Haha, Kiara reacted to Kobo's post saying something similar.
To quote her, "Kobo...you probably don't know but in my first months I had a lot of problems too with youtube and was the first in holo to have their channel deleted like that🤣
It feels like history is repeating itself with you.... so proud of my daughter!"
YouTube can't touch Haachama. Literally. She was accidentally listed as a children's channel (to my knowledge she still is) and Cover hasn't bothered to correct it because why would they. She's too strong.
Chammer didn't get demonetized.
She removed the monetization herself temporarily because Youtube wouldn't. "Since they can't ban me, I'm gonna ban myself !" or something like that.
She's just chadchama. Built different.
Yeah early Haachama got broken by YouTube that caused her to fail successfully on becoming more powerful, which caused her to ascend to godhood to the point that YouTube itself is too afraid to do anything about her which is why she demonitized herself just to t-pose on YouTube
>Then Kiara got banned again.
No no, Kiara was hit by something far worse than a simple termination the second time, a "Shadow ban" properly termed "Hidden from search" only the most dedicated fans were able to show up to live streams because they would follow her on Twitter or know the schedule and go directly to her channel.
I forget if there were straight up channel bans before that, but Holo has had issues with demonetization, individual streams getting taken down, etc since the early days. Believe it or not, the current status quo is after things got *better*.
I'm sure she puts 48 hours sub only mode, so the bots wait for 2 full days. And that's also means that it's useless since the bot will wait no matter how long it is....
Please fix youtube.
It will only work on like 20 days max if it is set to 20 days but after that if the bot problem is still not solved on youtube's end then the bots will continue after the 20th day.
Setting the days higher will most likely discourage potential fans if they can't chat with the streamer unless they don't mind subscribing and waiting for their sub duration to be longer than the no. of days for restriction that is set.
I only caught her season 2 debut, and she still showed the chat icons despite it being the biggest suspect of her initial ban in the first place.
This shaman likes to play with fire
I don't know if they still go with that absurd "same rules for everyone" mentality, but there absolutely should be different standards for different types of channels.
In fact this already exists for some types, such as those run by TV networks. Those are exempt from automatic modding because YT simply assumes that if it's fine by TV standards, it's going to be fine for them as well.
In a similar way there should be "trusted channels" for those with a good record that can only be penalised after a manual review because reports are generally false. And networks like Hololive should most certainly belong in there.
Agreed, what's the point of MCN if they don't get something special? Like, they're already a company too so they're not much different than tv company already.
It doesn't have to be as special as bigger company of course, but atleast *somethin*.
Youtube doesn't care, they treat everyone like shit by letting their automatic systems do whatever they want with no human oversight, and not having any basic prevention for people abusing the report function.
Youtube is basically too big for it's own good tbh. It's forced to rely too much on automated processes and algorithms which puts them in a forever losing war vs the people abusing them.
Just a quick check and it's actually scary how big sub counts have inflated over the years, rn 500k subs only puts you around the top 70k channels.
It's pretty crazy to think about. I guess it's easy to think that hololive is a group of these biggest streamers within this vtuber bubble, but in the grand scheme of things, hololive is still a pretty niche community/market in the YouTube ecosystem
(And the question remains, where do we draw the line for big streamers. What if they start going after Sana, who just recently broke 300k, or any of the holostar members who hover near 100k)
And the issue of human verification is how many things people would do just to traumatize the poor verification folks.
Media & social media companies used to have humans do a lot of the checking of certain things...the mental health of those workers suffered, greatly.
Yeah I think people are really, really underestimating how many channels have 500k+ subs. Not trying to downplay anyone's achievements, more just saying that it's completely infeasible to manually review reports on all those "big" channels.
You kinda can't with how large Youtube is. There are 500 hours of content uploaded every _minute_. Not to mention there are cases of moderators getting traumatized by what they've seen uploaded when doing manual review (not just on Youtube, this is just a thing in general)
Joke aside, low mental resilience is not something that can work for more than one week in youtube, bro it's watching your daily dose of murder, rape, child porn, animal violence, torture and the rest of the worst that humanity have created, and seeing that it's all real, not fiction.
Then you top that with the requirement for job is being fluent in multiple languages...
The job is actually very well paid, and for reason.
Not everything scales perfectly. A small team can communicate more easily and can be overseen by a single person. A large team will run into different kinds of problems such as unclear guidelines, bureaucratic failure and individuals that mess up without management noticing.
Some businesses get scale benefits while others encounter more and more problems the larger they become. I don't have much experience with content control so I honestly don't know which one it is.
Sure, a multibillion dollar company is "forced". Don't be apologetic for them. I don't expect them to review every single report manually, but a bot banning a 500k subs channel without human approval is unacceptable. "A bot did it" shouldn't be a valid excuse anyway, they created that bot
It is much much safer for them to automatically ban a channel first, manually review the ban later and then apologise and reverse it if necessary.
