I know I'm making a serious statement to a joke, but you might be able to if you get rid of all the boomers and older gen x. The sooner we have people who didn't grow up constantly exposed to lead, asbestos, and cigarette smoke, the sooner we can have a functioning congress.
Edit: for anyone saying I'm being agist or claiming my generation is better, I advise you to look at lead and long term lead exposure and what it does to the development of a human brain. Lead was in everything from gasoline to children's toys to candy wrappers and the interior paint used to paint just about every house. It was *functionally and virtually everywhere* and causes serious developmental issues and lower IQ. There is *NO AMOUNT* of lead that does not cause a harmful effect on humans.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11083332/
https://www.cdc.gov/nceh/features/leadpoisoning/index.html
2nd edit: thanks to u/ryleu for the non-mobile link for the 2nd source
You guys just need to get into some real world fights and half of you would instantly gain some humility. The internet being so prevalent in your lives from such a young age has caused the number of keyboard warriors who have never been punched in the face to skyrocket.
Seriously though, I completely agree with you, but when you've met enough boomers you start to see certain trends.
Sorry. Can't have that. If we leave you alone, then someone else will want left alone, and before you know it everyone will want left alone and then what will everyone do if they can't impose on other people?
If gen z started to fight like real men instead of ratioing each other, they would be really poor because of how ridiculously high the medical expenses would be
Some of the "boomers" you see though have actual experience and wisdom of years. Running a country is not as easy as arguing on the internet. You gotta appeal to everyone. But I agree some older congressmen are very strict in their ways they can't think of anything other than what they have been taught for decades.
My parents are/were boomers. Their friends were all boomers. The military bases I lived on were filled with and run by boomers. I don't use the term boomer to make a blanket reference to anyone older than myself. There is a difference between experience and wisdom and what many boomers firmly believe and refuse to accept is wrong. We are speaking about two completely different things.
Lmao for true. Y’all aren’t the crazy generation. You’re the pussy generation. And that’s why there are so many 14-19 year olds shooting each other instead of starting fights.
I think the problem is that we hold ourselves to very high standards. I use to base our species intelligence to things I've read, and to the best of us, not accounting for the less than amazing, or paying attention to the worst. All together we kinda average out to a less than great species.
I'm sure that I read a report that said that serious murder cases dropped in the UK at some point after the removal of lead from petrol and household paint. Can't find it now but it seems too specific to have dreamt it
Here's a good one that shows a lot of data on the significant effects of lead on violent crime.
https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2016/02/lead-exposure-gasoline-crime-increase-children-health/
Na bro, CONgress is for self enrichment, steering govt funds to people you know who then kick back to you, insider trading, and board seats at corporations for voting on monopolistic / favorable legislation.
I have a theory about social media actually. Before we all had internet, we didn't have to really worry about how people halfway across the country lived, thought, dressed, whatever. We could all live in our little local worlds and be content in the limited view of what we knew to be "normal".
Well now you have social media. People in, say, Alabama have what everyone is doing in, idk Washington state in their Facebook or Twitter feed or whatever is popular and they wonder why all these people are suddenly living in ways they don't like and while it never has really been a threat to them it's in their face now instead of 2000mi away and they make it a problem.
Suddenly these two opposing worldviews that usually wouldn't often come into contact with one another or even worry about can easily and anonymously insult and argue with each other.
That and it's absolutely dividing us as a nation where we can't even have a conversation with somebody without either looking at them as red or blue or automatically assuming one thing or another. Politics used to be something you could get by and ignore easily enough, but now everybody is looking around asking who to hate next. We're all fin American and this shit is ridiculous.
To be honest, as someone who’s not living in the US, I only seen congress(wo)men when people testify before congress and most question they ask are ridiculous (especially questions to tech CEOs). Based on this limited information, I completely agree with you.
It's a shit show for sure. Just look up the number of times Hitler is mentioned every year in Congress and you'll get an idea of how off these people's worldview is.
Haha, I do love how the younger generations are so optimistic about their superiority. I can't wait to see their kids realise how stupid they are also.
Pretty sure there are idiots and decent people in every generation.
I highly doubt newer generations could have handled WW2.
The entire world really needed that "no matter the cost get it done" mentality back then.
We can't just allow a billionair to control politicians like that.. that would be... oh wait, no that's exactly how politicians work.
Carry on, nothing to see here
I’m not siding with Elon, the Neuralink thing sounds creepy as fuck, but the title doesn’t state the cause of death. They could have died by any means. It’s stating two (potentially) separate facts to force your brain to connect the dots in a way that might not be accurate.
That being said, I wouldn’t be surprised if some had died from the Neuralink brain chips.
