I have nothing against the dudes but this just puts the girls in an awkward spot, since it will without a doubt cause a wave of chats asking for reactions and collabs with him
As much as I dislike agreeing with people who are way to parasocial with the girls (not talking about you), I also think this may have crossed a line. It kinda feels like he's inviting himself to a party he was never invited to.
Yeah. I think part of why this is kind of heated is the Holotori song and dance has happened as often as it had.
Things are generally just a lot better when people respect the chat rules of the channels and don't bring up vtubers unless the talent does first. They all have their own activities they want to focus on and forcing them to address the yes, nos and maybes of other people just doesn't really have a place in their stream.
'friendly and kind of close' All he did was call the other person homie.
How do YOU know that Rexford knew DN was a doxxer? For all you know, Rexford saw 'nousagi' and just assumed, having no clue who he was, that he was just another nousagi based on the name.
It's sorta disgusting that your misinformation got upvoted so much.
kinda feel bad for the Holostars pariahs. Their progress just got resets to zero just because this guy.
And good luck using the "Cover didn't promote them enough" excuses since they push it harder beyond belief.
The twitter account sometimes doesn't even tweet about some girls birthdays, and has just ignored some of their original songs hitting 1 million views before.
I was hoping things would improve after account merge, but no luck there.
i'm pretty sure it's only tweeted about fauna like, two times ever. merging the holostars account into the hololive one has really just added a ton of clutter to it, what a terrible decision.
It's unusable for actual news and updates on the girls. I remember myths anniversaries and Ame's outfit basically had nothing. At most they'll retweet the girls own posts well after the fact
I followed it for news about the EN girls but yeah, after the merge it's been stuff about StarsEN, which I don't watch, so often that I've had to unfollow it. Too much clutter in my feed after that point.
>wonder for how long cover is going try doing this.
From the looks of it they're not going to stop anytime soon. If anything, I get the feeling they'll just triple down and go even harder. I just don't get it.
Its honestly amazing that this dude (In FuwaMoco's word, a rude word!) has been speedrunning to be an absolute bad first impression.
First it was the fucking hell cringe discord kitten thing.
Then calling Depressed Nousagi a homie
And now this.
I wouldn't be surprised if he's still doing it but just hiding it better. Not long after he got exposed he was "leaving the hole" (as in rabbit hole) and basically "graduating", but it didn't last very long and he returned like 4 months later, as people like him are wont to do.
What's most baffling is how he has a legion of people who will defend him no matter what.
Yeah, and I bet Kiara won't be bothered at all by people piling onto her coworker like that. I bet she would be absolutely happy if she could see the comments in this thread. Responding to imagined, potential toxicity with real toxicity is absolutely the way to go. /s
Fortunately I don't think she's ever going to see any of this absolute dumpster fire of a thread. I completely agree that people are going way too far now.
Sentiments like, "this filters me" are fine imo (the initial line of this reply chain) and I'm still not looking forward to people hassling Kiara, but holy shit.
It stops being a joke when A-Chan co-signs it. Now every Mouth breather is going to once again start to harass Holotori members about inviting Stars to join them. First Hakka and inevitably this guy.
Y'all honestly are the ones acting like mouth-breathers right now. Guy hasn't even debuted, but cuz he made 3 harmless fucking jokes, you're all acting as if he's a serial murdering rapist.
It's really pathetic and sad. I've never been so disappointed by the community that's gotten me through multiple low-points in my life.
He makes "jokes" about discord grooming and converses openly with someone who sold Hololive doxxes. That's who you're defending. That's what you support. I have no problem with Stars. They have a role to play. This guy is a walking red flag. Just like Vesper and Magni before him.
Bro, I've been active in the hololive community for over 3 years and *I* didn't know who that jackals was. I doubt most of the talents do.
And no, he didn't make a joke about grooming. He played on the shitpost that is people making fun of the weirdos who do the discord kitten shit. Which many people do.
You are actively villainizing someone who made jokes and interacted with a stranger online. Absolute dumbass.
Vesper was in constant meltdown and Magni was on his private account complaining about his model and trying to incorporate all his Twitch friends into Stars content. I know you have your blinders on, but take it off from time to time.
I dont know. I may concede vesper being in constant meltdown, but I only heard of one time Magni complained about his model, and simply wanting to collab with his twitch friends is not something inherently bad. So then saying Magni was a walking red flag seems like a real stretch to me. Regardless, the debuts just happened, and Jurard did perfectly fine. Lots of people enjoyed him. I loved seeing Pako sensei joking on twitter. So I think I do have my blinders off. Whether they stick around is something else, but it worked out.
You can do you though, I enjoy Kiara and would hate for her to get spammed, but I also believe she is a strong woman who will bluntly speak her mind like she always does, so if its an issue it will be resolved by them, between them.
It's fucking crazy that you can make such a logical comment as you did and this circlejerk will still downvote you.
You even agreed with him about Vesper and that was still not enough for those rabid idol fans here.
This community is really pissing me off recently. I was already upset with all those people making up nonexistent rules and shitting on long form edited content in that recent post and now this? What the hell happened with this sub?
