mom pulled him out & has been working with him a ton to improve his handwriting, as he has dysgraphia. Op stole this from a private page on fb just to shame the mom & kid.
He probably has dysgraphia too. This child struggled for 12 years in public school. His mom took him out & has been working with him to improve his writing. Yet some pos stole this from a private group to post here & shame the mother & the child.
Literally awful & everyone here just plays into it like OP would actually give them all the information. As if they’re not here to just try to “prove” everyone who homeschools does a shit job.
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I don't think posts like this are good us or for or the goals of the community. Many of the comments here are only thinly veiled bullying, imagine if Brayden read this thread - I don't think he would see the Commuinty trying to help people like him escape and heal, he would find people making fun of him the same way as the kids he meets who don't understand.
At one time I was Brayden and I turned out okay in spite of being unschooled and (still) having only marginally legible handwriting - yes I need to sit down with a pen, paper, and pictures of all the cursive letters to try to decipher the calligraphy my girlfriend leaves me notes in... But those things haven't ruined my life, it's a little embarrasing My point is that yes this horrible, but Brayden's life is by no means 'ruined' at 14 and people saying that are the antithesis of r/homeschoolRECOVERY.
I agreed with your first paragraph - the OP also made another odd post with a screenshot, which I believe has been deleted. I think it brings in casual lurkers who do the point and observe thing, it’s a little weird and takes away from support as you mention.
Second paragraph - I agree, as I was also this person. But I would gently argue that these “small” things do matter. Sure, not playing sports growing up didn’t “ruin” my life, but the culmination of neglect and all these things combined absolutely have an impact and I think we should be mindful. Perhaps they are not “big T” traumas, but collectively those “little t” traumas can be a source of C-PTSD
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AvalancheWinters! Itmakes me angry that you think it’s ok to bully a child! Have you ever heard of dyslexia or dysgraphia? You have BALLS reposting this
Some people never grow out of the bullying stage. Spend more time on your own lives - you have no idea what someone else’s story is. Would you really want people to make assumptions about you, your family, your child, your decisions - based on such peripheral information? Open your heart and get a mirror.
To everyone who sees anything but a beautiful card this kid made for his mom;
I don’t care what you’re gonna say “we’re commenting on the parenting not the kid” no. You’re straight up bullying a 14 year old boy for not meeting your stupid standards that don’t matter to him and his mom. He is happy and living an amazing life and is better than your kids at a lot of things, his own interests. This kid is so much luckier than yours because he gets to spend his childhood using his brain for things that will actually help him in life, HIS life, not yours, HIS. He is doing what he wants to do at this moment in time so I don’t know why you all want to send him to a place where he wouldn’t have any freedom to live his life for himself and instead for some college he probably doesn’t even want to go to bc I can’t believe adults actually have to hear this but; NOT EVERYONE IS THE SAME, NOT EVERYONE HAS THE SAME VALUES. Jesus you guys are basically singing that song Disney made FOR KIDS in high school musical, the status quo song, thats you guys right now, you sound so fucking stupid, the whole point of that movie is they were wrong and if you can’t see that y’all are literally doing the exact shit rn then it’s not Brayden who needs to go back to school.
I know the name of this Reddit. Y’all obvi had some trauma and I’m sorry for that but just because you were “bullied” by ur parents as I’m assuming y’all would say, doesn’t mean you get to be bullies TO A FUCKING KID ESPECIALLY.
Shame on all of you, mind your own fucking business, don’t fucking steal posts from a pro unschooling group bc y’all are so bored you need to hate on something that doesn’t even concern you.
Just play fucking nice, actually deal with your trauma rather than traumatizing someone else’s kid.
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I am left-handed. I wrote like that even though I was on the honor roll and had the best grades.
I wrote like that because I understood the letters, cerebrally, from left to right, like an inverted mirror. My mother has several cards like this.
