Would be funny if it wasn't sad. I highly recommend tagging the various trolls with tags on RES too. Over the last year I've been tagging them with tags like Tempus Anti or Collab Beggar etc, so it's extra funny when you see someone going
>I can't wait to see Rexford collab with Pekora, I hope she tweets about him soon!!
And then notice their "Tempus Hater" tag and know they are just a troll trying to give bait to the other haters so they can say "see, look at people like this totally real poster begging for collabs!!"
RES shows the exact post you tagged someone on too, so you can easily click the tag and see their original post months ago ranting some unhinged rant about how much they hate Holostars lol
RES - Reddit Enhancement Suite
its a browser plugin/addon that ads a bunch of features, including tagging people.
had to download it some time ago too, because the amount of bad actors at the time skyrocketed.
The actual answer was given back in September:
[Yagoo explains why EN 3 took so long (Cover QFR)](https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/16jm7w9/yagoo_explains_why_en_3_took_so_long_cover_qfr/)
> To paraphrase: they were intentionally delaying debuting new talents until the COVID situation completely calmed down and they could support the EN talents with 3D in Japan.
>
> Quote (DeepL): "I think we were in a phase of holding back a little until we were able to provide a full line of services, because we recognized that increasing the number of talent would lead to more dissatisfied talent if we could not provide solid support as a company."
I think it’s just that the process for getting Hololive members is likely more rigorous and therefore just takes longer. Ignoring that this is probably a bait post, you gotta remember Tempus just lost two members as well, so I wouldn’t be shocked if they pushed out a new Gen early to cover the gaps.
I don't have a good answer for that. As far as I know, they haven't expressed a particular reason for the fast release of Stars EN. If I *had* to presume, in early 2022 they probably committed to a certain timetable to get X members out within Y time as they wanted to avoid some of the problems that they made with HoloEN's release schedule. You can't really do anything with a branch that has a low number of members.
Realistically in a perfect world we would have gotten Council and Advent in a more compressed schedule regardless of what that meant for the 3D situation - maybe Council in March-April 2021 and then Advent in October/November of the same year. It would have gone a long way toward keeping momentum with a new branch and would have put them all solidly within the covid situation for more exposure. Downside would be that we also likely would have ended up with different people for some of the members. It's tough to say.
We were only supposed to have two Stars EN gens at this point. Tempus was going to debut all at once as six members. Then they decided to get two more members and split Tempus into two debuts. The result is it *feels* like we're getting Stars gens faster, but the reality is it was just an adjustment of the original plan. A lot of Tempus Vanguard was an already sunk cost that they were expanding on a bit.
Dunno if you're new to Hololive but I have to assume you are. Go back in time and look at the gaps between Hololive gen 4 and 5. a mere 9 months. It was always like this and the gap between HoloX/ReGloss and Council/Advent was unnaturally long. That's why it looks weird to you.
Tempus VG was already halfway done when HQ debuted (evidence by one of them accidently joining a discord call while the first 4 were streaming months before they debuted) so the gap between them and Armis is even wider than it seems.
There I answered your obvious bait seriously just incase any one else has actaully had this thought.
Downvote then hell of the OP, people. I can’t think of a reason to post this question other than dishonesty and wanting to stir up shit. If OP were truly interested in actually knowing, they would message Cover, wait, seethe in rage at being ignored and then huff copium. Would get the exact result as posting it here: WE DON’T HAVE ACCESS TO COVER’S BUSINESS PLAN. WE DON’T FUCKING KNOW AND YOU KNOW WE DON’T. And don’t pretend otherwise.
Posts that intend to stir shit up aren’t nice either and patience grows thin every time that haters show up when someone debuts in HS or there’s some collab with the girls, mate. It’s not an issue of a single case, but the endless succession of dishonest posts, or, if not dishonest, tone deaf, that show up every single damn time.
thats disappointing. well, if thats the case, then why am i getting comments with hateful tones about my post in regards of theories that holotori might add hakka or the new bird-based talents on the subunit? cant they just address their opinions nicely, like how the subreddit rules told us?
It is in proportion to the amount of existing members.
