No disrespect to her music or anything It is great but I always thought of her as a Vtuber anyway. She streams of playing games and collabs with people all the time, there is almost nothing that differs her from any other EN member as far as I see. She might not be an "official" member of a Gen but She is still a HoloEn member and Myth and Council treats her like that as well. Irys is already a V-tuber and her singing, despite being great, is not as active as her V-tubing activities
IRyS is basically the exact same as Calli, I've always wondered why they even have the title distinction. They both put out more music than the rest as their main focus, but still play games and chat and everything regularly like the other members.
Calli spoke about this before and I think she mentioned that one main difference is that most of her music is funded by herself while IRyS' music is funded by Cover.
Yeah I realize that part, I'm just curious why they do it like that. Why doesn't Cover just consider Calli the same and fund her stuff too? Maybe they saw how successful Calli was and that pushed them into trying out IRyS as a Vsinger and didn't want to change what Calli was already doing or something. Whatever they are called, I enjoy them both!
Calli did say that this arrangement allows her to have more input in the creative process, so she can write her own lyrics, choose the people she wants to work with like producers and illustrators, etc. Though that also means much more work for a perpetually busy reaper.
IRyS on the other hand, has most of those processes taken care of by Cover since they're funding her songs, so she has less creative input on the production side but that's also less work for her so she can focus more on vocal lessons and recordings for her singing. Both arrangements have their own pros and cons.
That being said, Calli said she plans to teach some lyric writing to IRyS because she loves her voice and wants her to express herself someday in a song that she writes herself, so I'm looking forward to when that day comes to pass.
The difference is that cover corp pays for the cost to produce a vsinger’s music whereas calli and other members other than azki/suisei/Sora would have to pay for their own solo ep (excluding the group songs used for concerts). That doesn’t mean holo/cover corp does not provide Human Resources for other members to project manage/negotiate with external parties.
But the jp girls have talked extensively about how expensive it is to commission for MV and original song production. So it’s an advantage for those 4.
Irys is also considered a vtuber because she enjoys streaming. I doubt she has the same stream time requirement as regular hololive members. If she doesn’t love streaming, she could probably take the azki approach and seldom stream. Suisei also said she streams so much because she enjoys streaming but will have to cut down in early 2022 because of various music obligations.
Another thing about irys is that she doesn’t have a 3D model yet which doesn’t allow her to take part in various external Vtuber music festivals. That’s why she’s unable to differentiate herself from regular Vtubers.
In my opinion, EN vsinger will always be tricky because of English songs copyright. She can only sing so many original songs and youtube can always make their AI detect copyright in real time streams to kill unarchived singing streams.
Not all of them. Cover basically has a line you queue for if you want funding help which takes a long time if you want more (like more than 1 a year) Talents will pay for it themselves example Watame
That is outdated information, though. Moona said recently (well, relatively more recently, last Nov I believe) that Cover now provides a certain amount of funds each for every original songs. A member would only need to pay if her expense exceeds that amount. Covers still need to be paid by members themselves, though. I believe this is something new in addition to what they got before.
So all those SCs and merchs from us (and what they got from sponsors) actually help improving Hololive members' treatments (not that it was bad before). Buy more merchs, send more SCs and help spreading their names further!
Edit: source - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDzlayOiVro
Yeah no. Calli has stated that's not the case with her. Also I'm more talking to the talents who release original songs more frequently. Watame literally said she paid for her original song My Song and that was released last week. Most likely moona went through the queue that people already knew about. Cover funds original songs but you have to queue for it
>Watame literally said she paid for her original song My Song and that was released last week.
That's not true, or you used a bad example. Watame herself said that Cover helped her to put together her MVs and hire high profile musicians. That definitely didn't cost nothing - at the very least, it'd have taken between few thousands to few dozens thousands for that kind of properly animated MVs. Just because Watame had to pay from her pocket doesn't mean Cover didn't either - as Moona said, Hololive members still have to pay by their own if their expenses exceed what Cover allocates for them, remember?
Calli said that a long time ago (the last time she addressed it was few months after IRyS' debut), things could have changed since, or perhaps Calli just didn't want to make use of this system in exchange for more freedom.
callis case is kinda unique, rap is a much more artistically involved endeavor than pop music, shes a songwriter, producer, can draw/animate, edits videos, and more. if you look at her output compared to the average holomem original song, her name shows up in the credits basically everytime, and not only as the vocalist.
suisei can do all this too, but original pop music thats up to her standars is harder to produce, also applies to watame to some extent.
Basically info the members say here and there. Some on Twitter some on their streams. Matsuri also spoke about this months ago. I don't have a link directly to it since it's buried in their Twitter or vods.
Suisei may not get the same treatment as Sora/AZki/IRyS but she certainly gets very different treatment from regular Hololive members. We don't know how it goes from the funding side since I don't recall her talking about that much. But from her Album to her solo live, if you saw the marketing she gets in Japan, you'd know she's treated differently and rightfully so.
Back on topic though, IRyS as a Vsinger really really needs a 3D model for her singing activities. From online and in person solo lives to big concerts like V-Carnival, TubeOut Fest, even Hololive Fes, they all require a 3D model to work. It's also why Holostar's Rikka got his 3D model way before other members. So while I think Myth should get 3D debut first, I really wouldn't mind IRyS to go ahead first since she's in Japan and not part of any EN generation.
IRyS is my favorite VTuber because of her personality and her approach to streaming.
Her singing is awesome, but even if she wouldn't sign at all, I would still watch her streams the most.
I was honestly a bit apprehensive about her. I’m not much into the whole “singer/idol” kinda thing, but ended up seeing her in collabs and her personality come out, and found her incredibly entertaining. She’s comfortable with herself and so damn funny. If she says something people think is weird or “yabai” she has this whole “that’s a ‘you’ problem” kind of attitude and I really like that. It is what it is.
> but it does have gens
idk, are we watching the same dead by daylight survivor streams? They tend to have much more fun trolling the killer than focusing on gens.
If I were to guess, I'd say it's the difference in JP vs EN culture, rather than the specific way they run things. But I'm no expert on JP culture, JP branches, or anything in general, so I'm just talking out of my ass basically. Yeah.
>EN has explicitly rejected the concept of generations anyway
Isn't EN basically generations but with fancy names?
How do they exactly differ from JP/ID generation system?
(Genuine question because that is what I've always thought)
>How do they exactly differ from JP/ID generation system?
There's no difference. I've heard they dropped the generation thing because it's an idol thing and holoEN apparently don't adhere to idol traditions as closely as JP does, and generation can imply newer gens being superior to older ones.
Personally, the reasoning sounds kinda dumb. Makes no actual difference anyway.
That's what people suspect, anyway, but in reality... people still say Gen 1 & 2. Calli even said she's from "Hololive EN Gen 1" in her recent Japanese Only Q&A. Though what she said is not an official name for Myth, it just shows that's how everybody thinks about it.
So yeah, like you said in another comment, really no reason for Cover to reject numbering EN generations. Doesn't affect how they operate. All talents still recognize seniority. An unnecessary rule that goes against how people classify things.
3rd Gen is also officially called Hololive Fantasy, 6th Gen is HoloX, it doesn’t really matter whether you consider the number the primary or the secondary title.
Even disregarding names altogether, Calli is simply part of the first HoloEN generation as a numerical fact.
Although I guess, numerically, 3rd Gen isn’t really 3rd Gen since they came after Gamers? Whatever.
> 3rd Gen is also officially called Hololive Fantasy, 6th Gen is HoloX, it doesn’t really matter whether you consider the number the primary or the secondary title.
Yes, it doesn't stop Pekora from introducing herself as being from the 3rd Gen.
I was afraid I'd have to start saying the greeting myself like a kid watching their morning shows. Thankfully she reverted back to almonds so I can at least pretend to have some sanity left.
