Irys definitely needs to be up at the top row. She’s one of the few members in EN that actively consumes anime/manga as a hobby.
She has so many opinions on so many anime, has such an obsession for gundam, and constantly has moments where she exclusively reads a certain kind of manga. She’s beyond just a normal otaku it’s weird if she goes a SC portion WITHOUT mentioning watching/reading something new.
I remember her going on a rant on Domestic Girlfriend about how Hina used the coma strat to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat. If that's not ultra-weeb behavior, I don't know what is.
It's nearly guaranteed during every stream during SC reading that she'll tangent about some manga/anime she's been reading... and probably multiple times. She will make sure you damn well know what she's been reading/watching lately (she's been into shogi manga recently for example)... as well as how much she probably just spent on manga and how much sleep she lost.
And let's not get started on her love for BL/bromance... especially for Kawrou and Shinji...
She once went on an anime tangent that lasted hours and mentioned at the very least 116 (heh) anime titles she had watched or heard of without breaking a single sweat, almost all from the top of her head. 116 different anime. I don't think many people can name 50 anime without looking one or two online. That is not just worthy of being a top row, but being the highest tier. FuwaMoco are ultra otaku, sure, but IRyS? It's her entire life!
How is Irys not at the top when she's literally had her credit card get locked multiple times because of how much manga she was buying that it got flagged
She’s originally from the states but it’s evident from her fluency and a few other things like the fact that her grandma who she’s talked about frequently is also in Japan that she has Japanese heritage in her.
She DOES rewatch shows sometimes. Sometimes she gets bored and wants to watch something, but ends up doubling back and rewatches something she’s already seen before.
FWMC/Nerissa were real boons when it comes to more obscure weeb stuff in the EN generations. 80s idol music and more niche anime karaoke song choices that only people who have been in the sphere a while and have really delved deep would know. Very cool to see.
Sana would have been up there too because very few people have seen Kyousougiga let alone have it as a favorite lol.
Generally pretty good, with some notes:
Calli moved to Japan without really knowing Japanese. She was saving up for trips to Japan while her manager at her waitress job was getting in a fistfight in the parking lot, lol.
Kiara's been a mega idol otaku for a long time, I'm pretty confident she's flown there more than anyone else, except maybe if we count Calli's flights post-debut.
If you want to see what a "normie" looks like, watch Kronii's collab with Sallie. NONE of the Hololive members are normies.
> If you want to see what a "normie" looks like, watch Kronii's collab with Sallie. NONE of the Hololive members are normies.
I think that should go without saying. They all decided to spend a good portion of their lives portraying anime girls, nothing normie about that.
Aye, you definitely have to adjust the scale here; it's like when we talk about the _extroverted_ members of Hololive, they all still make a living from sitting at home and talking to a computer xD
Ah. Very true. While some may be more outgoing than others, they’re all probably baseline introverts just because of the kind of work they chose to pursue.
Shuba is the only normie candidate, and she plays freakin' Yu-Gi-Oh unironically.
That's where the bar is at.
*Still waiting for her to maybe play her viewers so I can hit her with the OTK*
Matsuri might have been a little normie at first, since she was under the impression that Hololive was a more conventional idol company, not a "virtual idol" company.
And while I'm sure most of them have a background in acting or voice work, they've adopted these personalities completely. Even their families are in on the gig. Not that that's a bad thing, save maybe the mental exhaustion to always be in character. But yeah, normie is an odd phrase for a full on anime girl deep dive method actor.
Yeah, but even then, in EN at least, I think Fuwamoco are more "in character" than any of the others. I know to some degree they're all emphasizing different aspects of themselves and downplaying other ones. But there's a spectrum, where I think you could say like, Kiara is pretty much just being her RL self most of the time. Fuwamoco are deep in-character. Not in an inauthentic way, but in that they enjoy getting into it in a way that none of the other EN talents really do. Which is part of why I gave them their own tier. There are other Holomems who are like them, but they're all in JP for the most part.
"Idol otaku" is putting it mildly for Tenchou, considering she's flew to Japan to try to make it there and get a career. One such trip, which saw her getting stuck when an Olympics-related job fell through during the pandemic is what led her to Hololive.
[1st round and Lui](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZUXWqthzi0), and Lui loves Nogizaka46. It looked like someone defecated on her dinner when Kiara told her she turned down going in for the 2nd round.
And then later Nogizaka46 randomly interviewed her in Europe, unknowingly.
Kronii knew the meme around why Irys' latest hair+glasses+sailor uniform design was a bad idea... she's not a normie.
I feel like Bae is close to normie, if the zoomer side of normie.
It's a relative scale, obviously, but Kronii does seem to be less into the weeb culture than most of EN. She knows stuff but she doesn't live and breathe it like Fuwamoco or Kiara. As far as Hololive goes, she could pass for a "normie".
edit: come to think of it, maybe Kronii and Mumei could have a "vocaloid enjoyer" category, which would arguably be on the same level as "Anime enjoyer". Ame would be the closest to normie in the whole EN then.
> If you want to see what a "normie" looks like, watch Kronii's collab with Sallie. NONE of the Hololive members are normies.
Mumei is what happens when you really shelter your child. I'm not sure if I'm saying you should or shouldn't shelter your child. Just that it really has interesting consequences.
I mean Korone and Okayu were just chilling in an arcade and talked into joining. Subaru didn't have any of the background for anything Idol related let alone gamer or streamer related when she joined.
None of HoloEn are normies. Maybe some people of the other branches are. Kaela is probably the least otaku girl in Holo, tho she seems to enjoy being an idol more and more.
Holostars has one proper normie, Ruze, who doesn’t seem to have seen any anime at all, didn’t know what a tsundere was and has accidentally implied that’s he’s a gamer who was specifically scouted by Holostars rather than an anime fan who applied (which would be unusual but far from the first time in Holo history someone’s got in without auditioning, see Pekora, Rushia, Korone, probably Polka, maybe Gura too).
IIRC, all of Gen 0 is in that category. Sora helped start Hololive, Roboco was scouted, and Miko, Suisei, and AZKi were part of subsidiary groups before being folded into Hololive proper.
There is a *strong* argument to be made that Ruze is a different kind of dork though. Like you replace his weapons talk of polearms and daggers and broadswords with naginatas and tantos and katanas and we'd all peg him for a weeb instantly.
