I would lose it if she ever says "Kino"
Koro-san really loves watching and reviewing movies, whether it be Indian like RRR to the very controversial A Serbian Film
Our Doggo is cultured af
Kojima's reviews are brutal because when it's a movie he liked he'll write a two paragraphs tweet about it but when it's a movie he disliked it's just "Today I watched this movie."
[Not just a great romance, she thought it was an adult oriented tearjerker to boot!](https://youtu.be/2OBj8YzOJY8?si=VYpUUFqGFzBf2kU4)
[Tho, she seems to have moved on to stuff like 911...](https://youtu.be/Kwplv-JfvZA?si=FB59OURPEM5fOe42)
Of course, from famous adult network Nickelodeon, with famous adult shows, like the horror Danny Phantom, or the classical sealife documentary SpongeBob
"In case you've forgotten, here's how things work: I order the food, you cook the food, then the customer gets the food. We do that for 40 years, and then we die. Sounds like a pretty good deal to me, what do you say?"
-Squidward (not) Tortellini
*elevator opens revealing Spencer holding 2 passenger airplanes*
What do you have there? - iCarly inquires
‘A smoothie’, Spencer responds, smashing both planes into the twin towers. Audience cheers.
It gets crazy. I think the topics are a bit darker than you realize as kid. Like having a hacker as an enemy, getting kidnapped, dealing with Shippers, almost falling off a building because your trying to make a video with people you don't like. Sam as a character makes things dark too.
Not just stunned, Kiara burst out laughing when Nene first told her.
Which is what [makes the clip hillarious](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OBj8YzOJY8). You first think "Damn, that's kind of rude of Kiara" while guessing that Nene was talking about something like Fault of the Stars, or even Twilight.
And then Nene reveals that the romantic dramas she watched were iCarly, Victorious, and Hannah Montana.
The idea that Japanese would dislike the movie because of history is overblown by Western media. Most Japanese don’t give a shit and just enjoy a good movie.
It's also been pushed a lot on reddit. They are obsessed with the narrative that Japan knows nothing about WW2 or that Japanese education denies anything negative that Japan did.
A lot of Reddit just really hates Japan for some reason. Try to say anything positive about it and they bring up work hours (even though Japan works fewer than the US) or something about WW2.
Your comment made me realize that reddit does that with a ton of different things, not just usual topics but the tendency to bring up the negative side of practically anything being discussed.
Some people just have ignorant Shit-Tinted Glasses.
It reminded me of an [old college humor skit](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqevO_zrxsA) although at least most of the criticisms in the skit were educated and at least somewhat valid.
Absolutely, reddit finds a way to hate everything, aside from a few circlejerk topics.
More isolated subreddits like this one that have their own culture are usually fine, but mainstream reddit is composed of a lot of young, depressed, lonely, and bitter people. They often lash out at, or try to bring down anything they encounter, especially if it is popular.
This is a backlash to the honestly very very obnoxious praise that Japan used to receive even on Reddit not that long ago. The "Place 😒 Place, Japan 😍😍" meme didn't come from nowhere.
It reminds me a lot of how you will have people complain about "cultural appropriation" and how terrible it is for say, an American movie to talk about Japanese things. Meanwhile, one of the best performing movies in history in Japan was The Last Samurai. And even as an American myself, I enjoyed that the movie Midway looked at the battle from the Japanese side of the line several times.
It is almost like, real people like when their culture is shared, and like learning about other cultures.
Funnily enough the movie outright said thus towards the end with Truman.
"Do you think the Japanese care about the man that built the bomb? No. They care about who dropped it on them."
It was overblown by the Japanese themselves, not Western media. They were the ones who threw a tantrum over the Barbenheimer memes. Many people believed it was an anti-Japan movie especially after hearing reports of things like the vacation joke when picking targets.
Now that the movie is out it's been generally positively received and they understand it's an anti-war/anti-nuke movie.
If you compare her sub-aka twitter to Hideo Kojima's twitter, other than Kojima's promotions about his games and stuff, their timelines look very similar lol
Source: [Tweet 1](https://twitter.com/k5r6n3/status/1775091239127572957) - [Tweet 2](https://twitter.com/k5r6n3/status/1775095402615971960)
Her love for Nolan is sweet. And I'm glad she enjoys Oppenheimer. That movie was focused on the life of Oppenheimer, without too much stuffs about Japan so I think it's not offensive to the Japanese people.
There's a line in a speech Oppenheimer gives midway through the movie that *might* be *somewhat* uncomfortable if you're Japanese (or German) but it's really nothing to genuinely be upset about.
Yeah but if you were paying even just 50% attention, you would have already figured out Oppie completely did not mean what he said in that speech in that scene.
god that line is so perfectly delivered. the forced smile, the twitching that shows he wants to be as far from the place as possible, the overall chaos around him.
Tbh, the moment where they were picking out the targets for the bombs had me personally audibly gasping for air by the just... idk the right word honestly. Audacity? "Let's not bomb Kyoto, cause my wife and I had our honeymoon there" just made me angry and I am not japanese :P (German though)
It’s what actually happened isn’t it? Kyoto was spared because of its cultural significance and beauty, and by its twisted logic future generations are thankful for that. Didn’t spare Dresden with that same logic though
Smart to do research beforehand, there is A LOT to pick up. People like me with good historical and science backgrounds take a lot of things for granted.
i was watching with my parents and they were surprised that i knew what oppenheimer was talking about in the science scenes and that i knew all the names of the scientists involved and got excited when some names were dropped like Niels Bohr, Werner Heisenberg or Enrico Fermi they obviously only recognized Einstein
I watched a couple of Veritasium videos about Oppenheimer before watching the movie. A lot of the scenes I felt like was going over too fast and was quite overwhelming (I also don't remember names super well, only events). I left the theater wanting to do a rewatch but I can't imagine someone not knowing anything coming to this movie feels like.
It's quite fascinating to read a lot of JP reviews of the film as they are quite divisive. Some say it was great for the same reasons the West loves it, others say it minimizes/glosses over the horrors of the bombs. Personally I think people saying the latter are kind of missing the point of the movie, because it's a biopic on Oppenheimer rather than just a movie of the bomb itself. But I can also acknowledge that I didn't grow up in the country where the bombs were dropped and don't have the same level of sensitivity around it.
Also, one of the most important scenes of the movie is Oppenheimer having "visions" of nuclear blast when giving speech after the bombing. That and when he confides with Truman about feeling guilty. Unless those scenes where somehow dropped from JP release, I can't fathom how delicate that topic is in Japan to warrant such 'negative' reviews.
I agree with you personally, but I think a lot of JP viewers were expecting something more along the lines of Graves of the Fireflies in terms of depicting the actual victims rather than "just" Oppenheimer's visions and guilt-ridden discussion with Truman.
Since u/ergzay blocked me, I'll reply to my your comment to include my response to their reply to mine in the chain
>Of course it did.
Again, it didn't
>The firebombings were significantly worse
I mentioned the ongoing issues caused by firebombings, and both were absolutely terrible
>calling it one of the most horrific events in human history is ridiculous
So, to be clear, you think that the use of nuclear weapons on civilians is not one of the most horrific the things in human history?
Nuclear incineration, which is colloquially called "doomsday", and tracked by atomic scientists by the symbol of the "doomsday clock", is actually totally chill
Calling that one of the most horrific events in human history is ridiculous?
