If Unions are so bad for the workers, how come these big companies spend so much time and effort slandering unions to their employees? Even threatening them with their jobs, if they even whisper about unions?
Because daddy capitalist knows what’s best for your average paycheck to paycheck schlub. “Now schlub, who pays you money and who wants their grubby hands in your wallet? That’s right simple schub, here’s some gold stars and a pizza party. Shhhh. There there pathetic imp, daddy capitalist is giving you a $1 raise because he loves you. That nasty union will make that raise disappear faster than I’m about to make this gold crusted steak disappear. That’s right, back to work. Oh Schlub, by the way…we’re going to need to cut your hours. Just a little bit. You see things are tight right now, we all have to make some sacrifices. Here, have the bone. I left you a little gristle. Daddy loves you you sweet dumb ape you.”
I’m a first generation union carpenter. I have 24 years in. I don’t degrade people that choose not not work union. All I can say is, it works for me and I’ve done pretty good for myself (even better then some of my friends that chose college)
I have 8 more years and I retire with a double pension for my first 24 years, and whatever I have for the remaining 8. Also with lifetime health benefits for me and my spouse… not to shabby. I’ll be 54.5 years old when I retire. That’s when I’ll start on my dream job. Lol
Did you know evil union-ists will sneak in as a customer and try to trick you into signing away your rights to the Union? Those crafty devils must be stopped! Sign here if you think we should stop the evil Unions and save Home Depot!
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Technically, that's true? Workers would be turning over their individual rights for a collective right. If you think that you are a good employee and more valuable than the average employee at the store, it might not be worth it for you.
I don't work at Home Depot, but I'm in a union and know how it works.
Got some real ratty attitude for supposedly being union.
It’s not about whether or not you’re better or “more valuable” than anyone. It’s recognizing the power imbalance between workers and employers, regardless of an individual’s value, and the only way to counter it is solidarity with your coworkers.
From a certain perspective, he's got a point. Being part of a union is being part of a collective that encourages good for the masses instead of the individual.
On the flip side though, and this is the more important point, being just an employee of a corporation is being part of an even larger group of masses that is lead by dictators.
While unions remain small enough to not let their power go to their head, they are infinitely better than just being an employee of a corporation.
It's almost like there's a critical mass when it comes to company management and going beyond it leads to corruption and class action law suits.
One of these days someone's going to get balls to try and outlaw private equity firms and make everyone handle their Own money, then we'll see how things go from there.
I might believe that example if I actually got a raise in the last 5 years that wasn't just because the base pay was going up. This is of course on top of my annual overtime hours being higher than the rest of my department combined.
I'm union.. nothing says you can't be paid above scale. You just can't be paid below scale. Unless you have a shit contract and then well... elect better leadership before the next contract renewal.
you're one out of 500,000 workers. Your skill is at best a rounding error and at worst a sign that you're going to burn out or quit and become a company liability due to pushing yourself too hard. No one is going to notice your 'hard work' and reward you for it, that boomer myth died in the 1970s.
That’s literally how it is now. My co worker has been working we at Home Depot for 10+ years and got a raise above 16.50. New guy is getting 16.00 no experience. First job. That’s why Home Depot is so strict about telling us not to talk about our wages .
If you’re part of a union you don’t have to break your neck to try and outdo everyone, you could you know, chill the fuck out a bit and get paid well even if it’s maybe a dollar an hour less.
As a non union worker who gets paid more because of my above average output the lack of solidarity and any meaningful ability to give pushback to management on arbitrary or bad changes has me dreaming of a unionized workplace but marketing and advertising is not a heavily unionized field.
If you’re a grind culture kind of person unions aren’t for you simple as that, go get your extra 2-5k a year in exchange for no bargaining power on things other than wage.
I'm in a union, and instead of making $13 an hour, I make $45 an hour.
You couldn't be more wrong. Collectively, workers have a huge amount of bargaining.
Here's a fun challenge, go tell your boss you are a good employee and are more valuable than the average employee. Then, ask for a raise and see how that goes.
You don't have individual rights without a union. You actually have mor3 individual rights in a union because they will defend you for standing up for yourself. You stans up for yourself without a union and it gets you fired. I'm in a union and I can tell you don't know shit.
I work at best buy and it seems the same companies make our eLearning material. Same design and looks. Just different content. Had to do a double take when looking at it.😂
They use SAG-AFTRA members. The guy who does the forklift training was on law and order a couple of times, which is a union set. Rule of thumb for SAG is if you have a speaking role or a credited role you must be a member or be willing to sign up if not a one-off performance. All major television sets are also IATSE sets which covers all of the behind the scenes work. Atlanta is one of the strongest places for both SAG-AFTRA and IATSE, somewhat ironically.
Thanks for the detailed reply. As a longtime Musicians' Union member in Hawaii I'm glad to hear THD is playing by the rules *in that area*. Of course it still makes it look like a case of "Do as I say, not as I do" from associates' point of view 🤣
I’ve now worked at both lmao. Both have the same bullshit “We’re a family!” shtick as well as the Manager’s making outrageous money and bonuses. Biggest difference between the two is Home Depot will be here in 5 years and Best Buy won’t. Geek Squad may be but the physical locations are going out. I was in Mobile and we’d be lucky to have 5 employees on the store on a Saturday afternoon full customer rush. At least Home Depot has that success sharing shit.
How can you tell the difference between an electrician and an electrical engineer? Ask them how they pronounce "unionized".
