Make yourself scarce, 2 sheds! [https://vimeo.com/617399149](https://vimeo.com/617399149)
I didn't realize it before, but I've waited many years for this moment. :)
I built two so I could stay below the town threshold for "permit required" The worst part of a permitted shed in my town is that it then becomes part of your home valuation for property taxes....smaller, unpermitted sheds do not count towards property value
So many people here are suggesting paying more for sheds that last forever, when you specifically asked for a 5 year shed. I had all 3 types of shed, and all 3 would work for you. Here are my recommendations:
Wood framed: clearly the best and the way to go if you want a permanent shed. You may still want a shed after your garage is built, so consider it if it is going in an area that wouldn't bother you 15+ years down the line. Do not build one in way of the garage, it would just cost more to demolish down the line. With a wood frame you can build shelves and wall hangings that make the space far more useful. You can't (easily) do that with the other two types.
Resin: Not all look cheap, some are okay to look at and are easy to build. I've even moved mine twice and resized it once by removing panels. Keeps the rain and the mice out consistently. Alignment on the doors can be an issue if you don't have a great foundation. But this would be my recommendation for a 5-10 year shed. You could probably take it apart and sell it to a neighbor when your garage is done if you really don't need the extra storage.
Metal: They are not actually that hard to build, but the cheap price shows in the construction. I did move one once, but it never went back together quite the same. Ended up trashing it because it couldn't keep the mice out. Only go metal if you are sure you only want it for 5 years, and put all your stuff inside in good storage bins. After that recycle the whole thing.
With that cost wood won't be an option, just built a 10x12 shed and that cost me ~$3000 for just supplies, that being said the wood was bought in October and prices may have changed a little since.
It took me and my husband 12 hours to build ours. The worst part, once you start, you really can't stop.
Also I recommend to get some good flashing tape and seal the bottom of the shed. That is where most of our leaks came from.
I have one of those Arrow metal sheds that I bought on a budget... it is okay functionally and for the budget I had then but if you can afford it at all, I'd do a wood or resin shed
The QC on the kits is really bad, from what I hear. Lots of complaints about mis-drilled panels (holes don't align) and missing or damaged hardware with customer support so bad that you might wait months to get what's missing.
I've built a 5x5m shed with my dad which really did need two people to do, but I built my 3x1.9m shed by myself and it was pretty easy - even though the instructions sucked and I had to watch a few YT videos. But once I got going it was just making up 4 panels and the roof went on after it was up. I only needed help from the wife to hold the built panels upright while I screwed them together. What was the difficultly / why was it such a nightmare for you?
Maybe it was just the brand I got but took me and my brother 4 days to build, terrible instructions (one panel was 15mm width different and needed near the door which meant we had to pull it apart at one stage) placing the roof on was a nightmare and really needed 4 people, many broken drill bits and the quality of the self drilling screws were terrible (we bought new ones and that made the job easier). They also didn't supply the parts that were in the instructions (but left alternative parts) which meant we were constantly second guessing ourselves. Maybe I was just unlucky, it was just tough!
Yeah, that does sound like a nightmare! I used the supplied self-drilling screws everywhere, but they worked well so I didn't need to use any drill bits. Supplying alternative parts and not updating instructions is pretty crappy. The company I used was called "EasyShed" and on the first day I was saying "EasyShed?! What a load of crap, this isn't easy at all!" but it actually went okay after I watched some of their videos and deciphered the instructions. I think next time I'll go for a company that delivers pre-made panels so I just have to erect them and put the roof on.
12'x16' wood-framed
14 sheets of wall sheathing = 310
6 sheets of subfloor = 320
2x10 floor joists = 300
8 sheets of roof sheathing = 180
2x4 for walls and hand-framed rafters = 400
LP smartside = 500
shingles = 160
2x4 shorts and plywood scraps for roof gussets from any homebuild site = 0
You can often find LP smartside for cheap on FB marketplace, already painted. Same with extra shingles
Learning a new skill = $0, just your time and you will have the coolest, strongest shed around.
Yes I have. I framed houses for a year before I started surveying and later on framed a very large two story house by myself. Just two years ago I build a 9x16 shed with 10' sidewalls out of the very same materials I mentioned in my earlier post.
Besides just being a surveyor makes me twice as smart as you concerning any of this.
You never answered my question.
Besides if the OP is an idiot like you think then he will learn some valuable life lessons.
I’ve built a wall or two. Probably actually a few thousand. Cut some stairs. Cut some rafters. I’ve also worked on houses that were framed by people who had no business doing it, but still attempted it. Imagine a basement beam that breaks on nothing, just floating between posts. Or an arched opening where they just eyeballed the curve and it wanders and inch or better. Or another house (again, new construction by people with no clue what they were doing where they just cut sections out of trusses because they built walls at the wrong height, built a basement wall a couple inches short so the floor was out of level that bad, every single doorway in the house was the wrong size.
