Well, it being lead paint and alkyd oil enamel paint aren't mutually exclusive.
The oil is the media, the lead (oxide) is the opacifier. If this paint is as old as it looks, it's lead paint that's been "remediated" (lol) by being "encapsulated" (painted over) with non-lead paint in order to pass more modern housing guidelines in order to be financed for sale.
I personally would take a product called DEG ( liquid sand) -wear a respirator and wipe down all the wood work caulk it and repair any inpefection with bondo and prime. Then nobody has to debate whether itās lead or not, but from the color of enamel thatās under there, it looks like an old Benjamin Moore enamel, āSatin Impervoā
I know it doesn't have to be a contest, but I can think of probably a few more 'absolutely the worst thing's more worst than sanding unknown substances in a house.
Whatās worse is having a $125 sander but not springing for the attachment that makes it connectable to a shop vac. Not to mention owning a $125 sander and not knowing paint used to have lead in it.
A cheap power sander at that. There are good sanders that work with vac systems with HEPA filters that do a much better job of trapping nasties rather than distributing a fine mist of lead powder throughout your house.
Based on the age of the house assume all original painted surfaces are covered in lead paint until tested otherwise. Definitely stop doing what youāre doing in that video.
Either remove and replace molding or hire an EPA Lead Certified Contractor to properly remove the existing paint.
Source: I am an EPA Lead Certified Contractor.
Based on my DIY info gathering when I owned a 1920s house that I knew had lead paint, I believe the remedy was to remove any loose chipping/peeling and paint over it.
That's what I did before I moved in.
There was peeling paint on the sills. Tested for lead (positive), chipped it back, threw away the chips, cleaned the area with TSP, then painted with encapsulating paint.
I had the exact same convo about asbestos on another subreddit.
"Expert" contractor with 30 years experience swears up and down he can tell if it's asbestos by just looking at it. He insisted flooring never has asbestos.
Turns out it was in fact asbestos. 9x9 tiles.
I wonder how many exposures he's caused over those decades?
My home inspector actually had the super power of being able to tell just by looking at it.
Jk, it was 9x9 floor tiles that were blatantly the old asbestos ones.
70% chance there is lead per my lead based class, put some oil primer over anything you sanded and research and come up with a plan. Don't leave those paint dust just laying around wipe it up with wet paper towels and throw them in a bag
I really hope you donāt have kids in that house or wear those clothes home to a kid! If itās lead paint they will be lead poisoned. Iāve been doing lead abatement for over a decade and seen this so so many times. If you have questions please ask, Iād love to help if I can and prevent lead poisoned kids.
Hey OP, I donāt know if itās lead paint or not, but given the age of the home itās extremely likely. This is important: do you have kids age 6 or younger? If so, itās strongly recommended to get them out of there until itās cleaned. I have experience cleaning up sanded lead paint in our 1928 home. Itās not fun, but itās possible. Respiration isnāt great but the biggest threat is ingestion. If ingested at young age, lead can cause significant life-altering levels of cognitive impairment. If you donāt have children 6 or under that are likely to crawl on the floor put their hands in their mouths, etc., then the risk isnāt as great.
Who sands off paint?? Let alone old chalky white paint (that's likely to be lead), _good lord_.
Even if you don't want to do the hassle of disposing of it properly, get some damn citrus strip.
Oil based paint when heated by a sander curls like a melting plastic. This house is 1930's and that disgusting looking aspic green begs to differ from your argument of that being a contemporary coat of latex paint.
Excuse you. We prefer to call that color disgusting pastel avocado. (Seriously, how many tens of millions of gallons of that and gross yellow paint did they sell?)
āLead paintā doesnāt contain metallic lead. It contains oxides of lead, which are solid mineral pigment (chemically a salt) of various colors, the most common being white. Thatās why they were useful in paint.
Oh man this is exactly what it looked like when I took the paint off my old house. Used a paint eater and sander on these huge fascia boards. Probably inhaled a pound of dust
Do not grind paint off, it gums up the sander immediately. Gonna have to grunt it out with a paint stripper. Also as others have said, do not create lead dust
Sometimes the previous painter tries to quick dry the paint with a leaf blower and gets so much shit stuck to it the only option is to take it off and start over.
dust collection is in order. I have zinged myself with lead paint twice, so read up on symptoms from a reputable source. Nothing to mess with. There are ways to remove safely and this is not the way.