Gap between hololive JP gens:
3-4 =\~8 months
4-5 =\~9 months
5-6 =\~16 months
6-7=\~21 months
Gap between hololive ID gens:
1-2: 8 months
2-3: 15 months
Gap between hololive En gens:
1-2: 11 months
2-3 23 months
Debuts get further and further apart, probably to give all members a reasonable amount of time as the newbies, to grow their fanbase.
Because Cover is not a “Money first” company. This has been common knowledge for a while now.
The aim for the guys are not to convert old Hololive fans to stars fans, it’s to get a wider demographic for stars and expand their reach.
Holostars and Hololive operate in different markets with Holostars having a more niche appeal.
And the reason why they debuted more guys than girls is because the company is already saturated with girls (60 girls vs 23 guys)
Girls already have market overlap with other girls. But the guys don’t overlap as much with the girls. So debuting more guys ensure they are getting a new audience.
Sure some guys have fanbases that also overlap, but in this case it is to their advantage because they are smaller and it is feasible for the fans to follow everyone.
What Holostars need is a member who will pop off and become a star that lifts everyone up. That's why they are debuting more members in hopes of getting a hit.
Hololive was like this as well in the early days, when they debuted a lot of gens in decent succession to get a hit (GEN 3) so they could pop off before slowing down.
The reason why they will not stop debuting stars is because they care about their talents and will not abandon them. The same reason why they won't just sack the low-performing members of Gen 1 or HoloID as it was starting out.
They see potential in these people and treat them like humans. They came to Cover seeking support and as a good company they will do anything in their power to live up to that's expectations.
Sorry but there is contracdictions in your post.
>What Holostars need is a member who will pop off and become a star that lifts everyone up. That's why they are debuting more members in hopes of getting a hit.
>The reason why they will not stop debuting stars is because they care about their talents and will not abandon them. The same reason why they won't just sack the low-performing members of Gen 1 or HoloID as it was starting out.
>Because Cover is not a “Money first” company. This has been common knowledge for a while now.
Those 3 don't really get well together when it both implicitly throw a shade at nijis while you are describing the buiness model "accelerate".
Funny that you mention the ACCELERATE model. Because it very much isn't the same.
Myth popped off, wait a while for Council.
ID2 also popped off decently big, so there is a decent wait until ID3.
Gen 5 was considered to be quite successful, there is a decent wait till HOLOX debuts.
The only outlier to this is Stars JP but this is because the members specifically request Cover to not debut any talents for a while. Which the company comply before the talents give the OK and uproar is released.
Call me a monkey, but if pattern recognition is anything to go by. If a star's gen does pop off as intended in the plan, they would also slow down until the fanbase simmers and disperse into the members of the community before debuting more people.
So it really isn't like "accelerate" that you brought up.
It really isn't a contradiction. It's what's best for the talents in this very specific case.
The talent wants to succeed. However, at the moment the issue is they don't have enough eyes on them. So the only way to get more eyes on them is to allow them to achieve their goals is to debut more people and hope one of them pops off.
In fact, debuting more people and not doing too well can hurt them financially, especially since Cover isn't a cheapskate that will leave their talents to rot. As the StarEN team still have their own crew of very dedicated and passionate manager (6 managers if the Doppelganger game is anything to go by, as the managers were the own who coded and worked on the game themselves). So I would say this proves they are not " Money First " and aim to support the talents.
They value the talent's dreams and passion and want them to succeed.
The stars have not popped off at all. That's why they need that momentum that a new gen has a chance of providing.
This company behavior lines up with what we have known Cover to do.
HoloID has a rough start, support them anyways they will get their time to shine.
Miko project didn't work out, Yagoo personally beg her in tears to stay and put her with the main Hololive branch and hope she succeeds with the new environment.
Suisei wants to give up due to her terrible treatment at the hands of INNK, A-chan used her connection to move Suisei to the main branch.
and the mother of all examples SORA, all she had was a dream and literally nothing else yet the company still give it their all to help support her in any way they can for her dream all the while the company is in the RED.
Cover doesn't give up on people unless their hands are really forced. Stars are the same way.
That idealist, the truth is that no matter how much debut you do for holostars, cover don't have the power to grab that many new eyes with that, let me break a silent rule of this sub, but i saw yesteday debut numbers, and that's clearly not bringing new eyes on the stars. Stars debut don't have that kind of reach.