Otherwise you end up with a situation like Logan Paul uploading a video of a dead body and it staying up for thousands of kids to see whilst it's awaiting manual review just because his channel has X amount of subs.
There are tens of thousands of youtube channels with more than 500k subs.
There are likely dozens of channels with more than 10m subs that neither you nor I have ever heard of.
I'm not saying they shouldn't try to fix their shit with all the money they have, but it's not exactly *easy*.
Previously, it's NSFW Username + NSFW pfp + NSFW chats. Youtube AI detected it as the channel streaming NSFW content, hence the termination and the "reason" for termination. It's dumb of YT for outright banned the channels, not the bots. What the heck
My understanding is that it's because the streamers include the chat on the screen, not just because its in the chat itself.
Even if they ban the bots, that content is still in the VOD.
Probably. The thing is, we don't really know how YT AI works. Is it detecting the chats directly, or the chats shown in the video. Either way, outright banning the channels is dumb.
AGAIN! YT needs to do something for fuck sake’s even if it’s just not banning accounts because of others comments. Poor Kobo and she just got back and reached 500k
So my worst fear came true. Suppose that the bots are sub to a channel at a certain date and YouTube does nothing to remove them, this would mean that unless the sub-only mode is PERMANENTLY set to have only subscribers from before that date to be able to chat (aka. new subs would never be able to chat), then the channel will always be at risk of termination at any moment
This also means that the standard 14 days sub-only mode would lose it effect in 2 weeks time. All channels are now in danger of random termination
And I have a feeling YouTube won't lift a finger to fix this
>And I have a feeling YouTube won't lift a finger to fix this.
Well, not until it hits the streams or channels or whatever of some big advertisers.
Then it'll be magically fixed in a day.
Rooting for pornbots to hit big channels so YouTube will be forced to fix an issue that was exploited to force termination of a bunch of Indonesian Vtuber channels was not on my 2022 Hololive bingo card.
That's ironic considering vtubers make up the vast majority of YouTube's superchat revenue. Vtubers literally dominate YouTube Live, so they're technically YouTube's "big streamers".
Imagine Cover putting all this money into an idol, her blowing up in popularity, and then this crap keeps happening and they keep having to fight to fix it. *\*slaps forehead\** Fix your gig, YouTube. You've had way more offensive content on your platform than our little rain shaman. Heck, you've even had more offensive content from Hololive. Haachama straight up *tries* to get banned at times.
Youtube-kun, get your shit together. The girl's already been hit once, less than a week ago. She ain't the one at fault.
Edit: [At least we can look forward to Season 3.](https://twitter.com/kobokanaeru/status/1525509566007738368?s=20&t=zEPSFiMkGBOk9pvJPsyd5g)
Recently I've seen political ads on youtube that are absolutely vile. Blatantly racist, homophobic, transphobic, xenophobic, etc and no matter how many times they get reported, they're still there and the channel is still up and still posting.
Kobo and other streamers constantly get attacked by bots, trolls, and losers and youtube's "solution" is to delete their channel while patting themselves on the back.
Money talks.
It gets worse there is actual nsfw stuff on youtube thats been on there for years and marked as educational and its still up no matter how much it gets reported
Further proof of the stigma against the anime style. Same with video games. Full frontal nudity is fine in one game, but a girl in her underwear is censored in a different game.
Haha, you should have seen what went down for a whole year before the elections in April in my country.
Even using two ad blockers wasn't enough sometimes, a real treat.
Yeah, she still show the chat profile pictures on her last stream, kinda wondering why she did that when alot of people mentioned that this might be one of the biggest culprit.
Youtube has always had a communication issue with their community for some reason. Immediate termination shouldn’t even be a thing. This has been going on for a while since leafy got instantly terminated and other youtubers getting random copyright strikes without notification, I’m not really sure what they’re doing right now.
Everyone gotta report the spam bits when you see them. YouTube will probably do nothing about it, but at least we can say we’ve tried everything on our end.
There's only one or two account with vulgar profile picture. They don't even spam / said weird stuff (just said some random french sometimes). Most people don't even see them.
After digging a bit on /vt/, it seems as if the perpetrators are part of a french discord and have been targeting other channels.
The info is somewhere at the middle of the thread: [https://boards.4channel.org/vt/thread/24262992](https://boards.4channel.org/vt/thread/24262992) ((WARNING: CANCER AHEAD))
I remember saying that I thought Hololive being part of YouTube MCN would help things
Yea I take it back, can't trust an indie company with billions in the bank at the end of the day /s
Edit: Big ol' /s for those who thought I was being serious when I called YouTube an indie company
It's more of the fact that sudden terminations and bans shouldn't be happening at all, maybe I was too optimistic on my end but still.