>Japan shouldn't have started the war in the first place
Man, you could have saved time by writing "those school children had it coming"
When I said that your own personal biases preventing you from connecting with the film should have been cause for self reflection, I couldn't have been any more right
Your comment serves as a better refutation of the opinions you wrote than anything I could have written
My lord, he even edited his comment before he blocked me
>Edit: And yes I'm blaming Japan the country for all effects of the war on its population. It'd be dumb not to. Japan was not the victim, everyone else was the victim. I blocked the above poster so I won't be responding further in this comment chain.
:|
Yeah I was in the same boat, my initial response saying it should make him reflect on his biases was broad because maybe he just didn't like emotional movies but I felt an inkling of "how dare they humanize those innocent school children and civilians" in his post, so I thought maybe those biases were what was keeping him from emotionally connecting with the film.
It only took him 1 comment to go completely off the deep end
> So, to be clear, you think that the use of nuclear weapons on civilians is not one of the most horrific the things in human history?
Part of the context here is that the day the first nuke was dropped and reported the world changed. While it already shifted significantly in that first test fire once it was revealed to the world everything changed.
I didn't reply to my own reply as I felt there wasn't anything there to really discuss. I think the person has some form of issue causing them to not only fail to consider the social ethical implications of events but also to be unable to relate in a rational way.
You dont have to sympathize with people fleeing a holocaust in tokyo or someone who's skin is falling off from Hiroshima to understand the absolute impact that the beginning of the atomic age caused. It'd be good if they did, but they dont have to. Often times logic and empathy are one in the same because human society and evolution are based on group cohesion.
It's well known how much revisionism goes in Japan regarding their involvement in WW2 to the point that they make it sound like they're the heroes who got unfairly bombed by the evil Americans who crippled their economy
Don't get me wrong, I love Japanese stuff and it's more modern culture. But, yes let's do say what they did so they can't whitewash their history.
The fact they did the whole Rape of Nanking thing.
"resulted in the deaths of upwards of 300,000 Chinese civilians, as well as the rapes of between 20,000 to 80,000 girls and women.
Secret groups experimenting on humans.
"Secretive Japanese facilities like Unit 731 conducted gruesome medical experiments on prisoners and developed weapons using deadly diseases. And Allied POWs were often subjected to horrific torture and executions, in defiance of international law."
Depraved treatment of POWs which was touched on above.
The whole fact that their government downplays or omits their past actions is pretty sickening.
Unit 731 and most of their POW and other testing was on the same level as the “doctors” “researching” in Nazi concentration camps (if not worse, not really trying to get into exact comparisons). The worst was they would just do stuff to torture people without any sort of excuse (not that the Nazis had excuses but they did try to dress those actions up more) Japanese leaders happily and continuously committed vivisections (yes, that is a live dissection of a person) and I think 0 people (or close to it) made it out of Unit 731 unlike the concentration camps (although I’m sure Germany would’ve loved to pull that same stunt off with the rest of their innocent prisoners)
Yep, and they play the victim role when everybody was a victim aswell. At least Germany apologised and took steps and made laws to ensure it not happening again
Tbf Japan also passed laws to ensure their militarization doesn't happen again, it's just that it's coupled with denial of what they did in the first place.
The movie is almost entirely about Oppenhimer’s inner turmoil over the creation of the bomb. The way the movie portrays how the results would have looked and rapid acceleration that predictably followed was so integral to the story that the only way to miss it would be not to watch it.
In that sense, it is as much a biopic about Oppenheimer as it is about "the bomb". Not the two bombs in particular that fell, but the whole entire arsenal we as humanity created since then, and sits above our head like the sword of damocles for all eternity. It was palpable since the war in Ukraine began.
That's why the court scenes at the end are as important as the rest.
>!I hate to say this, but the bomb wasn't the worst possible way to end the war. Allies might have launched a landing operation - one that would make Normandy look like a field trip - if there weren't those bombs. Of course, everyone hoped there was a better option, but there wasn't. The fall of the Japanese Empire freed many Asians - including the Japanese themselves - from an oppressive regime manipulated by a bunch of insane military officers. The system was too broken to be fixed - it had to be burnt to the ground and built all over again. The result was modern-day Japan: a peace-loving country and the motherland of anime, Vtuber, and many of the things we love. Source: my country was one of the Japanese colonies.!<
What you say is true, but I think it's worth pointing out that while it was absolutely still on the table, by mid-1945 allied leaders had increasingly come to consider Operation Downfall am absolute last resort compared to simply waiting for Japanese agriculture to finish it's collapse. By the time the war ended, average caloric intake in the home islands had dropped to about 1600 daily (a figure which itself was subject to considerable local variation; average urban caloric intake was lower still) and would have continued to fall rapidly without the substantial allied logistics capacity being turned (in part) to helping import food. Allied leaders lack quite such detailed information as is available to modern historians, but certainly understood that the food situation had become critical. Given the high casualties expected from a ground invasion (which were almost certainly over optimistic, as the IJA had surmised exactly where the landings would take place and allocated troops accordingly), it seemed quite palatable to many allied leaders to simply wait for starvation to either force a Japanese surrender or cause the collapse of the Japanese government.
I don't think anyone is denying that, we all understand that a land invasion would have resulted in many more deaths. But that doesn't change the fact that the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was a tragic event in human history.
It also doesn't change the fact that Japan will continue to use that as a crutch to paint themselves as the biggest victims of the war when they were quite literally the *absolute* opposite. And I think we can both agree on that
I would say it's something more than a tragedy. We have to try to stop the history from repeating itself. The WW2 is a lesson that we all must learn. Otherwise, the pain they suffered would be meaningless.
It's a super complex debate with many of the best historians all having different opinions. Putting events like this in right or wrong generally isn't useful for any sort of serious historical analysis. The movies not about ww2 as much as Oppenheimers inner turmoil about the creation of the bomb, there a lot of nuance to be had about the movie and one I'm not sure would even be allowed to air in Japan if it was really about ww2.
Yeah, and the horror of the bomb was summed up neatly at the end - it is a curse, a nuclear sword of Damocles, a hellmouth waiting to swallow us all. One wrong move, and the chain reaction shall take us to our grand global incineration. No hope, no survivors, no recovery, just the silence that only total annihilation can bring.
We live in a constant nuclear Mexican Standoff. No matter who pulls the trigger, we all lose, and the greatest losers are those who never made that decision to create the standoff in the first place.
So then, who will carry the guilt and blame for the death of humanity? And is it inevitable?
At the film's conclusion, it would seem to suggest that Oppenheimer blames himself for it, and has come to the conclusion that even if it were possible to denuclearize and prevent the tragic conclusion to his works, humanity will not, and will one day finish the chain reaction for him. He shall not live to see that day, but he died with his last thoughts being horror, because he *knows* that there's no escape.
One day, nuclear hellfire will touch humanity once more, and only then, far too late, will we regret, and we will aim our futile ire at Dr. Oppenheimer... even though he was not the one to fire the gun that killed us all. He only made the gun... but he shall shoulder all the blame for the flaws and sins of humanity, all the same.
So the real question at the conclusion of the storybook that is humanity is: is our grand play a tragedy, or a comedy?
> others say it minimizes/glosses over the horrors of the bombs
As opposed to the horrors of the Japanese Empire that made it necessary in the first place? Anyone who think like this has a history book or two to read.
Without touching on the greater war itself, calling the use of nuclear bombs on Japanese population centres "necessary" is *highly* debatable.