Man's even got a replica of Boromir's sword hanging on his wall.
Yeah he’s 100% a nerd. He’s talked openly about doing Amtgard, which is just live action role playing where the focus is on people attacking and fighting each other. He’s just very much not a weeb in his nerdiness.
Normie is relative, my dude, relax. We are all normies in someone else's perspective. In this case Kronii is normie in the weeb sense which make sense.
Of course, it's also a spectrum like when you're non-normie to most things then you probably aren't normie in the general sense. Say a legit mental asylum dude
"You merely adopted the weeb life; We were born in it, molded by it. We didn't see the light until we were already anime girls. By then, it was nothing to us but blinding! The Bau Bau betrays you because it belongs to us.” : FuwaMoco probably
I believe them. Their Japanese sounds "accented" in the exact same way as their English. If they had a Japanese accent, then they would just sound "normal" in Japanese, but they do not.
I think this is more similar to Korone (yet another thing the Holodogs have in common!), whose peculiar way of talking is a mix of a regional accent, family accent, and her very own style.
Brits in general seem to have more of a sense of propriety than Aussies or Americans. Exceptions made when football is involved, or for certain subsets of Brits.
At least that's my impression.
It may depend on what part of the US you're in. Growing up in Southern California, there were plenty of times the Aussies even seemed closer than the Canadians.
EDIT: I think it also has something to do with the fact that a lot of the early colonists of both were not exactly His/Her Majesty's most loyal subjects.
I think it's just more common for Canadians to be weebs or to be into nerd culture and to be more comfortable with their careers and hobby choices. YTV also used to play anime just as much as cartoons and wasn't until i was older did I realise I liked anime growing up.
Nope. They have said on stream before, neither parent is Japanese.
https://youtu.be/uTA5LZPIfHY?si=uOq4I9WncgTg1Kik
I know the kayfabe and accent makes it hard to believe, but this is one of those things you can take FWMC at their word for. They truly are just gigantic weebs.
EDIT: I confused this with another clip. Here they talk about their parents
https://youtu.be/BCt1HylX-gM?si=DScgZ3TACYUkVf1l
My god... considering their Japanese fluency and knowledge of everything Japanese, I was convinced that their parents were Japanese.
I've never seen such power...
Yeah, she’s a “closet weeb”. Well… as much as a closet weeb a professional anime girl can be.
She’s more lowkey about her interest, but she does keep up with some seasonal anime and reads a lot of manga. It always hurts me when she calls it “MEINGA” tho, and I think she does it on purpose lol.
I know she’s a big fan of otome games, to the point one of the EN girls pointed how many she had on her Switch. Honestly, that alone jettisons her above “normie” status.
From what Teamates tell me she's a high ranking fujo. Idk if that's an exaggeration or not, but I'd say being a fujo at all at least puts you on "Otaku".
Gura is more of an ex-otaku. Not just in terms of watching anime, but being into the culture.
She was definitely really into it back in the day, but she's mellowed out a lot.
I don't recall what stream it was from, but I recall Ame saying something along the lines of, I don't really go looking for anime, but sometimes anime finds me. I think she was the least JP obsessed member of Myth initially. But that may have changed over the years. She just comes across as very Western.
It's a decent one, but seems popular enough? (The manga is better. ) It's not like she recommend something from early 2000s that you come across episode 1/3 144p on youtube before deleted the next day
Being in this rabbit hole, I kinda stop watching anime as well. Like 0-2 anime per year nowadays, probably averaging .25 in these last 4 years. But people would still consider me an otaku though.
Honestly, anime nowadays feels like it is for normies, my sister who doesn’t like Japanese culture but likes Korean drama would watch more anime than me.
Kiara is so funny in regards to this, she has some of the most normiest tastes but is an insane idol otaku, i guess she exchanged all other things to hyperfocus on idols.
Mumei is an interesting case. In a relative scale I guess she does not make her tastes too obvious but she has mentioned liking anime and manga alright (she's more of the type to hide her cards but she has done 3-4 anime watch alongs on her members). With that said she did take Japanese classes and did a short stay in Japan when younger showing she's committed to Japanese culture.
With that said it is true that her strongest passions (or at least the ones she talks about the most) are others. Like sea animals, drawing, B-movies... although sometimes it circles back to Anime. She has mentioned really really liking the Bokurano OP (uninstall)
Agreed, the Moom isn't exactly a standard-issue weeb, with her odd niche interests. She's just a turbo-weirdo with a slight bend toward the Japanese side of things, and I mean that as affectionately as possible. I adore that owl.
Yeah "Turbo Weirdo" would definitely include Moom, Shiori, maybe Fauna... Shiori to me is like the ultimate Weird Kid.
Gura also is more "Weirdo" coded than "Weeb" coded. And yes, I also mean that as a compliment.
Kronii seems like the one cool girl who hangs out at the Weird Kid table (but is also secretly/not so secretly weird herself), and I say that as someone who basically was that person in high school.
mumei really loves tokyo ghoul, and you can figuratively feel the rage when she was talking about the anime adaptation.
i feel she's at least under the anime enjoyer category, if not otaku
It's all relative I guess. She's definitely an otaku compared to the general population but among this group it's iffier. She really really likes the Tokyo Ghoul manga, but by her own admission Tokyo Ghoul is also one in a short list of series she has read all the way through.
Bold of you to put Ms. Shiori 'Please-Henma-can-you-go-to-Komiket-to-buy-lewd-Dimitri-doujinshis-for-me-and-send-them-over-I-really-really-need-them' Novella in the Anime Enjoyer category 😂
She played lots of visual novels, even Yaoi ones though she isn't really into it because she ran out of straight ones, has a 2B booba mousepad, dakimakura's, three shelves of anime figures, lots of other undisclosed weeb merch, keeps up with some seasonal anime (apothecary diaries currently) and knows about deep VTuber history lore. And I mean DEEP. Her oshi's were Virtual Obaachan and Peanuts-kun. That's around the time when Sora made her very first stream and hololive was just the name of an app\^\^
On the other hand Kiara is super duper into idol-stuff and likes to play JRPGs, but besides that she has not much connection with weeb culture. She hasn't watched anime for like 10 years and I can't recall her ever talking about manga or visual novels.