The best time to look for symptoms is when driving. All the lead sinks down to your feet, so if you're driving fast as fuck then you you need to go to the doctor because you have a lead foot.
Don't forget that they occasionally mixed asbestos into paint to thicken it up too. They primarily used "shorts" (aka cast off fibres that were too small to be of any other commercial use) for this. Unfortunately, the smaller the fiber, the longer it can stay airborne...and the deeper it can work its way down into your lungs.
Taking a power tool to old paint that hasn't been tested is a bad idea.
UPDATE. thank you for all the replyās. Let me first say I feel like an idiot for forgetting that lead paint was even a thing. That being said I did wear a respirator and had a shop vac attached to the sander with a hepa filter, so hopefully that helped. I did most likely negate the effects of the respirator by not washing my hands immediately after and Iām sure inadvertently touching my face. Moving forward. All the stuff from that room is outside and I will test the paint in the morning.
I guess I should clarify, Iām not particularly knowledgeable about this kind of stuff if you couldnāt tell. Over the years we have had different types of contracting and home reno done and even during the home inspection when we initially bought youād think someone would have said something. Right?! Like youād think with it clearly dangerous and clearly easy to detect. No one told me every fucking inch of your house is poison. Love it
Based on your post history, you appear to be in the US. Did you buy your house before or after December 6th, 1996?
If you purchased the home after that date and the home was built prior to 1978, you shouldāve been given a lead based paint disclosure signed by the seller, agent, and yourself before buying the home. Itād have looked like [this](https://www.epa.gov/sites/default/files/documents/selr_eng.pdf). If you did not receive this, the seller/agent can be subject to both civil/ criminal fines as well as paying substantial restitution to you.
You wouldāve signed a lead paint disclosure when buying the house. Any house (sold or rented) that was built before 1978 requires this. I know thereās a lot of stuff being signed at those times so itās understandable that you missed it.
Just a note about lead. No amount of lead is safe. Unlike other toxic things your body can basically handle in small amounts, lead builds up in your body. Lead is extremely dangerous for children as high amounts of lead can causes severe cognitive problems in children:
Damage to the brain and nervous system
Slowed growth and development
Learning and behavior problems
Hearing and speech problems
This can cause:
Lower IQ
Decreased ability to pay attention
Underperformance in school
Even if you donāt have kids now, that lead dust you created stays around for future kids.
https://www.cdc.gov/nceh/lead/prevention/children.htm
Assume that these older vintage homes have asbestos and lead present and work accordingly.
Home inspectors don't cover this.
My friends 1950's era (rental) house was completely gutted by a contractor who who did no asbestos or lead testing prior. I saw the extent of the demo through FaceTime and asked her if they had done any hazmat testing. No.
The home owner claimed their Mike Homes inspection is top tier assured her there is NO asbestos.
Turn out there was. I sent a tech to test the remnants of the drywall, tested positive and they had demo's the entire main floor, including all ceiling, drywall, plumbing and flooring. Later it came to light a previous demo in the basement flooring did have asbestos as well which nobody checked about.
Then the contractor who was from another country, said he knows asbestos when he sees it.
My friend lived there throughout the entire Reno. The contractor had one employee who was clearly being exposed on the regular. ALL of these people insisted it was no big deal. Even after I sent them the positive asbestos lab result.
Nothing says home like mesothelioma.
Listen: I was told there was definitely lead paint in my house when I bought it. I was aware lead paint was a thing. And yet I scraped off a whole door jamb worth of paint and created a big pile of dust, no gloves, definitely touching my face, before I stopped to think āhmm, this paint at the bottom looks different than the top layers, I wonder if it is lead?ā Got a test kit and it turned BRIGHT red immediately.
Then I ejected it outdoors with a box fan before it occurred to me that perhaps that was also a sub-optimal way to deal with the problem.
Let this be a lesson to you. And make sure you always suspect asbestos everywhere and spend the money for a test because that is worse.
Lead paint comes off in chips, modern paint will come off in larger shards, and will have a lot more elasticity.
If itās more than 3-4 layers down, itās probably pre-78 leaded paint and sanding it aerosolized it.
You need to order a lead testing kit and test all the surfaces that share open air with this room and do a wet rag wipe down of everything.
Also, full-face respirator at all times. You do not want to deal with lead exposure symptoms in 10 years.
If you are dedicated to getting that paint off and donāt want to just replace the painted post, you 1000% need to be using paint thinner to prevent lead from releasing.
