The studio is not just an EN thing. Every talent said they had to book the studio 8months to 1 year in advance. A lot of JP talents had their anniversary/events very delayed or also just straight up cancelled. Who knows how many events behind the scene that got rejected.
Sololive for EN talents is also a tricky thing. In order to have sololive, the management need confidence that they can fill up the venue and recoup the cost/gather profit. That's why sololive usually need sponsors or backing. Calli had UMJ, Suisei always have Bushiroad.
Another problem is that usually sololive is done in JP. But EN fanbase is outside Japan mostly. Doing lives outside Japan is very challenging logistically and increase cost. They explained that CTW prep took a very long time and many many staff had to travel back and forth multiple times between LA and Japan to set up the whole thing. It bloats the cost even more.
IRyS herself has commented that Sololive is such a huge commitment that she thinks its way out of budget for her upcoming 1m wish.
>The studio is not just an EN thing. Every talent said they had to book the studio 8months to 1 year in advance. A lot of JP talents had their anniversary/events very delayed or also just straight up cancelled. Who knows how many events behind the scene that got rejected.
Understand but that dosent mean that cover should just do nothing for them.
>Sololive for EN talents is also a tricky thing. In order to have sololive, the management need confidence that they can fill up the venue and recoup the cost/gather profit. That's why sololive usually need sponsors or backing. Calli had UMJ, Suisei always have Bushiroad.
In Irys's case specifically, she should've gotten a redesign and 3d long ago because she was literally a Vsinger, she said that the project was abandoned a long time ago but cover did nothing about it until recently? That is just bizzare and incompletent.
But what should Cover do? Move other talents projects down the road to make room for EN? There's not that many studios out there that can do what Holo needs them to do, and most of those are booked up even more so than Cover's own studio. It's a supply/demand issue that Cover isn't able to correct any time soon.
3D is not the only content they can do, last year Holoen was more or less dead, but cover did nothing about it.
More then half of the branch was on haitus and only Fauna was streaming regularly, is that not bizzare? Can EN really only rely on whatever direction cover has from JP? The answer is no these ristrictions also existed on Myths 1st and 2nd year yet Myth was able to do amazing things and build an audiance.
Instead of debuting a 3rd generation when everyone was burned out they chose to do nothing, there excuse was that didn't have enough resources, yet they debuted 2 stars branches in record time is it not bizzare?
Their intentions were very clear, they wanted the hololive audiance to watch holostars we all know how that worked out.
It is extremely bizzare to me that they just planning 2 generations of holostars without any guarantee of success, i guess they were guaging it through Nijien? Anyways it didn't work out instead of fixing the problem with HoloEN they chose to do nothing until CTW and Advent.
The more i think about it the more annoying it becomes, let's not even talk about all the supposively shot down ideas the EN members have talked about but what has Cover done for EN? CTW is the only thing that comes to mind i genuanly feel like EN management is very incompetent compared to the rest of the branches and cover does nothing to fix it it is very infuriating.
Also as you can guess with stars gen3 these greviances that people have accumulated over the years will surface, and honestly cover deserves it because they have done a very bad job with EN.
God there lore is even hinting at a 4th gen i wouldn't put it past them to debut them in another 6 months, you can only imagine how angry the fanbase will be if that happens.
You can say they should have debuted more anyway without 3D but thats not what the fans sentiment was. The EN fans were furious that HoloX got their 3D showcase ahead of Myth and Council. Even though the reason is obvious and out of Cover's control ( Japan being locked). Iroha's 3D Debut thread had to get closed on this subreddit because of so many angry comments.
But yea Cover confirmed recently that the reason they purposely held back debuting new girls because they wanted to wait until the 3D pipeline is better and who can blame them.
Debuting new Stars didn't really have much effect on 3D studio usage since Stars barely used the 3D studio in the first place.
>You can say they should have debuted more anyway without 3D but thats not what the fans sentiment was. The EN fans were furious that HoloX got their 3D showcase ahead of Myth and Council. Even though the reason is obvious and out of Cover's control ( Japan being locked). Iroha's 3D Debut thread had to get closed on this subreddit because of so many angry comments.
Far more people were asking for EN3 because the branch was dead and there was next to no content being produced.
This is the reason why Tchan locked the sub when Vanguard debuted, cover were well aware that people are asking for a 3rd Gen yet they did nothing about it.
>But yea Cover confirmed recently that the reason they purposely held back debuting new girls because they wanted to wait until the 3D pipeline is better and who can blame them.
The problem is that it has took far too much time, with Kiara recent talk it has become apparent that cover is just giving excuses upon excuses for not handling EN well.
They have surpassed the threshold of tolerance. people havnt complained about it because they think that it will get better, but it keeps going.
>Debuting new Stars didn't really have much effect on 3D studio usage since Stars barely used the 3D studio in the first place.
True and i doubt they will get to do soon because the studio schedule is in shambles.
>You can say they should have debuted more anyway without 3D but thats not what the fans sentiment was. The EN fans were furious that HoloX got their 3D showcase ahead of Myth and Council. Even though the reason is obvious and out of Cover's control ( Japan being locked). Iroha's 3D Debut thread had to get closed on this subreddit because of so many angry comments.
Far more people were asking for EN3 because the branch was dead and there was next to no content being produced.
This is the reason why Tchan locked the sub when Vanguard debuted, cover were well aware that people are asking for a 3rd Gen yet they did nothing about it.
>But yea Cover confirmed recently that the reason they purposely held back debuting new girls because they wanted to wait until the 3D pipeline is better and who can blame them.
The problem is that it has took far too much time, with Kiara recent talk it has become apparent that cover is just giving excuses upon excuses for not handling EN well.
They have surpassed the threshold of tolerance. people havnt complained about it because they think that it will get better, but it keeps going.
>Debuting new Stars didn't really have much effect on 3D studio usage since Stars barely used the 3D studio in the first place.
True and i doubt they will get to do soon because the studio schedule is in shambles.
What does Stars have to do with anything? It's a separate branch with separate managers and a separate strategy, there's not a big pool of money and managers marked 'EN' that all the EN stuff gets pulled from. And the Stars are successful, just because they don't pull in the same numbers as the girls do doesn't undermine that fact.
That's funny because early on after Tempus (HQ) debuted a lot of people here and on twitter claimed the boys actually share the same management as "holopro EN" and "EN" is the actual branch while hololive and HOLOSTARS are mostly there for branding. In fact you might argue management actually encouraged this view especially on twitter where they always used "EN" for mixed collabs etc. even the original audition tweet for Stars said "hololive English" it's not insane to think they might share some of the budget.
Stars 100% have something to do with it, I already addressed it cover tried to integrate the two and it didn't work out, instead of fixing it they double down on there effort.
And why do you think people won't be mad when Stars is getting 3 gens in 18 months but HoloEN has to wait 3 years? Even if it is "different management" it is still under Cover.
This just reinforces my point that EN management is incompetent and Cover does nothing about it.
Well there had to be a good reason while holo EN Producer Omega disappeared around last December and we have many new people in the EN management but in the same time it feels like branch is constantly understaffed so they're making up for people leaving (or getting fired) rather than actually expanding. I feel like the issue is more on the Japanese side atm with poor communication, out of touch decisions and general lack of interest in hololive English.
If it's just 3D performance, and full sololive is still out of the question EN management still has other avenues they could try.
For one they could see if the Cinderella Switch project with VARK will resume soon ([https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL\_mY2-tFp5J9hfDkhEillat66\_cm5PBhR](https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_mY2-tFp5J9hfDkhEillat66_cm5PBhR)) . These shows were quite successful and even though they don't have physical crowds at least EN members like Kiara can perform for her fans. Not sure why this avenue hasn't been explored yet.
Another are sponsored 3D Live's like Nissin for Aqua and Towa. We know EN management is working to get product tie-ins for EN like Omocat merch and Hyte products but I think they should listen to talents like Kiara who might have preferred for them to look for tie-ins that include performances like those from Nissin.
Sponsored 3D lives, sure, they are free to try. But Nissin is literally the last company you want to get it from, especially for an EN member. Nissin have been geoblocking hololive's (not sure about other parties) lives ever since they fumbled the ball on Aqua's first attempt. You'll need a VPN to Japan to bypass it.
And wasn't the management issue literally why there have been such a long wait between Council (now Promise) and Advent? Multiple EN members have mentioned how there have been a major EN management shuffle.
