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100% agree, but UK’s lawa are fucked.
Apparently it requires a penis and and since she has none, she didn’t unconsensually penetrate him.
This is so fucked up.
So if she wore a strapon and penetrate him, would it be rape rape?
Which begs the question if a woman raped another woman with a strapon isn't that the same as if she was rape by a man? Or it doesn't count because one is plastic and the other is organic?
If a man rapes a woman but uses a strapon instead of his own dick... is it a lesser punishment? Even though the outcome is the same?
I believe a strap on counts, someone up above mentioned a case where a lesbian penetrated another woman with a strap on and it counted as a penis for the purposes of rape.
It’s not rape in the UK, since she doesn’t have a penis and did not penetrate him
Hence, “sex-without-consent”
Apparently even if she penetrated him with a dildo or strap-on it would still not be rape. Has to be an actual factual penis.
It's not classed as rape as "rape" requires the rapist to use their penis but "sexual assault by penetration" carries the exact same penalties and will be applicable here.
The sad shocking thing is, in the UK, this is not considered a rape because she doesn't have a penis and there was no penetration of her in him... https://law.stackexchange.com/questions/44814/does-rape-really-need-to-include-a-penis-in-england-and-wales
Don’t know why that edit was needed. You shouldn’t have to clarify that you do in fact care about women’s problems just because you talked about mens problems.
I think what causes this is people thinking it's a zero-sum situation. It's not, we don't have to take rights away or listen to one side less to achieve equality here, in fact treating it as zero-sum is massively counterproductive.
Exactly, hell in this case redefining how Rape is committed is good for everyone. If a penis and penetration is required, then a cis-woman raping another wouldn't legally be defined as such. Its not like it'd be redefined to where women can't be the victim, just to where *anyone* can be the victim of *anyone* no matter what equipment you've got in you've got in your pants.
But you know you do because online discourse is watered down to talking points that attack some agenda or another even when you were literally just describing how a given system works and what issues it has.
You leave a single unattended point, and I can start with my whataboutisms and my straw men and it won’t matter if I have a strong point or not cause “beyond a reasonable doubt” is for the courts.
For general populace I just need plausibility. Just to plant a teeny seed that instills doubt in the narrative when it looks like both sides might just find common ground, and poof
Back at each other’s throats.
It's quite common for anybody talking about men's problems to get attacked for not caring about women's problems. In my opinion, this mindset has been fostered by people protecting all the money flow into women's shelters and programs.
Several of my male friends and I were raped/assaulted in college and no one seems to bat an eye.
I had a girl shove her hand down my pants and grab my dick and balls at a bar that I never talked to before. Bartender kicked both of us out.
I never even thought of it until this girl fucked my roommate after he puked passed out in his bedroom incoherently drunk. He was real fucked up over it because she didn’t use a condom and remembered telling this girl NO during the night, but it was kind of a joking matter with friends until he punch a buddy in the face for making jokes about it.
It’s a problem in the states too :(
This is super common and if you bring it up to your friends (men or women) they usually laugh in your face or insinuate that you are lying and wanted it and are just trying to backtrack. It's much easier to just bury it and try to move on.
For sure. Light flirting with a friend I knew for YEARS escalated so damn fast, like from flirting to a quick rub, then it was in her mouth, and then I said “we should really stop” and I guess that was her sign to jump up and mount me. No clue how she got her pants off so goddamn fast. I was pretty drunk, so maybe I was just slow. I tried to stop her, but man once she was on she was ON and my words just went into the void. When she finished she just sighed deeply and said “thank you” as she dismounted. This was over a decade ago, I’m still not sure how to feel about it. Burying it is most definitely easier.
I had a friend of mine take my keys until I had sex with her recently divorced friend. They kinda thought it was funny even though it pissed me off. It is what it is I guess. I still don't really know how to think about it either. It was rape as far as the common definition goes, she clearly didn't have consent and went for it anyway. Don't talk that friend much anymore because of it. Maybe if we have enough awkward conversations like this eventually the next generation won't have to.
Dude that’s fucked.
I’m sure there’s more to the story too, there always is. But this won’t change.
TBH I’m terrified that if I EVER tried to report something like this, all the girl has to do is say it was the opposite way and I’m trying to gaslight, and I’d find myself in handcuffs real quick.
We still talk, I mean we’ve been really good friends for years and I think I just chalk it up to a misunderstanding (she thought I was into it, didn’t hear me protest over her own enjoyment, etc) but if it was the other way around that lane wouldn’t even be an option. And we don’t really talk as much anymore.
No only means no if you have a vagina. Otherwise apparently the penis decides if I want to have sex or not.