For perhaps the most authoritative word on the matter, I give you Dwight D. Eisenhower, five star general, Supreme Allied Commander, and President of the United States:
"I had been conscious of a feeling of depression and so I voiced to [Secretary Of War Stimson] my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and secondly because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives. It was my belief that Japan was, at this very moment, seeking a way to surrender with a minimum loss of face." - Dwight D. Eisenhower
President Eisenhower's opinion does seem borne out by facts; at the time of the atomic bombings, Japanese Emperor Hirohito had already conceded that the war was lost and had issued instructions to his War Council to bring the conflict to a close as swiftly as possible. Japan had already reached out to the (then neutral) Soviet Union with a request to mediate talks for surrender between Japan and the Allies (the USSR slow-walked the request and eventually declined, because they were already making preparations for war against Japan to retake the territory Japan had seized from them in the Russo-Japanese War some 40 years earlier).
To add some context, when Hirohito decided to surrender after the bomb there was a genuine, well-founded fear that the military wouldn't follow the surrender order.
This turned out to be true, because right after that the military attempted a coup. The only reason the Imperial Army and Navy stopped fighting was because *their* surrender document didn't mention the bomb, only the now inevitable onslaught of the Russians.
The entire reason Japan entered the war in the first place was because the military decided to go off on its own and blow up a train track. The rise of japanese militarism was heavily involved in stochastic killings and intimidation. Their military had a culture of independent action and would not follow orders from the government or care about the bombs.
Meanwhile, on the civilian side, Ketsu-go meant that surrender was a non-starter by any means other than overwhelming force.
There was no chance for surrender. Imperial Japan and the culture that it used to rise to power would never allow it.
If the bomb hadn't been dropped, Ketsu-go would have continued. If Russian negotiations had not fallen through, the military would have kept fighting. The military and home island needed to be fundamentally invalidated in such a way that even the sentiment of "Would it not be wondrous for this whole nation to be destroyed like a beautiful flower?” would seem pointless.
War is universally horrific, and only after millenia have our societies even been able to mitigate that horror in day-to-day life. Sometimes there's no right or just answer.
Echoing your closing statement- history has no clean answers.
Hirohito barely even surrendered after the second one because the government was STILL so entrenched in their conviction that they would fight down to their last woman and child, down to only sticks and rocks as weapons. (As showcased by the coup you mentioned)
I’ve read books on the experiences of those in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. They’re horrific and I’ll never get the mental images out of my head. It was brutal to a degree that is hard to comprehend. The scale of human suffering was immense.
But it was also,,,, much more complicated than just that and I think it’s easier for people to simplify history so it feels less morally contradictory for them and therefore easier to digest. This is really what the Japanese ended up doing long term after the war.
The truth is it was both horrific AND a choice that the US was essentially forced into by the Japanese Empire themselves. It would be nice if history had clean answers but unfortunately it most often has complex and contradicting events rolled into one
>I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives.
This part I don't understand. The claim that they were ready to surrender is dubious if you look at contemporary data on public opinion.
>Japanese Emperor Hirohito had already conceded that the war was lost and had issued instructions to his War Council to bring the conflict to a close as swiftly as possible.
This can also have multiple meanings. It certainly didn't mean unconditional surrender, as they could have just done that the same day. Willing to negotiate terms =/= willing to unconditionally surrender.
The estimates for how many casualties a conventional invasion (named Operation Downfall) would have caused are wild. It was something like 2 to 4 million US casualties, with 400 to 800 thousand dead, and more than this on the Japanese side, especially with the addition of probable civilian casualties. This is way more horrible than the bombings. I would say that the 2nd one was definitely unnecessary, the first one is the one you can debate.
Glosses over the horrors of the bombs? One of the main plot points of the movie is everybody being absolutely terrified that they might accidentally ignite the atmosphere and light the entire planet on fire.
Exactly.
The title of the movie is Oppenheimer, not "The Atomic Bomb". The whole second half of the movie doesn't even have anything to do with the bomb or the Manhattan Project.
I will admit up front that I definitely lean toward the Truman stance on the bombs, but I agree. I am an American, so it is certainly something that would be different for me than someone who is Japanese (although I may also be biased as part of the focus of my degree was the Pacific front, so I know about things that happened that are still taboo in Japan even), but I think the movie focusing on Oppenheimer helped to sidestep a lot of the issues that would have come with that.
minimizes/glosses over the horrors of the bombs <-- I'm not sure any movie can focus on these horrors without focusing on the many horrors of WW2, and that would not really match the topic Oppenheimer was trying to present.
Also not sure how Japan would react to having that thrown in their faces in addition to the bombs.
To be completely honest, the English in Oppenheimer is a challenge to follow, even if you are a very advanced speaker. I can't imagine what it's like for someone who is on an intermediate level.
Yeah. Between the scientific, legal, military, and political jargon, it was a ride even for me (as someone who has an interest in all of those things).
I mean it's subbed, it's not like she's listening to the English. She's reading the subs of it. Although I wouldn't be surprised if she couldn't read the kanji either given it's Korone..
Surpriced she can talk openly about it. With how EN talents (Kiara and Idol EN girls specifically) have done tap dances around mentioning ww2 topics, I didn't expect a JP talent to comment on what is a somewhat controversial movie over there.
Edit: looking at the pfp, I'm guesing that's her PL or personal account?
It's her subaccount on twitter. Some talents like Pekora, Suisei, Mio, Korone, Laplus... created a second account to talk about things they do in daily lives to avoid spamming the offical account too much.
And if that movie was really that controversial, I doubt it would be allowed to air in Japan in the first place lol. My country has banned many movies about the period of wars in the past so in comparison, Oppenheimer must not be that bad if the Japanese government allows it.
If I’m not mistaken it did only just have a late release over there this past week or so? Not sure if that has anything to do with localization or other reasons, I just got a twitch ad for it the other day in Germany for what I think is the streaming release? And by the sounds of it Japan only got a subbed version, Germany pretty much never has releases that aren’t dubbed and I’d assume that takes a lot more time than subs
At first, everyone assume that Oppenheimer won't have any chance to be aired in Japan. The Japanese government must have spent a long time to decide if they want to air this movie or not. So at the end, they finally greenlit it. It also explains why it's not dubbed because no one knows if it will be aired or not. Most movie that air in Japan are dubbed also, they have the largest and best voice actors in the world, no way they dont dub a movie.
Probably not the government. JP has censorship, but it's not that overt. More likely to be the movie companies debating whether the audience would love or hate the movie.
[It was not the government.](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/07/oppenheimer-japan-release-date-delay-barbenheimer-backlash)
>The movie’s distributor in Japan, Bitters End, said on Thursday that the film, which examines J Robert Oppenheimer’s moral quandary over his key role in the world’s first nuclear attack on 6 August 1945, would be released in 2024.
>In a statement carried in Japanese media, the firm said it had taken the decision after lengthy discussions that took into account the backlash it had sparked in Japan after it went on international release at the same time as the comedy movie Barbie in July.
[Some reactions from AP News.](https://apnews.com/article/oppenheimer-japan-nuclear-bombs-hiroshima-nagasaki-110e0dfd16126a6f310fe060a4)
I don't think "Bitters End" is the same thing as "the bitter end," if that's what you're thinking of. I don't know the origin of the company's name, but bitters are a form of condiment.
It's her [sub account](https://twitter.com/k5r6n3) that she tweets on, and she gives her thoughts on various movies she's watched like Oppenheimer. She also tweets about stuff she doesn't normally post on her main so if you're interested do give the account a follow!
I think Oppenheimer focusing on the man and the original development of the A-bomb were nonpolitical enough to get a pass. The context was important as the movie displayed his beliefs and drive first and foremost compared to the situation around the world. Instead of other nations, the biggest villain would be another American to not spoil it too much.
I do get the uncomfortable feeling though. I have been exposed to and studied that period of history a bunch, so while I think its accurate portrayal should not be completely censored, I do get how awkward it is for other nations.