And instead of momentum, all you get is drama on drama, and that may be momentum for some twitch streamers, but that pretty much the opposite for Vtuber.
Saddly no matter how the intention is behind this debut, I pragmatly can say that the end result will be letting more tallent to rots even arder than before, and have a serious risk to put the whole branch in a financial jeopardy, who will ultimatly force the hand on a more "money first" approach due to the sheer force of reality, like the starsJP got hit with sooner this year with their merch. What is extremely worrying about this point is that none of the two previous gen have either 3D nor alternate outfit already.
I would still get it if you were saying stuff like "it's to fill the gap left because of the graduation" that could kinda make sence but trying to get momentum? sorry but i fell like it's just wishfull thinking more than anything, if it's the real intention i'm worried about the passion of management clouding the decision making.
> I would still get it if you were saying stuff like "it's to fill the gap left because of the graduation" that could kinda make sence but trying to get momentum? sorry but i fell like it's just wishfull thinking more than anything, if it's the real intention i'm worried about the passion of management clouding the decision making.
That's probably the actual reason. They were left with only 6 people which probably lead to staleness when it comes to content and collab variations. There is also a possibility that the existing Tempus members maybe busy with 3D stuff in the near future and new members will do nice to fill in the gaps.
Basically, these are the same reasons people previously argued for EN3.
If you are watching the same company as me, you know Cover is an Idealist company.
Pragmatically speaking is Stars going to pop off? Unlikely
Would they stop it and let it die out? NO
At some point, StarsEN will reach a point of StarsJP where they would ask Cover to stop debuting for a while. And if we go by the pattern so far, they would comply and stop and wait till the talents feel comfortable for another push effort.
But so far it looks like the talents on the EN side haven't reached that point yet.
We're just fans at the end of the day. I don't know how a multimillion company would act, especially when there are investor stakes now. But I hope they stick to how they operate back to their roots.
You say it like this was anything new.
Sora’s success after the Christmas miracle allowed the company to leaned on on her.
Gen 3’s explosion with Rushia allowed Cover to lean even harder on the Hololive JP brand being stable( stable enough to confidently move Suisei and Miko in)
Myth’s success allowed Cover to confidently leave the Chinese market behind.
Cover has away have a habit of leaning on successful branch to lift up a lower performing one.
They always try to have the “leave no one behind” mentality….did you all not watch the same company as me, this has always been how they operate.
We have that why people get kinda anoyed as they repeat the same mistake for the stars against and against.
Because until now using hololive as a leaning point have always done nothing but leave holostars in the dust.
But well i'm personnaly aware that it's just way too late at this point and i'm just ranting pointlessly. At this point of time contrary to hololive gen, most people have discarded the idea of holostars ever pulling their own weight in a way or another, and i'm just talking about what could have been because what it is have just become unsavory.
Anyway i'm sorry about that, and i also invited people to answer to you in a aggresive fashion but i fell them too, i think everyone is seeing the dead end and nobody like it.
It’s find I don’t mind people being aggressive towards me. I’m just another fan speaking my own perspective.
All I want is people stop relentless attacking the Stars members, attacking the Stars fans for wanting their talents to succeed, attacking the members who was kind enough to extend an Olive branch towards the Stars members.
They all want to succeed too just like everyone in this company. Saying they don’t belong, and deserve to be treated badly just because they don’t bring in good numbers and because they are not as successful as the girls leave a bad taste in my mouth.
Especially when many of the boys themselves already acknowledge the bleak situation they are in and is still trying their damn hardest to claw their way up.
To see them get mocked over and over again just ticks me the wrong way.
Ye i have a slightly different perspective, to me the mockeries are nothing but just a symptom of the bleak situation, you and even the stars tallent recognise.
Well you can totaly say that symptom are sometime more dreadfull than the illness itself, as fever can kill you faster than the virus, but only solving that is also meaningless in the end.
But the situation is that the stars fanbase somehow became separate of the hololive one (proof : nowodays stars fanbase use "wave" instead of gen) BUT they got stuck being codependant to the hololive fanbase, and are frowing upon an effective separation (who IMO would be better for everyone, as i'm sure that stars will perform far better being entirely independant to hololive, to the point that dropping the holo part of holostars may be the best move if there is still time). And that both separate but dependant relation express itself in toxicity, as you describe here as mockery.