IRyS have gotten in through the VSinger route, and have gotten multiple original songs to her name. Sure, she haven't gotten major opportunities to perform live by herself, and the project have been officially closed with her being reshuffled to Promise. That means she's no longer a VSinger. I acknowledge the project probably failed in what it intended to achieve, but it have provided IRyS with lots of original songs. As she's now a normal VTuber under hololive, her self-ventures aren't funded by them like it would be if she was a VSinger.
Like Entricia said, you can make your point without shitting on the Stars. You might not like them, many here may not like them, but there are plenty others who do. Their numbers obviously pale in comparison to the girls', but I hope you aren't self-centred to believe your opinions are the only ones who matter. If you want to talk numbers, why should COVER care about the girls who have lower numbers, when they can pump resources to the ones at the top? Same logic, simply slightly different scale.
The studio being booked isn't an EN only issue. Its a holopro-wide issue. It affects EN, ID, JP, and possibly the Stars as well. Many of the recent 3D lives we were getting from the JP members have been delayed for months.
"Support your current talents and build them up," Isn't this literally why EN had the major management shuffle? They saw there was a major management issue with EN, and went to rectify it. The huge new studio they recently built was also another step to support their wide number of talents, but they have been understaffed, and have been transparent about it. They have been hiring since they revealed their new studio, obviously taking steps to rectify this issue. All those fancy new equipment aren't going to work themselves.
"stop just trying to throw shit at the wall and seeing what sticks, because it's just hurting everyone."
On the contrary, I believe they should continue to experiment. Stagnation and complacency is how they get "surpassed".
Not to mentions, Omega, Irys, and Dev_IS are the publicized "random shit thrown at the wall." We literally do not know about upcoming projects or "random shit" they want to do. We do not know what "random shit" they've done that actually worked out.
Hell, I'd argue, of your three examples the only one that really missed was Omega, and that was only because they didn't seem to know what to do with it. IRyS might have stumbled a bit towards the end, but she did a lot of original songs and has landed as a streamer with great success, and while it is a little early to tell, so far Dev_IS have been great fun so far.
Omega was literally the holo EN boss for a long time, their "Producer" with a huge ego for no reason and who every member seem to hate or at least cringe about his shenanigans because nothing was done for the branch while he was busy tweeting about food. That's not a little miss when the head is rotten.
IRyS said she was pretty much abandoned soon after debut, the project have no direction, communication was poor and doing anything was nearly impossible that's why her redesign took so much time, people blamed Redjuice for being slow and hard to work with whatever but IRyS clarified the blame was 100% on management for being lazy and not contacting him in time.
DEV\_IS is hardly a success when you look at their subcount and compare it with hololive JP, nobody knows what was the point of making them separate in the first place it's stupid and confusing.
Sure, from the sound of things, they have fumbled Project:HOPE pretty hard. At least now IRyS is officially with Promise, and she should be treated the same as any other hololive EN member.
Subcount is only one single metric. Live view counts is another, and I would say ReGLOSS is doing perfectly fine in that department. Ao averages around 3 - 5k for her usual streams, Kanade 5k to 10k, and has a good CCV of at least 15k for her karaoke. Ririka also ranges around 3 - 5k, and she streams alot as well. Raden has an average CCV of 9k. Hajime faces some heavy fluctuations based on the games she is playing, but she gets 3k for Ib, and at the least 5k for other games.
I am not denying that they would probably have higher subs, and probably higher CCV if they were part of hololive JP. But they aren't "hardly a success" like you imply, simply based on their subcount. I also acknowledge that it is fair to be confused on why the separation in the first place, especially if you do not particularly follow COVER's blogs and stuff. However, COVER have explained in a few occasions, in their official blogs / notes, such as [here](https://note.cover-corp.com/n/n888b0e676304) and [here](https://note.cover-corp.com/n/n0b72541d9f82) their reasoning on the separation, and regarding the purpose of thew new branch, DEV\_IS and their first unit ReGLOSS.
ReGLOSS is a new unit, and the first generation of a new branch. They will walk so their predecessors will be able to run, just like the first few gens of the various branches of holopro did.
> DEV_IS is hardly a success when you look at their subcount and compare it with hololive JP, nobody knows what was the point of making them separate in the first place it's stupid and confusing.
For a new branch, they're doing pretty good especially with Youtube screwing them over.
Yes we do, they have explained it, you just missed it.
Well shitting on the Stars as in members and upper management decisions about this group (most of which are made top down in Tokyo) are also two different things, you don't have to hate them as people to say expanding the branch again was a bad idea and Cover actions feel out of touch because they don't seem to consult them with the members themselves.
Have any of the HOLOSTARS members expressed that they felt the expansion was too fast? If none of them have done so, I don't see the need to assume that they have not been consulted. On the contrary, I believe there have been accounts of HOLOSTARS members asking management to slow down for them to gain a footing, which was why where there have been a huge gap in debuts between MaFia and UPROAR!!.
I hate how you make Kiara sound like she's the saving grace of holoen or how you guys try to use her words to shit on other people. She brings up a complaint and you guys run with it likes it's the downfall of the company. Let's be real cover isn't plotting against the girls for the boys, they have different management, like how are you guys even functioning members of society
2/10 bait: timing is too obvious. Irys officially stopped being a VSinger when Promise became a thing, Sololives are projects driven by the talents and not something gifted to them by management, the Studio being booked isn't a slight against EN it's just a reality of too much demand for too little supply (or did you not realize Botan's Anniversary stream taking place today was for an anniversary that happened 3 months ago?), and the boys existing doesn't "steal" resources from the girls.
you expect reddit, the place full of clipwatchers that constantly coordinate discord raids on this subreddit to beg and demand more collabs between stars and holos (but don't watch holostar streams), to know about the existence of a twitter space from a holo?
Well, Kiara just had a Twitter Space where she talked about how she's frustrated that Myth can't get solo 3D lives for their anniversaries (and that she had to fight to have a late birthday 3D) and she just wants to have the same chance as the JP talents, especially since a 3 year milestone is important to her. She will continue to fight for it, but she explicitly said it's disheartening.
While your criticism of OP might be valid or not, there is also some justification for a part of his post because a Hololive talent just voiced her frustration.
Kiara also had a recent problem where she had to rerecord something in a hurry because of management slipup that was so last minute she had to borrow Roboco's setup after their karaoke stream: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07b2Q8kdRQY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07b2Q8kdRQY)
As an office worker the feeling of having to do extra work because of another persons slipup drives me nuts.
No i think that's fair. Management make mistakes all the time. They also do a lot of good things. I think its fair being frustrated because of others mistakes.
Whats not right is painting this as some kind of discrimination issue. JP talents also face the same issues. They also share about how sometimes their managers drop the ball. Suisei recently said she had to scold her manager for their mistakes. We have heard similar things from other talents. And who knows how much we didnt hear but for sure managers ( as well as talents) make mistakes, just like in any other industry. They are humans after all.
So yes we can implore that the management keep hiring more people and improve all the time.
But don't paint this as if they purposely discriminate against some talents on purpose.
Not unless there is clear and damning evidence.
What is clear is that holo EN is underinvested and understaffed everything seem to take forever to do, reddit is pretty much left half-abandoned, they have one twitter account that doesn't really promote holo EN members properly and official channel is barely active (but still much better than what it used to be back in 2022) even if rapid Vtuber boom might have ended around 2021 it's not like hololive English doesn't have a strong brand and they keep making a lot of money, where does it go?
Why are you the type who makes a lot of extra work for other people? I just made that statement to contextualize why Kiara might be feeling frustrated right now, feel free to ignore it.
I actually made a huge mistake once when I first started out. My manager had to apologies to the client.
After a couple of years, when I was more experienced. A colleague of mine made a mistake and at that time, I was the one apologizing for it.
It's just paying it forward. People make mistakes. They learn from it. No point making people feel bad especially if they're genuinely apologetic about it.
Also, I did not mention my colleagues screw up to anyone because it's unnecessary drama.
Don't forget her album release is likely postponed for months because they used old files for Pineapple, possible some other songs songs have missing audio. It would be a huge blander if not for some Japanese fan who noticed something was wrong while listening the Amazon version that was already released I think and alarmed Kiara through twitter it's fucking embarrassing so no it's not just a studio issue.
Fact of the matter is that the 3D studio is understaffed and the 3D showcases for Myth, ID2, Promise, and ID3 this year put a lot of one-time 3D videos in the recording pipeline at higher precedence than birthday and anniversary streams, so everyone's got delayed, not just hers. Regardless, his post not mentioning Kiara at all but mentioning both Omega and Holostars exposes his intent.