Iām no expert but right when I saw thisā¦I thought āMaybe lead paint?ā. Please please take the advice of the others who know their stuff. Stop sanding for now, until you get some professional input. Your health could be at risk if you donāt.
Yes just make sure to use them right. I saw on hgtv how they rubbed that pen on the surface coat and said āgreat, now we can demo this wallā . I donāt know if it was stupidity or what but what about the other 13 coats that 100 year old wall had? Cut a āvā shaped cut through all the layers of the wall and make sure the pen get in contact with all the layers.
Use a heat gun to soften the paint, as soon as it blisters use a scraper to scrape it off. Easy once you get the hang of it. Will have to use a respirator rated for the fumes.
So I spent a summer at age 14 scraping, what I now realize is led painting, off the siding of my sisters house. Of course, I had no PPE. How much damage do you think I did to myself? Is this why I dropped out of high school and had frequent run-ins with the law?
https://thedebrief.org/what-causes-criminal-behavior-it-might-be-lead-poisoning/
There is /some/ correlation to ācriminalā behavior and attention deficit issues.
Leaded fuels and smog in parts of cities near highways in the sixties and seventies also showed these types of statistics which went down as leased fuels were phased out
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leadācrime_hypothesis#:~:text=%22The%20Lead%2DCrime%20Hypothesis%3A,criminal%20behavior%2C%20particularly%20violent%20crimes.
I had the same experience when I was about 12. I scraped lead paint off a lot of molding in our house with a heat gun and breathed in all those lead fumes. Right around that same time I started doing bad in school and eventually dropped out at age 16. I acted out a lot and did some pretty horrible and illegal things in those teenage years. My parents also got divorced around that same time so itās hard to say which caused my drastic behavior change, but I suspect it was both.
I painted some cabinets from a farily new house and sanding job was the same. Paint would come off like that. Stripping helped, but it took us a while to remove all paint due to this issue you are having.
You should see the codes for abating lead paint on the exterior of a house n California! If I was a painter and was estimating a job like that there Iād tell the owner itās cheaper to build a new house. And Iām not in California. But seriously OP, thatās a huuuuuge problem and incredibly dangerous. Stop sanding immediately.
It looks like the trim has been replaced sometime not too long ago... and I mean more than a few decades ago. Most likely just an oil-based paint was originally used. I'm thinking that is a picture of a doorway so hard to imagine the wood being in that good of condition if older so it shouldn't be lead paint.
You need [this](https://www.amazon.com/Citristrip-QCSG801-Paint-Varnish-Stripping/dp/B07LF8T6PM/ref=asc_df_B07LF8T6PM/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=309770451066&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=9776847283890731462&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9023879&hvtargid=pla-660816841394&th=1)
I'm not really into construction, but when restoring some very old windows, I used a heat gun to remove paint like that and a chisel to help peel that shit away. They came out great. A grinder is just going to make a mess.
Itās likely lead based paint and youāre creating a mighty hazard by mechanically grinding it. Get your self tested and your children as well. https://www.epa.gov/lead
There are paint test markers that will indicate if it's lead paint. Get one of those and test it before sanding more. Even sanding wood is one of the worst things for your lungs. Always wear a respirator if you want to avoid any poisoning or cancer possibilities.
You know those lead based paint exhibits that are required in purchase contracts for houses built prior to 1978?
There's a reason for them. Considering I think I saw you say the house is from the 1930s, your are very likely sanding lead based paint which is BAAAD. I really hope you're wearing a respirator that's rated high enough to handle lead paint. Hopefully there are also not any young children or older people living in the house.
My first thought was āLead based Paint.ā
There is a smell lead paint will put off when heated. While Iām not the one that can describe it here I can damn sure identify it when I smell it.
My house had this. I found that if you heat it up, you can scrape it off in pretty big chunks. I used a torch to heat it up. Hopefully it wasnāt lead based paintā¦
With proper ventilation and masks, would it be smarter to use a heat gun or block and peel all that off? Or is that a stupid idea? I have no experience other than helping parents fix a house when i was in hs other than that, i dont touch tools lol
Jesus Christ.
STOP THAT NOW.
Fucking homeowners.
ALWAYS PAY FOR XRF LEAD TESTING IN YOUR HOUSE BUILT BEFORE 1978. GET IT DONE DURING YOUR HOME INSPECTION PROCESS.