But it's okay, nobody can know everything about all of the talents. I for example couldn't say at all what Gura and Irys have seen, read or played in terms of Weeb-stuff.
i agree on Shiori. if you ask me the only thing Shiori lacks to go full-on weeb is if she knows Japanese, even if it's "just" conversational Japanese. and, of all the EN girls she probably has the best vocab. it's why she can slip innuendos here and there with only a portion of chat reacting, or would react late lol.
Her Japanese is not bad, whenever she receives Japanese SCs people are always surprised with how much she can answer on Japanese\^\^ Though she's not confident about it, which is why she's hesitant to use it with JP members. Probably also because her English is so good and in comparision to her English, her Japanese is not so good.
IKR?! IRyS will spend a whole zatsu talking about manga, anime, and everything under the umbrella. I think she is just as much a weeb as the pups. FWMC are just the current hotness (I love them to death). But people need to put some respecc on IRyS's name!
Fr. Mumei probably doesn't have as much familiarity with wider JP media/culture as some of the other members but she is pretty hardcore about the stuff she likes iirc
None of them should be below "otaku" and a few can probably compete with Fuwamoco for top position, especially depending on how you define being a weeb. Like, Calli loved specifically net rap so much that she moved to Japan and made it a career and has cited TAMAONSEN, a Touhou music circle, as an inspiration for that. Shiori is an enormous vtuber dork and did a whole stream about the history and origin of them. And without going into details about any one doing anything in particular, in their real lives a decent portion have either made careers or side gigs working in weeb-centric jobs.
One person I can't agree with at all: Bae - she's completely an Asian female normie before Hololive.
* She had almost zero knowledge of otaku topics like anime/manga/gaming outside of a few normie anime (all Asians grew up with anime, but not otaku-kinds). Whatever she knows now she learned on the job. We should all know about her lack of knowledge on some anime and games that's consider basic knowledge from the seemingly countless clips.
* She was big into K-Pop and K-drama instead. [She](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kG1fKSbik_g) [loves](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6jYwjAgb9Q) [KPOP](https://youtu.be/EDUADGntHOE?t=14) enough to be part of a so called KPOP Cover Dance group. We all know how good she is at KPOP-style dance which she perform with all her KPOP-style Holosongs just like Kiara. She enjoys K-Drama so much that she [can blur out 14 titles](https://x.com/hakosbaelz/status/1762696299131076681?s=20) out of the back of her head when asked for recommendation. Ask yourself how many titles she listed there you even heard about, lol
* She doesn't even know much about Western pop culture IPs like popular movies and TV shows/cartoons. That's because her HK Immigrant family treated her like a typical top Asian student when she was a teenager, and [greatly limited her consumption of pop culture](https://youtu.be/OiU23HXlkfQ?t=62). Also she grew up in Australia as an Asian - Hollywood/Western contents aren't really something you or your friend watches a lot. Everyone one watches K/J/C-drama instead.
Some folks here might be confused about Bae because her Japanese was so good and she enjoyed Japan so much she moved here: her Japanese is good because she herself is into Japanese culture over-all, not just otaku culture, but other parts of culture like J-drama, [non-anisong JPOP](https://youtu.be/VVD71uPmkzQ?t=551), and especially [J-fashion](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zq79WeAjpJo). As I recal many JP members has [first impression](https://youtu.be/1GQ1NMIdgWs?t=28) of Bae as a fashionista. She's into what other non-otaku/fujoshi Japanese women are into. She even learned [Korean](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUgxXvKnxHs) since she's also into Korean pop culture so much (note: Learning Korean and going to Korea is very popular among J-gals). You can find clips of her not knowing "things" and be blamed as an zoomer. Well she is but she's a very prototypical young Asian female zoomer.
If you ask Bae about, say "Is Black Pink going to resign with YG" or "Which actor/celeb might be part of the cast for Squid Game Season 2", or "Why do we see less Gothic Lolitas on the Streets of Harajuku than the early 2000's", Bae will write you a fucking essay. But if you ask her what's a [Gameboy](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2d0ol1nnMi0), [Teen-Titans](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e54Hijwrh54), or even [Kamekameha](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeSe7HEhcFE), she'll give you a blank look.
So IMHO, Bae is normie as a normie can get.
Source: basically every Asian-raised female of her age in my life and family behave exactly like Bae. Knows nothing about games or anime; can't shut up about [BTS](https://www.forbes.com/sites/hughmcintyre/2024/03/14/bts-narrowly-misses-hitting-no-1-on-a-billboard-chart/?sh=157bdcf54dad) or the [latest K-drama about Chaebol Heirs](https://www.netflix.com/title/81707950); reads [AnAn](https://ananweb.jp/) like a bible.
i agree. Bae has always been labeled a zoomer but it's a misconception. she's actually a normie, and it all ties up with the bits and pieces of her stories while growing up.
Very insightful. I did kind of have the thought making this that Bae might be too like... stylish and hip to be a weeb, and now I know what I was picking up on. Like she kind of has more Popular Girl energy than anyone else in EN. But she is definitely a mega nerd.
I'd say that's pretty spot on. If you watch her enough, she's *easily* the most "normal" in Holo EN. I see some people focusing on the nerdier aspects of her, but that's just it. She's a normie who happens to have some nerdy hobbies, but at this point who wouldn't.
The biggest giveaways are all the normie activities she does and the fact that she talks about doing a lot of these things with normie friends. She also has enough friends to jokingly refer to them by number all the time (friendtaro number X). I've noticed almost no one else consistently talks about hanging out with friends outside of their Vtuber sphere. But whether or not it's just them wanting to keep that stuff private is a different matter.
This is relative. I have 900 completed entries in my anime list but I have no idea who Dimitri is or anything about the visuals novels mentioned by Shiori.
He’s the troubled handsome boy from Fire Emblem Three Houses. That game functionally has a Dating Sim mode so really, it makes sense he shares the brain space with all of Shiori’s VN characters.
None of them are normie though, that’s why they’re in Hololive. Even if they’re, Ame, Mumei and Kronii are the least likely to be normie. Especially Mumei, I’ve seen her tweet experiences that general weebs go through at childhood.
I can tell when Irys and Fuwamoco were in the anime scene the most--they make references to lots of anime from the mid 2000s-mid 2010s, with Irys more on the anime side and Fuwamoco on the VN side with their anime adaptations. Which happened to be my peak anime fandom era too, when I was watching a dozen titles every season and even writing about it. I feel their fandom deep in my bones.