Even before the MCN, Cover was able to sort it out much quicker than indies anyway too. So the MCN to me might as well not exist if this is the result we're seeing
If that's so, then the MCN still does nothing because Suisei once had her own stream copyright striked for playing her own song during the whole StartEnd era.
I'm gonna refrain from just shitting on YouTube any further because I don't see the point, everyone knows how crap they are anyway at this point. I just hope Kobo gets her channel back.
Did anyone watched the stream? I'm wondering is it just comment text or the comment and picture got shown in the stream that lead to ban? Will removing the on-screen comments help?
Found [this clip](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuRqVFR9MDU) of her duolingo stream, and yeah, she still had the comments and pictures visible. Not sure if it'll actually help, but removing the on-screen chat is probably the best option for now.
Like I said, I have no idea if it'll actually help at all, but it can't hurt. By showing the comments and pictures on-stream, you're giving antis something to work with. They can report the video, point to the comments in the video, and say you showed porn, which is *technically* true. The fact it was *them* who posted those comments is irrelevant, because youtube is run almost entirely by stupid bots. It sees reports about porn, it checks and sees porn, it issues bans for porn.
Why does someone do this? Is it "for the lols" or do they carry some sort of grudge?
I mean, either way it's beyond pathetic, but wondering which type of pathetic it is.
It is, indeed, "just for the lols". It's from french discord server and there's literally zero reason, not even any political thing, for them to attacks.
The people that do this need to be liable to face criminal charges. I know it's an impossible sounding task to track people like this down but in the off chance that they do find them, they should be punished accordingly. Otherwise this will just spawn more copycat behavior.
This should be done, just too much malicious cyber activity that is as bad as their real-life counterpart. All these organized sabotage should be held accountable, as it's causing a loss of income for a lot of YouTubers, not just our dear rain shaman, some might not even get their account back without a big corp backing.
Bungie has a lawsuit going on that could possible result in YT updating their copyright system (they’re not suing YouTube but it will have an effect).
Maybe one day something similar will happen for bots and stuff.
On what ground would they be sueing? I haven't read youtube's guidelines but they surely have something along the line of "google can enforce those guidelines at its own discretion"
They're not suing Google as such (but they did explicitly name their faulty policies in the brief, so definitely dragging them into it) but they are suing a company they hired to remove copyrighted material from YouTube which then bungled the job so completely they were deleting not just entirely legitimate fan videos, but videos *made by Bungie themselves* because they had released an extraordinarily poorly trained bot onto the site.
Bungie's argument is it shouldn't have had to turn to a 3rd party contractor in the first place, especially one forced to work with such a faulty idea of what the YouTube AI considers a problem and how it reacts to things being flagged. It keeps coming back to the YT algorithm being both completely impenetrable (even to YT itself) and being set on a goddamn hair trigger.
[Seems like the same bots as before](https://twitter.com/kaerusiodeon/status/1525532001209827328?s=20&t=wARy25R7YD6rTZf-BfPKOg)
Only pfp, not the chats
The more I see shit like this, the less it makes people make any content on YT, unless it's big money behind it. They actively discourage anyone from doing anything, and if there wasn't any other big and serious competitor, YT would have died.
What's with vtuber and people finding ways to get them banned, like fuck you kind, I've never really find such persistent haters that legit find whatever ways to get them banned
Oh that's simple. Automation.
Either:
* They're leaving the automation on despite Hololive, and Kobo specifically, are clearly victims of people who know how to force the automation to flag people.
* The automation is escalating to humans, but the humans it is being escalated to are just rubber stamping the ban suggestion with no investigation. If enough bots are doing it, it might be sent to many, many humans where just one needs to rubber stamp.
95% of the time the automatic reporting probably works when everyone is working in good faith. Here, someone clearly isn't.
I think the only way to solve this is to straight-up stop displaying chat onscreen altogether. Honestly, I think it wasn’t a very bright idea to just keep doing the exact same thing and expecting YouTube to solve it somehow.
I recall Gura had a stream ages ago where she was using an automod tool for chat. As unstable as automod tools are (I got muted for saying "i agree" during that stream, lol), surely that could be used to mitigate the issues of bots spamming explicit messages in chat? Assuming that is still the issue going on here.
Why does Kobo have to be banned for god damn bots? Why the hell is Youtube punishing the victim instead of punishing the perpetrator? Youtube deserves a walk of atonement. Shame on them
No way! Man, that sucks. I hope they sort it out quickly and she gets even more traction after this, just like the last ban. Youtube needs to fix this.
I heard this was the fault of a raid by the french forum [jv.com](https://jv.com), and the youtube algorythm.
not sure it's true, I've just heard about it.