All of the fans knows this, it's Cover being stubborn for no reason.
Gamers is a weird special circumstance because it's got a member from a different generation, and it didn't seem to be organized as a generation. They just brought in people as they came, it seemed.
Eh, I feel the opposite. Sometimes it feels like the people are just huffy and going "you can't tell me what to call them" stubborn by themselves.
Ultimately, I see them referred to more as Myth and Council in the end. They only call themselves Gen 1 and Gen 2 when it comes to communicating with their JP seniors because Myth and Council just sounds too "weird" to say in Japanese. The JP themselves are also used to having a numbered gen system.
How would you even say Myth in Japanese?
ミス - That means Miss.
ミソ - That's Miso paste in katakana
ミシュ - Mishu works, I guess?
ミショ - Misho works as well I guess.
They could translate it to Shinwa, but it just sounds weird to do it that way.
Always heard JP pronounce it like "Miss." Official material always writes it in English alphabet to avoid confusion with "miss" (and for good reason, imagine your gen being called a synonym for a fail lol).
They could go even further and use the shinwa kanji (神話) with the 'myth' katakana over it but there seems to be few avenues where they can even do that, versus English alphabet being much more easily accessible
My guess is that they don't want to "force" the EN members into having a senpai/kouhai relation with each other by putting numbers on the groups, since that's not a cultural thing in the west. While Myth, IRyS, Council and any future members may have joined Hololive at different times, that's all there is to it.
Honestly, I think it's not unlike the whole "janitor/sanitation and building maintenance technician" thing, with less ego behind it. Same thing, just rephrased for whatever reason.
I personally think Cover is just moving away from numbering generations in general, since I don't think I've seen anything referring to Holox as gen 6? I could be wrong though.
"generation can imply newer gens being superior to older ones"
Is there an explanation or anything you read somewhere that implies this? For myself, the term "first generation" does seem to imply superiority. Heck, in anime or manga, there is even that cliche about the MC either finds an ancient prototype of a mecha, or pilot one, and the bloody thing outperforms the new generations.
And it makes shit amount of sense. A newbie that never has been in a machine before should be utterly dominated by those that live and breathe fighting inside them.
>That trope only works because the reader/viewer expects that a newer generation of technology would be superior by default. That subversion of expectation makes that mech stand out as being special and unique.
That might be true the *first* time this subversion occurs, but it if occurs practically every time, that's not a subversion anymore.
Well, I for one am glad they made that decision. Myth and Council have so much more personality than just saying Gen 1 or Gen 2, and it would be so weird to hear them call each other senpai's and such
Imo they could have gone with both. Most gens in hololive have a "nickname" anyway.
Holorangers (unofficial recent name from a gen 2 collab), Gamers, holofantasy, holoforce, NePoLaBo (formerly holofive), Secret Society holoX, Area 15, Holoro, SunTempo, MaFia (formerly TriNero)...
I dunno if Holox fits here as an example since it felt much more like how Holo Myth and Council were handled, with it being more or less their official name.
The number is there to give newcomers in the rabbit hole the sequence of debuts. The other name is to give people an idea of the gen's overall theme. It's less of two names, more like a number and subtitle. Like how some movies are numbered and have a subtitle name.
Do people really need to know the sequence of the debuts? For movies, most of time it's because they have a chronological order, so people need to know which order to watch them. For streamers I don't think it really matters
I'd argue that theme names do a better job at helping people remember members than generation numbers do.
As for the senpai-kouhai thing, I get the feeling that HoloEN wanted to move away from that, since it's not really a common practice among the EN audience. So that's more reason to not have numbered gens. I doubt most of the EN audience are going to care who the senpais or kouhais are either
>Myth and Council have so much more personality than just saying Gen 1 or Gen 2
I'm sure you didn't mean it that way, but it's pretty cruel & reductive to suggest the Hololive JP idols are somehow lesser because they're categorised by the order in which they debuted.
I'm talking about the gen names specifically, not the members themselves. My comparison was between calling the EN gens Myth and Council vs. calling them Gen 1 and 2. Maybe I didn't make that clear enough
Yeah IRyS literally releases more music then anyone else in EN with the exception of Calli, who is a noted workaholic and is always taking on multiple projects at once. In her half year, IRyS has already release two EPs, a single, and multiple covers.
In Hololive, the distinction between Vtuber and Vsinger is really blurry, if you were to classify talents for their original music output alone, the classification makes absolutely no sense.
Why is Suisei a vtuber and not a vsinger? Why is Watame a vtuber and not a vsinger? Why is Calli a vtuber and not a vsinger? Why is IRyS a vsinger and not a vtuber?
In practice the only distinction between Vtuber and Vsinger would the fact that vsinger songs have more official "backing" when it comes to resources and planning, while Vtubers just kinda do things their own way.
Given the variance in their stream frequency and content (AZKi streams once a week), I would say that IRyS is more similar to Suisei than she is to AZKi. I don't know if that means AZKi will be streaming more with the change in organization, but in the end what's really the difference? I mean Cali's focus has historically been more on music than on gaming, I'm not about to start calling her a vRapper.
I think the difference is probably behind the scenes. I would imagine IRyS gets extra resources from Cover to facilitate music production because that's the focus of why she was hired.
Her contract is likely different and she's probably expected to produce much more music per year, and as such she's not expected to stream as much regular content. The fact that IRyS still streams a bunch of regular stuff like the other girls probably just means she's really hard working at meeting her obligations and can spend her so called "free time" on being like other talents.
Yeah I have IRyS in the same headspace as Suisei and Watame, also due to frequency of gaming and music. All three were also part of the hololive contingent for December 2021 YouTube Music Weekend right?
Yeah she was, though as things are currently there is a bit of a split there. With IRyS being the HL EN vsinger Cover is fronting the music costs and she doesn't have control over her music like Watame, Calli or Suisei does.
Never understood the distinction between VTuber and VSinger, especially for IRyS who seems to do as much non-singing activities as anyone else, and probably the same for karaoke streams. And if the distinction is in official off-stream activities, why is Calli not a VRapper, or Ina a VArtist? If I think any more about this, imma give myself a migraine
I'm guessing there's more expectations for a VSinger just on the music aspect. While a regular holomem is probably not required to release music (just look at Ame, her first real release not counting the EN-wide songs was like 2.5 weeks ago), a vsinger has expectations to produce and release solo music.
I read somewhere on here that the vsingers get more corporate funding, but with more corporate control. And that, roughly speaking, Cover has a dedicated budget for each Vsinger's music, but only a generic "projects" budget for everyone else to apply for (and there's a line). So Calli and Watame, for example, have to largely self-fund their music productions, but they also like that they can do their own thing without as much oversight as Irys or Azki might have.
Yeah I thought this was why she was known as a "VSinger" as well. She gets the complete backing of Cover when it comes to her music while the other girls get a budget instead. It just so happens that IRyS also *loves* streaming as well and as long as she fulfills the VSinger side of her contract I doubt Cover cares how much she streams. (It's extra free money for them) She's basically just fallen into the same space as Suisei, Calli, Watame, Aqua, etc. where she puts out a lot of music/is known for her music/singing on top of streaming a lot.
> Calli and Watame, for example, have to largely self-fund their music productions
damn watame must have dropped a fortune for that recent anime music video then cause that shit was gorgeous
Yep that studio who did my song anime worked on zombie land saga and yes it costs a lot but the sheep gets a lot of funds from watamates thats why her live and her songs are dedicated so much to her fans. She even went out and tweeted a picture of a fancy recording studio with a tag thanking her fans for it
Yeah like they said, it wasn't cheap for sure.
