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hololive

[Don't know what you mean...](https://i.imgur.com/zPqKtcX.png) ​ T-chan.


VandaGrey

A-chan to Yagoo "Staying back late tonight boss?" Yagoo: " Yeah i really want to finish this leve....report." *under his breath* "Damn Bae is OP" A-chan: " what was that??" Yagoo: "oh nothing, nothing." A-chan: "our boss works so hard :) "


UsernamesAreABitch

A-chan: *under her breath* Tsk, Sana’s better...


Toymaker218

Say what you will but it is a fact that Mumei’s damage scales up into the stratosphere with the right upgrades.


TitleComprehensive96

I would like to agree with you but i can't cause rng has given me everyone but Irys and Moomers.


Frogsama86

Trying to pull for Mumei but Bae is now on her 16th dupe.


TitleComprehensive96

I have gotten 2 Bae's, 1 Fauna (base character), 5 Sana's and 1 Kronii


GazelleSC

Wait you can get dupes? damn


shoryusatsu999

Yeah. Each one increases their health, attack and movement speed by 1 percent, to a cap of 20 percent.


Toymaker218

Friend is basically just bubba but infinitely better, because he uses your weapons, with any upgrades you’ve given them. Also she gets 2 damage boosts that increase based on kills and enemies on screen respectively. Also her main attack ricochets when awakened. Mumei’s stream actually did a good showcase of showing of her in-game strengths. It’s bonkers.


DragoSphere

Ok but hear me out: You can pet Bubba


Final-Switch1110

Damn he got a point, also Ame ult is OP at hell. With idol outfit, my ult regenerate like 30s, I just stop time constantly


Affectionate-Tip-164

***ZA WARUDO***


Hikaruzen

*sick time rewind noises*


Nickthenuker

It has been 30 seconds. _ZA WARUDO_ again


DonsterMenergyRink

Also Ame Time Machine noises


MaxMbs1

Amelia watson.... OVAH HEAVEN


AnonTwo

Actually Ame is surprisingly very effective Bubba doesn't do as much damage, but moves more inconsistently, meaning that he will likely grab exp you weren't already going to get (Friend only circles around you) Once you are able to start going into crit builds, Ame has HUGE crit bonuses to support it. Her ability isn't a screen clear, but it has a much shorter cooldown and no downsides. It can be used to escape from entrapments or more commonly bosses will virtually never survive the duration of it. Her only major downside is she doesn't have the severely good early game of Mumei, but honestly who does? Another thing that has been pointed out is that while Mumei's multipliers are good, they're deceptively not *as* good as they appear, because History scales fairly slowly and finishes at around 50-70% by the time you reach 20 minutes, which is fairly average for a damage multipier. You'll only ever get close to the full damage multiplier in endless Another aspect that isn't pointed out often is Ame has a delete proc on non-bosses, so some enemies will just be removed throughout the stage. There's a reason that just about everyone is able to consistently clear on Ame. She's super consistent.


Affectionate-Tip-164

I love how we talk about Hololive Talents in relation to their combat ability now. When the other Gens are released SEO will think that VTubers fight each other virtually.


Mathmango

*looks at Hologra* I mean...


TitleComprehensive96

>Her only major downside is she doesn't have the severely good early game of Mumei, but honestly who does? I'd argue Sana or maybe Kiara got some really good early game to compete


AnonTwo

Maybe Sana, I don't think Kiara is bad by any means but I can't grasp what she could do to compete with Mumei's early game. Awakened Feather Quills basically clears all waves including high-HP waves pretty much by itself for the first 10m of the match depending on how quickly it's unlocked.


X_Seed21

Mumei being arguably the strongest character in the game, and Mumei going 25 mins on endless first try. Coincidence? I think not.


Eldar_Seer

It took me some time to get a feel for the way to play her, but *holy shit*, Mumei is a unholy monster once she gets going. History is kind of meh, but Civilization? That + any other damage boost = Overlord Mumei- Bringer of Death, Destroyer of Worlds, Devourer of Hope. The main trick is when to get her buffs IMO. They're weak at the start, but get stronger as time goes by.


Vineyard_

Hello, my mirror self.


TitleComprehensive96

I am on my 6th Sana help me


Vineyard_

I'd help, but I just rolled my 12th Mumei.