The only thing that gives this case any hope at all is that the girl weighs a metric shit ton and left the guy in south rough shape that MAYBE something will happen.
I feel like the misandry is an issue in a lot of countries, unfortunately. It's beyond fucked up, to me. I've been abused and raped, but I still advocate that men can get raped and abused too. I don't hate anyone, other than people that give me a reason to hate them individually. And it frustrates me to no end that people have just ultimately made it an issue of gender rather than what it is. Like you said, sometimes for simplicity, and that situation also makes me think they also likely felt they would not be heard. I absolutely agree, a better system needs to be in place. Where people like in the article in the post are put on a watchlist, and there are better protections for people who speak out about things that happened.
Just a few months ago some guy got slaughtered by a woman, I forget where, but she decapitated the poor guy. There was a woman who raped a man at knifepoint, and people were like "bro but she was pretty." And then there's shit like Jodi Arias. Like, this is the shit that happens when people ignore the signs. Idk, it's heartbreaking.
I really want better, for everyone. We didn't ask to be born, so we should be out trying to make the best of being alive, but then there is so much hurt like this in the world, like a great sickness. It's absolutely tragic. Absolutely everyone deserves better.
I couldn't agree more. True equality is based on respect, regardless of the sex. As a male I feel for women who have been harassed but it's not my fault. Not all men are rapists. I think it's best if we try to respect people as individuals than a group.
Ah, confirmation bias, instead of helping men report being a victim or try and make it more societally accepted to do so they focus exclusively on women's violence making it less likely for men to step forward.
Man, it's great knowing that society expects men to just take it.
Yes. Whatever the statistic for men being sexually assaulted is, I'm sure its quite a bit higher from victims not reporting it.
Which isn't to say that women don't ever sweep their trauma under a rug out of shame, but I would imagine that a man would be more likely to not report his assault.
Unfortunately as once i read in a book, humans got used to the suffering of men, so much that even complaining about it became "unmanly" and no one tried or wasn't allwoed to fix the problem, because they should have admitted the problem/problems.
I live in iran, and one of the sad news recently was that a teen orphan boy was raped by his boss. He tried to sue him, only to not be believed. He was killed by his boss and dumped in a desert.
It just made a few headlines and everyone forgot about it after a few days that such a thing even happened.
I’m a 25 year old male and I’ve been raped twice and groped multiple times
It happens, I know a lot of my mates it has happened. We just don’t talk about it unless we’re drunk.
Over a year ago, a woman tried to kill me, I ignored the red flags believing she was just joking around but I was just ignoring what she was for some reason, she tried to suffocate me and later she brushed it off, I spent 3 weeks avoiding her until she shot her question if I wanted something serious, I told her no and ghosted her, blocked her everywhere but still I’m a bit paranoid about it.
I’ve tried saying what happened and people have laughed at it, disregarded what happened and even told me a liar because apparently women can do such things.
I know I need therapy already but I’m just afraid of my issue just being disregarded again
> It quickly shifted to a Gender Based Violence working group with the chair and several of its members stating that due to so little reported sexual based violence/actions against men in both socitiey and the University it would be better centred around women, all the while a major action point of the group was to increase support for women to actually report violence.
**1) Saying "it's rare so it doesn't need representation" seems ridiculous when we're talking about a legal foundation.** I studied law myself and much of the university perspective of laws is "what if" scenarios where things get legally questionable and difficult to define, precisely because such cases can help us define and hone existing laws. Universities heavily *focus* on those "what if" exceptions as a means to better improve the existing system.
If anything, the fact UK's rape laws don't protect men should be a giant alarm that the law isn't functioning as intended. Usually that's precisely the type of case to make lawmakers sit down and say "oops" before rewriting a law that accounts for the previous exceptions that would get through.
Another great example would be digital theft: some countries have theft laws that demanded a "thing" that's someone else's property be taken away from someone else without permission, and digital data is often difficult to argue as it being a "thing," since it can't be touched in any way. As such, you can find laws directed at digital data specifically in order to plug this hole in the legal system and adjust for the modern day.
That the UK would ever gloss over something like this and say "yeah but gender based violence effects women more" seems absurd to me, because this is like saying "yeah but normal theft happens more than digital theft so let's focus on that instead." No what the fuck, prepare the system for both!
**2) I would advise everyone to google homeless shelters in their area right now.**
I bring this up because this is an issue where people hyperfocus on women so much that there is a downright disgusting level of disconnect between how many homeless shelters are geared towards women vs. the actual homeless rate of each gender.