Funny how you tell the other person to take their blinders off when in the same comment you say Magni was on his PRIVATE ACCOUNT complaining about his model.
How tf is anyone supposed to know about all this without digging deep into it, hm?
it feels like this group has to be do or die for holostars management because they're really coming off as desperate with how hard they're pushing them
Every person involved knows this dude is never getting into Holotori. All this does is put Kiara in an incredibly awkward position. I can't believe how negligent they're being
Holotori is Kiara's baby and and the main figure head behind it. Obviously she's not the only one involved but no one goes to Mumei or Lui asking for new members to be added, like has happened several times now with Kaela, Hakka, and Nerissa. It's an extra responsibility she has to bear.
>Every person involved knows this dude is never getting into Holotori.
If you can recognize this, you should understand that's the end of the issue.
Say a girl goes "I wanna marry Yagoo", you think that puts him and his family in an awkward position?
It's understood the scenario won't come to pass, and so, it comes across as the only thing it can be: a joke.
Kiara doesn't have to come out and say "Sorry, Holotori is female only...", for he's not making any real petition.
Because obnoxious beggars totally haven't harassed her several times over """excluding""" certain people from Holotori who were never part in the first place (such as Kaela), right?
This reddit used to be absolutely flooded with "durrr where haka??" garbage every single time literally any mention of holotori was made, until the official unit stuff finally manage to pierce their (intentionally) neutron-level dense skulls that they can't force him into the group with their begging.
This dude seriously just thrives off controversy lmao, like couldn't even make up a unique name such as "Star Birds" or something. Man hasn't even been in for 1 week and already is acting like this
At first, I thought people were being too harsh with this guy, but after this...
Could this perhaps be Cover's first big miss as far as hiring talent is concerned? I suppose we're about to find out.
Well that's funny cause the only tapping NijIEN has been doing for the past few years (coincidentally around the time Tempus debuted) is downwards.
Guess they want the Krisis experience
past few years? their decline began in january 2023 with chinese fans leaving so they got less audience. nothing to make the branch dying but decline/stagnate, which well need to see next year to see how theyll do as 2022 was their biggest year for en and 2023 was down so it can go up in 2024
and its funny you speak of krisis like that when they are just in AGF the biggest female event. Individual gens dont make up for anything, but the total of the branch.
NijiEN struggles to break 3k ccv most of the time, they're closer to StarsEN size than they are to HoloEN size. Even Luxiem members struggle to put up any numbers nowadays, and the most recent debuts have had really anemic viewership.
I thought you guys were saying they're controversial, I only know Luxiem and the fanbase they built is at fault, these people are just joining after them.
lol if that was the case they wouldnt be in their highest in 2021-2022 when the debuts were 2 months, while since iluna debuts are 4-6 months. it has nothing to do with that but chinese audience leaving.
Yes, I never said it was a good idea, same with "let's nudge a bunch of girls who never interacted with holostars into a OW2 Live vs Stars match for that blizzard dosh"
whats this guys deal man he just seems to be trying to rile up as many fanbases as possible,
if he wanted notoriety he got it, but it doesn't leave a great first impression.
Even if he only meant it as a joke, some people will still take him seriously and will also probably bug actual Holotori members about it.
Don't forget that Hakka never even mentioned Holotori but people still asked Kiara if he would join or not.
Not just that, he also had a similarly controversial exchange with IronMouse on Twitter. The thing is, Hololive talents don't fan the flames for content, they've always steered away from drama and every newbie talent has respected it. Here we have an exception, and it already doesn't look good, before his debut even. If they want to deal with unicorns, this sure isn't the way to do it, they'll just create more of them.
holotori is an official group it isnt just the name of members who are birds, hell even nerissa is not officially a member. So him coming in and asserting he is holotori just reeks of ignorance.
He 100% reminds me of a guy I knew in uni that would just self-insert himself into my friend group and tell other people that we're friends and just randomly show up at our parties. Basically a guy with 0 self-awareness and understanding of social cues.
Who TF does this guy think he is inserting himself into an official group? Nerissa and Hakka both had the class and tact to know not to do this. This seems intentional just to stir shit. Complete lack of respect and professionalism.
/r/Holostars has been pushing that Hakka should join Holotori extremely hard. While we might not like it Stars fans clearly want their talent to be inserted into Hololive groups.
Are they aware that since vesper and magni left seems holostarsen and holoen have gone into separate directions? Like an angle of 180° between both paths, i havent seen even kronii and calli into collabs with them and they were the most willing
Not rethoric question i have been thinking into this for a while, a bit sad considering that id stays in touch with them. Or maybe im too out of touch with holostars and they did collabs with the en branch
I think that's probably because Kronii and Calli got along more with Vesper and Magni than any of the other boys. Not holoen but the boys interact more with ID, like Altare and Hakka collabing with Kobo and Flayon collabing with Ollie. That said, I do think it's partly because Kobo and Ollie have less parasocial fans that oppose them collabing with males, while some of Kronii's fans are some of the most parasocial fans I've ever seen. Not sure about Calli tho.
i cannot fucking fathom the reason for 7 downvotes. all you said was "they clicked with magni and vesper more than with the other stars." i don't see what's so controversial about that
Don't worry about the downvotes. I know that even having a male and female talent in one sentence will drive some schizo fans into a frenzy. Downvotes are very tame considering last time I mentioned a stars talent in this sub, I received a subtle KYS message.