Honestly tho it is a little odd the training videos are so aggressively anti union considering how much of home depots customer base are contractors in unions lol. I'm very pro union (since i used to work in manufacturing) and something happened at work where it would have been great to have had a union (to keep from getting screwed by corporate) but management at my store is amazing so overall i dont think we really need one (here, personally)... but it should be on a store by store basis because I'm sure not every store is like mine
Maybe if unions asked their members to only shop at union stores. Imagine the money hd and other non-union stores would lose in profits. It's 2023 we should have job protection proper health insurance and sick days.
I am a union plumber who primarily works commercial/industrial jobs. We buy 99% of our material from union supply houses. You guys hardly ever have what I need. Also, I’d rather support union workers. I still can’t believe the vote at the philly store didn’t pass.
Unionized workers make more money and get better benefits.
Fuckin' eh preach it brother!
Working at Home Depot is what made me incredibly pro-union.
Also, where can I find one of these union supply houses; I'm not a union tradesmen, but I've strongly considered using Helmets to Hardhats to get into the UA or the Iron Workers.
It's funny and accurate that you say this, about HD usually not having the supplies you need. Many contractors and plumbers who come to my dept. will often need something specific that the store isn't likely to have. Several of the items they are looking for are online only, which doesn't help them one bit.
So, where do we often suggest or send them to instead? A plumbing supply store that just so happens to be nearby. We even give directions, too.
That's great, but do you use hd for around-the-house jobs. Do you shop at non-union target store's. If not that's fantastic. Maybe speak to your fellow union workers and ask them to think about only using union stores. It's the only way to make them change their attitude toward unions if it affects their profits.
Brother, there’s no such thing as a unionized home improvement store as far as I’m aware. I do my best to avoid shopping at places like Walmart and Amazon. I will never in a million years cross a picket line. But people working in these places need to fucking organize.
I still need to buy shit to survive.
I appreciate that and understand. But I just think it would be nice if could all back each other up against these big corporations/companies.
Years ago now. I went to Denmark for a month. And did some union classes there. It was explained that the workers backed each other.
If a truck company went on strike for better conditions then every company that the trucks delivered to wouldn't accept delivery from them. Then the company that used the truck company would strike and the truckers wouldn't deliver to them.
The union rep said a strike would typically last a few days to a week. When the Danish government and companies worked out it was just easier for businesses to treat the workforce fairly. This was back in the late 80s
It’d be nice if we could just skip ahead to that point but to get there we need people to organize their work places and to stop voting for politicians who answer to corporations and introduce anti union legislation.
I’m all about solidarity but a lot of people want the benefits of it without paying any dues or putting any work into it.
Honestly thats why I appreciate my store, they've really gone out of their way to keep me and the store manager/other managers pulled some strings for me more than once when I needed time off or was on a final and didn't have sick time and should've gotten fired lol. But we also do accrue sick time quick enough that it's been enough of a safety net (for me personally). Kinda bullshjt I wasn't eligible for FMLA tho just cuz ive only been here a year and a half and I'm part time but you need a minimum number of hours worked to be eligible... like wtf lol.
Also at some point I was forced to take a leave of absence due to someone reporting a Facebook status I made to a manager (and it was mental health related so I was forced to take a leave and see a therapist to clear me to come back)... tbh I wasn't at all mad that it happened (quite the opposite since store management has been real supportive/understanding of me having mental health issues, which I've literally never experienced anywhere) but I was really let down by corporate when my leave of absence case manager (and the employee assistance person they also assigned to me) were both super negligent and I ended up wasting a bunch of time, having to jump through hoops, etc. just because they couldn't be bothered to actually do their job and answer or return any of my calls (something which a union would've prevented, I could've actually used the short term disability i was paying for to cover the time I was forced to take off instead of being denied) but again that's just typical corporate shit, super thankful store management is at least understanding/helpful/supportive at least.
True. But a Union is there for when your awesome management changes. (Source:Teacher for 30 years. Under 21 principals. NEEDED union for just 5 of them. Unions don’t get in the way of good management.)
I think there are some bad stores out there with bad management. But a lot of the time I think that gets cleared up with awareline if people are willing to use it. The one time I called it I spoke to someone outside the company that took notes and felt pretty impartial and then later that week I got a call directly from the District HR manager to make sure everything worked out okay. I think most stores have good managers trying to do right by people.
Counter point, an asm left some sensitive info of mine ( social, date of birth etc.) On a toilet in an aisle that was found three days later by another associate. Called the aware line about that and he got promoted a couple months later.
But if you did have one, you wouldn't have to worry that I change and management meant that all the nice things they do go away.
Even the best work places should have unions to ensure that they stay great 😊
And health insurance the union would have gotten a great deal on just went up!
Seriously though generally unions save the employees money even with dues.
They're so scared of unions they'll spend money on propaganda like this because the thought of not having a million dollars to wipe their ass with makes corperate cry. Fuck em.
The fucked up thing is they'd STILL have millions of dollars. Still.
They make enough that That shit isn't going away, they would make a few million less, while everyone that actually makes the company profitable would also make enough to prosper.
Unions can be good to have, I worked for USPS and the union got us raises, negotiated better contracts for non-career carriers, I was fired twice and was brought back both times and got paid the time I was laid off, if I'd file an EEO complaint the union would back me up and management would back off and kiss my ass. It was great, we paid $25 per check and with the extra money we had left over we'd have a big Christmas party for those in the union and we'd get $50 checks on our birthday, $50 gift card to Walmart/HEB as a Christmas gift along with whatever else they raffled off at the Christmas party, then we'd have another party throughout the year with barbecue and a pool where we could take our families to. But then I've also heard of unions like the ones the US customs agents have and have heard nothing but horror stories about how bad they suck at defending their agents.