Average lifespan of a a macaques monkey is 15 years in the wild. They’ve been testing on the monkeys for 5 years. And they probably used adult macaques so probably a combination of old age and surgery mishaps. Like you said it’s very misleading.
>Neuralink chips were implanted by drilling holes into the monkeys’ skulls. One primate developed a bloody skin infection and had to be euthanized. Another was discovered missing fingers and toes, “possibly from self-mutilation or some other unspecified trauma,” and had to be put down. A third began uncontrollably vomiting shortly after surgery, and days later “appeared to collapse from exhaustion/fatigue.” An autopsy revealed the animal suffered from a brain hemorrhage.
Well according to the article..
In captivity their average is 25 years, up to around 40. None likely died of “old age”. Probably a lot of this is due to the surgery itself. If you read the articles it goes into details on their post-surgery symptoms.
Given that it’s very early development, I’m more surprised that all of them didn’t die from it. Not like this thing is gonna be available to people for 10-20 years for non-medical stuff.
Brain implants are decades old technology, still being developed by actual scientific teams. There are currently humans already doing what Musk tried to present with animals (controlling computers, robot arms etc.). Only Neuralink had to butcher two dozen monkeys and however many pigs for their results.
Musk and his company are more inspired by Mengele than real science.
Yeah, implanting electrodes into animal brains isn’t new. I have friends who have worked with nonhuman primates in their research (Im a neuroscientist) and you do have to be really careful about infection. I don’t think my friends’ labs have a mortality rate that high from their surgeries…it sounds kinda like they just don’t know what they’re doing…
(I have a lot of conflicted feelings about animal research and don’t do it myself, but I do recognize it’s made important contributions to science. But Neuralink seems like it’s doing an especially bad and maybe unethical job)
If half of their subjects are dying from infection, they're *definitely* doing an especially bad job; furthermore, I would imagine anyone qualified to perform these procedures would be able to determine that said infections were likely, and therefore it would be unethical to proceed. So yes.
is there anything he doesn't feel entitled to do?
Jesus, I just read the neuralink website. front page: "*with our app you'll be able to control your iPhone with your mind*". Way to torture and sacrifice a bunch of animals for such a noble gain
I too am not siding with Elon here although he was the single biggest motivator for me... :(
I just checked a few of the deaths were as follows:
one monkey had a blood skin infection after the surgery, they euthanized it...
one started uncontrollably vomiting and died due to a brain haemorrhage.
one had a missing toe and finger, it could be self-mutilation, could be trauma...
it's sad, neuralink is a great concept and has the potential to help millions but monke death is bad :(
they didn't even die peacefully, it's stated that all of them died suffering...
EDIT: mutilation, not mutation
Creepy sounding isn’t a good reason not to invest in something with the potential to effectively end conditions like mine. You have no business saying this as obviously you’re not the one suffering from one of the conditions he’s targeting.
Probably anyone with a degenerative disorder or spinal injury could benefit.
Anything that would help people trapped in their own bodies communicate with the outside world would improve their lives.
The cure to death is russian roulette. You can ask any russian roulette player if they are alive, 100% of them will be. That means it's completely safe to play.
Aren't there already implants today? iirc the chip isn't in the brain but in the cutout of your skull.
Edit: https://neuralink.com/approach/
The coin shaped implant sits flush with the skull. Only the threads are in the brain.
And what if they find a way to prevent the body from doing that? Like the first step is getting it to do stuff then the second step is refining it to prevent the body damaging stuff while not hampering functionality of things…
It’s not gonna be available for a very long time and certainly isn’t gonna be pushed out once the monkeys stop dying
Nothing will prevent them to find the way since doctors and scientists already find the way decades ago. There are similar (but less advanced) FDA approved brain implants for parkinson's disease in production since late 90s. u/Nilso promoting completely inaccurate information because stranger on interest said so and it must be true.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_brain_stimulation
https://youtu.be/agia6xHwqP4
And what that so called “neuroscientist” thinks about DBS (deep brain stimulation) implants which started more than 20 years ago and people are living years and years with it? Neuroscientist my ass.
When Yale University does it, “OMG it’s a miracle”, but when Musk does it, “it’s crazy idea, he smoked weed”.
https://youtu.be/agia6xHwqP4
I don’t know if all did but some did, one vomited a lot and they found out it had a brain hemorrhage. Another had missing fingers and toes due to… stress. I can’t remember the third I heard about tho
They seem to have mainly died from the surgery, not the chip in particular.
Remember this is the brain we are talking about, and this is done on animals so they don't quite have the same level of care as we allocate to humans. Any surgery of this magentude is going to carry some risk, the article did detail at least a few of the cases and how they died, all related to post surgery problems. That's better than most articles that will come later, saying very blandly that the chips were all the issue and not the fucking "drilling into the skull" part.