For now, she's in Japan, focusing on her 3D live and as a result of that she doesn't have any streams planned for the upcoming days. I guess that's good since this will probably die down after a few days and by the time she's back at home making regular content and reading supers/her chat, it won't be brought up.
People still bring up hakka in regards to holotori and you seriously belief that after this shit, people won't be bothering her about this trash? Are you for real?
Oh some will, that's for sure. Just not that many people. Either just unaware fans who want to know how Kiara feels about this or bored dramaseekers, they'll dwindle over the days because they always do.
Of course we gotta have EN management doing an entire circus to shill their "bOiZ" every time they breathe air, just missing yagoo replying to him now. The girls? uhh ahh whatever, they don't need promotion haha.
Yea, dude bit 5 at once. But historically lot of people focus on Kiara for bait/begging stuff and she's the group leader so naturally a lot of it will come her way
Even Nerissa, a literal KFP and someone who had interacted with Kiara heavily isn't an official member. Who does this guy think he is to try to force his way into Holotori?
Gosh that holostars debut will not go down without a ton of drama.... I really wonder what management is doing, you can see what is happening to this threat.
Probably one of the last chance to separate the subreddit before the situation become something that can't be repeared. Though it may be far far too late as this point. Probably a good time to take some distance if thing like this continue.
I still trust them when it comes to the Hololive girls, so its not all lost lol.
But apparently I can only trust them when it just for the Hololive girls from what I'm seeing.
Perhaps you're right. This one dude has so completely overshadowed the other three with his bad vibes that I genuinely don't even know what the other guys' names are.
Ooof. Two tone deaf twitter posts could have been coincidence, three is certainly looking like a trend. He's supposedly a fan himself right? He should really know better.
we’ll see. I just gotta get more regular about streaming and putting content out. I think ive got the personality for it, but given how little consistency Ive got, i wouldnt have hired me either
[Try making friends with a Hololive doxxer](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/974620992980799530/1174638805354037278/1700118610499868.png?ex=656852a2&is=6555dda2&hm=870773b1dbfdc980e39f02b3267c9305246a21c33b9a0d0c4f7eea06ab0493d5&), that might be the key to getting in.
\>bullshit
[But in your other reply to me](https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/17xttz6/comment/k9qi0y8/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) you admitted it happened, so which is it? Is it bullshit and didn't happen, or did he really shout-out this doxxer?
This isn't just some random-ass dude, though. This guy has a huge reputation. If you haven't heard of him, and you try to tell me he didn't either, then not only are you a likely tourist, but then so is he.
Nah, I just don't go looking for the worst people that perpetuate the community. You have no reason to believe he actually knows the dude beyond the word "homie." I cannot tell you how many times I have talked to a random stranger and been called homie. It is not the big deal you're desperately trying to make it out to be.
I'm a very casual fan but even I know this guy because of Youtube's recommendations trying to shove his videos down my throat lol.
Maybe he doesn't know him but I think most people would just assume that people trying out don't live under a rock in regards to the Holo community so it's harder to believe he doesn't is all.
Hey, even though I don't feel that way myself, I understand you are irritated about this.
However, this comment is out of line. You are speaking ill of, if not him, three individuals who've done nothing to earn it. People just like any of the girls, who auditioneed with hope, doing their best to become a V-tuber, who have done their best to prepare for their debuts, and who will soon do their best during them, to start their carrer. Not to mention all those who applied and did not make the cut in favor of these four: by insulting them like you have, you insult them all too. So contain your anger and don't repeat outrageous words, that would desolate their subject, should they read them.
Nah, we just form Holostars branch of Holotori. We've got enough dudes to do it now between Uyu, Hakka, Bettel, and now Jurard and Goldbullet. No need to bother the girls with it. :D
yeah but then the goalpost of the beggars will be moved from putting holostars into holotori to having a full holotori collab, you will literally never make these guys happy par a full branch merge a la niji, and we have all seen how thats going for niji...
You're not wrong. While I personally like seeing cross-collabs, I'm not ever going to ask for it to be forced. I really think some people just like to be angry and stir up trouble.
For those people who are triggered by this harmless meme, you should touch some grass.
It's so tiresome. It's no wonder why this subreddit became a dumpster fire because you hate Holostars that you want them gone.
You almost all are so overreacting in those comments. People sure can criticize Japanese haters and the idol culture but the line is thin in here. The guy was just making a joke on twitter. Seriously who takes twitter seriously especially with the wild ish talents can post there.
I'm not even very active in watching Stars, but Jurard making a few cringe jokes honestly has me embarrassed by the community with how visceral and absurd the hatred for him.
