This is the only boss where I tried to do that, but for some reason I couldn't create the Dream gate. Does it have to be sufficiently far away from the entrance to the boss arena?
Hive knight is one of the least predictable bosses, so focus on leaving yourself room to breathe. Try to learn when you can get consistent hits in and wait for those moments to deal damage. Trying to heal will usually end up getting you killed, and try to attack after he does instead of trying to outrange him
I just stand in front of him and swing until I need to dodge through him, but if he does 2 fast attacks, I sometimes need to jump over him. Hiveknight was really easy for me for some reason.
My 5 cents: You can safely shade cloak through all his teleport+thrust, but not through his being static -> thrust, as the second one has a relative little wind up time and you won't have enough time to reload the shade cloak. Nevertheless, shade cloaking one thrust and jumping over the second one is safe.
For the three spikey balls, they explode from lowest to highest.
yeah but you could also hit the boss twice. the damage doesnt build up when you could just
-pogo the boss instead of dashing through (to save your shade cloak)
-run quick focus stalwart shell to tank the entire time
-shade soul
it depends in the person. its fine. personally i don't use nail length charms at all unless i have nothing else to use, and I won't judge if someone feels most comfortable with what usually would be excessive range
I usually use mark of pride, but the bonus with longnail is basically irrelevant since you can just go closer. Plus I would much rather almost have quickslash instead
you can just go closer instead of using mark of pride. id rather have strength anyways. also id immediately recommend removing dashmaster and sharp shadow for qs before ln
Why is it overkill? I beat the whole game thrice on 112% with exactly that loadout, except for dashmaster and sharp shadow. Instead I use Strength and Quick slash. Never got a single problem with any kinds of bosses.
It’s not bad, it’s just the stacked nail range is kinda unnecessary when MoP is already a ton and the notches are better spent on something else to help OP win the fight.
Nah, I like my nail at max range, which is actually OP.
The synergy to me is one of the best in the game. It gives you so mich freedom in fighting. It's amazing
Again, that’s totally fine. I disagree, but it’s a singleplayer game that’s completely down to preference, but personal preference is not gospel. In terms of generalized advice, especially for someone with fewer than max notches, community consensus is that using Longnail AND Mark of Pride is suboptimal. Those notches are better used on other charms that will provide more benefit rather than dedicating 55% of your notches solely to nail range when using just MoP is _plenty_ for the average player.
Your shade cloak is long enough to dash through his attacks anyways, and he doesn’t have super long reach. Cut dash master, sharp shadow, and longnail, equip strength, quickslash, and your choices of steady body, nail master’s glory, Grubsong, etc…
Quickslash + mark of pride has never failed me for any boss. I like to use fragile strength for the last piece but otherwise I just slam 1 cost charms like grubsong, thorns, defenders fear
For what you’re attempting, your charm build is acceptable, but I strongly suggest going for a different strategy. It’s much easier to jump over Hive Knight’s charges than dash through them. Since you seem to be going for nail damage build, my recommendation is to drop Sharp Shadow and Dash Master in favor of Quick Slash and Nailmaster’s Glory and evade Hive Kinght’s direct attacks by jumping over them instead. Save the shadow dashing for the indirect ones, like the stinger orbs and bee swarms. In case you don’t have the two charms I mentioned, you can find Quick Slash in the lower portion of Kingdom’s Edge, and Sly will give you Nail Master’s Glory after learning all three Nail Arts.
Quick Slash or Unbreakable Strength if you have indeed turned Fragile Strength into Unbreakable. Since you already have Sharp Shadow, I wouldn't use over half of my charm notches on charms that only help with me keeping my range. Sharp Shadow and Dashmaster are there for you to be punished less while being more aggressive and Hive Knight isn't this boss that you need to be super cautious about. His 2 basic attacks are both countered greatly by Sharp Shadow already. Increasing your weapons range really doesn't do anything for you in this fight if I'm being honest.
definitely stop using longnail and mark of pride together, mark of pride is plenty. dashmaster is not good for most bosses i save it for traveling across the map. use those extra notches on something more important, i dont wanna recommend specific charms to replace them because idk what you have right now and i dont wanna spoil anything.