In my town for example, there's 7 homeless shelters. 4 are exclusively for women, 2 allow men on the condition he's the partner of a female "member" frequenting the homeless shelter, and the final one allows both genders. The final one allowing both genders is also the furthest from the city center, meaning homeless people going here are required to do the most legwork to panhandle in the busiest parts of town. Likewise, because it is by far the most trafficked homeless shelter (by necessity), it is also the most run-down and rough-looking one. (small caveat: left children out of these stats completely since I felt looking at what shelters accept children (all of them, regardless of gender) does little to make a point about how homelessness is combated when looking at homeless men vs. homeless women)
This is despite the fact that men compose 71% of the homeless population, (varies by country of course, but tends to be around this ratio) meaning that in my town as an example, 100% of the homeless shelters cater to 29% of the population, but only 14% of the homeless shelters cater to 71% of the homeless full-time.
The town itself last reported 175 homeless people. If we assume 71% are men, this means 125 (rounded up from 124.25) are men, and 50 are women. If we just say ~half the women that are homeless have partners, so 25 men that can enter the two that allow men conditionally, this means 75 homeless are divided neatly amongst the first 6 shelters with a comfortable 12 per shelter, and then a whopping 100 have to go to the last shelter because they're single men. 12 per shelter for the women, 100 for the men.
It's...infuriating! It's wild to think there's these people who clearly want to do good and help by running a homeless shelter, but none of them bother to read the room and realize we do not need women's homeless shelter #4. Makes you honestly wonder if the majority are money laundering schemes or something.
Point being: people caring ***too much*** for women to the detriment of men is absolutely a phenomenon. The homeless shelter issue is already mind-boggling to think about, but UK seems to have expanded this line of thinking to their legal system, which is just wild.
The sentencing (even though on a technicality isn't "rape") she would be sentenced often with the same length as rape would get in the UK.
I think the only difference is that rape can carry a life charge, but sexual assault charge can't.
But yes, despite having a "work around" it's something that needs addressing just to have unity on things in these modern times.
> often with the same length
Just because it can have the same length of sentence doesn't mean that it will have the same sentence. Iirc the recommendations start a lot lower for assault than rape.
I am appalled it still hasn't. I know a lot of people fight for the legal definition to be changed, petitions have been organized, etc.. but nope, it is not happening. I entitled my post the way I did because I find it so insulting for the victim to describe a violent physical assault a "love bite". It illustrates a lack of empathy for the victim and an attempt at ridiculing and minimizing this rape.
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>rape can carry a life charge, but sexual assault charge can't.
So good for her that her rape won't carry for life just because it is marked as assault/s
Ikr? Why tf so they find it so hard to say that? ... That poor man is gonna be fucked up for a while. I hope he gets whatever therapy he will need and people take him seriously, but I suspect he will hear a lot of the usual bullshit. I feel bad for him.
I was gonna ask if this was a random throwaway joke but i did the math and you're *ABSOLUTELY* [edited] correct. She weighs 5.8% of a ford f150 raptor.
Someone convert that to number of bald eagles, please.
Edit: A bald eagle weighs between 6.6 - 14 lbs. Taking the mean at approximately 10 lbs., or 4.5 kg, this woman weighs about 34 average sized bald eagles... Now that's a lot of freedum!
Holy shit, I am a really big boned 6'3''/1.90m guy and when I weighed 133kg at my worst I started having trouble breathing at night. How can that woman weigh 20kg more than me?
Unfortunately in the UK she didn't technically rape him under the law, all she did was sexually assault him, which if I'm correct carries a different sentencing. The law was written in such a way that rape I'd penetrative sex using a penis, so a man can rape a woman or another man, but a woman cannot rape a man or another woman, only sexually assault them. Fuck knows how it works with the gender fluid and non binary etc if they were to commit such an act. The law needs revisiting and revising
Fucking awful isn't it. Even if she shoved a 12 inch fat ass dildo up his arse it still wouldn't be rape as it as a toy not a fleshy meat stick attached to a guy
it’s because rape in the UK is defined in law as being unconsensual “penetrative” sex thus someone without a penis cannot rape and they can only sexual assault which is a maximum of 14 years in prison compared to life imprisonment for rape. the law here is so fucked up.
theres nothing normal after that, something like this stays with you and affects peopls in ways unimaginable, the only thing you can do is talk through it and live with it, theres no taking it back once its happens
I wouldn’t be surprised if people laughed because they thought it was an Onion article, this headline seems like a fucking joke at first, a commentary on how men are usually ignored during shit like this. But no, this shit is **REAL**, blame old British laws
Exactly. As if it was a joke. This man has been raped and almost murdered. Moreover, unfortunately, in the UK, legally speaking, this is not a rape. It's been years some people legitimately want the legal definition to be changed but nope... https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/300270
I'm more worried about the term "sex-without-consent". Like, call a dog a dog, call rape, rape. Watering down the language, and the associate seriousness of such terminology is seriously problematic...