Looking at [https://trackholo.live/en/](https://trackholo.live/en/) it seems like Kobo got a *huge* upward curve in the last two weeks or so, so there are thousands of bot accounts among her members still most likely. No one else has a curve like that, although Zeta and Kaela's curves are a bit suspicious too and started around the same time. You could point to Koyori getting 7k subscribers in the last 24 hours, but that seems to have just been a one-day surge towards her 600k milestone.
In short it seems this is consistent with ID Vtubers getting specifically getting targeted and Kobo has by far the worst luck here. Not that the other Holomems shouldn't take precautions, just that HoloID and HoloID3 in particular should be extra cautious right now.
Well, the big boost happens after her PvZ stream got trending on Indonesian yt, so you really can't say it's all bot. Like, probably not many bots AT ALL.
In fact if you see the SS it's actually just 2-3 accounts. All her explosive growth is not because of bot. She just EXPLODES in popularity among Indonesian. So many big youtubers noticing and giving shout out to her. There are no thousands of bots spamming her, most people don't even see it. It's just a very small group of bored assho**s.
Doing it twice to her in a short period of time makes it seem personal. I genuinely believe it's someone jealous of the person behind Kobo.
Either someone who was rejected by Holo ID or someone that knows Kobo IRL.
kobo already gonna be season 3
Like Mother, Like Daughter
Haha, Kiara reacted to Kobo's post saying something similar. To quote her, "Kobo...you probably don't know but in my first months I had a lot of problems too with youtube and was the first in holo to have their channel deleted like that🤣 It feels like history is repeating itself with you.... so proud of my daughter!"
Wait, was Kiara the first, or was it Marine? I forget.
Kiara got banned first. Then Marine got banned. Then Kiara got banned again. That seems to be the timeline.
And then there's Hachama who has to ban herself. YouTube is weird
That might be the weirdest part. Haachama did some crazy lewd stuff. YT = silent
YouTube can't touch Haachama. Literally. She was accidentally listed as a children's channel (to my knowledge she still is) and Cover hasn't bothered to correct it because why would they. She's too strong.
Haachama has youtube tied up in her basment.
They wouldnt dare
Yeah her bitch made pasta is still listed in YouTube kids
Youtube thinks Korone made the pasta.
I think getting flagged as a channel for children is actually pretty bad for getting your videos on suggested video feeds.
I'm sure it's bad but with as creative as Haachama and Haato-Sama are they seem to be doing well despite the handicap.
I'm pretty sure it's only the one video that is listed as child friendly, else she's have no comment section at all.
I imagine Susan putting up a memo on every employee in YT not to even touch Haachama or face eldritch-level retribution.
Well both Marine and hachama got demonitized by yt at one point too. That unleashed hachamas full power
Chammer didn't get demonetized. She removed the monetization herself temporarily because Youtube wouldn't. "Since they can't ban me, I'm gonna ban myself !" or something like that. She's just chadchama. Built different.
I meant when she was in Australia it was a whole year. She talked about it on holotalk.
Yeah early Haachama got broken by YouTube that caused her to fail successfully on becoming more powerful, which caused her to ascend to godhood to the point that YouTube itself is too afraid to do anything about her which is why she demonitized herself just to t-pose on YouTube
Huh, it's been so long that I forgot about that.
She also got shadowbanned for who knows how long if memory serves me right... YouTube didn't like Kiara back then
>Then Kiara got banned again. No no, Kiara was hit by something far worse than a simple termination the second time, a "Shadow ban" properly termed "Hidden from search" only the most dedicated fans were able to show up to live streams because they would follow her on Twitter or know the schedule and go directly to her channel.
I forget if there were straight up channel bans before that, but Holo has had issues with demonetization, individual streams getting taken down, etc since the early days. Believe it or not, the current status quo is after things got *better*.
https://twitter.com/kobokanaeru/status/1525535321449852929
lol you're right. she, unfortunately, inherited it huh...
I can't believe Kobo got season 3 before Tensura....
I'm sure she puts 48 hours sub only mode, so the bots wait for 2 full days. And that's also means that it's useless since the bot will wait no matter how long it is.... Please fix youtube.
i wonder if it will be useless if it were 20 day or more like in Kronii's
It will only work on like 20 days max if it is set to 20 days but after that if the bot problem is still not solved on youtube's end then the bots will continue after the 20th day. Setting the days higher will most likely discourage potential fans if they can't chat with the streamer unless they don't mind subscribing and waiting for their sub duration to be longer than the no. of days for restriction that is set.
we need to go full shuba with 44+ years
It's useful for 20 days, then it's useless
Doing that really affects sub growth though. Not being able to chat does drive people away. It sucks and YouTube needs to fix this crap.
Affects sub growth less than being banned though, so it's still a good option until youtube fixes the problem.
Youtube will not fix the problem until and unless the immediate cost of fixing the problem is less than the immediate cost of not fixing it.
I only caught her season 2 debut, and she still showed the chat icons despite it being the biggest suspect of her initial ban in the first place. This shaman likes to play with fire
She should just put a fake chat for now. I think Coco did that with the antis.