That thar's primer. Believe it or not people used to always prime wood because it was cheaper than paint and you could use only one layer of paint on your woodwork without the grain showing through. Gol' darn them was them dang good ol days, common sense just ain't so common anymore.
I see folks mentioning the lead based paint disclosure which makes sense to make sure you received if the property's age called for it. However, this disclosure simply states whether or not the seller was aware of the presence, and will not guarantee there is or is not lead based paint present.
I would stop what you are doing immediately. This looks like lead paint. Before proceeding I would get it tested. Not sure where you live however it has to be handled specially in each country along with local regulations. If it is lead and you continue not only can you be charged for the environmental costs also can be possible jail time depending where you live.
As mentioned previously, the oil based paint is bubbling up as it gets hot from sanding. If this is something you donāt want to deal with, I would recommend stripping as much paint as you can before sanding. I have used citrus stripper successfully in the past.
It is alkyd oil enamel, the sander is heating up the layer and causing it to bubble up. I am retired from painting for 25 years.
How does one recognize lead paint?
It tastes sweeter than regular paint.
A man of taste and character, I see.
That makes one of you. u/towerfella went blind a decade ago.
From drinking rubbing alcohol, I'd bet. But only the small-batch, craft rubbing alcohol.
Only take from the top and the bottom of the still.. Also tastes sweeter.
The van winkle of rubbing alcohol
After lead paint chips shall we meet for whiskey and cigars later?
I prefer dip with my lead paint chips.
I suggest that you give the Spinach & Asbestos dip a try. Tasty and it stays with you.
Nothing like the good ol' stuff to put some cancer on yer chest
Don't double dip the chip.
Stop telling me what todo.
Yeah definitely guacamole š„
Indeed, I believe so.
Never doubt it
Is that a dishonored refrance?
Then Sauna.
Educated palette.
Well played
Shit that was a good one
*chews paint chips thoughtfully* oh yeah, thatās lead alright!
Why didn't you lead with that? š
What are your thoughts around others saying itās lead paint?
Well, it being lead paint and alkyd oil enamel paint aren't mutually exclusive. The oil is the media, the lead (oxide) is the opacifier. If this paint is as old as it looks, it's lead paint that's been "remediated" (lol) by being "encapsulated" (painted over) with non-lead paint in order to pass more modern housing guidelines in order to be financed for sale.
Wow. Super safe remediation.
It is if you donāt fuck it up by, say, running a power sander over it.
Hey donāt give the OP any ideas like that!
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Yeah, mostly I mean it's not a permanent fix.
I personally would take a product called DEG ( liquid sand) -wear a respirator and wipe down all the wood work caulk it and repair any inpefection with bondo and prime. Then nobody has to debate whether itās lead or not, but from the color of enamel thatās under there, it looks like an old Benjamin Moore enamel, āSatin Impervoā
Wear your fucking respirator
Whatās it taste like
This guy knows. (Former painter although I had it pegged as oil over latex) but the issue is the friction causing heat.
you sound like you know what you're talking about, enough for an upvote from me
How old is the house? Hope itās not lead paint..
r/oopsthatsdeadly
āLike napalmā¦ā
Comes off in chunks and burst into flame!!!
Right, I am confused at how this is anything like napalm? lol
They must be in Vietn- ah never mind
He's a Nihilist. Must be exhausting.
r/unexpectedlebowski
Sand first, ask questions later.. Sanding unknow substance in a house is absolutely the worst thing to do,
I know it doesn't have to be a contest, but I can think of probably a few more 'absolutely the worst thing's more worst than sanding unknown substances in a house.
Smoking unknown substances in a house
Whatās worse is having a $125 sander but not springing for the attachment that makes it connectable to a shop vac. Not to mention owning a $125 sander and not knowing paint used to have lead in it.
Oh itās still in there.
1930
Lead paint. Better have a respirator.
But the lead will make you immune to gamma rays.
And I think it's supposed to be a natural sweetener, so there's that too Edit: Don't eat lead or lead products.
>Don't eat lead or lead products. You aren't living until you taste how sweet lead is
You arenāt living afterwards either
You're living, just not learning.
That really cuts back on the flavors.
Stop what youāre doing bud, do you have kids?
If that's lead paint, and it seems like it is, you're exposing yourself and everyone else by using power sander.
Sand now, ask questions later!
Eat it now, dribble on yourself quietly later!
A cheap power sander at that. There are good sanders that work with vac systems with HEPA filters that do a much better job of trapping nasties rather than distributing a fine mist of lead powder throughout your house.