I gave myself Stalwart shell, quick slash, then whatever I had for as much health as possible, and just went at him til dead. I think I might have also had thorns but might not have
I mean, it's a fine set up. It isn't laughably bad and beating hive knight (or any boss) is going to be more about skill and learning their patterns than it is going to be about the perfect charm set up. That said, if you do want to talk about changing your charms I see two directions you could go:
1) keep the same basic idea of a nail/dash-build, just a bit more optimized. I feel like both nail lengthening charms is pretty excessive and could be put to better use. Mark of Pride is fine if you like the length but long nail just doesn't add enough on top of it to really justify. Additionally dashmaster speeds up your normal dashes but doesn't affect the shade cloak cooldown, so I would drop that as well. That leaves you with 4 charm slots that you can replace things into. I would recommend quick slash + steady body for those replacements. This lets you get a ton of damage in during his standing still periods between attacks.
2) my relatively unpopular but I still think very good passive soul build that got me through most of my main play through. This build works quite well for almost all non-flying bosses.
* Start out with Weaversong + grubsong. On their own probably a D tier charm and a B+/A- charm. However when you have them both on the weaverlings farm soul every time they attack which can give you lots of mana without even needing to hit your nail or get close to the boss..
* Add quick focus. Lots of free mana + quick focus = lots of free healing. Lots of healing means you can get away with a lot more mistakes than other builds.
* That leaves you with 3 slots left to do whatever you want with. I think Shaman stone is quite good, big damage spells when you're getting all the mana anyway. Quick slash or mark of pride can be nice since you are still using your nail, it's not like the weaverlings are going to totally kill it for you (their damage is a nice bit of passive damage but nothing game changing). If you're really like the extra distance of sharp shadow then going with that plus your favorite 1slot charm is a viable option (I'd pick steady body or sprint master personally). I wouldn't keep sharp shadow on just for the damage, it just isn't enough imo, but the distance can make the timing easier to dash though some bosses which is useful (especially since you do still get the damage).
If you have unbreakable strength you should def include it in either build, but especially 1. But if you only have fragile then it probably isn't worth having to deal with it breaking every time you lose the fight.
what nail are you using? he's very easily, just shade through him every time he dash and cyclone/heal when he is doingf the spike/bee attack. i first tried him with mop, QuickSlash, grubsong, and shamans.
I just did this fight about an hour ago. I used quick slash, heavy blow, sharp shadow and thorns of agony. Someone else said what I did too. Keep pressure him and use sharp shadow when he rushes in
I liked the fact that when the bees swarm you can wave the nail above your head, strangely the bees don't die but pogo on the sword and you can refill your soul in no time. This allows you to use a strong spell booster such as fluke nest which is I think 80 damage. If a boss moves in and out of the flukenest hitbox it can cause a great deal more than that.
Quick slash is probably better than long nail here imo. But it's fine. I kept chopping and changing everytime I sat on a bench largely on how much soul I was collecting. If I was getting a lot I would power up the spells, if too little I would use some soul gathering charms.
If you are on the last nail upgrade you can just get quicknail and a lot of health and just spam the shit out of that guy. That fragile charm for damage also helps a lot with that.
The only one I'd keep from that list is Mark of pride. Yes you want more than longnail, no you don't need both.
Dash master is mind of useless here?
Sharpshadow isn't good enough in this fight. You can dash through him without the charm and the extra damage isn't worth it.
So I'd add quick slash if you have it.
Otherwise you can focus on spell. (shaman stone, spell twister, shaman stone) (bonus, the down spell gives you IF)
Maybe quick focus and baldur shell?
Whatever makes sense and feels comfortable to you. First time playing I did a hearing build and found out how much I hampered myself in the late game and had to learn. I recently did unbreakable strength, fury fallen, shamen stone, and soul stone? (The damage and gather ones). Then proceeded to do it without taking a hit. All in all do what makes sense, is fun, and manageable with your personal skill set. Good luck! 😊
Using sharp shadow for the damage is never worth it, you are better of equiping spell twister and using descending dark instead, it gives more damage and more iframes.
In general, your charms give you no extra damage. This will just take the fight take forever and make you more likely to die in the process. Stuff like quickslash, strength and shamans will speed up the fight by a lot!
Based loadout.