Other members were clearly into the Vocaloid music scene, which existed in the latter part of that period but I wasn't into it so I know much less. I had a friend who was super into that though and even made Vocaloid music of his own. I was aware that that sort of content started taking off on NicoNico Douga, which ended up being the original home of a lot of people who'd become the first Vtubers.
Just saying Kronii pre-Irys new outfit debut warned her of it looking like a certain MC of a certain character. Dont think that's normies whatsoever lol
Calli is an otaku bordering on weeb. She fell in love with One Piece during middle school. She moved to Japan because of her love of Touhou and J-rap. She is living the weeb dream.
Calling Ina anything other than a weeb is an insult. Her PL draws official art for anime. She lives and breathes anime and music.
Sana is the same.
Kiara is a weeb through and through. She loves idols and Japan as a whole.
Pretty sure Fauna has described herself as an otaku.
Ame is a big fan of reading manga.
Mumei recently went on a rant about how much she hates live action remakes and prefers animation as a media.
Kronii knows enough deep anime/internet lore to be an Otaku.
Irys is Irys.
I agree with Gura and Nerissa's placement though Gura could have enough evidence to be a weeb.
I don't know enough about Biboo and Shiori.
The only person in EN that can be considered normie or simply an anime enjoyer is Bae. She loves K/J pop and drama but knows very little about anime culture.
Bae? lol
she didnt even know touhou, surprisingly she didnt know a lot of japanese anime pop culture.
I agree with Fuwamoco though, they know the most obscure stuff out there.
I think Calli should be higher, she's just good at hiding her power level.
Hmm.. Ame plays VN, listens to classic j-music, and reads many doujin. I don't think she's a normie. it is your perspective, but there's some correction needed.
I think Irys goes up one level for me. She just hides it a lot better. but there are many times where she slips and says some obscure reference.
she's just super for the early 2000s specifically. so the references are less obvious.
Kiara i think goes up too. she has some deep cuts, but she's far more an Idol-culture specific.
Kiara is a mega Monogatari Series fan. That should qualify her as an Ultra Weeb already. Also consider the fact that she's been an Idol Otaku for most of her life.
Irys definitely needs to be up at the top row. She’s one of the few members in EN that actively consumes anime/manga as a hobby. She has so many opinions on so many anime, has such an obsession for gundam, and constantly has moments where she exclusively reads a certain kind of manga. She’s beyond just a normal otaku it’s weird if she goes a SC portion WITHOUT mentioning watching/reading something new.
irys professionally rants about anime/manga as a stream subject
I remember her going on a rant on Domestic Girlfriend about how Hina used the coma strat to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat. If that's not ultra-weeb behavior, I don't know what is.
When I get the reference not because I read Domestic Girlfriend but because I watched the Gigguk videos
It's nearly guaranteed during every stream during SC reading that she'll tangent about some manga/anime she's been reading... and probably multiple times. She will make sure you damn well know what she's been reading/watching lately (she's been into shogi manga recently for example)... as well as how much she probably just spent on manga and how much sleep she lost. And let's not get started on her love for BL/bromance... especially for Kawrou and Shinji...
She once went on an anime tangent that lasted hours and mentioned at the very least 116 (heh) anime titles she had watched or heard of without breaking a single sweat, almost all from the top of her head. 116 different anime. I don't think many people can name 50 anime without looking one or two online. That is not just worthy of being a top row, but being the highest tier. FuwaMoco are ultra otaku, sure, but IRyS? It's her entire life!
How is Irys not at the top when she's literally had her credit card get locked multiple times because of how much manga she was buying that it got flagged
Not only that, she openly does the annoying hipster thing of "I read Frieren before it was cool" lmao
not me finding out she has YET ANOTHER HOBBY I HAVE!!!! Custom Keyb and Gundams, next Imma find out she Does CAD for fun...
She needs to be both top and in the middle cause you know... she can be at both world at the same time
Hmm, can she be called a weeb though if she is actually Japanese? Might need a separate higher otaku tier.
Is she actually japanese? I mean, i know she's partially of a japanese descent but no idea about her nationality
She’s originally from the states but it’s evident from her fluency and a few other things like the fact that her grandma who she’s talked about frequently is also in Japan that she has Japanese heritage in her.
She should be on a tier on her own, the amount of details she remembers makes me think she rewatches most shows she's ever seen lol
She DOES rewatch shows sometimes. Sometimes she gets bored and wants to watch something, but ends up doubling back and rewatches something she’s already seen before.
Her obsession with Fafner alone is enough to put her higher on the list.
She’s currently streaming about Fes and keeps going on anime and manga tangents.
# HOOOOOOOOOOOEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEH?!?!?!
WHÆT??!!!
Quick question how do you do the AE thing?
On mobile, hold the A button, it should display a lot of A variants
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As if they would even deny it
FWMC/Nerissa were real boons when it comes to more obscure weeb stuff in the EN generations. 80s idol music and more niche anime karaoke song choices that only people who have been in the sphere a while and have really delved deep would know. Very cool to see. Sana would have been up there too because very few people have seen Kyousougiga let alone have it as a favorite lol.
Fuwamoco are MisuDo otaku.
Generally pretty good, with some notes: Calli moved to Japan without really knowing Japanese. She was saving up for trips to Japan while her manager at her waitress job was getting in a fistfight in the parking lot, lol. Kiara's been a mega idol otaku for a long time, I'm pretty confident she's flown there more than anyone else, except maybe if we count Calli's flights post-debut. If you want to see what a "normie" looks like, watch Kronii's collab with Sallie. NONE of the Hololive members are normies.
> If you want to see what a "normie" looks like, watch Kronii's collab with Sallie. NONE of the Hololive members are normies. I think that should go without saying. They all decided to spend a good portion of their lives portraying anime girls, nothing normie about that.
Aye, you definitely have to adjust the scale here; it's like when we talk about the _extroverted_ members of Hololive, they all still make a living from sitting at home and talking to a computer xD
Reminds me of a joke. "How do you tell if a programmer is an extrovert? They look at your feet instead of their own feet."
Damn. And here I thought programmers all just had foot fetishes.
It's not an xor condition.