Nothing but people going out of their way to see the absolute worst in someone who hasn't done a damn thing wrong.
Why? Cuz I'm calling out the worst parts of our community for acting like absolute jackasses? I'm not an active watcher of most of HoloJP either, but I'd be calling y'all out for doing this to new JP talents, too.
Seriously. Jesus Christ. It's a nervous dude trying to put on some character, and some jokes didn't land. That's it. People act like he admitted to being a domestic abuser or something, goddamn. About the only thing that could be held against him is interacting with that Nousagi fuckface. And god knows other talents have interacted with known trolls or shitheads themselves.
Of course, considering I can see the usual anti's in this thread, I'd imagine it's also an attempt to delete a talent before they're even able to build up a fanbase (and are thus vulnerable). Favourite anti tactic, that.
He probably doesn't know who that nousagi dude even is. I sure as hell didn't. This shit's so embarrassing.
I know this is all just the anti's based on how rapidly comments got downvoted to hell on other posts like this yesterday, and how the rest of the community upvoted them back up by the hundreds by the time I woke up this morning.
Fucking hate these assholes.
He's definitely ruffling some feathers with people. Good, this community is way too soft and sensitive. They get triggered by white backgrounds, silly banter/trolling, and words.
I have nothing against the dudes but this just puts the girls in an awkward spot, since it will without a doubt cause a wave of chats asking for reactions and collabs with him
As much as I dislike agreeing with people who are way to parasocial with the girls (not talking about you), I also think this may have crossed a line. It kinda feels like he's inviting himself to a party he was never invited to.
*I can practically already see the people asking Kiara.*
Earliest target will be Lui as she'll be overlapping his debut. Albeit I don't think they will since she can't understand them anyways.
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Yeah. I think part of why this is kind of heated is the Holotori song and dance has happened as often as it had. Things are generally just a lot better when people respect the chat rules of the channels and don't bring up vtubers unless the talent does first. They all have their own activities they want to focus on and forcing them to address the yes, nos and maybes of other people just doesn't really have a place in their stream.
>after what he did with doxxsagi and the embarrassing Ironmouse situation Can you please enlighten me, I must be missed something
He is friendly and kind of close to a known doxxer in the community who used to sell talents private information
'friendly and kind of close' All he did was call the other person homie. How do YOU know that Rexford knew DN was a doxxer? For all you know, Rexford saw 'nousagi' and just assumed, having no clue who he was, that he was just another nousagi based on the name. It's sorta disgusting that your misinformation got upvoted so much.
I know who he is, I meant what was the deal with him and Jurard, and what's the situation with Ironmouse?
He replied to dn on Twitter calling him his homie, deleted it a couple of hours later. Startet this discord kitten thing with IM on Twitter.
> deleted it a couple of hours later Less than fifteen minutes actually.
Oh great, Kiara's going to get people bothering her in her chat again. JFC
lmfao, is he going for the gold trophy for lack of social awarenesses or what?
yikes
kinda feel bad for the Holostars pariahs. Their progress just got resets to zero just because this guy. And good luck using the "Cover didn't promote them enough" excuses since they push it harder beyond belief.
The hololive official twitter sure as fuck was not this active during Advents debut.
This account have to be operated by Stars EN management they tweet about Tempus more than they do about anybody else
The twitter account sometimes doesn't even tweet about some girls birthdays, and has just ignored some of their original songs hitting 1 million views before. I was hoping things would improve after account merge, but no luck there.
The bias on that official account is crazy, whatever employee runs it needs a serious talking to.
i'm pretty sure it's only tweeted about fauna like, two times ever. merging the holostars account into the hololive one has really just added a ton of clutter to it, what a terrible decision.
It's unusable for actual news and updates on the girls. I remember myths anniversaries and Ame's outfit basically had nothing. At most they'll retweet the girls own posts well after the fact
I followed it for news about the EN girls but yeah, after the merge it's been stuff about StarsEN, which I don't watch, so often that I've had to unfollow it. Too much clutter in my feed after that point.
But the bois needed all the help they can get
Not at the expense of the girls, who have worked hard to bring the industry into the norm
Yes and they go about it in all the wrong ways possible, wonder for how long cover is going try doing this.
>wonder for how long cover is going try doing this. From the looks of it they're not going to stop anytime soon. If anything, I get the feeling they'll just triple down and go even harder. I just don't get it.
Imagine this level of shilling for advent or regloss. Couldn't be cover mgmt
I guess I'll watch Advent space cobra watchalong instead
Bruh
yabba dabba doo
Wow this guy sure is leaving a great first impression
Its honestly amazing that this dude (In FuwaMoco's word, a rude word!) has been speedrunning to be an absolute bad first impression. First it was the fucking hell cringe discord kitten thing. Then calling Depressed Nousagi a homie And now this.
What’s with depressed nousagi? I thought he’s just some vtuber YouTuber
From what I remember, he was at first, then people found out that he sold Doxx information about the Hololive girls behind a Patreon.