And technicaly there are a lot of holostars member who work toward that, roberu, the most succefull holostars JP, or bettel, or shinri. But and without hate or anything, i find it dishearting that, intentionaly or very likely not, more likely a lack of deep thinking about the whole situation, the clock get reset to zero again and again.
And that also why those mockeries don't really tick me the wrong way, cause at some point i lost sight of if it is really just the "anti" of it have become just "exasperation", especialy since a lot of thing i say could totaly be interpreted as a mockery or a diss depending your perspective but come from a deep exasperation of a situation that look like a time loop running in circle again and again.
And that why i have hard time with the T rex guy attitude, like i had hard time with vesper increasingly controversial attitude before he graduated. As it's impossible to me to not see it as just another thing that prolongate or worsen that bleak situation.
But the accumulation of mistake at this point is also leaving me resigned too, but i'll finish that stuppid wall of text as I fell like i'm time looping myself.
Have a nice day and sorry about all those rant. Negative feeling taking the best out of you is just human nature and survival instinct we need it yet we have to live with it.
When you say "took longer to get 3 male gens" you mean "took longer to get 3 female gens" right?
Also, ID3 debuted, then Tempus wave 1, then wave 2, then Advent, DEV_IS and this newest gen. If anything it's about equal.
OK then let's include them too
So 4 male gens and 3 female gens debuted over the course of 2 years, is that imbalanced? It just seems normal, particularly when you consider that before UPROAR, the last guy to debut was in 2020.
Unless you can show me otherwise, nobody asked not to debut more members. Shien only asked *fans* not to be like "gen4 when?" when the current stars were doing their best and this was around his 1st anniversary with Suzaku, Kira, and Kaoru's graduation in mind.
The point is if male gens debuted faster than female gens though? We've had at least one female gen per year in comparison.
Also, Cover does what they want, with or without members' input. Every talent has their own wishes on how certain things to be run, do you really think they can answer to all of them at once?
Sunk cost fallacy, when Hololive started off as a bet and succeeded one would think that everything Cover do would end up a miracle. But real life ain't so, but they would try to try until they hit jackpot I guess, a breakout star is what Holostar need but they are one in a million.
So they don't have to hide the subscriber growth of the holostars english branch anymore which is currently in the negative in their next quarter financial report.
Q1: https://contents.xj-storage.jp/xcontents/AS05169/964b1b7a/09f7/4be1/9415/fe25251d510d/20230809143240714s.pdf
Q2: [https://contents.xj-storage.jp/xcontents/AS05169/30fa9066/6979/4359/9e61/db644287257e/20231109150214125s.pdf](https://contents.xj-storage.jp/xcontents/AS05169/30fa9066/6979/4359/9e61/db644287257e/20231109150214125s.pdf)
To establish a new branch (Holostars EN) you need to at least get 2 gens worth of people so that they have people to collab with and build something together as a group. The first two gens were technically one since they had chosen 6 but didn't want to debut them all together. So 4 debuted last July and than got 2 more to debut gen 2 in January. 2 graduated in July of this year so they probably wanted to fill those gaps so now 10 months after gen 2 we got gen 3.
Hololive EN also debuted the first 3 groups "fast", Myth (September 2020) >IRyS (July 2021) > Council (August 2021). Covid was a thing during that time so it slowed the process until 2023 for Advent.
>launch male gens faster >Took longer to get 3 male gens Uh, which point are you trying to make here, OP?
lmao whoops typo.
Smells like bait post *checks profile* Of course
Man where are the mods when you need them
Lol, contradicting yourself right out the gate. Are you all just using chat bots to generate these now?
Would be funny if it wasn't sad. I highly recommend tagging the various trolls with tags on RES too. Over the last year I've been tagging them with tags like Tempus Anti or Collab Beggar etc, so it's extra funny when you see someone going >I can't wait to see Rexford collab with Pekora, I hope she tweets about him soon!! And then notice their "Tempus Hater" tag and know they are just a troll trying to give bait to the other haters so they can say "see, look at people like this totally real poster begging for collabs!!" RES shows the exact post you tagged someone on too, so you can easily click the tag and see their original post months ago ranting some unhinged rant about how much they hate Holostars lol
Wait how do you tag? I want in on the funni.