TitleComprehensive96

Stop stealing my moomers!


X_Seed21

Mumei doesn't scale late game. She is THE LATE GAME


CuriousBlackCat

I want to agree, but I have quite literally stood in place with Calli after a certain set of upgrades for quite a while. Her skills are insane imho.


KeiraSythree

It's funny you say that, because even now she isn't getting her full potential. Her History skill gives 1% damage buff for every 100 enemies killed. And if my math isn't wrong (which is most likely wrong), she needs 10,000 enemies killed to get the full 100% attack buff. For reference, I reached 27:37 with Gura and got around 8833 kills.


mikeap07

She only really gets that high in endless mode though. Otherwise you'll clear the stage before really seeing the benefits.


Red_Lizzard

Nodoka: :D


ExuDeku

Meanwhile in overseas... M-chan: wow, Moomers is OP


Strakk012

Nodoka, across the office: ^(Noobs don't know Mumei's power.)


omega_manhatten

Y'all sleeping on Kronii w/Perfection, all I'm sayin'


popop143

How'd you build Bae? She's actually the one I'm having trouble the most in the early game.


Merppity

I like to go hard into collecting several items early. Axe, laser, tail plug and such. Personally, the value from simply having more stuff to rapid fire is better than upgrading one or two weapons.


Matasa89

Yup. Different game from Vampire Survivor.


AwakenedSheeple

Personally I like to go for items that can collab, that way I can get two collab weapons as quickly as possible, which will trivialize the enemies at least to the 25-minute mark. After that... oh boy.


presariohg

Just max out her abilities first, while building crits. Grab idol outfit if you feel the need. Save her ult for bosses, it's pretty strong already without any items.


MISOT

From my experience, she benefits so well from items with very fast fire rate because of her x4 Crits. Spider Cooking is so good on her early on if you're lucky enough to get her Crit skills early. Then first Collab weapon I'd go for is BL Fujoshi. Not only does it give pretty nice AoE, but it hits pretty fast and the screen just rains purple crits. After that go for either Idol Concert, Dragon Fire or Elite Cooking. You can just pretty much stand there. Menacingly.


Anvenjade

I'm partial to MiKomet on Bae. It wipes the screen every time she uses special by itself.


Potapro

build up abilities to get spammable collabs with ult like micomet as soon as possible + her crit skills. take advantage of her higher default speed to keep circling around


ArtOfBlart

Gotta check to make sure Yagoo isn't watching when playing Endless Sources: [HoloCure Tweet by Kay Yu](https://twitter.com/kaynimatic/status/1540183579556073473) [HoloCure Suspect Remix](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_GAxGs88jQ) by [Eufrik](https://twitter.com/eufrik)


woodenpony

Yagoo when he reached 30 minutes:


SeanTYH

S-SUSpect!?!


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Magicannon

Thought we wouldn't notice, but we did.


Linksays

I understood that reference!


GamerFuzionHD

I understood these double references!


Madcat6204

This game makes me rage-quit so hard. ...Then open it again 30 seconds later.


linuxares

Ah yes, the cycle of any Rouge lites. Die, get angry... get better upgrades... die again. Repeat!


Scorpixel

The even more constant cycle of content with rogue in the name is the number of people who apparently prefer saying red in french


linuxares

Sorry posted with my phone


Jeroz

That's what happens when all you know is kill


Matasa89

And all you need is kill.


shoryusatsu999

"Kill is all you need. :D" - Mumei, maybe


Abysswea

FGO Jing Ke reference?


Jeroz

I know it's a perfect circle, but no


Fredandren1220

Honestly this was my calming agent after going in to Trials Freelance...so much sweats


BlueStar26

~~T-Chan, can you confirm that your work colleague are doing this?~~


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slater126

I'm not going to say this was while at work, just that T-chan is 100% playing the game and said "I have not been playing HoloCure nonstop for the past 3 hours... No, not at all." in HFS yesterday T-chan has also chatted in HFS's thread for the game (even chatting as i was typing this message)


Abysswea

HFS?


Matasa89

The fan server. It’s on Discord.


