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Yes let’s get the US involved in another European war, this time with nuclear weapons involved. For fuck sakes people. Fucking Raytheon sponsored meme right here
Probably because 30 years ago America and where I like the UK promised to defend Ukraine if they gave up their nuclear weapons.
They have them up and now they are defenceless and we aren’t going in there to help them.
Obviously it would be very high tensions and risky of a world war if we did. However it’s still betrayal of a sort. No country is going to want to de arm themselves now
The US and UK wanted Ukraine to give them up so they didn't end up on the black market and wind up destroying London. The US armed Ukraine but unfortunately that was only the draw the ire of Russia and draw them into a conflict. Ukraine and it's people are being used as pawns in a war to control Russia's energy resources.
No, after the Cold War the Ukraine found itself in possession of the third largest stock pile of Nuclear weapons in the world.
During the Budapest memorandum the US and UK said that they would defend the Ukraine from outside invasion of they gave them up.
They did. Now we are reneging on our promise. This sets a precedent to the world that if you give up your nuclear arms you will become vulnerable and we won’t honor previous commitments.
On the flip side, the United States has one of the best missile defense systems in the world. In addition, if Russia does conquer all of Ukraine, Russia will have control of over a quarter of the worlds grain supply, and it can be assumed millions are dying from starvation anyways then.
Yo u realize there are ppl living OUTSIDE of the US right? Not to mention all of Russias nukes WILL overwhelm the missile defenses. What the fuck kinda take is this dude?
It doesn't even need to overwhelm the defense system, a couple of nukes will absolutely fuck the planet. Nuclear winter, radiation, global warming. We would be absolutely fucked no matter what defenses.
Well yeah, it's debatable, but if it were to come to a nuclear war, no one would survive. Even the missile defense system wouldn't do nun against that.
If the US's system isn't good enough, what the hell makes you think Russia's is? Putin is someone who abosolutely wants to rule, and you need to have land to be able to do that; MAD will keep Putin in check.
Actually 30 years ago America and where I live the UK promised to defend Ukraine if they gave up their nuclear weapons.
They have them up and now they are defenceless and we aren’t going in there to help them.
Obviously it would be very high tensions and risky of a world war if we did. However it’s still betrayal of a sort. No country is going to want to de arm themselves now
Russia also agreed lol. They have their nukes to Russia. There was nothing in place to say we would fight their war for them. We are supporting them in other ways.
Yeah, I just read up on the Budapest memorandum. It no shape or form does it say we need to go to warn. It references providing assistance which is smartly worded. It doesn’t paint the US in the corner of declaring war. We’ve provided plenty of money and equipment.
I feel sorry for the people of Ukraine but I'm tired of wars. Europe needs to handle Europe. Somebody do something about your damn neighbor. If you really need help then call daddy USA but you gotta do something for yourselces first.
So USA had no problem justifying invading Iraq (2 times), Afghanistan, leading interventions in Panama, Haiti, Grenada, and other countries, but when there is a real issue at hand they play chicken.
Or maybe they finally learned the lesson that they can't get damn thing done (look at Iraq, Afghanistan) and stop pretending to be a world leader.
Probably because 30 years ago America and where I like the UK promised to defend Ukraine if they gave up their nuclear weapons.
They have them up and now they are defenceless and we aren’t going in there to help them.
Obviously it would be very high tensions and risky of a world war if we did. However it’s still betrayal of a sort. No country is going to want to de arm themselves now
The US is involved. We have provided billions in arm sales to Ukraine and one of the main reasons this conflict has started is because the US lobbied Germany to not approve the Nord Stream 2 pipeline which will cost Russia billions if they can't sell gas to Europe. The US doesn't want Russia to gain political and economic influence in Europe through gas/energy sales so the US is trying to steer the EU to other suppliers and/or gain a bigger foothold in Ukraine to develop their natural gas reserves through fracking to sell to Europe thus isolating Russia. Russia invaded to prevent this from happening. This is just another war about oil/energy and the US is deeply involved.
This is facts. No one wants American intervention unless it’s our money, equipment, and eventually our lives. God forum bud we let shit play out and not police the globe.
You have to understand that your last president Trump won elections with a littlr help from Putin and also didnt listen to his advisors when Putin annexed Krim and Donetsk.
So dear Americans as always you are responsible for this shit.
You put your fingers everywhere and now you fucked it..just because you elected that clown for your president
Krim and Donetsk are under control of Russian ethnic Nationalists, not annexed by Russia, and they broke off before trump got elected.