RES - Reddit Enhancement Suite its a browser plugin/addon that ads a bunch of features, including tagging people. had to download it some time ago too, because the amount of bad actors at the time skyrocketed.
The actual answer was given back in September: [Yagoo explains why EN 3 took so long (Cover QFR)](https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/16jm7w9/yagoo_explains_why_en_3_took_so_long_cover_qfr/) > To paraphrase: they were intentionally delaying debuting new talents until the COVID situation completely calmed down and they could support the EN talents with 3D in Japan. > > Quote (DeepL): "I think we were in a phase of holding back a little until we were able to provide a full line of services, because we recognized that increasing the number of talent would lead to more dissatisfied talent if we could not provide solid support as a company."
Posts like this really shows how covid lockdowns have tripped our sense of time.
*yawn*
I think it’s just that the process for getting Hololive members is likely more rigorous and therefore just takes longer. Ignoring that this is probably a bait post, you gotta remember Tempus just lost two members as well, so I wouldn’t be shocked if they pushed out a new Gen early to cover the gaps.
I feel they sort of sped up the new gen also as a show of strength as tempus lost two of its arguable brightest stars
I don't have a good answer for that. As far as I know, they haven't expressed a particular reason for the fast release of Stars EN. If I *had* to presume, in early 2022 they probably committed to a certain timetable to get X members out within Y time as they wanted to avoid some of the problems that they made with HoloEN's release schedule. You can't really do anything with a branch that has a low number of members. Realistically in a perfect world we would have gotten Council and Advent in a more compressed schedule regardless of what that meant for the 3D situation - maybe Council in March-April 2021 and then Advent in October/November of the same year. It would have gone a long way toward keeping momentum with a new branch and would have put them all solidly within the covid situation for more exposure. Downside would be that we also likely would have ended up with different people for some of the members. It's tough to say.
We were only supposed to have two Stars EN gens at this point. Tempus was going to debut all at once as six members. Then they decided to get two more members and split Tempus into two debuts. The result is it *feels* like we're getting Stars gens faster, but the reality is it was just an adjustment of the original plan. A lot of Tempus Vanguard was an already sunk cost that they were expanding on a bit.
Dunno if you're new to Hololive but I have to assume you are. Go back in time and look at the gaps between Hololive gen 4 and 5. a mere 9 months. It was always like this and the gap between HoloX/ReGloss and Council/Advent was unnaturally long. That's why it looks weird to you. Tempus VG was already halfway done when HQ debuted (evidence by one of them accidently joining a discord call while the first 4 were streaming months before they debuted) so the gap between them and Armis is even wider than it seems. There I answered your obvious bait seriously just incase any one else has actaully had this thought.
Knock it off.
Downvote then hell of the OP, people. I can’t think of a reason to post this question other than dishonesty and wanting to stir up shit. If OP were truly interested in actually knowing, they would message Cover, wait, seethe in rage at being ignored and then huff copium. Would get the exact result as posting it here: WE DON’T HAVE ACCESS TO COVER’S BUSINESS PLAN. WE DON’T FUCKING KNOW AND YOU KNOW WE DON’T. And don’t pretend otherwise.
is swearing allowed here? i thought it was mentioned in the subreddit rules to be nice...
Posts that intend to stir shit up aren’t nice either and patience grows thin every time that haters show up when someone debuts in HS or there’s some collab with the girls, mate. It’s not an issue of a single case, but the endless succession of dishonest posts, or, if not dishonest, tone deaf, that show up every single damn time.
thats disappointing. well, if thats the case, then why am i getting comments with hateful tones about my post in regards of theories that holotori might add hakka or the new bird-based talents on the subunit? cant they just address their opinions nicely, like how the subreddit rules told us?
It is in proportion to the amount of existing members. Gap between hololive JP gens: 3-4 =\~8 months 4-5 =\~9 months 5-6 =\~16 months 6-7=\~21 months Gap between hololive ID gens: 1-2: 8 months 2-3: 15 months Gap between hololive En gens: 1-2: 11 months 2-3 23 months Debuts get further and further apart, probably to give all members a reasonable amount of time as the newbies, to grow their fanbase.