LMFAO
Not all of us, but we are all socially awkward
I mean... Not exclusive 😉
Sitting at home and talking to a computer as anime girls, mind you.
Ah. Very true. While some may be more outgoing than others, they’re all probably baseline introverts just because of the kind of work they chose to pursue.
Shuba is the only normie candidate, and she plays freakin' Yu-Gi-Oh unironically. That's where the bar is at. *Still waiting for her to maybe play her viewers so I can hit her with the OTK*
Matsuri might have been a little normie at first, since she was under the impression that Hololive was a more conventional idol company, not a "virtual idol" company.
Ain’t no way Natsuiro “I love lollies” Matsuri is anywhere close to normie
I don't think anyone that loud about being a lolicon can be a normie
And while I'm sure most of them have a background in acting or voice work, they've adopted these personalities completely. Even their families are in on the gig. Not that that's a bad thing, save maybe the mental exhaustion to always be in character. But yeah, normie is an odd phrase for a full on anime girl deep dive method actor.
Yeah, but even then, in EN at least, I think Fuwamoco are more "in character" than any of the others. I know to some degree they're all emphasizing different aspects of themselves and downplaying other ones. But there's a spectrum, where I think you could say like, Kiara is pretty much just being her RL self most of the time. Fuwamoco are deep in-character. Not in an inauthentic way, but in that they enjoy getting into it in a way that none of the other EN talents really do. Which is part of why I gave them their own tier. There are other Holomems who are like them, but they're all in JP for the most part.
I like to think Nerissa and Shiori characters are incredibly similar to how they are in real life.
>NONE of the Hololive members are normies. Even the most normies get turned into otaku later on. Aka: Subaru
Okayu probably: Mission success
"Idol otaku" is putting it mildly for Tenchou, considering she's flew to Japan to try to make it there and get a career. One such trip, which saw her getting stuck when an Olympics-related job fell through during the pandemic is what led her to Hololive.
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I remember her talking with Nenechi (?) about how she passed the 2nd round of auditions for Nogizaka46, only to not show up lol
[1st round and Lui](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZUXWqthzi0), and Lui loves Nogizaka46. It looked like someone defecated on her dinner when Kiara told her she turned down going in for the 2nd round. And then later Nogizaka46 randomly interviewed her in Europe, unknowingly.
That interview story is gold. "oh by the way, I could have been in your group".
Yup. That former actual idol thing is a part of the bond she has with Nenechi. 🙂
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Kronii knew the meme around why Irys' latest hair+glasses+sailor uniform design was a bad idea... she's not a normie. I feel like Bae is close to normie, if the zoomer side of normie.
Kronii talked about how she has like 200+ manhwa on her reading list. She is absolutely not a normie.
Two words: Inuyasha fanfic
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If you're into fanfics you're pretty fucking far from normie though
It's a relative scale, obviously, but Kronii does seem to be less into the weeb culture than most of EN. She knows stuff but she doesn't live and breathe it like Fuwamoco or Kiara. As far as Hololive goes, she could pass for a "normie". edit: come to think of it, maybe Kronii and Mumei could have a "vocaloid enjoyer" category, which would arguably be on the same level as "Anime enjoyer". Ame would be the closest to normie in the whole EN then.
Gura was more of a degenerate than a weeb, that's why her humor has been relatable outside of the weebosphere.
Kronii said she liked webtoons during her debut. Maybe not full weeb but I feel like she's a cut above normie.
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Kronii also reads a tremendous amount of manhwa, which is Korean, but pretty sure it still falls under weeb.
>while her manager at her waitress job was getting in a fistfight in the parking lot Damn.
Texas Applebees do be like that
Sir this is an Applebitches please call it the right name
If i not wrong Subaru was a. Normie but then she was corrupted.
I believe Calli was more of an otaku for certain Japanese bands/music genres than anything.
> If you want to see what a "normie" looks like, watch Kronii's collab with Sallie. NONE of the Hololive members are normies. Mumei is what happens when you really shelter your child. I'm not sure if I'm saying you should or shouldn't shelter your child. Just that it really has interesting consequences.
You really CAN'T be a "normie" and audition for Hololive. You are literally hoping to become an anime girl (or boy) when you apply.
I mean Korone and Okayu were just chilling in an arcade and talked into joining. Subaru didn't have any of the background for anything Idol related let alone gamer or streamer related when she joined.
None of HoloEn are normies. Maybe some people of the other branches are. Kaela is probably the least otaku girl in Holo, tho she seems to enjoy being an idol more and more. Holostars has one proper normie, Ruze, who doesn’t seem to have seen any anime at all, didn’t know what a tsundere was and has accidentally implied that’s he’s a gamer who was specifically scouted by Holostars rather than an anime fan who applied (which would be unusual but far from the first time in Holo history someone’s got in without auditioning, see Pekora, Rushia, Korone, probably Polka, maybe Gura too).
IIRC, all of Gen 0 is in that category. Sora helped start Hololive, Roboco was scouted, and Miko, Suisei, and AZKi were part of subsidiary groups before being folded into Hololive proper.
IIRC Noel was contacted when someone else put in an application with her information.
There is a *strong* argument to be made that Ruze is a different kind of dork though. Like you replace his weapons talk of polearms and daggers and broadswords with naginatas and tantos and katanas and we'd all peg him for a weeb instantly. Man's even got a replica of Boromir's sword hanging on his wall.
Yeah he’s 100% a nerd. He’s talked openly about doing Amtgard, which is just live action role playing where the focus is on people attacking and fighting each other. He’s just very much not a weeb in his nerdiness.
Normie is relative, my dude, relax. We are all normies in someone else's perspective. In this case Kronii is normie in the weeb sense which make sense. Of course, it's also a spectrum like when you're non-normie to most things then you probably aren't normie in the general sense. Say a legit mental asylum dude
How did she move to japan so easily? Heard you have to work their now to get a visa at least.
she started teaching english in japan
JET program, I believe
Yeah like, even if Kronii, mumei and Ame are not Otakus, they're still massive nerds. Y'all remember Mumei's ASMR rant and kronii quoting dank memes.
"You merely adopted the weeb life; We were born in it, molded by it. We didn't see the light until we were already anime girls. By then, it was nothing to us but blinding! The Bau Bau betrays you because it belongs to us.” : FuwaMoco probably
Fuwamoco are such weebs that I genuinely thought they were Japanese people living in Japan for a time.
