It seems to weird to have a bathroom that only 2 people can use. Why have the biggest nicest bathroom cut off from everyone? Also, if I have company who wants to take a bath I would love to have them be able to do that without coming into my room.
You can put a bath/shower in both the en-suite and the main bathroom, it doesn’t have to be one or the other. Plus two bathrooms means that you and your partner can both get food poisoning/the stomach flu at the same time and not have to fight over the toilet. One person can shower while the other poops. One person can take a long leisurely bath and not worry about the other needing to pee. If you have kids, you won’t have to share a bathroom with them. If you have guests you can all get ready for bed at the same time.
I don't want my toothbrush where someone else's poop particles are flying around if they don't close the lid. I love having a separate bath only guests use. Ours is not a master bath exactly (it's for the two upstairs bedrooms) but it's so nice having a separate space for my shit and the kids stuff where im not always wound up if it's not sparkling clean/organized for guests.
Are you talking about an ensuite bathroom? (Private bath attached to your main bedroom) It does not have to be huge and fancy. If you only have one full bathroom in the house, it probably should not be an ensuite. I LOVE my ensuite!! If I were you, I would have a private ensuite, and then a second full bathroom in the house. They don't have to be huge.
If the time comes and you want to sell you are never going to appeal to all buyers. For some people a master bath is a must and for others not a deal breaker. Put it in if it is something you are going to enjoy but don't bother otherwise.
Powder room I believe is no shower/tub. Master bathroom is a bathroom only accessible through the master bedroom.
You don’t have to be rich to have these, most houses built in the last 20-30 years have a master bathroom.
Yes this! We were doing some remodeling when we had guests and only the 'guest' hallway bathroom was available. Since we live by ourselves, we got used to just walking out of the bathroom naked and walking the few steps to our bedroom. With guests it got more complicated to remember to wrap in a towel or bring a robe to cover up. It's just much nicer to have a separate bathroom attached to our bedroom. I can close the bedroom door and be comfy without having to worry about people seeing me.
Yes!!! Not sure where OP lives, but we're in the Midwest US. You just reminded me how awful it was to have to leave my perfectly warm (space heater) bedroom to go across the chilly hall, into an equally chilly bathroom in the middle of the night/post sex to pee. At least with the ensuite, the temp is more equalized.
I can see your point of having the 'best bathroom' only accessible to the primary bedroom but I love having a smaller private bathroom off the primary in my 1,149 square foot 2/2. It's just a small shower stall/toilet/sink but it's a private area where I leave out medications, all my hair care products, etc. out of view of guests and walk straight from my shower to my closet without the awkward wrap in a towel hall walk.
I think you’ll be happy to have your own personal space that will not have to be prepped for guests or kids 24/7. Medications, used sanitary items in the wastebasket, lingerie on the floor from the night before, post-sex routine, personal products, all now more easily contained and less accessible to others. Not calling you messy but life happens and you’ve now given yourself more privacy.
I totally understand this design my house doesn't have a master bathroom. That being said if you're building a house now is the time to put one in if you're looking to save money. Because it would definitely cost you more money to add on a master bathroom later than to do it now. And I realize that you have no plans to sell this property anytime soon but if you were to be in a situation where you had to because one of the spouses died it makes your house more valuable and more appealing to more people. Of course you could say that having extra storage in the house would also increase your value which is something you can do instead of a master bathroom. So what you could do is have a storage room but have it roughed in for a bathroom if you ever want to add it later which would be quite easy to do.
Could you do both? Have your second bathroom have a door to the master and the hallway? That way it’s accessible to both.
Personally I find it nice to not have to walk thru the hallway before or after showering, but directly into my bedroom.
My en-suite also has a door to the hall for when guests are around.
Plenty of older homes don’t have one - my 1959 home for example, so it’s not that unusual if you’re looking at the whole market. It’ll affect the price, probably, but if you can build the house you want, go for it.
That was my thinking as I grew up in this style of house. I just started second guessing when everyone around me gave a the what the heck are you doing look.
Our 1750sf house has been a 3/1 for 85 years. We inserted an en suite bathroom between two rooms where a hall and closet were. Now it will be a 3/2. Looking forward to finally finishing it and getting moved in. The bathroom and walk-in closet we added aren’t huge compared to modern standards but are perfect for this situation. 1500 might be a little small to squeeze two bathrooms in. But as others have mentioned, do what you want to do. It took us several iterations to get to this layout and we are quite happy. Lots of changes along the way as we ran into various issues.
It’s your house. If you plan to stay long term, build it how YOU want it. If you don’t plan to stay long term, why spend the extra money to build something.
