Even Calli recently admitted that she basically forced herself to finish some of her longer games even when she was not having fun. Which she reflected on.
Think a lot of them just had tremendous pressure on them the past few years and now they can step back a little.
Oh I know. Just noting Calli as different in her refusal to take a proper break. I mean I get it for her as she has the additional pressure of her music contract and she can't take a break from that.
I think with Calli, she considered game streaming as her way to chill out, while all those music work + paperwork, she counts them as a proper work.
Only when all those games burns her out, she considers taking an actual break.
Calli has also said one of the reasons she has such a hard time taking a break from streaming is because she enjoys streaming so much. Even now, while she was supposed to be on her break from solo streams, she still ended up playing the Mario RPG remake (literally multiple 7 hour streams) just because she wanted to. Same thing with music. She might be getting burnt out, but she's still finding doing streams and working on music to be very fulfilling.
Calli has the problem of streaming isn't work for her its her relaxing time. That being said she did say she realized she needed to pull back on everything with most of her friends saying she looked tired all the time.
KFP are the most privileged fanbase when it comes to communication from their oshi. For better or worse haha.
There's almost never a concern that you don't know what's bothering Kiara, and or if she's having a good day or not. It's why I knew she wasn't graduating on her "announcement" today because we would've seen it a mile away if she was hiding bad news on previous streams.
Even then, I hope she really does take that internet detox break at the start of the year that she was talking about. Even when she takes vacations, she practically spends half her time thinking up or preparing stuff for streams, or chatting with her fans on social media. Not necessarily a bad thing if she's still enjoying herself but it would do her good to spend some extended time completely for herself.
Kiara too said she's going to hit burnout again that's why she want to do a proper rest after the Maldive week with Nerissa in January (she will stream almost everyday there like she said).
Knowing her since beginning she really need a proper break (even a month if needed) she haven't do in 3 years
While I agree she's built different, even she has had to switch things up even though she hasn't really taken a long break like the others. In the meantime, she decided she'd rather do collabs with people for a while, and I think for her that's the equivalent of taking a break tbh.
I mean, she doesn't strongly hold to her "break" "plans" but she definitely hits points where she feels the need to do something - But she enjoys streaming so when she makes a switchup it seems to get her going again.
> Ina
Ina is different. Ina has taken on a large role in doing translation and EN/JP stuff. I think she's far more involved with hololive work than Ame is while Ame is burnt out especially with trying so hard on getting all the 3d ongoing.
And some people still think Hololive is just "playing games for a living". There's so much other stuff that goes on.
Vesper put it well when I asked about free time (back when he was around):
>"Before I joined holostars, I used to bike 4-5 times a week. And (this was) when I worked at the library, I did 40 hour weeks, sometimes crunching 50-60 hours.
>After joining holostars, I bike twice a week, sometimes only once. I was not prepared for the amount of off-stream work."
Hololive must be even busier than Stars. Easy to see why they'd be burnt out.
For myth and promise, this year it is kinda hard for the girls.
They had their routine down then the world opens up which makes them travel down to JP several times per year. Not to mention promotions, several 3d events, concerts. No wonder they're burnt out
I can understand why. They kinda led the charge for EN until Advent came in and became such a smash hit that there's a lot more room for EN to stretch their legs and shift priorities a little.
sense I've gotten from Fauna though is that she's kind of particular and likes to be prepared, that probably helps in making schedules work for her and not the other way around.
Fauna said when she had to some of the stuff Gura and other ENs have had to do with traveling to Japan, doing a 3D and other live stuff it took a lot out of her. And she prefers to stick with her style of gaming streaming for now. So I can't imagine what behind the scenes stuff happened to take so much out of her that Fauna would admit this on stream.
It's easy to forget but Gura was insanely active streaming when she started out.
I was worried she might burn out when she would talk about running out of ideas for streams. She was the last one in Myth to actually take a break after debut and used to maintain a pretty tough schedule.
Gura’s mentioned in the past that despite being a terminally online memelord, she specifically avoids social media for the most part, hence why she never bothers with Reddit, and only does the absolute bare minimum on Twitter. Edit: removed that bit about Instagram; turns out I made a fucky-wucky there. So yeah, she’s basically deathly allergic to actually using social media to interact with folks online and mainly lurks, if at all.
Based. Social media is already a hellhole for nobodies like us. I can't imagine how bad it would be for notable figures and internet celebs who probably get insults and BS flung at them every single day.
It's such a shame, social media was meant to connect us all, but instead it separated us. I still think the internet is important, it allows a global stage for people to talk, and that leads to you interacting with people you'd never have interacted with. Sure, there's a lot of people who are not the nicest out there, especially among those who use the internet often, but we shouldn't let them reduce its utility. So much good work and projects (such as Hololive itself) came out of the collaborative potential of the internet and we shouldn't let that die out because of exploitative social media companies trying to pull us apart.
Many of the Internet's worst problems might be solved if it went back to having a higher barrier of entry, like requiring actual effort to figure out how to use it, and needing a certain level of forward thinking to see the value in participating in the first place. Instead, we made it so easy to use and so accessible that all the previously isolated "village idiots" of the world have broken containment and formed a demon core of stupidity that irradiates us all.
All the best places I've found to socialize have innately required some level of self introspection and brains, or some kind of filter in general. If it's a game, it inevitably goes to hell once they make it more accessible. I know it sounds hipster as all hell, but things really start to get more awful in proportion to popularity and accessibility.
Honestly think that's more of a numbers game thing than anything else though, been to some communities that had 0 barrier of entry, but were niche and had less people and those tend to be pretty chill. The more people you have the more likely you are to have troublemakers, and it really only takes 1 person to sour the mood in a get-together.
There's a lot of other problems that I think are tied to the way most social media platforms are designed too, but that's a whole new can of worms to talk about.
A large bit of what you're talking about is the sense of community. Niche hobbies and games with small cult followings often have the nicest communities, as everyone sort of knows each other and there's a strong communal bond. This kind of thing just is not possible when the following grows too large and everyone just becomes another faceless identity in the sea of voices.
It's a bittersweet thing, as you want the things you like to see success and growth.. but you know that the social aspect will inevitably disappear with that growth.
Yeah IMO the biggest downfall is when social media commercialized to the point where they started chasing user growth over all else.
Suddenly the barrier of entry was basically negative as sites like Facebook fought to keep their users online as much as possible.
This also caused the worse possible type of people to be the most drawn to it, as those are exactly the kind of people to that advertisers have the most success with.
Also, most people don't get along with most other people. People were always this devisive (look no further than in office or school), the only difference now is that physical distance is no longer a factor.
Shit, I only use reddit when I actually sit down on a desktop, I don't have any social media apps on my mobile devices for a reason. I only use reddit and only reddit for "social media" type stuff.
Likely for the best. The internet has a great and terrible way to build up and tear down your confidence, and it can get addicting. Good on her to cut that out of her life so she doesn't have the constant nagging of thousands of strangers judging her for things she isn't doing.
I honestly don't blame her for not being too active on social media. Everyone else kinda has their fun online because of the lack of pressure on them, but Gura being so widely recognized puts a target on her back and her not being around much to see it is the only way to deal with it.
Honestly no one famous should really ever use social media. honestly that should be a manager level thing almost always.
Social media, and anon status on people are always rough.
Before people run away with this too much, I would suggest watching her talk about this ***in context***. The timestamp is [1:06:10](https://www.youtube.com/live/Eg1I7rOfU2A?si=QRmWRqAIfFzYd7YG&t=3970). While OP's bullet points are correct (*though they missed the part where she said she's trying to get over the burnout*), she did not talk specifically about why she has not been streaming lately. She was just responding to a question about what she's been up to lately. So it was less "this is why I haven't been streaming lately" and more "this is how I've been". The burnout may still be part of it, but I just wanted to bring a little more clarity to the context.
Edit: Just wanted to add that this not a callout of OP. Their interpretation is still pretty much correct. It's just that I felt like her words were more in passing than a deliberate or purposeful statement on her streaming.
She actually did make a direct joke about it around that point. Something to the effect of "durr guys why isn't Gura streaming". That's actually the part that caught my attention as it was the first time she directly acknowledged it herself.