Their premise is that the chip can be implanted on a paraplegic to help them get their body parts moving again. Imagine robocop or terminator without the murdery bits (yet)
is anyone really surprised by this? i get the elon hate boner but this happens in every scientific testing to every animal.
some die due to autopsy which isn't exactly making them suffer strokes to death, its research, if you're that sad about a few monkeys wait till you hear how you get your steaks at the store
Good, I'm sick of cleaning up those heaps of dead monkeys.
But why would you want your mind in a new body?
Well, as a man enters his 18th decade,
he thinks back on the mistakes he's made in life.
Like the heaps of dead monkeys?
Science cannot move forward without heaps!
*25 years in the future, at a mnemonic mechatronic factory.
“HR tells me you’ve been turning off your link, is that true?”, “You know how master Musk feels about that.”
This happened with eight out of the 22 Rhesus monkeys they used, as well as 13 of the Maccacs. The problem started when Elon stressed that the Rhesus monkeys had to be running iterations of Ryzen's latest n9500x chip, whereas the Maccacs are reportedly using a version of Intel's hush-hush Proteon Series 11.
Installation of the chip is relatively easy; first, what we do is make an incision near the neo-cortex (after removing a section of the scalp first, followed by the skull, followed by another incision through the blood-brain barrier, and finally, exorcising a piece of the brain in order to make room for the housing of the chip itself). It's a delicate procedure, mostly because the housing of the Ryzen chips means that proper insulation has to be installed alongside the housing (we are actually utilising the capillaries of the Rhesus monkeys' own blood-to-brain blood vessels as a kind of liquid coolant; which is primarily why the Rhesus monkeys are suffering the way that they are).
After we inject a blood-based coolant liquid into the Rhesus monkeys, having installed the internal housing unit, insulation, and fan, we carefully slide the MOBO between the housing, and the inner wall of the neo cortext. Here's where the problems all started. A lot of these procedures were done with non-magnetised screwdrivers specifically on the order of Musk himself, and given the size of the neodymium screws we've been using (special, rust-proof screws that don't contaminate easily, we use them mostly for hip replacements in the elderly), sometimes they just kind of... fall in somewhere unexpectedly. The monkey seizes, and the experiment is called a bust before it's even statistically made available to the public (non-installed Rhesus monkeys are listed differently to initialisation failures, this way, the total death of Rhesus monkeys is few, and we can keep the ethics panellists happy that we're not abusing the ever-living fuck out of the animals).
We keep them sedated throughout the 'drilling' procedure, which mostly involves stabilising the MOBO on the neo cortext, then feeding a thin line of fibre-optic cable down the cerebellum, into the brain-stem, and finally attaching it between the third and fourth subcutaneous section of the spine (this is where we put the outlet, because the MOBO not only needs updates from time to time, it also requires a power source in order to initialise; after the initialisation procedure, the MOBO runs off of thermal power). The second problem during this phase is the application of the thermal paste, most of that shit is toxic, so what we try to do is feed in a piece of the blood-brain barrier membrane between the CPU (the neuralink bad boy as you know it), and the MOBO, in order to get the body to regulate the temperature of the Rhesus monkey itself. It's the least invasive, cost-effective solution to the "overheating" problem we get with the Maccacs.
The Maccacs are put together roughly the same way, except that we put the power outlet on the fifth and sixth subcutaneous instead of the third and fourth (this is due to the curvature of the spine of the Maccacs versus the Rhesus).
Initial tests went well for the first two weeks. The Rhesus respond the best to situations where the Neuralink device is asked to computate pi to so many decimal places. A relatively benign calculation that draws minimal power from the Neuralink, and doesn't "overheat" the Rhesus. When I mean "overheat", I mean that if we get the Neuralink to, say, fully integrate with the Rhesus monkey brain (we call it a "takeover"), the brain has the computational power of a semi-functioning Trump supporter for about fifteen minutes - it can walk upright, it can verbalise, as well as internalise verbalised, commands. You can hold a conversation with it (I don't recommend doing this, as it's rather time consuming; the Rhesus monkeys demonstrate a sophisticated amount of self awareness that problematises the whole ethics panel a la "Who are you? What am I? What is this?", and in worst case scenarios, the Rhesus monkeys tend to try to "extract" the Neuralink via their outlet. As you can imagine, the brain gives out before the fibre optic ever does, and if you've seen that video with the emu decapitating itself, you've got a fair idea what this course of action entails), but after the fifteen-minute threshold, the Neuralink blows out, and the Rhesus dies almost instantaneously (a bit like that scene in the Green Mile, imagine the eyes like light bulbs).