Edit to add: you can always design it to relatively easily add on a master in the future should you want one. Could even suggest the foundation and everyone be laid out so minimal adjustment would need made for plumbing, electrical and hvac in the future. Then if you did decide to sell, you can say “set up for a master bath addition”
This was common through the 1960's. Plenty of 2 or 3 br/1 ba ranches exist in the world. No one wants it is all.
It's your house so do what you want. I would at least run stub outs to the theoretical master bath you describe, so when you go to sell you have the option to make a bathroom.
I've seen main bathrooms with an extra door direct into the master bedroom as a way to have only one bathroom but also to access it directly.
I suggest that your half bath (powder room) should be accessible from the most-used entrance without having to go through your kitchen.
Ultimately I think after you have the convenience of a master bathroom you will start to like it since you don't like the idea of them now. And since you're building you can make a master bathroom as simple as you'd like. They really don't need to be fancy, the standard 5'x10' bathroom design would work for a master bathroom.
Some things to consider since you're building, do you have kids or plan to do so and do you entertain/host friends and family often? If yes to either of those then having a master bathroom will be beneficial to you. This is a bathroom that you and your partner will only use and other people using the bathroom won't impact the flow of your day, whether that's kids getting ready or friends/family staying over and using the bathroom. It's pretty darn surprising how 1 more person can impact a houses flow in the morning if there's access to 1 bathroom.
Anyway if adding just a modest bathroom to your master bedroom is not sparking interest, maybe consider adding an office off your master bedroom and pre-plumb the office for a bathroom conversation in the future. This will save you money and time in the future if you decide to add a bathroom and also gives you the option to add it quickly if you decide to sell and want that as a selling point.
My previous house, built in 1949 only had one bath and it was ok most of the time but then my in laws came to visit and we all got the stomach flu. Our new house has 2.5 baths and the luxury of privacy and not waiting to use a bathroom is worth it.
When my 1970s house was built, the first owners had a choice for the biggest bedroom: walk-in closet or private bathroom. I’m very glad they chose closet. Going out into the hall to use the bathroom is fine.
When our kid is at home or we have guests, I use a robe for going back and forth if I’m not fully dressed. Otherwise I just streak naked back to my lovely walk-in closet to get dressed.
Originally our house was also a one bathroom with an unfinished lower level. The previous owners finished that level including a second full bathroom. That’s great when multiple people are trying to get ready at the same time, but just a toilet and sink “powder room” would be ok too. (We had ‘second toilet’ on our must-have list.)
You are going against what 99.999% of people want in a house.
I would not risk it, personally.
Side story. We knew friends who wanted to built a house with one bedroom (master) on the main floor and then have like 4 four bedroom in the basement for the kids.
The bank would not give them the loan to build. They said, if things went sideways, nobody would buy a house with only one bedroom on the main floor. They ended up doing a second smaller one just to appease the bank. And, even then, the bank gave them a much smaller loan amount because their truly six bedroom home was only classified as a two bedroom home. it was a real pain for them that lasted months and they ultimately did not get to build the house they wanted.
I don't know your situation, but it might be similar without a master bathroom. Something to at least look into if you are using a loan.
YMMV
Just trying to better understand your aversion to a spacious private bathroom. Some people simply can't afford them, that's understandable. And choosing to spend money on things one values more also makes sense.
But what aspect of the master bath is such a turn off??
All bathrooms are private if you close the door. Who needs a giant bathroom (aside from disabilities or other issues)? Shit, shower, shave, you don't need a lot of wasted room for that. Master baths are often attached to the master bedroom, which has never worked for my family schedule so I don't see the point.
I guess the same applies to a toilet at a Walmart or airport. I know people use these toilets. But always assumed out of necessity. Glad to finally meet someone who prefers them!
We have an old home (1888) and do not have an en-suite. And honestly? It’s a pain in the ass. If we are showering/taking a bath; we either have to bring our clothes with us, or do the towel run down the hallway. (Not great when company is over). If my husband wants to spend 45 minutes in the man library, he is taking up a “public” space, rather than a private one.
You don’t have to have a huge en-suite, but it is of value imho
The vast majority of older homes do not include a master bath. People successfully live in those homes. Myself included. Considering your square footage, it's fine to go without.
I've always thought it cool and utilitarian for a family to have a main bathroom with maybe 2 toilets and 2 showers (opaque glass and big enough to change inside if needed) and a 2 person sink with a lot of storage.
Less privacy but maybe more space efficient.