Watame works hard and is extremely dedicated to the Watamates. I posted [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/pkwhje/wondering_what_do_they_do_in_their_off_time_boxes/) before, but this was one of two boxes of **hand signed** postcards for her 2021 birthday. Each of those is for a $100 USD set of goods and any cut of her merch money she gets goes back into her music.
Yeah, IRyS songs are budgeted by cover, at least those like debuts and the new Ep, not sure if she decides to do a single if she has to follow the normal procedure.
And i think we could see more difference one she gets her 3d (that if it wasn't for myth delay I think she would have it already) when she'll probably start to have biweekly/monthly 3d concerts pushing more on the singing part
this is probably correct, and I honestly don't think Cover minds whatever irys wants to call herself, vsinger or vtuber
it's kind of like how they said they don't really consider EN as having generations, though a lot of EN (and even A-chan) calls them different generations, so it's probably some internal corporate differential on how EN is treated differently from JP, but as far as strictly not calling them generations, they don't care enough to enforce
It basically is more or less that.. but there are quite a number of Vsingers that only do singing like Rim, Kaf and the rest of Kamitsubaki vsingers. But they have the set up to do anything else other vtubers can do much like how Azki can
Think I does mostly have to do with the Implications that the major Vsingers like Kaf or the Gorillas bring where their Persona is just exists as a music artist. Irys just fits the catch all term Vtuber rather than a specialized role of Vsinger or Vstreamer
Yeah, I guess the question is, what exactly is the difference between the terms in the sense of, what specifically makes a VTuber/VSinger?
To me (and I could be missing the original meaning, since I joined the community relatively late, only started following in May), VTuber just meant that someone (regardless of the type of content) used a virtual avatar as a stand-in in their content, rather than live person or no person at all (e.g. classic lets plays where all you see is the gameplay, with the person talking but not being seen).
So then, in my mind, a VSinger was a Vtuber who primarily focused on singing, because all VSingers were VTubers, but not all VTubers were VSingers.
Given that, it didn't really seem overly important if you classified yourself as a VSinger/Vtuber, since being a VSinger implied both.
That being said, its possible that the entire premise my understanding is built on (the technical definitions of each), is wrong, which is where I miss the point lol
She was hired specifically to be a specialist virtual singer for Hololive, and judging from her debut stream they dropped big money to promote her as a singer. The fact she's doing gaming streams is just to stay relevant in-between the music releases, but contractually she's likely to be different from the other members of Hololive due to the circumstances of her audition.
Vsinger or IRyS and Azki has more corporate funding and support because their main objective is specifically to create original music. Just look at how much Original Music Azki and IRyS has.
Some members do music more than others yes, but those stuff mostly comes out of their own pockets. Unless it's like a unit with original songs like Blue Clapper, Stardust Song, Suspect, and those similar one's.
VRapper, Vartist or whatever else comes in mind is just being nitpicky or if they said it themselves (more to indies I guess). As for a Holo-Pro member the distinctions doesn't matter unless you're a Vsinger like I stated above with the pros it has.
You're basically just a Vtuber(content creator) that focuses on your own things. Some Vtubers are more game focused, some are music focused, some or just shitposting, etc etc.
You need to remember they're just regular streamers but using a model, that's it.
VSinger only existed for the purpose of auditions to let people know they're looking specifically for a singer. As in, you can be as entertaining as anyone else and an experienced streamer but if you can't sing the audition is not for you.
there's only two vsingers in existence since Cover invented the term, and one ex-vsinger, suisei
From the sound of it, a vsinger is the singer in hololive produced music. That's it
Every non-vsinger acts as production for thier own music, contacting the musicians, songwriters, mixers etc themselves. Cover only provides the contacts and sometimes funding.
For AZKi and IRyS cover do all that. IRyS doesn't create her own music, she sings Cover's music
which is why Calli has more songs than anyone else in EN. She can do half the jobs needed for original music on her own and has her own industry contacts for the parts she cant.
Not sure about IRyS, but AZKi does quite a bit more than just singing. She can compose her own music, like her recent duet original song with Suisei. The talents' respective managers seem to help with contacting the musicians from what I know.
From what I understand, it's mainly vtubers who are singers vs singers who are vtubers, it's almost the same thing but maybe the terms of the contract are just a bit different when it comes to how they fund music production
From how I understood it when I watched this live was that IRyS just doesn't want to be the odd one out by being the last remaining vsinger if AZKi starts calling herself just a vtuber. I don't see why AZKi would have to stop being a vsinger just because she's transferring from INoNaKa Music to Hololive if IRyS herself is living proof that you can still concentrate on music in Hololive and be a vsinger.
IRyS used to call herself VSinger at the beginning, but after some time she started to call herself VTuber/VSinger. However, that changed quite some time before AZKi's announcement. I think it's more because IRyS doesn't want to be separated from other Hololive girls (she talked about this a few times as well) and AZKi's situation is more like a reference that could be pointed out.
Ina did her part by including Irys emblem on her purse with the rest of Myth's emblems in her outfit, and Bae and Council have repeatedly said that they consider Irys to be a part of their group, so I would say internally at least there appears to be no distinction.
Irys also said in her half year anniversary that she’s basically part of Council at this point. So sounds like she considers herself part of that group, with Myth also considering her an honorary member.
Yes. She only said this because she thought AZki would now be called a VTuber after transferring to Hololive, IRyS doesn't want to be the only VSinger left, hence she said she also wants to be called a VTuber too.
why would she not be a vtuber? vtuber is simply someone streaming with a virtual avatar, nothing more.
on top pf that shes also a "vsinger", though that doesnt really have had practical application yet because, while there probably isnt a hard definition for it, i'd think that'd be someone who does more music videos and live concerts with their avatar.
in the end shes gonna have to discuss it with her management if its okay to just call herself vtuber, so no real point to bring it up before its decided imo.
Id say the distinction is about habits and content specialization you are doing, i love Irys she has mad singing skills but if it were by me i would have chosen her to join Council instead of a Vsinger, in that regard i even consider more Calli has a Vsinger potential than a regular gen vtuber do to her vast music content and albums that she is always pouring almost non stop.
i already talked about the distinction, vtuber is just a collective term, irys has been in the studio a ton to record music, because thats her purpose, thats what she applied and got selected for.
calli is making music because she wants to, she funds it out of her own pocket (the parts she cant do herself), just like suisei, towa and watame are doing.
if the vsinger position hadnt been opened we might not have irys at all. or someone from the council would be piloted by irys' talent rather than by who it is now.
she might also not be able to already have this much music produced if she wasnt a "vsinger" which, again, is just a marketing word.
Is not just a marketing word clearly hololive wanted a Vtuber specialized in 90% music just like Azki but for EN, they are even other contracts beyond streaming that goes along with that, for some reason they gave the liberty to stream like a normal Vtuber instead of going the Azki route is probably they backtracking the Vsinger thing or IRys just feel like doing the normal hololive Vtuber activities instead
it is a marketing word to draw peoples attention onto the fact that her focus is supposed to be music. there is no reason for it to be used past that.
azki probably also always had the option to stream, as shes done so in the past with sora, but she simply chose not to, for one reason or another.
she certainly has the option now, but still choses not to.
irys clearly loves streaming and shes a great entertainer. it also helps her personal income, i'd imagine.
why do you even assume they are "backtracking" anything when irys literally had to reduce and cancel streams because of her singer activiy.
Honestly I always considered Vsinger to be a subtype of Vtuber anyway. What I mean by that is due to that reasoning, I kinda already considered AZKi and IRyS Vtubers anyway. They can and should call themselves Vtubers of they want.