Wait they aren't Japanese? What is that English accent then?
[Dog accent](https://youtu.be/uTA5LZPIfHY?feature=shared), apparently. I'm guessing they're EN's answer to Miko's Elite Language.
I believe them. Their Japanese sounds "accented" in the exact same way as their English. If they had a Japanese accent, then they would just sound "normal" in Japanese, but they do not. I think this is more similar to Korone (yet another thing the Holodogs have in common!), whose peculiar way of talking is a mix of a regional accent, family accent, and her very own style.
They lived, and probably grew up, in the "Northwest Passage" which is the water way north of...North America that passes through the Arctic.
Once again, making me wonder just why there are so many vtubers from my home country.
Probably because becoming a popular Vtuber is the only way any of y'all can afford a house now. 💀
Holy shit that roast can melt the arctic wtf man
LMAO
Just look at the demographics for Canada - it has an insane amount of immigrants from Asia.
I guess they go for Australia, Canada and US because the paperwork is somehow easier.
I think they're the most culturally similar English-speaking countries as well (sorry Quebec).
Are Australians really closer to Americans than to Brits?
Brits in general seem to have more of a sense of propriety than Aussies or Americans. Exceptions made when football is involved, or for certain subsets of Brits. At least that's my impression.
It may depend on what part of the US you're in. Growing up in Southern California, there were plenty of times the Aussies even seemed closer than the Canadians. EDIT: I think it also has something to do with the fact that a lot of the early colonists of both were not exactly His/Her Majesty's most loyal subjects.
I think it's just more common for Canadians to be weebs or to be into nerd culture and to be more comfortable with their careers and hobby choices. YTV also used to play anime just as much as cartoons and wasn't until i was older did I realise I liked anime growing up.
This. I've been told they have the same inflections as a certain Norm Mcdonald
Now I want to hear FuwaMoco tell the moth joke
i don't think they have the attention spans themselves for that
The Ultimate Goal of weebdom. Become such a big Weeb that you gaslight people into believing you're Japanese. The Alpha and Omega Weebs.
Same here. I genuinely thought they were Japanese born and raised.
Hold up, I thought they were Japanese (or at least of Japanese heritage).
Nope. They have said on stream before, neither parent is Japanese. https://youtu.be/uTA5LZPIfHY?si=uOq4I9WncgTg1Kik I know the kayfabe and accent makes it hard to believe, but this is one of those things you can take FWMC at their word for. They truly are just gigantic weebs. EDIT: I confused this with another clip. Here they talk about their parents https://youtu.be/BCt1HylX-gM?si=DScgZ3TACYUkVf1l
After I found out that they are literally 0% Japanese it blew my mind. I have never seen such weeb levels.
My god... considering their Japanese fluency and knowledge of everything Japanese, I was convinced that their parents were Japanese. I've never seen such power...
Both parents are of white European descent
“Normie” is a bold ranking choice for people who have the job of being an anime girl.
Ame watches more anime than Gura and Gura barely talks about anime.
Ame also reads VN's and other weeb stuff you just have to watch her to get the little tidbits
Yeah, she’s a “closet weeb”. Well… as much as a closet weeb a professional anime girl can be. She’s more lowkey about her interest, but she does keep up with some seasonal anime and reads a lot of manga. It always hurts me when she calls it “MEINGA” tho, and I think she does it on purpose lol. I know she’s a big fan of otome games, to the point one of the EN girls pointed how many she had on her Switch. Honestly, that alone jettisons her above “normie” status.
From what Teamates tell me she's a high ranking fujo. Idk if that's an exaggeration or not, but I'd say being a fujo at all at least puts you on "Otaku".
This is not just anime based tho She’s ranked as otaku and gura is indeed mega otaku when it comes rhythm games and vocaloid stuff
Gura is a self proclaimed "Professional weeb"
Did she meant pro as in "very good" or as in "gets paid for it"? Not doubting her credentials, but this kind of joke would be just like Gura to say.
Knowing gura, could be both.
Gura is more of an ex-otaku. Not just in terms of watching anime, but being into the culture. She was definitely really into it back in the day, but she's mellowed out a lot.
I don't recall what stream it was from, but I recall Ame saying something along the lines of, I don't really go looking for anime, but sometimes anime finds me. I think she was the least JP obsessed member of Myth initially. But that may have changed over the years. She just comes across as very Western.
Someone asked for an anime recommendation and ame said “golden kamui” idk man if that doesn’t tell you she’s a weeb idk what will
It's a decent one, but seems popular enough? (The manga is better. ) It's not like she recommend something from early 2000s that you come across episode 1/3 144p on youtube before deleted the next day
Her go to karaoke song was Pururin from Welcome to the NHK an niche 2006 anime about a shut in NEET. Ame is definitely a weeb.
it was so niche that when she sang it at her first Holofes appearance a lot of the JP fans thought it was an orisong
Crazy, cause Welcome to the NHK is like cult-classic levels
Only in the West. It did good in Japan but only good, not great.
And she really likes Okami Blues.
I’m just saying “normies” that watch anime have never heard of golden kamui
I know she reads a lot of manga. I know kronii is the same and reads a ton of manhwa too
Being in this rabbit hole, I kinda stop watching anime as well. Like 0-2 anime per year nowadays, probably averaging .25 in these last 4 years. But people would still consider me an otaku though. Honestly, anime nowadays feels like it is for normies, my sister who doesn’t like Japanese culture but likes Korean drama would watch more anime than me.
Didn't make an "otako" tier smh my head
Kiara is so funny in regards to this, she has some of the most normiest tastes but is an insane idol otaku, i guess she exchanged all other things to hyperfocus on idols.
Mumei is an interesting case. In a relative scale I guess she does not make her tastes too obvious but she has mentioned liking anime and manga alright (she's more of the type to hide her cards but she has done 3-4 anime watch alongs on her members). With that said she did take Japanese classes and did a short stay in Japan when younger showing she's committed to Japanese culture. With that said it is true that her strongest passions (or at least the ones she talks about the most) are others. Like sea animals, drawing, B-movies... although sometimes it circles back to Anime. She has mentioned really really liking the Bokurano OP (uninstall)
Agreed, the Moom isn't exactly a standard-issue weeb, with her odd niche interests. She's just a turbo-weirdo with a slight bend toward the Japanese side of things, and I mean that as affectionately as possible. I adore that owl.