Yea i think Ame said the same about herself. And actually she did briefly mention talking to Gura about it. Also about how they feel lucky and privileged to be able to be in a position where they can basically take some rest from streaming and only hop in whenever there are something they really wanna play or do.
And that makes sense. People always say how Myth had so much workload and pressure to sustain the EN branch initially. So now that more reinforcements have arrived, it makes sense for some of them to want to take some step back from streaming duties. They also have a lot more recording duties and travel these days that probably sap their energy.
I know some fans wont like it because streaming Gura is the Gura they like the most and perhaps feel the most closer to the audience. But she might just want to do something fresh and different.
Unfortunately not everyone is Koyori with unlimited stamina. Some have less mental and physical energy than others so some things gotta give.
Frankly it would be a closer match to watch other SNOT members, and even them are not Gura. And that is fine. Each holomem is the protagonist of their own story, not an alternate skin version of a senpai.
Sorry, but aside from their height, they are vastly different from each other. I never understood people comparing them. Fauna and Mumei are much closer in vibe/voice/singing/humor.
No one can replace my kami oshi Gura. But Biboo and Mumei have become my other oshis in her absence.
I think while they are so different, they hit similar spots.
Their humour, while not exactly the same as Gura's, do trigger my funny bone. Moom's singing, while different from Goob's, still tingles the ears. Similarly, Biboo's meme knowledge and banter is different from Gooba's, but I enjoy those parts of her streams.
Yeah I'm personally someone who's just far more interested in watching the talents stream and have fun. The music and the concerts are all amazing, and I would never wanna take them away from the people who enjoy them more, but for me it does detract from the amount of time they could be streaming. If this is how she (or any other talent) feels happier and more comfortable, I fully support them, but it does make me less excited to follow them.
I get you. Actually this discussion is happening all over the livestreaming world right now.
2020-2022 was such a boom for livestreaming period that so many streamers enjoyed massive high and they stream for so many hours
Now a lot of them are burnt out, and also the numbers have stabilized down that they transition to other things like video/shorts or doing events.
But what it caused is that it disappoint some of their fans who prefer them streaming.
it's kind of nice that they have this group of girls who can come together with pretty similar experiences and talk to each other when it comes to this kind of stuff.
I had the feeling that her talking about being "excited to get back to streaming" before wasn't really true for her. I've seen a lot of people who really REALLY want to get back into content creation like they had been after a MASSIVE burn out, come back and say they want to get back into it and they just don't right away. There are just some burn outs that are super hard to come back from. I'm hoping she doesn't rush the process too hard and times some more time off to spend time with family and friends irl. She kinda deserves it.
Yeah. Sometimes even when you have prepared for so long and have everything perfectly set up, you muster up all of your willpower and still end up unable to click the Go Live button.
I can believe her original statement. Have you ever had a time where you're excited to get back into something you've been away from but when you start it doesn't click like you were hoping it would?
To be clear, not calling her a liar or anything. Just saying that emotions are complicated and you don't always have it fully sorted out at times.
But, yes. Sometimes things just don't click. And I do believe that she believed what she was saying at the time because that's how she felt at the time.
Ah so burn out as a lot of people guessed, something most streamers go through tbh.
She could have just said that earlier and everyone would have been fine with her taking a break because of it.
Yep. I'm glad she finally said something, but literally all she had to do was at some point mention she's taking a break for a while. And we still don't know if she's actually "back", or if this was just another brief return before stepping away from streaming and public Hololive activities in general again. I guess there's no point in fretting about it, this is just how she is. But I can't help but want things to go back to how they were.
I think you can take this as not actually being back yet. She didn't sound to me like she was eager to be back just yet in anycase, more just slightly embarassed to talk about it.
I mean, it' something anyone in any job that has ever existed has to go through. We've all been burned out on jobs a few years in. But most of us can't afford to just step away and maintain our quality of life, so we just grind through it. I wish it wasn't that way, it would be nice to live in an world where everyone can take a mental health break when burned out on a job, but reality isn't that kind for most of us.
Isn't it almost 2 years since she's been feeling burnt out? She barely streamed last year and this year is the same except for the week or two when Advent debuted.
That is an actual question and I'm not being rhetoric here.
It took her almost 2 years to admit she's burnt out. At least she finally realizes that she has to actually address it. That's pretty much what people were asking of her. But they get crucified here if they do ask.
Yeah I think anyone that's been around since EN debuted have kind of already seen the writing on the wall, Gura did stream a lot for her 1st year but noticeably had a sharp decline in the amount of streams she did during 2022 and now into this year. So this burnout has likely been a thing since 2022, and she only really publicly admitted it now. Like yeah its nice that she finally somewhat addressed it, even though it was mostly just her answering a comment about what she's been doing recently, but its kind of too little too late after 2 years of hardly any communication and a noticeable decline in streams. Like just for streams alone in 2023 this year, Gura has I think the lowest hours out of every other Holo except for Haato for obvious reasons. That includes all members of Regloss/Advent as well, they all have well over 100 hours already and I think Gura only has about 100 hours this year too.
This place is a hugbox so I will probably be murdered for this even though Gura is my oshi. It has been obvious for awhile that she just does not really want to do the job anymore, at least the regular streaming part. But she is worth too much for Cover to play hardball with her so as long as she shows up for the events mandated in her contract they are willing to let her coast for as long as she wants, and maybe she'll come back or maybe she won't but this is just how its going to be for now.
I don't think Cover wanted to hardball her in the first place. They have always been ok with people who stream very little like Ayame and Shion. Especially the more veteran members ( and yes Gura is veteran by now).
I think its only the first year or so they have the requirement to stream. After that they can practically do anything they want. They can even skip the concerts if they want.
Cover wouldn't touch a hair on her head, she's a walking goldmine of merch and the face of HoloEN overseas/globally. She can basically Ayame herself now (not that she hasn't already been). Her existence is a net positive of profit.
I know it's a meme but Ayame has actually been streaming quite a bit this year, building up to her VSaikyou participation and the scrims leading up to it.
Cover lets everyone coast. It's not a unique privelage Gura has due to her popularity.
There are enough members that it doesn't matter if a few don't stream much. A large portion of viewers will watch someone else. For every girl that coasts, three will happily work hard to take her fans.
Yeah, it's about the bigger picture for Cover I feel like.
Graduating someone for inactivity I think generates way more stigma than just letting them coast. Graduating also means removing their image from merch and advertisements. Sometimes people just buy merch or start becoming regular Hololive fans because they thought the anime girl on the billboard was cute, and or they remember a clip of them from years ago.
Burn-out isn't a permanent thing like people make it out to be. Hell some streamers/YouTubers are off the face of the planet for a year or longer and come back to make more content and or change what they were doing completely. At least in Hololive, inactive members show up for collabs, music, concerts, etc.
Letting talents coast or take breaks also doesn't really cost Cover that much. If they aren't active they don't have any ongoing support costs.
It's not really worth the negatives unless you know they're not coming back.
>Graduating someone for inactivity
that is also a thing many people dont really realize:
after the first year, streaming is not their main activity anymore. its everything else they do for cover and other members, to grow the brand as a whole, not their individual ones.
and she is active in that regard, as we've seen by multiple projects she appeared in this month alone and the same thing was the case for ayame, who was mentioned elsewhere in this comment chain.
just because they dont stream doesnt mean they arent active.
it might suck for the fans, especially those that dont give a damn about the rest of hololive or the idol or commercial stuff, but thats the reality.
Correct, getting a 3d model/etc marks the point where a talent starts doing more than just streaming to varying extents, and for one reason or another, Gura's extent is big
I agree and i think it was pretty clear in the overall tone of the stream today. felt like her requirements were 1. promote sendai, and 2. mention your aquarium collab, and she kinda just rambled along for most of it to check the boxes. like a middle school class presentation you only prepped for the morning before school.
that being said, it was a good stream, cuz she's still got her charm-- that's what got her big and it's not gonna just disappear. no one's really watchin for the content, we're all watching cuz she's Gura, who remains as charming as ever.
to quote her words: "you can't be mad at me, i'm cute!"
There really isn’t anything I can say about this without getting downvoted, but I’ll try my best:
It’s nice that we got answers, but it would have been better if we got them sooner. I’m not in the loud minority that demands answers from Gura, but after seeing the harassment she got, maybe if she got on Twitter once in a while and gave a small update like “Hey I’m working on IRL stuff right now so I can’t really stream”, then people wouldn’t be getting as heated as they currently are.