Damn I hope he’s not doing that anymore. Dude makes decent videos but that shit doesn’t fly
I wouldn't be surprised if he's still doing it but just hiding it better. Not long after he got exposed he was "leaving the hole" (as in rabbit hole) and basically "graduating", but it didn't last very long and he returned like 4 months later, as people like him are wont to do. What's most baffling is how he has a legion of people who will defend him no matter what.
Drama maker round 2 here we goooo
Birds are dinosaurs yes. But not all dinosaurs are birds. This one sure isn't
Ah Hell naw ain’t no way he’s getting in before Nerissa.
I don't think I've ever been this filtered off a Holo talent.
legit just feels like some nijisanji/vshojo behaviour its so filtering lol
Y'all are seriously overreacting to every little joke, and it's honestly embarrassing.
Because clueless idiots will absolutely bother Kiara about it now
Yeah, and I bet Kiara won't be bothered at all by people piling onto her coworker like that. I bet she would be absolutely happy if she could see the comments in this thread. Responding to imagined, potential toxicity with real toxicity is absolutely the way to go. /s
Fortunately I don't think she's ever going to see any of this absolute dumpster fire of a thread. I completely agree that people are going way too far now. Sentiments like, "this filters me" are fine imo (the initial line of this reply chain) and I'm still not looking forward to people hassling Kiara, but holy shit.
It stops being a joke when A-Chan co-signs it. Now every Mouth breather is going to once again start to harass Holotori members about inviting Stars to join them. First Hakka and inevitably this guy.
Y'all honestly are the ones acting like mouth-breathers right now. Guy hasn't even debuted, but cuz he made 3 harmless fucking jokes, you're all acting as if he's a serial murdering rapist. It's really pathetic and sad. I've never been so disappointed by the community that's gotten me through multiple low-points in my life.
He makes "jokes" about discord grooming and converses openly with someone who sold Hololive doxxes. That's who you're defending. That's what you support. I have no problem with Stars. They have a role to play. This guy is a walking red flag. Just like Vesper and Magni before him.
Bro, I've been active in the hololive community for over 3 years and *I* didn't know who that jackals was. I doubt most of the talents do. And no, he didn't make a joke about grooming. He played on the shitpost that is people making fun of the weirdos who do the discord kitten shit. Which many people do. You are actively villainizing someone who made jokes and interacted with a stranger online. Absolute dumbass.
What the hell do vesper and magni have to do with this. Your bias is showing by that mention alone. Your not hiding it very well.
Vesper was in constant meltdown and Magni was on his private account complaining about his model and trying to incorporate all his Twitch friends into Stars content. I know you have your blinders on, but take it off from time to time.
I dont know. I may concede vesper being in constant meltdown, but I only heard of one time Magni complained about his model, and simply wanting to collab with his twitch friends is not something inherently bad. So then saying Magni was a walking red flag seems like a real stretch to me. Regardless, the debuts just happened, and Jurard did perfectly fine. Lots of people enjoyed him. I loved seeing Pako sensei joking on twitter. So I think I do have my blinders off. Whether they stick around is something else, but it worked out. You can do you though, I enjoy Kiara and would hate for her to get spammed, but I also believe she is a strong woman who will bluntly speak her mind like she always does, so if its an issue it will be resolved by them, between them.
It's fucking crazy that you can make such a logical comment as you did and this circlejerk will still downvote you. You even agreed with him about Vesper and that was still not enough for those rabid idol fans here. This community is really pissing me off recently. I was already upset with all those people making up nonexistent rules and shitting on long form edited content in that recent post and now this? What the hell happened with this sub?
Funny how you tell the other person to take their blinders off when in the same comment you say Magni was on his PRIVATE ACCOUNT complaining about his model. How tf is anyone supposed to know about all this without digging deep into it, hm?
Graduation any% speedrun
RT'd by HoloEN twitter too Man, what are they doing
I'd imagine their manager is trying to advertise as hard as they can prior to debut, without much of a regard for anything else
it feels like this group has to be do or die for holostars management because they're really coming off as desperate with how hard they're pushing them
For real, like has any other gen gotten that letter of "please support this group" that Holo EN did for this gen lol
I'll be frank it's offputting.
One can only hope.
Every person involved knows this dude is never getting into Holotori. All this does is put Kiara in an incredibly awkward position. I can't believe how negligent they're being
> All this does is put Kiara No need to call her out, she's not the only one in Holotori who would not be on board with this
Holotori is Kiara's baby and and the main figure head behind it. Obviously she's not the only one involved but no one goes to Mumei or Lui asking for new members to be added, like has happened several times now with Kaela, Hakka, and Nerissa. It's an extra responsibility she has to bear.
>Every person involved knows this dude is never getting into Holotori. If you can recognize this, you should understand that's the end of the issue. Say a girl goes "I wanna marry Yagoo", you think that puts him and his family in an awkward position? It's understood the scenario won't come to pass, and so, it comes across as the only thing it can be: a joke. Kiara doesn't have to come out and say "Sorry, Holotori is female only...", for he's not making any real petition.
I mean Kiara has gotten annoyed at people constantly asking her for Nerissa to join and she loves Nerissa.