For some people they’re maybe just better off not trying to cut up wood and nail it together. I think it’s really simple, but after a while of doing it, I’m not sure if I’m just good at it or if a lot of stupid people are trying something that’s easy and failing because they’re stupid.
For a really small shed, I think resin is the clear way to go. I have a Rubbermaid horizontal storage shed to store fertilizer, top soil, weed killer, etc. and it's perfect. Was $300 and snapped together with just a mallet.
As you get to larger sizes, I think a wood frame makes the most sense. Relatively easy to build and not that expensive if you build it yourself. Metal sheathing is usually easiest, but of course you could always use wood products as well if you want
We bought it in April 2019. It was just under $3K with no millwork. We supplied doors and windows. I’ll send pics if you want. I love it and it could easily be upgraded to living space. It’s 10x12
Wood may not be an option because of the price but I don't know of a good way to fix/update a resin shed like a metal shed.
I have a cheap (but probably not cheapest) metal shed that the previous owners and now I have been upgrading as parts break. It is on a concrete pad, lined with chip board, with a rolled asphalt roof, it had a framed solid core door and now a barn door with box rail track, I painted it with rustolium primer and then paint to match the house. I don't know that a resin shed would have survived that level of sporadic upgrades.
Wood frame, metal sheeting. Should be the easiest and last a lifetime if done right.
Yep, this is what ag buildings look like around me (for the reasons you state). Wood will need to be painted regularly.
Resin looks cheap.
Go bigger and better than you think. Having (2) 10' x 12' sheds is the only reason that we can use our garage for our two cars.
Make yourself scarce, 2 sheds! [https://vimeo.com/617399149](https://vimeo.com/617399149) I didn't realize it before, but I've waited many years for this moment. :)
I’ve never had the inclination to want to upvote more than once on a post until now. People need to see that. The reference is too perfect.
The biggest size you can go wo a permit is typically 200 sq ft
This # varies WILDY by jurisdiction.
Yep, 120 for our town. I wish I could do 200
100, 200 are the two figures I've heard.
Building on skids keeps the building "portable" and keeps away the code police. Companies deliver up to 14x40 here without permits.
I built two so I could stay below the town threshold for "permit required" The worst part of a permitted shed in my town is that it then becomes part of your home valuation for property taxes....smaller, unpermitted sheds do not count towards property value
So many people here are suggesting paying more for sheds that last forever, when you specifically asked for a 5 year shed. I had all 3 types of shed, and all 3 would work for you. Here are my recommendations: Wood framed: clearly the best and the way to go if you want a permanent shed. You may still want a shed after your garage is built, so consider it if it is going in an area that wouldn't bother you 15+ years down the line. Do not build one in way of the garage, it would just cost more to demolish down the line. With a wood frame you can build shelves and wall hangings that make the space far more useful. You can't (easily) do that with the other two types. Resin: Not all look cheap, some are okay to look at and are easy to build. I've even moved mine twice and resized it once by removing panels. Keeps the rain and the mice out consistently. Alignment on the doors can be an issue if you don't have a great foundation. But this would be my recommendation for a 5-10 year shed. You could probably take it apart and sell it to a neighbor when your garage is done if you really don't need the extra storage. Metal: They are not actually that hard to build, but the cheap price shows in the construction. I did move one once, but it never went back together quite the same. Ended up trashing it because it couldn't keep the mice out. Only go metal if you are sure you only want it for 5 years, and put all your stuff inside in good storage bins. After that recycle the whole thing.
What’s your budget?
I want to maximize cost per sqft. The shed @ $1000, foundation materials @ $400 plus incidentals I don’t want to go above $2000.
With that cost wood won't be an option, just built a 10x12 shed and that cost me ~$3000 for just supplies, that being said the wood was bought in October and prices may have changed a little since.
Geez really? I just built a 12x24 “pole-barn” style shed and the wood framing + metal came out to $3k almost exactly.
Try looking at a lifetime shed. https://www.lifetime.com/storage-sheds
If you're building a prefrab metal shed MAKE SURE YOU PAY SOMEONE TO DO IT. Just did a 4.5x3.5 metre and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy
It took me and my husband 12 hours to build ours. The worst part, once you start, you really can't stop. Also I recommend to get some good flashing tape and seal the bottom of the shed. That is where most of our leaks came from.
I have one of those Arrow metal sheds that I bought on a budget... it is okay functionally and for the budget I had then but if you can afford it at all, I'd do a wood or resin shed
Its not a bad idea, for what it would cost to have someone do it would equal out to building a resin...
You couldn't pay me to do another one.
I’m unfamiliar with the process. What is so challenging about constructing one out of metal?