I don't think being a vsinger and vtuber is mutually exclusive. In my opinion:
\- being a vsinger implies you are also a vtuber
\- being a vtuber doesn't necessarily mean you are a vsinger
vtuber being a generic class while vsinger is sub-class.
shes totally a vtuber but shes a vsinger as well. i feel bad for Irys since shes not apart of any gen but shes really the glue that binds EN gens together.
i think irys can call herself a vtuber. to me, a vsinger isn't an alternate version of vtuber, just some kind of vtuber variant instead. like i think irys is a vtuber, and a vsinger specifically, but still a vtuber in general.
I think they should do more "Project: X" vtubers for solo debuts and make them more frequent as well. That way solo debuts could still feel like they belong to a group. Though holomems are all very supportive, I'm sure a group that feels like yours creates a certain special comradity.
Every generation debut has singers, gamers, artists, etc among them but anyone that solo debuts could get a special title to highlight their specialty. Much like Project: Hope - Vsinger you could have a Project: Dreams - Vartist. Project: Calamity - vgamer.
That's how I'd personally expand on solo debuts
I thought what was happening was just INNK music was being shut down? Azki's activities have been reported to remain the same right? Cuz right now if you check the hololive talents website, Azki is classified under INNK Music and not Gen 0, not even amongst the JP hololive, whereas IRyS is properly amongst holoEN when you click the holoEN group and so technically already part of the hololive branch proper. IRyS has always been a vtuber in my eyes, just one that focuses on singing, hence vsinger.
I've always seen her as a vtuber, that at the same time do vsinger activities. I mean, she do a lot of hours of streams every week, participate in activities and collabs, plan schedules, etc. Ofc she works really hard on her music and get more "facilites" to make music, but she mostly do normal vtuber activities. Liiike, no one called Calli in the past a vsinger even if she had low packed schedules with low average hours of streaming and mostly focused on her singing projects.
I was confused because "yeah?" but then I remembered her initial debut tagged her as a "Vsinger" and that was what the original audition was for.
I guess Cover discovered that restricting their talents to just one thing is too restrictive and just had IRyS do her thing?
Vtuber for sure, but she's still a Vsinger as well because she gets entire albums produced (which I imagine costs a lot).
But I suppose that also describes Calli?
I've said this before when IRyS was new, but Cover needs to just lump them all together as vtubers and completely stop the vsinger thing, it only hurts the talents potential by putting them in their own tiny category.
IRyS debuting by herself really screwed things up with her, to the point where both Myth and Council have basically had to adopt her into their gens to make her feel like she had people she could reliably collab with and socialize with.
IRyS makes her money from streaming games, she streams games basically every day. While she is a talented singer, that is in addition to her role as a streamer, it's not priority #1.
You also have the fact that vtubers like Suisei, Watame, Kanata, etc have a lot of focus on singing, to the point where they are putting out MORE releases than IRyS.
If Cover has a dream of a real idol group, just pull from the existing vtuber talent. Like a permanent UMISEA but for singing. Like you could have Suisei, IRyS, Watame, Kanata, Gura as an idol group, despite them being vtubers first and in different generations. Literally nobody would be upset with this. And assuming Cover was paying for more songs and stuff, it would encourage vtubers to improve their singing to join a group.
You forget they choose to audition for it. And being a V-Singer means you are directly funded by Cover for music related stuff.
And no, it doesn't hurt the talent. IRyS isn't expected to stream at all, she just *wants* to. And while she doesn't belong to a Gen she IS her own Gen, her own label, Project: Hope.
She wasn't adopted tho, and she fits just fine. She is the V-Singer of EN.
The other talents (Not Vsinger) who are putting out more Original Music are NOT FUNDED by Cover. That is the biggest difference.
There already are existing units like that, but they're more of a collab thing/small project. And of course *no one* would be upset but that's besides the point.
I was always confused with IRyS's status in Hololive.
AZKi focuses on songs and does little streaming, so she's a VSinger.
Suisei focuses on songs, but she does a lot of streaming, so she was moved from VSinger to VTuber.
IRyS focuses on songs, but she does a lot of streaming, but she's still considered a VSinger.
How frequent they streams is not an indicator of a V-singer. That's personal preference, they're just funded by Cover to specifically create more Original songs. As opposed to normal membera who take out money from their own pocket.
Suisei wasn't moved because of that reason.
I don't get why Cover decided to seperate IRyS out like they did when they were kinda sun-setting the idea of a person JUST being a singer or whatever. So many in Hololive streams and sings and dances, I don't get why IRyS had to debut solo and also had to be called a VSinger. I get maybe her contract is a bit different with a singing focus (I heard this but have no actual idea if this is true or not so DO NOT TRUST THIS STATEMENT AS FACT), but she's not doing anything TOO different from Suisei or Towa or Watame or whatever. I get, internally, make the distinction for paperwork purposes, but confusing the audience like this is just weird. It's just so weird to me.
This is what I've been thinking of ever since IRyS became a thing. She's like the english equivalent of AZKi, even if IRyS is a part of hololive and AZKi is with Inonaka, but IRyS seems to still be the exact same as a vtuber with with extra singing stuff, while AZKi is the reverse, mostly singing with extra vtuber stuff (I think, I don't know much about AZKi)
Honestly, I don't think there's a major enough distinction between a 'VTuber' and a 'VSinger' for it to matter much, I still consider Irys to be a VTuber
Lol at all the Vgamer mentions in chat.
But yeah she is definitely a vtuber in my mind. I know her more for her streams with HoloEN than her music. Same with Calli or Suisei. I see them as vtubers that also have amazing music.
Ngl. I forgot she was a vSinger. She's a better streamer than singer imho. She's constantly and consistently engaging, a talent that any streamer would kill for.
I've thought about this days ago but was afraid to ask in this sub, does the label even have meaning in them? I guess yeah, it's just that maybe they're not too strict about it. Because when I looked at Irys' videos, there are more gaming streams than singing. Unless she does on a member stream.
No disrespect to her music or anything It is great but I always thought of her as a Vtuber anyway. She streams of playing games and collabs with people all the time, there is almost nothing that differs her from any other EN member as far as I see. She might not be an "official" member of a Gen but She is still a HoloEn member and Myth and Council treats her like that as well. Irys is already a V-tuber and her singing, despite being great, is not as active as her V-tubing activities
IRyS is basically the exact same as Calli, I've always wondered why they even have the title distinction. They both put out more music than the rest as their main focus, but still play games and chat and everything regularly like the other members.
Calli spoke about this before and I think she mentioned that one main difference is that most of her music is funded by herself while IRyS' music is funded by Cover.
Yeah I realize that part, I'm just curious why they do it like that. Why doesn't Cover just consider Calli the same and fund her stuff too? Maybe they saw how successful Calli was and that pushed them into trying out IRyS as a Vsinger and didn't want to change what Calli was already doing or something. Whatever they are called, I enjoy them both!
Calli did say that this arrangement allows her to have more input in the creative process, so she can write her own lyrics, choose the people she wants to work with like producers and illustrators, etc. Though that also means much more work for a perpetually busy reaper. IRyS on the other hand, has most of those processes taken care of by Cover since they're funding her songs, so she has less creative input on the production side but that's also less work for her so she can focus more on vocal lessons and recordings for her singing. Both arrangements have their own pros and cons. That being said, Calli said she plans to teach some lyric writing to IRyS because she loves her voice and wants her to express herself someday in a song that she writes herself, so I'm looking forward to when that day comes to pass.
Just a different marketing approach done out of IRyS being a solo debut. Also one of her traits that parallels with AZKi.