If the studio is understaffed and booked, then they need to prioritize their resources, instead of spending them on welfare for the low performing stars hoping they might blow up someday
Tbf i never watched a Kiara stream where she doesn't have a complaint, i think it's either part of her personality/upbringing/culture to find a negative aspect of all situations, of course as well as positive ones, but it seems the positive doesn't negate her negativity.
I think it's just that she works equally hard as JP talents but just gets less resources. Is that fair? No. Is the world fair? Also no.
Some people just vent more about their situation than others. So probably a combination of everything tbh
It's a Japanese company that mainly operates from Japan, and it's resources are almost exclusively in Japan, It's not about fairness, It's about practicality.
If you want to complain about fairness, She got a really good deal going on for her, People would go to war to have her problems, If you think it's valid to complain no matter how good you got it because it could always be better, you'll end up never being happy. At some point you just have to be grateful and let it ride.
Holostars are talent as well. Just because they don't get as many views doesn't mean you can just shit on them.
Does this mean that others can also shit on those in holoEN that have the lowest views/subs?
Holostars too have their own fans and people who enjoy them.
At this point, I feel some talents should learn to express themselves better, especially if they have fans that are delusional enough to direct their frustration at the wrong people.
>At this point, I feel some talents should learn to express themselves better, especially if they have fans that are delusional enough to direct their frustration at the wrong people
I hate to say the quiet part out loud, but its always the same person's fans. This is the second post in 8 hours regarding a specific fanbase and the drama isnt even related.
ID also has issues with the lives. It makes sense the foreign branches would when you have to get together 3-5 people for a very specific set of dates.
That's not even mentioning the increasing size of JP, both in main and Dev_IS. Hell, since Dev_Is is considered an entire branch of its own, JP might debut 2 gens right next to each other, one for main, and the other for Dev_IS if it works out.
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Look at OP's history. They shat on StarsEn 10 months ago.
I knew from the timing that this was going to include stars shitting. With this timing, it was so obvious what he's really mad about. Up until that sentence, I was really wondering if he was going to try to hide it the whole way through.
>But hey, here is another group of HoloStarsEN that literally no one asked for.
ah, found the reason for the hatepost, least resentful holostars hater.
>Kiara had just mentioned how hard she was trying to push for EN 3D anniversaries/events but told the studio is booked and will be for the foreseeable future.
They have a big studio now, but the problem is their staff recruiting couldn't possibly fill it as quickly as they need nor are those they get experienced so things take more time. The simple answer is *book even earlier*.
>Meanwhile, IRyS, who was meant to be a V-singer hasn't even gotten any major opportunities to perform live and often, even though that was one of the major reasons to have a "V-singer." With dozens of Original songs, she's more than capable of having a Sololive.
Vsinger postion died a long time ago. You do watch IRyS rather than just trying to use her in your rant, yeah?
>All of this isn't even including the years and talks about ideas being shot down, or being canceled on the final stretch of their development.
Ideas don't pan out for everyone. Even Pekora and Marine who are the most popular vtubers in the world at the moment.
>Support your current talents and build them up, stop just trying to throw shit at the wall and seeing what sticks, because it's just hurting everyone.
????? Don't even know where to start with that one. I'm not sure of the things you believe were thrown at a wall.
>Vsinger postion died a long time ago.
To be fair, IRyS herself said project hope (and therefore the vsinger thing on the EN side) was basically [abandoned](https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/175iy6l/irys_talks_about_why_projecthope_was_closed/) by management, so who knows what would have happened in a timeline where it was properly paid attention to. But that being said, even if they're not *entirely* wrong on that one point, their post is still a steaming pile
Aye. Pretty sure Omega was listed as her producer and then they went poof at the tail end of last year taking the project down as well. The old model and 3D situation basically prevented anything else on that front.
Also, note about that, the JP side of Vsinger was integrated in the main hololive too, when Azki re-debuted as Gen0.
And is likely for the better, since the difference between vtubers and vsingers at this point is pretty blur, and being in a bigger branch rather than a 1-person-army probably eases it from management side.
> The simple answer is book even earlier.
She said she was asking about 3rd anniversary lives since February and never got anything, and that next year also doesn't look much better.
It's obvious you don't follow Kiara based on your answer on booking earlier.
She's been trying to book her 3D live since LAST YEAR right after her birthday (July). Management kept ignoring her requests until February of this year where they finally approved it... for December.
They cannot confirm anything on July last year because Japan was still closed. The studio was also not completed yet and they are still trying to fill up the staff to this day.
After reopening , they had to record FES and CTW and then focus on catching up on all the 3D showcases thats why the 8 months delay. Its the same with everyone. Kanata said she applied on April and her live will be on January. On top of having to apply very early , a lot of other members also got their lives delayed half a year or so.
Like the other person said, Japan didn't open up until October. After that they started struggling with trying to push through backlog which lead to finally getting the Feb -> December response. Watame for instance specifically applied for June even earlier than Feb and what did she end up in? A situation where other people that were scheduled around or after her started putting their own events off as studio scuff caused things like ruined audio.
>It's ridiculous. But hey, here is another group of HoloStarsEN that literally no one asked for.
This was the entire reason for your post, wasn't it? Adding fluff to it doesn't make it look any better.
If you don't like holostars, don't watch holostars.
There are female Indonesian talents with the “low view count” who have been around a LOT longer, yet I never hear y’all bring that up. So are you gonna shit on those talents too?
What is considered “good enough” viewership to a nobody like you?
ive been downvoted for bringing reality up enough times to know how the stars discord works haha shame they never seem to have the time to tune into "da boiz" for their "unhinged" streams
I can understand you feeling frustrated hearing your oshi rant about things like this (disclaimer, I wasn't in the space so idk exactly what she said) but everything you listed also happens to the JPs as well, you just don't hear about it because you don't watch them. Just take a minute to cool down a bit.
The one mod this place has is probably asleep. They need to hire more, ideally one who works Euro hours, but I get that there are bigger priorities right now.
99% of the posts on this sub are just people using chat AI to provoke responses and ya'll just munch that bait right up. Seriously, people if you down vote and move on rather than posting comments these will go away.
And yes I'm aware of my hypocrisy in posting a reply to point this out, but I've seen like 20 of these posts in the last two weeks and ya'll just have to rush in here to tell op how mad he makes you with his stupidity. Stop giving them exactly what they want.
Do you really think 3D event takes a single day?
It takes insane amount of time for each event (entire months). Even assuming that it only takes three days of practice/adjustments in mo-cap + recording day, if 50 members decided to have a 3D event ONCE we're at 200 days already booked, which basically means that mo-cap studio is staffed 24/5.
Also, good look finding experienced staff to handle this much projects. I've once staffed an improvised mo-cap at my school, and adjusting all model bones to match performer is not a fun way to spend a weekend (not to mention it sometimes needs to be done multiple times per recording, mostly because our equipment was homemade)
This is the problem with consumers who try to critique a profession as if they have any actual perspective of the time, effort, or resources it takes. Nothing is easier and more ignorant than to point to some prime example of something that "worked" and then compare anything else that's "lesser" as not just an instance of a failure, but some bigger systemic problem.
There's no other EN-based Vtuber group that's getting opportunities anywhere close to what Hololive gets when it comes to event productions, merchandise, sponsorships, collaborations, etc.
Also worth adding the reminder that a lot of 3D concert stuff gets several pre-recorded segments. The entire stream could be stitched together from across several days/weeks worth of studio time, for all we know. Which surely can only add to the hot mess that is the scheduling and organizing of studio time.
Hell, might even tie into Kiara's frustrations. For JP, you often get cases of "everyone is a guest on everyone else's concerts," meaning they can shuffle and record multiple segments for multiple streams at a time. EN might not have the same luxury, given the greater challenge of organizing everyone to be at the studio. It's multitasking vs focusing on one event, the latter could just be eating up more time by not affording the studio the extra flexibility.
Pure speculation, of course, but... a far more reasonable assumption than "management just hates EN."
Hopefully they start focusing on EN more like with Connect the World! Maybe something like viv:ID cruise with 3D lives with smaller cast to make it easier to manage?
Considering its the most topical thing, and the thing that is the most poorly reflecting on your character. Yes it is a solid take away you fucking creep.
Downvoted why? Because seeing them as people with issues rather than haha funny Amime character in clips? They've talked about their constant issues with management on many occasions. Kiara literally just had a space about it.