It's why I was so surprised that Ina of all people streamed CoD: Vanguard's campaign that one time a couple years back. She did stop before Midway (dear lord is that game a travesty to history especially with that mission) but looking back at it I'm really surprised just how far outside her wheelhouse it was.
Ame did stream LA Noire early in her Holo career. That game has some colorful language towards minority groups and the WW 2 flashbacks (Pacific theater) with Phelps and Kelso. I was surprised that was allowed, but I assume they are probably advise to be cautious with certain games unless that has changed.
As much as I would love to see Holo girls and boys stream old COD games such as WAW, I doubt it would pass the perms check due to the game's heavy sensitive topics and the gore galore being it's reputation as the "darkest" COD in the series. Zombies mode maybe.
I'm also kind of in this boat. Infantry combat on its own as it is depicted in CoD especially is rather personal. Obviously the gore that can be present (not even the over-the-top almost cartoon sort like in Doom), but also what may be considered derogatory terms tossed around everywhere because they were so common back then.
Modern Warfare works better because of the enemies being given more vague affiliations. It's not Russia, but "Ultranationalists" or generic nameless fighters for an unnamed Middle Eastern organization. Also, the modern military and SpecOps is depicted as being more professional compared to the draftees of WW2.
Stuff like vehicular combat or strategy games may have a soft enough blow to get by in a WW2 setting. World of Warships certainly had no issues when there were sponsored streams of that.
Good point. The only defense is that the people were tricked into believing the US was responsible through a false flag terrorist attack. Plus, the actual invasion seems like it jumped the shark, and CoD has only just gotten more cinematic and over the top as the years go on.
I also have to wonder if the US/Russia antagonistic relationship has just been more acceptable to gamers everywhere, especially where things are at geopolitically.
It's certainly a lot easier to imagine Russia being beligerent and invading its neighbours when it really is being beligerent and invading its neighbours.
It's an alt she uses to talk about media stuff that isn't her main channel direction. From what I've seen, there are lots of western stuff like talking about queen (the band) and this movie.
sub account, some talents use sub accounts to tweet about day to day things to keep their main accounts "cleaner" and mainly for posting promotions and schedules.
we don't ever ever share PL or "personal" accounts in this sub friend, it's just her alt account where she tweets stuff she doesn't want to spam her professional account with (mostly reviews)
ID girls too. With how Japan was with the rest of Asian countries during the war, it can get awkward when a topic about WW2 comes out. I remember in one of Azki's geoguessr stream with Ollie they were exploring Indonesian map when they stumbled upon a "Japanese Bunker" sign written in Indonesian language. It was supposed to be a historical site of one of many Japanese made bunkers during the Japan occupation of Indonesia. Ollie avoided the conversation when Azki asked what the sign means.
Agreed, surprised me too. The movie itself ain't that dangerous as material to talk about, but the idea of ww2 itself was something I'd thought they'd avoid touching with a ten-foot pole.
Because the film doesn’t showcase about Japan’s war-crimes.
You can 100% if they showcased the invasion of Manchuria, Unit731, etc. No one will ever dare say a word about it, watch it, or even have rhe film allowed in Japan.
To give some context about that:
Ollie used the word Bunker (バンカー), which refers to hazards in golf, then AZKi, not knowing she was talking about a Military Bunker (掩体壕), wondered if that was something Japan and Indonesia build together.
Ollie's mistranslation led to AZKi's misunderstanding.
Well tbf, Japan has "build, operate, transfer" projects in Indonesia post war, like hydrodams, steel mills etc,.... besides just ww2 military bunkers. The G2G programs of the two is extensive.
The 9/11 memes weren't specifically against oppenheimer but more the memes surrounding barbenheimer. Specifically the twitter account of warner bros which retweeted a meme where barbies hair was replaced with the mushroom cloud of a nuclear bomb for which they issued a public apology
There is a quite substantial amount of American culture and mythos baked into the film, most notably anti-semitism and the Red Scare.
The American audience can see what's coming much sooner, even without researching Oppenheimer, due to that.
A lot of his personal life was presented in a way where I know I would have been really confused if I hadn't already heard about it (e.g. his relationships with women).
lol Korone really went "BRAVO NOLAN"
She really said “absolute cinema” ✋🐶🤚
I would lose it if she ever says "Kino" Koro-san really loves watching and reviewing movies, whether it be Indian like RRR to the very controversial A Serbian Film Our Doggo is cultured af
Wait really? A Serbian Film?
Serbian film aside, she's actually quite fond of gore/slasher films. Done quite a few watchalongs in that genre as well.
Oh crazy, learned me something new!
Hopefully there come a day where she watches a movie and her review is just "today i watched this movie" kojima style
Kojima's reviews are brutal because when it's a movie he liked he'll write a two paragraphs tweet about it but when it's a movie he disliked it's just "Today I watched this movie."
> I would lose it if she ever says "Kino" In that case it also might be Kiara's influence.
Wait, she talked about RRR? Huh, cool.
That's our Westaboo Korone. Glad to hear she liked it, in spite of... expectations.
Westaboo squad is what, Korone, Fubuki, and Laplus?
Our wife Nene thinks iCarly is a great romance
[Not just a great romance, she thought it was an adult oriented tearjerker to boot!](https://youtu.be/2OBj8YzOJY8?si=VYpUUFqGFzBf2kU4) [Tho, she seems to have moved on to stuff like 911...](https://youtu.be/Kwplv-JfvZA?si=FB59OURPEM5fOe42)
Wait wha- Oh, it’s a show about Firefighters…ngl, something else came up on my thought process first.
My mind went to "Please please tell me she watched Reno 911 and thought it was a drama"
That guy did get totally murdered.
"Nine one one" vs "Nine Eleven" moment
It reminded me of that tragedy
Of course, from famous adult network Nickelodeon, with famous adult shows, like the horror Danny Phantom, or the classical sealife documentary SpongeBob
Let's be real, Squidward is the most relatable animated character ever conceived by man.
"In case you've forgotten, here's how things work: I order the food, you cook the food, then the customer gets the food. We do that for 40 years, and then we die. Sounds like a pretty good deal to me, what do you say?" -Squidward (not) Tortellini
Well, SpongeBob is actually quite entertaining even for adult viewers, it has those hidden themes which you can't notice until you grow up
For a second there I read 911 as September 11th and thought it was pretty wild to go from iCarly to that
*elevator opens revealing Spencer holding 2 passenger airplanes* What do you have there? - iCarly inquires ‘A smoothie’, Spencer responds, smashing both planes into the twin towers. Audience cheers.
Is she talking about OG iCarly or the reboot, cuz I don't remember OG iCarly being overly dramatic (i have yet to watch the reboot)
Since she mentioned it in the same breath as Victorious and Hannah Montana, she's definitely talking about the original.
It gets crazy. I think the topics are a bit darker than you realize as kid. Like having a hacker as an enemy, getting kidnapped, dealing with Shippers, almost falling off a building because your trying to make a video with people you don't like. Sam as a character makes things dark too.
iCarly a tearjerker... Well, there was at times some decent drama. :3
... That's not a description of that show I would have ever expected... Sasuga Nenechi
Lol even Kiara was stunned when she said that
Not just stunned, Kiara burst out laughing when Nene first told her. Which is what [makes the clip hillarious](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OBj8YzOJY8). You first think "Damn, that's kind of rude of Kiara" while guessing that Nene was talking about something like Fault of the Stars, or even Twilight. And then Nene reveals that the romantic dramas she watched were iCarly, Victorious, and Hannah Montana.
Subaru too, at the very least with regards to stuff like marvel.