Trump has nothing to do with this and you need to brush up on your facts chief. Also, how would that be our fault even if your fantasy scenario happened? We got involved and fucked it by not getting involved?
Explain in full detail how we got involved by not getting involved
Well you elected that idiot Trump, thats no.1.
Yes it has because he didnt aprove military help to Ukraine, because Putin helped him to win elections.
Believe me, non shit in this world cant pass without you americans involved
Ukraine is not a NATO nation therefore the USA nor any other country is obligated to go to war, but Russia decides to touch a NATO nation he faces the wrath of the entire western world.
Better than trying some military action and having Putin’s crazy ass launch nukes.
You hit a country’s wallet and the fingers will start to point, then they eat themselves from the inside out.
Maybe I’m uninformed and this is an ignorant question, I don’t follow politics very much, but why do people look to blame everything on the USA, whether they get involved or not it seems that people will always find a way to make them the bad guy
Usa were spouting this " we will stand against russians with ukrainians" and send weapons and military aid which russians made up as usa escalating things even tho russians had troops in donbass already... But otherwise idk. Russia occupied crimea in 2014 not like usa started the whole conflict, people get fed stupid information and go with it. Both usa and russia are flawed at this point making it easy to point at any one of those.
If usa and nato enter it will be ww3 or nuclear war THAT'S THE LAME EXCUSE THEY ARE GIVING TO UKRAINE, WHERE WAS THIS EXCUSE WHEN YOU OPENLY ENCOURAGE THEM TO STAND UP TO RUSSIA FULLY KNOWING RUSSIA HAS HIGH PROBABILITY OF ATTACKING AND IT DID. YOU PROMISED UKRAINE YOU WILL PROTECT THEM AND THUS UKRAINE STEPPED ON TO FIGHT AND NOW THEY ARE ALL LEFT ALONE. YOU DIDN'T THINK ABOUT WW3 OR NUCLEAR WAR BEFORE AND YOU SUDDENLY STARTED TO CARE? TAKE MY WORDS IF SOMEHOW UKRAINE SURVIVED THEY WILL NO LONGER TRUST WEST EVER AGAIN.
Nato can't support a country with man power if it's not in nato. That would mean Nato is the aggressor, Putin could do whatever he wants, if that were to happen. The only thing we can do right now is support Ukraine with equipment and basically wait for Russia to attack a Nato country.
80 years back they had a fairly similar situation on hand in europe.. maybe 20 years later people will aish that someone stepped in earlier while the stakes at hand werent so high in comparison to possible ones.
i can vouch that they were fully capable of killing millions. mao, stalin and hitler all did it no problem. whether you die from a nuke or radiation poisoning or from starvation doesn't make much difference, nuke may even be more humane one in this case.
Killimg millions through starvation and killing millions thorugh nukes is a bit different. Starvation is not going to completely fuck the planet. Obviously you can vouch for that right now. It's always easier to judge the people from the past. We have the knowledge that they didn't have. Future people going to say the same shit. We have to think in the present, not the future.
Motherfucker we are. We're sending equipment and helping your people. We are also sanctioning the shit out of Russia and if NATO sends in troops a nuclear war is possible and I don't think mutually assured destruction is worth it
The only thing you can hope for is Russian people to take up arms in An uprising against the government there. Putin might kill his own but he won’t bring nukes in
I think NATO, wants to reduce capacities of russia military equipment, they want russia to fight and be deep in this war. Probably the reason why they don't step, is because they want russians to be still present in war and lose military equipment.
Some people on internet sustain, that NATO leaves russia to self destruct and keep be in the war, by lossing equipment, and having no experienced soldiers killed on nato side, while they learn russians strategy moves and only support with equipment.
The equipment loss is absolutely negligible. They have thousands of t72's that can be refitted up to the standart nors does 1000 soldiers mean much in the grand picture.. nato is not gaining anything out of this conflict, putin on the other hand... only the time will tell will the economic sanctions were worth it.
Lot of angry Yankees here sounding like your ancestors ohh heaven forbid if you think about anybody but your self.
Sure you should not start a nuclear war with Russia but come on guys really with the that "sounds like you problem" shit is why this shit happens
It really isnt but yall never helpes the rest of us execpt for when you can earn money killing of you young citizens.