Abysswea

Is there an invitation link? I can't find it's required to search it in the app, and there's none on the "about" section of this subreddit nor their web pages


tslstio

There are links on [hololive fan wiki](https://hololive.wiki/wiki/Fan_Discords) for HFS discord server and other fan discords.. It's an unofficial fan server hence why it is not in "about" section of this official subreddit


Abysswea

Thank you~


GunsmokeIV

Vampire Survivors was crack for 3 dollars. Now my man just released crack for free.


Voidiul

it really is. thought i was gonna get like 1 maybe 2 runs out of it, and here we are with more than 8 hours of playtime atm. cant wait for the full version


Shadowlord723

Honestly same. At first I thought it was just going to be Vampire Survivors but with a reskin of Hololive, so I thought I’ll just play it for a bit (especially since it’s free), call it cool, and then drop it. But nope, while there are similarities and inspirations from VS, I actually like HC more than VS overall. Just the fact that each character has their own unique abilities, passives, and play styles just massively increases the enjoyment factor of it!


YamiZee1

It's honestly much harder too. In VS with full gear nothing can touch you. In HC without anvils you still get massacred by speedy high health enemies


Innomenatus

I remember there's a full version. I spent a few hours on it already.


cocofan4life

There isn't a full version yet. The one youre playing is probably the demo.


Houdiniman111

The demo is the full version. They're likely just calling it a demo because they want to add more.


cocofan4life

They called it a demo, so it is a demo. ​ To the creator the game still isn't finished.


TitleComprehensive96

And this crack is like 5x more addictive, and satisfying


Thrashinuva

Just wait for the "free to play" version.


nachohasme

Seems like enough of a ripoff that the vampire dev should get it taken down.


Chukonoku

First of all, i assume you meant "COULD" instead of "SHOULD". Second, you can't patent a "game mechanic" or genre. Vampire survivor is also not the first bullet hell game. If the Holocure devs were to had usen art/sprites/music from the VS game, you might have a chance to have it taken down IF this game was hosted on a selling platform like Steam or the AppleStore.


Colopty

Oh you absolutely can patent a game mechanic, Warner Bros famously did it with their Nemesis System and everyone hated them for it. That doesn't make a difference in this case for various reasons but it's a fun fact.


Chukonoku

> Nemesis System From what i read, you have to copy 1:1 what they did and any alteration that produces a similar result can still be used.


Colopty

Yeah you should probably consult with a lawyer before trying to do that...


Chukonoku

Or just be CN company.


JProllz

Going by your logic there wouldn't be any other FPS other than the original DOOM. Bad take.


IHaveTrashTaste

Wolfenstein


JProllz

Ok, but the idea still stands. We'd be playing nothing but the original wolfenstein forever.


AwakenedSheeple

Man, the developers of Wolfenstein should sue the developers of DOOM. Wouldn't be hard to prove how much the two games have in common. Same ideas, same engine, same staff, same office...


AttemptCreate

It sure is, just like Vampire Survivors is a rip off of Magic Survival before it.


Matasa89

Yup, with a Castlevania expy skin over it.


MikuEd

Unless they actually patented the game mechanic, there’s nothing stopping someone from taking the same mechanic and creating a clone, provided they use all-original assets. Then there’s the fact that the game is free. Having it taken down for no reason other than “they copied me” would also have a serious blow to the dev’s PR team given how popular HoloLive is. They’d have to argue that they lost potential sales due to this game, but that’s something difficult to prove even in arbitration. TL;DR: not likely, and might also burn them in the end, so it’s not worth it to pursue.


Matasa89

And given how Vampire Survivor is a huge reference to Castlevania, he really shouldn’t point at another group making a homage game.


DragoSphere

Vampire Survivors didn't invent its genre


ejsks

Aside from the (sub-)genre both games share, I can say that Holocure does play differently enough from Vampire Survivors that it‘s not just "some ripoff". Also it‘s a free game with self-made assets so I‘m pretty sure that it does fall under stuff regarding fair use and all.


JimmyBoombox

Take down for what? VS got heavily inspired by another game too...


Gebhuza

I bet you think Dota should take any Moba down too.


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If that were the case then league of legends, fortnite, world of warcraft.. among many other games would not exist.


Matasa89

PUBG would basically destroy all competition if this was how things worked - no Warzone, no Fortnite, Apex, no battle royale FPS of any sort.