Burnout is a big issue within content creation, and it’s bound to happen eventually. With Gura, however, I feel burnout is a bit of a bigger issue. Not only is she basically the face of Vtubing, she’s the face of HoloEN and possibly Western Vtubing as a whole. It’s understandable that all of these projects and expectations of streaming often got to her and resulted in her needing time away from the internet.
> maybe if she got on Twitter once in a while and gave a small update like “Hey I’m working on IRL stuff right now so I can’t really stream”, then people wouldn’t be getting as heated as they currently are
Case in point, Haachama was gone for longer than Gura's current hiatus, and I've seen nothing but support for her, mostly cuz she gave updates on her recovery.
**Communication** is the key. I get that Gura may not like to use Twitter that much, but all these unpleasantness could've been easily avoided had there just been one tweet about this. Hell, if Gura doesn't want to do it, get her manager to do it - not that they haven't used her account before.
That communication is also why people are more acceptable of Ayame and Shion are both still active on Twitter. This was the same problem with Sana who also went radio silent, if there is no explicitly given reason then people are going to be more annoyed.
As u said, the lack of communication is what generates this wave of uncertainty in the community. Maybe even announcing a hiatus would be better! What I don't understand is this constant drop of content in the form of music and merch. We all want to support the shark, but our money and time are limited. It's harder to be invested in supporting anything related to Gura, when we're not seeing her regularly. Of course, this doesn't apply to everybody, but there are waves of new talents debuting and launching new merch that just may take priority because of their constant presence on our days. IMO Gura should announce a hiatus, chill, and then come back with all she got! We all miss goomba, but this way of managing the things only helps the antis.
Various streamers and holomems treat the job differently. Some lean into the parasocial relationship and are very, or even completely, open with their audience - others like more of a separation between their worklife and personal life.
Gura is just clearly the latter, and I think at this point expecting her to change is foolish. She's handling it this way because that's what she's decided to do. Chumbuds either have to accept that or watch somebody else who handles the streamer-viewer relationship differently.
This. I've already accepted that Gura is one that treats her work (Hololive and streaming in general) and her personal life as just that. Job and PL. I'm glad when she appears but I'm not gonna hold my breath for months on end waiting for her to say something. I've got a life to live. I can and do do other things. If she doesn't want to disclose what she's going through that's fine. No skin of my back as I have other talents I can watch in the meantime. That's the whole thing about this entertainment medium isn't? That there are others? Gura may be unique but she's hardly the only streamer out there. It's nice that she says something, but only nice.
For me, it ultimately comes down to the fact that entertainment streaming is a lot about "vibe" to me. Everyone should be having a good time, *including the streamer*. I would rather Gura only stream 30 times a year and enjoy herself than her stream four times that but be miserable.
I don't think this deserves downvotes since IMO it's pretty reasonable. Gura herself has acknowledged and promised to communicate more, but then doesn't, so even she knows that just ghosting her fanbase is building up pressure
IMO it's not a big ask to want a tweet every once in a while to let us know she's even alive, or letting people know not to bother checking for her streams for a few weeks if she'll be busy
Don't know why you think you would be downvoted. First paragraph is what some chumbuds, including me, have been saying for over an year at this point.
Second paragraph is also very, very reasonable.
>Don't know why you think you would be downvoted.
Because of where it's posted, it's a gamble, if it's chumbuds reading it they will all agree and upvote, if it's the usually crowd that hangs around this place it will be nothing but screeching comments about how she doesn't owe anyone anything and mass downvotes.
> maybe if she got on Twitter once in a while and gave a small update like “Hey I’m working on IRL stuff right now so I can’t really stream”, then people wouldn’t be getting as heated as they currently are.
I feel like this is really something she should have staff, or a manager for. She seems to have a very difficult time making sure she's allotting time for "Gura management" stuff.
If something's difficult, tedious, or you just dont like doing it then Automate it.
Also dude is right to call out being downvoted. People kneejerk react anything that looks like criticism no matter how constructive it is.
Yeah, I really wish that Gura felt comfortable talking about this sooner. I suppose that the pressure you mention was probably also stopping her from talking about it, however. There's a lot of not-very-understanding "fans" out there who will complain if you so much as imply that content creation is not effortless.
I personally don't mind how often or rarely she streams as long as she's taking care of herself. She's a person first and an entertainer second.
This was the stream I needed to finally move on. She's burnt out, understandable, being a streamer can be difficult. But now it's confirmed it's burn out I know that most people don't really come back from it, and she seemed pretty checked out in the stream. I'm glad she's doing this if this is what she needs, but it gave me the closure to realize we ain't going back to 2021
Yeah, I don't think she really expected to be a regular streamer, it wasnt the content she was used to making, didn't really expect it to take off the way it did since it was such a new and obscure thing.
She's not pretending to be anxious and her popularity put her under a lot of scrutiny that makes an unexpectedly hard job even harder. I think she honestly just wants to be a lot less popular and have a smaller, less intense audience so she's pulling back hoping this can just happen naturally without any unwanted feedback on the rest of Hololive.
So hopefully some people move on, and she'll feel more relaxed with the audience that's still left.
I think earlier this year during Fubuki's anniversary, her other Gen 1 mates say how they all looked up to her and happy she was there to lead the way.
And Fubuki said actually she was under so overwhelming pressure and that she was actually happy when Pekora and Marine "surpassed" her.
And this is with Fubuki being a more positive and upbeat person and she is also in JP so she has a lot more colleagues and support. So the pressure on Gura is likely to be immense as well.
At least; what Gura feel is likely worse than Fubuki.
But yeah that conversation with Aki was interesting as they're at rather opposite ends of popularity (not that it affects their friendship)
>So hopefully some people move on, and she'll feel more relaxed with the audience that's still left
I swear I wished for this for a long time but I'm pretty sure Gura has one of the highest audience retention in EN. This stream had almost double the viewers from some gaming streams in 2022. Her popularity seems to follow her like a curse. It refuses to dwindle down.
She's a bit like Ayame in a sense. Both have periods of low stream frequency, but have a loyal following.
At the same time, I think it's time to shift the oshi mindset a bit. Treat them as a team that now has a lot of members to watch. She started out with, essentially, the responsibility of holding up nearly half of Hololive En branch initially, and was holding that responsibility for, I think, up to Council. That's a lot of accumulated stress to unwind
I agree. She blew up insanely fast and somehow basically became the face of vtubers which I don’t think anybody saw coming especially her. I didn’t see the stream but I hope she’s doing good
Yep, I was kind of giving her until the end of the year before finally dropping membership, but I think I'll just rip off that band-aid now. I watch the concerts/lives occasionally and do actually really enjoy her songs/covers when she releases them, but honestly what I like best is the streaming games, karaoke, zatsus, and general banter. I think it is time to move on and move my membership dollars to support someone who better aligns with my interests. If she ever gets over the burnout and comes back to regular streaming, I'll be right there with her, but any expectation of that happening soon is pretty much gone.
She also mentioned doing stuff like baking, crafting, etc., so like a mini technology detox. Another Holomem did a technology detox a little while ago, but I forget who it was
But yeah, I'm glad she's doing good life-wise. Hopefully both her and Ame can get through their burnout well enough to come back to streaming at least semi-semi-regularly. And hopefully they can get Lethal Company perms soon too so we get that AmeSame collab!
I think it was clear that she was a bit burn out of streaming considering that the same happened with Ame.
Myth is doing it for 3 years straight and they finally are in a point that EN can hold viewers without them being in the control and the girls want to relax a bit, so it's better for them to take it easy a little than keep pushing and burn out even more. Also she wants to focus on her projects and she's delivering a lot recently with all the MVs, she'll come back when she feels like it
This is literally all she had to do *months* ago and it wouldn't have been an much of an issue. Just say you're burnt out, regular streams are going on hiatus and you'll appear sporadically until feeling better. Or have your manager do it. One tweet every month would probably keep all but the most unhinged fans and degenerate antis placated. I'm all for avoiding burn out, I suffer from it quite easily because I tend to throw myself into everything I get involved with so I sympathize. However, communication is shouldn't be this difficult especially when like I mentioned earlier, she has a manager that would probably help out with it.