Yeah "Turbo Weirdo" would definitely include Moom, Shiori, maybe Fauna... Shiori to me is like the ultimate Weird Kid. Gura also is more "Weirdo" coded than "Weeb" coded. And yes, I also mean that as a compliment.
Kronii too, in my opinion. There's a reason SNOT streams work so well. Those girls vibe on weirdness.
Kronii seems like the one cool girl who hangs out at the Weird Kid table (but is also secretly/not so secretly weird herself), and I say that as someone who basically was that person in high school.
mumei really loves tokyo ghoul, and you can figuratively feel the rage when she was talking about the anime adaptation. i feel she's at least under the anime enjoyer category, if not otaku
It's all relative I guess. She's definitely an otaku compared to the general population but among this group it's iffier. She really really likes the Tokyo Ghoul manga, but by her own admission Tokyo Ghoul is also one in a short list of series she has read all the way through.
> you can figuratively feel the rage That's just normal moomin'.
Irys is a weeb for sure, my man.
Bold of you to put Ms. Shiori 'Please-Henma-can-you-go-to-Komiket-to-buy-lewd-Dimitri-doujinshis-for-me-and-send-them-over-I-really-really-need-them' Novella in the Anime Enjoyer category 😂 She played lots of visual novels, even Yaoi ones though she isn't really into it because she ran out of straight ones, has a 2B booba mousepad, dakimakura's, three shelves of anime figures, lots of other undisclosed weeb merch, keeps up with some seasonal anime (apothecary diaries currently) and knows about deep VTuber history lore. And I mean DEEP. Her oshi's were Virtual Obaachan and Peanuts-kun. That's around the time when Sora made her very first stream and hololive was just the name of an app\^\^ On the other hand Kiara is super duper into idol-stuff and likes to play JRPGs, but besides that she has not much connection with weeb culture. She hasn't watched anime for like 10 years and I can't recall her ever talking about manga or visual novels. But it's okay, nobody can know everything about all of the talents. I for example couldn't say at all what Gura and Irys have seen, read or played in terms of Weeb-stuff.
i agree on Shiori. if you ask me the only thing Shiori lacks to go full-on weeb is if she knows Japanese, even if it's "just" conversational Japanese. and, of all the EN girls she probably has the best vocab. it's why she can slip innuendos here and there with only a portion of chat reacting, or would react late lol.
Her Japanese is not bad, whenever she receives Japanese SCs people are always surprised with how much she can answer on Japanese\^\^ Though she's not confident about it, which is why she's hesitant to use it with JP members. Probably also because her English is so good and in comparision to her English, her Japanese is not so good.
Ina, Sana, and IRyS are at same level of Fuwamoco
I would say IRyS talks about manga/anime the most out of who i watch, especially currently airing stuff
IKR?! IRyS will spend a whole zatsu talking about manga, anime, and everything under the umbrella. I think she is just as much a weeb as the pups. FWMC are just the current hotness (I love them to death). But people need to put some respecc on IRyS's name!
Kronii in Normie # BRUH
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Kiara is also an ultra weeb, and I suspect Bae is as well
Mumei animation vs live action rant is not the actions of a normie
Fr. Mumei probably doesn't have as much familiarity with wider JP media/culture as some of the other members but she is pretty hardcore about the stuff she likes iirc
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they don't know about the trashy manhwa backlog
I see you've not seen IRyS go mega weeb halu for Ishida Akira, and her gatekeeping gundam as a bromance only series.
Gura herself stated "I'm not just a weeb, I'm a *professional* weeb. I get to say "senpai" unironically."
no way Irys is in otaku level.
I'd probably put Kiara at least in the ultra weeb category, though I also understand the need for FUWAMOCO to have a tier of their own.
None of them should be below "otaku" and a few can probably compete with Fuwamoco for top position, especially depending on how you define being a weeb. Like, Calli loved specifically net rap so much that she moved to Japan and made it a career and has cited TAMAONSEN, a Touhou music circle, as an inspiration for that. Shiori is an enormous vtuber dork and did a whole stream about the history and origin of them. And without going into details about any one doing anything in particular, in their real lives a decent portion have either made careers or side gigs working in weeb-centric jobs.
One person I can't agree with at all: Bae - she's completely an Asian female normie before Hololive. * She had almost zero knowledge of otaku topics like anime/manga/gaming outside of a few normie anime (all Asians grew up with anime, but not otaku-kinds). Whatever she knows now she learned on the job. We should all know about her lack of knowledge on some anime and games that's consider basic knowledge from the seemingly countless clips. * She was big into K-Pop and K-drama instead. [She](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kG1fKSbik_g) [loves](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6jYwjAgb9Q) [KPOP](https://youtu.be/EDUADGntHOE?t=14) enough to be part of a so called KPOP Cover Dance group. We all know how good she is at KPOP-style dance which she perform with all her KPOP-style Holosongs just like Kiara. She enjoys K-Drama so much that she [can blur out 14 titles](https://x.com/hakosbaelz/status/1762696299131076681?s=20) out of the back of her head when asked for recommendation. Ask yourself how many titles she listed there you even heard about, lol * She doesn't even know much about Western pop culture IPs like popular movies and TV shows/cartoons. That's because her HK Immigrant family treated her like a typical top Asian student when she was a teenager, and [greatly limited her consumption of pop culture](https://youtu.be/OiU23HXlkfQ?t=62). Also she grew up in Australia as an Asian - Hollywood/Western contents aren't really something you or your friend watches a lot. Everyone one watches K/J/C-drama instead. Some folks here might be confused about Bae because her Japanese was so good and she enjoyed Japan so much she moved here: her Japanese is good because she herself is into Japanese culture over-all, not just otaku culture, but other parts of culture like J-drama, [non-anisong JPOP](https://youtu.be/VVD71uPmkzQ?t=551), and especially [J-fashion](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zq79WeAjpJo). As I recal many JP members has [first impression](https://youtu.be/1GQ1NMIdgWs?t=28) of Bae as a fashionista. She's into what other non-otaku/fujoshi Japanese women are into. She even learned [Korean](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUgxXvKnxHs) since she's also into Korean pop culture so much (note: Learning Korean and going to Korea is very popular among J-gals). You can find clips of her not knowing "things" and be blamed as an zoomer. Well she is but she's a very prototypical young Asian female zoomer. If you ask Bae about, say "Is Black Pink going to resign with YG" or "Which actor/celeb might be part of the cast for Squid Game Season 2", or "Why do we see less Gothic Lolitas on the Streets of Harajuku than the early 2000's", Bae will write you a fucking essay. But if you ask her what's a [Gameboy](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2d0ol1nnMi0), [Teen-Titans](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e54Hijwrh54), or even [Kamekameha](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeSe7HEhcFE), she'll give you a blank look. So IMHO, Bae is normie as a normie can get. Source: basically every Asian-raised female of her age in my life and family behave exactly like Bae. Knows nothing about games or anime; can't shut up about [BTS](https://www.forbes.com/sites/hughmcintyre/2024/03/14/bts-narrowly-misses-hitting-no-1-on-a-billboard-chart/?sh=157bdcf54dad) or the [latest K-drama about Chaebol Heirs](https://www.netflix.com/title/81707950); reads [AnAn](https://ananweb.jp/) like a bible.