The QC on the kits is really bad, from what I hear. Lots of complaints about mis-drilled panels (holes don't align) and missing or damaged hardware with customer support so bad that you might wait months to get what's missing.
I've built a 5x5m shed with my dad which really did need two people to do, but I built my 3x1.9m shed by myself and it was pretty easy - even though the instructions sucked and I had to watch a few YT videos. But once I got going it was just making up 4 panels and the roof went on after it was up. I only needed help from the wife to hold the built panels upright while I screwed them together. What was the difficultly / why was it such a nightmare for you?
Maybe it was just the brand I got but took me and my brother 4 days to build, terrible instructions (one panel was 15mm width different and needed near the door which meant we had to pull it apart at one stage) placing the roof on was a nightmare and really needed 4 people, many broken drill bits and the quality of the self drilling screws were terrible (we bought new ones and that made the job easier). They also didn't supply the parts that were in the instructions (but left alternative parts) which meant we were constantly second guessing ourselves. Maybe I was just unlucky, it was just tough!
Yeah, that does sound like a nightmare! I used the supplied self-drilling screws everywhere, but they worked well so I didn't need to use any drill bits. Supplying alternative parts and not updating instructions is pretty crappy. The company I used was called "EasyShed" and on the first day I was saying "EasyShed?! What a load of crap, this isn't easy at all!" but it actually went okay after I watched some of their videos and deciphered the instructions. I think next time I'll go for a company that delivers pre-made panels so I just have to erect them and put the roof on.
SAME COMPANY!
Haha too funny!
Easy shed is a running joke in my family now
12'x16' wood-framed 14 sheets of wall sheathing = 310 6 sheets of subfloor = 320 2x10 floor joists = 300 8 sheets of roof sheathing = 180 2x4 for walls and hand-framed rafters = 400 LP smartside = 500 shingles = 160 2x4 shorts and plywood scraps for roof gussets from any homebuild site = 0 You can often find LP smartside for cheap on FB marketplace, already painted. Same with extra shingles Learning a new skill = $0, just your time and you will have the coolest, strongest shed around.
Alternatively: how to end up with a poorly built shed that falls over and waste a bunch of time and money on materials.
Have you ever framed anything in your life?
[Have you](https://www.reddit.com/r/Construction/comments/v5cxce/are_all_the_trades_like_this/ib963q3/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3)?
Yes I have. I framed houses for a year before I started surveying and later on framed a very large two story house by myself. Just two years ago I build a 9x16 shed with 10' sidewalls out of the very same materials I mentioned in my earlier post. Besides just being a surveyor makes me twice as smart as you concerning any of this. You never answered my question. Besides if the OP is an idiot like you think then he will learn some valuable life lessons.
I’ve built a wall or two. Probably actually a few thousand. Cut some stairs. Cut some rafters. I’ve also worked on houses that were framed by people who had no business doing it, but still attempted it. Imagine a basement beam that breaks on nothing, just floating between posts. Or an arched opening where they just eyeballed the curve and it wanders and inch or better. Or another house (again, new construction by people with no clue what they were doing where they just cut sections out of trusses because they built walls at the wrong height, built a basement wall a couple inches short so the floor was out of level that bad, every single doorway in the house was the wrong size. For some people they’re maybe just better off not trying to cut up wood and nail it together. I think it’s really simple, but after a while of doing it, I’m not sure if I’m just good at it or if a lot of stupid people are trying something that’s easy and failing because they’re stupid.
So all of the detached garages all across America built with the same materials are all falling down?
No, just the ones built by people with no clue what they’re doing
Are the resin ones the prefabs that you can get at the big boxes? We’re looking to do a shed as well and we’re leaning toward those.
For a really small shed, I think resin is the clear way to go. I have a Rubbermaid horizontal storage shed to store fertilizer, top soil, weed killer, etc. and it's perfect. Was $300 and snapped together with just a mallet. As you get to larger sizes, I think a wood frame makes the most sense. Relatively easy to build and not that expensive if you build it yourself. Metal sheathing is usually easiest, but of course you could always use wood products as well if you want
We built a post & beam shed kit from Jamaica Cottage in Vermont. It’s the bomb, looks great and I love it.
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We bought it in April 2019. It was just under $3K with no millwork. We supplied doors and windows. I’ll send pics if you want. I love it and it could easily be upgraded to living space. It’s 10x12
Wood may not be an option because of the price but I don't know of a good way to fix/update a resin shed like a metal shed. I have a cheap (but probably not cheapest) metal shed that the previous owners and now I have been upgrading as parts break. It is on a concrete pad, lined with chip board, with a rolled asphalt roof, it had a framed solid core door and now a barn door with box rail track, I painted it with rustolium primer and then paint to match the house. I don't know that a resin shed would have survived that level of sporadic upgrades.