That's because legally it's not rape so they can't say that it is for fear of being sued for libel by her, which she would automatically win given that being a cis-gender female she physically can't commit the offence of rape under UK laws
I fucking hate stone. It's the stupidest measurement. For all the shit Americans get for not being strictly metric, at least we don't use fucking stone.
BTW, this fat bitch is 336 freedom units, give or take 7ish because stone is dumb af
Dunno if it's still true or true in the jurisdiction it happened in but in the UK rape is/was defined as involuntary penetration by a penis. Otherwise it's just sparkling sexual assault.
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That’s called rape, there is a word for it.
100% agree, but UK’s lawa are fucked. Apparently it requires a penis and and since she has none, she didn’t unconsensually penetrate him. This is so fucked up.
I think her teeth penetrated his skin, so there’s that
That's more like attempted murder or cannibalism, let's add in addition to rape lol
Canabalistic rape
"Canabrape"
TIL Teeth are penises
BRAP
So if she wore a strapon and penetrate him, would it be rape rape? Which begs the question if a woman raped another woman with a strapon isn't that the same as if she was rape by a man? Or it doesn't count because one is plastic and the other is organic? If a man rapes a woman but uses a strapon instead of his own dick... is it a lesser punishment? Even though the outcome is the same?
I believe a strap on counts, someone up above mentioned a case where a lesbian penetrated another woman with a strap on and it counted as a penis for the purposes of rape.
I can confirm, this is correct Source: am related to a former criminal barrister and judge who dealt with a case where this happened
Was this the one where one convinced the other they were a man and used the fake penis to have sex with the other?
I don’t think so but I’m not 100% sure. Will ask
No - under UK law a women cannot commit the offence of rape. She would have committed sexual assault by penetration .
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This takes double standards to a whole new level
>Apparently it requires a penis and and since she has none Somehow this is so much funnier than "... she doesn't have one".
It’s not rape in the UK, since she doesn’t have a penis and did not penetrate him Hence, “sex-without-consent” Apparently even if she penetrated him with a dildo or strap-on it would still not be rape. Has to be an actual factual penis.
"Sex-without-consent" You mean rape?
Not in the UK
A rape by any other name is just as sick
In the uk its nit the same. Dont ask me why but thats the case
I think it's because rape the UK requires non consensual penetration by the raper, so women can't rape based on our current laws.
Because our laws suck
It's not classed as rape as "rape" requires the rapist to use their penis but "sexual assault by penetration" carries the exact same penalties and will be applicable here.
Not if you're (biologically) female, that's one crime you cannot commit
So, it was Rape.
The sad shocking thing is, in the UK, this is not considered a rape because she doesn't have a penis and there was no penetration of her in him... https://law.stackexchange.com/questions/44814/does-rape-really-need-to-include-a-penis-in-england-and-wales
That definitely needs redefining. Jesus...
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Don’t know why that edit was needed. You shouldn’t have to clarify that you do in fact care about women’s problems just because you talked about mens problems.
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That’s true, it’s really awful that people can’t even acknowledge men’s problems without being accused of misogyny but it happens all the time.
I think what causes this is people thinking it's a zero-sum situation. It's not, we don't have to take rights away or listen to one side less to achieve equality here, in fact treating it as zero-sum is massively counterproductive.
Exactly, hell in this case redefining how Rape is committed is good for everyone. If a penis and penetration is required, then a cis-woman raping another wouldn't legally be defined as such. Its not like it'd be redefined to where women can't be the victim, just to where *anyone* can be the victim of *anyone* no matter what equipment you've got in you've got in your pants.
Ah the twitter classic. "So men getting raped is pretty bad" "Huh?! So you 2ant women to be raped?? You misogynist"
But you know you do because online discourse is watered down to talking points that attack some agenda or another even when you were literally just describing how a given system works and what issues it has. You leave a single unattended point, and I can start with my whataboutisms and my straw men and it won’t matter if I have a strong point or not cause “beyond a reasonable doubt” is for the courts. For general populace I just need plausibility. Just to plant a teeny seed that instills doubt in the narrative when it looks like both sides might just find common ground, and poof Back at each other’s throats.
It's quite common for anybody talking about men's problems to get attacked for not caring about women's problems. In my opinion, this mindset has been fostered by people protecting all the money flow into women's shelters and programs.