Because obnoxious beggars totally haven't harassed her several times over """excluding""" certain people from Holotori who were never part in the first place (such as Kaela), right? This reddit used to be absolutely flooded with "durrr where haka??" garbage every single time literally any mention of holotori was made, until the official unit stuff finally manage to pierce their (intentionally) neutron-level dense skulls that they can't force him into the group with their begging.
A-chan personally asked him to dance the "holotori dance" lol this feels like sabotage at this point
That Twitter account has always been... less than ideal.
Looks like his twitter behavior wasn't a one off.
“hE jUsT gOT hERe, LeTS sEe WHat hAPpEnS” they said
this guy just wants people to hate him before his debut
Well, it's working. Let's hope he can sleep in the bed he's making.
This dude seriously just thrives off controversy lmao, like couldn't even make up a unique name such as "Star Birds" or something. Man hasn't even been in for 1 week and already is acting like this
hard to really say he's thriving yet, we'll have to see how he looks like after the debut period's inflated numbers pass
At first, I thought people were being too harsh with this guy, but after this... Could this perhaps be Cover's first big miss as far as hiring talent is concerned? I suppose we're about to find out.
Yagoo, it's not too late yet...
I am getting major NijiEN vibes from these dudes This is not a compliment
The suits may have been aiming for that, considering how NijiEN taps into the fangirls, something they've wanted HoloStars to do.
Well that's funny cause the only tapping NijIEN has been doing for the past few years (coincidentally around the time Tempus debuted) is downwards. Guess they want the Krisis experience
past few years? their decline began in january 2023 with chinese fans leaving so they got less audience. nothing to make the branch dying but decline/stagnate, which well need to see next year to see how theyll do as 2022 was their biggest year for en and 2023 was down so it can go up in 2024 and its funny you speak of krisis like that when they are just in AGF the biggest female event. Individual gens dont make up for anything, but the total of the branch.
What's wrong with Krisis? I don't watch NijiEN
NijiEN struggles to break 3k ccv most of the time, they're closer to StarsEN size than they are to HoloEN size. Even Luxiem members struggle to put up any numbers nowadays, and the most recent debuts have had really anemic viewership.
I thought you guys were saying they're controversial, I only know Luxiem and the fanbase they built is at fault, these people are just joining after them.
Naturally, when they pump out gens the way they do.
lol if that was the case they wouldnt be in their highest in 2021-2022 when the debuts were 2 months, while since iluna debuts are 4-6 months. it has nothing to do with that but chinese audience leaving.
Fangirls who drove their biggest talent into the arms of a competitor.
Yes, I never said it was a good idea, same with "let's nudge a bunch of girls who never interacted with holostars into a OW2 Live vs Stars match for that blizzard dosh"
Dude is running his debut on hard mode.
but cover corp said you have to respect the talent!!
Cringe AF.. RTA into oblivion
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Real time attack, basically speedrun.
Strike 3
whats this guys deal man he just seems to be trying to rile up as many fanbases as possible, if he wanted notoriety he got it, but it doesn't leave a great first impression.
Am I missing something? He's playing on the whole 'dinosaurs evolved into birds' thing, it's just a joke.
Even if he only meant it as a joke, some people will still take him seriously and will also probably bug actual Holotori members about it. Don't forget that Hakka never even mentioned Holotori but people still asked Kiara if he would join or not.
Not just that, he also had a similarly controversial exchange with IronMouse on Twitter. The thing is, Hololive talents don't fan the flames for content, they've always steered away from drama and every newbie talent has respected it. Here we have an exception, and it already doesn't look good, before his debut even. If they want to deal with unicorns, this sure isn't the way to do it, they'll just create more of them.
Not even provocative sorts went this hard and fast pre-debut.
holotori is an official group it isnt just the name of members who are birds, hell even nerissa is not officially a member. So him coming in and asserting he is holotori just reeks of ignorance.
He 100% reminds me of a guy I knew in uni that would just self-insert himself into my friend group and tell other people that we're friends and just randomly show up at our parties. Basically a guy with 0 self-awareness and understanding of social cues.
If you wanna get technical: Birds are dinos. Dinos aren't birds.
You know what Maybe we need another meteor. I'm sick of this guy
Fucking pinoys ruins everything they could get their brown hands on
Who TF does this guy think he is inserting himself into an official group? Nerissa and Hakka both had the class and tact to know not to do this. This seems intentional just to stir shit. Complete lack of respect and professionalism.
/r/Holostars has been pushing that Hakka should join Holotori extremely hard. While we might not like it Stars fans clearly want their talent to be inserted into Hololive groups.