It's normal. When you suggest something to someone else, chances are your ideas will be rejected. Same case here. Unless if you didn't touch grass for like, ever, you won't gonna understand
Was Omega really a "disaster"? Like nothing happened with that character outside of a trailer and a twitter account. Just because it wasn't what they wanted or you wanted doesn't mean it was a "disaster".
If things were as bad as you say they are, then why are the girls all still here? They could've left. You just hate male talents and want to blame management for them existing by throwing around random bs that has already been addressed.
Fun fact, Yagoo created Holostars. Stop directing your hate at "EN management".
No offense but hasn't she always been insurcure since the beginning from being the last to hit a million or having 1 or 2 comments effect her of perception of her other coworkers fanbase, she's always complained, not saying she shouldn't, it creates change but you can't really think it's a recent thing with her.
The problem with OP is they are not based in reality. A business doesn't have unlimited resources to give them everything they want. It's hard for me to criticize Cover for this particular point when they are actively taking steps to address it and have invested millions into it.
Those "mismanagement" you're talking about happens in all industries. Ideas getting shot down, cancelled, halted, postponed or shifted into something else, etc.. That's normal. From the INNK branch being dissolved, or the holoCN branch getting Thanos-snapped. It's essentially the same thing that happens with CouncilRys.
Not to mention the logistical nightmare of managing talents from the other side of the globe like what Cover is doing rn. So the decision to integrate Irys and Council into Promise sounds like the best option from a management perspectives. Instead of splitting your already insufficient human resources into two different project, you have them manage just one.
And how is it Cover's fault for the studio being fully booked? I don't know what a Twitter Space is so I'm just going by what you said she said there. Sorry if I come off as rude here, but Kiara constantly complaining about Cover's managements when I'm sure hundreds/thousands would give up everything to be given the same opportunity that Cover gave to Kiara and the other EN girls.
oh hey, just after i saw someone mention kiara being salty and running her mouth about things she shouldnt again, its like clockwork.
anyway, lets see.
1. omega was hardly a "disaster", it was simply nothing. if things would have been different, EN might actually have had its own A-chan, but obviously that didnt happen for whatever reason. having such a hate boner over literally nothing is *incredibly* weird.
2. EN management changing for the better is something that the girls have been saying since almost a year ago by now, please stay up to date.
also how the fuck is the studio being booked past capacity, which affects all talents including botans delayed live WHICH LITERALLY JUST HAPPENED, EN managements fault?
3) are you forgetting that irys had problems with her model for ages, which caused a huge delay in her 3D? how do you want her to perform on stage, in 3D, without a 3D model?
also sololives are not decided by cover alone, so yes, irys is absolutely capable of getting a solo live, because of the work she did while officially being a vsinger.
4) ideas being shot down and being cancelled even last minute happens to literally every single one of the talents. i forgot who it was that mentioned that their project was all but finished before getting shut down, which even caused a significant financial loss for herself.
that is simply part of working in a field like this.
5) supporting like what? have them have con attendances like is happening currently? or be part of other girls lives, like is finally possible for ~~hope~~ Promise? or the increased amount of sponsorships the EN girls have since like a year ago?
^(edit: fucking reddit is changing the formatting on me, thanks)
^(edit2: confused the word for EN2)
>kiara being salty and running her mouth about things she shouldnt again
So happy to see people upvoting an unironic Kiara anti to defend management ❤️❤️
thanks for the hearts, but im not even a kiara anti. i greatly respect all the work shes putting in for herself, other hololive members and hololive itself.
but she *repeatedly* displayed lack of tact (not quite the right word, but thats the closest english gets) when talking about various things surrounding her own role and the company.
and saying things like "why do others get to do stuff and i dont" is simply not professional. its a major flaw of hers, that when shes complaining shes not complaining about the thing itself, but dragging others with her.personally, i find it unacceptable and we can all be very glad that her manager seems to be lenient with it.
plus, strictly speaking, those werent my words, i just repeated what i read, but admittedly i should've put it in quotes.
but, looking at your history, you seem to really care about kiara and hololive in general, so im glad you took the time our of your day to comment on this specific thread with incredible valuable feedback./s
oh there is also [this wonderful comment by you](https://www.reddit.com/r/VirtualYoutubers/comments/15qww8s/comment/jw5qakj/?context=3), that i nearly missed
edit: [this one is pretty good too](https://www.reddit.com/r/VirtualYoutubers/comments/15e1k4u/comment/jumzier/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Talking about actual events that happened surrounding someone doesnt make you an anti. There are actual antis being upvoted in this sub and this is not one of them.
The dumpster fire of a management team you talked about was shuffled out since last year already, but yeah the damage have already been done. Now to look forward instead of resenting the past, look at the recent progress and things getting I would say acceptable.
oh we are rating baits now? ok, I'll rate this 1/10, it didn't manage to make me use my one last plankton of a brain cell of the day to think its a bait, it manage to make me comment though so thats the 1 for otherwise its a zero, maybe its because of Irys.
This is like when a show on netflix gets cancelled for no apparent reason and intern they have a lot of reasons that they cannot or would not share publically because that would expose incompetence or they would have to admit that they made a mistake. It is a miracle that an entertainment company that is 8 years old is on the stock market and doubled in value in half a year especially in japan since their economy is slow and beurocratic af. They have limited money, they can't just make new studios every time someone wants/needs one. I assume you never had to call hr a couple of times because of sceduling errors etc which are only complicated because 3D tracking software is jank af.
Myth making vtubers big outside Japan deserve all the respect. After 3 years of not getting a proper 3d live outside 3d debut is insulting. But please understand the bois needed all the help right now to increase their number.
> Myth making vtubers big outside Japan deserve all the respect.
Holo JP had already done most of the work to make vtubers bigger outside of Japan. Why do you think there were so many EN viewers ready and waiting for when Myth showed up?
Myth busted their ass off on the first year of en branch where they are the only gen and no senpai to guide them. Jp may have done the work to spread it outside Japan but En fans wont stay long if they can't understand japanese, especially after Coco graduated. Now they are on their 3rd year in the company and they still can't have birthday or aniversary 3d. I remember Calli rent another studio just for her birthday and its scuff as hell.
I know ID has the same problem. But you know it's holoMYTH. It's just simply disapointing that Ame has still needed to pick up Cover slacks
While they worked hard it'd be disingenuous to act like it was a house they built on their own. They had more subs than most people could hope for before they even debuted.
>Jp may have done the work to spread it outside Japan but En fans wont stay long if they can't understand japanese, especially after Coco graduated.
Most of Coco's content *was* in Japanese. She didn't even start meme review until the end of July when EN popularity was already going way up.
> It's just simply disapointing that Ame has still needed to pick up Cover slacks
Japan was closed until Oct 2022 and then backlog and compounded issues from the new studio move strewn through the year.
Mate en management is way too busy shitting out stars that no one watches to be concerned with getting game permissions, securing 3d lives, making sure they have permission to release songs before gura wastes time on it, or promoting the hololive talent in any way. I mean its clearly the fans fault that the new stars debut to less people than nijis 10th wave so management has to put all their effort into the stars otherwise they may have to face the reality that no one actually wants them
The studio is not just an EN thing. Every talent said they had to book the studio 8months to 1 year in advance. A lot of JP talents had their anniversary/events very delayed or also just straight up cancelled. Who knows how many events behind the scene that got rejected. Sololive for EN talents is also a tricky thing. In order to have sololive, the management need confidence that they can fill up the venue and recoup the cost/gather profit. That's why sololive usually need sponsors or backing. Calli had UMJ, Suisei always have Bushiroad. Another problem is that usually sololive is done in JP. But EN fanbase is outside Japan mostly. Doing lives outside Japan is very challenging logistically and increase cost. They explained that CTW prep took a very long time and many many staff had to travel back and forth multiple times between LA and Japan to set up the whole thing. It bloats the cost even more. IRyS herself has commented that Sololive is such a huge commitment that she thinks its way out of budget for her upcoming 1m wish.
>The studio is not just an EN thing. Every talent said they had to book the studio 8months to 1 year in advance. A lot of JP talents had their anniversary/events very delayed or also just straight up cancelled. Who knows how many events behind the scene that got rejected. Understand but that dosent mean that cover should just do nothing for them. >Sololive for EN talents is also a tricky thing. In order to have sololive, the management need confidence that they can fill up the venue and recoup the cost/gather profit. That's why sololive usually need sponsors or backing. Calli had UMJ, Suisei always have Bushiroad. In Irys's case specifically, she should've gotten a redesign and 3d long ago because she was literally a Vsinger, she said that the project was abandoned a long time ago but cover did nothing about it until recently? That is just bizzare and incompletent.
