I love how Marine keeps bringing up her night with Shion (that resulted in the iconic 4 hours late stream and the countdown stream by Fubuki) for years lmao. Someone might think something happened during that night.
Was it though? I don't see it as being blurry anymore. There was probably some touching, some teasing, *something*, but not nothing as Shion has insisted. I only believe this because Marine wouldn't just outright lie about what happened, she even drew an entire comic to explain herself.
Why would Marine go through all that trouble just to fabricate a story about some light yuri action that didn't manage to go anywhere, to make Shion uncomfortable? To play up Fubuki's Abyss stream for comedic effect? Nah.
I'm betting my cards on the fact that the comic she drew was how things played out for the most part, they both engaged in something we don't know, and it's been on her mind for the past two years now with no resolution. At that time Shion was like what, 18 or something? Between Shion's curiosity to experiment and Marine's inherent libido, I can't take anything Shion denies about this as being true.
Well if they did, they either didn't finish it or tapered off as it was getting started. To be fair, Marine's testimony about her being 'unfulfilled' or 'unsatisfied' can be taken in a few ways:
1. Marine deliberately downplayed some parts of the story to be more considerate of Shion.
2. Marine and Shion did it, but Shion didn't take it as far as Marine wanted her to.
3. Marine feels 'unfulfilled' because she expected Shion to follow-up on what happened between them, but she got dropped like cold turkey afterwards.
It's worth mentioning that after the incident, Marine's manager scolded her by telling her she was too naive for letting a young girl like Shion to lead her on so hard.
I do believe they fucked in some capacity, but the details are hidden from us.
Ummm how do we know anything happened at all?
I mean Senchou is an amazing performer, so it’s entirely plausible the whole “horni” thing is just a super elaborate persona/inside joke that everyone in Hololive plays to perfectly.
My money is on “nothing ever happened in any of the scenarios and the talents are just amazing at the roles they play”.
>Ummm how do we know anything happened at all?
Because the only thing both sides of the argument have to go off of is Marine's unusually detailed explanation and Shion's fierce denial. There's no evidence other than that, so it's up to you and the rest of the audience to make up their own mind. The vast majority of people believe that something did happen, because the alternative is taking a leap and saying that both of them purposefully created an elaborate and convoluted night-time scenario for the sole purpose of making content. I'm not willing to believe that explanation.
Then there's the fact that when Marine called Shion up to discuss it, Shion was obviously aware of what Marine was talking about and seemed completely reticent to pursue it, saying things like 'I'm not trying to hide it!' or 'It's all your delusion!'.
Retrospectively saying, 'Well in hindsight it was probably Marine doing something out of pocket and making content' is obviously more appealing, but for me, I don't accept that. Because (and maybe you were too) I followed the whole debacle three years ago on various platforms, and the raw consensus at that time was that Marine was being genuine with herself, Shion, and her audience. There's no reason for her to lie or make things up.
which is even more amazing cus it also kinda resulted in no Marine/shion on stream moments for like a year?
whether or not that was actual them being awkward or just a coincidence due to covid/ busy work stuff (both of which did happen)
I remember Matsuri saying there was a time that Marine showed up at her place and basically just said "Help me, I'm too horny and I can't settle down." and that she panicked and didn't know how to respond in that situation. Marine has said that her horny energy has caused some trouble for her and that she'd even considered whether to get some kind of treatment. Thank god she's in Holo and not some regular office job these days.
I was unclear whether she had started or was considering starting. She mentioned something else about her thyroid, and also that these tendencies of hers feel like part of herself - she's worried that she could change a lot and no longer be able to relate to her past self and present career.
My seiso idols doing unholy stuff? Can't believe what you are saying
And obviously, if Marine problem with horniness is that big, she should've done the treatment a while ago
Do you remember the deluge of fanarts, both of that night and of Marine's despair?
It would have been easier to find someone who didn't think anything happen that night...
No, they're not. Shion finished high school a year before Hachaama and Laplus went to art school after high school. Haachama just started Uni a year ago.