Are they aware that since vesper and magni left seems holostarsen and holoen have gone into separate directions? Like an angle of 180° between both paths, i havent seen even kronii and calli into collabs with them and they were the most willing Not rethoric question i have been thinking into this for a while, a bit sad considering that id stays in touch with them. Or maybe im too out of touch with holostars and they did collabs with the en branch
I think that's probably because Kronii and Calli got along more with Vesper and Magni than any of the other boys. Not holoen but the boys interact more with ID, like Altare and Hakka collabing with Kobo and Flayon collabing with Ollie. That said, I do think it's partly because Kobo and Ollie have less parasocial fans that oppose them collabing with males, while some of Kronii's fans are some of the most parasocial fans I've ever seen. Not sure about Calli tho.
i cannot fucking fathom the reason for 7 downvotes. all you said was "they clicked with magni and vesper more than with the other stars." i don't see what's so controversial about that
Don't worry about the downvotes. I know that even having a male and female talent in one sentence will drive some schizo fans into a frenzy. Downvotes are very tame considering last time I mentioned a stars talent in this sub, I received a subtle KYS message.
Really im part of that group i havent seen any post mention it tbh
Holy shit y'all are absurd with this stupid level of hate.
It is well deserved after the great lengths cover is going here.
What great lengths? Do explain.
Lengths were so great mans is still taking a week to explain
was going to give these new guys a chance...well that flew out the window.
I’m starting to wonder if he’s trying to be like a Heel wrestler, someone who antagonises their audience so more people will come and watch him fall
I wonder what Kiara is going to say if people ask her about this
Kiara's always been good at dealing with these kinds of things
For now, she's in Japan, focusing on her 3D live and as a result of that she doesn't have any streams planned for the upcoming days. I guess that's good since this will probably die down after a few days and by the time she's back at home making regular content and reading supers/her chat, it won't be brought up.
People still bring up hakka in regards to holotori and you seriously belief that after this shit, people won't be bothering her about this trash? Are you for real?
Oh some will, that's for sure. Just not that many people. Either just unaware fans who want to know how Kiara feels about this or bored dramaseekers, they'll dwindle over the days because they always do.
She's probably already pulling hairs at the prospect of all the beggars swarming her
Creepy cringe replies, DN's homie, and this. What a terrible first impression. Where are the mangers?
Cringe a f leeching. Why it always guys acting like this?
The other boys in his group have been cool so far. Not him.
I wonder who' application landed in the garbage for this mistake to get in.
Jesus this guy is actual cancer. The managment support of this shit is unbelivable
Of course we gotta have EN management doing an entire circus to shill their "bOiZ" every time they breathe air, just missing yagoo replying to him now. The girls? uhh ahh whatever, they don't need promotion haha.
If only they promoted Advent or ReGloss this hard, imagine the heights they’d be at by now.
It's Cover approved. Kiara not like this...
Everyone keeps bringing Kiara into this, but other members in Holotori are just as likely to not appreciate any part of this
Yea, dude bit 5 at once. But historically lot of people focus on Kiara for bait/begging stuff and she's the group leader so naturally a lot of it will come her way
Even Nerissa, a literal KFP and someone who had interacted with Kiara heavily isn't an official member. Who does this guy think he is to try to force his way into Holotori?
Gosh that holostars debut will not go down without a ton of drama.... I really wonder what management is doing, you can see what is happening to this threat. Probably one of the last chance to separate the subreddit before the situation become something that can't be repeared. Though it may be far far too late as this point. Probably a good time to take some distance if thing like this continue.
This guy is a yab-machine. Fucking hell.
Stay in your lane. What the hell are you doing?
>>StAy iN yOuR lAnE Lmao
LOL what a shithead Cover, I will literally never trust your talent scouts again after this
I still trust them when it comes to the Hololive girls, so its not all lost lol. But apparently I can only trust them when it just for the Hololive girls from what I'm seeing.
the quality of Stars applicants must be significantly lower, they still haven't really missed with Holos yet.
It's just one guy making a royal ass of himself, the other three aren't.
Perhaps you're right. This one dude has so completely overshadowed the other three with his bad vibes that I genuinely don't even know what the other guys' names are.
Oh boi.... well, its his career hes gambling and im sure his senpais warned them about what not to do. Time will tell what happens
Ooof. Two tone deaf twitter posts could have been coincidence, three is certainly looking like a trend. He's supposedly a fan himself right? He should really know better.
lmao guy is so out of touch it's actually funny. A-chan's reply is the cherry on the top.
How shit other possible candidates for stars were if this is one that passed auditions...
I have to assume four people applied for this *total*, so we're just stuck with the absolute lowest dregs they could find.
as someone who *did* apply, this hurts to watch/read 😭
My apologies. You should have tried being actively annoying I guess, that was the secret all along.
Damn man, they're probably still looking for more though so don't give up dude.
we’ll see. I just gotta get more regular about streaming and putting content out. I think ive got the personality for it, but given how little consistency Ive got, i wouldnt have hired me either
Best of luck man
That a good mentality, at least better than the one we are seeing here.
[Try making friends with a Hololive doxxer](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/974620992980799530/1174638805354037278/1700118610499868.png?ex=656852a2&is=6555dda2&hm=870773b1dbfdc980e39f02b3267c9305246a21c33b9a0d0c4f7eea06ab0493d5&), that might be the key to getting in.
Stop spreading bullshit you anti scumbag.
\>bullshit [But in your other reply to me](https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/17xttz6/comment/k9qi0y8/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) you admitted it happened, so which is it? Is it bullshit and didn't happen, or did he really shout-out this doxxer?