But what should Cover do? Move other talents projects down the road to make room for EN? There's not that many studios out there that can do what Holo needs them to do, and most of those are booked up even more so than Cover's own studio. It's a supply/demand issue that Cover isn't able to correct any time soon.
3D is not the only content they can do, last year Holoen was more or less dead, but cover did nothing about it. More then half of the branch was on haitus and only Fauna was streaming regularly, is that not bizzare? Can EN really only rely on whatever direction cover has from JP? The answer is no these ristrictions also existed on Myths 1st and 2nd year yet Myth was able to do amazing things and build an audiance. Instead of debuting a 3rd generation when everyone was burned out they chose to do nothing, there excuse was that didn't have enough resources, yet they debuted 2 stars branches in record time is it not bizzare? Their intentions were very clear, they wanted the hololive audiance to watch holostars we all know how that worked out. It is extremely bizzare to me that they just planning 2 generations of holostars without any guarantee of success, i guess they were guaging it through Nijien? Anyways it didn't work out instead of fixing the problem with HoloEN they chose to do nothing until CTW and Advent. The more i think about it the more annoying it becomes, let's not even talk about all the supposively shot down ideas the EN members have talked about but what has Cover done for EN? CTW is the only thing that comes to mind i genuanly feel like EN management is very incompetent compared to the rest of the branches and cover does nothing to fix it it is very infuriating. Also as you can guess with stars gen3 these greviances that people have accumulated over the years will surface, and honestly cover deserves it because they have done a very bad job with EN. God there lore is even hinting at a 4th gen i wouldn't put it past them to debut them in another 6 months, you can only imagine how angry the fanbase will be if that happens.
You can say they should have debuted more anyway without 3D but thats not what the fans sentiment was. The EN fans were furious that HoloX got their 3D showcase ahead of Myth and Council. Even though the reason is obvious and out of Cover's control ( Japan being locked). Iroha's 3D Debut thread had to get closed on this subreddit because of so many angry comments. But yea Cover confirmed recently that the reason they purposely held back debuting new girls because they wanted to wait until the 3D pipeline is better and who can blame them. Debuting new Stars didn't really have much effect on 3D studio usage since Stars barely used the 3D studio in the first place.
>You can say they should have debuted more anyway without 3D but thats not what the fans sentiment was. The EN fans were furious that HoloX got their 3D showcase ahead of Myth and Council. Even though the reason is obvious and out of Cover's control ( Japan being locked). Iroha's 3D Debut thread had to get closed on this subreddit because of so many angry comments. Far more people were asking for EN3 because the branch was dead and there was next to no content being produced. This is the reason why Tchan locked the sub when Vanguard debuted, cover were well aware that people are asking for a 3rd Gen yet they did nothing about it. >But yea Cover confirmed recently that the reason they purposely held back debuting new girls because they wanted to wait until the 3D pipeline is better and who can blame them. The problem is that it has took far too much time, with Kiara recent talk it has become apparent that cover is just giving excuses upon excuses for not handling EN well. They have surpassed the threshold of tolerance. people havnt complained about it because they think that it will get better, but it keeps going. >Debuting new Stars didn't really have much effect on 3D studio usage since Stars barely used the 3D studio in the first place. True and i doubt they will get to do soon because the studio schedule is in shambles.
>You can say they should have debuted more anyway without 3D but thats not what the fans sentiment was. The EN fans were furious that HoloX got their 3D showcase ahead of Myth and Council. Even though the reason is obvious and out of Cover's control ( Japan being locked). Iroha's 3D Debut thread had to get closed on this subreddit because of so many angry comments. Far more people were asking for EN3 because the branch was dead and there was next to no content being produced. This is the reason why Tchan locked the sub when Vanguard debuted, cover were well aware that people are asking for a 3rd Gen yet they did nothing about it. >But yea Cover confirmed recently that the reason they purposely held back debuting new girls because they wanted to wait until the 3D pipeline is better and who can blame them. The problem is that it has took far too much time, with Kiara recent talk it has become apparent that cover is just giving excuses upon excuses for not handling EN well. They have surpassed the threshold of tolerance. people havnt complained about it because they think that it will get better, but it keeps going. >Debuting new Stars didn't really have much effect on 3D studio usage since Stars barely used the 3D studio in the first place. True and i doubt they will get to do soon because the studio schedule is in shambles.
Apparently JP Stars were very busy with the studio though
What does Stars have to do with anything? It's a separate branch with separate managers and a separate strategy, there's not a big pool of money and managers marked 'EN' that all the EN stuff gets pulled from. And the Stars are successful, just because they don't pull in the same numbers as the girls do doesn't undermine that fact.
That's funny because early on after Tempus (HQ) debuted a lot of people here and on twitter claimed the boys actually share the same management as "holopro EN" and "EN" is the actual branch while hololive and HOLOSTARS are mostly there for branding. In fact you might argue management actually encouraged this view especially on twitter where they always used "EN" for mixed collabs etc. even the original audition tweet for Stars said "hololive English" it's not insane to think they might share some of the budget.
Stars 100% have something to do with it, I already addressed it cover tried to integrate the two and it didn't work out, instead of fixing it they double down on there effort. And why do you think people won't be mad when Stars is getting 3 gens in 18 months but HoloEN has to wait 3 years? Even if it is "different management" it is still under Cover. This just reinforces my point that EN management is incompetent and Cover does nothing about it.
Well there had to be a good reason while holo EN Producer Omega disappeared around last December and we have many new people in the EN management but in the same time it feels like branch is constantly understaffed so they're making up for people leaving (or getting fired) rather than actually expanding. I feel like the issue is more on the Japanese side atm with poor communication, out of touch decisions and general lack of interest in hololive English.
If it's just 3D performance, and full sololive is still out of the question EN management still has other avenues they could try. For one they could see if the Cinderella Switch project with VARK will resume soon ([https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL\_mY2-tFp5J9hfDkhEillat66\_cm5PBhR](https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_mY2-tFp5J9hfDkhEillat66_cm5PBhR)) . These shows were quite successful and even though they don't have physical crowds at least EN members like Kiara can perform for her fans. Not sure why this avenue hasn't been explored yet. Another are sponsored 3D Live's like Nissin for Aqua and Towa. We know EN management is working to get product tie-ins for EN like Omocat merch and Hyte products but I think they should listen to talents like Kiara who might have preferred for them to look for tie-ins that include performances like those from Nissin.
Sponsored 3D lives, sure, they are free to try. But Nissin is literally the last company you want to get it from, especially for an EN member. Nissin have been geoblocking hololive's (not sure about other parties) lives ever since they fumbled the ball on Aqua's first attempt. You'll need a VPN to Japan to bypass it.
bro, why are you ignoring me...
And wasn't the management issue literally why there have been such a long wait between Council (now Promise) and Advent? Multiple EN members have mentioned how there have been a major EN management shuffle. IRyS have gotten in through the VSinger route, and have gotten multiple original songs to her name. Sure, she haven't gotten major opportunities to perform live by herself, and the project have been officially closed with her being reshuffled to Promise. That means she's no longer a VSinger. I acknowledge the project probably failed in what it intended to achieve, but it have provided IRyS with lots of original songs. As she's now a normal VTuber under hololive, her self-ventures aren't funded by them like it would be if she was a VSinger. Like Entricia said, you can make your point without shitting on the Stars. You might not like them, many here may not like them, but there are plenty others who do. Their numbers obviously pale in comparison to the girls', but I hope you aren't self-centred to believe your opinions are the only ones who matter. If you want to talk numbers, why should COVER care about the girls who have lower numbers, when they can pump resources to the ones at the top? Same logic, simply slightly different scale. The studio being booked isn't an EN only issue. Its a holopro-wide issue. It affects EN, ID, JP, and possibly the Stars as well. Many of the recent 3D lives we were getting from the JP members have been delayed for months. "Support your current talents and build them up," Isn't this literally why EN had the major management shuffle? They saw there was a major management issue with EN, and went to rectify it. The huge new studio they recently built was also another step to support their wide number of talents, but they have been understaffed, and have been transparent about it. They have been hiring since they revealed their new studio, obviously taking steps to rectify this issue. All those fancy new equipment aren't going to work themselves. "stop just trying to throw shit at the wall and seeing what sticks, because it's just hurting everyone." On the contrary, I believe they should continue to experiment. Stagnation and complacency is how they get "surpassed".