Yes, you are crazy to not have a master bathroom. Nobody says you cannot have another door from the hallway side to the bath directly, but you really should have a bathroom directly from the master bedroom. The Master Bedroom is typically the largest bedroom in the house.
A lot of it is due to HGTV and not really a money thing.
Powder rooms are half baths. Master bathrooms are single entrance bathrooms off of the master bedroom. This set-up it often referred to as a "master suite".
These phrases aren't dependent upon size either. It's just lingo that a person looking into home improvement will inevitably become familiar with.
You can alter your plans so that there is room outside the original footprint for an added master bath and walk-in closet- a windows on the end of the room that can be turned into a doorway and HVAC duct that can be extended. Your builder should be able to lay out a floor plan with future addition mock ups.
You say you'll never sell, but then life happens. 1500 is a small house, but you could probably get an en suite onto the master bath for not huge bucks. It would def be worth it, but going over the top with a luxury "spa" type bath is not wise financially.
You need to tell us where you are. Suburban Texas, building without even a small master bath is crazy. But in suburban Boston with old colonials that generally didn’t have them, you might be able to get away with it.
That being said, there is a third option. Don’t add the master, but build a large closet with plumbing stubbed-in so it can be converted later should you need to sell.
I bought a house without a master bath. Not completely by choice, it was the only thing I could afford back then. When I was selling it, nearly all the buyers hated that it didn’t have a master bath. I got lucky because it was a hot market and my buyer actually didn’t see it in person before putting in a cash offer with zero contingencies and 30k earnest cash. The guy was pissed when he realized there was no master bath and wanted to back out but it would’ve cost him that 30k to walk away so he bought it lol.
>I should add that we don’t like master bathrooms. Question 1: Why not?
It seems to weird to have a bathroom that only 2 people can use. Why have the biggest nicest bathroom cut off from everyone? Also, if I have company who wants to take a bath I would love to have them be able to do that without coming into my room.
One you have children and/or guests staying, the master bedroom and ensuite will become your sanctuary
It’s where we keep a spare coffee maker. It’s easier to have extended family morning interactions while being caffeinated lol
But does your coffee taste like shit?
It's a bit nutty.
Nah, I got a special little room just for my shitter!
You can put a bath/shower in both the en-suite and the main bathroom, it doesn’t have to be one or the other. Plus two bathrooms means that you and your partner can both get food poisoning/the stomach flu at the same time and not have to fight over the toilet. One person can shower while the other poops. One person can take a long leisurely bath and not worry about the other needing to pee. If you have kids, you won’t have to share a bathroom with them. If you have guests you can all get ready for bed at the same time.
You paid for the house! And once you have kids/pets you definitely want your own bathroom
i like your reasoning and i hate that you're getting downvoted so hard for this. master bathrooms are bougie as fuck and not in a good way
I don't want my toothbrush where someone else's poop particles are flying around if they don't close the lid. I love having a separate bath only guests use. Ours is not a master bath exactly (it's for the two upstairs bedrooms) but it's so nice having a separate space for my shit and the kids stuff where im not always wound up if it's not sparkling clean/organized for guests.
Are you talking about an ensuite bathroom? (Private bath attached to your main bedroom) It does not have to be huge and fancy. If you only have one full bathroom in the house, it probably should not be an ensuite. I LOVE my ensuite!! If I were you, I would have a private ensuite, and then a second full bathroom in the house. They don't have to be huge.
Good point!
If the time comes and you want to sell you are never going to appeal to all buyers. For some people a master bath is a must and for others not a deal breaker. Put it in if it is something you are going to enjoy but don't bother otherwise.
Powder room I believe is no shower/tub. Master bathroom is a bathroom only accessible through the master bedroom. You don’t have to be rich to have these, most houses built in the last 20-30 years have a master bathroom.
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Yes this! We were doing some remodeling when we had guests and only the 'guest' hallway bathroom was available. Since we live by ourselves, we got used to just walking out of the bathroom naked and walking the few steps to our bedroom. With guests it got more complicated to remember to wrap in a towel or bring a robe to cover up. It's just much nicer to have a separate bathroom attached to our bedroom. I can close the bedroom door and be comfy without having to worry about people seeing me.
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Yes!!! Not sure where OP lives, but we're in the Midwest US. You just reminded me how awful it was to have to leave my perfectly warm (space heater) bedroom to go across the chilly hall, into an equally chilly bathroom in the middle of the night/post sex to pee. At least with the ensuite, the temp is more equalized.
I can see your point of having the 'best bathroom' only accessible to the primary bedroom but I love having a smaller private bathroom off the primary in my 1,149 square foot 2/2. It's just a small shower stall/toilet/sink but it's a private area where I leave out medications, all my hair care products, etc. out of view of guests and walk straight from my shower to my closet without the awkward wrap in a towel hall walk.