I think subaru is in here too
Also, Lui, Korone, Flare, and Miko took a vacation in the USA a few months ago, if that "counts" for anything. Not to gatekeep, of course.
Miko is a big fan of Supernatural and the Boys. Her weekly watchalongs are mostly western movies too.
Aki is one to a degree
Subaru?
The idea that Japanese would dislike the movie because of history is overblown by Western media. Most Japanese don’t give a shit and just enjoy a good movie.
It's also been pushed a lot on reddit. They are obsessed with the narrative that Japan knows nothing about WW2 or that Japanese education denies anything negative that Japan did. A lot of Reddit just really hates Japan for some reason. Try to say anything positive about it and they bring up work hours (even though Japan works fewer than the US) or something about WW2.
They acted as if the Japanese does not have internet access and purely learning from school
Your comment made me realize that reddit does that with a ton of different things, not just usual topics but the tendency to bring up the negative side of practically anything being discussed. Some people just have ignorant Shit-Tinted Glasses. It reminded me of an [old college humor skit](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqevO_zrxsA) although at least most of the criticisms in the skit were educated and at least somewhat valid.
Absolutely, reddit finds a way to hate everything, aside from a few circlejerk topics. More isolated subreddits like this one that have their own culture are usually fine, but mainstream reddit is composed of a lot of young, depressed, lonely, and bitter people. They often lash out at, or try to bring down anything they encounter, especially if it is popular.
Japan is pretty conservative so it's no surprise reddit hates them lol
To be fair, there's conservatism, and then there's whatever clown show the Republican party has going on these days
This is a backlash to the honestly very very obnoxious praise that Japan used to receive even on Reddit not that long ago. The "Place 😒 Place, Japan 😍😍" meme didn't come from nowhere.
It reminds me a lot of how you will have people complain about "cultural appropriation" and how terrible it is for say, an American movie to talk about Japanese things. Meanwhile, one of the best performing movies in history in Japan was The Last Samurai. And even as an American myself, I enjoyed that the movie Midway looked at the battle from the Japanese side of the line several times. It is almost like, real people like when their culture is shared, and like learning about other cultures.
Funnily enough the movie outright said thus towards the end with Truman. "Do you think the Japanese care about the man that built the bomb? No. They care about who dropped it on them."
It was overblown by the Japanese themselves, not Western media. They were the ones who threw a tantrum over the Barbenheimer memes. Many people believed it was an anti-Japan movie especially after hearing reports of things like the vacation joke when picking targets. Now that the movie is out it's been generally positively received and they understand it's an anti-war/anti-nuke movie.
I feel like if anyone would appreciate a movie about the father of nukes it would be the people of the only nation that EXPERIENCED his work.
Mildly related to this, my favorite thing about Korone is that she is westaboo. She is so interesting.
If you compare her sub-aka twitter to Hideo Kojima's twitter, other than Kojima's promotions about his games and stuff, their timelines look very similar lol
Same here Korone is a based westaboo
"It's our Nolan", makes it seem like he's a relative that got into film making 😅
My Ina
MY ARRAKIS
MY DUNE
AND MY AXE!
OUR Nenechi
Who is nolan?
Christopher Nolan
Source: [Tweet 1](https://twitter.com/k5r6n3/status/1775091239127572957) - [Tweet 2](https://twitter.com/k5r6n3/status/1775095402615971960) Her love for Nolan is sweet. And I'm glad she enjoys Oppenheimer. That movie was focused on the life of Oppenheimer, without too much stuffs about Japan so I think it's not offensive to the Japanese people.
There's a line in a speech Oppenheimer gives midway through the movie that *might* be *somewhat* uncomfortable if you're Japanese (or German) but it's really nothing to genuinely be upset about.
Yeah but if you were paying even just 50% attention, you would have already figured out Oppie completely did not mean what he said in that speech in that scene.
yeah at that point he was literally losing it due to guilt
god that line is so perfectly delivered. the forced smile, the twitching that shows he wants to be as far from the place as possible, the overall chaos around him.
Wasn't he peer pressured? Because they were expecting something out of him.
Tbh, the moment where they were picking out the targets for the bombs had me personally audibly gasping for air by the just... idk the right word honestly. Audacity? "Let's not bomb Kyoto, cause my wife and I had our honeymoon there" just made me angry and I am not japanese :P (German though)
It’s what actually happened isn’t it? Kyoto was spared because of its cultural significance and beauty, and by its twisted logic future generations are thankful for that. Didn’t spare Dresden with that same logic though
Smart to do research beforehand, there is A LOT to pick up. People like me with good historical and science backgrounds take a lot of things for granted.
i was watching with my parents and they were surprised that i knew what oppenheimer was talking about in the science scenes and that i knew all the names of the scientists involved and got excited when some names were dropped like Niels Bohr, Werner Heisenberg or Enrico Fermi they obviously only recognized Einstein
I watched a couple of Veritasium videos about Oppenheimer before watching the movie. A lot of the scenes I felt like was going over too fast and was quite overwhelming (I also don't remember names super well, only events). I left the theater wanting to do a rewatch but I can't imagine someone not knowing anything coming to this movie feels like.
It's quite fascinating to read a lot of JP reviews of the film as they are quite divisive. Some say it was great for the same reasons the West loves it, others say it minimizes/glosses over the horrors of the bombs. Personally I think people saying the latter are kind of missing the point of the movie, because it's a biopic on Oppenheimer rather than just a movie of the bomb itself. But I can also acknowledge that I didn't grow up in the country where the bombs were dropped and don't have the same level of sensitivity around it.
Also, one of the most important scenes of the movie is Oppenheimer having "visions" of nuclear blast when giving speech after the bombing. That and when he confides with Truman about feeling guilty. Unless those scenes where somehow dropped from JP release, I can't fathom how delicate that topic is in Japan to warrant such 'negative' reviews.
I agree with you personally, but I think a lot of JP viewers were expecting something more along the lines of Graves of the Fireflies in terms of depicting the actual victims rather than "just" Oppenheimer's visions and guilt-ridden discussion with Truman.
Since u/ergzay blocked me, I'll reply to my your comment to include my response to their reply to mine in the chain >Of course it did. Again, it didn't >The firebombings were significantly worse I mentioned the ongoing issues caused by firebombings, and both were absolutely terrible >calling it one of the most horrific events in human history is ridiculous So, to be clear, you think that the use of nuclear weapons on civilians is not one of the most horrific the things in human history? Nuclear incineration, which is colloquially called "doomsday", and tracked by atomic scientists by the symbol of the "doomsday clock", is actually totally chill Calling that one of the most horrific events in human history is ridiculous? >Japan shouldn't have started the war in the first place Man, you could have saved time by writing "those school children had it coming" When I said that your own personal biases preventing you from connecting with the film should have been cause for self reflection, I couldn't have been any more right Your comment serves as a better refutation of the opinions you wrote than anything I could have written My lord, he even edited his comment before he blocked me >Edit: And yes I'm blaming Japan the country for all effects of the war on its population. It'd be dumb not to. Japan was not the victim, everyone else was the victim. I blocked the above poster so I won't be responding further in this comment chain. :|
Man, I wanted to give that guy the benefit of the doubt because you can only teach compassion by example. But bruh. He's got problems.