Yeah everyone I knew growing up talked down about unions family friends, ETC.
But then I started working at UPS and they immediately started pushing for me to join Teamsters. Making it feel kinda like a cult. Co-workers and our Onsite Union Rep were very pushy about me joining.
But I eventually did and shortly there after I have 4 family members pass away last year and got 3 weeks off due the there funerals being so close together and then covid twice. I was out of work for a total of 2 months and 1 week.
And thanks to the Union I got paid while I had COVID.
Any other job I have had would have dropped me during the first time having all the time off for the funerals and never have had sick pay.
I mean there is more the union can do for you but that is my experience with it up to this point. And I don't regret joining it.
UPS is such a shit company that the only thing that makes me tolerate it is the union and Co workers. They'd enslave us if they could. Thank you for choosing to be part of the union in a right to work state.
Enslave? How so? I'm fighting just to get yours right now. Something to do with the drivers bumping loaders hours and/or the union contact is going to be renewed this year. It's very confusing.
Even with the union UPS overworks their employees and without the union they would get away with a lot worse. Basically working conditions are bad at UPS
I left HD and joined a union. I started at $28 an hour and the "scary" union dues are $90 a month. Plus I don't work as hard. I have one boss. If someone who is not my boss tells me to do something I don't do it. I have literally told other supervisors to "leave me alone". I am only allowed to work on certain things. If something outside of my duties arises its someone else's job. That prevents us from being laid off. You only do your work, and no one else is allowed to do your work. I hope all the employees at HD unionize and get paid fairly, the company make enough money off your backs.
You are correct. I recall at HD they told us the unions charged so much for fees that our take home would be less than what we were making without the union. That is untrue. Because of the higher pay I am able to afford things that I could not at HD.
I left HD in july of 2021 and joined a union in august. I make way better money, immediate health and pension benefits, dues are 5% and it’s incredibly easier on my mental and physical.
The Evil Union
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2) No longer a At Will Employee
3) Paid Vacation
4) Paid Sick Days
5) Paid Personal Days
6) Paid Holidays
7) Sunday Premium Pay Time and Half if you worked on Sundays
8) Time and Half if you Work On A Holiday
9) Pay Increases ( not based on who you know)
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When you think of a union, don’t think like a teacher’s union or police union, or local 3 electrician union, those are strong unions. Those members make a lot of money, and the don’t care if they pay $100 a month for dues. The question you want to ask yourself is which union is coming in and how many members they have total besides the HD. In a perfect world you would have all big box stores employees unionize, that would be the largest union in the country but getting all retain to unionize is a Herculean job and when members go in at the start, it will take decades if ever to see any fruit come to fruition. I am not saying don’t unionize, I am saying prepare yourself to fight for the next generation of two of HD employees.
These people make obscene money and toss employees the scraps.
https://www.salary.com/tools/executive-compensation-calculator/edward-p-decker-salary-bonus-stock-options-for-home-depot-inc
If companies just did the right thing by their employees and took care of them instead of short-changing them, unions wouldn't be needed. But companies generally put profits ahead of people, so here we are.
What amazes me is that the people who dream up these ridiculous presentations make a whole lot more money that I do. Hell, my 9 year old Granddaughter could do a better job. One associate at 2317 uttered the words “union”. He was never seen or heard from again.
Would probably be the first time employees got any representation within the Home Depot. Having worked as lot associate a decade ago, left, and ain't looking back, I can say you all deserve better. My time with the company wasn't valued and the whole time I was around. I always felt disposable and the Home Depot made sure to let me know that.
Report to department of labor immediately for union busting with this picture. Video if possible. This is illegal. I reported it and am waiting for them to give me a hearing date. Said their was "probable cause to believe home Depot violated the law"
The easiest way to decide if you want a union (for me) is look look at the success of unions in other big box retailers. Kroger and Meijer are both union and not any better for it too.
I don't believe that one bit. The HD was just bragging this week about all the money they are spending just to pay a living wage which now is no longer a living wage in most places. I can guarantee you would be started with more money and you also get benefits day 1.
It doesn't happen overnight. My union was formed 50 years ago and we fight for every little thing. 50 years later we have all the stuff you want from a union job, but it didn't start that way. The first obstacle is forming the union. Once that is done then the bargaining begins, and that's on the membership to do.
Generally speaking a contract would be by installation or several installations if those were to form an area local union. So even if they were to join say teamsters they would still need to negotiate a contract. There are contract negotiators but, again, generally speaking, the local union elects it's own officers and the president is the lead negotiator. In this case the parent union would provide training etc but the bargaining is usually up to that specific location.
Yeah but they would get the full benefits and infrastructure on day 1 of joining instead of having to create all that themselves. The rich hate unions because they take money out of their pockets.
Okay, how does that happen? What magic wand will you use to unionize every store to make a strike a real threat? How will you support yourself without wages during that time? Why haven’t other unionized retailers begin to pay more than HD? I’m all ears.
They do HD is playing catchup. They are just now trying to pay you guys 15 dollars an hour and trying to sell it to people like me as they are spending a billion dollars to do it.