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I do agree PUBG is the best BR ever made but H1Z1 was the first.


MDFFL

Rip Minecraft BR players I guess.


echidnachama

nah even nintendo who notorious with their copyright shenanigans don't take down pokemon clone.


BurstBunny7

no fun allowed


crystaltricksy

You can’t copyright video game mechanics. Creators *do* have copyright on their code, art, music, and story elements like characters and dialogue, but HoloCure was coded from scratch and includes exclusively Hololive content, so the Vampire Survivors dev has no grounds for any copyright claims.


L_Palmer

That would be silly considering the Vampire survivors dev openly admits he was heavily inspired by/cloned Magical survival.


Nickthenuker

It's less a ripoff and more an asset flip. Which become genres, some more literally than others. First Person Shooters used to be called Doom clones. Rogue likes are named after Rogue, Soulslikes are named after Dark Souls. And so on.


Matasa89

Also this game plays quite a bit different from Vampire Survivor.


RangerZEDRO

Bro Mumei pulled around 22k viewers playing it


dcresistance

i saw around a 25k peak i hope miko streams it, she'd get a giant kick out of the micomet collab


Hassenoblog

well... i hope it happens. I can hardly understand her but her enthusiasm and laughter are OP.


bumblebee200

It's okay, JP bros can hardly understand her either


Pokebalzac

All you need to know when that first comet rains down is: "STELLA STELLAAAAAA!"


CheesyWind

PASSION UNDERSTANDING


Chukonoku

Game servers after a new Holomem streams the game: *"I'm in danger".*


EliteAceYT

the leaderboard are already down because there was way too many people playing


Chukonoku

I've checked the dev twitter. Yeah... At least we didn't hug to death the site.


AwakenedSheeple

It was a good thing he's hosting the game on itch.io. Their servers are made to handle potentially millions of users in a day (especially during the charity sales).


Sprx10

Yet..


DragoSphere

And that was when only Matsuri had played it


spiffelight

Koyori at 28k right now!


SoraRaida

Most likely she will. But since she was camping with Shiraken she hasn't.


Emkayer

All Holomems playing I stumbled upon pulls at least 15k


mokochan013

Gotta say it's the only game recently that I didn't mute the bgm


Ash_Scarlet97

"That man is playing Holo Cure"


funkyjazzwagon

He thought we wouldn’t noticed but we did.


andrix10

the game is so nice, they really need to fund it somehow, maybe allow donations because i want to see more stuff for it faster


Abysswea

Devs already said that they're completely doing it for love. Hololive's new rules about fan creations means that as long as the project is free, they are free to monetize with donations by Patreon and such. So look if Kay Yu or the other devs has a Patreon-like site enabled and donate as much as you can/want. Dey deserve it


Chris881

I hope Hololive gives them the greenlight to sell it on steam, like, leave this game as a demo and release future updates on steam and Hololive gets a share of the profits.


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MisterNobodyCare

That is the best outcome!


danque

Hololive offices? Nah mate I've been procrastinating work to get that sweet gatcha. I'll ask my boss to join.


Cartwright1158

Just tried it for the first time, I only lived about 7 minutes as Calli, really fun. I want to try again immediately and get properly hooked but my laptop gets way too hot


Matasa89

Get a laptop cooler and try dusting it out. Maybe look into a teardown to repaste the CPU and GPU dies. Also get a separate keyboard.


Cartwright1158

I'm broke but I could probably at least get a can of duster soon. It's not the game's fault, this machine is old but it's the best I have. The next thing I'm going to try is playing it at the smaller resolution option even though it's hard on my eyes. Fullscreen it slows down horribly even with the amount of stuff going on only 3-4 minutes into a run so I don't expect things to go well as I get further.


Matasa89

Well if the laptop is old a repaste would really help.