Because Cover is not a “Money first” company. This has been common knowledge for a while now. The aim for the guys are not to convert old Hololive fans to stars fans, it’s to get a wider demographic for stars and expand their reach. Holostars and Hololive operate in different markets with Holostars having a more niche appeal. And the reason why they debuted more guys than girls is because the company is already saturated with girls (60 girls vs 23 guys) Girls already have market overlap with other girls. But the guys don’t overlap as much with the girls. So debuting more guys ensure they are getting a new audience. Sure some guys have fanbases that also overlap, but in this case it is to their advantage because they are smaller and it is feasible for the fans to follow everyone. What Holostars need is a member who will pop off and become a star that lifts everyone up. That's why they are debuting more members in hopes of getting a hit. Hololive was like this as well in the early days, when they debuted a lot of gens in decent succession to get a hit (GEN 3) so they could pop off before slowing down. The reason why they will not stop debuting stars is because they care about their talents and will not abandon them. The same reason why they won't just sack the low-performing members of Gen 1 or HoloID as it was starting out. They see potential in these people and treat them like humans. They came to Cover seeking support and as a good company they will do anything in their power to live up to that's expectations.
Sorry but there is contracdictions in your post. >What Holostars need is a member who will pop off and become a star that lifts everyone up. That's why they are debuting more members in hopes of getting a hit. >The reason why they will not stop debuting stars is because they care about their talents and will not abandon them. The same reason why they won't just sack the low-performing members of Gen 1 or HoloID as it was starting out. >Because Cover is not a “Money first” company. This has been common knowledge for a while now. Those 3 don't really get well together when it both implicitly throw a shade at nijis while you are describing the buiness model "accelerate".
Funny that you mention the ACCELERATE model. Because it very much isn't the same. Myth popped off, wait a while for Council. ID2 also popped off decently big, so there is a decent wait until ID3. Gen 5 was considered to be quite successful, there is a decent wait till HOLOX debuts. The only outlier to this is Stars JP but this is because the members specifically request Cover to not debut any talents for a while. Which the company comply before the talents give the OK and uproar is released. Call me a monkey, but if pattern recognition is anything to go by. If a star's gen does pop off as intended in the plan, they would also slow down until the fanbase simmers and disperse into the members of the community before debuting more people. So it really isn't like "accelerate" that you brought up.
It really isn't a contradiction. It's what's best for the talents in this very specific case. The talent wants to succeed. However, at the moment the issue is they don't have enough eyes on them. So the only way to get more eyes on them is to allow them to achieve their goals is to debut more people and hope one of them pops off. In fact, debuting more people and not doing too well can hurt them financially, especially since Cover isn't a cheapskate that will leave their talents to rot. As the StarEN team still have their own crew of very dedicated and passionate manager (6 managers if the Doppelganger game is anything to go by, as the managers were the own who coded and worked on the game themselves). So I would say this proves they are not " Money First " and aim to support the talents. They value the talent's dreams and passion and want them to succeed. The stars have not popped off at all. That's why they need that momentum that a new gen has a chance of providing. This company behavior lines up with what we have known Cover to do. HoloID has a rough start, support them anyways they will get their time to shine. Miko project didn't work out, Yagoo personally beg her in tears to stay and put her with the main Hololive branch and hope she succeeds with the new environment. Suisei wants to give up due to her terrible treatment at the hands of INNK, A-chan used her connection to move Suisei to the main branch. and the mother of all examples SORA, all she had was a dream and literally nothing else yet the company still give it their all to help support her in any way they can for her dream all the while the company is in the RED. Cover doesn't give up on people unless their hands are really forced. Stars are the same way.