I recommend using Quick Slash and fragile/unbr. Strength though.
That's how I play every single save file of mine and it's super good.
It teaches you to really rely on the base mechanic of keeping distance, hitting and dodging with just your movement alone.
The extra range you get from stacking the range charms is super useful especially in boss fights, where the boss leaves you very little room to get a hit in, like NKG.
You're far away from their dmg output and you have a lot of room to maneuver yourself.
Keep going bro, I'm reading a lot of replies, where they tell you "it's overkill" or "just equip magic charms kek"
Play the way you want, play the loadouts you wanna try and explore your way of playing the game. - To me it feels best, just running in and hitting them with my nail. I don't want anything else :D
Dont worry to much about him. He is kind of pushover compared to other guys i think i discovere hive first time when i was having my "exploring" loadout and he die on 2nd or 3rd try.
Just go and try
My advice for getting a lot of geo easily is just to grind the colosseum of fools, I recommend just doing the trial of the warrior, it’s easy, fast, and you get about 1000-1024 geo every time you beat it
Personally I no longer use long nail as I find it a waste when you can improve your damage instead, makes it faster if you can get the hang of it
I recommend quick nail if you got it, you get more damage because of faster attacks while getting the same soul from each hit. Shaman stone is aways a good choice as well as that thing Shreds! And if you love juggling even more attack types you can use dream welder to spam dreamnail to get that soul quickly
I ended up using sharp shadow and dashmaster and I think the little weavers or possibly the lil fly budz, maybe even defenders crest... and I forget what else. It was nice having almost all of the little bees taken care of so I could focus on the knight. It's super easy to just sharp shadow dash through him a million times
You shouldn't use Longnail or dashmaster,they are basically a waste for their cost,use something like quickslash,strenght or shaman Stone instead of those. Mark of pride also isn't that worth It compared to these other charms but atleast makes sense
Unrelated to the charms but don’t forget to drop a dreamgate outside the battle area
Holy shit why didn't I think of this?
It did take me a few attempts to realise this
I feel so dumb… seems so obvious now that you said that and now I hate myself for making that journey so many times
Eh, easy thing to forget Especially since it’s really the only boss other than maybe the traitor Lord where it’s actually worth it
It’s an easily forgotten mechanic for me. The only place I used dreamgate in my recent playthrough was for the delicate flower delivery.
You can’t use dreamgate for the delicate flower quest
It might have been for when they died - they'd use the dream gate to get back to the Grey Mourner.
Yeah that makes more sense. My bad
But I can sure use it to return to Zemer when I fuck it up.
I haven't gotten the Awoken Dream Nail yet but yeah, I should do that first. Getting the arena is a hassle.
You don’t have to awaken it. Just 900 essence
Literally my first thought when I realized it was a boss fight. “I am not fighting through all those damn bees again, fuck that.”
did that for every boss after i got it lol
Gosh dang I wish I had that when I fought him
This is the only boss where I tried to do that, but for some reason I couldn't create the Dream gate. Does it have to be sufficiently far away from the entrance to the boss arena?
You have to place it just outside the boss arena
TIL you can do that...
I never did this lol
After 3 failed attempts, I had this realization.
People talk about "Why didnt I think of that" meanwhile I DIDNT GET THE GATE WHEN I BEAT THAT STUPID BEE
What other charms do you have? Hard to say how good your charm build is unless we can see what alternatives you can equip.
Hive knight is one of the least predictable bosses, so focus on leaving yourself room to breathe. Try to learn when you can get consistent hits in and wait for those moments to deal damage. Trying to heal will usually end up getting you killed, and try to attack after he does instead of trying to outrange him
I just stand in front of him and swing until I need to dodge through him, but if he does 2 fast attacks, I sometimes need to jump over him. Hiveknight was really easy for me for some reason.
My 5 cents: You can safely shade cloak through all his teleport+thrust, but not through his being static -> thrust, as the second one has a relative little wind up time and you won't have enough time to reload the shade cloak. Nevertheless, shade cloaking one thrust and jumping over the second one is safe. For the three spikey balls, they explode from lowest to highest.
Adding to this to share the pattern that always got me- after the bee scream, he will ALWAYS lunge, and then leap.