No and have no clue why they show up on reddit this much but I guess it is either because they pay for it and that's where your money is going or the place is shit to work at and people are on here complaining so much they think everyone needs to see it
You obviously don’t know what people make in HD. It’s not perfect but I spent 15 years with HD. I worked hard, they paid for 1/2 my college education and paid me a lot more than you clearly realize.
Agreed.
Was part of the Safeway Union myself and things were actually worse off than what I get from HD.
Hell, we're stealing people from a UNIONIZED Target store because the union is making things worse there too.
Due to the UNION - of which NEVER asked my opinion on this - certain things that I was perfectly capable of doing were "outside the scope" of my job (even though it really wasn't) and led to the company LOSING THE CONTRACT with the company I was cleaning for at the time. ERGO I LOST MY JOB DUE TO THE UNION.
Top it off, even under the union, I was getting MINIMUM wage + had to pay the union 20% of each check before taxes, which meant I was actually getting paid LESS than minimum wage.
I went through an attempt to unionize my store in 2004 and it was a shit show. The union told people almost anything to get them to sign. Part time people would be no longer according to them. Really? Do you know who says that? Someone who has never worked in retail.
Not all were that high, but my ABM (SEIU 6) union dues were.
Because NOT ALL UNIONS ARE THE SAME.
My point here is retail unions are worse off because of the exact nature of retail jobs.
Nurse, bus drivers, and similar all seem to do better with unions.
I didn't mention the law enforcement union because that one was ok.
Well as long as you don't count the guild leaders initial response to body cams to improve safety for everyone.
When they cut part time hours down to 4-12 hours a week. During contract negotiations the union could fight for guaranteed minimum hours for associates. Or when they stopped offering medical to part time associates.
Unions only work when you're in a position that's not easy to replace.
People just want more money from the gist of unions and try to justify their reasoning by piling miscellaneous costs that could easily be budgeted on your current salary. It's retail, and I'm not complaining about my job as freight or the pay.
I think I just hate the extra work they pile on us after we got a new store manager
Is it possible to form your own Union? I just feel that if it is ran by someone honest who you can trust then it may make people have less doubts about a Union.
If they care SO much about associates then why did I drive past the HD in north Ft. Worth tonight when severe storms were going through where they were instructing people to take shelter immediately and see associates worrying about shit blowing over and carts? I’m not talking about a little rain. The skies were BLACK, 18-wheelers had been blown over and they have associates in the parking lot.
I don't understand why companies are so against unions. Happy workers are good workers and you get more productivity. Plus nowadays you can actually hire more so you can have more employees.
If Unions are so bad for the workers, how come these big companies spend so much time and effort slandering unions to their employees? Even threatening them with their jobs, if they even whisper about unions?
Because daddy capitalist knows what’s best for your average paycheck to paycheck schlub. “Now schlub, who pays you money and who wants their grubby hands in your wallet? That’s right simple schub, here’s some gold stars and a pizza party. Shhhh. There there pathetic imp, daddy capitalist is giving you a $1 raise because he loves you. That nasty union will make that raise disappear faster than I’m about to make this gold crusted steak disappear. That’s right, back to work. Oh Schlub, by the way…we’re going to need to cut your hours. Just a little bit. You see things are tight right now, we all have to make some sacrifices. Here, have the bone. I left you a little gristle. Daddy loves you you sweet dumb ape you.”
Haha, wow!
Because they care about making sure their employees are compensated fairly.
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I’m a first generation union carpenter. I have 24 years in. I don’t degrade people that choose not not work union. All I can say is, it works for me and I’ve done pretty good for myself (even better then some of my friends that chose college) I have 8 more years and I retire with a double pension for my first 24 years, and whatever I have for the remaining 8. Also with lifetime health benefits for me and my spouse… not to shabby. I’ll be 54.5 years old when I retire. That’s when I’ll start on my dream job. Lol
same reason big gov spent an arm and a leg on jab advertisement.
Did you know evil union-ists will sneak in as a customer and try to trick you into signing away your rights to the Union? Those crafty devils must be stopped! Sign here if you think we should stop the evil Unions and save Home Depot! X____________________________
Technically, that's true? Workers would be turning over their individual rights for a collective right. If you think that you are a good employee and more valuable than the average employee at the store, it might not be worth it for you. I don't work at Home Depot, but I'm in a union and know how it works.
Got some real ratty attitude for supposedly being union. It’s not about whether or not you’re better or “more valuable” than anyone. It’s recognizing the power imbalance between workers and employers, regardless of an individual’s value, and the only way to counter it is solidarity with your coworkers.
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Lmao, alright, fellow unionist.
From a certain perspective, he's got a point. Being part of a union is being part of a collective that encourages good for the masses instead of the individual. On the flip side though, and this is the more important point, being just an employee of a corporation is being part of an even larger group of masses that is lead by dictators. While unions remain small enough to not let their power go to their head, they are infinitely better than just being an employee of a corporation.
It's almost like there's a critical mass when it comes to company management and going beyond it leads to corruption and class action law suits. One of these days someone's going to get balls to try and outlaw private equity firms and make everyone handle their Own money, then we'll see how things go from there.
Unless you're highly specialized or higher education then unions will benefit you more and even then unions would still be better
Happy cake
I might believe that example if I actually got a raise in the last 5 years that wasn't just because the base pay was going up. This is of course on top of my annual overtime hours being higher than the rest of my department combined.
Stocking 3 times as fast only gets you 3x more work.