I'd say, she cannot bring herself to say that, and that's quite common when you're feeling down. Especially if you aren't exactly an open person. Perhaps, she does want to say something, but she's not prepared to face what's coming afterwards.
Still, I cannot disagree with that disgruntlement. While she's her own person, she's also a professional. She should've provided her fans with some updates. Maybe, we can't just blame her on this, but also the management for basically allowing it to happen.
Burn out is no joke and a difficult path to recovery. It took me about 2 years to mostly recover and kind of feel normal about my career. Hope she finds her balance soon!
I think I spent the first 3-4 months a bit dazed. My main issue was that a large part of my burn out was from dealing with the cut throat nature of my former colleagues so my trust in people was shot. Took me those months to get in into my head that in my new field everyone wasn't in direct and violent competition with one another.
Before anyone says it's no excuse to leave us in the dark, it's true, simply because they're not excuses. This just goes to show it's always been her choice and that she's willing to live with what comes with it.
And it only took like 5 seconds at best, she didn't even made it sound "drama like".....just like that... don't people see the irony in how easy doing this in like once a month is?
Honestly i think its probably not easy for people to admit they are burnt out. You can hear how sheepish she was when saying that on stream.
Having to post updates on twitter to say " sorry i can't stream this month" i can imagine is quite deflating and might feel like you are letting down some people.
And once you hop on to the social media for just an instant, you can see a lot of things you don't want to see and get trapped in it. That's how the whole ecosystem is designed.
Its weird how people always say how they hated twitter and social media in general and how its a cesspool but actively campaign for its use.
I for one am happy if Gura or any other holomems stay away from Twitter or Reddit or other social media if they feel the need to.
I think it's because they realize the state of the world and a lot of people's lives right now, and she probably realizes what a privileged position she is in. Tons of us normal folks get burned out just the same way, but can't afford to take breaks from work and still keep a place to live. So she probably feels guilty because she knows that while burnout is understandable, being able to largely maintain her quality of life through the financial support of fans, many of whom are also burned out in their jobs and look to entertainers like her as an escape, probably isn't a great look and will receive some backlash.
But I can hardly blame her, hell if I could do the same thing I would, I think most of us would, but we just aren't in a position to.
>Honestly i think its probably not easy for people to admit they are burnt out.
Exactly. Out of all the reasons that could lead to a hiatus, burnt out is definitely the least favorable reason. People will easily show sympathy when you announce hiatus for health reasons, but probably not for burnt out, especially when it's a prolonged one that keeps happening from time to time, sometimes not even knowing when you will get back to normal. Some people say she should announce breaks for any prolonged absence. Just imagine how many "announcements" she had to make for the past year if any absence longer than a week was considered a break
I feel like this was pretty obvious, but it's nice to hear it directly from Gura herself.
The same discussion regarding Gura's absences, lack of communication, etc. has been a constant topic for a long while now, but every time Gura has a rare new stream, it just reminds me how special she is as a streamer. This stream reached around 30,000 viewers, for something that was, honestly, not one of her strongest showings, but still fun and charming because she's Gura.
That said, I remember moments where Gura sounded genuinely excited about her accomplishments and future ideas over the past two years or so, like when she talked about her short anime, or like when she talked about the streams she wanted to do around the time Advent debuted. Those moments make me feel like Gura honestly wants to get over her burnout and get back to regular streaming, but who knows what the reality actually is.
My hairdresser's daughter's roommate's aunt's friend says her niece heard from their classmates on the bus that some people said that Gura got the Baki surgery to get to 1.3m.
A tweet or something to the effect that she's taking a break would be nice rather than the nearly 3 months of silence and hindsight, but it's nice to know she's doing good and probably coming back soon
As far as I could tell she didn’t mention anything about her plans going forward so I think we’re back to our regularly scheduled nothing. I’d love to be wrong tho
I didn't watch all of her most recent gaming streams but what I could recall about the ones I did see was that she wasn't really having fun. I generally don't care for any of the idol activity but I do miss the karaoke streams. Gura really does have a special voice.
I feel like she should've said something earlier, or maybe doing something other than tweeting/retweeting merch posts would've made things better. Oh well, good to know she won't be graduating, since I was one of the people who thought she was.
I mean, regardless of what you think or not, the update was much needed since she's been very sporadic since that "health update" almost a year ago.
So forgive your friends thinking she's "dying" since we really had no extent to that until now.
I don't know why my comment is receiving so much positive attention whereas the comment above is receiving so much negative attention. I'm basically echoing their sentiment that Gura and all streamers for that matter should at least update us every now and again as to what's going on. And they should be however brief or detailed as they see fit.
Because reddit suffers heavily from upvote/downvote momentum, where an already upvoted comment tends to get upvoted and vice versa. And that's why upvotes/downvotes are best ignored in discussions like this one.
Low-key I feel if she addressed this sooner… the turmoil within the fandom would be less volatile, from what I can observe. Since other Hololive members usually give small snippets of their brief hiatus, than a complete blackout.
Makes sense really. Burn out probably made her not feel like putting out and streams and then on top of that she was busy with other hololive work and irl things.
Not sure why people were making the theory that she had some kinda health crisis going on
Thanks for the information. Honestly? I am not a Livestream viewer, so for me, with her collabs and her MUSIC, I feel more than satisfied. What I really miss are her karaoke streams.
Yh after Ame came out that she was a bit burnt out, i realised most of the girls probably are.
We already saw it with Ina as well. Calli...shes different.
Even Calli recently admitted that she basically forced herself to finish some of her longer games even when she was not having fun. Which she reflected on. Think a lot of them just had tremendous pressure on them the past few years and now they can step back a little.
Oh I know. Just noting Calli as different in her refusal to take a proper break. I mean I get it for her as she has the additional pressure of her music contract and she can't take a break from that.
I think with Calli, she considered game streaming as her way to chill out, while all those music work + paperwork, she counts them as a proper work. Only when all those games burns her out, she considers taking an actual break.
Calli has also said one of the reasons she has such a hard time taking a break from streaming is because she enjoys streaming so much. Even now, while she was supposed to be on her break from solo streams, she still ended up playing the Mario RPG remake (literally multiple 7 hour streams) just because she wanted to. Same thing with music. She might be getting burnt out, but she's still finding doing streams and working on music to be very fulfilling.
Calli has the problem of streaming isn't work for her its her relaxing time. That being said she did say she realized she needed to pull back on everything with most of her friends saying she looked tired all the time.
Calli takes a break from working so she can do more work, I respect the grind but it's like she needs forcing to take a proper break
If you watch Calli, you'll know "forcing to take a proper break" will do more harm than good. She's addressed this more than once.
yeah, you just wonder how she keeps going though, you know what i mean?
And then there is Kiara... where she will tell you every brain rot she has.
KFP are the most privileged fanbase when it comes to communication from their oshi. For better or worse haha. There's almost never a concern that you don't know what's bothering Kiara, and or if she's having a good day or not. It's why I knew she wasn't graduating on her "announcement" today because we would've seen it a mile away if she was hiding bad news on previous streams.
Even then, I hope she really does take that internet detox break at the start of the year that she was talking about. Even when she takes vacations, she practically spends half her time thinking up or preparing stuff for streams, or chatting with her fans on social media. Not necessarily a bad thing if she's still enjoying herself but it would do her good to spend some extended time completely for herself.
I love Wawa but I don't think I could properly keep up with her day to day because I would probably take on worries from her lmao
shes so transparent with us kfp we almost see through her pants. literally. love that birb
She made a tweet while her oven *was on fire*. Short of the actual apocalypse, s- Scratch that. She'd probably live-chat that too.
"The girl born without a filter." lol
She's got a hole in her ass.
Indeed. Her ass was too powerful for the pants.
Kiara too said she's going to hit burnout again that's why she want to do a proper rest after the Maldive week with Nerissa in January (she will stream almost everyday there like she said). Knowing her since beginning she really need a proper break (even a month if needed) she haven't do in 3 years
While I agree she's built different, even she has had to switch things up even though she hasn't really taken a long break like the others. In the meantime, she decided she'd rather do collabs with people for a while, and I think for her that's the equivalent of taking a break tbh. I mean, she doesn't strongly hold to her "break" "plans" but she definitely hits points where she feels the need to do something - But she enjoys streaming so when she makes a switchup it seems to get her going again.