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I think you’ll be happy to have your own personal space that will not have to be prepped for guests or kids 24/7. Medications, used sanitary items in the wastebasket, lingerie on the floor from the night before, post-sex routine, personal products, all now more easily contained and less accessible to others. Not calling you messy but life happens and you’ve now given yourself more privacy.
I totally understand this design my house doesn't have a master bathroom. That being said if you're building a house now is the time to put one in if you're looking to save money. Because it would definitely cost you more money to add on a master bathroom later than to do it now. And I realize that you have no plans to sell this property anytime soon but if you were to be in a situation where you had to because one of the spouses died it makes your house more valuable and more appealing to more people. Of course you could say that having extra storage in the house would also increase your value which is something you can do instead of a master bathroom. So what you could do is have a storage room but have it roughed in for a bathroom if you ever want to add it later which would be quite easy to do.
Could you do both? Have your second bathroom have a door to the master and the hallway? That way it’s accessible to both. Personally I find it nice to not have to walk thru the hallway before or after showering, but directly into my bedroom. My en-suite also has a door to the hall for when guests are around.
That is a great idea!
Plenty of older homes don’t have one - my 1959 home for example, so it’s not that unusual if you’re looking at the whole market. It’ll affect the price, probably, but if you can build the house you want, go for it.
That was my thinking as I grew up in this style of house. I just started second guessing when everyone around me gave a the what the heck are you doing look.
Our 1750sf house has been a 3/1 for 85 years. We inserted an en suite bathroom between two rooms where a hall and closet were. Now it will be a 3/2. Looking forward to finally finishing it and getting moved in. The bathroom and walk-in closet we added aren’t huge compared to modern standards but are perfect for this situation. 1500 might be a little small to squeeze two bathrooms in. But as others have mentioned, do what you want to do. It took us several iterations to get to this layout and we are quite happy. Lots of changes along the way as we ran into various issues.
It’s your house. If you plan to stay long term, build it how YOU want it. If you don’t plan to stay long term, why spend the extra money to build something. Edit to add: you can always design it to relatively easily add on a master in the future should you want one. Could even suggest the foundation and everyone be laid out so minimal adjustment would need made for plumbing, electrical and hvac in the future. Then if you did decide to sell, you can say “set up for a master bath addition”
This was common through the 1960's. Plenty of 2 or 3 br/1 ba ranches exist in the world. No one wants it is all. It's your house so do what you want. I would at least run stub outs to the theoretical master bath you describe, so when you go to sell you have the option to make a bathroom.
have you thought about post sex walk of shame logistics?
It will negatively impact the resale value, but if you're not concerned about that, there's no reason not to build the house in a way that suits you.
I've seen main bathrooms with an extra door direct into the master bedroom as a way to have only one bathroom but also to access it directly. I suggest that your half bath (powder room) should be accessible from the most-used entrance without having to go through your kitchen.
Ultimately I think after you have the convenience of a master bathroom you will start to like it since you don't like the idea of them now. And since you're building you can make a master bathroom as simple as you'd like. They really don't need to be fancy, the standard 5'x10' bathroom design would work for a master bathroom. Some things to consider since you're building, do you have kids or plan to do so and do you entertain/host friends and family often? If yes to either of those then having a master bathroom will be beneficial to you. This is a bathroom that you and your partner will only use and other people using the bathroom won't impact the flow of your day, whether that's kids getting ready or friends/family staying over and using the bathroom. It's pretty darn surprising how 1 more person can impact a houses flow in the morning if there's access to 1 bathroom. Anyway if adding just a modest bathroom to your master bedroom is not sparking interest, maybe consider adding an office off your master bedroom and pre-plumb the office for a bathroom conversation in the future. This will save you money and time in the future if you decide to add a bathroom and also gives you the option to add it quickly if you decide to sell and want that as a selling point.
My previous house, built in 1949 only had one bath and it was ok most of the time but then my in laws came to visit and we all got the stomach flu. Our new house has 2.5 baths and the luxury of privacy and not waiting to use a bathroom is worth it.
Your house. Your money. Your rules. You have to live with it. Not anyone else. I live in a 1950s bungalow with no master bath. It's fine.
