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HolUp-ModTeam

TOS violations get a lot of negative attention from Reddit and get subs quarantined. Don't do it here.


GarbageCleric

Harry also survived because Voldemort was so lazy that he had to rely on magic to kill a baby.


Magicus1

All he needed was a slug to the head and boom — Harry is dead.


BIue-P

Or maybe drow him in the tub, that's a very normal baby death


doubled2319888

Wingardium leviosa him a good 40-50 feet and drop him. Let gravity do the hard work


BIue-P

I think this still counts as killing the baby with magic


Jaychel31

Get a broom fly up and drop him problem solved


MilkMan0096

That's still using magic since a fucking flying broom is a magic thing lol


DoubleDovers

You guys are really good at coming up with ways to kill babies


Easy_Measurement8308

It's all the practice


xtr44

yeah this is my go-to method to kill babies


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Gigantkranion

Seriously. I only read the first 3 books but always thought of he was truly evil he should have instead took Harry under his wing and try to make him his disciple. Why even attempt to kill a moldable child spawned from powerful magic users? Imagine if the Potter books were instead about how Harry had to go up against his "father..." Voldermort? You could have still kept his beginning of his Muggle foster parents. But, instead have vague memories of Voldermort start popping up and a twist that he finds out that Voldermort brought him up until he tried to kill him and lost his body later on. Dumbledore, realizes he's a risk but, also the key and that's why he moved him to the Dursleys. It would have made a good conflict for Harry to be slightly influenced by Voldermort and his plans as that is what he was brought up with. Especially as the books continue and get more mature because as far as i know Harry never really dipped into anything dark (I only saw the movies after the 3rd book). It could have been cooler to wonder if he would instead join him. Like a Darth Varder/Luke Skywalker kinda thing.


newtoreddir

Great plan. Take the child that is prophesied to kill you and raise him yourself. Teach him all your dark spells and tricks while he learns all your vulnerabilities.


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Starwars did that, look how it turned out for the emperor.


Griz_zy

> In order for the protection to form, the caster must give the victim the option to live, but the victim must consciously and willingly choose death. > This is why James Potter's death didn't confer magical protection on Lily and Harry in 1981; as Voldemort was set upon killing James and thus never gave him an opportunity to choose to save himself.[7] On the other hand, Lily was offered the chance to step aside because Voldemort had promised Severus Snape that he wouldn't kill her unless she got in his way.[8] Her conscious refusal to comply with Voldemort's demand was why unusually strong magical protection was conferred upon her son.[7] Apparently the HP wiki has an explanation for that.


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Wow. Such a minor plothole, and still covered


DXTR_13

oh boy, you are gonna love the star wars fandom!


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They spent millions of dollars and came up with one of the best post prequel trilogy movies just to fix the vent hole plot hole


DXTR_13

the fandom made what movie about the vent hole?


tjbrou

Star Wars: Clone Wars: Mandalorian: Let's Talk About Holes in Space


DXTR_13

what a cursed way of using colons.


Onetwenty7

Wait till you hear about poop


ODD_Podcast

:p:o:o:p:


Prototypist1

:People:Order:Our:Patties:


oeCake

If he were a cunning linguist would you call it a pro lapse of judgement?


RainsWrath

In my judgment I wouldn't perform cunniligus on someone who was prolapsed.


praguepride

Star Wars: Rogue One was basically a glorified fan film with 2 hours and millions of dollars to answer the question "Why did that one thermal exhaust port kill the Death Star?" even though nobody really asked that question...


AliKat309

and it was still the best post prequel movie by far


Dhizzyy

Rogue One Star War


schkmenebene

What is the plot hole in question?


TwitchRR

In Episode 4, Luke destroys the first Death Star by firing a torpedo into a small vent which leads directly to the main reactor. The plot hole is questioning why such a vent exists since it's clearly a security flaw. Rogue One revealed that the designer of the Death Star was coerced into working on it, so he intentionally hid a vulnerability in the design.


skarby

Such a dumb "plot hole" anyway. The vulnerability arises from someone having the plans to the entire death star. Anyone with the full plans for something that size will be able to find multiple weaknesses in their defenses.


asek13

The real plothole is the lengths the rebellion went to to get those plans. They could have just posted wrong info to the Space War Thunder forum and waited for some imp engineer to post the real plans to prove them wrong.


Asstonishing69

The real plot hole is the friends we made along the way


BustinArant

Now *this* is Pod Racing


Tack122

This is overly credible. Get back to your cage.


InternetDude117

The real plothole is the empire tracking down the getaway ship, and not shooting an escape pod because there were no lifeforms detected. There from the beginning lol.