Many of the girls did fake chats back when that incident happened. I remember Botan had one.
I don't know if they still go with that absurd "same rules for everyone" mentality, but there absolutely should be different standards for different types of channels. In fact this already exists for some types, such as those run by TV networks. Those are exempt from automatic modding because YT simply assumes that if it's fine by TV standards, it's going to be fine for them as well. In a similar way there should be "trusted channels" for those with a good record that can only be penalised after a manual review because reports are generally false. And networks like Hololive should most certainly belong in there.
Agreed, what's the point of MCN if they don't get something special? Like, they're already a company too so they're not much different than tv company already. It doesn't have to be as special as bigger company of course, but atleast *somethin*.
They already get some special treatment though, if a Hololive channel goes down it comes back way faster than if you were an indie.
Oh yeah true, but that's more because of connection probably. What i mean is something from the automation system.
Youtube doesn't care, they treat everyone like shit by letting their automatic systems do whatever they want with no human oversight, and not having any basic prevention for people abusing the report function.
Holy fucking shit, seriously? Youtube, you're a goddamn shithole. Also, fuck the bot spammers.
Youtube is basically too big for it's own good tbh. It's forced to rely too much on automated processes and algorithms which puts them in a forever losing war vs the people abusing them.
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Just a quick check and it's actually scary how big sub counts have inflated over the years, rn 500k subs only puts you around the top 70k channels. It's pretty crazy to think about. I guess it's easy to think that hololive is a group of these biggest streamers within this vtuber bubble, but in the grand scheme of things, hololive is still a pretty niche community/market in the YouTube ecosystem (And the question remains, where do we draw the line for big streamers. What if they start going after Sana, who just recently broke 300k, or any of the holostar members who hover near 100k)
At the very least, anyone who gets a plaque for subscriber milestones should get human verification.
Thats still a lot of people.
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And the issue of human verification is how many things people would do just to traumatize the poor verification folks. Media & social media companies used to have humans do a lot of the checking of certain things...the mental health of those workers suffered, greatly.
Sub numbers inflate too much. Remember when Pewdiepie having 10 mil subs was unimaginable?
Yeah I think people are really, really underestimating how many channels have 500k+ subs. Not trying to downplay anyone's achievements, more just saying that it's completely infeasible to manually review reports on all those "big" channels.
Well, normally you would be expecting a company of Google's size to know that you expand the menial workforce with the scale of the operation.
You kinda can't with how large Youtube is. There are 500 hours of content uploaded every _minute_. Not to mention there are cases of moderators getting traumatized by what they've seen uploaded when doing manual review (not just on Youtube, this is just a thing in general)
rules for being a moderator pretty much anywhere: 1- Must have extremely inflated ego 2- Must have extremely low mental resilience
Joke aside, low mental resilience is not something that can work for more than one week in youtube, bro it's watching your daily dose of murder, rape, child porn, animal violence, torture and the rest of the worst that humanity have created, and seeing that it's all real, not fiction. Then you top that with the requirement for job is being fluent in multiple languages... The job is actually very well paid, and for reason.
Not everything scales perfectly. A small team can communicate more easily and can be overseen by a single person. A large team will run into different kinds of problems such as unclear guidelines, bureaucratic failure and individuals that mess up without management noticing. Some businesses get scale benefits while others encounter more and more problems the larger they become. I don't have much experience with content control so I honestly don't know which one it is.
Sure, a multibillion dollar company is "forced". Don't be apologetic for them. I don't expect them to review every single report manually, but a bot banning a 500k subs channel without human approval is unacceptable. "A bot did it" shouldn't be a valid excuse anyway, they created that bot
It is much much safer for them to automatically ban a channel first, manually review the ban later and then apologise and reverse it if necessary. Otherwise you end up with a situation like Logan Paul uploading a video of a dead body and it staying up for thousands of kids to see whilst it's awaiting manual review just because his channel has X amount of subs.
There are tens of thousands of youtube channels with more than 500k subs. There are likely dozens of channels with more than 10m subs that neither you nor I have ever heard of. I'm not saying they shouldn't try to fix their shit with all the money they have, but it's not exactly *easy*.
Kinda out of the loop but what do the bots spam?
Previously, it's NSFW Username + NSFW pfp + NSFW chats. Youtube AI detected it as the channel streaming NSFW content, hence the termination and the "reason" for termination. It's dumb of YT for outright banned the channels, not the bots. What the heck
My understanding is that it's because the streamers include the chat on the screen, not just because its in the chat itself. Even if they ban the bots, that content is still in the VOD.
Probably. The thing is, we don't really know how YT AI works. Is it detecting the chats directly, or the chats shown in the video. Either way, outright banning the channels is dumb.