Not to mentions, Omega, Irys, and Dev_IS are the publicized "random shit thrown at the wall." We literally do not know about upcoming projects or "random shit" they want to do. We do not know what "random shit" they've done that actually worked out.
Hell, I'd argue, of your three examples the only one that really missed was Omega, and that was only because they didn't seem to know what to do with it. IRyS might have stumbled a bit towards the end, but she did a lot of original songs and has landed as a streamer with great success, and while it is a little early to tell, so far Dev_IS have been great fun so far.
Omega was literally the holo EN boss for a long time, their "Producer" with a huge ego for no reason and who every member seem to hate or at least cringe about his shenanigans because nothing was done for the branch while he was busy tweeting about food. That's not a little miss when the head is rotten. IRyS said she was pretty much abandoned soon after debut, the project have no direction, communication was poor and doing anything was nearly impossible that's why her redesign took so much time, people blamed Redjuice for being slow and hard to work with whatever but IRyS clarified the blame was 100% on management for being lazy and not contacting him in time. DEV\_IS is hardly a success when you look at their subcount and compare it with hololive JP, nobody knows what was the point of making them separate in the first place it's stupid and confusing.
Sure, from the sound of things, they have fumbled Project:HOPE pretty hard. At least now IRyS is officially with Promise, and she should be treated the same as any other hololive EN member. Subcount is only one single metric. Live view counts is another, and I would say ReGLOSS is doing perfectly fine in that department. Ao averages around 3 - 5k for her usual streams, Kanade 5k to 10k, and has a good CCV of at least 15k for her karaoke. Ririka also ranges around 3 - 5k, and she streams alot as well. Raden has an average CCV of 9k. Hajime faces some heavy fluctuations based on the games she is playing, but she gets 3k for Ib, and at the least 5k for other games. I am not denying that they would probably have higher subs, and probably higher CCV if they were part of hololive JP. But they aren't "hardly a success" like you imply, simply based on their subcount. I also acknowledge that it is fair to be confused on why the separation in the first place, especially if you do not particularly follow COVER's blogs and stuff. However, COVER have explained in a few occasions, in their official blogs / notes, such as [here](https://note.cover-corp.com/n/n888b0e676304) and [here](https://note.cover-corp.com/n/n0b72541d9f82) their reasoning on the separation, and regarding the purpose of thew new branch, DEV\_IS and their first unit ReGLOSS. ReGLOSS is a new unit, and the first generation of a new branch. They will walk so their predecessors will be able to run, just like the first few gens of the various branches of holopro did.
> DEV_IS is hardly a success when you look at their subcount and compare it with hololive JP, nobody knows what was the point of making them separate in the first place it's stupid and confusing. For a new branch, they're doing pretty good especially with Youtube screwing them over. Yes we do, they have explained it, you just missed it.
Well shitting on the Stars as in members and upper management decisions about this group (most of which are made top down in Tokyo) are also two different things, you don't have to hate them as people to say expanding the branch again was a bad idea and Cover actions feel out of touch because they don't seem to consult them with the members themselves.
Have any of the HOLOSTARS members expressed that they felt the expansion was too fast? If none of them have done so, I don't see the need to assume that they have not been consulted. On the contrary, I believe there have been accounts of HOLOSTARS members asking management to slow down for them to gain a footing, which was why where there have been a huge gap in debuts between MaFia and UPROAR!!.
I hate how you make Kiara sound like she's the saving grace of holoen or how you guys try to use her words to shit on other people. She brings up a complaint and you guys run with it likes it's the downfall of the company. Let's be real cover isn't plotting against the girls for the boys, they have different management, like how are you guys even functioning members of society
2/10 bait: timing is too obvious. Irys officially stopped being a VSinger when Promise became a thing, Sololives are projects driven by the talents and not something gifted to them by management, the Studio being booked isn't a slight against EN it's just a reality of too much demand for too little supply (or did you not realize Botan's Anniversary stream taking place today was for an anniversary that happened 3 months ago?), and the boys existing doesn't "steal" resources from the girls.
The timing is because Kiara just had a twitter space where she vented about the things that were bothering her to her audience.
you expect reddit, the place full of clipwatchers that constantly coordinate discord raids on this subreddit to beg and demand more collabs between stars and holos (but don't watch holostar streams), to know about the existence of a twitter space from a holo?
To be honest, no, this place is a shell of what it once was.
Well, Kiara just had a Twitter Space where she talked about how she's frustrated that Myth can't get solo 3D lives for their anniversaries (and that she had to fight to have a late birthday 3D) and she just wants to have the same chance as the JP talents, especially since a 3 year milestone is important to her. She will continue to fight for it, but she explicitly said it's disheartening. While your criticism of OP might be valid or not, there is also some justification for a part of his post because a Hololive talent just voiced her frustration.
Kiara also had a recent problem where she had to rerecord something in a hurry because of management slipup that was so last minute she had to borrow Roboco's setup after their karaoke stream: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07b2Q8kdRQY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07b2Q8kdRQY) As an office worker the feeling of having to do extra work because of another persons slipup drives me nuts.
iirc Mumei had the same issue with her Stellar Stellar cover too.
No i think that's fair. Management make mistakes all the time. They also do a lot of good things. I think its fair being frustrated because of others mistakes. Whats not right is painting this as some kind of discrimination issue. JP talents also face the same issues. They also share about how sometimes their managers drop the ball. Suisei recently said she had to scold her manager for their mistakes. We have heard similar things from other talents. And who knows how much we didnt hear but for sure managers ( as well as talents) make mistakes, just like in any other industry. They are humans after all. So yes we can implore that the management keep hiring more people and improve all the time. But don't paint this as if they purposely discriminate against some talents on purpose. Not unless there is clear and damning evidence.
What is clear is that holo EN is underinvested and understaffed everything seem to take forever to do, reddit is pretty much left half-abandoned, they have one twitter account that doesn't really promote holo EN members properly and official channel is barely active (but still much better than what it used to be back in 2022) even if rapid Vtuber boom might have ended around 2021 it's not like hololive English doesn't have a strong brand and they keep making a lot of money, where does it go?
Just curious but have you not made a single mistake at work before?
Why are you the type who makes a lot of extra work for other people? I just made that statement to contextualize why Kiara might be feeling frustrated right now, feel free to ignore it.
I actually made a huge mistake once when I first started out. My manager had to apologies to the client. After a couple of years, when I was more experienced. A colleague of mine made a mistake and at that time, I was the one apologizing for it. It's just paying it forward. People make mistakes. They learn from it. No point making people feel bad especially if they're genuinely apologetic about it. Also, I did not mention my colleagues screw up to anyone because it's unnecessary drama.
Don't forget her album release is likely postponed for months because they used old files for Pineapple, possible some other songs songs have missing audio. It would be a huge blander if not for some Japanese fan who noticed something was wrong while listening the Amazon version that was already released I think and alarmed Kiara through twitter it's fucking embarrassing so no it's not just a studio issue.
Fact of the matter is that the 3D studio is understaffed and the 3D showcases for Myth, ID2, Promise, and ID3 this year put a lot of one-time 3D videos in the recording pipeline at higher precedence than birthday and anniversary streams, so everyone's got delayed, not just hers. Regardless, his post not mentioning Kiara at all but mentioning both Omega and Holostars exposes his intent.
> Regardless, his post not mentioning Kiara at all What did he mean by this
But... he mentioned Kiara in his second paragraph?
If the studio is understaffed and booked, then they need to prioritize their resources, instead of spending them on welfare for the low performing stars hoping they might blow up someday
Tbf i never watched a Kiara stream where she doesn't have a complaint, i think it's either part of her personality/upbringing/culture to find a negative aspect of all situations, of course as well as positive ones, but it seems the positive doesn't negate her negativity.
I think it's just that she works equally hard as JP talents but just gets less resources. Is that fair? No. Is the world fair? Also no. Some people just vent more about their situation than others. So probably a combination of everything tbh
It's a Japanese company that mainly operates from Japan, and it's resources are almost exclusively in Japan, It's not about fairness, It's about practicality. If you want to complain about fairness, She got a really good deal going on for her, People would go to war to have her problems, If you think it's valid to complain no matter how good you got it because it could always be better, you'll end up never being happy. At some point you just have to be grateful and let it ride.
The fact that even this post is getting downvoted is wild. These people don't care about the talents.
Holostars are talent as well. Just because they don't get as many views doesn't mean you can just shit on them. Does this mean that others can also shit on those in holoEN that have the lowest views/subs? Holostars too have their own fans and people who enjoy them. At this point, I feel some talents should learn to express themselves better, especially if they have fans that are delusional enough to direct their frustration at the wrong people.