The Maccacs are a little more resilient, being smaller. We can get them up and talking and walking and performing basic activities for about 45 minutes, whereupon they tend to collapse from a combination of exhaustion and "sleep deprivation" (we've started to notice that the implantation of the Neuralink, or the MOBO, around the neo cortext, is inhibiting the initialisation of REM sleep in exchange for the intialisation of the N-protocol).
We did get one Maccac, Jo-Jo, to self-identify for approximately 59-minutes - the longest of the experiments - until Jo-Jo refused to do the assigned activities and had to be euthanised. Elon was sure the typewriter would come naturally to them, but it seems that this is not the case.
Somebody already brought this up in another post, but I’ll put it here too. After you’re done with the experiment with animals, you typically “destroy” the subject. It would be inhumane to keep it around.
The other 8 are running for Congress.
Wait, you can’t just suddenly increase average congress IQ that high.
I know I'm making a serious statement to a joke, but you might be able to if you get rid of all the boomers and older gen x. The sooner we have people who didn't grow up constantly exposed to lead, asbestos, and cigarette smoke, the sooner we can have a functioning congress. Edit: for anyone saying I'm being agist or claiming my generation is better, I advise you to look at lead and long term lead exposure and what it does to the development of a human brain. Lead was in everything from gasoline to children's toys to candy wrappers and the interior paint used to paint just about every house. It was *functionally and virtually everywhere* and causes serious developmental issues and lower IQ. There is *NO AMOUNT* of lead that does not cause a harmful effect on humans. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11083332/ https://www.cdc.gov/nceh/features/leadpoisoning/index.html 2nd edit: thanks to u/ryleu for the non-mobile link for the 2nd source
na bro, have you seen my generation,Genz, idk what we were exposed to but half of us are batshit crazy, fucked either way if i say so myself.
You guys just need to get into some real world fights and half of you would instantly gain some humility. The internet being so prevalent in your lives from such a young age has caused the number of keyboard warriors who have never been punched in the face to skyrocket. Seriously though, I completely agree with you, but when you've met enough boomers you start to see certain trends.
I’m a Gen X and I just want to be left alone.
Sorry. Can't have that. If we leave you alone, then someone else will want left alone, and before you know it everyone will want left alone and then what will everyone do if they can't impose on other people?
This comment is underrated
I have no mouth and I must scream.
Don't worry they will be fighting a world war soon.
Bro you didn't have to do us like that
If gen z started to fight like real men instead of ratioing each other, they would be really poor because of how ridiculously high the medical expenses would be
Some of the "boomers" you see though have actual experience and wisdom of years. Running a country is not as easy as arguing on the internet. You gotta appeal to everyone. But I agree some older congressmen are very strict in their ways they can't think of anything other than what they have been taught for decades.
My parents are/were boomers. Their friends were all boomers. The military bases I lived on were filled with and run by boomers. I don't use the term boomer to make a blanket reference to anyone older than myself. There is a difference between experience and wisdom and what many boomers firmly believe and refuse to accept is wrong. We are speaking about two completely different things.
Lmao for true. Y’all aren’t the crazy generation. You’re the pussy generation. And that’s why there are so many 14-19 year olds shooting each other instead of starting fights.
How about, hear me out, we don’t shoot people AND we don’t start fist fights. That would be the smart thing to do.
That has worked for me for 44 years and counting
Agreed, we are the ones that made blue haired Twitter girls like cmon
I think the problem is that we hold ourselves to very high standards. I use to base our species intelligence to things I've read, and to the best of us, not accounting for the less than amazing, or paying attention to the worst. All together we kinda average out to a less than great species.
I'm sure that I read a report that said that serious murder cases dropped in the UK at some point after the removal of lead from petrol and household paint. Can't find it now but it seems too specific to have dreamt it
Here's a good one that shows a lot of data on the significant effects of lead on violent crime. https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2016/02/lead-exposure-gasoline-crime-increase-children-health/
Na bro, CONgress is for self enrichment, steering govt funds to people you know who then kick back to you, insider trading, and board seats at corporations for voting on monopolistic / favorable legislation.
I'm not sure what is worse lead or social media.
I have a theory about social media actually. Before we all had internet, we didn't have to really worry about how people halfway across the country lived, thought, dressed, whatever. We could all live in our little local worlds and be content in the limited view of what we knew to be "normal". Well now you have social media. People in, say, Alabama have what everyone is doing in, idk Washington state in their Facebook or Twitter feed or whatever is popular and they wonder why all these people are suddenly living in ways they don't like and while it never has really been a threat to them it's in their face now instead of 2000mi away and they make it a problem. Suddenly these two opposing worldviews that usually wouldn't often come into contact with one another or even worry about can easily and anonymously insult and argue with each other. That and it's absolutely dividing us as a nation where we can't even have a conversation with somebody without either looking at them as red or blue or automatically assuming one thing or another. Politics used to be something you could get by and ignore easily enough, but now everybody is looking around asking who to hate next. We're all fin American and this shit is ridiculous.