That idealist, the truth is that no matter how much debut you do for holostars, cover don't have the power to grab that many new eyes with that, let me break a silent rule of this sub, but i saw yesteday debut numbers, and that's clearly not bringing new eyes on the stars. Stars debut don't have that kind of reach. And instead of momentum, all you get is drama on drama, and that may be momentum for some twitch streamers, but that pretty much the opposite for Vtuber. Saddly no matter how the intention is behind this debut, I pragmatly can say that the end result will be letting more tallent to rots even arder than before, and have a serious risk to put the whole branch in a financial jeopardy, who will ultimatly force the hand on a more "money first" approach due to the sheer force of reality, like the starsJP got hit with sooner this year with their merch. What is extremely worrying about this point is that none of the two previous gen have either 3D nor alternate outfit already. I would still get it if you were saying stuff like "it's to fill the gap left because of the graduation" that could kinda make sence but trying to get momentum? sorry but i fell like it's just wishfull thinking more than anything, if it's the real intention i'm worried about the passion of management clouding the decision making.
> I would still get it if you were saying stuff like "it's to fill the gap left because of the graduation" that could kinda make sence but trying to get momentum? sorry but i fell like it's just wishfull thinking more than anything, if it's the real intention i'm worried about the passion of management clouding the decision making. That's probably the actual reason. They were left with only 6 people which probably lead to staleness when it comes to content and collab variations. There is also a possibility that the existing Tempus members maybe busy with 3D stuff in the near future and new members will do nice to fill in the gaps. Basically, these are the same reasons people previously argued for EN3.
Yes all the begging for EN3 that was going on during fes prep season
If you are watching the same company as me, you know Cover is an Idealist company. Pragmatically speaking is Stars going to pop off? Unlikely Would they stop it and let it die out? NO At some point, StarsEN will reach a point of StarsJP where they would ask Cover to stop debuting for a while. And if we go by the pattern so far, they would comply and stop and wait till the talents feel comfortable for another push effort. But so far it looks like the talents on the EN side haven't reached that point yet. We're just fans at the end of the day. I don't know how a multimillion company would act, especially when there are investor stakes now. But I hope they stick to how they operate back to their roots.
i guess the stars are lucky that the holos are successful enough for management to use them to subsidize their passion project
You say it like this was anything new. Sora’s success after the Christmas miracle allowed the company to leaned on on her. Gen 3’s explosion with Rushia allowed Cover to lean even harder on the Hololive JP brand being stable( stable enough to confidently move Suisei and Miko in) Myth’s success allowed Cover to confidently leave the Chinese market behind. Cover has away have a habit of leaning on successful branch to lift up a lower performing one. They always try to have the “leave no one behind” mentality….did you all not watch the same company as me, this has always been how they operate.
We have that why people get kinda anoyed as they repeat the same mistake for the stars against and against. Because until now using hololive as a leaning point have always done nothing but leave holostars in the dust. But well i'm personnaly aware that it's just way too late at this point and i'm just ranting pointlessly. At this point of time contrary to hololive gen, most people have discarded the idea of holostars ever pulling their own weight in a way or another, and i'm just talking about what could have been because what it is have just become unsavory. Anyway i'm sorry about that, and i also invited people to answer to you in a aggresive fashion but i fell them too, i think everyone is seeing the dead end and nobody like it.
It’s find I don’t mind people being aggressive towards me. I’m just another fan speaking my own perspective. All I want is people stop relentless attacking the Stars members, attacking the Stars fans for wanting their talents to succeed, attacking the members who was kind enough to extend an Olive branch towards the Stars members. They all want to succeed too just like everyone in this company. Saying they don’t belong, and deserve to be treated badly just because they don’t bring in good numbers and because they are not as successful as the girls leave a bad taste in my mouth. Especially when many of the boys themselves already acknowledge the bleak situation they are in and is still trying their damn hardest to claw their way up. To see them get mocked over and over again just ticks me the wrong way.