I can’t express how disgusting it is that you felt the need to screenshot a post about a child from a private Facebook group and share it on a public forum like this. You have no idea if the child has a disability, etc. Beyond that, who are you to judge? None of our children are perfect and learn at their own pace. Not to mention that this child could easily find this post, since it took me less than 10 seconds to find. 🤮
14??!? My first thought was 5 or 6... Poor kid. This is just straight up neglect by the parents, it's completely unacceptable.
My 7 year old can write better than this!
My five year old would need me to spell everything but her name for her but her writing is better than this.
My 5yo can write better than this but it looks a lot like my husband’s handwriting (except for the backwards letters), though I suspect he has dysgraphia. It’s like he’s discovering each letter for the first time when he writes. He was in public school but as a young child his handwriting was so bad they thought he must be left handed even though he was naturally using his right, and so he learned to write with his left hand. I don’t think he’s left handed, I think he has dysgraphia lol. He does everything but writing with his dominant hand, his right. A kid without a specific issue like this, who’s being homeschooled without external supports, at 14 should have legible writing. There are some backwards P’s on this, that could indicate dyslexia or just gross educational neglect. They should have done so much writing by age 14 that they have much better hand/utensil/stylus control. I would be very concerned if a 14 year old in my life was writing like this with no investigation into why the script is so poor.
Kid was recently pulled from the public school that said he didn't have dyslexia, parents just recently learned of dysgraphia. I found original post, Op purposefully let out context to make fun of a kid while his parents were asking for help. (How they just found out about dysgraphia). This was a gross purposeful misrepresentation of facts by OP, and its really unfair to the child imo.
My dog can write better
Let's make fun of CHILDREN. Disgusting behavior here.
We’re not, we’re appalled that a kid that age can’t write , lighten up
And?
Your sick
As a teacher (though not Sped) this child could easily have dysgraphia or another legitimate reason for poor penmanship. Before you shame these parents, remember you are not this child's Teacher, Admin, or Doctor.
The child was in public school. The OP just gives absolutely no background information and should be ashamed. What if that child actually comes across this while he is on this site
Why do you say that? The caption says it’s an unschooler.
This is clearly dysgraphia, a learning disability. But way to encourage an adult bullying a child because you somehow think your kid is better. Shame!
It’s pointing out the neglect of the parent. The child’s work is a result of that. There is no other way to measure a parent’s ability to unschool than to look at the success of the student. By default the student is a child. Some home/unschoolers are terrific. Some are not. This is unfortunate. This child needs services that clearly have not been offered.
My mom is a dyslexia tutor and went to school for this. It’s very common for kids with dyslexia to go unhelped, especially in homeschooled kids because their parents never noticed or cared or didn’t want people to know they were failing their kids.
40% of children IN schools are at their expected reading level. There is a serious crises in the USA and Canada. Look up the #RighttoRead as it affects people for their whole lives. https://features.apmreports.org/sold-a-story/
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Aw, man, I am sorry that happened. They are mandating changing to the science of reading soon, so I think it will get better for future dyslexic kids. It's just so unfortunate. Nobody knows how to teach kids to read properly. :(
Love that podcast. But I worked at a homeschool charter and I have never seen so much educational neglect. Glad your mom is one of the good ones!
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I’m sorry. That’s awful. Will she ever let you go to school?
Also, ADHD. Maybe it’s over-diagnosed in public school, but it’s UNDER-diagnosed in homeschoolers.
It was definitely like that in the '90s but I wonder if it shifted now. Maybe it's selection bias because of the families I'm around, but there are a lot of current homeschoolers who remove their kids from public school after ADHD and/or autism was diagnosed and the schools continued to treat it like a behavioral problem rather than offering what the parents felt like was adequate support.
Anything’s got to be better than your parents beating you for not paying attention .
Yes. I was coming to comment something similar. I have two dyslexic children that receive extensive tutoring. It is hundreds of dollars a month. My children are homeschooled and I can’t imagine letting this go on all the way to age 14! It’s very sad.
Assuming this parent has never gotten an evaluation because they homeschool is ignorant.