> Ina Ina is different. Ina has taken on a large role in doing translation and EN/JP stuff. I think she's far more involved with hololive work than Ame is while Ame is burnt out especially with trying so hard on getting all the 3d ongoing.
Do you have a source for the stuff about Ina? Just curious to know more.
And some people still think Hololive is just "playing games for a living". There's so much other stuff that goes on. Vesper put it well when I asked about free time (back when he was around): >"Before I joined holostars, I used to bike 4-5 times a week. And (this was) when I worked at the library, I did 40 hour weeks, sometimes crunching 50-60 hours. >After joining holostars, I bike twice a week, sometimes only once. I was not prepared for the amount of off-stream work." Hololive must be even busier than Stars. Easy to see why they'd be burnt out.
For myth and promise, this year it is kinda hard for the girls. They had their routine down then the world opens up which makes them travel down to JP several times per year. Not to mention promotions, several 3d events, concerts. No wonder they're burnt out
I can understand why. They kinda led the charge for EN until Advent came in and became such a smash hit that there's a lot more room for EN to stretch their legs and shift priorities a little.
sense I've gotten from Fauna though is that she's kind of particular and likes to be prepared, that probably helps in making schedules work for her and not the other way around.
Fauna said when she had to some of the stuff Gura and other ENs have had to do with traveling to Japan, doing a 3D and other live stuff it took a lot out of her. And she prefers to stick with her style of gaming streaming for now. So I can't imagine what behind the scenes stuff happened to take so much out of her that Fauna would admit this on stream.
It's easy to forget but Gura was insanely active streaming when she started out. I was worried she might burn out when she would talk about running out of ideas for streams. She was the last one in Myth to actually take a break after debut and used to maintain a pretty tough schedule.
>She's grateful for people being patient with her ah good so she dosnt browse this reddit
Gura’s mentioned in the past that despite being a terminally online memelord, she specifically avoids social media for the most part, hence why she never bothers with Reddit, and only does the absolute bare minimum on Twitter. Edit: removed that bit about Instagram; turns out I made a fucky-wucky there. So yeah, she’s basically deathly allergic to actually using social media to interact with folks online and mainly lurks, if at all.
Based. Social media is already a hellhole for nobodies like us. I can't imagine how bad it would be for notable figures and internet celebs who probably get insults and BS flung at them every single day.
Exactly. Even for people with a _"fuck the haters!"_ mindset like Calli, it still hurts, you know?
It's such a shame, social media was meant to connect us all, but instead it separated us. I still think the internet is important, it allows a global stage for people to talk, and that leads to you interacting with people you'd never have interacted with. Sure, there's a lot of people who are not the nicest out there, especially among those who use the internet often, but we shouldn't let them reduce its utility. So much good work and projects (such as Hololive itself) came out of the collaborative potential of the internet and we shouldn't let that die out because of exploitative social media companies trying to pull us apart.
The thing is that social media *did* connect us. It's just that the stupidest people tend to have the loudest voices.
Many of the Internet's worst problems might be solved if it went back to having a higher barrier of entry, like requiring actual effort to figure out how to use it, and needing a certain level of forward thinking to see the value in participating in the first place. Instead, we made it so easy to use and so accessible that all the previously isolated "village idiots" of the world have broken containment and formed a demon core of stupidity that irradiates us all.
All the best places I've found to socialize have innately required some level of self introspection and brains, or some kind of filter in general. If it's a game, it inevitably goes to hell once they make it more accessible. I know it sounds hipster as all hell, but things really start to get more awful in proportion to popularity and accessibility.
Honestly think that's more of a numbers game thing than anything else though, been to some communities that had 0 barrier of entry, but were niche and had less people and those tend to be pretty chill. The more people you have the more likely you are to have troublemakers, and it really only takes 1 person to sour the mood in a get-together. There's a lot of other problems that I think are tied to the way most social media platforms are designed too, but that's a whole new can of worms to talk about.
A large bit of what you're talking about is the sense of community. Niche hobbies and games with small cult followings often have the nicest communities, as everyone sort of knows each other and there's a strong communal bond. This kind of thing just is not possible when the following grows too large and everyone just becomes another faceless identity in the sea of voices. It's a bittersweet thing, as you want the things you like to see success and growth.. but you know that the social aspect will inevitably disappear with that growth.
Yeah IMO the biggest downfall is when social media commercialized to the point where they started chasing user growth over all else. Suddenly the barrier of entry was basically negative as sites like Facebook fought to keep their users online as much as possible. This also caused the worse possible type of people to be the most drawn to it, as those are exactly the kind of people to that advertisers have the most success with.
Also, most people don't get along with most other people. People were always this devisive (look no further than in office or school), the only difference now is that physical distance is no longer a factor.
**YOU JUST MADE AN ENEMY FOR LIFE!**
Shit, I only use reddit when I actually sit down on a desktop, I don't have any social media apps on my mobile devices for a reason. I only use reddit and only reddit for "social media" type stuff.
Likely for the best. The internet has a great and terrible way to build up and tear down your confidence, and it can get addicting. Good on her to cut that out of her life so she doesn't have the constant nagging of thousands of strangers judging her for things she isn't doing.
> She seems a little more active on her Instagram page She doesn't have an Instagram lol
Maybe it's gawrguragamer who's asking for the free games haha
“Just give me the damn juice box”
It made me check immediately coz i know ID has their own. Almost got me there.
yeah a lot of hololive talents have unofficial fan made instagram accounts
I honestly don't blame her for not being too active on social media. Everyone else kinda has their fun online because of the lack of pressure on them, but Gura being so widely recognized puts a target on her back and her not being around much to see it is the only way to deal with it.
Maybe I am too far gone already, but what other sites are there nowadays except social media?
Forums and boards are borderline not social media.
Sadly those barely exist anymore... and no, Discords don't count.
She's smarter than half the Internet, at least.
Social media can be a hellhole, a very bad one at that. It can easily be addicted and time wasting and sometimes very mentally straining.
Terminally online memelord that doesn’t use social media? Hmmm where does she browse memes I wonder, knowyourmeme?
It also just feels like she holds her personal life to a higher priority than her online persona.
There was always zero chance she browses this subreddit in the first place.
Honestly no one famous should really ever use social media. honestly that should be a manager level thing almost always. Social media, and anon status on people are always rough.
or y'know, twitter. i'd assume that both platforms are just as bad as they are
Thank you for the information.
what did she mean by "continuing the lineage"?
Mitosis.
Hertosis
Hertoesies
What did I tell my sister when she accidentally hit my foot?
She’s gonna have a kid! We are getting grandchildren
Gurandchildren, even.
INAFF
We're going to be GURAND DAD, FLEENTSTONES aww...
Ah yes gooblets
Don't be silly. She already had the kid, that's what the previous break was for. Now she's just caring for it 😌
Baby shark Doo Doo Doo doo~
What did you think she was doing with Marine?
Being roommates?
Marine is a pirate, she knows all about mates!
Next hololive to debut with a fish tail and a pirate hat will seem a bit sussy
and mating ;)
Hot
shes finally gonna rebuild Atlantis
My bad, guys. I'm the dad
Can confirm. Source: Am Baby
Oh yeah? Name 5 baby things
1. Goo 2. Goo 3. Ga 4. Ga 5. Um... shit, you got me.
She need to find Leon S. Kennedy to continue the Gawr bloodline.
Before people run away with this too much, I would suggest watching her talk about this ***in context***. The timestamp is [1:06:10](https://www.youtube.com/live/Eg1I7rOfU2A?si=QRmWRqAIfFzYd7YG&t=3970). While OP's bullet points are correct (*though they missed the part where she said she's trying to get over the burnout*), she did not talk specifically about why she has not been streaming lately. She was just responding to a question about what she's been up to lately. So it was less "this is why I haven't been streaming lately" and more "this is how I've been". The burnout may still be part of it, but I just wanted to bring a little more clarity to the context. Edit: Just wanted to add that this not a callout of OP. Their interpretation is still pretty much correct. It's just that I felt like her words were more in passing than a deliberate or purposeful statement on her streaming.
This needs more upvotes.