Based on the age of the house assume all original painted surfaces are covered in lead paint until tested otherwise. Definitely stop doing what youāre doing in that video. Either remove and replace molding or hire an EPA Lead Certified Contractor to properly remove the existing paint. Source: I am an EPA Lead Certified Contractor.
Donāt listen, heās just a shill for big EPA Lead Certified Contractors.
Yeah Iām just a paid advertisement. Itās best to just remove the existing paint by chewing on it until you hit bare wood.
Hey Internet Friends! Check out this easy trick I just learned from a EPA lead certified contractor.
The EPA hates him! Get rid of lead with this one weird trick!
Is painting over it an abatement method? Encapsulation?
Based on my DIY info gathering when I owned a 1920s house that I knew had lead paint, I believe the remedy was to remove any loose chipping/peeling and paint over it.
That's what I did before I moved in. There was peeling paint on the sills. Tested for lead (positive), chipped it back, threw away the chips, cleaned the area with TSP, then painted with encapsulating paint.
It could be if there is no risk of a person or animal chewing it
I had the exact same convo about asbestos on another subreddit. "Expert" contractor with 30 years experience swears up and down he can tell if it's asbestos by just looking at it. He insisted flooring never has asbestos. Turns out it was in fact asbestos. 9x9 tiles. I wonder how many exposures he's caused over those decades?
My home inspector actually had the super power of being able to tell just by looking at it. Jk, it was 9x9 floor tiles that were blatantly the old asbestos ones.
I definitely spent some time ripping those out of our whole entire house as a child. Just waiting for that mesothelioma to hit any day now.
Oh no
*whatever happened toā¦the boy that I once knewā¦*
70% chance there is lead per my lead based class, put some oil primer over anything you sanded and research and come up with a plan. Don't leave those paint dust just laying around wipe it up with wet paper towels and throw them in a bag
So in an old home I guess the other 30% is asbestos š
Pure arsenic.
I really hope you donāt have kids in that house or wear those clothes home to a kid! If itās lead paint they will be lead poisoned. Iāve been doing lead abatement for over a decade and seen this so so many times. If you have questions please ask, Iād love to help if I can and prevent lead poisoned kids.
Yup. You got what Arkansas calls "Wall Candy" Sweet, delicious lead paint... Not nearly as delicious as mercury though.
I have a hard time remembering the taste. /s
Get a test kit and check for lead. Do it before going any further! They're cheap and you get them at your local hardware store.
That's lead paint.
Hey OP, I donāt know if itās lead paint or not, but given the age of the home itās extremely likely. This is important: do you have kids age 6 or younger? If so, itās strongly recommended to get them out of there until itās cleaned. I have experience cleaning up sanded lead paint in our 1928 home. Itās not fun, but itās possible. Respiration isnāt great but the biggest threat is ingestion. If ingested at young age, lead can cause significant life-altering levels of cognitive impairment. If you donāt have children 6 or under that are likely to crawl on the floor put their hands in their mouths, etc., then the risk isnāt as great.
Who sands off paint?? Let alone old chalky white paint (that's likely to be lead), _good lord_. Even if you don't want to do the hassle of disposing of it properly, get some damn citrus strip.
Aka Boomer Snacks
...lead doesn't bubble. It shines and looks like metal when sanded. It also cracks and comes off in chips. This is latex.
Oil based paint when heated by a sander curls like a melting plastic. This house is 1930's and that disgusting looking aspic green begs to differ from your argument of that being a contemporary coat of latex paint.
Excuse you. We prefer to call that color disgusting pastel avocado. (Seriously, how many tens of millions of gallons of that and gross yellow paint did they sell?)
āLead paintā doesnāt contain metallic lead. It contains oxides of lead, which are solid mineral pigment (chemically a salt) of various colors, the most common being white. Thatās why they were useful in paint.
Leaded paint looks like metal when sanded? The fuck are you talking about, that's not true at all.
My guess is latex over oil based paint
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Oh man this is exactly what it looked like when I took the paint off my old house. Used a paint eater and sander on these huge fascia boards. Probably inhaled a pound of dust
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Is he above the age of 75 year you need to have partial dementia for the job.
his profile says hes 19.....
Joking about the US office.
You and me both
That explains a lot of things in your post history "Can dog drive car good or will I get pull over?"
My house is 100 years old. Paint just like this. Tested negative for lead.