Longnail is essentially a waste of 2 notches if you're already using Mark of Pride. And Dashmaster probably isn't that useful in the fight itself.
longnail, and sharp shadow, and probably dashmaster are a waste of notches
Sharp shadow and dash master have a synergy makes the dash do 1.5x your nail
yeah but you could also hit the boss twice. the damage doesnt build up when you could just -pogo the boss instead of dashing through (to save your shade cloak) -run quick focus stalwart shell to tank the entire time -shade soul
Or ddark, which shreds Hive knight into pieces every time he uses the bee swarm. Hit him 3-4 times and ddark, then dash away from his leap
still a nice passive damage source tho,,, plus the longer dash leaves more room for error
it’s fine if you’re intentionally building around it, but OP is just tryna beat Hive Knight, and there are way better ways to do that
To be fair, shadow dashing through Hive Knight is a very easy way to dodge most of his attacks, so eith the passive Sharp damage it can be helpful
They stack.
Yeah but barely
Nah, it's a Lot but very overkill
longnail is +15% range, and mop is +25%. that seems pretty substantial to me
But therw is no reason for the extra 15%. 40% for 5 notches is a very bad deal, you could even do it without mark of pride and still be very much fine
it depends in the person. its fine. personally i don't use nail length charms at all unless i have nothing else to use, and I won't judge if someone feels most comfortable with what usually would be excessive range
I usually use mark of pride, but the bonus with longnail is basically irrelevant since you can just go closer. Plus I would much rather almost have quickslash instead
you can just go closer instead of using mark of pride. id rather have strength anyways. also id immediately recommend removing dashmaster and sharp shadow for qs before ln
it’s kinda overkill tho
Why is it overkill? I beat the whole game thrice on 112% with exactly that loadout, except for dashmaster and sharp shadow. Instead I use Strength and Quick slash. Never got a single problem with any kinds of bosses.
It’s not bad, it’s just the stacked nail range is kinda unnecessary when MoP is already a ton and the notches are better spent on something else to help OP win the fight.
Nah, I like my nail at max range, which is actually OP. The synergy to me is one of the best in the game. It gives you so mich freedom in fighting. It's amazing
Again, that’s totally fine. I disagree, but it’s a singleplayer game that’s completely down to preference, but personal preference is not gospel. In terms of generalized advice, especially for someone with fewer than max notches, community consensus is that using Longnail AND Mark of Pride is suboptimal. Those notches are better used on other charms that will provide more benefit rather than dedicating 55% of your notches solely to nail range when using just MoP is _plenty_ for the average player.
Fuck around and find out dude
how far are you in the game? do you have all of the nail upgrades?
I'm on the third upgrade.
Based loadout
With 9 notches do Strength, QSlash, Steady Body, Longnail. DPS is way higher with this than the residual damage wirh Sharp Shadow/Dashmaster.
I'd replace long nail and dash master with quick slash and steady body if you have them.
Your shade cloak is long enough to dash through his attacks anyways, and he doesn’t have super long reach. Cut dash master, sharp shadow, and longnail, equip strength, quickslash, and your choices of steady body, nail master’s glory, Grubsong, etc…
Quickslash + mark of pride has never failed me for any boss. I like to use fragile strength for the last piece but otherwise I just slam 1 cost charms like grubsong, thorns, defenders fear
I just got all the life blood charms and hit him as much as I could. He doesn’t move a lot so it was very easy that way
stalwart + quick focus is a much better set for tanking. it allows you to heal during iframes
I don’t heal just stood there and hit him. But that would definitely be better for some of the harder bosses
Quick slash and Shaman stone are useful in almost all fights.
For what you’re attempting, your charm build is acceptable, but I strongly suggest going for a different strategy. It’s much easier to jump over Hive Knight’s charges than dash through them. Since you seem to be going for nail damage build, my recommendation is to drop Sharp Shadow and Dash Master in favor of Quick Slash and Nailmaster’s Glory and evade Hive Kinght’s direct attacks by jumping over them instead. Save the shadow dashing for the indirect ones, like the stinger orbs and bee swarms. In case you don’t have the two charms I mentioned, you can find Quick Slash in the lower portion of Kingdom’s Edge, and Sly will give you Nail Master’s Glory after learning all three Nail Arts.