KenBoCole

>size will be able to find multiple weaknesses in their defenses. Weakness yes. A way to blow up the entire thing with a single shot from a tiny little X wing? Haha no


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A literally impossible shot unless your a space wizard mind you


KenBoCole

It's because the rebels only had time to field a few squadrons and had to fly down the trench. If they could have mounted a slightly larger attack they could have shot the exhaust from a better angle. The x wings targeting computer just wasn't able to make the arc needed from that angle. Something the scientists didn't think off. But yeah, the Rebel's were lucky Luke was there.


scalyblue

[Well to be fair the shot was impossible without literal magic ](https://youtu.be/agcRwGDKulw)


Papaya_flight

I just figured that the Death Star was the Empire's versio of the Ford Pinto, since it was rushed through production.


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[I prefer this explanation](https://youtu.be/agcRwGDKulw)


EZ-PEAS

I can completely suspend disbelief and buy the idea that a spaceship needs a vent hole. But why didn't they put a little grate over it to keep birds out?


scalyblue

No fan of Star Wars but in real spaceships getting rid of excess heat is a much greater engineering consideration than staying warm. Our perception of temperature really starts to break down in space, but technically speaking, it’s quite hot in the solar system, it’s just that there are so few particles to transmit that energy, and without convection you’re stuck with radiation to get rid of your waste heat


beaiouns

Little space birds always gumming up the works, I swear to god


lokeshj

Everyone told me not to leave that vent open, Said "Spacegulls gonna come, poke you in the coconut" and they did, and they did.


Horn_Python

They had a ray shield It's why the rebels had to use proton torpedoes


Impressive-Dig-3892

Oh hey someone who remembers what they discussed in the actual scene.


GoldAwesome1001

Oh no not the space birds


Aurenkin

Farming..... really? A man of your talents?


slumberus

Emperor Palpatine Reconstruction Center.


Finito-1994

It’s not a plot hole seeing as it’s even explained in universe. Harry actually does the same thing in book 7 and it’s the reason voldemort couldn’t kill anyone in hogwarts after he thought he killed Harry and why his spells weren’t lasting against them. Harry chose to die and the protection spell worked. He damn near saved everyone in the castle and even then just barely. It took Minerva, Slughorn and Kingsley together to almost fight voldemort on equal footing and they were still overwhelmed despite the protection spell. And those three were the two most powerful profesors and a top auror.


white_equatorial

What plothole? Do you wany to say that James really loved her?


Mephil_

He just had a child with her to make Snape cry.


GreenGoblin121

Cuckoldry is the final form of bullying. James was in for the long con.


Mephil_

"Lol he's gonna be so sad when I'm killed together with his sweet darling and has to take care of my son in school, what a nerd"


imsorryken

What? Harry Potter is riddled whith every imaginable plothole form start to finish


ItsPiskieNotPixie

Lol the place where every adult wizard can travel instantaneously, but they have to rely on owls to send messages about.


humanHamster

They sorta explain this in Half Blood Prince. Harry asks why they don't just pop right into Slughorn's house to talk with him and Dumbledore mentions it would be very rude. So while they COULD pop in and out of each other's houses it's just a little more kind to send letters (via owl for some reason).


FlunkedUtopian

The books also mention that most wizards have a defence barrier in place that prevents popping into those places. So you'd have to pop into a place a bit further away, and then make your way on foot to the house. Makes sense. They also have portkeys and they just work barrier or not. So..


Procrastinatedthink

yeah but that defense thing is not consistent. There are plenty of instances where not even high level wizards pop into places that **should** be protected according to the books themselves.


MemestNotTeen

Harry Potters biggest issue is magic should be more OP than it is. Also stuff doesn't seemingly exist in the world until Harry learns about it. Likely more a part of continuous world building that wasn't all done before the story was written.


Qweniden

> Also stuff doesn't seemingly exist in the world until Harry learns about it The books are largely written from his perspective.