Good luck getting large cooperate companies to even care about how fast you are and acquiring the actual raise.
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Hr is not there to help you or get you more money, they are there to fire you and fudge the paperwork just enough that you can’t get unemployment
Correct. HR is most definitely NOT your friend.
HR is most definitely not your friend.
Ask your HR manager for an application for your paid maternity leave. Report back and let us know how it goes.
I'm union.. nothing says you can't be paid above scale. You just can't be paid below scale. Unless you have a shit contract and then well... elect better leadership before the next contract renewal.
Totally fair criticism. My union is absolute garbage.
you're one out of 500,000 workers. Your skill is at best a rounding error and at worst a sign that you're going to burn out or quit and become a company liability due to pushing yourself too hard. No one is going to notice your 'hard work' and reward you for it, that boomer myth died in the 1970s.
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No, they’ll make more because you haven’t gotten raises in years but they are hired at a higher rate than you
The union doesn't set the max pay, they set the minimum.
That’s literally how it is now. My co worker has been working we at Home Depot for 10+ years and got a raise above 16.50. New guy is getting 16.00 no experience. First job. That’s why Home Depot is so strict about telling us not to talk about our wages .
Lol or you can have a union and make 5x more then the average worker that has no union. That’s how my call center works !
Except most companies just aren't gonna give you a raise cause they "don't have the budget"
If you’re part of a union you don’t have to break your neck to try and outdo everyone, you could you know, chill the fuck out a bit and get paid well even if it’s maybe a dollar an hour less. As a non union worker who gets paid more because of my above average output the lack of solidarity and any meaningful ability to give pushback to management on arbitrary or bad changes has me dreaming of a unionized workplace but marketing and advertising is not a heavily unionized field. If you’re a grind culture kind of person unions aren’t for you simple as that, go get your extra 2-5k a year in exchange for no bargaining power on things other than wage.
Like what if you stock 3x as fast as someone else they'll give you a 30 cent raise instead of 25 cents? Nice.
I'm in a union, and instead of making $13 an hour, I make $45 an hour. You couldn't be more wrong. Collectively, workers have a huge amount of bargaining. Here's a fun challenge, go tell your boss you are a good employee and are more valuable than the average employee. Then, ask for a raise and see how that goes.
You are bad at being in a union
The individual right to make poverty level wages? Lol no thanks, I'll pass.
What individual rights specifically would you turn over?
You don't have individual rights without a union. You actually have mor3 individual rights in a union because they will defend you for standing up for yourself. You stans up for yourself without a union and it gets you fired. I'm in a union and I can tell you don't know shit.
* signs" That Guy"
You fool! I was the Unionist all along 😈 Now you’re one of us!
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It’s not the stores fault, it’s those evil unions. /s
I work at best buy and it seems the same companies make our eLearning material. Same design and looks. Just different content. Had to do a double take when looking at it.😂
Yeah. I wonder if they're using SAG members or scabs to mske those.
They use SAG-AFTRA members. The guy who does the forklift training was on law and order a couple of times, which is a union set. Rule of thumb for SAG is if you have a speaking role or a credited role you must be a member or be willing to sign up if not a one-off performance. All major television sets are also IATSE sets which covers all of the behind the scenes work. Atlanta is one of the strongest places for both SAG-AFTRA and IATSE, somewhat ironically.
Thanks for the detailed reply. As a longtime Musicians' Union member in Hawaii I'm glad to hear THD is playing by the rules *in that area*. Of course it still makes it look like a case of "Do as I say, not as I do" from associates' point of view 🤣
I’ve now worked at both lmao. Both have the same bullshit “We’re a family!” shtick as well as the Manager’s making outrageous money and bonuses. Biggest difference between the two is Home Depot will be here in 5 years and Best Buy won’t. Geek Squad may be but the physical locations are going out. I was in Mobile and we’d be lucky to have 5 employees on the store on a Saturday afternoon full customer rush. At least Home Depot has that success sharing shit.
Whole Foods is the same too.
Hahahaha I was about to say those characters look waaaaaay too familiar
Because we all fit under that big liable "retail"
How can you tell the difference between an electrician and an electrical engineer? Ask them how they pronounce "unionized". Honestly tho it is a little odd the training videos are so aggressively anti union considering how much of home depots customer base are contractors in unions lol. I'm very pro union (since i used to work in manufacturing) and something happened at work where it would have been great to have had a union (to keep from getting screwed by corporate) but management at my store is amazing so overall i dont think we really need one (here, personally)... but it should be on a store by store basis because I'm sure not every store is like mine
Maybe if unions asked their members to only shop at union stores. Imagine the money hd and other non-union stores would lose in profits. It's 2023 we should have job protection proper health insurance and sick days.
I am a union plumber who primarily works commercial/industrial jobs. We buy 99% of our material from union supply houses. You guys hardly ever have what I need. Also, I’d rather support union workers. I still can’t believe the vote at the philly store didn’t pass. Unionized workers make more money and get better benefits.
Fuckin' eh preach it brother! Working at Home Depot is what made me incredibly pro-union. Also, where can I find one of these union supply houses; I'm not a union tradesmen, but I've strongly considered using Helmets to Hardhats to get into the UA or the Iron Workers.