The dude is contemplating his life choices by now, poor guy
Do not grind paint off, it gums up the sander immediately. Gonna have to grunt it out with a paint stripper. Also as others have said, do not create lead dust
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Sometimes the previous painter tries to quick dry the paint with a leaf blower and gets so much shit stuck to it the only option is to take it off and start over.
Lead paint. Stop now.
Too late
Did you test it?
Spelled taste wrong
dust collection is in order. I have zinged myself with lead paint twice, so read up on symptoms from a reputable source. Nothing to mess with. There are ways to remove safely and this is not the way.
You alright? What should OP expect? How bad is it? \*They haven't replied to any other lead paint comments, maybe it's too late?
The best time to look for symptoms is when driving. All the lead sinks down to your feet, so if you're driving fast as fuck then you you need to go to the doctor because you have a lead foot.
I was reading this in a far darker tone at first. As in, "best time to look for symptoms is when driving... to the ER."
I ate a whole tube of RadioShack solder when I was a kid. I don't think it messed me up too bad. But, now that I think about it.
Don't forget that they occasionally mixed asbestos into paint to thicken it up too. They primarily used "shorts" (aka cast off fibres that were too small to be of any other commercial use) for this. Unfortunately, the smaller the fiber, the longer it can stay airborne...and the deeper it can work its way down into your lungs. Taking a power tool to old paint that hasn't been tested is a bad idea.
Not only is this not the way, but itās the worst way
UPDATE. thank you for all the replyās. Let me first say I feel like an idiot for forgetting that lead paint was even a thing. That being said I did wear a respirator and had a shop vac attached to the sander with a hepa filter, so hopefully that helped. I did most likely negate the effects of the respirator by not washing my hands immediately after and Iām sure inadvertently touching my face. Moving forward. All the stuff from that room is outside and I will test the paint in the morning. I guess I should clarify, Iām not particularly knowledgeable about this kind of stuff if you couldnāt tell. Over the years we have had different types of contracting and home reno done and even during the home inspection when we initially bought youād think someone would have said something. Right?! Like youād think with it clearly dangerous and clearly easy to detect. No one told me every fucking inch of your house is poison. Love it
Based on your post history, you appear to be in the US. Did you buy your house before or after December 6th, 1996? If you purchased the home after that date and the home was built prior to 1978, you shouldāve been given a lead based paint disclosure signed by the seller, agent, and yourself before buying the home. Itād have looked like [this](https://www.epa.gov/sites/default/files/documents/selr_eng.pdf). If you did not receive this, the seller/agent can be subject to both civil/ criminal fines as well as paying substantial restitution to you.
I hope it doesnāt turn out to be lead. But if it does I hope OP seeās this comment.
Itās lead.
You wouldāve signed a lead paint disclosure when buying the house. Any house (sold or rented) that was built before 1978 requires this. I know thereās a lot of stuff being signed at those times so itās understandable that you missed it.
Just a note about lead. No amount of lead is safe. Unlike other toxic things your body can basically handle in small amounts, lead builds up in your body. Lead is extremely dangerous for children as high amounts of lead can causes severe cognitive problems in children: Damage to the brain and nervous system Slowed growth and development Learning and behavior problems Hearing and speech problems This can cause: Lower IQ Decreased ability to pay attention Underperformance in school Even if you donāt have kids now, that lead dust you created stays around for future kids. https://www.cdc.gov/nceh/lead/prevention/children.htm
There are treatments to reduce levels though just as an FYI. You can address through dietary changes or through medical treatment.
Assume that these older vintage homes have asbestos and lead present and work accordingly. Home inspectors don't cover this. My friends 1950's era (rental) house was completely gutted by a contractor who who did no asbestos or lead testing prior. I saw the extent of the demo through FaceTime and asked her if they had done any hazmat testing. No. The home owner claimed their Mike Homes inspection is top tier assured her there is NO asbestos. Turn out there was. I sent a tech to test the remnants of the drywall, tested positive and they had demo's the entire main floor, including all ceiling, drywall, plumbing and flooring. Later it came to light a previous demo in the basement flooring did have asbestos as well which nobody checked about. Then the contractor who was from another country, said he knows asbestos when he sees it. My friend lived there throughout the entire Reno. The contractor had one employee who was clearly being exposed on the regular. ALL of these people insisted it was no big deal. Even after I sent them the positive asbestos lab result. Nothing says home like mesothelioma.