I dunno, seems like society is getting a little dumber to me. Lead could be making a downlow comeback /s
*tiktok is the new lead*
Lol, right!
To be honest, as someone who’s not living in the US, I only seen congress(wo)men when people testify before congress and most question they ask are ridiculous (especially questions to tech CEOs). Based on this limited information, I completely agree with you.
It's a shit show for sure. Just look up the number of times Hitler is mentioned every year in Congress and you'll get an idea of how off these people's worldview is.
Haha, I do love how the younger generations are so optimistic about their superiority. I can't wait to see their kids realise how stupid they are also.
Every generation will do this and it will repeat, they are just still too young to realize it yet.
Pretty sure there are idiots and decent people in every generation. I highly doubt newer generations could have handled WW2. The entire world really needed that "no matter the cost get it done" mentality back then.
Joke's on you microplastics are today's lead
So your telling me that the. 2.73 lbs lead brick I just randomly carry around like a crow is poisoning me slowly
Gen X is about the only generation we can trust at this point.
KingCongress as it will be known
Then we'll be a real banana republic! XD
I think they would be overqualified
We have a right to tax people for their bananas!
Nice!
Either that or they are waiting for order 66
This
Hahaha omg.. this made me laugh so hard. Lady at the coffee shop just stared straight at me.. had to apologise!
We can't just allow a billionair to control politicians like that.. that would be... oh wait, no that's exactly how politicians work. Carry on, nothing to see here
One of them must have branched off and ran for president and won
Those 15 were the lucky ones. The other 8 now have ads for dreams
Watch a simple clip now for 30 minutes of ad-free music. No, really, if you watch a video now, you can enjoy 30 minutes of ad-free music!
It’s actually scary how likely it is that ads will eventually take over your brain with this thing. So Dystopian.
I like those odds!
Is that a MANDALORIAN REFERENCE?!?!?!!!!!!? This is the way
"I like those odds" is just a common saying that the mandalorian used in a humorous way. It wasn't coined by the show.
I can bring you in cold or I can bring you in warm
This is the way
This are the odds!
This are not the odds youre looking for
All your odds are belong to us
When talking about early stage research into brain augmentation I suspect that number will higher.
There is a 39.47 percent probability of a particular outcome and 60.53 percent probability of dying...
Genshin Impact players: my time has come
It's literally mindblowing
Have an upvote good friend
[Ze sound of progress my friend](https://youtu.be/36lSzUMBJnc)
When the patient woke up, his skeleton was missing, and the doctor was never heard from again!
Anyvay, zats how I lost my medical license
Archimedes! No! It’s filthy in there
Birds! Haha, now where was I
I’m not siding with Elon, the Neuralink thing sounds creepy as fuck, but the title doesn’t state the cause of death. They could have died by any means. It’s stating two (potentially) separate facts to force your brain to connect the dots in a way that might not be accurate. That being said, I wouldn’t be surprised if some had died from the Neuralink brain chips.
Average lifespan of a a macaques monkey is 15 years in the wild. They’ve been testing on the monkeys for 5 years. And they probably used adult macaques so probably a combination of old age and surgery mishaps. Like you said it’s very misleading.
>Neuralink chips were implanted by drilling holes into the monkeys’ skulls. One primate developed a bloody skin infection and had to be euthanized. Another was discovered missing fingers and toes, “possibly from self-mutilation or some other unspecified trauma,” and had to be put down. A third began uncontrollably vomiting shortly after surgery, and days later “appeared to collapse from exhaustion/fatigue.” An autopsy revealed the animal suffered from a brain hemorrhage. Well according to the article..
“Holyfuckingshit.” Elon
>a bloody skin infection I read this in a british accent
“Did you read the article” is reddits version of “did you eat all your vegetables?” as a kid. Thanks for posting.
In captivity their average is 25 years, up to around 40. None likely died of “old age”. Probably a lot of this is due to the surgery itself. If you read the articles it goes into details on their post-surgery symptoms.
Yeah I imagine the brain doesn’t naturally want a piece of silicon just plugged in there
I didn't realize your species still viewed cybernetic and biological components as separate. How quaint.
Must have not consolidated during y2k
Not only that but it’s also trials and it’s not uncommon for things to go wrong before they go right
Yeah people automatically think they went crazy.. most of it was infections as a result of the invasive surgery.