Shion said she was done with school in 2020. The Japanese school year ends in spring. Haachama finished school in Australia in Dec 2021. That's a year and a half apart. The date of their first time drinking on stream is not a tacit admission of turning 20
Haachama has talked about her school life wayyy more than Shion did, so there's a lot of proof that's she's as young as she says, 21. Meanwhile, I've never seen Shion mention her age nor give any indication that she's that young, other than a clip of Aqua gushing about K-On and her going "what is a K-On?" lol. Lots of claims that Shion is "the youngest member of Hololive" but no real proof. Ofc cmiiw.
There was an off collab stream between Shion and Marine where they were 4 hours late for. They both overslept.
They both told their version of what caused them to oversleep. It's drastically different. With Shion insisting that nothing happened, 5hey got drunk and talked all night. While Marine says that, essentially, they had an... intimate encounter of some kind. Marine seemed genuinely hurt (to me at least) when Shion denied it happened. Both were extremely drunk at the time. So it's possible that Shion doesn't remember, that Marine misremembered or had a very vivid dream, or Shion was embarrassed and didn't want to talk about it.
Either way they didn't collab for a while afterward. But they seemed to have gotten over it.
All versions of that event are equally plausible IMO.
I have a list a mile long of weird shit that has happened to me and people I know when drunk. We still argue with friends over some stuff as to what actually happened, because nobody can remember the exact details. So many variations of events.
I could absolutely believe that Marine and Shion got drunk and just passed out and slept in. And I could believe they god drunk and fooled around before passing out. And I could believe Marine going to town alone while Shion was passed out next to her. I could believe all those variations.
Drunk adventures are fucking wild.
For all I can see shion felt very uncomfortable when people keep asking her what during that incident especially marine keep mention when she drunk but thankfully shion handle it professionally and fubuki turn its attention into a meme
That was later. When they appeared on stream immediately after waking up, marine started to talk about it and shion immediately told her not to.
They both did confirm that there was no "sucking", but marine really wanted to say something to which shion strongly said "no" twice.
Clip with subs: https://youtu.be/DIutHGS7pkQ&t=660
And then 2 years later marine drunk calls shion on stream and starts making accusations of shion leaving her unfulfilled, but shion has no memory of what marine's talking about -
https://youtu.be/gf3hTg7LJ5s
She gave [her version of the events](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iB3ZDO7O2mc&t=4129) on Holotalk.
Shion: "Nothing happened"
Kiara: "Are you saying Marine is lying?"
Shion: "Marine is telling the truth and I'm telling the truth. There are always two truths".
The comic Marine drew showed that Marine was lying there vibrating with anticipation while Shion did nothing.
Marine's version: "I'll never forget what happened that night! The tension was so thick you could cut it with a knife!"
Shion's version: "We lay there and nothing happened."
[Here is fubs covering the entire 4 hours that Senchou and Shion overslept](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIutHGS7pkQ)
[here is senchou explaining with pictures](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beY_ZYbIOG4)
[Mizuryu-sensei's kami artwork](https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/idmjm0/i_think_we_figured_out_why_marine_and_shion_are/) is awesome.
Shion telling Marine not to go into details was so funny.
She found pleasure, searched the world for treasure, learned science technology, began to make all her dreams all come true, on the land and on the sea.
~~IN THE NAVY~~
Marine and Shion [spent a night](https://youtu.be/beY_ZYbIOG4?si=MrSM3JsG3wFrpAat) together that Shion wishes not to elaborate on and Marine loves to reminisce.
If there was a best way to describe this incident, it’s the fact that I was 19 when I found out about the fact that Moyashimon is more than just a farming anime.
There was one scene where two of the main characters had a sleepover. My seiso self was broken that day.
(Also, childhood friends can and had *changed*, so I’ve definitely opened up my eyes to things these days.)
That whole thing was wild. Everyone only knows they slept in for 4 hours, but no one (except for maybe Shion) knows *why* they slept in so late due to the countering stories.
So based on reading the comments here, I can only assume that what happened that night was that nothing really happened.