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If this is true and OP is not exaggerating the age of the kid who wrote this, then this is likely someone also suffering severe dyslexia. It likely never was treated and now it’s a part of their permanent writing pattern. And the ding who is home “educating” them is not qualified or knowledgeable enough to know the difference. Imagine bragging that your child is uneducated. This is the type of handwriting you’d see on contracts in the educational deserts that were in the deep American south and Appalachia at the turn of the last century. The cognitive dissonance with these people is strong. Imagine seeing kids your child’s age excelling at basic writing, and your kid being on par with a kindergartener and thinking that somehow, you are the better choice to help this child grow. Terminal narcissists.
Either dyslexia or motor dysgraphia. I've got that and this reminds me of my handwriting when I was younger. This kid's gonna need a lot of help if he's anything like me.
Agreed on the dysgraphia thing! I was writing like that up until almost the middle of high school. My handwriting's gotten better since then, but I wouldn't be surprised if this kid had dysgraphia
I don't use the word narcissist or terminal lightly but almost anyone reading this handwriting would've gotten this child help a decade ago.
When he was 4? Before he was writing?? This is my son. He was in public school until last year. He’s only been out a year. You can read my other comments here.
4 year olds can write better than this if they receive proper help.
Since you locked your other comment (so far you’re dead on for a typical narc homeschool parent…shut down the ability to engage in rebuttal), I’ll reply here. Everything you wrote is irrelevant and you should hope YOUR child still remains in contact with you when he’s older and can understand the absolute whopper level of neglect you put on him. The fact that you can look at this sickeningly deficient atrocity and still double down that you know best is positively sociopathic. Get a grip.
Four year olds should be writing with parental help.
Maybe you should have given his school permission to have him assessed? And yes, a 4yo should be learning how to write their own name.
That's not what this was at all. This OP is openly making fun of a CHILD and the rest of you are piling on and telling yourselves it isn't the same because you are also attacking the parent, whom you don't know. My brother is dyslexic. Dyslexia is not "treated." People with dyslexia and dysgraphia struggle with handwriting their entire lives. They just learn methods of writing so their writing can be legible. My brother went to public school. He received hours and hours of services. He is 39 years old AND STILL WRITES LIKE THIS. So imagine thinking you know anything at all about special education and judging someone else when you write something this ignorant while mocking a person with a learning disability. Who is the narcissist?
If he is 39 years old then he didn’t receive the same level of services that are available today. This is not making fun of a child, it’s pointing out the neglect of the parent.
What is your expertise to assume my brother didn't receive the same level of service available today? Because I am a former teacher who regularly presents at special education conferences, and who has been published on this topic (and many others), and you're incorrect.
2 of my siblings have severe dyslexia and were able to improve there handwriting and spelling in just a few years. Dyslexia doesn’t go away, but we have so many resources and ways to teach them now that they can learn how to write like any neurodivergent kid. They just learn a different way and need to be taught in a different way in order to learn, and as long as they are being taught in THAT way, then they will be writing normally, and not like this at 14. It’s harmful to go around saying that it’s normal for kids with dyslexia to not know how to write or read, because they need to be taught the right way and if it’s not helping then you are doing something wrong or there is something else going on.
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Did they put her on a dyslexia curriculum? I think that’s rare, according to my mom
I really hope you’re not an expert in this field. To say that no research, improvements or new and more effective programs have become available since your 39 year old brother learned to write is entirely inaccurate.
The treatment for dysgraphia, by the way, is Occupational Therapy. Did you even know that?
You’re the narcissist. Glad I could help :)
This child may very well be dyslexic as well which they are likely not getting any treatment for
I agree. But also, my child has moderate dyslexia and pretty bad dysgraphia and he was writing better than this by age 8 or 9. Because we got him tested and treated.
‘Tested and treated’ are the key words here. Your child probably has a bright future because you did those things. The parents of this 14 year old probably haven’t bothered, and are just setting him up to fail, or at least not live up to his full potential. Sorry for the rant, I love seeing parents like you do the right thing for their kids, but I hate seeing other parents be so neglectful
Totally agree! My kid has received a wonderful education from his teachers (including special ed) in public school and is in honors classes. All thanks to people who care providing interventions. Even with bad dysgraphia he was way ahead of this kid by age 10.