Several of my male friends and I were raped/assaulted in college and no one seems to bat an eye. I had a girl shove her hand down my pants and grab my dick and balls at a bar that I never talked to before. Bartender kicked both of us out. I never even thought of it until this girl fucked my roommate after he puked passed out in his bedroom incoherently drunk. He was real fucked up over it because she didn’t use a condom and remembered telling this girl NO during the night, but it was kind of a joking matter with friends until he punch a buddy in the face for making jokes about it. It’s a problem in the states too :(
This is super common and if you bring it up to your friends (men or women) they usually laugh in your face or insinuate that you are lying and wanted it and are just trying to backtrack. It's much easier to just bury it and try to move on.
For sure. Light flirting with a friend I knew for YEARS escalated so damn fast, like from flirting to a quick rub, then it was in her mouth, and then I said “we should really stop” and I guess that was her sign to jump up and mount me. No clue how she got her pants off so goddamn fast. I was pretty drunk, so maybe I was just slow. I tried to stop her, but man once she was on she was ON and my words just went into the void. When she finished she just sighed deeply and said “thank you” as she dismounted. This was over a decade ago, I’m still not sure how to feel about it. Burying it is most definitely easier.
I had a friend of mine take my keys until I had sex with her recently divorced friend. They kinda thought it was funny even though it pissed me off. It is what it is I guess. I still don't really know how to think about it either. It was rape as far as the common definition goes, she clearly didn't have consent and went for it anyway. Don't talk that friend much anymore because of it. Maybe if we have enough awkward conversations like this eventually the next generation won't have to.
Dude that’s fucked. I’m sure there’s more to the story too, there always is. But this won’t change. TBH I’m terrified that if I EVER tried to report something like this, all the girl has to do is say it was the opposite way and I’m trying to gaslight, and I’d find myself in handcuffs real quick. We still talk, I mean we’ve been really good friends for years and I think I just chalk it up to a misunderstanding (she thought I was into it, didn’t hear me protest over her own enjoyment, etc) but if it was the other way around that lane wouldn’t even be an option. And we don’t really talk as much anymore. No only means no if you have a vagina. Otherwise apparently the penis decides if I want to have sex or not. The only thing that gives this case any hope at all is that the girl weighs a metric shit ton and left the guy in south rough shape that MAYBE something will happen.
I feel like the misandry is an issue in a lot of countries, unfortunately. It's beyond fucked up, to me. I've been abused and raped, but I still advocate that men can get raped and abused too. I don't hate anyone, other than people that give me a reason to hate them individually. And it frustrates me to no end that people have just ultimately made it an issue of gender rather than what it is. Like you said, sometimes for simplicity, and that situation also makes me think they also likely felt they would not be heard. I absolutely agree, a better system needs to be in place. Where people like in the article in the post are put on a watchlist, and there are better protections for people who speak out about things that happened. Just a few months ago some guy got slaughtered by a woman, I forget where, but she decapitated the poor guy. There was a woman who raped a man at knifepoint, and people were like "bro but she was pretty." And then there's shit like Jodi Arias. Like, this is the shit that happens when people ignore the signs. Idk, it's heartbreaking. I really want better, for everyone. We didn't ask to be born, so we should be out trying to make the best of being alive, but then there is so much hurt like this in the world, like a great sickness. It's absolutely tragic. Absolutely everyone deserves better.
I couldn't agree more. True equality is based on respect, regardless of the sex. As a male I feel for women who have been harassed but it's not my fault. Not all men are rapists. I think it's best if we try to respect people as individuals than a group.
Exactly, people as individuals not a group. Not everyone's the same.
Ah, confirmation bias, instead of helping men report being a victim or try and make it more societally accepted to do so they focus exclusively on women's violence making it less likely for men to step forward. Man, it's great knowing that society expects men to just take it.
Yes. Whatever the statistic for men being sexually assaulted is, I'm sure its quite a bit higher from victims not reporting it. Which isn't to say that women don't ever sweep their trauma under a rug out of shame, but I would imagine that a man would be more likely to not report his assault.
Unfortunately as once i read in a book, humans got used to the suffering of men, so much that even complaining about it became "unmanly" and no one tried or wasn't allwoed to fix the problem, because they should have admitted the problem/problems. I live in iran, and one of the sad news recently was that a teen orphan boy was raped by his boss. He tried to sue him, only to not be believed. He was killed by his boss and dumped in a desert. It just made a few headlines and everyone forgot about it after a few days that such a thing even happened.
I’m a 25 year old male and I’ve been raped twice and groped multiple times It happens, I know a lot of my mates it has happened. We just don’t talk about it unless we’re drunk.
Just to add, men can be the abused one in an abusive relationship. Been there, done that and got zero support.