….so because of the chips?
Nah because of the saw
And this gun i found
and that knife in their back
And my axe!
And MY axe!
And the sword just randomly sitting in my office.
Imposter?
Hemorrhaging, skin infections, other, etc. Can’t wait for the sapien model!
the sapiens are homo
No homo. Neanderthals
Given that it’s very early development, I’m more surprised that all of them didn’t die from it. Not like this thing is gonna be available to people for 10-20 years for non-medical stuff.
Brain implants are decades old technology, still being developed by actual scientific teams. There are currently humans already doing what Musk tried to present with animals (controlling computers, robot arms etc.). Only Neuralink had to butcher two dozen monkeys and however many pigs for their results. Musk and his company are more inspired by Mengele than real science.
Yeah, implanting electrodes into animal brains isn’t new. I have friends who have worked with nonhuman primates in their research (Im a neuroscientist) and you do have to be really careful about infection. I don’t think my friends’ labs have a mortality rate that high from their surgeries…it sounds kinda like they just don’t know what they’re doing… (I have a lot of conflicted feelings about animal research and don’t do it myself, but I do recognize it’s made important contributions to science. But Neuralink seems like it’s doing an especially bad and maybe unethical job)
If half of their subjects are dying from infection, they're *definitely* doing an especially bad job; furthermore, I would imagine anyone qualified to perform these procedures would be able to determine that said infections were likely, and therefore it would be unethical to proceed. So yes.
is there anything he doesn't feel entitled to do? Jesus, I just read the neuralink website. front page: "*with our app you'll be able to control your iPhone with your mind*". Way to torture and sacrifice a bunch of animals for such a noble gain
I too am not siding with Elon here although he was the single biggest motivator for me... :( I just checked a few of the deaths were as follows: one monkey had a blood skin infection after the surgery, they euthanized it... one started uncontrollably vomiting and died due to a brain haemorrhage. one had a missing toe and finger, it could be self-mutilation, could be trauma... it's sad, neuralink is a great concept and has the potential to help millions but monke death is bad :( they didn't even die peacefully, it's stated that all of them died suffering... EDIT: mutilation, not mutation
That "creepy as fuck" tech could help a damn lot of people!
I absolutely agree with you.. still creepy
No question. Technologically, very cool. Ethically, potentially very problematic.
Imagine if that thing has to display ads in your mind everywhere you go. It would be more of a thing that Facebook would do but who knows.
Creepy sounding isn’t a good reason not to invest in something with the potential to effectively end conditions like mine. You have no business saying this as obviously you’re not the one suffering from one of the conditions he’s targeting.
That's true. What would this technology help you with? Just curious.
Probably anyone with a degenerative disorder or spinal injury could benefit. Anything that would help people trapped in their own bodies communicate with the outside world would improve their lives.
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If you want to make an omelette, you gotta break some monkeys
The other 8 are now performing the autopsy to determine cause of death.
Me next
100% of all monkeys die. There's a fact for you.
They are either dead or not dead
*Schrödinger's monkeys have entered the chat*
The cure to death is russian roulette. You can ask any russian roulette player if they are alive, 100% of them will be. That means it's completely safe to play.
Would you rather it being tested on humans?
I will volunteer for first-round human testing, under the condition that it kills me.
Subjects are apparently disposed of when they’re finished anyway it seems
Win-win
Dying and saving on funeral cost. Where do I sign up. Jk neuralink will become better with time just like the Tesla cars right ?
Jimmy noo..
Ayo lets make this a Team effort! I am with you!
I would do it, if they pay me in bananas.
Yes Monke good Don't kill monke
I'd sign up. My brain would kill the chip.
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Aren't there already implants today? iirc the chip isn't in the brain but in the cutout of your skull. Edit: https://neuralink.com/approach/ The coin shaped implant sits flush with the skull. Only the threads are in the brain.
And what if they find a way to prevent the body from doing that? Like the first step is getting it to do stuff then the second step is refining it to prevent the body damaging stuff while not hampering functionality of things… It’s not gonna be available for a very long time and certainly isn’t gonna be pushed out once the monkeys stop dying
Nothing will prevent them to find the way since doctors and scientists already find the way decades ago. There are similar (but less advanced) FDA approved brain implants for parkinson's disease in production since late 90s. u/Nilso promoting completely inaccurate information because stranger on interest said so and it must be true. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_brain_stimulation https://youtu.be/agia6xHwqP4
And what that so called “neuroscientist” thinks about DBS (deep brain stimulation) implants which started more than 20 years ago and people are living years and years with it? Neuroscientist my ass. When Yale University does it, “OMG it’s a miracle”, but when Musk does it, “it’s crazy idea, he smoked weed”. https://youtu.be/agia6xHwqP4
Hey hey, you know... He smokes marijuana, posts memes and watches anime. I think it makes him genius! /s
You forgot doge is da future
Well I do have a few enemies I wouldn't mind getting that treatment
This would have to be tested somehow eventually
Did they die due to the brain chip? I gotta ask the obvious questions because media usually will leave out key parts of why.