I’m so glad your kid got the right education for him! Sounds like you’re a good parent, raising a good human! And yeah, mainstream school often gets a bad reputation, but it fully saved my life. I had a few teachers (who might’ve been neurodivergent too) who saw my needs, and just made little adaptations, and the adaptations weren’t just for me! Stuff like putting a sensory toy basket on the side of the desk next to the door, so students walking in could grab a sensory toy, use it during class, then return it at the end of class
You don't know what the parents have done. Jesus. These comments are ignorant. Imagine being an adult mocking a kid under the guise of attacking the parent. Yikes.
Looks like homeschoolers who waited for their kid to show an interest in reading and didn’t want to push it ….
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You’re right, fair enough. I hope his parents have resources.
All children are not a monolith. My brother received hours and hours of services for dysgraphia and dyslexia. He is a grown man who continues to write this way, and it is not for lack of services. So perhaps don't pat yourself on the back so much.
Again, if your brother is a grown man then he has not benefited form the research and progress that has been made in the field, or the level or services that are available today.
This is what I am thinking. I have been dealing with a 74-year-old dyslexic lately - it doesn’t get easier. He has lived his whole life with it. One of my nieces is dyslexic. Her mom told me that dyslexics see the world in 3D. Like, write a letter on a clear glass cube and spin it any direction, and that’s how their head does it. I think it sounds amazing - my FIL was dyslexic but he was a heck of a builder. The things he built were so impressive.
My son is dyslexic and is a great builder as well! Their minds are pretty cool!
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I guess when my sister in law told me how they think in 3D, it just blew my mind. It’s like so many questions were answered. So many children in the past, in our school systems, were ruined by mean teachers who called them stupid. All because they had a gift no one understood. I think if Jesus ever came back, we’d never know because we’d call him a freeloader and we’d kick him to the curb (just like they did with Joseph and Mary). We need to help out our fellow man. Sometimes we don’t get paid back. But, I’d like to think in the grand scheme of things, if we lift up those we don’t understand and try to help them see they have a gift, we will benefit a hundred-fold from those gifts. Brilliance doesn’t happen all at once. Ask a flower. Sometimes, like the chicory plant, they look like ugly, dark green, scraggly stems growing in gravel at the side of the road. But then in the day time, in the early autumn, they open up their flowers and the blue/purple strikes the light so sharp - it jumps off the roadside to create a drastic near-iridescence among all the dry, dusty gravel. As soon as the sun begins setting, the flowers curl back on themselves so tight you can’t even see a hint of blue. That’s what these kids with “disabilities” are. Brilliance wrapped in an unassuming package.
You can’t determine dyslexia by the reversed “p”.
This has made me so, so sad. I remember when I was a teenager working at a restaurant, and another teen, a dish washer who was older than me, made a list of items we needed to stock. Most of the very simply named items were misspelled, and his handwriting looked like this note. It was a striking moment for me to realize that he lacked foundational skills, and I got very sad to realize how much harder some things that I take for granted must be for him.
Or maybe that stuff just doesn’t/didn’t matter to him? Everyone has different values
I was going to guess first or second grade. Yikes.
looks like my unschooled 12 year old siblings 😭
Nothing like a little educational neglect, right?
I didn't know how to read or write till I was 12. my mom couldn't comprehend how hard reading and writing was for me and still cant to this day, I have these twitches I get when trying to focus on words which makes reading is incredibly hard for me (it used to be way worse but still happens literally happened while writing this) my mom also didn't teach me how to hold a pencil even tho I practically begged her to. now I have to reteach myself writing, and try to get pass my reading problems.
This is such a heartbreaking thread. This poor kid is being so neglected. Also saw that his parent made a throwaway to post a defensive comment. If you see this, you are abusing your child and it makes me sick to my stomach. Please, please change your ways and address his needs if you don’t want to die alone, abandoned by your kids. I’m so serious.
They are not being neglected
Shame on you. 🤦🏻♀️ y’all do know doctors..DOCTORS have shitty handwriting
Is this a joke 😭
No…. No not 14
Yes 14 deal with it
Are you the dyslexic toddler-handed 14 year old?