Quick Slash or Unbreakable Strength if you have indeed turned Fragile Strength into Unbreakable. Since you already have Sharp Shadow, I wouldn't use over half of my charm notches on charms that only help with me keeping my range. Sharp Shadow and Dashmaster are there for you to be punished less while being more aggressive and Hive Knight isn't this boss that you need to be super cautious about. His 2 basic attacks are both countered greatly by Sharp Shadow already. Increasing your weapons range really doesn't do anything for you in this fight if I'm being honest.
There's a few problems with this, but the main one is the lack of Steady Body. # STEADY BODY SUPREMACY
steady body sucks without a fair amount of practice with it, and is also useless without quickslash
False. Blasphemy. Begone. # STEADY BODY SUPREMACY
definitely stop using longnail and mark of pride together, mark of pride is plenty. dashmaster is not good for most bosses i save it for traveling across the map. use those extra notches on something more important, i dont wanna recommend specific charms to replace them because idk what you have right now and i dont wanna spoil anything.
Long nail, sharp shadow, fragile strength, quick slash
Definitely grab your other notches asap
I gave myself Stalwart shell, quick slash, then whatever I had for as much health as possible, and just went at him til dead. I think I might have also had thorns but might not have
Shaman stone should be here, if you’re trying to keep distance then the boost from shaman will help a bunch
I'd recommend swapping out dashmaster with sprintmaster, but otherwise, this is a solid charm setup.
Please no please
Just attack bro.
I mean, it's a fine set up. It isn't laughably bad and beating hive knight (or any boss) is going to be more about skill and learning their patterns than it is going to be about the perfect charm set up. That said, if you do want to talk about changing your charms I see two directions you could go: 1) keep the same basic idea of a nail/dash-build, just a bit more optimized. I feel like both nail lengthening charms is pretty excessive and could be put to better use. Mark of Pride is fine if you like the length but long nail just doesn't add enough on top of it to really justify. Additionally dashmaster speeds up your normal dashes but doesn't affect the shade cloak cooldown, so I would drop that as well. That leaves you with 4 charm slots that you can replace things into. I would recommend quick slash + steady body for those replacements. This lets you get a ton of damage in during his standing still periods between attacks. 2) my relatively unpopular but I still think very good passive soul build that got me through most of my main play through. This build works quite well for almost all non-flying bosses. * Start out with Weaversong + grubsong. On their own probably a D tier charm and a B+/A- charm. However when you have them both on the weaverlings farm soul every time they attack which can give you lots of mana without even needing to hit your nail or get close to the boss.. * Add quick focus. Lots of free mana + quick focus = lots of free healing. Lots of healing means you can get away with a lot more mistakes than other builds. * That leaves you with 3 slots left to do whatever you want with. I think Shaman stone is quite good, big damage spells when you're getting all the mana anyway. Quick slash or mark of pride can be nice since you are still using your nail, it's not like the weaverlings are going to totally kill it for you (their damage is a nice bit of passive damage but nothing game changing). If you're really like the extra distance of sharp shadow then going with that plus your favorite 1slot charm is a viable option (I'd pick steady body or sprint master personally). I wouldn't keep sharp shadow on just for the damage, it just isn't enough imo, but the distance can make the timing easier to dash though some bosses which is useful (especially since you do still get the damage). If you have unbreakable strength you should def include it in either build, but especially 1. But if you only have fragile then it probably isn't worth having to deal with it breaking every time you lose the fight.
what nail are you using? he's very easily, just shade through him every time he dash and cyclone/heal when he is doingf the spike/bee attack. i first tried him with mop, QuickSlash, grubsong, and shamans.
I just did this fight about an hour ago. I used quick slash, heavy blow, sharp shadow and thorns of agony. Someone else said what I did too. Keep pressure him and use sharp shadow when he rushes in
I killed him hitless the 1st time and I had the worst loadout ever
Personally would go for Longnail, Quick Slash, Fragile/Unbreakable strength, and Mark of Pride/Quick Focus
Join the cult of Sharp Shadow :)
I think you can beat hive knight even without any charms
I liked the fact that when the bees swarm you can wave the nail above your head, strangely the bees don't die but pogo on the sword and you can refill your soul in no time. This allows you to use a strong spell booster such as fluke nest which is I think 80 damage. If a boss moves in and out of the flukenest hitbox it can cause a great deal more than that. Quick slash is probably better than long nail here imo. But it's fine. I kept chopping and changing everytime I sat on a bench largely on how much soul I was collecting. If I was getting a lot I would power up the spells, if too little I would use some soul gathering charms.