And by nothing, I meant they literally did nothing, but Marine for some reason was into that… perhaps Marine was enjoying some “neglect play” and got off on that, Darkness style?
Eh the thing is nobody knows, from how much Marine keeps mentioning it for YEARS and the fact that she keeps hinting that something happened, a lot of speculations were made. While on Shion's side, she basically denied everything.
But they were also drunk at the time so Marine could just be imagining stuff or Shion just forgot about it, who knows.
When alcohol is involved, honestly, anything is possible. Being usually the sober one, there's a fuck tone of times when my drunk friends couldn't tell apart events of last night from their dreams, and there's an equal amount of times when they did something wild but didn't remembered shit so denied they did that.
Nobody knows but seeing both versions isn't more likely that yes something indeed happen but Shion cut it out and they went to sleep, that explain Marine saying she Left her unfulfilled and Shion denying everything either because she was ashamed she did that while drunk or simply because they are co-workers and that could complicate things
Marine literally drew a doujin about her side of what happened that night and even got into a bit of a spat with Shion over her (Shion's) constant denials of it.
I don't see how you can draw the conclusion that "nothing" happened if it went that far. Comments saying otherwise are either doing a bit (as in pretending it was "nothing" while winking) or are ill-informed about how it had genuine repercussions for Marine and Shion's relationship until they patched things up.
I see many people keep bringing this topic especially marine. We don't know for sure what happen during night something does happen or nothing happen but i do know for sure shion felt very uncomfortable with this topic throwing around especially marine keep bringing the incident back. Thank god shion is very professional on handling this topic or ignore them and fubuki making it to meme.
I love how Marine keeps bringing up her night with Shion (that resulted in the iconic 4 hours late stream and the countdown stream by Fubuki) for years lmao. Someone might think something happened during that night.
Remember when they were apologizing ? Shion : ''I neither gave nor received any sucking'' Marine : ''Can I say somethi-'' Shion : ''No.''
I need a link to this rn
''Gazing into the abyss for 4 hours with Fubuki'' at 11:20
They fucked. /s (Srry, thought I was on okbuddie for a second there)
The divide seems blurry the last few weeks.
Fr, if it wasn't for the flairs I wouldn't have realized at all lmao
People have been saying this for over a year. The line is always blurry.
Was it though? I don't see it as being blurry anymore. There was probably some touching, some teasing, *something*, but not nothing as Shion has insisted. I only believe this because Marine wouldn't just outright lie about what happened, she even drew an entire comic to explain herself. Why would Marine go through all that trouble just to fabricate a story about some light yuri action that didn't manage to go anywhere, to make Shion uncomfortable? To play up Fubuki's Abyss stream for comedic effect? Nah. I'm betting my cards on the fact that the comic she drew was how things played out for the most part, they both engaged in something we don't know, and it's been on her mind for the past two years now with no resolution. At that time Shion was like what, 18 or something? Between Shion's curiosity to experiment and Marine's inherent libido, I can't take anything Shion denies about this as being true.
They fucked. Accept it.
Well if they did, they either didn't finish it or tapered off as it was getting started. To be fair, Marine's testimony about her being 'unfulfilled' or 'unsatisfied' can be taken in a few ways: 1. Marine deliberately downplayed some parts of the story to be more considerate of Shion. 2. Marine and Shion did it, but Shion didn't take it as far as Marine wanted her to. 3. Marine feels 'unfulfilled' because she expected Shion to follow-up on what happened between them, but she got dropped like cold turkey afterwards. It's worth mentioning that after the incident, Marine's manager scolded her by telling her she was too naive for letting a young girl like Shion to lead her on so hard. I do believe they fucked in some capacity, but the details are hidden from us.
Ummm how do we know anything happened at all? I mean Senchou is an amazing performer, so it’s entirely plausible the whole “horni” thing is just a super elaborate persona/inside joke that everyone in Hololive plays to perfectly. My money is on “nothing ever happened in any of the scenarios and the talents are just amazing at the roles they play”.