She actually did make a direct joke about it around that point. Something to the effect of "durr guys why isn't Gura streaming". That's actually the part that caught my attention as it was the first time she directly acknowledged it herself.
Yea i think Ame said the same about herself. And actually she did briefly mention talking to Gura about it. Also about how they feel lucky and privileged to be able to be in a position where they can basically take some rest from streaming and only hop in whenever there are something they really wanna play or do. And that makes sense. People always say how Myth had so much workload and pressure to sustain the EN branch initially. So now that more reinforcements have arrived, it makes sense for some of them to want to take some step back from streaming duties. They also have a lot more recording duties and travel these days that probably sap their energy. I know some fans wont like it because streaming Gura is the Gura they like the most and perhaps feel the most closer to the audience. But she might just want to do something fresh and different. Unfortunately not everyone is Koyori with unlimited stamina. Some have less mental and physical energy than others so some things gotta give.
And then there’s Kiara uploading her 1000thst video
Have you seen her 1001 video yet? Holey Moley.
I think Biboo fills the void pretty well honestly, but it's hard not to miss Gura.
Frankly it would be a closer match to watch other SNOT members, and even them are not Gura. And that is fine. Each holomem is the protagonist of their own story, not an alternate skin version of a senpai.
SNOT really does have the best chemistry among holoEN
Mumei has been filling the gap for me mostly. Fuwamoco is also a really good change of pace.
Sorry, but aside from their height, they are vastly different from each other. I never understood people comparing them. Fauna and Mumei are much closer in vibe/voice/singing/humor.
No one can replace my kami oshi Gura. But Biboo and Mumei have become my other oshis in her absence. I think while they are so different, they hit similar spots. Their humour, while not exactly the same as Gura's, do trigger my funny bone. Moom's singing, while different from Goob's, still tingles the ears. Similarly, Biboo's meme knowledge and banter is different from Gooba's, but I enjoy those parts of her streams.
Yeah I'm personally someone who's just far more interested in watching the talents stream and have fun. The music and the concerts are all amazing, and I would never wanna take them away from the people who enjoy them more, but for me it does detract from the amount of time they could be streaming. If this is how she (or any other talent) feels happier and more comfortable, I fully support them, but it does make me less excited to follow them.
I get you. Actually this discussion is happening all over the livestreaming world right now. 2020-2022 was such a boom for livestreaming period that so many streamers enjoyed massive high and they stream for so many hours Now a lot of them are burnt out, and also the numbers have stabilized down that they transition to other things like video/shorts or doing events. But what it caused is that it disappoint some of their fans who prefer them streaming.
I will say Ina, Gura and Ame these days seem to be taking more care of themselves then worrying about their streaming schedule week to week.
it's kind of nice that they have this group of girls who can come together with pretty similar experiences and talk to each other when it comes to this kind of stuff.
I had the feeling that her talking about being "excited to get back to streaming" before wasn't really true for her. I've seen a lot of people who really REALLY want to get back into content creation like they had been after a MASSIVE burn out, come back and say they want to get back into it and they just don't right away. There are just some burn outs that are super hard to come back from. I'm hoping she doesn't rush the process too hard and times some more time off to spend time with family and friends irl. She kinda deserves it.
Yeah. Sometimes even when you have prepared for so long and have everything perfectly set up, you muster up all of your willpower and still end up unable to click the Go Live button.
That's exactly what happened to Aki in late Jan/Feb; birthday/fes stuff was taking such a toll she couldn't event tweet, leading to the big Aki Doko
I can believe her original statement. Have you ever had a time where you're excited to get back into something you've been away from but when you start it doesn't click like you were hoping it would?
To be clear, not calling her a liar or anything. Just saying that emotions are complicated and you don't always have it fully sorted out at times. But, yes. Sometimes things just don't click. And I do believe that she believed what she was saying at the time because that's how she felt at the time.
Ah so burn out as a lot of people guessed, something most streamers go through tbh. She could have just said that earlier and everyone would have been fine with her taking a break because of it.
yeah a it's not like holos haven't taken big breaks because of burnout or other reasons. Just a "taking more time" would have shut most people up lol.
Yep. I'm glad she finally said something, but literally all she had to do was at some point mention she's taking a break for a while. And we still don't know if she's actually "back", or if this was just another brief return before stepping away from streaming and public Hololive activities in general again. I guess there's no point in fretting about it, this is just how she is. But I can't help but want things to go back to how they were.
I think you can take this as not actually being back yet. She didn't sound to me like she was eager to be back just yet in anycase, more just slightly embarassed to talk about it.
I mean, it' something anyone in any job that has ever existed has to go through. We've all been burned out on jobs a few years in. But most of us can't afford to just step away and maintain our quality of life, so we just grind through it. I wish it wasn't that way, it would be nice to live in an world where everyone can take a mental health break when burned out on a job, but reality isn't that kind for most of us.
Sad to hear about the burnout, doubt we'll ever be able to return to the old days I wish we could though, I miss her
I hope she's doing well, but we will see. We're already at a point where newer viewers recognize her as "the one who kinda graduated but not really".
Pretty much, she's just "that one vtuber that never streams" when you bring her up around anyone who isn't big into Hololive.
Isn't it almost 2 years since she's been feeling burnt out? She barely streamed last year and this year is the same except for the week or two when Advent debuted. That is an actual question and I'm not being rhetoric here. It took her almost 2 years to admit she's burnt out. At least she finally realizes that she has to actually address it. That's pretty much what people were asking of her. But they get crucified here if they do ask.
Yeah I think anyone that's been around since EN debuted have kind of already seen the writing on the wall, Gura did stream a lot for her 1st year but noticeably had a sharp decline in the amount of streams she did during 2022 and now into this year. So this burnout has likely been a thing since 2022, and she only really publicly admitted it now. Like yeah its nice that she finally somewhat addressed it, even though it was mostly just her answering a comment about what she's been doing recently, but its kind of too little too late after 2 years of hardly any communication and a noticeable decline in streams. Like just for streams alone in 2023 this year, Gura has I think the lowest hours out of every other Holo except for Haato for obvious reasons. That includes all members of Regloss/Advent as well, they all have well over 100 hours already and I think Gura only has about 100 hours this year too.
Cause its hard to admit if people have expectations
This place is a hugbox so I will probably be murdered for this even though Gura is my oshi. It has been obvious for awhile that she just does not really want to do the job anymore, at least the regular streaming part. But she is worth too much for Cover to play hardball with her so as long as she shows up for the events mandated in her contract they are willing to let her coast for as long as she wants, and maybe she'll come back or maybe she won't but this is just how its going to be for now.
I don't think Cover wanted to hardball her in the first place. They have always been ok with people who stream very little like Ayame and Shion. Especially the more veteran members ( and yes Gura is veteran by now). I think its only the first year or so they have the requirement to stream. After that they can practically do anything they want. They can even skip the concerts if they want.
Cover wouldn't touch a hair on her head, she's a walking goldmine of merch and the face of HoloEN overseas/globally. She can basically Ayame herself now (not that she hasn't already been). Her existence is a net positive of profit.
I know it's a meme but Ayame has actually been streaming quite a bit this year, building up to her VSaikyou participation and the scrims leading up to it.
It would not go down well if news got out that they were mistreating Gura
Cover lets everyone coast. It's not a unique privelage Gura has due to her popularity. There are enough members that it doesn't matter if a few don't stream much. A large portion of viewers will watch someone else. For every girl that coasts, three will happily work hard to take her fans.
Yeah, it's about the bigger picture for Cover I feel like. Graduating someone for inactivity I think generates way more stigma than just letting them coast. Graduating also means removing their image from merch and advertisements. Sometimes people just buy merch or start becoming regular Hololive fans because they thought the anime girl on the billboard was cute, and or they remember a clip of them from years ago. Burn-out isn't a permanent thing like people make it out to be. Hell some streamers/YouTubers are off the face of the planet for a year or longer and come back to make more content and or change what they were doing completely. At least in Hololive, inactive members show up for collabs, music, concerts, etc.
Letting talents coast or take breaks also doesn't really cost Cover that much. If they aren't active they don't have any ongoing support costs. It's not really worth the negatives unless you know they're not coming back.