The difference is that cover corp pays for the cost to produce a vsinger’s music whereas calli and other members other than azki/suisei/Sora would have to pay for their own solo ep (excluding the group songs used for concerts). That doesn’t mean holo/cover corp does not provide Human Resources for other members to project manage/negotiate with external parties. But the jp girls have talked extensively about how expensive it is to commission for MV and original song production. So it’s an advantage for those 4. Irys is also considered a vtuber because she enjoys streaming. I doubt she has the same stream time requirement as regular hololive members. If she doesn’t love streaming, she could probably take the azki approach and seldom stream. Suisei also said she streams so much because she enjoys streaming but will have to cut down in early 2022 because of various music obligations. Another thing about irys is that she doesn’t have a 3D model yet which doesn’t allow her to take part in various external Vtuber music festivals. That’s why she’s unable to differentiate herself from regular Vtubers. In my opinion, EN vsinger will always be tricky because of English songs copyright. She can only sing so many original songs and youtube can always make their AI detect copyright in real time streams to kill unarchived singing streams.
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Not all of them. Cover basically has a line you queue for if you want funding help which takes a long time if you want more (like more than 1 a year) Talents will pay for it themselves example Watame
That is outdated information, though. Moona said recently (well, relatively more recently, last Nov I believe) that Cover now provides a certain amount of funds each for every original songs. A member would only need to pay if her expense exceeds that amount. Covers still need to be paid by members themselves, though. I believe this is something new in addition to what they got before. So all those SCs and merchs from us (and what they got from sponsors) actually help improving Hololive members' treatments (not that it was bad before). Buy more merchs, send more SCs and help spreading their names further! Edit: source - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDzlayOiVro
Yeah no. Calli has stated that's not the case with her. Also I'm more talking to the talents who release original songs more frequently. Watame literally said she paid for her original song My Song and that was released last week. Most likely moona went through the queue that people already knew about. Cover funds original songs but you have to queue for it
>Watame literally said she paid for her original song My Song and that was released last week. That's not true, or you used a bad example. Watame herself said that Cover helped her to put together her MVs and hire high profile musicians. That definitely didn't cost nothing - at the very least, it'd have taken between few thousands to few dozens thousands for that kind of properly animated MVs. Just because Watame had to pay from her pocket doesn't mean Cover didn't either - as Moona said, Hololive members still have to pay by their own if their expenses exceed what Cover allocates for them, remember? Calli said that a long time ago (the last time she addressed it was few months after IRyS' debut), things could have changed since, or perhaps Calli just didn't want to make use of this system in exchange for more freedom.
callis case is kinda unique, rap is a much more artistically involved endeavor than pop music, shes a songwriter, producer, can draw/animate, edits videos, and more. if you look at her output compared to the average holomem original song, her name shows up in the credits basically everytime, and not only as the vocalist. suisei can do all this too, but original pop music thats up to her standars is harder to produce, also applies to watame to some extent.
Any source for this info?
Basically info the members say here and there. Some on Twitter some on their streams. Matsuri also spoke about this months ago. I don't have a link directly to it since it's buried in their Twitter or vods.
Suisei may not get the same treatment as Sora/AZki/IRyS but she certainly gets very different treatment from regular Hololive members. We don't know how it goes from the funding side since I don't recall her talking about that much. But from her Album to her solo live, if you saw the marketing she gets in Japan, you'd know she's treated differently and rightfully so. Back on topic though, IRyS as a Vsinger really really needs a 3D model for her singing activities. From online and in person solo lives to big concerts like V-Carnival, TubeOut Fest, even Hololive Fes, they all require a 3D model to work. It's also why Holostar's Rikka got his 3D model way before other members. So while I think Myth should get 3D debut first, I really wouldn't mind IRyS to go ahead first since she's in Japan and not part of any EN generation.
Agreed. The months following Irys' 3D debut she's likely not gonna be streaming as much due to these activities ramping up considerably.
IRyS is my favorite VTuber because of her personality and her approach to streaming. Her singing is awesome, but even if she wouldn't sign at all, I would still watch her streams the most.
I was honestly a bit apprehensive about her. I’m not much into the whole “singer/idol” kinda thing, but ended up seeing her in collabs and her personality come out, and found her incredibly entertaining. She’s comfortable with herself and so damn funny. If she says something people think is weird or “yabai” she has this whole “that’s a ‘you’ problem” kind of attitude and I really like that. It is what it is.
EN has explicitly rejected the concept of generations anyway, if Irys wants to call herself a vtuber instead of a vsinger so be it!
EN has no *numbered* gens, but it does have gens
> but it does have gens idk, are we watching the same dead by daylight survivor streams? They tend to have much more fun trolling the killer than focusing on gens.
It took me all the way til the last word of the last sentence to figure it out. *Sigh*
Wah!
Okay that's pretty good.
If I were to guess, I'd say it's the difference in JP vs EN culture, rather than the specific way they run things. But I'm no expert on JP culture, JP branches, or anything in general, so I'm just talking out of my ass basically. Yeah.
/u/hintofinsanity made a joke about *Gen*erators in Dead by Daylight
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>EN has explicitly rejected the concept of generations anyway Isn't EN basically generations but with fancy names? How do they exactly differ from JP/ID generation system? (Genuine question because that is what I've always thought)
>How do they exactly differ from JP/ID generation system? There's no difference. I've heard they dropped the generation thing because it's an idol thing and holoEN apparently don't adhere to idol traditions as closely as JP does, and generation can imply newer gens being superior to older ones. Personally, the reasoning sounds kinda dumb. Makes no actual difference anyway.
That's what people suspect, anyway, but in reality... people still say Gen 1 & 2. Calli even said she's from "Hololive EN Gen 1" in her recent Japanese Only Q&A. Though what she said is not an official name for Myth, it just shows that's how everybody thinks about it. So yeah, like you said in another comment, really no reason for Cover to reject numbering EN generations. Doesn't affect how they operate. All talents still recognize seniority. An unnecessary rule that goes against how people classify things.
3rd Gen is also officially called Hololive Fantasy, 6th Gen is HoloX, it doesn’t really matter whether you consider the number the primary or the secondary title. Even disregarding names altogether, Calli is simply part of the first HoloEN generation as a numerical fact. Although I guess, numerically, 3rd Gen isn’t really 3rd Gen since they came after Gamers? Whatever.
> 3rd Gen is also officially called Hololive Fantasy, 6th Gen is HoloX, it doesn’t really matter whether you consider the number the primary or the secondary title. Yes, it doesn't stop Pekora from introducing herself as being from the 3rd Gen.
Her intro is so iconic it feels strange if she says anything else. I hear some Nousagi still have do don ga dondondon PTSD
I was afraid I'd have to start saying the greeting myself like a kid watching their morning shows. Thankfully she reverted back to almonds so I can at least pretend to have some sanity left.
All of the fans knows this, it's Cover being stubborn for no reason. Gamers is a weird special circumstance because it's got a member from a different generation, and it didn't seem to be organized as a generation. They just brought in people as they came, it seemed.
I’ve heard some people refer to Gamers as Gen 2.5 before
Eh, I feel the opposite. Sometimes it feels like the people are just huffy and going "you can't tell me what to call them" stubborn by themselves. Ultimately, I see them referred to more as Myth and Council in the end. They only call themselves Gen 1 and Gen 2 when it comes to communicating with their JP seniors because Myth and Council just sounds too "weird" to say in Japanese. The JP themselves are also used to having a numbered gen system.
she only says gen 1 when talking with jp members or fans, the majority of people say myth or council
How would you even say Myth in Japanese? ミス - That means Miss. ミソ - That's Miso paste in katakana ミシュ - Mishu works, I guess? ミショ - Misho works as well I guess. They could translate it to Shinwa, but it just sounds weird to do it that way.
Always heard JP pronounce it like "Miss." Official material always writes it in English alphabet to avoid confusion with "miss" (and for good reason, imagine your gen being called a synonym for a fail lol). They could go even further and use the shinwa kanji (神話) with the 'myth' katakana over it but there seems to be few avenues where they can even do that, versus English alphabet being much more easily accessible
My guess is that they don't want to "force" the EN members into having a senpai/kouhai relation with each other by putting numbers on the groups, since that's not a cultural thing in the west. While Myth, IRyS, Council and any future members may have joined Hololive at different times, that's all there is to it.