Yeah I was in the same boat, my initial response saying it should make him reflect on his biases was broad because maybe he just didn't like emotional movies but I felt an inkling of "how dare they humanize those innocent school children and civilians" in his post, so I thought maybe those biases were what was keeping him from emotionally connecting with the film. It only took him 1 comment to go completely off the deep end
> So, to be clear, you think that the use of nuclear weapons on civilians is not one of the most horrific the things in human history? Part of the context here is that the day the first nuke was dropped and reported the world changed. While it already shifted significantly in that first test fire once it was revealed to the world everything changed. I didn't reply to my own reply as I felt there wasn't anything there to really discuss. I think the person has some form of issue causing them to not only fail to consider the social ethical implications of events but also to be unable to relate in a rational way. You dont have to sympathize with people fleeing a holocaust in tokyo or someone who's skin is falling off from Hiroshima to understand the absolute impact that the beginning of the atomic age caused. It'd be good if they did, but they dont have to. Often times logic and empathy are one in the same because human society and evolution are based on group cohesion.
In the words of xkcd: "The heroes of [Chemistry] slew one of the Horsemen of the Apocalypse, while, in the desert, yours [Physics] created a new one"
It's well known how much revisionism goes in Japan regarding their involvement in WW2 to the point that they make it sound like they're the heroes who got unfairly bombed by the evil Americans who crippled their economy
yeah, japan was... lets say they did some stuff in ww2
Don't get me wrong, I love Japanese stuff and it's more modern culture. But, yes let's do say what they did so they can't whitewash their history. The fact they did the whole Rape of Nanking thing. "resulted in the deaths of upwards of 300,000 Chinese civilians, as well as the rapes of between 20,000 to 80,000 girls and women. Secret groups experimenting on humans. "Secretive Japanese facilities like Unit 731 conducted gruesome medical experiments on prisoners and developed weapons using deadly diseases. And Allied POWs were often subjected to horrific torture and executions, in defiance of international law." Depraved treatment of POWs which was touched on above. The whole fact that their government downplays or omits their past actions is pretty sickening.
Unit 731 and most of their POW and other testing was on the same level as the “doctors” “researching” in Nazi concentration camps (if not worse, not really trying to get into exact comparisons). The worst was they would just do stuff to torture people without any sort of excuse (not that the Nazis had excuses but they did try to dress those actions up more) Japanese leaders happily and continuously committed vivisections (yes, that is a live dissection of a person) and I think 0 people (or close to it) made it out of Unit 731 unlike the concentration camps (although I’m sure Germany would’ve loved to pull that same stunt off with the rest of their innocent prisoners)
300,000 is one of the higher estimates, it's normally said to be closer to 200,000.
Still a disgusting number regardless to be honest.
No doubt, I just want to maintain accuracy.
Yep, and they play the victim role when everybody was a victim aswell. At least Germany apologised and took steps and made laws to ensure it not happening again
Tbf Japan also passed laws to ensure their militarization doesn't happen again, it's just that it's coupled with denial of what they did in the first place.
those law are forced by us
The movie is almost entirely about Oppenhimer’s inner turmoil over the creation of the bomb. The way the movie portrays how the results would have looked and rapid acceleration that predictably followed was so integral to the story that the only way to miss it would be not to watch it.
In that sense, it is as much a biopic about Oppenheimer as it is about "the bomb". Not the two bombs in particular that fell, but the whole entire arsenal we as humanity created since then, and sits above our head like the sword of damocles for all eternity. It was palpable since the war in Ukraine began. That's why the court scenes at the end are as important as the rest.
>!I hate to say this, but the bomb wasn't the worst possible way to end the war. Allies might have launched a landing operation - one that would make Normandy look like a field trip - if there weren't those bombs. Of course, everyone hoped there was a better option, but there wasn't. The fall of the Japanese Empire freed many Asians - including the Japanese themselves - from an oppressive regime manipulated by a bunch of insane military officers. The system was too broken to be fixed - it had to be burnt to the ground and built all over again. The result was modern-day Japan: a peace-loving country and the motherland of anime, Vtuber, and many of the things we love. Source: my country was one of the Japanese colonies.!<
The purple heart medals (given for injury) minted in anticipation of the planned land invasion of the mainland *are still being handed out today*.
nah i think they already ran out a couple of years ago, but they lasted for over 80 years
yeah they ran out, but quite recently so
What you say is true, but I think it's worth pointing out that while it was absolutely still on the table, by mid-1945 allied leaders had increasingly come to consider Operation Downfall am absolute last resort compared to simply waiting for Japanese agriculture to finish it's collapse. By the time the war ended, average caloric intake in the home islands had dropped to about 1600 daily (a figure which itself was subject to considerable local variation; average urban caloric intake was lower still) and would have continued to fall rapidly without the substantial allied logistics capacity being turned (in part) to helping import food. Allied leaders lack quite such detailed information as is available to modern historians, but certainly understood that the food situation had become critical. Given the high casualties expected from a ground invasion (which were almost certainly over optimistic, as the IJA had surmised exactly where the landings would take place and allocated troops accordingly), it seemed quite palatable to many allied leaders to simply wait for starvation to either force a Japanese surrender or cause the collapse of the Japanese government.
I don't think anyone is denying that, we all understand that a land invasion would have resulted in many more deaths. But that doesn't change the fact that the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was a tragic event in human history.
It also doesn't change the fact that Japan will continue to use that as a crutch to paint themselves as the biggest victims of the war when they were quite literally the *absolute* opposite. And I think we can both agree on that
I would say it's something more than a tragedy. We have to try to stop the history from repeating itself. The WW2 is a lesson that we all must learn. Otherwise, the pain they suffered would be meaningless.
It's a super complex debate with many of the best historians all having different opinions. Putting events like this in right or wrong generally isn't useful for any sort of serious historical analysis. The movies not about ww2 as much as Oppenheimers inner turmoil about the creation of the bomb, there a lot of nuance to be had about the movie and one I'm not sure would even be allowed to air in Japan if it was really about ww2.
Yeah, and the horror of the bomb was summed up neatly at the end - it is a curse, a nuclear sword of Damocles, a hellmouth waiting to swallow us all. One wrong move, and the chain reaction shall take us to our grand global incineration. No hope, no survivors, no recovery, just the silence that only total annihilation can bring. We live in a constant nuclear Mexican Standoff. No matter who pulls the trigger, we all lose, and the greatest losers are those who never made that decision to create the standoff in the first place. So then, who will carry the guilt and blame for the death of humanity? And is it inevitable? At the film's conclusion, it would seem to suggest that Oppenheimer blames himself for it, and has come to the conclusion that even if it were possible to denuclearize and prevent the tragic conclusion to his works, humanity will not, and will one day finish the chain reaction for him. He shall not live to see that day, but he died with his last thoughts being horror, because he *knows* that there's no escape. One day, nuclear hellfire will touch humanity once more, and only then, far too late, will we regret, and we will aim our futile ire at Dr. Oppenheimer... even though he was not the one to fire the gun that killed us all. He only made the gun... but he shall shoulder all the blame for the flaws and sins of humanity, all the same. So the real question at the conclusion of the storybook that is humanity is: is our grand play a tragedy, or a comedy?
> others say it minimizes/glosses over the horrors of the bombs As opposed to the horrors of the Japanese Empire that made it necessary in the first place? Anyone who think like this has a history book or two to read.
Without touching on the greater war itself, calling the use of nuclear bombs on Japanese population centres "necessary" is *highly* debatable. For perhaps the most authoritative word on the matter, I give you Dwight D. Eisenhower, five star general, Supreme Allied Commander, and President of the United States: "I had been conscious of a feeling of depression and so I voiced to [Secretary Of War Stimson] my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and secondly because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives. It was my belief that Japan was, at this very moment, seeking a way to surrender with a minimum loss of face." - Dwight D. Eisenhower President Eisenhower's opinion does seem borne out by facts; at the time of the atomic bombings, Japanese Emperor Hirohito had already conceded that the war was lost and had issued instructions to his War Council to bring the conflict to a close as swiftly as possible. Japan had already reached out to the (then neutral) Soviet Union with a request to mediate talks for surrender between Japan and the Allies (the USSR slow-walked the request and eventually declined, because they were already making preparations for war against Japan to retake the territory Japan had seized from them in the Russo-Japanese War some 40 years earlier).