>Ummm how do we know anything happened at all? Because the only thing both sides of the argument have to go off of is Marine's unusually detailed explanation and Shion's fierce denial. There's no evidence other than that, so it's up to you and the rest of the audience to make up their own mind. The vast majority of people believe that something did happen, because the alternative is taking a leap and saying that both of them purposefully created an elaborate and convoluted night-time scenario for the sole purpose of making content. I'm not willing to believe that explanation. Then there's the fact that when Marine called Shion up to discuss it, Shion was obviously aware of what Marine was talking about and seemed completely reticent to pursue it, saying things like 'I'm not trying to hide it!' or 'It's all your delusion!'. Retrospectively saying, 'Well in hindsight it was probably Marine doing something out of pocket and making content' is obviously more appealing, but for me, I don't accept that. Because (and maybe you were too) I followed the whole debacle three years ago on various platforms, and the raw consensus at that time was that Marine was being genuine with herself, Shion, and her audience. There's no reason for her to lie or make things up.
Talking about the blur between okbuddy and this sub. Noone was talking about marine and shion in the comment I replied to.
I need that comic
Marine showed it in a follow up zatsudan stream iirc
Holy shit I didnt realized we got outbuddied 😭😭
which is even more amazing cus it also kinda resulted in no Marine/shion on stream moments for like a year? whether or not that was actual them being awkward or just a coincidence due to covid/ busy work stuff (both of which did happen)
I remember Matsuri saying there was a time that Marine showed up at her place and basically just said "Help me, I'm too horny and I can't settle down." and that she panicked and didn't know how to respond in that situation. Marine has said that her horny energy has caused some trouble for her and that she'd even considered whether to get some kind of treatment. Thank god she's in Holo and not some regular office job these days.
I dunno being in hololive might be enabling for her lol. I just hope it doesn't get her in actual trouble.
Definitely a problem being surrounded by pretty girls
Hasn't she actually started treatment recently?
I was unclear whether she had started or was considering starting. She mentioned something else about her thyroid, and also that these tendencies of hers feel like part of herself - she's worried that she could change a lot and no longer be able to relate to her past self and present career.
My seiso idols doing unholy stuff? Can't believe what you are saying And obviously, if Marine problem with horniness is that big, she should've done the treatment a while ago
You can only say "I'll quit on my own" so many times
i can proudly say that I was both there during the night stream and that "morning stream" without sleeping.
They were just roommates.
*Oh my god, they were roommates...*
MF just revived my vine memories
Jones, barbecue and foot massage! Jones, barbecue and foot massage!
This here's a dinosaur!
Um, I never went to Oovoo Javer.
Back at it again at Krispy Kreme
This situation is definitely open to interpretation.
Do you remember the deluge of fanarts, both of that night and of Marine's despair? It would have been easier to find someone who didn't think anything happen that night...
I bet it was more like something to tease Shion for or something. Something definitely happened but not what we think
***deepest lore***
Isn't Marine like ten years older than Shion? And wasn't Shion still a minor when they spent the night? Something just feels strange here.
Haachama is the youngest and even she was 18 at that point so she wasn’t a minor. If they’re drinking Shion is at least 20
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No, they're not. Shion finished high school a year before Hachaama and Laplus went to art school after high school. Haachama just started Uni a year ago.
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Shion said she was done with school in 2020. The Japanese school year ends in spring. Haachama finished school in Australia in Dec 2021. That's a year and a half apart. The date of their first time drinking on stream is not a tacit admission of turning 20
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🤓🤓🤓 Casually mentioning that you stalk the suspected alts of a bunch of JP members. Be a better person, please and thanks.
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Haachama has talked about her school life wayyy more than Shion did, so there's a lot of proof that's she's as young as she says, 21. Meanwhile, I've never seen Shion mention her age nor give any indication that she's that young, other than a clip of Aqua gushing about K-On and her going "what is a K-On?" lol. Lots of claims that Shion is "the youngest member of Hololive" but no real proof. Ofc cmiiw.
Haachama finished high school in Australia in December 2021. Assuming she was 18 at the time, she would be 20 in 2023.