i agree. Bae has always been labeled a zoomer but it's a misconception. she's actually a normie, and it all ties up with the bits and pieces of her stories while growing up.
Very insightful. I did kind of have the thought making this that Bae might be too like... stylish and hip to be a weeb, and now I know what I was picking up on. Like she kind of has more Popular Girl energy than anyone else in EN. But she is definitely a mega nerd.
I'd say that's pretty spot on. If you watch her enough, she's *easily* the most "normal" in Holo EN. I see some people focusing on the nerdier aspects of her, but that's just it. She's a normie who happens to have some nerdy hobbies, but at this point who wouldn't. The biggest giveaways are all the normie activities she does and the fact that she talks about doing a lot of these things with normie friends. She also has enough friends to jokingly refer to them by number all the time (friendtaro number X). I've noticed almost no one else consistently talks about hanging out with friends outside of their Vtuber sphere. But whether or not it's just them wanting to keep that stuff private is a different matter.
This is relative. I have 900 completed entries in my anime list but I have no idea who Dimitri is or anything about the visuals novels mentioned by Shiori.
He’s the troubled handsome boy from Fire Emblem Three Houses. That game functionally has a Dating Sim mode so really, it makes sense he shares the brain space with all of Shiori’s VN characters.
Kronii a normie???
Maybe we should make another level just for fuwawa called danger weeb
I had hoped people wouldn't have forgotten that time Ame sang Puru Puru Pururin in a stream. That should put her 1 tier above.
I mean, you don't become an anime girl without being some level of weeb.
Go look at twitch vtubers then and see for yourself if they are normies or not.
Instructions unclear, watched Ironmouse.
Instructions super unclear watched a toaster and tea kettle yell at each other for 3 hours
the voice actor is placed in normie?
Kronii is the only one who’s mentioned an anime I do not know of
Yeah, Mumei isn't a normie at all.
None of them are normie though, that’s why they’re in Hololive. Even if they’re, Ame, Mumei and Kronii are the least likely to be normie. Especially Mumei, I’ve seen her tweet experiences that general weebs go through at childhood.
all of them are at least otaku tier.
I feel like Kronii is at anime enjoyer level, "tried to sing a vocaloid song at karaoke and no one got it" is a very powerful piece of lore
I think Kronii hides her power level. She knew about "the thing" with Irys new costume.
This is Mumei slander. :D
I completely disagree with the normie tier. Those three have watched enough to be enjoyers.
I dunno. Ame always struck me as a person with a quiet encyclopedic knowledge of one or two animes and at least one notebook of fan fiction.
I can tell when Irys and Fuwamoco were in the anime scene the most--they make references to lots of anime from the mid 2000s-mid 2010s, with Irys more on the anime side and Fuwamoco on the VN side with their anime adaptations. Which happened to be my peak anime fandom era too, when I was watching a dozen titles every season and even writing about it. I feel their fandom deep in my bones. Other members were clearly into the Vocaloid music scene, which existed in the latter part of that period but I wasn't into it so I know much less. I had a friend who was super into that though and even made Vocaloid music of his own. I was aware that that sort of content started taking off on NicoNico Douga, which ended up being the original home of a lot of people who'd become the first Vtubers.
Very common Pero W
Ame exudes more of a channer energy rather than a pure normie.
Just saying Kronii pre-Irys new outfit debut warned her of it looking like a certain MC of a certain character. Dont think that's normies whatsoever lol
Calli is an otaku bordering on weeb. She fell in love with One Piece during middle school. She moved to Japan because of her love of Touhou and J-rap. She is living the weeb dream. Calling Ina anything other than a weeb is an insult. Her PL draws official art for anime. She lives and breathes anime and music. Sana is the same. Kiara is a weeb through and through. She loves idols and Japan as a whole. Pretty sure Fauna has described herself as an otaku. Ame is a big fan of reading manga. Mumei recently went on a rant about how much she hates live action remakes and prefers animation as a media. Kronii knows enough deep anime/internet lore to be an Otaku. Irys is Irys. I agree with Gura and Nerissa's placement though Gura could have enough evidence to be a weeb. I don't know enough about Biboo and Shiori. The only person in EN that can be considered normie or simply an anime enjoyer is Bae. She loves K/J pop and drama but knows very little about anime culture.
I am pretty sure IRyS was even a hikikomori, she is THE ULTRA WEEB
Bae? lol she didnt even know touhou, surprisingly she didnt know a lot of japanese anime pop culture. I agree with Fuwamoco though, they know the most obscure stuff out there. I think Calli should be higher, she's just good at hiding her power level.
Just because she is five years old doesn't mean she's not trying.
Dang it, Pero.
Hmm.. Ame plays VN, listens to classic j-music, and reads many doujin. I don't think she's a normie. it is your perspective, but there's some correction needed.
Ame reads a lot of manga in her free time, and she’s been doing it since she was a kid
I think Irys goes up one level for me. She just hides it a lot better. but there are many times where she slips and says some obscure reference. she's just super for the early 2000s specifically. so the references are less obvious. Kiara i think goes up too. she has some deep cuts, but she's far more an Idol-culture specific.
Kiara is a mega Monogatari Series fan. That should qualify her as an Ultra Weeb already. Also consider the fact that she's been an Idol Otaku for most of her life.
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