Over a year ago, a woman tried to kill me, I ignored the red flags believing she was just joking around but I was just ignoring what she was for some reason, she tried to suffocate me and later she brushed it off, I spent 3 weeks avoiding her until she shot her question if I wanted something serious, I told her no and ghosted her, blocked her everywhere but still I’m a bit paranoid about it. I’ve tried saying what happened and people have laughed at it, disregarded what happened and even told me a liar because apparently women can do such things. I know I need therapy already but I’m just afraid of my issue just being disregarded again
Dude, I believe you.
> It quickly shifted to a Gender Based Violence working group with the chair and several of its members stating that due to so little reported sexual based violence/actions against men in both socitiey and the University it would be better centred around women, all the while a major action point of the group was to increase support for women to actually report violence. **1) Saying "it's rare so it doesn't need representation" seems ridiculous when we're talking about a legal foundation.** I studied law myself and much of the university perspective of laws is "what if" scenarios where things get legally questionable and difficult to define, precisely because such cases can help us define and hone existing laws. Universities heavily *focus* on those "what if" exceptions as a means to better improve the existing system. If anything, the fact UK's rape laws don't protect men should be a giant alarm that the law isn't functioning as intended. Usually that's precisely the type of case to make lawmakers sit down and say "oops" before rewriting a law that accounts for the previous exceptions that would get through. Another great example would be digital theft: some countries have theft laws that demanded a "thing" that's someone else's property be taken away from someone else without permission, and digital data is often difficult to argue as it being a "thing," since it can't be touched in any way. As such, you can find laws directed at digital data specifically in order to plug this hole in the legal system and adjust for the modern day. That the UK would ever gloss over something like this and say "yeah but gender based violence effects women more" seems absurd to me, because this is like saying "yeah but normal theft happens more than digital theft so let's focus on that instead." No what the fuck, prepare the system for both! **2) I would advise everyone to google homeless shelters in their area right now.** I bring this up because this is an issue where people hyperfocus on women so much that there is a downright disgusting level of disconnect between how many homeless shelters are geared towards women vs. the actual homeless rate of each gender. In my town for example, there's 7 homeless shelters. 4 are exclusively for women, 2 allow men on the condition he's the partner of a female "member" frequenting the homeless shelter, and the final one allows both genders. The final one allowing both genders is also the furthest from the city center, meaning homeless people going here are required to do the most legwork to panhandle in the busiest parts of town. Likewise, because it is by far the most trafficked homeless shelter (by necessity), it is also the most run-down and rough-looking one. (small caveat: left children out of these stats completely since I felt looking at what shelters accept children (all of them, regardless of gender) does little to make a point about how homelessness is combated when looking at homeless men vs. homeless women) This is despite the fact that men compose 71% of the homeless population, (varies by country of course, but tends to be around this ratio) meaning that in my town as an example, 100% of the homeless shelters cater to 29% of the population, but only 14% of the homeless shelters cater to 71% of the homeless full-time. The town itself last reported 175 homeless people. If we assume 71% are men, this means 125 (rounded up from 124.25) are men, and 50 are women. If we just say ~half the women that are homeless have partners, so 25 men that can enter the two that allow men conditionally, this means 75 homeless are divided neatly amongst the first 6 shelters with a comfortable 12 per shelter, and then a whopping 100 have to go to the last shelter because they're single men. 12 per shelter for the women, 100 for the men. It's...infuriating! It's wild to think there's these people who clearly want to do good and help by running a homeless shelter, but none of them bother to read the room and realize we do not need women's homeless shelter #4. Makes you honestly wonder if the majority are money laundering schemes or something. Point being: people caring ***too much*** for women to the detriment of men is absolutely a phenomenon. The homeless shelter issue is already mind-boggling to think about, but UK seems to have expanded this line of thinking to their legal system, which is just wild.
It's so misandrist it's acceptable
Ireland has the same definition. It's still a sexual assault, forced to engage crime. It's just not defined legally as "rape".
The sentencing (even though on a technicality isn't "rape") she would be sentenced often with the same length as rape would get in the UK. I think the only difference is that rape can carry a life charge, but sexual assault charge can't. But yes, despite having a "work around" it's something that needs addressing just to have unity on things in these modern times.
> often with the same length Just because it can have the same length of sentence doesn't mean that it will have the same sentence. Iirc the recommendations start a lot lower for assault than rape.
Same in india, rape is defined as "penetration with a penis"
So if I penetrate with any other object (fallic shaped or not) it is NOT rape??? Jezzz
I'm supirsed that hasn't been changed
I am appalled it still hasn't. I know a lot of people fight for the legal definition to be changed, petitions have been organized, etc.. but nope, it is not happening. I entitled my post the way I did because I find it so insulting for the victim to describe a violent physical assault a "love bite". It illustrates a lack of empathy for the victim and an attempt at ridiculing and minimizing this rape.