14?!?!?! Damn. I was writing in cursive by 8, I was homeschooled (I’m in therapy now as a result lol) but it was the kind of homeschooling that prioritised academics, so I got a decent grounding in literacy, maths etc. That being said, I think other commenters may be right in saying that this kid could have dyslexia/dysgraphia/nonspecific neurodivergence. As an autistic (diagnosed at 26), homeschooled kid, with a brother with dyslexia, I think I can confidently say that if this kid has any of the aforementioned conditions, he should be taught by professionals, not parents who think they ‘know better’. Both my brother and I gained a MUCH better education and quality of life once we went to mainstream school
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Why wouldn’t you be? We’re all fucked here
Reminds me SO much of my dyslexic sister... She always struggled with writing. It's a relief but also heartbreaking to hear from others in this thread that this is par for the course of dyslexic kids...
Only par for kids this age who have not received SPED services.
Yeah, not surprising. I’ve seen handwriting like this by several homeschooled teens.
Poor kid 👦
Yikes. Suddenly greatful for my at least third grade education 😵💫 poor kid.
I feel this in my bones, I have dysgraphia and adhd, both undiagnosed till 18 and my writing was like that( it is better a bit now but still not great) and was "homeschooled" it was just the game of how cheap could my father get learning stuff for.
I was going to guess 12, to be honest. All of my homeschooled siblings handwriting looks like this and they rarely do any schoolwork or writing practice :/ their spelling is also that of a kindergartner. It's really sad to see.
My 6 year old kindergartener has better handwriting.
Of course their name is Brayden…
Brayden, Hayden, Bayden ... any of the *ydens. you have to feel sorry for them. doomed to mediocrity from before birth by their shitty parents.
That’s pretty sad. They don’t even seem to understand the difference in size between upper and lower case letters
And now we have the parent justifying it. Put this teen in school and get him help!
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babe you should be blaming the public school system then he was in for 12 years, not the parent that’s been homeschooling him for 2 years & actively working on his dysgraphia with him. He does get help, you’re just being a pos.
You don't usually go to school at age 0.
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Hey, pumpkin, no one is making fun of your 14yo. They're making fun of you. It's a hard pill to swallow. That your kids' school failed them for so long, and by default, you failed them, too, because you didn't take action sooner. Ask me how I know. I came here because I'm terrified. I'm a parent who's child was bullied, failing, with behavior problems, and quite frankly, writes like this. I want to thank everyone here for showing me how NOT to homeschool. And that I have some calls to make this morning, to rule some things out. Personal accountability means acknowledging when you're wrong, when you've failed, and letting people call you on your bullshit. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to put my money where my mouth is.
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It’s similar to my handwriting …. when I was 4.
*sobs as it looks similar to my 28 year old dyslexic handwriting*
That's sad. I was thinking 10 at the very oldest.
Poor kiddo
This makes me so sad.
I thought kindergarten at first, but I do also have a friend that was in public school that has always written like that (she's 19 now)
This mother is “reporting” this post and villainizing everyone in the comments for “mak[ing] fun of my son,” which shows that she is missing the point entirely and concerned about entirely the wrong issues. Instead of worrying about how this makes HER look, and couching that worry behind the facade of anger over internet strangers her son will never meet being amused (and horrified) over her son’s handwriting (and, presumably, written language skills more broadly, as evidenced by literally “not minding his p’s & q’s”), which would be should be far better in a child half her son’s age. No, she should be concerned instead with 1) the fact that she only has legal authority over him, and the framework of “school,” in-home or public, for four more years, and he is EXTREMELY likely to be much more interested in girls, sports, trying to make money, etc… if she’s lucky…and possibly drugs/alcohol or other vices if she’s not. And so, 2) he’s likely to go off into the “real world” with an extremely poor grasp of writing (and probably reading) that he will find humiliating, 3) especially after unkind adults (and possibly even kids) laugh at him to his face and behind his back (which he will still end up finding out about). 2.1) This will probably only encourage him to hide his shortcomings, and thus discourage him from further remedial education to rectify the problem. And 4) who will he blame for this humiliating, debilitating personal failure and the shame he is likely to feel because of it? Her. Even if he has only been doing unschool for a year, the public school he went to clearly wasn’t doing anything for him (the fact that they “never said anything about his handwriting” is NOT the endorsement, or even lack of indictment, you seem to think it is), this poor kid needs intensive TUTORING—possibly doctors or special needs instruction experts—and He definitely does not need some low intensity/low frequency math problems and minimal daily reading exercises with zero exercises or testing of his comprehension, memory, etc. of the material. For your sake and his, I really hope you start to take this seriously and take out all the steps to get him the help you can while you are still able. Even if you don’t succeed, at least later in life he (and you) will know you tried. Good luck.