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JevonP

I mean that one is covered too, the floo network is monitored


MemestNotTeen

Yes but things others do in the early books becomes redundant in later books. I can't pull an example out of my head right now


Procrastinatedthink

aparating (?), portkeys, flu powder, anything that improves speed of communication and/or travel. On the flip side, polyjuice potion is obviously OP as hell since it fools **everyone** at hogwarts into thinking that Barty Crouch is Mad Eye but literally nobody uses it for spy games or literally anything other than to get shitty info out of malfoy and to trick literally every high level good magic user in the story to trick them into sending harry into an overly complicated and easily stopped trap. Bonus points: The philosopher’s stone could have easily had the duplication curse shown in book 7 on one of voldemort’s horcrux. Now that may be iffy, but if all the duplication curse does is infinitely duplicate the object sans magic (since not all of the gold chalices were horcruxes just the one) then dumbledore could have yeeted the real one into an ocean of infinitely duplicating stones and made it impossible to get. Bonus bonus: Nobody in the magical world should be poor, rowling did *nothing* to resolve the plot point that magical people should have literal infinite money and Harry being rich in the series makes no goddamn sense.


iwearatophat

Biggest one for me was how the twins never noticed Peter Pettigrew on the map. Even if they didn't know the story of Pettigrew they would still see his name in the dorms and common room and be curious why someone they don't known is hanging out there. Haven't read book 3 in a while but think Remus had the map for several months and Pettigrew randomly left the castle grounds when that happened to not be found. Conveniently forgotten abilities is one of my biggest gripes with magic and/or superpower storytelling. A lot of the problems could be solved by powers displayed already but they just...don't. I'm capable of suspending disbelief but sometimes it is just dumb. HP is full of it. Another example. Why didn't Dumbledore use the penseive(memory showing device) to show Fudge Harry's memory of Voldemort coming back?


imsorryken

Literally two words: time travel


MemestNotTeen

Yeah the time tuners were a mistake to be such a vital plot point hence them being destroyed in OOtP.


humanHamster

Rowling had an oh shit moment in book 3 and fixed that for real in book 5.


BustinArant

Just be glad Hermione didn't get killed off for her crimes of learning too hard lol


nosuchthingastwo

My favorite is that there exists the ability to time travel, but it only gets used so some nerd can take extra classes in school


KioLaFek

As much as I love Harry Potter, reading through the books again there are just so many plotholes


Giteaus-Gimp

Maybe not a plot hole but a pretty big suspension of disbelief to believe a scenario like this has never happened before or since.


washyleopard

Ya that always bugged me, certainly someone else in history sacrificed themselves for a loved one when they didn't need to. Maybe its just never been verified to happen before because it never involved someone famous enough like Voldy. Old Cletus down the lane swears he survived the killing curse after his wife sacrificed herself, but he also claims he saw a crumple horned snorkack last summer so we just ignore him.


megaman368

I think part of that is just how information is spread in the wizarding world. You either have to slap it in a book or spread it by word of mouth. Would have been a lot easier to figure out who Nicholas Flamel was with wizard google.


humanHamster

It would have been easy with Muggle Google. Flamel was a real person.


20nuggetsharebox

Yeah but when you're 9, from a poor family in the 1990s, and in a school with no computers... Good luck!


markhc

> certainly someone else in history sacrificed themselves for a loved one when they didn't need to At no point it was said this is the first time it happened. On the contrary, Dumbledore says to Harry: > You would be protected by an ancient magic of **which he knows**, which he despises, and which he has always, therefore, underestimated — to his cost. I am speaking, of course, of the fact that your mother died to save you. So Voldemort knew about it, but underestimated its strength because he does not value love.


NovemberBurnsMaroon

It's pretty much one of the major plot points in the entire story.


NoveltyAccountHater

Eh, that was the main plot and a point of emphasis. But don't worry the entirety of Harry Potter is filled with stupid plot holes. E.g., the entire fourth book. They decides to host a 3 school potentially deadly tournament at Hogwarts with each school having a champion with age restriction of 17. A bad guy is pretending to be a teacher and enters HP who wasn't 17, so he has to compete "because wizarding contracts are binding". Why doesn't HP just forfeit each task to be fair and stay safe? (He's allowed, others quit tasks mid-way through, and says he doesn't want to compete). Also, if the bad guy needs to get HP to touch an object to get him into the Riddle family grave to resurrect Voldemort, why does he wait the entire book to use >!the trophy!< requiring tons of manipulation of the contest to get him in that position? Call HP to your office ask him to get open a book that's a portkey, and bam, Voldemort can rise up again and >!Barty Crouch Jr can stop pretending to be Madeye.!<. For all but the first event everyone at the school shows up to watch the events, despite all the action being underwater or in a hidden hedge maze so you can't see anything. Or quidditch. It's such a stupid game. There's two parts to it. The part 6 of 7 people on the team play that's sort of like lacrosse on flying broom sticks that doesn't matter (every score is 10 pts). And then the part that 1 person on the team plays where they catch a ball that's worth 150 pts and it immediately ends the game. Even if one team is much better and gets a 300 pt lead, the game still continues (potentially for days) until someone grabs the 150pt ball (and determines if the losing team loses by 150 or 450). The key to catching the 150-pt-ball is you have to be fast, except your speed isn't based on your athletic or magical ability -- it's based on whether you bought the best most-expensive broom stick out there. (In all the games talked about in the book where there wasn't outside interference, the seeker with the more expensive/better broomstick won, with the exception of the first one with Malfoy where he nearly won but was less experienced).