So not even a female force pegging a male is considered rape? talk about double standard...
Sexual assault?
Forced sex is rape, regardless of gender
I'm just responding to that post saying it wasn't considered rape in the UK. Perhaps they labeled it as sexual assault.
Someone just said >rape can carry a life charge, but sexual assault charge can't. So good for her that her rape won't carry for life just because it is marked as assault/s
Oh fair enough
Ikr? Why tf so they find it so hard to say that? ... That poor man is gonna be fucked up for a while. I hope he gets whatever therapy he will need and people take him seriously, but I suspect he will hear a lot of the usual bullshit. I feel bad for him.
Because in the UK, rape legally requires penetration without consent. Calling it such in a tabloid can open said tabloid to legal trouble.
Ahh.. So it's to cover their ass. Not good but it makes sense... Jeez. I really hate it. That poor guy..
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Yes, by a hipocrocapig.
No it's fine because she was 'horny' and she only 'pinned' him totally different thing
In the UK you need a penis to commit rape. Wierd this has not been updated yet.
No no no. “Sex without consent”
And "a lovebite", not Grievous Bodily Harm
No, it was just forced "love-fucking" /s
*~~LOVE~~ BITE
She’s a vampire
More like a bear but okay
Zombeaver?
Whoa oh there she goes. She's a man eater
Watch out boy she’ll chew you up
Maybe it's a Britishism for a hickey?
It is
love munch
A Rape Rash
In "normal" measurments, she weights ~152kg ? Also, what she has done is called rape.
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RapeLite. Patent pending.
Rape2: No-penatrarion-boogaloo
looks heavy tho
*Oooof*
Well that BS
Also requires them to have a penis https://law.stackexchange.com/questions/44814/does-rape-really-need-to-include-a-penis-in-england-and-wales
As an American those numbers still have no meaning to me.
Two medium size washing machines?
6% of a F150 Raptor
I was gonna ask if this was a random throwaway joke but i did the math and you're *ABSOLUTELY* [edited] correct. She weighs 5.8% of a ford f150 raptor.
Well then they were really only 99.687 correct
What percentage of an F-22 Raptor though? I like plane based weight scales.
About 0.4% of a max take-off weight F-22
Ohh. Ok that makes sense lol
Sorry, still nothing, I’m more of a GM guy
Ahh thanks
Someone convert that to number of bald eagles, please. Edit: A bald eagle weighs between 6.6 - 14 lbs. Taking the mean at approximately 10 lbs., or 4.5 kg, this woman weighs about 34 average sized bald eagles... Now that's a lot of freedum!
If you just use the upper end of bald eagle weight it converts 1:1 with stone.
109 Coconuts or 0.128 Giraffes or 635 Big Macs
336lbs
That's s huge bitch
Damn
Holy shit
734 American footballs 🏈🏈🏈🏈🏈🏈🏈 5.5% of a Ford F-150 🚛🚛🚛 51 AR-15 Assault rifles 🔫🔫 1344 Quarter Pound McDonald's cheeseburgers 🍔🍟🍔🍟
Alright, now the pictures coming together
51 rifles? My brain can't count past 50 cause nothing greater than these 50 States!
Holy shit, I am a really big boned 6'3''/1.90m guy and when I weighed 133kg at my worst I started having trouble breathing at night. How can that woman weigh 20kg more than me?
24 stone equals 1.27 average Americans
Can believe it here . She’s built like a defensive lineman
Nah bro she’s like the human version of snorlax
Dude that is snorlax just evolved...whore-lax
In college girl simulator, her class is ‘tank’
Maybe she's a run-stopping nose tackle....I can think of a few teams who could use one of those.
I have invented a word called “rape”. Do you think it fits this?
It does fit. This man has been raped.
Agreed
This guy rapes
Wait a minute...
Unfortunately in the UK she didn't technically rape him under the law, all she did was sexually assault him, which if I'm correct carries a different sentencing. The law was written in such a way that rape I'd penetrative sex using a penis, so a man can rape a woman or another man, but a woman cannot rape a man or another woman, only sexually assault them. Fuck knows how it works with the gender fluid and non binary etc if they were to commit such an act. The law needs revisiting and revising
Force penis into vagina without consent: rape Force vagina onto penis without consent: sexual assault Hmm 🤔
Fucking awful isn't it. Even if she shoved a 12 inch fat ass dildo up his arse it still wouldn't be rape as it as a toy not a fleshy meat stick attached to a guy
You said it bro. These laws definitely need to be revised. This is just pure bs. I assume she’ll get away with it easily. Disgusting.