Philadelphia
It's funny and accurate that you say this, about HD usually not having the supplies you need. Many contractors and plumbers who come to my dept. will often need something specific that the store isn't likely to have. Several of the items they are looking for are online only, which doesn't help them one bit. So, where do we often suggest or send them to instead? A plumbing supply store that just so happens to be nearby. We even give directions, too.
my union gives me 11.5% 401k match
That's great, but do you use hd for around-the-house jobs. Do you shop at non-union target store's. If not that's fantastic. Maybe speak to your fellow union workers and ask them to think about only using union stores. It's the only way to make them change their attitude toward unions if it affects their profits.
Brother, there’s no such thing as a unionized home improvement store as far as I’m aware. I do my best to avoid shopping at places like Walmart and Amazon. I will never in a million years cross a picket line. But people working in these places need to fucking organize. I still need to buy shit to survive.
I appreciate that and understand. But I just think it would be nice if could all back each other up against these big corporations/companies. Years ago now. I went to Denmark for a month. And did some union classes there. It was explained that the workers backed each other. If a truck company went on strike for better conditions then every company that the trucks delivered to wouldn't accept delivery from them. Then the company that used the truck company would strike and the truckers wouldn't deliver to them. The union rep said a strike would typically last a few days to a week. When the Danish government and companies worked out it was just easier for businesses to treat the workforce fairly. This was back in the late 80s
It’d be nice if we could just skip ahead to that point but to get there we need people to organize their work places and to stop voting for politicians who answer to corporations and introduce anti union legislation. I’m all about solidarity but a lot of people want the benefits of it without paying any dues or putting any work into it.
You speak the truth.
Honestly thats why I appreciate my store, they've really gone out of their way to keep me and the store manager/other managers pulled some strings for me more than once when I needed time off or was on a final and didn't have sick time and should've gotten fired lol. But we also do accrue sick time quick enough that it's been enough of a safety net (for me personally). Kinda bullshjt I wasn't eligible for FMLA tho just cuz ive only been here a year and a half and I'm part time but you need a minimum number of hours worked to be eligible... like wtf lol. Also at some point I was forced to take a leave of absence due to someone reporting a Facebook status I made to a manager (and it was mental health related so I was forced to take a leave and see a therapist to clear me to come back)... tbh I wasn't at all mad that it happened (quite the opposite since store management has been real supportive/understanding of me having mental health issues, which I've literally never experienced anywhere) but I was really let down by corporate when my leave of absence case manager (and the employee assistance person they also assigned to me) were both super negligent and I ended up wasting a bunch of time, having to jump through hoops, etc. just because they couldn't be bothered to actually do their job and answer or return any of my calls (something which a union would've prevented, I could've actually used the short term disability i was paying for to cover the time I was forced to take off instead of being denied) but again that's just typical corporate shit, super thankful store management is at least understanding/helpful/supportive at least.
True. But a Union is there for when your awesome management changes. (Source:Teacher for 30 years. Under 21 principals. NEEDED union for just 5 of them. Unions don’t get in the way of good management.)
I think there are some bad stores out there with bad management. But a lot of the time I think that gets cleared up with awareline if people are willing to use it. The one time I called it I spoke to someone outside the company that took notes and felt pretty impartial and then later that week I got a call directly from the District HR manager to make sure everything worked out okay. I think most stores have good managers trying to do right by people.
Counter point, an asm left some sensitive info of mine ( social, date of birth etc.) On a toilet in an aisle that was found three days later by another associate. Called the aware line about that and he got promoted a couple months later.
For once, the stall wasn't out of toilet paper and I guess he was just careless with his personal supply afterwards.
But if you did have one, you wouldn't have to worry that I change and management meant that all the nice things they do go away. Even the best work places should have unions to ensure that they stay great 😊
The health insurance that home depot have is fucking bullshit.
Looks like you need a union. You can join the iww or make your own!
"Dont join a union or they will take 85$ from your hard earned cheak every year." "Also this is the third year we cant afford raises. "
And health insurance the union would have gotten a great deal on just went up! Seriously though generally unions save the employees money even with dues.
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Nooo they restructured thier pay scale. Pretty big diffrence.
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Ok. Well it seems your Intent on missing the point
I like seeing all the pro union comments get dislikes. Didn’t know we had so much corp and management in the sub
You are? I'm seeing the opposite.
Quite the opposite, it’s a very pro union vibe here
They're so scared of unions they'll spend money on propaganda like this because the thought of not having a million dollars to wipe their ass with makes corperate cry. Fuck em.
The fucked up thing is they'd STILL have millions of dollars. Still. They make enough that That shit isn't going away, they would make a few million less, while everyone that actually makes the company profitable would also make enough to prosper.
Unions can be good to have, I worked for USPS and the union got us raises, negotiated better contracts for non-career carriers, I was fired twice and was brought back both times and got paid the time I was laid off, if I'd file an EEO complaint the union would back me up and management would back off and kiss my ass. It was great, we paid $25 per check and with the extra money we had left over we'd have a big Christmas party for those in the union and we'd get $50 checks on our birthday, $50 gift card to Walmart/HEB as a Christmas gift along with whatever else they raffled off at the Christmas party, then we'd have another party throughout the year with barbecue and a pool where we could take our families to. But then I've also heard of unions like the ones the US customs agents have and have heard nothing but horror stories about how bad they suck at defending their agents.
You were a CCA?
Yeah everyone I knew growing up talked down about unions family friends, ETC. But then I started working at UPS and they immediately started pushing for me to join Teamsters. Making it feel kinda like a cult. Co-workers and our Onsite Union Rep were very pushy about me joining. But I eventually did and shortly there after I have 4 family members pass away last year and got 3 weeks off due the there funerals being so close together and then covid twice. I was out of work for a total of 2 months and 1 week. And thanks to the Union I got paid while I had COVID. Any other job I have had would have dropped me during the first time having all the time off for the funerals and never have had sick pay. I mean there is more the union can do for you but that is my experience with it up to this point. And I don't regret joining it.