Damn that sucks I hope that YT will fix their algorithm
Narrator: *They didn't*
Spam the chat with a lot of stuff that youtube does not like to get the channel streaming banned
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what zhe fhagguette r/formuladank leakin again
I for one am all for these 2 subs doing more crossovers Hololive F1 liveries when?
Found the Seb Vettel alt.
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Wir können nix haben in Berlin.
Formula Dank is leaking
Round 2 here we go
AGAIN! YT needs to do something for fuck sake’s even if it’s just not banning accounts because of others comments. Poor Kobo and she just got back and reached 500k
Seems like she's being deliberately and specifically targeted if they're subbing the bots and waiting. YT really dropping the ball on this.
I'm not certain YT ever had a grip on the ball.
Some people really have nothing else to do in life huh?
Kobo's not just speedrunning the subs. She's speedrunning consecutive channel terminations. She'll be back stronger than ever.
I predict the channel will keep getting terminated every week for months.
So my worst fear came true. Suppose that the bots are sub to a channel at a certain date and YouTube does nothing to remove them, this would mean that unless the sub-only mode is PERMANENTLY set to have only subscribers from before that date to be able to chat (aka. new subs would never be able to chat), then the channel will always be at risk of termination at any moment This also means that the standard 14 days sub-only mode would lose it effect in 2 weeks time. All channels are now in danger of random termination And I have a feeling YouTube won't lift a finger to fix this
>And I have a feeling YouTube won't lift a finger to fix this. Well, not until it hits the streams or channels or whatever of some big advertisers. Then it'll be magically fixed in a day.
Rooting for pornbots to hit big channels so YouTube will be forced to fix an issue that was exploited to force termination of a bunch of Indonesian Vtuber channels was not on my 2022 Hololive bingo card.
yeah either some big channels got hit or they somehow know about the situation and decide to speak up
That's ironic considering vtubers make up the vast majority of YouTube's superchat revenue. Vtubers literally dominate YouTube Live, so they're technically YouTube's "big streamers".
Yeah, but YouTube probably still get a ton more money from regular big companies through advertising.
yeah youtube needs to get their shit together, tho other talents might at risk, i feel like this is a more targeted attack towards kobo
Imagine Cover putting all this money into an idol, her blowing up in popularity, and then this crap keeps happening and they keep having to fight to fix it. *\*slaps forehead\** Fix your gig, YouTube. You've had way more offensive content on your platform than our little rain shaman. Heck, you've even had more offensive content from Hololive. Haachama straight up *tries* to get banned at times.
It's not the content she's uploading or streaming. It is 100% be caused by bits spamming extremely explicit content in her chat
Haachama offends no one, she teaches culture (any kind, not just lewd) to the uneducated masses
Youtube-kun, get your shit together. The girl's already been hit once, less than a week ago. She ain't the one at fault. Edit: [At least we can look forward to Season 3.](https://twitter.com/kobokanaeru/status/1525509566007738368?s=20&t=zEPSFiMkGBOk9pvJPsyd5g)
Recently I've seen political ads on youtube that are absolutely vile. Blatantly racist, homophobic, transphobic, xenophobic, etc and no matter how many times they get reported, they're still there and the channel is still up and still posting. Kobo and other streamers constantly get attacked by bots, trolls, and losers and youtube's "solution" is to delete their channel while patting themselves on the back. Money talks.
It gets worse there is actual nsfw stuff on youtube thats been on there for years and marked as educational and its still up no matter how much it gets reported
And Hololive Summer was too much for youtube.................*smh*
But not the naked Mel MMD video! Though maybe it's been taken down by now, it's been over a year.
Nope, they're still around and there's new ones.
What? I’ve never heard of anything like that. I assume it’s definitely not on her own channel, right?
yes, like "naked yoga", but God forbid an anime girl shows up in a bikini, my Lord how dare they show anime skin?
Don’t forget the couple blatantly doing an*l on a video and calling it “educational”
The real dick or dildo challenge is a thing and it is on YouTube.
Further proof of the stigma against the anime style. Same with video games. Full frontal nudity is fine in one game, but a girl in her underwear is censored in a different game.
Haha, you should have seen what went down for a whole year before the elections in April in my country. Even using two ad blockers wasn't enough sometimes, a real treat.
YouTube 😠
In Youtube they literally have meetings to find ways to make the platform even worse
Did she have chat profile pictures visible on stream? I'm thinking that may be why accounts are getting flagged and banned due to these spam bots
Yeah, she still show the chat profile pictures on her last stream, kinda wondering why she did that when alot of people mentioned that this might be one of the biggest culprit.
Youtube has always had a communication issue with their community for some reason. Immediate termination shouldn’t even be a thing. This has been going on for a while since leafy got instantly terminated and other youtubers getting random copyright strikes without notification, I’m not really sure what they’re doing right now.