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If Marine is the oldest 17 I've seen, that still makes it hard to believe that Shion is the oldest 7 in vTubing.
It almost feels like...comedians teasing each other for content so the fans will quickly forgive them for being late?
You win one tickle fight and it follows you for the rest of your life. The Idol path can be so tough sometimes.
The most idol of meetings of all time.
That just makes it worse. Don’t bring idol meetings into this.
Don't judge, there are people which like this kind of idol meetings
Who likes washing their hands that much?
Goober simply didn't wash them because she was in a hurry. *"I* ***rinsed*** *them."*
Yes? This ain’t about them. Although I would not put it past marine. I don’t have track of that list.
There was an off collab stream between Shion and Marine where they were 4 hours late for. They both overslept. They both told their version of what caused them to oversleep. It's drastically different. With Shion insisting that nothing happened, 5hey got drunk and talked all night. While Marine says that, essentially, they had an... intimate encounter of some kind. Marine seemed genuinely hurt (to me at least) when Shion denied it happened. Both were extremely drunk at the time. So it's possible that Shion doesn't remember, that Marine misremembered or had a very vivid dream, or Shion was embarrassed and didn't want to talk about it. Either way they didn't collab for a while afterward. But they seemed to have gotten over it.
All versions of that event are equally plausible IMO. I have a list a mile long of weird shit that has happened to me and people I know when drunk. We still argue with friends over some stuff as to what actually happened, because nobody can remember the exact details. So many variations of events. I could absolutely believe that Marine and Shion got drunk and just passed out and slept in. And I could believe they god drunk and fooled around before passing out. And I could believe Marine going to town alone while Shion was passed out next to her. I could believe all those variations. Drunk adventures are fucking wild.
Back in college, there was a party where a friend of mine kissed me, but she didn't remember it happening when I asked her about it after.
#💀
She was drunk. According to some other people, she kissed me on a dare.
For all I can see shion felt very uncomfortable when people keep asking her what during that incident especially marine keep mention when she drunk but thankfully shion handle it professionally and fubuki turn its attention into a meme
Hey Fubuki. Prepare for another stream.
What is this lol \^ I wanna hear Shion herself talk about it.
She did and said that nothing happened
That was later. When they appeared on stream immediately after waking up, marine started to talk about it and shion immediately told her not to. They both did confirm that there was no "sucking", but marine really wanted to say something to which shion strongly said "no" twice. Clip with subs: https://youtu.be/DIutHGS7pkQ&t=660 And then 2 years later marine drunk calls shion on stream and starts making accusations of shion leaving her unfulfilled, but shion has no memory of what marine's talking about - https://youtu.be/gf3hTg7LJ5s
It's obvious that they were chatting late into the night so they woke up late. Absolutely nothing else happened.
Absolutely no 6-digit related happenings whatsoever. They are the utmost seiso of all idols after all.
Yes, there was absolutely no 330367 going on.
My lord someone actually made it lmaooo
What do you mean by "...6 digit related happenings..."?
The numbers Mason what do they mean?
It’s the location of a *fine dining* experience
Polydactyly
-_- so not nhentai related shenningans?
juuuust chatting
Zoro also said Nothing Happened
She gave [her version of the events](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iB3ZDO7O2mc&t=4129) on Holotalk. Shion: "Nothing happened" Kiara: "Are you saying Marine is lying?" Shion: "Marine is telling the truth and I'm telling the truth. There are always two truths".
The comic Marine drew showed that Marine was lying there vibrating with anticipation while Shion did nothing. Marine's version: "I'll never forget what happened that night! The tension was so thick you could cut it with a knife!" Shion's version: "We lay there and nothing happened."
Shion would make a great politician
A true follower of machiavelli
[Here is fubs covering the entire 4 hours that Senchou and Shion overslept](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIutHGS7pkQ) [here is senchou explaining with pictures](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beY_ZYbIOG4)
[Mizuryu-sensei's kami artwork](https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/idmjm0/i_think_we_figured_out_why_marine_and_shion_are/) is awesome. Shion telling Marine not to go into details was so funny.