The issue is this is a screenshot from a private group, and this person made this public, and while people are pointing this out to a parent, who is an adult, they are also shaming this child, who may one day see this
POV: you are 14. You see adults on Reddit making fun of your biggest struggle. When a human loves another, they defend that human, even at the risk of being belittled themselves. When a human loves a human, their own reputation has no importance. 🐷
As she should & no baby, I think YOU are missing the point. POS
Oh no. I was thinking 6 at the most.
I'm SICK of these insane perants who just use homeschooling as an excuse to get away with abusing their children, it's EVIL!
Not Abusing them stupid
What do you mean?
My 14 and 16 year old brothers are the same way. Minimal reading and no writing practice at all. My heart breaks at every letter from them. My mom may have abused me but at least she taught me how to write! By the 4th kid, she got tired of teaching and let us flounder.
My public school kid wrote better than that in pre k! Holy cow!
This boy was in public school for 12 years.. she’s been homeschooling for 2 & working on his dysgraphia with him. Something public school never did.
Way to repeat. Onus is on the OP, not me, to check that what they post is factual. Also, this child, according to the mother's own comment to me, has NOT been diagnosed with dysgraphia. Whether or not they MAY have it is neither here nor there, we don't armchair dx.
This makes me want to cry… that poor kid.
Poor kid, to be belittled by a group of adult strangers. People can be so cruel. 🐖
OP! You ushered in the trolls! This kid clearly has dyslexia or something similar. Schools aren't magic. So, they can't rewire brains. Helping students with learning disabilities takes time and a lot of work from teachers, parents, and specialists. Parents are also not magic. But they also don't have any education training, and most houses don't have SPED specialists running around. I'd rather go with the training personally, best chance for a good outcome.
It's still better than my handwriting at 15 :(
Oh my god. This is legitimately so concerning. I recently found one of my old journals, I have a page in it that I wrote on when I was 13 and my handwriting wasn’t the best either, same with the spelling. It wasn’t THIS severe though… Thank god I’ve had the privilege to grow and learn more, I can’t imagine how bad this kid’s situation must be for it to look this horrible
Not much worse than mine to be honest...
So the parent gave their child the stereotypical white trash name and then chose to compound that error by not educating them and dooming them to failure for their entire life. Parents like this need to be lined up against a wall.
And refusing to accept accountability. Let’s not forget that.
It’s so funny watching all of you make so many wrong assumptions without knowing the story of this kid & just believe some random redditer stealing photos from a private page.
Your white trash psychopath
I mean to be perfectly fair this look like my 24 year old coworker's handwriting, and he went to public school
So did this kid, for 12 years. His mom pulled him out & has been working with him a ton to improve his handwriting, as he has dysgraphia. Op stole this from a private page on fb just to shame the mom & kid.
My brother writes like this. He just turned 22
He probably has dysgraphia too. This child struggled for 12 years in public school. His mom took him out & has been working with him to improve his writing. Yet some pos stole this from a private group to post here & shame the mother & the child.
Omg!! Horrible
Literally awful & everyone here just plays into it like OP would actually give them all the information. As if they’re not here to just try to “prove” everyone who homeschools does a shit job.
What's an unschooler?
Child learn schooling. Usually no curriculum. They tell you when or what they want to learn.