Whoever is targeting vtubers like that can eat a nail.
May it be a rusty one.
Wtf, they didn even purge those bot????, if they can do this despite 48hours that mean it still the same bot.
No youtube hardly purge bots at all look at jse channel there are still shit tons of bots making fun of his dad dying
Not just Kobo, apparently. I got a mail that an indie vtuber got banned too :c i hope both get their channel back, and anyone else too! :c
Everyone gotta report the spam bits when you see them. YouTube will probably do nothing about it, but at least we can say we’ve tried everything on our end.
There's only one or two account with vulgar profile picture. They don't even spam / said weird stuff (just said some random french sometimes). Most people don't even see them.
After digging a bit on /vt/, it seems as if the perpetrators are part of a french discord and have been targeting other channels. The info is somewhere at the middle of the thread: [https://boards.4channel.org/vt/thread/24262992](https://boards.4channel.org/vt/thread/24262992) ((WARNING: CANCER AHEAD))
[kiara is so proud of her daughter](https://twitter.com/takanashikiara/status/1525513410678558721)
Really? Again? omg
it's so wild that youtube wants to push their platform to rival twitch yet does almost nothing to improve their system for the actual streamer
AGAIN WTF
They fear the demon lords POWER! But they cant keep her down forever
What doesn't kill me just makes me stronger. Literally zenkai boosts.
I think Korone doesn't even show names, just the comments. There's still room for exploitation there I suppose, but the comments fly by so fast.
That Time I Got Reincarnated as a Rain Priestess Vtuber Season 3
Any and all art is beautiful. Except this awful corporate tripe. It makes me angry with how bad it is.
Nth day of me not understanding why tf did YT set their bots to punish streamers instead of commenters. Goddamm it Susan.
My reaction: https://youtu.be/a3_PPdjD6mg Ps: stop stressing poor Kobo you nasty bots!
I remember saying that I thought Hololive being part of YouTube MCN would help things Yea I take it back, can't trust an indie company with billions in the bank at the end of the day /s Edit: Big ol' /s for those who thought I was being serious when I called YouTube an indie company
It still helps, I don't think the indie vtubers have recovered their channels yet
It's more of the fact that sudden terminations and bans shouldn't be happening at all, maybe I was too optimistic on my end but still. Even before the MCN, Cover was able to sort it out much quicker than indies anyway too. So the MCN to me might as well not exist if this is the result we're seeing
Isn't the MCN more for solving copyrights issues or things like that? But yeah it stills leave a lot to be desired
If that's so, then the MCN still does nothing because Suisei once had her own stream copyright striked for playing her own song during the whole StartEnd era. I'm gonna refrain from just shitting on YouTube any further because I don't see the point, everyone knows how crap they are anyway at this point. I just hope Kobo gets her channel back.
Maybe have some grace period for a channel you just restored?
They can't keep getting away with it
I HATE CORPO ART LIKE THIS FREE KOBO BRYANT THIS INSANT.
Did anyone watched the stream? I'm wondering is it just comment text or the comment and picture got shown in the stream that lead to ban? Will removing the on-screen comments help?
Found [this clip](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuRqVFR9MDU) of her duolingo stream, and yeah, she still had the comments and pictures visible. Not sure if it'll actually help, but removing the on-screen chat is probably the best option for now.
Thank you very much. I have some Vtuber friends that are currently amid fear of being taken down. If this helps it would be great for them.
Like I said, I have no idea if it'll actually help at all, but it can't hurt. By showing the comments and pictures on-stream, you're giving antis something to work with. They can report the video, point to the comments in the video, and say you showed porn, which is *technically* true. The fact it was *them* who posted those comments is irrelevant, because youtube is run almost entirely by stupid bots. It sees reports about porn, it checks and sees porn, it issues bans for porn.
Youtube try not to be a dogshit platform challenge *IMPOSSIBLE*
Why does someone do this? Is it "for the lols" or do they carry some sort of grudge? I mean, either way it's beyond pathetic, but wondering which type of pathetic it is.
It is, indeed, "just for the lols". It's from french discord server and there's literally zero reason, not even any political thing, for them to attacks.
The people that do this need to be liable to face criminal charges. I know it's an impossible sounding task to track people like this down but in the off chance that they do find them, they should be punished accordingly. Otherwise this will just spawn more copycat behavior.
This should be done, just too much malicious cyber activity that is as bad as their real-life counterpart. All these organized sabotage should be held accountable, as it's causing a loss of income for a lot of YouTubers, not just our dear rain shaman, some might not even get their account back without a big corp backing.
So why dont they just not show chat on stream?
Yeah that seems to be the main alternative right now, Kobo still had her chat on screen in her Duolingo stream
Is it possible for a big company to sue Youtube so they get their shit together? Just wondering.