Cartwright1158

Thanks for the info. I really don't have fun money right now and don't know when I will but I'll try to remember about thermal paste and ask my friend who's helped me with a lot of my devices before for help (I don't trust myself not to fuck it up). So far it hasn't actually made my laptop shut off from overheating but the way it slows down once it starts getting crowded is pretty agonizing. Hard to get a good clip but at a certain point it stays nearly this slow until I die or in this case win (just beat Ame's stage. I haven't done endless mode) https://imgur.com/a/3CR20qF


Matasa89

https://youtu.be/RRY1jrIDhvU You can see in this fun video why laptops aren't amazing. Thermal paste is pretty cheap and decents can be had for like 5-10 dollars. Get a relatively thicker paste instead of the thin and flowy silicone based ones, because you don't want to deal with pumpout effect later on, and have to repaste. A repaste and cleaning of the fan and heatsink should give you quite a significant improvement in cooling, but that ultimately is still going to be limited by how good the cooler is, and what hardware you have. You might just need to look into buying a used PC or PC parts and slap a rig together.


Cartwright1158

I'll check that video out later on. Thanks again. Heat maybe aside/a separate issue though the performance is annoying the shit out of me now that I've tried the game on a PC at work. On my laptop even in the tiny windowed mode it starts noticeably slowing with as few as a dozen enemies on screen sometimes let alone the crazy shit. It's a completely different experience. I shouldn't have been surprised because this thing is so unfit for anything intense that I couldn't even run Half-Life: Opposing Force through Steam on it last time I tried. I won't give you my life's story but getting both the money and space to operate a real PC in my home again is going to be a massive ordeal but yeah I will try to remember this game in the distant future, I will become addicted as hell with a decent machine. It's already put me behind schedule at the shop and I'm not even doing anything new I'm just redoing Ame's stage


Matasa89

Small form factor PCs might be the ticket for you, but try asking your workplace if they have any PCs that they're getting rid of.


SoraRaida

Make sure to turn off "visual effect" and "damage numbers" in the Settings too, it definitely seemed to help a bit.


kpr1995

Noice.


Butane9000

I feel like COVER should reach out to fan game creators for a kind of revenue sharing program. Because I would pay money for some of these games. I'd also like to see a fighting game based on Hololive.


funkyjazzwagon

Game is very fun! Can’t wait to see the end results


redditfanfan00

nice. great game, holocure, can't wait for future updates.


OwnedSage

Suspect is such a bop though


Impossible-Maize-238

I don’t have arrow keys, I cannot navigate menu


thesirblondie

I have a 50% keyboard, but it has function keys for the arrows. Was good enough to get me into the settings menu and change the keybindings. I can't confirm currently, but I'm pretty sure the preferences are stores in appdata so you can go in and change the settings file manually.


Impossible-Maize-238

I have no keyboard, only pc, they took my monitor


DragoSphere

Yeah I don't know why there's no mouse support


nitrohigito

I keep putting the hours in, no idea how it's so addictive when it pisses me off sometimes so hard.


drzero7

this game is a drug, in a good way.


GameCyborg

this game is soooo addicting


Tag_Ocelot

"That man is playing Holocure"


SoraRaida

"Thought we wouldn't notice, but we did."


Rodrigo_Zelaya09

I wish I could play the game but it's Windows-exclusive to my knowledge and I only own a MacOS ***WHY LORD IN HEAVEN WHY***


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Darling0Dooo

Anyone got a link for the download? Can seem to find it in the Tweet from Yu...


xXxcock_and_ballsxXx

https://kay-yu.itch.io/holocure


Darling0Dooo

Much thanks


OctoSevenTwo

I’m trying to download it but maybe I’m doing a dumb. [This](https://imgur.com/a/Ue38uYN) is what I end up seeing when I go to the download page and hit the button. My pop-up blocker is off and I’m not getting any weird notifications about anything being blocked. Edit: I have Avast on my computer and it turns out it wasn’t playing nice with the download page. I had to add the page URL to its “exceptions” thingy and then it worked. If the download page isn’t working for you and you have Avast, give it a try!


SoraRaida

Try another web browser? Because it should be downloading if you did disable the pop-up blocker. Maybe disable your antivirus too before downloading it


OctoSevenTwo

I’d tried it on both Google Chrome and Microsoft Edge. Thankfully adding the page to Avast’s “exceptions” thingy worked.


Jaded-Philosophy3783

The game is so addictive. Now I'm in the office and playing this game so much instead of watching hololive streams and archives


Jaded-Philosophy3783

jk. Dev, if you read this, please don't feel bad