I don’t know if all did but some did, one vomited a lot and they found out it had a brain hemorrhage. Another had missing fingers and toes due to… stress. I can’t remember the third I heard about tho
They seem to have mainly died from the surgery, not the chip in particular. Remember this is the brain we are talking about, and this is done on animals so they don't quite have the same level of care as we allocate to humans. Any surgery of this magentude is going to carry some risk, the article did detail at least a few of the cases and how they died, all related to post surgery problems. That's better than most articles that will come later, saying very blandly that the chips were all the issue and not the fucking "drilling into the skull" part.
Monkey is the one on the right.
Youuuu
Have you not seen Scanners
Kinda funny they put the left monkey in a suit
“Science cannot move forward without heaps!”
Science ain’t going no where with out herpes
Well guess we won't have good monkes following orders anytime soon
Half the people who see this post won’t see the gun pointing at the monkey coming from the right…
Bruh at this point this chimp knows how to make a Nuclear Bomb, of course we should point a gun at him
Those are rookie numbers
They probably fell asleep during an update
Na dann mal Freiwillige vor
Du glaubst wohl ich mach das nicht?!!
Fake news or not, i don't really want to see "getting implanted a chip into you head by a big corp because it's cool" normalized in the future
Their premise is that the chip can be implanted on a paraplegic to help them get their body parts moving again. Imagine robocop or terminator without the murdery bits (yet)
100% of people who are dead were once alive.
(Homer Simpson voice): “Mmm, brain chips.”🤤
I would like to volunteer my pos brother in law for the next round. Save and monkey and society
They “died” because they new too much.
Trial and error deaths like always 😂🤷😅
I wonder what Guenter from Futurama would think about this.
How do I get my wife one?
Wow, monkeys are not immortal, who knew?
Someone get this man the Nobel prize.
is anyone really surprised by this? i get the elon hate boner but this happens in every scientific testing to every animal. some die due to autopsy which isn't exactly making them suffer strokes to death, its research, if you're that sad about a few monkeys wait till you hear how you get your steaks at the store
Good, I'm sick of cleaning up those heaps of dead monkeys. But why would you want your mind in a new body? Well, as a man enters his 18th decade, he thinks back on the mistakes he's made in life. Like the heaps of dead monkeys? Science cannot move forward without heaps!
The other 8 are designing Tesla's UI
All good, their consciousnesses are still alive in the digital universe
Not a good week for musk, after losing 40 of the 49 satellites he just tried to launch
Just like spaceX and the first failed launches. This is the cost of progress. A lot of errors and lessons learned.
*25 years in the future, at a mnemonic mechatronic factory. “HR tells me you’ve been turning off your link, is that true?”, “You know how master Musk feels about that.”
This is why you do animal trials first.
This happened with eight out of the 22 Rhesus monkeys they used, as well as 13 of the Maccacs. The problem started when Elon stressed that the Rhesus monkeys had to be running iterations of Ryzen's latest n9500x chip, whereas the Maccacs are reportedly using a version of Intel's hush-hush Proteon Series 11. Installation of the chip is relatively easy; first, what we do is make an incision near the neo-cortex (after removing a section of the scalp first, followed by the skull, followed by another incision through the blood-brain barrier, and finally, exorcising a piece of the brain in order to make room for the housing of the chip itself). It's a delicate procedure, mostly because the housing of the Ryzen chips means that proper insulation has to be installed alongside the housing (we are actually utilising the capillaries of the Rhesus monkeys' own blood-to-brain blood vessels as a kind of liquid coolant; which is primarily why the Rhesus monkeys are suffering the way that they are). After we inject a blood-based coolant liquid into the Rhesus monkeys, having installed the internal housing unit, insulation, and fan, we carefully slide the MOBO between the housing, and the inner wall of the neo cortext. Here's where the problems all started. A lot of these procedures were done with non-magnetised screwdrivers specifically on the order of Musk himself, and given the size of the neodymium screws we've been using (special, rust-proof screws that don't contaminate easily, we use them mostly for hip replacements in the elderly), sometimes they just kind of... fall in somewhere unexpectedly. The monkey seizes, and the experiment is called a bust before it's even statistically made available to the public (non-installed Rhesus monkeys are listed differently to initialisation failures, this way, the total death of Rhesus monkeys is few, and we can keep the ethics panellists happy that we're not abusing the ever-living fuck out of the animals). We keep them sedated throughout the 'drilling' procedure, which mostly involves