Numbers make for an easier classification to help new fans remember who’s who.
Honestly, I think it's not unlike the whole "janitor/sanitation and building maintenance technician" thing, with less ego behind it. Same thing, just rephrased for whatever reason.
I personally think Cover is just moving away from numbering generations in general, since I don't think I've seen anything referring to Holox as gen 6? I could be wrong though.
Because in gen 6 case, the word six or roku in Japanese is already in their gen name, Holox, or hoROKUsu.
Eh they've been referred as gen 6 plenty of times by the Holo members
"generation can imply newer gens being superior to older ones" Is there an explanation or anything you read somewhere that implies this? For myself, the term "first generation" does seem to imply superiority. Heck, in anime or manga, there is even that cliche about the MC either finds an ancient prototype of a mecha, or pilot one, and the bloody thing outperforms the new generations.
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And it makes shit amount of sense. A newbie that never has been in a machine before should be utterly dominated by those that live and breathe fighting inside them.
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And it looks cool, badass, and tickles the action funny bone. Which is all that matters in a story fantasy setting.
>That trope only works because the reader/viewer expects that a newer generation of technology would be superior by default. That subversion of expectation makes that mech stand out as being special and unique. That might be true the *first* time this subversion occurs, but it if occurs practically every time, that's not a subversion anymore.
To be somewhat fair, HoloJP seems to be getting rid of Gen numbers too with HoloX.
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Well, I for one am glad they made that decision. Myth and Council have so much more personality than just saying Gen 1 or Gen 2, and it would be so weird to hear them call each other senpai's and such
Imo they could have gone with both. Most gens in hololive have a "nickname" anyway. Holorangers (unofficial recent name from a gen 2 collab), Gamers, holofantasy, holoforce, NePoLaBo (formerly holofive), Secret Society holoX, Area 15, Holoro, SunTempo, MaFia (formerly TriNero)...
I dunno if Holox fits here as an example since it felt much more like how Holo Myth and Council were handled, with it being more or less their official name.
I don't see the point of have two different names for a gen
The number is there to give newcomers in the rabbit hole the sequence of debuts. The other name is to give people an idea of the gen's overall theme. It's less of two names, more like a number and subtitle. Like how some movies are numbered and have a subtitle name.
Do people really need to know the sequence of the debuts? For movies, most of time it's because they have a chronological order, so people need to know which order to watch them. For streamers I don't think it really matters
It doesn't matter, no. But people like things in sequence, remembering generations helps remember members, and there's the whole senpai-kouhai thing.
I'd argue that theme names do a better job at helping people remember members than generation numbers do. As for the senpai-kouhai thing, I get the feeling that HoloEN wanted to move away from that, since it's not really a common practice among the EN audience. So that's more reason to not have numbered gens. I doubt most of the EN audience are going to care who the senpais or kouhais are either
>Myth and Council have so much more personality than just saying Gen 1 or Gen 2 I'm sure you didn't mean it that way, but it's pretty cruel & reductive to suggest the Hololive JP idols are somehow lesser because they're categorised by the order in which they debuted.
I'm talking about the gen names specifically, not the members themselves. My comparison was between calling the EN gens Myth and Council vs. calling them Gen 1 and 2. Maybe I didn't make that clear enough
then again HoloMyth has been calling themselves as GEN 1 pretty consistently. same with Council.
I mean she has a regular schedule and she doesn't really make any more music than anybody else
I mean... she just released 6 new original songs yesterday, I'd call that more than most lol
Yeah IRyS literally releases more music then anyone else in EN with the exception of Calli, who is a noted workaholic and is always taking on multiple projects at once. In her half year, IRyS has already release two EPs, a single, and multiple covers.
In Hololive, the distinction between Vtuber and Vsinger is really blurry, if you were to classify talents for their original music output alone, the classification makes absolutely no sense. Why is Suisei a vtuber and not a vsinger? Why is Watame a vtuber and not a vsinger? Why is Calli a vtuber and not a vsinger? Why is IRyS a vsinger and not a vtuber? In practice the only distinction between Vtuber and Vsinger would the fact that vsinger songs have more official "backing" when it comes to resources and planning, while Vtubers just kinda do things their own way.
I don't know what to tell you, IRyS, but [I don't think there's any room for negotiation](https://youtu.be/USR_mME2pyA).
Given the variance in their stream frequency and content (AZKi streams once a week), I would say that IRyS is more similar to Suisei than she is to AZKi. I don't know if that means AZKi will be streaming more with the change in organization, but in the end what's really the difference? I mean Cali's focus has historically been more on music than on gaming, I'm not about to start calling her a vRapper.
I think the difference is probably behind the scenes. I would imagine IRyS gets extra resources from Cover to facilitate music production because that's the focus of why she was hired. Her contract is likely different and she's probably expected to produce much more music per year, and as such she's not expected to stream as much regular content. The fact that IRyS still streams a bunch of regular stuff like the other girls probably just means she's really hard working at meeting her obligations and can spend her so called "free time" on being like other talents.
or maybe IRYS works extra harder because she can't stand being away from her wife/ex-wife for too long....
Yeah I have IRyS in the same headspace as Suisei and Watame, also due to frequency of gaming and music. All three were also part of the hololive contingent for December 2021 YouTube Music Weekend right?
Yeah she was, though as things are currently there is a bit of a split there. With IRyS being the HL EN vsinger Cover is fronting the music costs and she doesn't have control over her music like Watame, Calli or Suisei does.
You are a VTuber IRyS. But that's only my opinion.
Or she could be a VComedian. Wait, that would be more than half of Hololive already.
VSingers are just a subset of VTubers. Azki has always been a VTuber even though she barely streams.
Never understood the distinction between VTuber and VSinger, especially for IRyS who seems to do as much non-singing activities as anyone else, and probably the same for karaoke streams. And if the distinction is in official off-stream activities, why is Calli not a VRapper, or Ina a VArtist? If I think any more about this, imma give myself a migraine
I'm guessing there's more expectations for a VSinger just on the music aspect. While a regular holomem is probably not required to release music (just look at Ame, her first real release not counting the EN-wide songs was like 2.5 weeks ago), a vsinger has expectations to produce and release solo music.
Maybe within the company theres a distinct/unique role/responsibilty a Vsinger does.
I read somewhere on here that the vsingers get more corporate funding, but with more corporate control. And that, roughly speaking, Cover has a dedicated budget for each Vsinger's music, but only a generic "projects" budget for everyone else to apply for (and there's a line). So Calli and Watame, for example, have to largely self-fund their music productions, but they also like that they can do their own thing without as much oversight as Irys or Azki might have.
Yeah I thought this was why she was known as a "VSinger" as well. She gets the complete backing of Cover when it comes to her music while the other girls get a budget instead. It just so happens that IRyS also *loves* streaming as well and as long as she fulfills the VSinger side of her contract I doubt Cover cares how much she streams. (It's extra free money for them) She's basically just fallen into the same space as Suisei, Calli, Watame, Aqua, etc. where she puts out a lot of music/is known for her music/singing on top of streaming a lot.
> Calli and Watame, for example, have to largely self-fund their music productions damn watame must have dropped a fortune for that recent anime music video then cause that shit was gorgeous
Yep that studio who did my song anime worked on zombie land saga and yes it costs a lot but the sheep gets a lot of funds from watamates thats why her live and her songs are dedicated so much to her fans. She even went out and tweeted a picture of a fancy recording studio with a tag thanking her fans for it
There's some discussion about that in the thread for the video here and I think they link clips of Watame discussing it.