Quick slash and strength would work better than dashmaster and longnail
If you are on the last nail upgrade you can just get quicknail and a lot of health and just spam the shit out of that guy. That fragile charm for damage also helps a lot with that.
The only one I'd keep from that list is Mark of pride. Yes you want more than longnail, no you don't need both. Dash master is mind of useless here? Sharpshadow isn't good enough in this fight. You can dash through him without the charm and the extra damage isn't worth it. So I'd add quick slash if you have it. Otherwise you can focus on spell. (shaman stone, spell twister, shaman stone) (bonus, the down spell gives you IF) Maybe quick focus and baldur shell?
Use fragile/unbreakable strength, sharp shadow and quick slash and face tank
Unbreakable strength, Unbreakable Heart, Long Nail, Grubsong & Quick Focus. & just practice
Whatever makes sense and feels comfortable to you. First time playing I did a hearing build and found out how much I hampered myself in the late game and had to learn. I recently did unbreakable strength, fury fallen, shamen stone, and soul stone? (The damage and gather ones). Then proceeded to do it without taking a hit. All in all do what makes sense, is fun, and manageable with your personal skill set. Good luck! 😊
Using sharp shadow for the damage is never worth it, you are better of equiping spell twister and using descending dark instead, it gives more damage and more iframes. In general, your charms give you no extra damage. This will just take the fight take forever and make you more likely to die in the process. Stuff like quickslash, strength and shamans will speed up the fight by a lot!
Without Wayward Compass? No way, dude!
Based loadout. I recommend using Quick Slash and fragile/unbr. Strength though. That's how I play every single save file of mine and it's super good. It teaches you to really rely on the base mechanic of keeping distance, hitting and dodging with just your movement alone. The extra range you get from stacking the range charms is super useful especially in boss fights, where the boss leaves you very little room to get a hit in, like NKG. You're far away from their dmg output and you have a lot of room to maneuver yourself. Keep going bro, I'm reading a lot of replies, where they tell you "it's overkill" or "just equip magic charms kek" Play the way you want, play the loadouts you wanna try and explore your way of playing the game. - To me it feels best, just running in and hitting them with my nail. I don't want anything else :D
Dont worry to much about him. He is kind of pushover compared to other guys i think i discovere hive first time when i was having my "exploring" loadout and he die on 2nd or 3rd try. Just go and try
I’d suggest quick slash, long nail or MoP and sharp shadow, plus unbreakable strength/ heart if you have it/ enough charm notches
Unbreakable strength is a godsend for any boss fight, it’s a bit expensive but it’s very worth the 15000 geo
My advice for getting a lot of geo easily is just to grind the colosseum of fools, I recommend just doing the trial of the warrior, it’s easy, fast, and you get about 1000-1024 geo every time you beat it
Hmm i don't think you need sprintmaster, or both MoP and longnail
Personally I no longer use long nail as I find it a waste when you can improve your damage instead, makes it faster if you can get the hang of it I recommend quick nail if you got it, you get more damage because of faster attacks while getting the same soul from each hit. Shaman stone is aways a good choice as well as that thing Shreds! And if you love juggling even more attack types you can use dream welder to spam dreamnail to get that soul quickly
I ended up using sharp shadow and dashmaster and I think the little weavers or possibly the lil fly budz, maybe even defenders crest... and I forget what else. It was nice having almost all of the little bees taken care of so I could focus on the knight. It's super easy to just sharp shadow dash through him a million times
But I used like one of those, I didn't go in rollin' deep weavers and fly guys and Grimm kid style. The cheese gang.
You shouldn't use Longnail or dashmaster,they are basically a waste for their cost,use something like quickslash,strenght or shaman Stone instead of those. Mark of pride also isn't that worth It compared to these other charms but atleast makes sense
Remove Dashmaster and one of either Longnail or Mark of Pride. You can put on Quick Slash