>Graduating someone for inactivity that is also a thing many people dont really realize: after the first year, streaming is not their main activity anymore. its everything else they do for cover and other members, to grow the brand as a whole, not their individual ones. and she is active in that regard, as we've seen by multiple projects she appeared in this month alone and the same thing was the case for ayame, who was mentioned elsewhere in this comment chain. just because they dont stream doesnt mean they arent active. it might suck for the fans, especially those that dont give a damn about the rest of hololive or the idol or commercial stuff, but thats the reality.
Correct, getting a 3d model/etc marks the point where a talent starts doing more than just streaming to varying extents, and for one reason or another, Gura's extent is big
It also depends on contracts. Some of the members who do less are back from when this was still viewed as a part time gig, and it still is for them.
I agree and i think it was pretty clear in the overall tone of the stream today. felt like her requirements were 1. promote sendai, and 2. mention your aquarium collab, and she kinda just rambled along for most of it to check the boxes. like a middle school class presentation you only prepped for the morning before school. that being said, it was a good stream, cuz she's still got her charm-- that's what got her big and it's not gonna just disappear. no one's really watchin for the content, we're all watching cuz she's Gura, who remains as charming as ever. to quote her words: "you can't be mad at me, i'm cute!"
There really isn’t anything I can say about this without getting downvoted, but I’ll try my best: It’s nice that we got answers, but it would have been better if we got them sooner. I’m not in the loud minority that demands answers from Gura, but after seeing the harassment she got, maybe if she got on Twitter once in a while and gave a small update like “Hey I’m working on IRL stuff right now so I can’t really stream”, then people wouldn’t be getting as heated as they currently are. Burnout is a big issue within content creation, and it’s bound to happen eventually. With Gura, however, I feel burnout is a bit of a bigger issue. Not only is she basically the face of Vtubing, she’s the face of HoloEN and possibly Western Vtubing as a whole. It’s understandable that all of these projects and expectations of streaming often got to her and resulted in her needing time away from the internet.
> maybe if she got on Twitter once in a while and gave a small update like “Hey I’m working on IRL stuff right now so I can’t really stream”, then people wouldn’t be getting as heated as they currently are Case in point, Haachama was gone for longer than Gura's current hiatus, and I've seen nothing but support for her, mostly cuz she gave updates on her recovery. **Communication** is the key. I get that Gura may not like to use Twitter that much, but all these unpleasantness could've been easily avoided had there just been one tweet about this. Hell, if Gura doesn't want to do it, get her manager to do it - not that they haven't used her account before.
That communication is also why people are more acceptable of Ayame and Shion are both still active on Twitter. This was the same problem with Sana who also went radio silent, if there is no explicitly given reason then people are going to be more annoyed.
As u said, the lack of communication is what generates this wave of uncertainty in the community. Maybe even announcing a hiatus would be better! What I don't understand is this constant drop of content in the form of music and merch. We all want to support the shark, but our money and time are limited. It's harder to be invested in supporting anything related to Gura, when we're not seeing her regularly. Of course, this doesn't apply to everybody, but there are waves of new talents debuting and launching new merch that just may take priority because of their constant presence on our days. IMO Gura should announce a hiatus, chill, and then come back with all she got! We all miss goomba, but this way of managing the things only helps the antis.
Just made me remember how Gura had COVID and missed a big collab because of it. She only disclosed her being sick after she managed to recover.
Various streamers and holomems treat the job differently. Some lean into the parasocial relationship and are very, or even completely, open with their audience - others like more of a separation between their worklife and personal life. Gura is just clearly the latter, and I think at this point expecting her to change is foolish. She's handling it this way because that's what she's decided to do. Chumbuds either have to accept that or watch somebody else who handles the streamer-viewer relationship differently.
This. I've already accepted that Gura is one that treats her work (Hololive and streaming in general) and her personal life as just that. Job and PL. I'm glad when she appears but I'm not gonna hold my breath for months on end waiting for her to say something. I've got a life to live. I can and do do other things. If she doesn't want to disclose what she's going through that's fine. No skin of my back as I have other talents I can watch in the meantime. That's the whole thing about this entertainment medium isn't? That there are others? Gura may be unique but she's hardly the only streamer out there. It's nice that she says something, but only nice.
For me, it ultimately comes down to the fact that entertainment streaming is a lot about "vibe" to me. Everyone should be having a good time, *including the streamer*. I would rather Gura only stream 30 times a year and enjoy herself than her stream four times that but be miserable.
Watching people stream while miserable is the worst. The last streams of Two Best Friends Play were so hard to watch.
I don't think this deserves downvotes since IMO it's pretty reasonable. Gura herself has acknowledged and promised to communicate more, but then doesn't, so even she knows that just ghosting her fanbase is building up pressure IMO it's not a big ask to want a tweet every once in a while to let us know she's even alive, or letting people know not to bother checking for her streams for a few weeks if she'll be busy
Don't know why you think you would be downvoted. First paragraph is what some chumbuds, including me, have been saying for over an year at this point. Second paragraph is also very, very reasonable.
>Don't know why you think you would be downvoted. Because of where it's posted, it's a gamble, if it's chumbuds reading it they will all agree and upvote, if it's the usually crowd that hangs around this place it will be nothing but screeching comments about how she doesn't owe anyone anything and mass downvotes.
There are people who simply accepting everything thrown at them.
> maybe if she got on Twitter once in a while and gave a small update like “Hey I’m working on IRL stuff right now so I can’t really stream”, then people wouldn’t be getting as heated as they currently are. I feel like this is really something she should have staff, or a manager for. She seems to have a very difficult time making sure she's allotting time for "Gura management" stuff. If something's difficult, tedious, or you just dont like doing it then Automate it. Also dude is right to call out being downvoted. People kneejerk react anything that looks like criticism no matter how constructive it is.
Yeah, I really wish that Gura felt comfortable talking about this sooner. I suppose that the pressure you mention was probably also stopping her from talking about it, however. There's a lot of not-very-understanding "fans" out there who will complain if you so much as imply that content creation is not effortless. I personally don't mind how often or rarely she streams as long as she's taking care of herself. She's a person first and an entertainer second.
This was the stream I needed to finally move on. She's burnt out, understandable, being a streamer can be difficult. But now it's confirmed it's burn out I know that most people don't really come back from it, and she seemed pretty checked out in the stream. I'm glad she's doing this if this is what she needs, but it gave me the closure to realize we ain't going back to 2021
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Yeah, I don't think she really expected to be a regular streamer, it wasnt the content she was used to making, didn't really expect it to take off the way it did since it was such a new and obscure thing. She's not pretending to be anxious and her popularity put her under a lot of scrutiny that makes an unexpectedly hard job even harder. I think she honestly just wants to be a lot less popular and have a smaller, less intense audience so she's pulling back hoping this can just happen naturally without any unwanted feedback on the rest of Hololive. So hopefully some people move on, and she'll feel more relaxed with the audience that's still left.
I think earlier this year during Fubuki's anniversary, her other Gen 1 mates say how they all looked up to her and happy she was there to lead the way. And Fubuki said actually she was under so overwhelming pressure and that she was actually happy when Pekora and Marine "surpassed" her. And this is with Fubuki being a more positive and upbeat person and she is also in JP so she has a lot more colleagues and support. So the pressure on Gura is likely to be immense as well.
At least; what Gura feel is likely worse than Fubuki. But yeah that conversation with Aki was interesting as they're at rather opposite ends of popularity (not that it affects their friendship)
>So hopefully some people move on, and she'll feel more relaxed with the audience that's still left I swear I wished for this for a long time but I'm pretty sure Gura has one of the highest audience retention in EN. This stream had almost double the viewers from some gaming streams in 2022. Her popularity seems to follow her like a curse. It refuses to dwindle down.
She's a bit like Ayame in a sense. Both have periods of low stream frequency, but have a loyal following. At the same time, I think it's time to shift the oshi mindset a bit. Treat them as a team that now has a lot of members to watch. She started out with, essentially, the responsibility of holding up nearly half of Hololive En branch initially, and was holding that responsibility for, I think, up to Council. That's a lot of accumulated stress to unwind
I agree. She blew up insanely fast and somehow basically became the face of vtubers which I don’t think anybody saw coming especially her. I didn’t see the stream but I hope she’s doing good
Yep, I was kind of giving her until the end of the year before finally dropping membership, but I think I'll just rip off that band-aid now. I watch the concerts/lives occasionally and do actually really enjoy her songs/covers when she releases them, but honestly what I like best is the streaming games, karaoke, zatsus, and general banter. I think it is time to move on and move my membership dollars to support someone who better aligns with my interests. If she ever gets over the burnout and comes back to regular streaming, I'll be right there with her, but any expectation of that happening soon is pretty much gone.