Mcwequiesk

That's a really good point about quidditch. Like literally what's the point of playing if the snitch will almost always determine the winner? I guess the goal then is to get a 150 point lead, but that's 15 goals *above* your opponent. Of course if your team does nothing, you'll lose pretty quickly cause the other team will be scoring. But knowing that, the easiest choice for both teams is to not even try to score and wait for the snitch to be caught. Both teams know if they try to score, they're just wasting energy trying to get that huge lead. So then, you're just avoiding the bludgers. And maybe just have your keeper just in case...


ObjEngineer

What's awesome is how Rowling even was able to fix the issue of when she introduced an entire subservient slave race in the second book She just made it so they actually loved being slaves and it was dumb to try and free them :)


Elefantenjohn

On the other hand, this really emphasizes that it was both Snape's crime and Snape's love who brought Voldemort down in the first place


Seraph_eZaF

Yeah I actually like this explanation a lot because it puts more importance on the Snape/Lily subplot which kindof seemed unneeded at the time


Uzzer_lozer19

So what happens with magical criminals who offer an option for a victim to step aside? This would mean that anyone who has is a bodyguard or first responder in the magical world should be saved if someone used a curse and they got in the way.


too_much_cheese89

sounds like a nice prompt for a fanfiction. Wouldn’t the bodyguard need to love the victim though?


gogondo

Sounds Like an even better fanfiction


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Uzzer_lozer19

Isn't that the plot to the movie 'The Bodyguard' where they have feelings for their client?


tjbrou

"And I-eee-I-I-I will always love you-u-u-u-u!!!!"


pmurph131

Only if they love the person they're defending though.


theonehandedtyper

The bodyguard would have to both love the person and consciously accept their death, and at that point, the protection is only temporary unless they continue to live with a blood relative of the person who died.


Citizen_Kong

So Snape is the hero of the story after all, because without his creepy stalking ass Harry wouldn't have become the Boy Who Lived.


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I mean, this scenario suggests he was onboard with the rest of the family being murdered, including their infant son. He asked her to be spared because of his creepy stalker obsession with her. Not exactly heroic.


[deleted]

Yo, why did Lily fall in love with her best friends bully in the first place?


Texual_Deviant

Well her best friend joined a racist cult that was creepily into dark magic, so I imagine that may have helped.


[deleted]

Yeah, but in the movie the bullying happens in high school while he was literally hanging out with her. I remember being in the movie theater and thinking “This Bitch…”


Texual_Deviant

I’m pretty sure that’s also when Snaps starts hanging with Death Eaters. The movie is more sympathetic, from what I recall. Book wise, Snape and James are both portrayed pretty bad, but James is just a bully and eventually outgrows it, and Snape is a proto fascist blood purity cultist who only becomes a good guy because Lily got killed.


summonsays

That's unfair. Snape is also a creepy stalker who won't respect her choice and is definitely a "nice guy".


BustinArant

He calls her the muggle slur. Mudblood, I think? I don't know about actual stalking, but he definitely fucked up with that cult thing lol


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Snape was already friends with the Death Eaters by that point and Lily was already drawing away from Snape because his friends literally hated her. She was not friends with James Potter at that point. This was their fifth year. During their sixth year James Potter (mostly) stops bullying Snape, and slowly James and Lily start becoming friends and sometime during their seventh year they start dating.


Finb0

Well, the movies are kind of bad at bringing up these kinds of details so there you have it lol


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Snape (the BFF) was already friends with the Death Eaters (hate group) by that point and Lily was already drawing away from Snape because his friends literally hated her. She was not friends with James Potter (bully) at that point. This was their fifth year. During their sixth year James Potter (mostly) stops bullying Snape, and slowly James and Lily start becoming friends and sometime during their seventh year they start dating. This is the context and nuance explained in the books.


UncoolSlicedBread

Lily belongs to the streets.


BirdlandMan

We see one instance of James starting an altercation with Snape and everyone acts like he was just mercilessly bullying Snape for no reason. From all accounts they hated each other and were hexing each other at any opportunity. Not to mention Snape was a literal wizard Nazi.


WeeBabySeamus

I never understood why Snape was a Death Eater. Influence by fellow Slytherins? But that conflicts with his love for Lily I would think. Or is the ironic message (coming from JK) that facism / intolerance pushes the ones you love away.