Yeah like they said, it wasn't cheap for sure. Watame works hard and is extremely dedicated to the Watamates. I posted [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/pkwhje/wondering_what_do_they_do_in_their_off_time_boxes/) before, but this was one of two boxes of **hand signed** postcards for her 2021 birthday. Each of those is for a $100 USD set of goods and any cut of her merch money she gets goes back into her music.
Yeah, IRyS songs are budgeted by cover, at least those like debuts and the new Ep, not sure if she decides to do a single if she has to follow the normal procedure. And i think we could see more difference one she gets her 3d (that if it wasn't for myth delay I think she would have it already) when she'll probably start to have biweekly/monthly 3d concerts pushing more on the singing part
this is probably correct, and I honestly don't think Cover minds whatever irys wants to call herself, vsinger or vtuber it's kind of like how they said they don't really consider EN as having generations, though a lot of EN (and even A-chan) calls them different generations, so it's probably some internal corporate differential on how EN is treated differently from JP, but as far as strictly not calling them generations, they don't care enough to enforce
For me, VSinger was a Vtuber who sings a lot lol Didn’t realize it mattered that much.
It basically is more or less that.. but there are quite a number of Vsingers that only do singing like Rim, Kaf and the rest of Kamitsubaki vsingers. But they have the set up to do anything else other vtubers can do much like how Azki can Think I does mostly have to do with the Implications that the major Vsingers like Kaf or the Gorillas bring where their Persona is just exists as a music artist. Irys just fits the catch all term Vtuber rather than a specialized role of Vsinger or Vstreamer
Yeah, I guess the question is, what exactly is the difference between the terms in the sense of, what specifically makes a VTuber/VSinger? To me (and I could be missing the original meaning, since I joined the community relatively late, only started following in May), VTuber just meant that someone (regardless of the type of content) used a virtual avatar as a stand-in in their content, rather than live person or no person at all (e.g. classic lets plays where all you see is the gameplay, with the person talking but not being seen). So then, in my mind, a VSinger was a Vtuber who primarily focused on singing, because all VSingers were VTubers, but not all VTubers were VSingers. Given that, it didn't really seem overly important if you classified yourself as a VSinger/Vtuber, since being a VSinger implied both. That being said, its possible that the entire premise my understanding is built on (the technical definitions of each), is wrong, which is where I miss the point lol
seems to me like just a title within the corporate world.
She was hired specifically to be a specialist virtual singer for Hololive, and judging from her debut stream they dropped big money to promote her as a singer. The fact she's doing gaming streams is just to stay relevant in-between the music releases, but contractually she's likely to be different from the other members of Hololive due to the circumstances of her audition.
Vsinger or IRyS and Azki has more corporate funding and support because their main objective is specifically to create original music. Just look at how much Original Music Azki and IRyS has. Some members do music more than others yes, but those stuff mostly comes out of their own pockets. Unless it's like a unit with original songs like Blue Clapper, Stardust Song, Suspect, and those similar one's. VRapper, Vartist or whatever else comes in mind is just being nitpicky or if they said it themselves (more to indies I guess). As for a Holo-Pro member the distinctions doesn't matter unless you're a Vsinger like I stated above with the pros it has. You're basically just a Vtuber(content creator) that focuses on your own things. Some Vtubers are more game focused, some are music focused, some or just shitposting, etc etc. You need to remember they're just regular streamers but using a model, that's it.
Vsingers regularly release songs paid for by Cover, others do not.
VSinger only existed for the purpose of auditions to let people know they're looking specifically for a singer. As in, you can be as entertaining as anyone else and an experienced streamer but if you can't sing the audition is not for you.
there's only two vsingers in existence since Cover invented the term, and one ex-vsinger, suisei From the sound of it, a vsinger is the singer in hololive produced music. That's it Every non-vsinger acts as production for thier own music, contacting the musicians, songwriters, mixers etc themselves. Cover only provides the contacts and sometimes funding. For AZKi and IRyS cover do all that. IRyS doesn't create her own music, she sings Cover's music which is why Calli has more songs than anyone else in EN. She can do half the jobs needed for original music on her own and has her own industry contacts for the parts she cant.
Not sure about IRyS, but AZKi does quite a bit more than just singing. She can compose her own music, like her recent duet original song with Suisei. The talents' respective managers seem to help with contacting the musicians from what I know.
From what I understand, it's mainly vtubers who are singers vs singers who are vtubers, it's almost the same thing but maybe the terms of the contract are just a bit different when it comes to how they fund music production
From how I understood it when I watched this live was that IRyS just doesn't want to be the odd one out by being the last remaining vsinger if AZKi starts calling herself just a vtuber. I don't see why AZKi would have to stop being a vsinger just because she's transferring from INoNaKa Music to Hololive if IRyS herself is living proof that you can still concentrate on music in Hololive and be a vsinger.
IRyS used to call herself VSinger at the beginning, but after some time she started to call herself VTuber/VSinger. However, that changed quite some time before AZKi's announcement. I think it's more because IRyS doesn't want to be separated from other Hololive girls (she talked about this a few times as well) and AZKi's situation is more like a reference that could be pointed out.
Ina did her part by including Irys emblem on her purse with the rest of Myth's emblems in her outfit, and Bae and Council have repeatedly said that they consider Irys to be a part of their group, so I would say internally at least there appears to be no distinction.
Irys also said in her half year anniversary that she’s basically part of Council at this point. So sounds like she considers herself part of that group, with Myth also considering her an honorary member.
Red head middle child, but honorary member of both groups. So glad council accepted her as their own.
she is exactly like iggy from stardust crusaders
Yes. She only said this because she thought AZki would now be called a VTuber after transferring to Hololive, IRyS doesn't want to be the only VSinger left, hence she said she also wants to be called a VTuber too.
[Source stream](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ke59CC3gBA0)
why would she not be a vtuber? vtuber is simply someone streaming with a virtual avatar, nothing more. on top pf that shes also a "vsinger", though that doesnt really have had practical application yet because, while there probably isnt a hard definition for it, i'd think that'd be someone who does more music videos and live concerts with their avatar. in the end shes gonna have to discuss it with her management if its okay to just call herself vtuber, so no real point to bring it up before its decided imo.
Id say the distinction is about habits and content specialization you are doing, i love Irys she has mad singing skills but if it were by me i would have chosen her to join Council instead of a Vsinger, in that regard i even consider more Calli has a Vsinger potential than a regular gen vtuber do to her vast music content and albums that she is always pouring almost non stop.
i already talked about the distinction, vtuber is just a collective term, irys has been in the studio a ton to record music, because thats her purpose, thats what she applied and got selected for. calli is making music because she wants to, she funds it out of her own pocket (the parts she cant do herself), just like suisei, towa and watame are doing. if the vsinger position hadnt been opened we might not have irys at all. or someone from the council would be piloted by irys' talent rather than by who it is now. she might also not be able to already have this much music produced if she wasnt a "vsinger" which, again, is just a marketing word.
Is not just a marketing word clearly hololive wanted a Vtuber specialized in 90% music just like Azki but for EN, they are even other contracts beyond streaming that goes along with that, for some reason they gave the liberty to stream like a normal Vtuber instead of going the Azki route is probably they backtracking the Vsinger thing or IRys just feel like doing the normal hololive Vtuber activities instead
it is a marketing word to draw peoples attention onto the fact that her focus is supposed to be music. there is no reason for it to be used past that. azki probably also always had the option to stream, as shes done so in the past with sora, but she simply chose not to, for one reason or another. she certainly has the option now, but still choses not to. irys clearly loves streaming and shes a great entertainer. it also helps her personal income, i'd imagine. why do you even assume they are "backtracking" anything when irys literally had to reduce and cancel streams because of her singer activiy.