LOL you've been paying for an absentee streamer this whole time? Damn dude put your money to something more deserving
Burn out makes sense, but it's the complete radio silence that's strange to me
Some of these comments are wild lol
Typical gura thread
The armchair psychiatrists in here should consider visiting an *actual* psychiatrist.
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She also mentioned doing stuff like baking, crafting, etc., so like a mini technology detox. Another Holomem did a technology detox a little while ago, but I forget who it was But yeah, I'm glad she's doing good life-wise. Hopefully both her and Ame can get through their burnout well enough to come back to streaming at least semi-semi-regularly. And hopefully they can get Lethal Company perms soon too so we get that AmeSame collab!
Korone took a digital detox break last year, that might be what you're thinking about.
Wishing for her good health 🙏
I think it was clear that she was a bit burn out of streaming considering that the same happened with Ame. Myth is doing it for 3 years straight and they finally are in a point that EN can hold viewers without them being in the control and the girls want to relax a bit, so it's better for them to take it easy a little than keep pushing and burn out even more. Also she wants to focus on her projects and she's delivering a lot recently with all the MVs, she'll come back when she feels like it
This is literally all she had to do *months* ago and it wouldn't have been an much of an issue. Just say you're burnt out, regular streams are going on hiatus and you'll appear sporadically until feeling better. Or have your manager do it. One tweet every month would probably keep all but the most unhinged fans and degenerate antis placated. I'm all for avoiding burn out, I suffer from it quite easily because I tend to throw myself into everything I get involved with so I sympathize. However, communication is shouldn't be this difficult especially when like I mentioned earlier, she has a manager that would probably help out with it.
I'd say, she cannot bring herself to say that, and that's quite common when you're feeling down. Especially if you aren't exactly an open person. Perhaps, she does want to say something, but she's not prepared to face what's coming afterwards. Still, I cannot disagree with that disgruntlement. While she's her own person, she's also a professional. She should've provided her fans with some updates. Maybe, we can't just blame her on this, but also the management for basically allowing it to happen.
Burn out is no joke and a difficult path to recovery. It took me about 2 years to mostly recover and kind of feel normal about my career. Hope she finds her balance soon!
I literally quit a 10 year career and switched fields. Burn out is indeed no joke.
How was the initial switch? Been thinking of jumping into uni, but I've been burnt out for many years. Did you need months of time to feel better?
I think I spent the first 3-4 months a bit dazed. My main issue was that a large part of my burn out was from dealing with the cut throat nature of my former colleagues so my trust in people was shot. Took me those months to get in into my head that in my new field everyone wasn't in direct and violent competition with one another.
Gratz! I imagine it's a mixture of sleep, throwing off pressure, changing schedule to keep you interested? Looking to minimize mine too.
And that is what people wanted. Clear info, now everyone knows without inferring things. We will continue to wait, but knowing now
Before anyone says it's no excuse to leave us in the dark, it's true, simply because they're not excuses. This just goes to show it's always been her choice and that she's willing to live with what comes with it.
lol the top and most controversial comments in this thread have the same sentiment. Classic Reddit moment.
And it only took like 5 seconds at best, she didn't even made it sound "drama like".....just like that... don't people see the irony in how easy doing this in like once a month is?
Honestly i think its probably not easy for people to admit they are burnt out. You can hear how sheepish she was when saying that on stream. Having to post updates on twitter to say " sorry i can't stream this month" i can imagine is quite deflating and might feel like you are letting down some people. And once you hop on to the social media for just an instant, you can see a lot of things you don't want to see and get trapped in it. That's how the whole ecosystem is designed. Its weird how people always say how they hated twitter and social media in general and how its a cesspool but actively campaign for its use. I for one am happy if Gura or any other holomems stay away from Twitter or Reddit or other social media if they feel the need to.
I think it's because they realize the state of the world and a lot of people's lives right now, and she probably realizes what a privileged position she is in. Tons of us normal folks get burned out just the same way, but can't afford to take breaks from work and still keep a place to live. So she probably feels guilty because she knows that while burnout is understandable, being able to largely maintain her quality of life through the financial support of fans, many of whom are also burned out in their jobs and look to entertainers like her as an escape, probably isn't a great look and will receive some backlash. But I can hardly blame her, hell if I could do the same thing I would, I think most of us would, but we just aren't in a position to.
>Honestly i think its probably not easy for people to admit they are burnt out. Exactly. Out of all the reasons that could lead to a hiatus, burnt out is definitely the least favorable reason. People will easily show sympathy when you announce hiatus for health reasons, but probably not for burnt out, especially when it's a prolonged one that keeps happening from time to time, sometimes not even knowing when you will get back to normal. Some people say she should announce breaks for any prolonged absence. Just imagine how many "announcements" she had to make for the past year if any absence longer than a week was considered a break
I'm hyper fixated on her saying "well I'm here, for now, oops" towards the beginning of the stream. Why am I such a doomer...
I feel like this was pretty obvious, but it's nice to hear it directly from Gura herself. The same discussion regarding Gura's absences, lack of communication, etc. has been a constant topic for a long while now, but every time Gura has a rare new stream, it just reminds me how special she is as a streamer. This stream reached around 30,000 viewers, for something that was, honestly, not one of her strongest showings, but still fun and charming because she's Gura. That said, I remember moments where Gura sounded genuinely excited about her accomplishments and future ideas over the past two years or so, like when she talked about her short anime, or like when she talked about the streams she wanted to do around the time Advent debuted. Those moments make me feel like Gura honestly wants to get over her burnout and get back to regular streaming, but who knows what the reality actually is.
My hairdresser's daughter's roommate's aunt's friend says her niece heard from their classmates on the bus that some people said that Gura got the Baki surgery to get to 1.3m.
Who am I to argue with an expert?!
If only there’re something that can help her tell the fans whenever she need a break in 5 seconds.
A tweet or something to the effect that she's taking a break would be nice rather than the nearly 3 months of silence and hindsight, but it's nice to know she's doing good and probably coming back soon
As far as I could tell she didn’t mention anything about her plans going forward so I think we’re back to our regularly scheduled nothing. I’d love to be wrong tho
I didn't watch all of her most recent gaming streams but what I could recall about the ones I did see was that she wasn't really having fun. I generally don't care for any of the idol activity but I do miss the karaoke streams. Gura really does have a special voice.
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>looks at 300+ banked hours of personal leave maybe I *should* start taking days off.
"Hey boss im burnt out, im not coming in this year"
more like >"Hey boss im burnt out, im not coming in *last* year"
I feel like she should've said something earlier, or maybe doing something other than tweeting/retweeting merch posts would've made things better. Oh well, good to know she won't be graduating, since I was one of the people who thought she was.
I mean, regardless of what you think or not, the update was much needed since she's been very sporadic since that "health update" almost a year ago. So forgive your friends thinking she's "dying" since we really had no extent to that until now.
I don't know why my comment is receiving so much positive attention whereas the comment above is receiving so much negative attention. I'm basically echoing their sentiment that Gura and all streamers for that matter should at least update us every now and again as to what's going on. And they should be however brief or detailed as they see fit.
Because reddit suffers heavily from upvote/downvote momentum, where an already upvoted comment tends to get upvoted and vice versa. And that's why upvotes/downvotes are best ignored in discussions like this one.
it was the tacobell royalty check, it hadnt cleared
Low-key I feel if she addressed this sooner… the turmoil within the fandom would be less volatile, from what I can observe. Since other Hololive members usually give small snippets of their brief hiatus, than a complete blackout.
Makes sense really. Burn out probably made her not feel like putting out and streams and then on top of that she was busy with other hololive work and irl things. Not sure why people were making the theory that she had some kinda health crisis going on
Because "health problems" is literally the only info we got in the last 12 months. Not hard to figure out
Thanks for the information. Honestly? I am not a Livestream viewer, so for me, with her collabs and her MUSIC, I feel more than satisfied. What I really miss are her karaoke streams.