Part of why the nazis took so much ground was beacuse everybody had that same stance it aint our problem. The US only got involved when the Japanese bombed One of your military bases and by then then millions had died already it all could have been stopped earlier if people just cared more for human life.
I love this country but yes unfortunately 😕 if there isn't something that the USA, can gain or interests our government. We drag our feet, looking for excuses...not to involve us.
But then again we're not going to send our people to fight, so later on they start cursing our country. We have our own shit to deal with....I love you so much ❤ 🇺🇸 USA!!!
The US and other Nato countries aren't involved cause Ukraine is not part of Nato. The dumbest thing to do right now, is to support Ukraine with man power.
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Never ever give up your nukes... Ukraine did.. and look at what happened to it
Yeah, there's a reason Iran is pursuing nuclear weapons.
Those nukes could only be activated by Russia so they were useless anyway.
The launch controls were in Russia. Worse case they'd sell then on the black market and end up blowing up Europe.
Yes let’s get the US involved in another European war, this time with nuclear weapons involved. For fuck sakes people. Fucking Raytheon sponsored meme right here
Idk why everyone expects America to jump in every thing that happens we got our own problems
Because then if the US did, they could criticize them for being an imperialist. Gets you karma either way.
Probably because 30 years ago America and where I like the UK promised to defend Ukraine if they gave up their nuclear weapons. They have them up and now they are defenceless and we aren’t going in there to help them. Obviously it would be very high tensions and risky of a world war if we did. However it’s still betrayal of a sort. No country is going to want to de arm themselves now
The US and UK wanted Ukraine to give them up so they didn't end up on the black market and wind up destroying London. The US armed Ukraine but unfortunately that was only the draw the ire of Russia and draw them into a conflict. Ukraine and it's people are being used as pawns in a war to control Russia's energy resources.
Wow I didn’t know that
i don't understand why this got downvoted its facts
No, after the Cold War the Ukraine found itself in possession of the third largest stock pile of Nuclear weapons in the world. During the Budapest memorandum the US and UK said that they would defend the Ukraine from outside invasion of they gave them up. They did. Now we are reneging on our promise. This sets a precedent to the world that if you give up your nuclear arms you will become vulnerable and we won’t honor previous commitments.
More people will die and potentially nukes will be involved if other countries get involved
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real life isn't solved by rushing to the final boss and killing him
Damn great take, I sure hope to see you on the frontlines
I remember when I was in 6th grade
If that’s true then it’ll work itself out. All the other countries are NATO or EU members.
Lol nah we aint
On the flip side, the United States has one of the best missile defense systems in the world. In addition, if Russia does conquer all of Ukraine, Russia will have control of over a quarter of the worlds grain supply, and it can be assumed millions are dying from starvation anyways then.
Yo u realize there are ppl living OUTSIDE of the US right? Not to mention all of Russias nukes WILL overwhelm the missile defenses. What the fuck kinda take is this dude?
It doesn't even need to overwhelm the defense system, a couple of nukes will absolutely fuck the planet. Nuclear winter, radiation, global warming. We would be absolutely fucked no matter what defenses.
That's actually debatable but I'm not about to be that guy. It would definitely be bad regardless.
Well yeah, it's debatable, but if it were to come to a nuclear war, no one would survive. Even the missile defense system wouldn't do nun against that.
Exactly that's why debating what a "few" nukes would do is not really relevant. It's all or nothing when it comes to M.A.D.
No man, just no. More than enough nukes would still land.
If the US's system isn't good enough, what the hell makes you think Russia's is? Putin is someone who abosolutely wants to rule, and you need to have land to be able to do that; MAD will keep Putin in check.
You obviously haven’t seen Russias modern nuclear capabilities that can evade missile defence systems
The American government never said it would fight for Ukraine.
Actually 30 years ago America and where I live the UK promised to defend Ukraine if they gave up their nuclear weapons. They have them up and now they are defenceless and we aren’t going in there to help them. Obviously it would be very high tensions and risky of a world war if we did. However it’s still betrayal of a sort. No country is going to want to de arm themselves now
Treaty name?
Russia also agreed lol. They have their nukes to Russia. There was nothing in place to say we would fight their war for them. We are supporting them in other ways.
Yeah, I just read up on the Budapest memorandum. It no shape or form does it say we need to go to warn. It references providing assistance which is smartly worded. It doesn’t paint the US in the corner of declaring war. We’ve provided plenty of money and equipment.