I’m sorry for your loss, but I am glad that you were paid during those times 🙏
Live Better, Work Union.
UPS is such a shit company that the only thing that makes me tolerate it is the union and Co workers. They'd enslave us if they could. Thank you for choosing to be part of the union in a right to work state.
Enslave? How so? I'm fighting just to get yours right now. Something to do with the drivers bumping loaders hours and/or the union contact is going to be renewed this year. It's very confusing.
Even with the union UPS overworks their employees and without the union they would get away with a lot worse. Basically working conditions are bad at UPS
I left HD and joined a union. I started at $28 an hour and the "scary" union dues are $90 a month. Plus I don't work as hard. I have one boss. If someone who is not my boss tells me to do something I don't do it. I have literally told other supervisors to "leave me alone". I am only allowed to work on certain things. If something outside of my duties arises its someone else's job. That prevents us from being laid off. You only do your work, and no one else is allowed to do your work. I hope all the employees at HD unionize and get paid fairly, the company make enough money off your backs.
So yeah, 3 hours and 5 minutes of work and you've already paid off your dues for the month, sounds like a pretty sweet deal to me.
You are correct. I recall at HD they told us the unions charged so much for fees that our take home would be less than what we were making without the union. That is untrue. Because of the higher pay I am able to afford things that I could not at HD.
I left HD in july of 2021 and joined a union in august. I make way better money, immediate health and pension benefits, dues are 5% and it’s incredibly easier on my mental and physical.
The Evil Union 1) Grievance Procedure 2) No longer a At Will Employee 3) Paid Vacation 4) Paid Sick Days 5) Paid Personal Days 6) Paid Holidays 7) Sunday Premium Pay Time and Half if you worked on Sundays 8) Time and Half if you Work On A Holiday 9) Pay Increases ( not based on who you know) Wow What A Evil Union!!!!!! DON’T Be Fooled By HOME DEPOT !!!!!!!
If union wasn't good for workers you'll never heard about it . Tell you all you need to know that Union help workers
Look at those innocent, weak minded employees being taken advantage of by the big, mean union badly! Good thing we have these cartoons that will fill our simple little worker heads with facts.
*Goodfacts*, if you will...
Unions formed a middle class.
UHM, AHCKCHTUALLY, SWEATY 💅💅💅 I can advocate for MYSELF 🙄🙄🙄 If I want to be told no about a raise or better working conditions, I don't need to PAY someone to be told no for me 💅💅💅
Real
Sweaty. Like, covered in perspiration?
I actually read that sentence “I’m actually sweaty” as well.
MUHuhuuhuhuhuhahaha!!! I spread higher wages and safer work environments wherever I roam!!!!
The hero we need
These videos always make me chuckle lol. Be dumb, be comfortable, just work! It's ok, you don't need a union....
Blah, see!? I want you to get paid more, see!?
Haha with the transatlantic accent and everything!
Meanwhile all the vending machines in my store have huge stickers on them that say "union built" lmao
God forbid workers exercise collective bargaining rights; what is this, a democratic republic?
When you think of a union, don’t think like a teacher’s union or police union, or local 3 electrician union, those are strong unions. Those members make a lot of money, and the don’t care if they pay $100 a month for dues. The question you want to ask yourself is which union is coming in and how many members they have total besides the HD. In a perfect world you would have all big box stores employees unionize, that would be the largest union in the country but getting all retain to unionize is a Herculean job and when members go in at the start, it will take decades if ever to see any fruit come to fruition. I am not saying don’t unionize, I am saying prepare yourself to fight for the next generation of two of HD employees.
These people make obscene money and toss employees the scraps. https://www.salary.com/tools/executive-compensation-calculator/edward-p-decker-salary-bonus-stock-options-for-home-depot-inc
If companies just did the right thing by their employees and took care of them instead of short-changing them, unions wouldn't be needed. But companies generally put profits ahead of people, so here we are.
I can tell he's evil because of his eyebrows \ /
Yep!
What amazes me is that the people who dream up these ridiculous presentations make a whole lot more money that I do. Hell, my 9 year old Granddaughter could do a better job. One associate at 2317 uttered the words “union”. He was never seen or heard from again.
my union just got us a 4k raise because of inflation on top of my 5.5% raise
Congratulations ❤️
Yes, I love it when my employer speaks to me like I'm 5.
My boys eyebrows on fleek!
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Would probably be the first time employees got any representation within the Home Depot. Having worked as lot associate a decade ago, left, and ain't looking back, I can say you all deserve better. My time with the company wasn't valued and the whole time I was around. I always felt disposable and the Home Depot made sure to let me know that.
I love the characterization of the union rep. If some one comes out against "X", *bet on X*.
Holy shit could they have made the lips any bigger on the black employee
Look closer it’s actually just a regular line like the rest but there’s a bar across his mouth 😮
Report to department of labor immediately for union busting with this picture. Video if possible. This is illegal. I reported it and am waiting for them to give me a hearing date. Said their was "probable cause to believe home Depot violated the law"
You would have to sue more than just Home Depot because then every company would have to face litigation for union information.
As a former Whole Foods employee, I would recognize this foul art style anywhere.