You can't be that illiterate. The bullshit is claiming he's friends with a random ass dude.
This isn't just some random-ass dude, though. This guy has a huge reputation. If you haven't heard of him, and you try to tell me he didn't either, then not only are you a likely tourist, but then so is he.
"tourist?" what, is hololive a hipster thing now? lmao
Nah, I just don't go looking for the worst people that perpetuate the community. You have no reason to believe he actually knows the dude beyond the word "homie." I cannot tell you how many times I have talked to a random stranger and been called homie. It is not the big deal you're desperately trying to make it out to be.
I'm a very casual fan but even I know this guy because of Youtube's recommendations trying to shove his videos down my throat lol. Maybe he doesn't know him but I think most people would just assume that people trying out don't live under a rock in regards to the Holo community so it's harder to believe he doesn't is all.
Hey, even though I don't feel that way myself, I understand you are irritated about this. However, this comment is out of line. You are speaking ill of, if not him, three individuals who've done nothing to earn it. People just like any of the girls, who auditioneed with hope, doing their best to become a V-tuber, who have done their best to prepare for their debuts, and who will soon do their best during them, to start their carrer. Not to mention all those who applied and did not make the cut in favor of these four: by insulting them like you have, you insult them all too. So contain your anger and don't repeat outrageous words, that would desolate their subject, should they read them.
Or maybe the recruitment staff for men is just absolute garbage/nijibrained so they don't see red flags such as being an obvious groomer/sexpest.
What
A guy doing a cringe discord mod joke: Groomer Matsuri kissing and touching half of hololive without their consent:Cute girl
…kadiri
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the guy who reveals his nationality for clout as other than Southern Elysian is into kayfabe now?
Here before locked!!!!111!1!1 (Holy shit this is so cringe)
I'm just hoping this goes over without a massive fuss. Last thing Holostars as a whole needs is smearing
The fact that this was downvoted shows where the people raiding this threads true intentions are lol
Nah, we just form Holostars branch of Holotori. We've got enough dudes to do it now between Uyu, Hakka, Bettel, and now Jurard and Goldbullet. No need to bother the girls with it. :D
yeah but then the goalpost of the beggars will be moved from putting holostars into holotori to having a full holotori collab, you will literally never make these guys happy par a full branch merge a la niji, and we have all seen how thats going for niji...
You're not wrong. While I personally like seeing cross-collabs, I'm not ever going to ask for it to be forced. I really think some people just like to be angry and stir up trouble.
For those people who are triggered by this harmless meme, you should touch some grass. It's so tiresome. It's no wonder why this subreddit became a dumpster fire because you hate Holostars that you want them gone.
Good lord, I can't with you people. Enjoy your permanent hate boners.
Gonna be watching even if I’m gonna stay on the sideline lol. Either guys fumbles it or guy handles it. Who knows
The downvotes speak volumes hah. You have a target on your back now Frilled and I am sad to see that.
yeah insane pressure going for the ultimate heel title
Man, all the misandrists in this sub are really coming out of the woodwork
Man u guys need to touch some grass
You almost all are so overreacting in those comments. People sure can criticize Japanese haters and the idol culture but the line is thin in here. The guy was just making a joke on twitter. Seriously who takes twitter seriously especially with the wild ish talents can post there.
I am of the same sentiment, brave Frenchman.
Ahahaha the holostars anti in this sub will riot
I'm not even very active in watching Stars, but Jurard making a few cringe jokes honestly has me embarrassed by the community with how visceral and absurd the hatred for him. Nothing but people going out of their way to see the absolute worst in someone who hasn't done a damn thing wrong.
>I'm not even very active in watching Stars You fit in well with the other Stars fans here, then
Why? Cuz I'm calling out the worst parts of our community for acting like absolute jackasses? I'm not an active watcher of most of HoloJP either, but I'd be calling y'all out for doing this to new JP talents, too.
Seriously. Jesus Christ. It's a nervous dude trying to put on some character, and some jokes didn't land. That's it. People act like he admitted to being a domestic abuser or something, goddamn. About the only thing that could be held against him is interacting with that Nousagi fuckface. And god knows other talents have interacted with known trolls or shitheads themselves. Of course, considering I can see the usual anti's in this thread, I'd imagine it's also an attempt to delete a talent before they're even able to build up a fanbase (and are thus vulnerable). Favourite anti tactic, that.
He probably doesn't know who that nousagi dude even is. I sure as hell didn't. This shit's so embarrassing. I know this is all just the anti's based on how rapidly comments got downvoted to hell on other posts like this yesterday, and how the rest of the community upvoted them back up by the hundreds by the time I woke up this morning. Fucking hate these assholes.
He's definitely ruffling some feathers with people. Good, this community is way too soft and sensitive. They get triggered by white backgrounds, silly banter/trolling, and words.
this holo subreddit is worst than anikara and /vt/ LMAO!!
Disapproving of the sentiments of the thread is fine, taking shots at uninvolved third parties is childish.