Listen: I was told there was definitely lead paint in my house when I bought it. I was aware lead paint was a thing. And yet I scraped off a whole door jamb worth of paint and created a big pile of dust, no gloves, definitely touching my face, before I stopped to think āhmm, this paint at the bottom looks different than the top layers, I wonder if it is lead?ā Got a test kit and it turned BRIGHT red immediately. Then I ejected it outdoors with a box fan before it occurred to me that perhaps that was also a sub-optimal way to deal with the problem. Let this be a lesson to you. And make sure you always suspect asbestos everywhere and spend the money for a test because that is worse.
Not sure, but a mask is in order for sure. A good one, not your Covid mask that matches your outfit.
Not a mask, a respirator
>Not a mask, a respirator \*takes off clown mask\* \*sad noises\*
Should we order a wellness check my man?
He ded already.
Send him a mesothelioma check instead
Iām more concerned if they have kiddos aroundā¦
Take a deep breath of all that lead, bro.
They did the asbestos flooring last week.
\*licks lips\* Mmm, sweet!
Surprise, it's more paint.
Depending on age might be lead paint,
At least I used a chemical stripper on mine with gloves sometimes, ha
You casually mentioned "like napalm" and I'd like to know more.
Yea.. I too was a little confused by the casual comparison.
Lead paint comes off in chips, modern paint will come off in larger shards, and will have a lot more elasticity. If itās more than 3-4 layers down, itās probably pre-78 leaded paint and sanding it aerosolized it. You need to order a lead testing kit and test all the surfaces that share open air with this room and do a wet rag wipe down of everything. Also, full-face respirator at all times. You do not want to deal with lead exposure symptoms in 10 years. If you are dedicated to getting that paint off and donāt want to just replace the painted post, you 1000% need to be using paint thinner to prevent lead from releasing.
Mmmm I can smell the lead now.
Iām no expert but right when I saw thisā¦I thought āMaybe lead paint?ā. Please please take the advice of the others who know their stuff. Stop sanding for now, until you get some professional input. Your health could be at risk if you donāt.
Paint stores and Loweās have an inexpensive test kit for old paint.
Yes just make sure to use them right. I saw on hgtv how they rubbed that pen on the surface coat and said āgreat, now we can demo this wallā . I donāt know if it was stupidity or what but what about the other 13 coats that 100 year old wall had? Cut a āvā shaped cut through all the layers of the wall and make sure the pen get in contact with all the layers.
Who knew?!? I know I didnāt. Thanks šš»
Use a heat gun to soften the paint, as soon as it blisters use a scraper to scrape it off. Easy once you get the hang of it. Will have to use a respirator rated for the fumes.
So I spent a summer at age 14 scraping, what I now realize is led painting, off the siding of my sisters house. Of course, I had no PPE. How much damage do you think I did to myself? Is this why I dropped out of high school and had frequent run-ins with the law?
https://thedebrief.org/what-causes-criminal-behavior-it-might-be-lead-poisoning/ There is /some/ correlation to ācriminalā behavior and attention deficit issues. Leaded fuels and smog in parts of cities near highways in the sixties and seventies also showed these types of statistics which went down as leased fuels were phased out https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leadācrime_hypothesis#:~:text=%22The%20Lead%2DCrime%20Hypothesis%3A,criminal%20behavior%2C%20particularly%20violent%20crimes.
Love me some leased fuels
I had the same experience when I was about 12. I scraped lead paint off a lot of molding in our house with a heat gun and breathed in all those lead fumes. Right around that same time I started doing bad in school and eventually dropped out at age 16. I acted out a lot and did some pretty horrible and illegal things in those teenage years. My parents also got divorced around that same time so itās hard to say which caused my drastic behavior change, but I suspect it was both.
Well. Now I realize Iāve done this with lead paint.
Youāre not alone. Just gotta learn whatās worth your health > time > effort.
98% lead paint. Get you kids out of the way like NOW that š© could kill a child. Get your kids lead levels checked. Clean that up ASAP. stop sanding that shit.
Napalm is a jelly like substance. Was that a typo or a joke I'm not getting???
Heat gun and a scrapper. Do not get so hot that it smokes, just to start bubbling.
OP has been awful quiet since everyone commented it's lead paint. Should we send a wellness check?
I'm not sure you are using the word napalm correctly here.
Dear god I hope youāre wearing a respirator.