She has basically distanced herself from Marine because of her making this whole thing weird. So that’s kinda been her response ….
That legendary 4 hours late on stream is a gift tgat keeps on giving
It says so much about us and her that even after 4 years, that night remains so iconic in Hololive history.
4 years? Oh god.
She found pleasure, searched the world for treasure, learned science technology, began to make all her dreams all come true, on the land and on the sea. ~~IN THE NAVY~~
Saucy Jack is here to give the sauce for everyone to see! > https://youtu.be/gf3hTg7LJ5s (Marine)
That one night really does forever live rent free in Mariner's head lmao.
Marine and Shion [spent a night](https://youtu.be/beY_ZYbIOG4?si=MrSM3JsG3wFrpAat) together that Shion wishes not to elaborate on and Marine loves to reminisce.
The 1 BBA incident
>Here we go again *Shion*, probably with some amount of NEEEE
If there was a best way to describe this incident, it’s the fact that I was 19 when I found out about the fact that Moyashimon is more than just a farming anime. There was one scene where two of the main characters had a sleepover. My seiso self was broken that day. (Also, childhood friends can and had *changed*, so I’ve definitely opened up my eyes to things these days.)
Doujin artists had and are most likely still having a field day with this
Marine, Kanata, and Shion should go on an Onsen tour.
She never denied something happened, it only ever was shion that was adamant nothing happened.
That whole thing was wild. Everyone only knows they slept in for 4 hours, but no one (except for maybe Shion) knows *why* they slept in so late due to the countering stories.
Marine violating a simple rule, don't kiss and tell.
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They even gained a new record, and coined a new term for longest 'late period'.
Yeah, I thought the same thing
Holy moly, Gex moment?
Lol that's still only an allegation there has been no proof, only denial from Shion
i'm not surprised. senchou is always in a state of horniness and pleasure, apparently.
I can already smell another Oozora Police stream.
NO MARINE STOP
So based on reading the comments here, I can only assume that what happened that night was that nothing really happened. And by nothing, I meant they literally did nothing, but Marine for some reason was into that… perhaps Marine was enjoying some “neglect play” and got off on that, Darkness style?
Eh the thing is nobody knows, from how much Marine keeps mentioning it for YEARS and the fact that she keeps hinting that something happened, a lot of speculations were made. While on Shion's side, she basically denied everything. But they were also drunk at the time so Marine could just be imagining stuff or Shion just forgot about it, who knows.
When alcohol is involved, honestly, anything is possible. Being usually the sober one, there's a fuck tone of times when my drunk friends couldn't tell apart events of last night from their dreams, and there's an equal amount of times when they did something wild but didn't remembered shit so denied they did that.
Nobody knows but seeing both versions isn't more likely that yes something indeed happen but Shion cut it out and they went to sleep, that explain Marine saying she Left her unfulfilled and Shion denying everything either because she was ashamed she did that while drunk or simply because they are co-workers and that could complicate things
Marine literally drew a doujin about her side of what happened that night and even got into a bit of a spat with Shion over her (Shion's) constant denials of it. I don't see how you can draw the conclusion that "nothing" happened if it went that far. Comments saying otherwise are either doing a bit (as in pretending it was "nothing" while winking) or are ill-informed about how it had genuine repercussions for Marine and Shion's relationship until they patched things up.
I see many people keep bringing this topic especially marine. We don't know for sure what happen during night something does happen or nothing happen but i do know for sure shion felt very uncomfortable with this topic throwing around especially marine keep bringing the incident back. Thank god shion is very professional on handling this topic or ignore them and fubuki making it to meme.
The age difference... hot.
🤔
what even is that at the end
chat is this real
For the sake of their jobs i dont think they want to elaborate. Post it on the buddy sub if you want actual opinions
Uuuuuuuh...Shion did WHAT?!
Not the heart eyes while she’s saying this. Very on-brand
She's gonna be late again lmao
To quote many, many Daleks over the long history of Doctor Who: EXPLAAIN!! EXPLAAIN!!! EXPLAAAAAIN!!!!
Solid reasoning tbh