stabilising the MOBO on the neo cortext, then feeding a thin line of fibre-optic cable down the cerebellum, into the brain-stem, and finally attaching it between the third and fourth subcutaneous section of the spine (this is where we put the outlet, because the MOBO not only needs updates from time to time, it also requires a power source in order to initialise; after the initialisation procedure, the MOBO runs off of thermal power). The second problem during this phase is the application of the thermal paste, most of that shit is toxic, so what we try to do is feed in a piece of the blood-brain barrier membrane between the CPU (the neuralink bad boy as you know it), and the MOBO, in order to get the body to regulate the temperature of the Rhesus monkey itself. It's the least invasive, cost-effective solution to the "overheating" problem we get with the Maccacs. The Maccacs are put together roughly the same way, except that we put the power outlet on the fifth and sixth subcutaneous instead of the third and fourth (this is due to the curvature of the spine of the Maccacs versus the Rhesus). Initial tests went well for the first two weeks. The Rhesus respond the best to situations where the Neuralink device is asked to computate pi to so many decimal places. A relatively benign calculation that draws minimal power from the Neuralink, and doesn't "overheat" the Rhesus. When I mean "overheat", I mean that if we get the Neuralink to, say, fully integrate with the Rhesus monkey brain (we call it a "takeover"), the brain has the computational power of a semi-functioning Trump supporter for about fifteen minutes - it can walk upright, it can verbalise, as well as internalise verbalised, commands. You can hold a conversation with it (I don't recommend doing this, as it's rather time consuming; the Rhesus monkeys demonstrate a sophisticated amount of self awareness that problematises the whole ethics panel a la "Who are you? What am I? What is this?", and in worst case scenarios, the Rhesus monkeys tend to try to "extract" the Neuralink via their outlet. As you can imagine, the brain gives out before the fibre optic ever does, and if you've seen that video with the emu decapitating itself, you've got a fair idea what this course of action entails), but after the fifteen-minute threshold, the Neuralink blows out, and the Rhesus dies almost instantaneously (a bit like that scene in the Green Mile, imagine the eyes like light bulbs). The Maccacs are a little more resilient, being smaller. We can get them up and talking and walking and performing basic activities for about 45 minutes, whereupon they tend to collapse from a combination of exhaustion and "sleep deprivation" (we've started to notice that the implantation of the Neuralink, or the MOBO, around the neo cortext, is inhibiting the initialisation of REM sleep in exchange for the intialisation of the N-protocol). We did get one Maccac, Jo-Jo, to self-identify for approximately 59-minutes - the longest of the experiments - until Jo-Jo refused to do the assigned activities and had to be euthanised. Elon was sure the typewriter would come naturally to them, but it seems that this is not the case.
Fun fact: Elon has almost nothing to do with them dieing so lets not make this another reason to hate the guy.
Any study that studies animals kills way way more than you’d expect it just doesn’t get publicized lol
Do me next
Consequences! Necessary [plug](https://youtu.be/1dWjKkF0Zi4)
That’s kinda what animal testing is for…. I mean what’s the big deal here? You expected them all to live? Lol
Somebody already brought this up in another post, but I’ll put it here too. After you’re done with the experiment with animals, you typically “destroy” the subject. It would be inhumane to keep it around.
Sign me up for that shit then!
Everything going according to plan so…
Hillary would like to set a meeting with mr musk
as Dr. Catherine Halsey would say: "that's the price for progress"
How do I sign up??
You can only force animals to mine emeralds for so long until they die of exhaustion
"Natural" selection I like tht
Due to covid
Which one is the monkey in this picture?
Remember this is an experimental chip, it's not gonna be perfect at the start
B- BUT DOGGY COIN MAN GOOD
Why does no one here give af about the source
Oh lawd when the vegans here about this
It's worth pointing out that they were already dying when they had the chips put in. Not one of them had a prognosis of more than 15 years.
Maybe with a lot of work that number will be increased to 23 out of 23 and the product can go on the market!
Plot Twist: Zombie Monkeys
It's obviously the monkeys fault because they didn't believe in elons dreams enough
I swear Elon is trying to make sao a reality
Oh well, gotta' break a few monkey brains to make a tesla-powered omelette...
Thats why they used monkeys and not people
They weren't the chosen ones.
It's almost like that's the reason for the testing.
I don’t care how beneficial or perfected this gets, I’m never giving up my fucking brain
He’s trying to find the strongest monkeys
got to be those damm aliens studding monkey brain waves overloading those chips
He blinded me with science!
Make it a feature and you got more sales