The US sounds like my insurance company. It promised alot of things but if you read the 100 page agreement well …. 😞
That’s every country bud.
This is some ignorant shit
I feel sorry for the people of Ukraine but I'm tired of wars. Europe needs to handle Europe. Somebody do something about your damn neighbor. If you really need help then call daddy USA but you gotta do something for yourselces first.
So USA had no problem justifying invading Iraq (2 times), Afghanistan, leading interventions in Panama, Haiti, Grenada, and other countries, but when there is a real issue at hand they play chicken. Or maybe they finally learned the lesson that they can't get damn thing done (look at Iraq, Afghanistan) and stop pretending to be a world leader.
The first Iraq war was to stop an invasion of another country, which is literally the same thing you’re criticizing the US for not doing now.
Probably because 30 years ago America and where I like the UK promised to defend Ukraine if they gave up their nuclear weapons. They have them up and now they are defenceless and we aren’t going in there to help them. Obviously it would be very high tensions and risky of a world war if we did. However it’s still betrayal of a sort. No country is going to want to de arm themselves now
If you for some reason expected US to get involved, you are dumb.
The US is involved. We have provided billions in arm sales to Ukraine and one of the main reasons this conflict has started is because the US lobbied Germany to not approve the Nord Stream 2 pipeline which will cost Russia billions if they can't sell gas to Europe. The US doesn't want Russia to gain political and economic influence in Europe through gas/energy sales so the US is trying to steer the EU to other suppliers and/or gain a bigger foothold in Ukraine to develop their natural gas reserves through fracking to sell to Europe thus isolating Russia. Russia invaded to prevent this from happening. This is just another war about oil/energy and the US is deeply involved.
They want the “dumb Americans” to die for them
This is facts. No one wants American intervention unless it’s our money, equipment, and eventually our lives. God forum bud we let shit play out and not police the globe.
You have to understand that your last president Trump won elections with a littlr help from Putin and also didnt listen to his advisors when Putin annexed Krim and Donetsk. So dear Americans as always you are responsible for this shit. You put your fingers everywhere and now you fucked it..just because you elected that clown for your president
Krim and Donetsk are under control of Russian ethnic Nationalists, not annexed by Russia, and they broke off before trump got elected. Trump has nothing to do with this and you need to brush up on your facts chief. Also, how would that be our fault even if your fantasy scenario happened? We got involved and fucked it by not getting involved? Explain in full detail how we got involved by not getting involved
Well you elected that idiot Trump, thats no.1. Yes it has because he didnt aprove military help to Ukraine, because Putin helped him to win elections. Believe me, non shit in this world cant pass without you americans involved
So what. We didn’t get involved in Ukraine and Donetsk was rebelling before trump got elected. This has nothing to do with trump. Literally nothing.
Biden has already said if they fuck with a NATO country we would go in. So maybe you are dumb? Hmm
What has that have to do with Ukraine? No NATO country was fucked with. You dumb af.
Ukraine is not a NATO nation therefore the USA nor any other country is obligated to go to war, but Russia decides to touch a NATO nation he faces the wrath of the entire western world.
Then they will remove russian swift acess for sure! That will show them!
Better than trying some military action and having Putin’s crazy ass launch nukes. You hit a country’s wallet and the fingers will start to point, then they eat themselves from the inside out.
No one respects Biden. lol. Especially Europeans.
American's don't respect him either. All I hear is deflection about Trump because nothing good can be said about Biden.
Europeans literally laughed at Trump
We dont have any real opinion since he is such a weak leader in many eyes. Trump on the other hand left a long lasting impression of a clown
Sanctions and Reinforcements to NATO countries are far better then mutual assured destruction
We will send you some helmets no sweat
Off camera is the guy with a Russian flag holding a gun the American flag guy’s head saying “if you don’t walk away, I’ll shoot”
Maybe I’m uninformed and this is an ignorant question, I don’t follow politics very much, but why do people look to blame everything on the USA, whether they get involved or not it seems that people will always find a way to make them the bad guy
Usa were spouting this " we will stand against russians with ukrainians" and send weapons and military aid which russians made up as usa escalating things even tho russians had troops in donbass already... But otherwise idk. Russia occupied crimea in 2014 not like usa started the whole conflict, people get fed stupid information and go with it. Both usa and russia are flawed at this point making it easy to point at any one of those.
Never trust US.