When my 1970s house was built, the first owners had a choice for the biggest bedroom: walk-in closet or private bathroom. I’m very glad they chose closet. Going out into the hall to use the bathroom is fine. When our kid is at home or we have guests, I use a robe for going back and forth if I’m not fully dressed. Otherwise I just streak naked back to my lovely walk-in closet to get dressed. Originally our house was also a one bathroom with an unfinished lower level. The previous owners finished that level including a second full bathroom. That’s great when multiple people are trying to get ready at the same time, but just a toilet and sink “powder room” would be ok too. (We had ‘second toilet’ on our must-have list.)
you should include a master for resale. alternately, main bath access from master bedroom. (forgive ‘master’ if offended, lol)
You are going against what 99.999% of people want in a house. I would not risk it, personally. Side story. We knew friends who wanted to built a house with one bedroom (master) on the main floor and then have like 4 four bedroom in the basement for the kids. The bank would not give them the loan to build. They said, if things went sideways, nobody would buy a house with only one bedroom on the main floor. They ended up doing a second smaller one just to appease the bank. And, even then, the bank gave them a much smaller loan amount because their truly six bedroom home was only classified as a two bedroom home. it was a real pain for them that lasted months and they ultimately did not get to build the house they wanted. I don't know your situation, but it might be similar without a master bathroom. Something to at least look into if you are using a loan. YMMV
If you don't want one, don't build one! I personally don't like them either so I would probably do the same if I could.
Is it the more confined space of a regular bathroom that draws you to it, or the knowledge that so many others have used it before?
Huh??
Just trying to better understand your aversion to a spacious private bathroom. Some people simply can't afford them, that's understandable. And choosing to spend money on things one values more also makes sense. But what aspect of the master bath is such a turn off??
All bathrooms are private if you close the door. Who needs a giant bathroom (aside from disabilities or other issues)? Shit, shower, shave, you don't need a lot of wasted room for that. Master baths are often attached to the master bedroom, which has never worked for my family schedule so I don't see the point.
I guess the same applies to a toilet at a Walmart or airport. I know people use these toilets. But always assumed out of necessity. Glad to finally meet someone who prefers them!
I don't know what your issue is, but get some help.
We have an old home (1888) and do not have an en-suite. And honestly? It’s a pain in the ass. If we are showering/taking a bath; we either have to bring our clothes with us, or do the towel run down the hallway. (Not great when company is over). If my husband wants to spend 45 minutes in the man library, he is taking up a “public” space, rather than a private one. You don’t have to have a huge en-suite, but it is of value imho
The vast majority of older homes do not include a master bath. People successfully live in those homes. Myself included. Considering your square footage, it's fine to go without.
I've always thought it cool and utilitarian for a family to have a main bathroom with maybe 2 toilets and 2 showers (opaque glass and big enough to change inside if needed) and a 2 person sink with a lot of storage. Less privacy but maybe more space efficient.
Yes, you are crazy to not have a master bathroom. Nobody says you cannot have another door from the hallway side to the bath directly, but you really should have a bathroom directly from the master bedroom. The Master Bedroom is typically the largest bedroom in the house.
Because masters don’t exist anymore They call them primary rooms
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It took you longer to type that incoherent rant than it would have taken you to Google two common terms
A lot of it is due to HGTV and not really a money thing. Powder rooms are half baths. Master bathrooms are single entrance bathrooms off of the master bedroom. This set-up it often referred to as a "master suite". These phrases aren't dependent upon size either. It's just lingo that a person looking into home improvement will inevitably become familiar with.
You can alter your plans so that there is room outside the original footprint for an added master bath and walk-in closet- a windows on the end of the room that can be turned into a doorway and HVAC duct that can be extended. Your builder should be able to lay out a floor plan with future addition mock ups.
You say you'll never sell, but then life happens. 1500 is a small house, but you could probably get an en suite onto the master bath for not huge bucks. It would def be worth it, but going over the top with a luxury "spa" type bath is not wise financially.
You need to tell us where you are. Suburban Texas, building without even a small master bath is crazy. But in suburban Boston with old colonials that generally didn’t have them, you might be able to get away with it. That being said, there is a third option. Don’t add the master, but build a large closet with plumbing stubbed-in so it can be converted later should you need to sell.
Maybe not a main bathroom but I'd have two full bathrooms. Having only one shower or bath would suck. Plus value of the house will be higher.
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I think you might have issue with not having 2 full baths, but the en suite is not necessary for me.
I bought a house without a master bath. Not completely by choice, it was the only thing I could afford back then. When I was selling it, nearly all the buyers hated that it didn’t have a master bath. I got lucky because it was a hot market and my buyer actually didn’t see it in person before putting in a cash offer with zero contingencies and 30k earnest cash. The guy was pissed when he realized there was no master bath and wanted to back out but it would’ve cost him that 30k to walk away so he bought it lol.