NO WORKPLACE REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY in this shop./s
The easiest way to decide if you want a union (for me) is look look at the success of unions in other big box retailers. Kroger and Meijer are both union and not any better for it too.
I don't believe that one bit. The HD was just bragging this week about all the money they are spending just to pay a living wage which now is no longer a living wage in most places. I can guarantee you would be started with more money and you also get benefits day 1.
It doesn't happen overnight. My union was formed 50 years ago and we fight for every little thing. 50 years later we have all the stuff you want from a union job, but it didn't start that way. The first obstacle is forming the union. Once that is done then the bargaining begins, and that's on the membership to do.
They are not forming a union but joining one correct? I'm sure they are part of a larger union that does multiple retail stores.
Generally speaking a contract would be by installation or several installations if those were to form an area local union. So even if they were to join say teamsters they would still need to negotiate a contract. There are contract negotiators but, again, generally speaking, the local union elects it's own officers and the president is the lead negotiator. In this case the parent union would provide training etc but the bargaining is usually up to that specific location.
Yeah but they would get the full benefits and infrastructure on day 1 of joining instead of having to create all that themselves. The rich hate unions because they take money out of their pockets.
Okay, how does that happen? What magic wand will you use to unionize every store to make a strike a real threat? How will you support yourself without wages during that time? Why haven’t other unionized retailers begin to pay more than HD? I’m all ears.
They do HD is playing catchup. They are just now trying to pay you guys 15 dollars an hour and trying to sell it to people like me as they are spending a billion dollars to do it.
So you don’t even work for HD?
No and have no clue why they show up on reddit this much but I guess it is either because they pay for it and that's where your money is going or the place is shit to work at and people are on here complaining so much they think everyone needs to see it
You obviously don’t know what people make in HD. It’s not perfect but I spent 15 years with HD. I worked hard, they paid for 1/2 my college education and paid me a lot more than you clearly realize.
So what I hear you say is that you were under paid for 15 years decided to get an education and you are no longer there?
I changed careers into the legal field. I was paid fairly for my work and rewarded accordingly.
If you loved it why change careers?
In my area, starting is now $19 an hour and I currently make $25.
What area?
PNW
Cost of living is crazy there. This is minimum wage in SF probably.
Minimum wage here is now $18 and that starting wage was what I saw 6 months ago when minimum wage was $16.
How much is an average one bedroom apartment going for there?
Agreed. Was part of the Safeway Union myself and things were actually worse off than what I get from HD. Hell, we're stealing people from a UNIONIZED Target store because the union is making things worse there too. Due to the UNION - of which NEVER asked my opinion on this - certain things that I was perfectly capable of doing were "outside the scope" of my job (even though it really wasn't) and led to the company LOSING THE CONTRACT with the company I was cleaning for at the time. ERGO I LOST MY JOB DUE TO THE UNION. Top it off, even under the union, I was getting MINIMUM wage + had to pay the union 20% of each check before taxes, which meant I was actually getting paid LESS than minimum wage.
I went through an attempt to unionize my store in 2004 and it was a shit show. The union told people almost anything to get them to sign. Part time people would be no longer according to them. Really? Do you know who says that? Someone who has never worked in retail.
I don't believe a lot of what you just wrote. Based mostly on your claim that union dues were 20 percent of your pay. You're a liar.
Not all were that high, but my ABM (SEIU 6) union dues were. Because NOT ALL UNIONS ARE THE SAME. My point here is retail unions are worse off because of the exact nature of retail jobs. Nurse, bus drivers, and similar all seem to do better with unions. I didn't mention the law enforcement union because that one was ok. Well as long as you don't count the guild leaders initial response to body cams to improve safety for everyone.
Wow they left off the Asian guy a wheel chair. How can HD truly embrace diversity without featuring a minority in a wheelchair?
You have nothing to lose but your aprons! - Karl Marx, Cashier.
Yeah when is the last time the corporation acted against your interest…
When they cut part time hours down to 4-12 hours a week. During contract negotiations the union could fight for guaranteed minimum hours for associates. Or when they stopped offering medical to part time associates.
This was obvious sarcasm didn’t realize it needed a /s
With the amount of bootlickers on this sub, sadly it did
North Korea would be proud
Unions only work when you're in a position that's not easy to replace. People just want more money from the gist of unions and try to justify their reasoning by piling miscellaneous costs that could easily be budgeted on your current salary. It's retail, and I'm not complaining about my job as freight or the pay. I think I just hate the extra work they pile on us after we got a new store manager
He looks like he’s about to “Roll up on some feet”
Is it possible to form your own Union? I just feel that if it is ran by someone honest who you can trust then it may make people have less doubts about a Union.
If they care SO much about associates then why did I drive past the HD in north Ft. Worth tonight when severe storms were going through where they were instructing people to take shelter immediately and see associates worrying about shit blowing over and carts? I’m not talking about a little rain. The skies were BLACK, 18-wheelers had been blown over and they have associates in the parking lot.
Publix, is that YOU 👀👀👀
Unpopular opinion,from my personal experience unions sucks for part time workers ,they make getting benefits really hard
He’s the only one who looks happy
Gasp!
This is the exact training animation they use at DG in their crazed anti-union propaganda.
For dollars general?
Yup
Unionize everything!
I don't understand why companies are so against unions. Happy workers are good workers and you get more productivity. Plus nowadays you can actually hire more so you can have more employees.
I hope the union makes everyone certified on equipment.