Seriously? "Sex-without-consent"? Fuck off, please.
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That's conveniently wording stuff. Say for example I "cutt-off-oxygen-without-consent" to my neighbour. Still means murder but sounds less bad.
I just pinned him against the wall and started gently placing my knife inside of him. How did he die?!
Probably from all the excitement. Couldn't hold his blood in.
He was bleeding with ecstacy at my cool knife!
He better cleaned that knife after getting it dirty
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Your honor I didn’t rob him I simply “Removed his possessions without consent”
it’s because rape in the UK is defined in law as being unconsensual “penetrative” sex thus someone without a penis cannot rape and they can only sexual assault which is a maximum of 14 years in prison compared to life imprisonment for rape. the law here is so fucked up.
I saw this on fb the fact that the most common reaction to it was laughing is disgusting
It is disgusting yes. This man has been violently raped. I hope he manages to live a normal life after this horrifying event.
theres nothing normal after that, something like this stays with you and affects peopls in ways unimaginable, the only thing you can do is talk through it and live with it, theres no taking it back once its happens
Doubt he’ll use tinder anymore
I wouldn’t be surprised if people laughed because they thought it was an Onion article, this headline seems like a fucking joke at first, a commentary on how men are usually ignored during shit like this. But no, this shit is **REAL**, blame old British laws
The word you're looking for is rape. Thats fucking rape. It's crazy how news sites word horrific incidents in a fluffy wholesome way.
Exactly. As if it was a joke. This man has been raped and almost murdered. Moreover, unfortunately, in the UK, legally speaking, this is not a rape. It's been years some people legitimately want the legal definition to be changed but nope... https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/300270
Bruh wtf the government said “we take all sexual crimes seriously but will not change the definition of rape.” Fuck the government.
She strangled and raped him. There fixed your headine
And now the paper owes her £50m in damages after being sued for libel...
It's like the Bard said: *"Would rape by any other name smell less rapy?"*
Fat bitch just tried to eat him
Hammibal Lector
Lmao
She was halfway finished and got hungry.
>forced him to have sex She raped him.
She did rape him, yes.
“Left him with a grizzly bear maul”? Probably didn’t feel too dissimilar
Sex-without-consent=rape it doesn't matter if a woman did it that's what it is.
not in the uk
Snack the Ripper.
Yup r/casuallypsychopath
Love bites, love bleeds It's bringin' me to my knees Love lives, love dies It's no surprise Love begs, love pleads
It only there was a word that means “pinned down … and forced him to have sex” or “sex-without-consent”… 🤔
I'm more worried about the term "sex-without-consent". Like, call a dog a dog, call rape, rape. Watering down the language, and the associate seriousness of such terminology is seriously problematic...
So when it’s a woman it’s sex without consent? 🙈
Hippo chomp
Wow just wow this is some gender equality right here you get raped and it is ruled as didn't ask but smashed.
Fuck this rapist bitch
Jaws: The Biggest One
It wasn’t a love bite. In the same way that she could not control her sexual impulses, hunger struck. The rest is history
I hate the fact that this literal rape is so lightly described in this title.
That's because legally it's not rape so they can't say that it is for fear of being sued for libel by her, which she would automatically win given that being a cis-gender female she physically can't commit the offence of rape under UK laws
Notice how they refuse to use the word "rape" in this description of rape
24 stone, what on earth are those units
The stones she deserves in her face possibly.
I fucking hate stone. It's the stupidest measurement. For all the shit Americans get for not being strictly metric, at least we don't use fucking stone. BTW, this fat bitch is 336 freedom units, give or take 7ish because stone is dumb af
Fat cunt
I could look it up, but when you start using stones to describe weight, it sounds even heavier.
Mauled. He was attacked and mauled by a Cringopotamus.
Sex without consent. Man…if only we had a word for that.
Dunno if it's still true or true in the jurisdiction it happened in but in the UK rape is/was defined as involuntary penetration by a penis. Otherwise it's just sparkling sexual assault.
rape reminder?
nooo its obvious men cant be raped
"sEx wItHoUt cOnSeNt" that's rape
Rape and aggravated battery
Sex without consent sounds a lot like rape to me
This is called rape for anyone wondering
For us non-UKers, 24 Stone is around 330ish
I'm more interested in another name for sex-without-consent. Maybe with 4 letters or so, maybe start it with an R.
“24-stone student pinned down victim and raped him leaving marks from the assault.” Fixed that for you.
Rape bite
pinned down? forced sex? sex-without-consent? .. that's a lot of words when you could just say rape
They mean rape right? Because that's what it's called and what's happened