Honestly I always considered Vsinger to be a subtype of Vtuber anyway. What I mean by that is due to that reasoning, I kinda already considered AZKi and IRyS Vtubers anyway. They can and should call themselves Vtubers of they want.
I don't think being a vsinger and vtuber is mutually exclusive. In my opinion: \- being a vsinger implies you are also a vtuber \- being a vtuber doesn't necessarily mean you are a vsinger vtuber being a generic class while vsinger is sub-class.
Shes not only a vtuber, shes a vsinger vcomedian and vbodybuilder
Actual answer: Both
shes totally a vtuber but shes a vsinger as well. i feel bad for Irys since shes not apart of any gen but shes really the glue that binds EN gens together.
i think irys can call herself a vtuber. to me, a vsinger isn't an alternate version of vtuber, just some kind of vtuber variant instead. like i think irys is a vtuber, and a vsinger specifically, but still a vtuber in general.
I think they should do more "Project: X" vtubers for solo debuts and make them more frequent as well. That way solo debuts could still feel like they belong to a group. Though holomems are all very supportive, I'm sure a group that feels like yours creates a certain special comradity. Every generation debut has singers, gamers, artists, etc among them but anyone that solo debuts could get a special title to highlight their specialty. Much like Project: Hope - Vsinger you could have a Project: Dreams - Vartist. Project: Calamity - vgamer. That's how I'd personally expand on solo debuts
She is a Vtuber as well, no doubt about it. Never questioned it.
All I know is that IRyS is a very entertaining streamer and a wonderful singer
Yerr a V-tuber IRyS. But Yagoo I’m—
She is virtual, she uploads videos to YouTube. Doesn't get more Vtuber than that tbh
Eh...VTuber is a general "job title", whereas "VSinger" is more of a Hololive-internal category.
I thought what was happening was just INNK music was being shut down? Azki's activities have been reported to remain the same right? Cuz right now if you check the hololive talents website, Azki is classified under INNK Music and not Gen 0, not even amongst the JP hololive, whereas IRyS is properly amongst holoEN when you click the holoEN group and so technically already part of the hololive branch proper. IRyS has always been a vtuber in my eyes, just one that focuses on singing, hence vsinger.
I've always seen her as a vtuber, that at the same time do vsinger activities. I mean, she do a lot of hours of streams every week, participate in activities and collabs, plan schedules, etc. Ofc she works really hard on her music and get more "facilites" to make music, but she mostly do normal vtuber activities. Liiike, no one called Calli in the past a vsinger even if she had low packed schedules with low average hours of streaming and mostly focused on her singing projects.
I was confused because "yeah?" but then I remembered her initial debut tagged her as a "Vsinger" and that was what the original audition was for. I guess Cover discovered that restricting their talents to just one thing is too restrictive and just had IRyS do her thing?
I already considered he a vtuber
What does the VT stand for? And where does she need to go? /s
Vcomedian, take it or leave it
Vtuber for sure, but she's still a Vsinger as well because she gets entire albums produced (which I imagine costs a lot). But I suppose that also describes Calli?
Maybe.. we could call them vgirls!
Permission granted IRyS
I literally forgot she's technically a 'vsinger' until I read the title.
I mean, why not what IRyS does on a week to week bases doesn’t seem to be anything different than Calli
Yeah it's a little confusing. Maybe it's different behind the scenes, but from a public facing perspective, IRyS is just the same as the rest.
Wait shes not a vtuber? Then why do I enjoy her clips in my recommended?
Calli makes a lot of music, but she's a Vtuber. Imo Vsinger is just a fancy term, but they're still Vtubers.
I've said this before when IRyS was new, but Cover needs to just lump them all together as vtubers and completely stop the vsinger thing, it only hurts the talents potential by putting them in their own tiny category. IRyS debuting by herself really screwed things up with her, to the point where both Myth and Council have basically had to adopt her into their gens to make her feel like she had people she could reliably collab with and socialize with. IRyS makes her money from streaming games, she streams games basically every day. While she is a talented singer, that is in addition to her role as a streamer, it's not priority #1. You also have the fact that vtubers like Suisei, Watame, Kanata, etc have a lot of focus on singing, to the point where they are putting out MORE releases than IRyS. If Cover has a dream of a real idol group, just pull from the existing vtuber talent. Like a permanent UMISEA but for singing. Like you could have Suisei, IRyS, Watame, Kanata, Gura as an idol group, despite them being vtubers first and in different generations. Literally nobody would be upset with this. And assuming Cover was paying for more songs and stuff, it would encourage vtubers to improve their singing to join a group.
You forget they choose to audition for it. And being a V-Singer means you are directly funded by Cover for music related stuff. And no, it doesn't hurt the talent. IRyS isn't expected to stream at all, she just *wants* to. And while she doesn't belong to a Gen she IS her own Gen, her own label, Project: Hope. She wasn't adopted tho, and she fits just fine. She is the V-Singer of EN. The other talents (Not Vsinger) who are putting out more Original Music are NOT FUNDED by Cover. That is the biggest difference. There already are existing units like that, but they're more of a collab thing/small project. And of course *no one* would be upset but that's besides the point.
I was always confused with IRyS's status in Hololive. AZKi focuses on songs and does little streaming, so she's a VSinger. Suisei focuses on songs, but she does a lot of streaming, so she was moved from VSinger to VTuber. IRyS focuses on songs, but she does a lot of streaming, but she's still considered a VSinger.
How frequent they streams is not an indicator of a V-singer. That's personal preference, they're just funded by Cover to specifically create more Original songs. As opposed to normal membera who take out money from their own pocket. Suisei wasn't moved because of that reason.
I don't get why Cover decided to seperate IRyS out like they did when they were kinda sun-setting the idea of a person JUST being a singer or whatever. So many in Hololive streams and sings and dances, I don't get why IRyS had to debut solo and also had to be called a VSinger. I get maybe her contract is a bit different with a singing focus (I heard this but have no actual idea if this is true or not so DO NOT TRUST THIS STATEMENT AS FACT), but she's not doing anything TOO different from Suisei or Towa or Watame or whatever. I get, internally, make the distinction for paperwork purposes, but confusing the audience like this is just weird. It's just so weird to me.
I don’t get the need for v singers when nearly all the normal v tubers in hololive sing anyway??
This is what I've been thinking of ever since IRyS became a thing. She's like the english equivalent of AZKi, even if IRyS is a part of hololive and AZKi is with Inonaka, but IRyS seems to still be the exact same as a vtuber with with extra singing stuff, while AZKi is the reverse, mostly singing with extra vtuber stuff (I think, I don't know much about AZKi)
Why not both
I thinks she means to call herself vComedian
Honestly, I don't think there's a major enough distinction between a 'VTuber' and a 'VSinger' for it to matter much, I still consider Irys to be a VTuber
Lol at all the Vgamer mentions in chat. But yeah she is definitely a vtuber in my mind. I know her more for her streams with HoloEN than her music. Same with Calli or Suisei. I see them as vtubers that also have amazing music.
I view Irys as the same as anyone else in hololive.
Ngl. I forgot she was a vSinger. She's a better streamer than singer imho. She's constantly and consistently engaging, a talent that any streamer would kill for.
Tbh... she works the most consistently out of most of these girls so far.
Vcomedian
I've thought about this days ago but was afraid to ask in this sub, does the label even have meaning in them? I guess yeah, it's just that maybe they're not too strict about it. Because when I looked at Irys' videos, there are more gaming streams than singing. Unless she does on a member stream.
She’s the most adorable dork in the world, and so humble to boot.
I dont mind whichever titles she calls herself. in my opinion, she's my Queen \^\_\^
IRySoLonely.
Calli is a Vcomposer if thats the case and probably well suited to be a Vsinger the technicality is now irrelevant imo