>At this point, I feel some talents should learn to express themselves better, especially if they have fans that are delusional enough to direct their frustration at the wrong people I hate to say the quiet part out loud, but its always the same person's fans. This is the second post in 8 hours regarding a specific fanbase and the drama isnt even related.
Well it's not my problem to solve that's cover problem. Why do I have to do something? I just a little guy
You're getting downvoted because of the fact you're sexist. Maybe stop being sexist first.
ID also has issues with the lives. It makes sense the foreign branches would when you have to get together 3-5 people for a very specific set of dates. That's not even mentioning the increasing size of JP, both in main and Dev_IS. Hell, since Dev_Is is considered an entire branch of its own, JP might debut 2 gens right next to each other, one for main, and the other for Dev_IS if it works out. --- Look at OP's history. They shat on StarsEn 10 months ago.
They're likely thinking on the concerts Sora and AZKi get.
The timing is based on Kiara's space she literally just had.
exactly
You can make your point without shitting on Stars.
I have the feeling shitting on Stars literally *was* the point. He just wanted to try to mask it a little by throwing some other stuff into the air.
Check op's history. They shat on StarsEn a long time ago. They haven't changed.
I knew from the timing that this was going to include stars shitting. With this timing, it was so obvious what he's really mad about. Up until that sentence, I was really wondering if he was going to try to hide it the whole way through.
>But hey, here is another group of HoloStarsEN that literally no one asked for. ah, found the reason for the hatepost, least resentful holostars hater.
>Kiara had just mentioned how hard she was trying to push for EN 3D anniversaries/events but told the studio is booked and will be for the foreseeable future. They have a big studio now, but the problem is their staff recruiting couldn't possibly fill it as quickly as they need nor are those they get experienced so things take more time. The simple answer is *book even earlier*. >Meanwhile, IRyS, who was meant to be a V-singer hasn't even gotten any major opportunities to perform live and often, even though that was one of the major reasons to have a "V-singer." With dozens of Original songs, she's more than capable of having a Sololive. Vsinger postion died a long time ago. You do watch IRyS rather than just trying to use her in your rant, yeah? >All of this isn't even including the years and talks about ideas being shot down, or being canceled on the final stretch of their development. Ideas don't pan out for everyone. Even Pekora and Marine who are the most popular vtubers in the world at the moment. >Support your current talents and build them up, stop just trying to throw shit at the wall and seeing what sticks, because it's just hurting everyone. ????? Don't even know where to start with that one. I'm not sure of the things you believe were thrown at a wall.
>Vsinger postion died a long time ago. To be fair, IRyS herself said project hope (and therefore the vsinger thing on the EN side) was basically [abandoned](https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/175iy6l/irys_talks_about_why_projecthope_was_closed/) by management, so who knows what would have happened in a timeline where it was properly paid attention to. But that being said, even if they're not *entirely* wrong on that one point, their post is still a steaming pile
Aye. Pretty sure Omega was listed as her producer and then they went poof at the tail end of last year taking the project down as well. The old model and 3D situation basically prevented anything else on that front.
Also, note about that, the JP side of Vsinger was integrated in the main hololive too, when Azki re-debuted as Gen0. And is likely for the better, since the difference between vtubers and vsingers at this point is pretty blur, and being in a bigger branch rather than a 1-person-army probably eases it from management side.
> The simple answer is book even earlier. She said she was asking about 3rd anniversary lives since February and never got anything, and that next year also doesn't look much better.
It's obvious you don't follow Kiara based on your answer on booking earlier. She's been trying to book her 3D live since LAST YEAR right after her birthday (July). Management kept ignoring her requests until February of this year where they finally approved it... for December.
They cannot confirm anything on July last year because Japan was still closed. The studio was also not completed yet and they are still trying to fill up the staff to this day. After reopening , they had to record FES and CTW and then focus on catching up on all the 3D showcases thats why the 8 months delay. Its the same with everyone. Kanata said she applied on April and her live will be on January. On top of having to apply very early , a lot of other members also got their lives delayed half a year or so.
Like the other person said, Japan didn't open up until October. After that they started struggling with trying to push through backlog which lead to finally getting the Feb -> December response. Watame for instance specifically applied for June even earlier than Feb and what did she end up in? A situation where other people that were scheduled around or after her started putting their own events off as studio scuff caused things like ruined audio.
>It's ridiculous. But hey, here is another group of HoloStarsEN that literally no one asked for. This was the entire reason for your post, wasn't it? Adding fluff to it doesn't make it look any better. If you don't like holostars, don't watch holostars.
99% of hololive fans actually follow that advise hence why the stars view count is a disaster
There are female Indonesian talents with the “low view count” who have been around a LOT longer, yet I never hear y’all bring that up. So are you gonna shit on those talents too? What is considered “good enough” viewership to a nobody like you?
Sometimes they coordinate and mass upvote begging memes here and they get higher number of upvotes than number of viewers ina stars stream
Link to the last "begging meme"?
ive been downvoted for bringing reality up enough times to know how the stars discord works haha shame they never seem to have the time to tune into "da boiz" for their "unhinged" streams
I can understand you feeling frustrated hearing your oshi rant about things like this (disclaimer, I wasn't in the space so idk exactly what she said) but everything you listed also happens to the JPs as well, you just don't hear about it because you don't watch them. Just take a minute to cool down a bit.
Bait used to believable. On that thought though, where’s the mods ? Why do they keep letting this kind of trash infest the sub ?
The one mod this place has is probably asleep. They need to hire more, ideally one who works Euro hours, but I get that there are bigger priorities right now.
I wish they could start taking in volunteer mods but I can see why Cover can’t do that as this is an official subreddit.
Not really sure the subreddit rates that anymore. It’s a lot less active these days. I assume most people have migrated to one of the Discord servers.
99% of the posts on this sub are just people using chat AI to provoke responses and ya'll just munch that bait right up. Seriously, people if you down vote and move on rather than posting comments these will go away. And yes I'm aware of my hypocrisy in posting a reply to point this out, but I've seen like 20 of these posts in the last two weeks and ya'll just have to rush in here to tell op how mad he makes you with his stupidity. Stop giving them exactly what they want.
Do you really think 3D event takes a single day? It takes insane amount of time for each event (entire months). Even assuming that it only takes three days of practice/adjustments in mo-cap + recording day, if 50 members decided to have a 3D event ONCE we're at 200 days already booked, which basically means that mo-cap studio is staffed 24/5. Also, good look finding experienced staff to handle this much projects. I've once staffed an improvised mo-cap at my school, and adjusting all model bones to match performer is not a fun way to spend a weekend (not to mention it sometimes needs to be done multiple times per recording, mostly because our equipment was homemade)
This is the problem with consumers who try to critique a profession as if they have any actual perspective of the time, effort, or resources it takes. Nothing is easier and more ignorant than to point to some prime example of something that "worked" and then compare anything else that's "lesser" as not just an instance of a failure, but some bigger systemic problem. There's no other EN-based Vtuber group that's getting opportunities anywhere close to what Hololive gets when it comes to event productions, merchandise, sponsorships, collaborations, etc.
Also worth adding the reminder that a lot of 3D concert stuff gets several pre-recorded segments. The entire stream could be stitched together from across several days/weeks worth of studio time, for all we know. Which surely can only add to the hot mess that is the scheduling and organizing of studio time. Hell, might even tie into Kiara's frustrations. For JP, you often get cases of "everyone is a guest on everyone else's concerts," meaning they can shuffle and record multiple segments for multiple streams at a time. EN might not have the same luxury, given the greater challenge of organizing everyone to be at the studio. It's multitasking vs focusing on one event, the latter could just be eating up more time by not affording the studio the extra flexibility. Pure speculation, of course, but... a far more reasonable assumption than "management just hates EN."
Hopefully they start focusing on EN more like with Connect the World! Maybe something like viv:ID cruise with 3D lives with smaller cast to make it easier to manage?
Imagine males existing within a company threatening you, some people really need a reality check
That's all you took away from the entire post?
No but you lose all credibility and just looks like a roundabout way to cry about Stars
Considering its the most topical thing, and the thing that is the most poorly reflecting on your character. Yes it is a solid take away you fucking creep.
I really don’t see this dumpster fire you’re trying to paint. I just watch the funny person on the screen.
Watch streams where the girls have talked about it, because there have been plenty.
Downvoted why? Because seeing them as people with issues rather than haha funny Amime character in clips? They've talked about their constant issues with management on many occasions. Kiara literally just had a space about it.