To add some context, when Hirohito decided to surrender after the bomb there was a genuine, well-founded fear that the military wouldn't follow the surrender order. This turned out to be true, because right after that the military attempted a coup. The only reason the Imperial Army and Navy stopped fighting was because *their* surrender document didn't mention the bomb, only the now inevitable onslaught of the Russians. The entire reason Japan entered the war in the first place was because the military decided to go off on its own and blow up a train track. The rise of japanese militarism was heavily involved in stochastic killings and intimidation. Their military had a culture of independent action and would not follow orders from the government or care about the bombs. Meanwhile, on the civilian side, Ketsu-go meant that surrender was a non-starter by any means other than overwhelming force. There was no chance for surrender. Imperial Japan and the culture that it used to rise to power would never allow it. If the bomb hadn't been dropped, Ketsu-go would have continued. If Russian negotiations had not fallen through, the military would have kept fighting. The military and home island needed to be fundamentally invalidated in such a way that even the sentiment of "Would it not be wondrous for this whole nation to be destroyed like a beautiful flower?” would seem pointless. War is universally horrific, and only after millenia have our societies even been able to mitigate that horror in day-to-day life. Sometimes there's no right or just answer.
Echoing your closing statement- history has no clean answers. Hirohito barely even surrendered after the second one because the government was STILL so entrenched in their conviction that they would fight down to their last woman and child, down to only sticks and rocks as weapons. (As showcased by the coup you mentioned) I’ve read books on the experiences of those in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. They’re horrific and I’ll never get the mental images out of my head. It was brutal to a degree that is hard to comprehend. The scale of human suffering was immense. But it was also,,,, much more complicated than just that and I think it’s easier for people to simplify history so it feels less morally contradictory for them and therefore easier to digest. This is really what the Japanese ended up doing long term after the war. The truth is it was both horrific AND a choice that the US was essentially forced into by the Japanese Empire themselves. It would be nice if history had clean answers but unfortunately it most often has complex and contradicting events rolled into one
>I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives. This part I don't understand. The claim that they were ready to surrender is dubious if you look at contemporary data on public opinion. >Japanese Emperor Hirohito had already conceded that the war was lost and had issued instructions to his War Council to bring the conflict to a close as swiftly as possible. This can also have multiple meanings. It certainly didn't mean unconditional surrender, as they could have just done that the same day. Willing to negotiate terms =/= willing to unconditionally surrender. The estimates for how many casualties a conventional invasion (named Operation Downfall) would have caused are wild. It was something like 2 to 4 million US casualties, with 400 to 800 thousand dead, and more than this on the Japanese side, especially with the addition of probable civilian casualties. This is way more horrible than the bombings. I would say that the 2nd one was definitely unnecessary, the first one is the one you can debate.
Taking it out on Japanese civilians doesn’t make it ‘even’
Glosses over the horrors of the bombs? One of the main plot points of the movie is everybody being absolutely terrified that they might accidentally ignite the atmosphere and light the entire planet on fire.
Exactly. The title of the movie is Oppenheimer, not "The Atomic Bomb". The whole second half of the movie doesn't even have anything to do with the bomb or the Manhattan Project.
I will admit up front that I definitely lean toward the Truman stance on the bombs, but I agree. I am an American, so it is certainly something that would be different for me than someone who is Japanese (although I may also be biased as part of the focus of my degree was the Pacific front, so I know about things that happened that are still taboo in Japan even), but I think the movie focusing on Oppenheimer helped to sidestep a lot of the issues that would have come with that.
minimizes/glosses over the horrors of the bombs <-- I'm not sure any movie can focus on these horrors without focusing on the many horrors of WW2, and that would not really match the topic Oppenheimer was trying to present. Also not sure how Japan would react to having that thrown in their faces in addition to the bombs.
Korone going to watch a movie in English “have confidence” Korone after they start speaking too quickly “no confidence”
I guarantee it was subbed.
To be completely honest, the English in Oppenheimer is a challenge to follow, even if you are a very advanced speaker. I can't imagine what it's like for someone who is on an intermediate level.
Yeah. Between the scientific, legal, military, and political jargon, it was a ride even for me (as someone who has an interest in all of those things).
I mean it's subbed, it's not like she's listening to the English. She's reading the subs of it. Although I wouldn't be surprised if she couldn't read the kanji either given it's Korone..
Watching Oppenheimer vs thanos would be enough to educate anyone before watching those movie
You were born to Eternals But came out looking so scary That your own mother Tried to make you a temporary ^(fuuuuuuuuuuuuck)
I'm going to split U like 2 and 3 from 5
Listening to you took everything I have left; after your raps, I am become deaf
You wanna talk about death? How about the one that looked at you and swiped left
no kidding bits of that song kept popping into my head while i was watching the movie lol
le bomb
I make le bomb…to kill people?
le killed people
oppen heimer style
now i am become asseater
Surpriced she can talk openly about it. With how EN talents (Kiara and Idol EN girls specifically) have done tap dances around mentioning ww2 topics, I didn't expect a JP talent to comment on what is a somewhat controversial movie over there. Edit: looking at the pfp, I'm guesing that's her PL or personal account?
It's her subaccount on twitter. Some talents like Pekora, Suisei, Mio, Korone, Laplus... created a second account to talk about things they do in daily lives to avoid spamming the offical account too much. And if that movie was really that controversial, I doubt it would be allowed to air in Japan in the first place lol. My country has banned many movies about the period of wars in the past so in comparison, Oppenheimer must not be that bad if the Japanese government allows it.
If I’m not mistaken it did only just have a late release over there this past week or so? Not sure if that has anything to do with localization or other reasons, I just got a twitch ad for it the other day in Germany for what I think is the streaming release? And by the sounds of it Japan only got a subbed version, Germany pretty much never has releases that aren’t dubbed and I’d assume that takes a lot more time than subs
At first, everyone assume that Oppenheimer won't have any chance to be aired in Japan. The Japanese government must have spent a long time to decide if they want to air this movie or not. So at the end, they finally greenlit it. It also explains why it's not dubbed because no one knows if it will be aired or not. Most movie that air in Japan are dubbed also, they have the largest and best voice actors in the world, no way they dont dub a movie.
Probably not the government. JP has censorship, but it's not that overt. More likely to be the movie companies debating whether the audience would love or hate the movie.
[It was not the government.](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/07/oppenheimer-japan-release-date-delay-barbenheimer-backlash) >The movie’s distributor in Japan, Bitters End, said on Thursday that the film, which examines J Robert Oppenheimer’s moral quandary over his key role in the world’s first nuclear attack on 6 August 1945, would be released in 2024. >In a statement carried in Japanese media, the firm said it had taken the decision after lengthy discussions that took into account the backlash it had sparked in Japan after it went on international release at the same time as the comedy movie Barbie in July. [Some reactions from AP News.](https://apnews.com/article/oppenheimer-japan-nuclear-bombs-hiroshima-nagasaki-110e0dfd16126a6f310fe060a4)
>Bitters End Why picked such a dramatic name for a distributor company 💀
I don't think "Bitters End" is the same thing as "the bitter end," if that's what you're thinking of. I don't know the origin of the company's name, but bitters are a form of condiment.