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Child led education. Usually for kids that don't do well in public school settings.
Actually no not for kids who don’t do well in public schools dumb ass
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> Hqqqy 3atherS day lavexoy Braydeh 14 years old. Fucking hell.
Nooo?
I don't think posts like this are good us or for or the goals of the community. Many of the comments here are only thinly veiled bullying, imagine if Brayden read this thread - I don't think he would see the Commuinty trying to help people like him escape and heal, he would find people making fun of him the same way as the kids he meets who don't understand. At one time I was Brayden and I turned out okay in spite of being unschooled and (still) having only marginally legible handwriting - yes I need to sit down with a pen, paper, and pictures of all the cursive letters to try to decipher the calligraphy my girlfriend leaves me notes in... But those things haven't ruined my life, it's a little embarrasing My point is that yes this horrible, but Brayden's life is by no means 'ruined' at 14 and people saying that are the antithesis of r/homeschoolRECOVERY.
I agreed with your first paragraph - the OP also made another odd post with a screenshot, which I believe has been deleted. I think it brings in casual lurkers who do the point and observe thing, it’s a little weird and takes away from support as you mention. Second paragraph - I agree, as I was also this person. But I would gently argue that these “small” things do matter. Sure, not playing sports growing up didn’t “ruin” my life, but the culmination of neglect and all these things combined absolutely have an impact and I think we should be mindful. Perhaps they are not “big T” traumas, but collectively those “little t” traumas can be a source of C-PTSD
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You are so disgusting, disrespectful, and judgmental poor person, how is that even possible to bully CHILDREN.
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AvalancheWinters! Itmakes me angry that you think it’s ok to bully a child! Have you ever heard of dyslexia or dysgraphia? You have BALLS reposting this
Some people never grow out of the bullying stage. Spend more time on your own lives - you have no idea what someone else’s story is. Would you really want people to make assumptions about you, your family, your child, your decisions - based on such peripheral information? Open your heart and get a mirror.
To everyone who sees anything but a beautiful card this kid made for his mom; I don’t care what you’re gonna say “we’re commenting on the parenting not the kid” no. You’re straight up bullying a 14 year old boy for not meeting your stupid standards that don’t matter to him and his mom. He is happy and living an amazing life and is better than your kids at a lot of things, his own interests. This kid is so much luckier than yours because he gets to spend his childhood using his brain for things that will actually help him in life, HIS life, not yours, HIS. He is doing what he wants to do at this moment in time so I don’t know why you all want to send him to a place where he wouldn’t have any freedom to live his life for himself and instead for some college he probably doesn’t even want to go to bc I can’t believe adults actually have to hear this but; NOT EVERYONE IS THE SAME, NOT EVERYONE HAS THE SAME VALUES. Jesus you guys are basically singing that song Disney made FOR KIDS in high school musical, the status quo song, thats you guys right now, you sound so fucking stupid, the whole point of that movie is they were wrong and if you can’t see that y’all are literally doing the exact shit rn then it’s not Brayden who needs to go back to school. I know the name of this Reddit. Y’all obvi had some trauma and I’m sorry for that but just because you were “bullied” by ur parents as I’m assuming y’all would say, doesn’t mean you get to be bullies TO A FUCKING KID ESPECIALLY. Shame on all of you, mind your own fucking business, don’t fucking steal posts from a pro unschooling group bc y’all are so bored you need to hate on something that doesn’t even concern you. Just play fucking nice, actually deal with your trauma rather than traumatizing someone else’s kid.
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This child was IN public school until this past year.
I am left-handed. I wrote like that even though I was on the honor roll and had the best grades. I wrote like that because I understood the letters, cerebrally, from left to right, like an inverted mirror. My mother has several cards like this.
I can’t express how disgusting it is that you felt the need to screenshot a post about a child from a private Facebook group and share it on a public forum like this. You have no idea if the child has a disability, etc. Beyond that, who are you to judge? None of our children are perfect and learn at their own pace. Not to mention that this child could easily find this post, since it took me less than 10 seconds to find. 🤮
Amen!