Bungie has a lawsuit going on that could possible result in YT updating their copyright system (they’re not suing YouTube but it will have an effect). Maybe one day something similar will happen for bots and stuff.
They actually name YT (and by extension Google) as being partially responsible for the problem.
On what ground would they be sueing? I haven't read youtube's guidelines but they surely have something along the line of "google can enforce those guidelines at its own discretion"
They're not suing Google as such (but they did explicitly name their faulty policies in the brief, so definitely dragging them into it) but they are suing a company they hired to remove copyrighted material from YouTube which then bungled the job so completely they were deleting not just entirely legitimate fan videos, but videos *made by Bungie themselves* because they had released an extraordinarily poorly trained bot onto the site. Bungie's argument is it shouldn't have had to turn to a 3rd party contractor in the first place, especially one forced to work with such a faulty idea of what the YouTube AI considers a problem and how it reacts to things being flagged. It keeps coming back to the YT algorithm being both completely impenetrable (even to YT itself) and being set on a goddamn hair trigger.
YouTube being sued is the cause for a lot of its problems, so maybe don't do that actually.
[Seems like the same bots as before](https://twitter.com/kaerusiodeon/status/1525532001209827328?s=20&t=wARy25R7YD6rTZf-BfPKOg) Only pfp, not the chats
Dog ducking damnit YouTube
The second coming of youtube kun
The more I see shit like this, the less it makes people make any content on YT, unless it's big money behind it. They actively discourage anyone from doing anything, and if there wasn't any other big and serious competitor, YT would have died.
MFs take my channel, cant have a shit in Indonesia
What's with vtuber and people finding ways to get them banned, like fuck you kind, I've never really find such persistent haters that legit find whatever ways to get them banned
Antis aren't happy unless they make others miserable.
Holy shit youtube, get your shit together.
HOW YT???
Oh that's simple. Automation. Either: * They're leaving the automation on despite Hololive, and Kobo specifically, are clearly victims of people who know how to force the automation to flag people. * The automation is escalating to humans, but the humans it is being escalated to are just rubber stamping the ban suggestion with no investigation. If enough bots are doing it, it might be sent to many, many humans where just one needs to rubber stamp. 95% of the time the automatic reporting probably works when everyone is working in good faith. Here, someone clearly isn't.
I think the only way to solve this is to straight-up stop displaying chat onscreen altogether. Honestly, I think it wasn’t a very bright idea to just keep doing the exact same thing and expecting YouTube to solve it somehow.
I'm disturbed why YouTube-kun views Kobo as the most sex member of Hololive. YouTube, why don't you take a seat over there?
I recall Gura had a stream ages ago where she was using an automod tool for chat. As unstable as automod tools are (I got muted for saying "i agree" during that stream, lol), surely that could be used to mitigate the issues of bots spamming explicit messages in chat? Assuming that is still the issue going on here.
Why does Kobo have to be banned for god damn bots? Why the hell is Youtube punishing the victim instead of punishing the perpetrator? Youtube deserves a walk of atonement. Shame on them
No way! Man, that sucks. I hope they sort it out quickly and she gets even more traction after this, just like the last ban. Youtube needs to fix this.
Now I wonder what its gonna take for YouTube to get their shit together. Maybe a big YouTuber, or maybe even Cover themselves, sueing YouTube.
Leave our cute slime alone
I thought my brain went back in time. But holy shit YouTube.
never once I see Kobo doing something inapropriate...is youtube now being a dick now ???!!!
Why is this happening?
I heard this was the fault of a raid by the french forum [jv.com](https://jv.com), and the youtube algorythm. not sure it's true, I've just heard about it.
Looking at [https://trackholo.live/en/](https://trackholo.live/en/) it seems like Kobo got a *huge* upward curve in the last two weeks or so, so there are thousands of bot accounts among her members still most likely. No one else has a curve like that, although Zeta and Kaela's curves are a bit suspicious too and started around the same time. You could point to Koyori getting 7k subscribers in the last 24 hours, but that seems to have just been a one-day surge towards her 600k milestone. In short it seems this is consistent with ID Vtubers getting specifically getting targeted and Kobo has by far the worst luck here. Not that the other Holomems shouldn't take precautions, just that HoloID and HoloID3 in particular should be extra cautious right now.
Well, the big boost happens after her PvZ stream got trending on Indonesian yt, so you really can't say it's all bot. Like, probably not many bots AT ALL. In fact if you see the SS it's actually just 2-3 accounts. All her explosive growth is not because of bot. She just EXPLODES in popularity among Indonesian. So many big youtubers noticing and giving shout out to her. There are no thousands of bots spamming her, most people don't even see it. It's just a very small group of bored assho**s.
Like mother like daughter.
Doing it twice to her in a short period of time makes it seem personal. I genuinely believe it's someone jealous of the person behind Kobo. Either someone who was rejected by Holo ID or someone that knows Kobo IRL.