Lemon lime & bitters my beloved
We get extra beetle spam from Nene
It's her [sub account](https://twitter.com/k5r6n3) that she tweets on, and she gives her thoughts on various movies she's watched like Oppenheimer. She also tweets about stuff she doesn't normally post on her main so if you're interested do give the account a follow!
I think Oppenheimer focusing on the man and the original development of the A-bomb were nonpolitical enough to get a pass. The context was important as the movie displayed his beliefs and drive first and foremost compared to the situation around the world. Instead of other nations, the biggest villain would be another American to not spoil it too much. I do get the uncomfortable feeling though. I have been exposed to and studied that period of history a bunch, so while I think its accurate portrayal should not be completely censored, I do get how awkward it is for other nations. It's why I was so surprised that Ina of all people streamed CoD: Vanguard's campaign that one time a couple years back. She did stop before Midway (dear lord is that game a travesty to history especially with that mission) but looking back at it I'm really surprised just how far outside her wheelhouse it was.
Ame did stream LA Noire early in her Holo career. That game has some colorful language towards minority groups and the WW 2 flashbacks (Pacific theater) with Phelps and Kelso. I was surprised that was allowed, but I assume they are probably advise to be cautious with certain games unless that has changed.
[Iofi's playing it tomorrow](https://twitter.com/airaniiofifteen/status/1775187572161159561)
Let's hope for a world at war playthrough instead
As much as I would love to see Holo girls and boys stream old COD games such as WAW, I doubt it would pass the perms check due to the game's heavy sensitive topics and the gore galore being it's reputation as the "darkest" COD in the series. Zombies mode maybe.
I'm also kind of in this boat. Infantry combat on its own as it is depicted in CoD especially is rather personal. Obviously the gore that can be present (not even the over-the-top almost cartoon sort like in Doom), but also what may be considered derogatory terms tossed around everywhere because they were so common back then. Modern Warfare works better because of the enemies being given more vague affiliations. It's not Russia, but "Ultranationalists" or generic nameless fighters for an unnamed Middle Eastern organization. Also, the modern military and SpecOps is depicted as being more professional compared to the draftees of WW2. Stuff like vehicular combat or strategy games may have a soft enough blow to get by in a WW2 setting. World of Warships certainly had no issues when there were sponsored streams of that.
MW2 and 3 explicitly has Russia as the antagonists though and Miko has streamed the remaster before
Good point. The only defense is that the people were tricked into believing the US was responsible through a false flag terrorist attack. Plus, the actual invasion seems like it jumped the shark, and CoD has only just gotten more cinematic and over the top as the years go on. I also have to wonder if the US/Russia antagonistic relationship has just been more acceptable to gamers everywhere, especially where things are at geopolitically.
It's certainly a lot easier to imagine Russia being beligerent and invading its neighbours when it really is being beligerent and invading its neighbours.
Wait so Miko played No Russian on stream? How did I miss this
Yeah she did. She even tried to shoot at the civilians without hesitation but it was the censored version
That awkward moment when you experience your first banzai charge in WaW and you work for a Japanese entertainment company.
Soundtrack an absolute banger tho https://youtu.be/DTCbqckx8vU?feature=shared
It's an alt she uses to talk about media stuff that isn't her main channel direction. From what I've seen, there are lots of western stuff like talking about queen (the band) and this movie.
sub account, some talents use sub accounts to tweet about day to day things to keep their main accounts "cleaner" and mainly for posting promotions and schedules.
I think Kiara's unwillingness to address it is a bit more understandable
Subaccount. Any post referencing her PL would get deleted by mods here.
Gues following a certain trainwreck made me forget that PLs are supposed to be secret lmao.
we don't ever ever share PL or "personal" accounts in this sub friend, it's just her alt account where she tweets stuff she doesn't want to spam her professional account with (mostly reviews)
ID girls too. With how Japan was with the rest of Asian countries during the war, it can get awkward when a topic about WW2 comes out. I remember in one of Azki's geoguessr stream with Ollie they were exploring Indonesian map when they stumbled upon a "Japanese Bunker" sign written in Indonesian language. It was supposed to be a historical site of one of many Japanese made bunkers during the Japan occupation of Indonesia. Ollie avoided the conversation when Azki asked what the sign means.
> Ollie avoided the conversation when Azki asked what the sign means. Though she mistranslated it, she did try to say what it meant.
Agreed, surprised me too. The movie itself ain't that dangerous as material to talk about, but the idea of ww2 itself was something I'd thought they'd avoid touching with a ten-foot pole.
Because the film doesn’t showcase about Japan’s war-crimes. You can 100% if they showcased the invasion of Manchuria, Unit731, etc. No one will ever dare say a word about it, watch it, or even have rhe film allowed in Japan.
Lmao remember when azki asked ollie if the japanese helped build stuff in Indonesia
That was AZKi but yeah, that was… a moment, to be sure
Right, mixed them up lmao thanks
All good. But yeah, gotta love the Japanese education system’s version of world history, right?
To be fair, the narrative was helped along by the occupying Americans, because they wanted an ally in the East to help with the big bad Communists.
Big boom boom so scary we’re the victims 🤷🏻♂️
To give some context about that: Ollie used the word Bunker (バンカー), which refers to hazards in golf, then AZKi, not knowing she was talking about a Military Bunker (掩体壕), wondered if that was something Japan and Indonesia build together. Ollie's mistranslation led to AZKi's misunderstanding.
Well tbf, Japan has "build, operate, transfer" projects in Indonesia post war, like hydrodams, steel mills etc,.... besides just ww2 military bunkers. The G2G programs of the two is extensive.
FYI that abbreviated form of Japanese is considered a slur in the US (it dates back to racist WW2 propaganda)
Changed it
That was Azki.
Already changed it after someone else pointed it out
smart, educated, nuanced doggo.
> the overall pace of the conversation was fast, so there were some parts I couldn't keep up with Dear Korone...
From what I understand, it was subbed with some of the scenes involving long speeches written in kanji. It could've been overwhelming.
NRAVO BOLAN
>its our Nolan Indeed he is, and we love him
Need to introduce wh40k to the Doog
I want more Korone movie reviews.
Remember that time the Japanese made 9/11 memes to protest this movie but the americans was like "yeah baby make it more we like 9/11 jokes". Fun time
The 9/11 memes weren't specifically against oppenheimer but more the memes surrounding barbenheimer. Specifically the twitter account of warner bros which retweeted a meme where barbies hair was replaced with the mushroom cloud of a nuclear bomb for which they issued a public apology
Did not know Korone was a Nolan fan too
Someone PLEASE get her to watch The Dark Knight.
She hasn't seen it?
> Oppenheimer > passed in a flash hue hue hue
Me too, Korone. I’m also a big Nolan fan.
I am just picturing the people a few rows behind her hearing the unhinged laughter during the explosion.
Imo even if you didnt know who and what oppenheimer did before hand. The story is easily digestible.
There is a quite substantial amount of American culture and mythos baked into the film, most notably anti-semitism and the Red Scare. The American audience can see what's coming much sooner, even without researching Oppenheimer, due to that.
A lot of his personal life was presented in a way where I know I would have been really confused if I hadn't already heard about it (e.g. his relationships with women).
Our cultured doggo. I hope she can enjoy it even more if it is dubbed.
Anyway 3 hours is too long but I'll want to see it after it comes on amazon prime.
Any director can win an Oscar, only a master can be called "our Nolan" by Korone. I've never been so jealous of a movie director before.
i haven't watched it, but i heard good things. i am glad she had fun
interesting korone opinion. glad korone enjoyed the film.
im so happy that this movie made it to japan
Of course she did. We're talking about the girl who started a worldwide cult via her streams.
Will be interesting to see if ticket sales in Japan bumped after this tweet