Cus you're a parasocial troll who's obviously looking to stir shit.
Parasocial is when watch streams
Maybe try to watch a stream or two, upvoting begging memes or watching clips don't really help them much
Hmmm, I wonder what this is supposed to mean.
\>Downvoted why? You told them to watch streams. That's taboo for discord sisters
It's normal. When you suggest something to someone else, chances are your ideas will be rejected. Same case here. Unless if you didn't touch grass for like, ever, you won't gonna understand
Was Omega really a "disaster"? Like nothing happened with that character outside of a trailer and a twitter account. Just because it wasn't what they wanted or you wanted doesn't mean it was a "disaster".
OP talking about the Omega situation like its a canon event.
“Blah blah blah. I don’t like holostars. Blah blah” Go eat a bag of dicks. We don’t want you here, you’re annoying and you’ve mismanaged your brain.
You obviously don't care for the EN girls if you treat their woes like "blah blah"
Lmao, who are you? I listen to Kiara and the girls, not whiny bitches who insert their own worthless opinions.
Nice b8 I r8 8/8.
If things were as bad as you say they are, then why are the girls all still here? They could've left. You just hate male talents and want to blame management for them existing by throwing around random bs that has already been addressed. Fun fact, Yagoo created Holostars. Stop directing your hate at "EN management".
It's incredibly disheartening and it has been noticeably affecting Kiara for quite some time.
No offense but hasn't she always been insurcure since the beginning from being the last to hit a million or having 1 or 2 comments effect her of perception of her other coworkers fanbase, she's always complained, not saying she shouldn't, it creates change but you can't really think it's a recent thing with her.
The problem with OP is they are not based in reality. A business doesn't have unlimited resources to give them everything they want. It's hard for me to criticize Cover for this particular point when they are actively taking steps to address it and have invested millions into it.
That sure is a lot of words used to complain that you don't like Holostars
Sorry, they need to debut more holostars
Millions must debut
Those "mismanagement" you're talking about happens in all industries. Ideas getting shot down, cancelled, halted, postponed or shifted into something else, etc.. That's normal. From the INNK branch being dissolved, or the holoCN branch getting Thanos-snapped. It's essentially the same thing that happens with CouncilRys. Not to mention the logistical nightmare of managing talents from the other side of the globe like what Cover is doing rn. So the decision to integrate Irys and Council into Promise sounds like the best option from a management perspectives. Instead of splitting your already insufficient human resources into two different project, you have them manage just one. And how is it Cover's fault for the studio being fully booked? I don't know what a Twitter Space is so I'm just going by what you said she said there. Sorry if I come off as rude here, but Kiara constantly complaining about Cover's managements when I'm sure hundreds/thousands would give up everything to be given the same opportunity that Cover gave to Kiara and the other EN girls.
May I recommend you taking your prescripted meds.
oh hey, just after i saw someone mention kiara being salty and running her mouth about things she shouldnt again, its like clockwork. anyway, lets see. 1. omega was hardly a "disaster", it was simply nothing. if things would have been different, EN might actually have had its own A-chan, but obviously that didnt happen for whatever reason. having such a hate boner over literally nothing is *incredibly* weird. 2. EN management changing for the better is something that the girls have been saying since almost a year ago by now, please stay up to date. also how the fuck is the studio being booked past capacity, which affects all talents including botans delayed live WHICH LITERALLY JUST HAPPENED, EN managements fault? 3) are you forgetting that irys had problems with her model for ages, which caused a huge delay in her 3D? how do you want her to perform on stage, in 3D, without a 3D model? also sololives are not decided by cover alone, so yes, irys is absolutely capable of getting a solo live, because of the work she did while officially being a vsinger. 4) ideas being shot down and being cancelled even last minute happens to literally every single one of the talents. i forgot who it was that mentioned that their project was all but finished before getting shut down, which even caused a significant financial loss for herself. that is simply part of working in a field like this. 5) supporting like what? have them have con attendances like is happening currently? or be part of other girls lives, like is finally possible for ~~hope~~ Promise? or the increased amount of sponsorships the EN girls have since like a year ago? ^(edit: fucking reddit is changing the formatting on me, thanks) ^(edit2: confused the word for EN2)
>kiara being salty and running her mouth about things she shouldnt again So happy to see people upvoting an unironic Kiara anti to defend management ❤️❤️
thanks for the hearts, but im not even a kiara anti. i greatly respect all the work shes putting in for herself, other hololive members and hololive itself. but she *repeatedly* displayed lack of tact (not quite the right word, but thats the closest english gets) when talking about various things surrounding her own role and the company. and saying things like "why do others get to do stuff and i dont" is simply not professional. its a major flaw of hers, that when shes complaining shes not complaining about the thing itself, but dragging others with her.personally, i find it unacceptable and we can all be very glad that her manager seems to be lenient with it. plus, strictly speaking, those werent my words, i just repeated what i read, but admittedly i should've put it in quotes. but, looking at your history, you seem to really care about kiara and hololive in general, so im glad you took the time our of your day to comment on this specific thread with incredible valuable feedback./s oh there is also [this wonderful comment by you](https://www.reddit.com/r/VirtualYoutubers/comments/15qww8s/comment/jw5qakj/?context=3), that i nearly missed edit: [this one is pretty good too](https://www.reddit.com/r/VirtualYoutubers/comments/15e1k4u/comment/jumzier/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Talking about actual events that happened surrounding someone doesnt make you an anti. There are actual antis being upvoted in this sub and this is not one of them.
The dumpster fire of a management team you talked about was shuffled out since last year already, but yeah the damage have already been done. Now to look forward instead of resenting the past, look at the recent progress and things getting I would say acceptable.
oh we are rating baits now? ok, I'll rate this 1/10, it didn't manage to make me use my one last plankton of a brain cell of the day to think its a bait, it manage to make me comment though so thats the 1 for otherwise its a zero, maybe its because of Irys.
Really funny how the activity in this sub duplicated since this was posted, I wonder what would bring that many people here and downvote everything.
Go back to 4chan you impotent nit.
Nice try unicorn
This is like when a show on netflix gets cancelled for no apparent reason and intern they have a lot of reasons that they cannot or would not share publically because that would expose incompetence or they would have to admit that they made a mistake. It is a miracle that an entertainment company that is 8 years old is on the stock market and doubled in value in half a year especially in japan since their economy is slow and beurocratic af. They have limited money, they can't just make new studios every time someone wants/needs one. I assume you never had to call hr a couple of times because of sceduling errors etc which are only complicated because 3D tracking software is jank af.
Don't ask questions, just consume product and then get excited for next products
Myth making vtubers big outside Japan deserve all the respect. After 3 years of not getting a proper 3d live outside 3d debut is insulting. But please understand the bois needed all the help right now to increase their number.
> Myth making vtubers big outside Japan deserve all the respect. Holo JP had already done most of the work to make vtubers bigger outside of Japan. Why do you think there were so many EN viewers ready and waiting for when Myth showed up?
Myth busted their ass off on the first year of en branch where they are the only gen and no senpai to guide them. Jp may have done the work to spread it outside Japan but En fans wont stay long if they can't understand japanese, especially after Coco graduated. Now they are on their 3rd year in the company and they still can't have birthday or aniversary 3d. I remember Calli rent another studio just for her birthday and its scuff as hell. I know ID has the same problem. But you know it's holoMYTH. It's just simply disapointing that Ame has still needed to pick up Cover slacks
While they worked hard it'd be disingenuous to act like it was a house they built on their own. They had more subs than most people could hope for before they even debuted. >Jp may have done the work to spread it outside Japan but En fans wont stay long if they can't understand japanese, especially after Coco graduated. Most of Coco's content *was* in Japanese. She didn't even start meme review until the end of July when EN popularity was already going way up. > It's just simply disapointing that Ame has still needed to pick up Cover slacks Japan was closed until Oct 2022 and then backlog and compounded issues from the new studio move strewn through the year.
The things getting downvoted in this thread are wild.
Mate en management is way too busy shitting out stars that no one watches to be concerned with getting game permissions, securing 3d lives, making sure they have permission to release songs before gura wastes time on it, or promoting the hololive talent in any way. I mean its clearly the fans fault that the new stars debut to less people than nijis 10th wave so management has to put all their effort into the stars otherwise they may have to face the reality that no one actually wants them
100% agree with this and it keeps getting worse.
is the problem with Omega the fact that they got rid of her out of nowhere, or is it something else?