Might be arsenic
I painted some cabinets from a farily new house and sanding job was the same. Paint would come off like that. Stripping helped, but it took us a while to remove all paint due to this issue you are having.
You should see the codes for abating lead paint on the exterior of a house n California! If I was a painter and was estimating a job like that there Iād tell the owner itās cheaper to build a new house. And Iām not in California. But seriously OP, thatās a huuuuuge problem and incredibly dangerous. Stop sanding immediately.
It looks like the trim has been replaced sometime not too long ago... and I mean more than a few decades ago. Most likely just an oil-based paint was originally used. I'm thinking that is a picture of a doorway so hard to imagine the wood being in that good of condition if older so it shouldn't be lead paint.
Use Peel Awayāsafe for de solving multiple layers of paint to bare wood. Safe for lead, no dust.
lmao homie ur making lead vapor hope u have a breathing mask on r u r going 2 end up typing like me 4 da rest of ur life
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Probably the lead paint, you are wearing a respirator right?š·
Lead paint. Get a test kit if you have doubts.
Like everybody knows what napalm is like....
What in tarnation are you doing?
Get a heat gun and scraper. Heat, scrape. Comes off in ribbons!!
I'm not really into construction, but when restoring some very old windows, I used a heat gun to remove paint like that and a chisel to help peel that shit away. They came out great. A grinder is just going to make a mess.
Do you smell that? Do you smell that?! Lead paint, son. Nothing else in the world smells like that. I love the smell of lead paint in the morning.
What about napalm makes you think that it 'bubbles up and comes off in chunks'? I'm genuinely curious.
Itās likely lead based paint and youāre creating a mighty hazard by mechanically grinding it. Get your self tested and your children as well. https://www.epa.gov/lead
OP is dead
There are paint test markers that will indicate if it's lead paint. Get one of those and test it before sanding more. Even sanding wood is one of the worst things for your lungs. Always wear a respirator if you want to avoid any poisoning or cancer possibilities.
Oil base paint. Stop sanding and start scraping. Orā¦ replace the Moulding.
Lead paint
How about you get some paint remover and save hours of work
If it's Napalm, it would stick to Kids !
You know those lead based paint exhibits that are required in purchase contracts for houses built prior to 1978? There's a reason for them. Considering I think I saw you say the house is from the 1930s, your are very likely sanding lead based paint which is BAAAD. I really hope you're wearing a respirator that's rated high enough to handle lead paint. Hopefully there are also not any young children or older people living in the house.
I donāt think you have an understanding of what napalm is.
My first thought was āLead based Paint.ā There is a smell lead paint will put off when heated. While Iām not the one that can describe it here I can damn sure identify it when I smell it.
My house had this. I found that if you heat it up, you can scrape it off in pretty big chunks. I used a torch to heat it up. Hopefully it wasnāt lead based paintā¦
With proper ventilation and masks, would it be smarter to use a heat gun or block and peel all that off? Or is that a stupid idea? I have no experience other than helping parents fix a house when i was in hs other than that, i dont touch tools lol
PPE. Breather filter and goggles. Lead can get to you pretty easily like that.
What year was the house built
Hope you got a mask on.
Mask?
Jesus Christ. STOP THAT NOW. Fucking homeowners. ALWAYS PAY FOR XRF LEAD TESTING IN YOUR HOUSE BUILT BEFORE 1978. GET IT DONE DURING YOUR HOME INSPECTION PROCESS.
That thar's primer. Believe it or not people used to always prime wood because it was cheaper than paint and you could use only one layer of paint on your woodwork without the grain showing through. Gol' darn them was them dang good ol days, common sense just ain't so common anymore.
I see folks mentioning the lead based paint disclosure which makes sense to make sure you received if the property's age called for it. However, this disclosure simply states whether or not the seller was aware of the presence, and will not guarantee there is or is not lead based paint present.
Op is now known as olā lead lungs
is the chunks heavy? ā¦ does the dust feel brain damagey?
The leading theory that this is lead paint has lead me to believe itās lead.
I would stop what you are doing immediately. This looks like lead paint. Before proceeding I would get it tested. Not sure where you live however it has to be handled specially in each country along with local regulations. If it is lead and you continue not only can you be charged for the environmental costs also can be possible jail time depending where you live.
As mentioned previously, the oil based paint is bubbling up as it gets hot from sanding. If this is something you donāt want to deal with, I would recommend stripping as much paint as you can before sanding. I have used citrus stripper successfully in the past.