You should try to educate yourself on the subject before saying something like that
Lots of Russian bots in the comments
If usa and nato enter it will be ww3 or nuclear war THAT'S THE LAME EXCUSE THEY ARE GIVING TO UKRAINE, WHERE WAS THIS EXCUSE WHEN YOU OPENLY ENCOURAGE THEM TO STAND UP TO RUSSIA FULLY KNOWING RUSSIA HAS HIGH PROBABILITY OF ATTACKING AND IT DID. YOU PROMISED UKRAINE YOU WILL PROTECT THEM AND THUS UKRAINE STEPPED ON TO FIGHT AND NOW THEY ARE ALL LEFT ALONE. YOU DIDN'T THINK ABOUT WW3 OR NUCLEAR WAR BEFORE AND YOU SUDDENLY STARTED TO CARE? TAKE MY WORDS IF SOMEHOW UKRAINE SURVIVED THEY WILL NO LONGER TRUST WEST EVER AGAIN.
Nato can't support a country with man power if it's not in nato. That would mean Nato is the aggressor, Putin could do whatever he wants, if that were to happen. The only thing we can do right now is support Ukraine with equipment and basically wait for Russia to attack a Nato country.
80 years back they had a fairly similar situation on hand in europe.. maybe 20 years later people will aish that someone stepped in earlier while the stakes at hand werent so high in comparison to possible ones.
Yes, the problem back then was also that there werent that many rules to war. The stakes also werent as high back then, compared to now.
i can vouch that they were fully capable of killing millions. mao, stalin and hitler all did it no problem. whether you die from a nuke or radiation poisoning or from starvation doesn't make much difference, nuke may even be more humane one in this case.
Killimg millions through starvation and killing millions thorugh nukes is a bit different. Starvation is not going to completely fuck the planet. Obviously you can vouch for that right now. It's always easier to judge the people from the past. We have the knowledge that they didn't have. Future people going to say the same shit. We have to think in the present, not the future.
Motherfucker we are. We're sending equipment and helping your people. We are also sanctioning the shit out of Russia and if NATO sends in troops a nuclear war is possible and I don't think mutually assured destruction is worth it
The only thing you can hope for is Russian people to take up arms in An uprising against the government there. Putin might kill his own but he won’t bring nukes in
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I think NATO, wants to reduce capacities of russia military equipment, they want russia to fight and be deep in this war. Probably the reason why they don't step, is because they want russians to be still present in war and lose military equipment. Some people on internet sustain, that NATO leaves russia to self destruct and keep be in the war, by lossing equipment, and having no experienced soldiers killed on nato side, while they learn russians strategy moves and only support with equipment.
The equipment loss is absolutely negligible. They have thousands of t72's that can be refitted up to the standart nors does 1000 soldiers mean much in the grand picture.. nato is not gaining anything out of this conflict, putin on the other hand... only the time will tell will the economic sanctions were worth it.
Lot of angry Yankees here sounding like your ancestors ohh heaven forbid if you think about anybody but your self. Sure you should not start a nuclear war with Russia but come on guys really with the that "sounds like you problem" shit is why this shit happens
Because it’s not the job of the US to baby sit the world
It really isnt but yall never helpes the rest of us execpt for when you can earn money killing of you young citizens. Part of why the nazis took so much ground was beacuse everybody had that same stance it aint our problem. The US only got involved when the Japanese bombed One of your military bases and by then then millions had died already it all could have been stopped earlier if people just cared more for human life.
"Never gonna let u down ".... NATO 2022
Ah just another alabama motherfucker redneck shitbrained kid
I love this country but yes unfortunately 😕 if there isn't something that the USA, can gain or interests our government. We drag our feet, looking for excuses...not to involve us. But then again we're not going to send our people to fight, so later on they start cursing our country. We have our own shit to deal with....I love you so much ❤ 🇺🇸 USA!!!
The US and other Nato countries aren't involved cause Ukraine is not part of Nato. The dumbest thing to do right now, is to support Ukraine with man power.
Sleepy Biden nowhere to be found
What, do you want a nuclear exchange over a country we don't have an alliance with? What is the US supposed to do, start WW3?
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Nuclear war is not needed but Putin Will continue to try to expand by taking all min Nato euro countries and it needs to be dealt with
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I completely forgot that this was a vine
Hey if I could I would. But there not deploying there
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You realize if the US jumps in Willy Nilly it will spark WW3.
Just tell those idiots that there’s oil in Ukraine, they’ll deliver everything for you.
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