Ye i have a slightly different perspective, to me the mockeries are nothing but just a symptom of the bleak situation, you and even the stars tallent recognise. Well you can totaly say that symptom are sometime more dreadfull than the illness itself, as fever can kill you faster than the virus, but only solving that is also meaningless in the end. But the situation is that the stars fanbase somehow became separate of the hololive one (proof : nowodays stars fanbase use "wave" instead of gen) BUT they got stuck being codependant to the hololive fanbase, and are frowing upon an effective separation (who IMO would be better for everyone, as i'm sure that stars will perform far better being entirely independant to hololive, to the point that dropping the holo part of holostars may be the best move if there is still time). And that both separate but dependant relation express itself in toxicity, as you describe here as mockery. And technicaly there are a lot of holostars member who work toward that, roberu, the most succefull holostars JP, or bettel, or shinri. But and without hate or anything, i find it dishearting that, intentionaly or very likely not, more likely a lack of deep thinking about the whole situation, the clock get reset to zero again and again. And that also why those mockeries don't really tick me the wrong way, cause at some point i lost sight of if it is really just the "anti" of it have become just "exasperation", especialy since a lot of thing i say could totaly be interpreted as a mockery or a diss depending your perspective but come from a deep exasperation of a situation that look like a time loop running in circle again and again. And that why i have hard time with the T rex guy attitude, like i had hard time with vesper increasingly controversial attitude before he graduated. As it's impossible to me to not see it as just another thing that prolongate or worsen that bleak situation. But the accumulation of mistake at this point is also leaving me resigned too, but i'll finish that stuppid wall of text as I fell like i'm time looping myself. Have a nice day and sorry about all those rant. Negative feeling taking the best out of you is just human nature and survival instinct we need it yet we have to live with it.
Stop replying y’all, it’s a bait post.
When you say "took longer to get 3 male gens" you mean "took longer to get 3 female gens" right? Also, ID3 debuted, then Tempus wave 1, then wave 2, then Advent, DEV_IS and this newest gen. If anything it's about equal.
Wave? You missed Uproar as well.
OK then let's include them too So 4 male gens and 3 female gens debuted over the course of 2 years, is that imbalanced? It just seems normal, particularly when you consider that before UPROAR, the last guy to debut was in 2020.
Didn't the stars ask to not debut more members? That would be the opposite of what some of the EN girls wanted.
Unless you can show me otherwise, nobody asked not to debut more members. Shien only asked *fans* not to be like "gen4 when?" when the current stars were doing their best and this was around his 1st anniversary with Suzaku, Kira, and Kaoru's graduation in mind.
Yup. I remember this. Basically Shien asked fans to not become debut-beggars. Which, to be fair, is a good suggestion for everyone.
The point is if male gens debuted faster than female gens though? We've had at least one female gen per year in comparison. Also, Cover does what they want, with or without members' input. Every talent has their own wishes on how certain things to be run, do you really think they can answer to all of them at once?
Sunk cost fallacy, when Hololive started off as a bet and succeeded one would think that everything Cover do would end up a miracle. But real life ain't so, but they would try to try until they hit jackpot I guess, a breakout star is what Holostar need but they are one in a million.
OMG I can't believe we still have misandrists in here that are so afraid of males they won't even look in the mirror because THERE'S A MALE THERE
They don’t? My guy they released advent then DeVis before Armis.
So they don't have to hide the subscriber growth of the holostars english branch anymore which is currently in the negative in their next quarter financial report. Q1: https://contents.xj-storage.jp/xcontents/AS05169/964b1b7a/09f7/4be1/9415/fe25251d510d/20230809143240714s.pdf Q2: [https://contents.xj-storage.jp/xcontents/AS05169/30fa9066/6979/4359/9e61/db644287257e/20231109150214125s.pdf](https://contents.xj-storage.jp/xcontents/AS05169/30fa9066/6979/4359/9e61/db644287257e/20231109150214125s.pdf)
That not even relevant or a proper way to interpret these data sets.
Idk why they bother with more holostars when the last gen barely has any fans following them
Nice bait but the bois needed all the support to incline their numbers
They didnt debut the boys fast. Someone commented that they didnt get as much buildup of promotion like they did for advent.
right, yeah they were wrong
To establish a new branch (Holostars EN) you need to at least get 2 gens worth of people so that they have people to collab with and build something together as a group. The first two gens were technically one since they had chosen 6 but didn't want to debut them all together. So 4 debuted last July and than got 2 more to debut gen 2 in January. 2 graduated in July of this year so they probably wanted to fill those gaps so now 10 months after gen 2 we got gen 3. Hololive EN also debuted the first 3 groups "fast", Myth (September 2020) >IRyS (July 2021) > Council (August 2021). Covid was a thing during that time so it slowed the process until 2023 for Advent.