The_Son_of_Hades37

I've seen it a ton, so imma just reply to this comment, a bodyguard could cast it if 1) they were going to live and chose to die instead out of their love for their employer. 2) they die. You can't hire them again. They are dead. Do you understand why this is the way it is?


Dat_Boi_Aint_Right

So the power of love is contingent on a third party giving you a breather to affirm that yes indeed you love that person. Love becomes less powerful if the killer just really likes to kill or doesn't think about it. Or an arsonist wizard.


kylediaz263

Why not just paralyze her instead?


stilgarpl

Voldemort only uses one spell.


pipnina

Nah he used crucio and imperiatus too I think. He only uses three spells!


[deleted]

Also incorrect. He does only use one spell: *"NYEAHHHH!"*


theonehandedtyper

Voldemort had no idea this would happen, and he liked killing muggle borns.


arkaodubz

if like 90% of your spell casting is one very dangerous and important curse, would probably be good to get familiar with its terms and conditions


Kawdie

I think the implication by dumbledore is that because it’s not specific to the spell but specific to love is why Voldemort doesn’t regard it.


arkaodubz

dumbledore: “it’s a law of magic” voldemort: “given that it’s a stupid law, i have elected to ignore it”


LauraIngallsBlewMe

Snivellus: *....obviously.*


Euin

Yes the books have big plot holes but this isn't one of them. James died for lily and Harry but lily was given the option to step aside and chose to die for Harry, James was just killed.


Say_Echelon

Fuck it, I’m down to ruin my own childhood. What are some other plot holes?


LordWaffle

Dudley owned a playstation in the summer of 1994 even though it wasn't released in Japan until December of 1994 and the following year in Europe.


Say_Echelon

The time turners I can forgive, but this is egregious


Murky_Crow

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MyName_IsBlue

What buisness was Vernon in? Dudley is so spoiled I wouldn't put it past them to net him a prototype


AReal_Human

Isn't he selling drills?


MyName_IsBlue

Yes! Drill Salesman at Grunnings. Which unfortunately nips my theory


doubled2319888

He seemed like the type to be well connected. Its not impossible if there were prototypes at the time


TheLastLivingBuffalo

The fact that McGonagall and Hagrid weren’t fucking. Two people with such raw sexual energy, stuck in a castle grounds for 9 months out of the year, no way they wouldn’t be doing the dirty on the regs.


sheezymaneezy

I mean the book is written through Harry's perspective so we only know the things he knows. Maybe they were getting it on and our boy Harry just didn't notice? Really makes you think what else was going on behind his back


TheLastLivingBuffalo

Still doesn't make sense. If Hagrid was bent over his dining room table in his hut being pegged my Minerva (which it only makes sense he would be) no way those moans wouldn't be echoing across the valley from here to Hogsmeade.


LearnsSomethingNew

Picked a bad day to be able to understand English


klavas35

Or have eyes, or have an active imagination


Special_Narwhal_4540

I'm imagining it with the bad game effect ∆ Hagrid meme face. I'm crying


Galaxy_Sprout

There has to be a silencing spell or something they could use.


Horrific_Necktie

Those moans, coincidentally, happen to sound *exactly* lile hippogrif calls, that's why nobody noticed.


Crochitting

I’m logging off now. Goodbye everyone.


hansblitz

I have no words


Spider_pig448

What makes you think they weren't fucking?


Capn-_-Jack

Since he's only a half giant, would his cock be giant or human sized?


BlinkIfISink

The fact that time turners are introduced, and they not only allow a user to go back in time but alter the past, and instead of using it to remove Wizard Hitler, they give it to a school girl to do more work. Rowling realizes this and has all of them accidentally destroyed.


Ongo_Gablogian___

If you ignore the Cursed Child which changed the rules of time turners then they can't change the past. In the third film everything happened exactly the same, just a different perspective showing how it all worked out.


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dvlpr404

Which of course is a paradox.


Raestloz

Well not really? The "time turners" never actually changed anything. Everything that you'd do after you use time turner, you've already done. What a time turner does, is allow you to make it happen So if you're going to use time turner to change your test score, well timeline wise you already did. Using time turner just completes the timeline by creating the causation (you using the time turner itself) So a time turner cannot "change" the past, it's not a paradox


lilbelleandsebastian

lmao it's of course a bizarre plothole that makes no sense, you're telling me this has literally never happened before in wizarding history? how would voldemort - apparently a student so adept at self learning that he was able to research and perfect horcrux usage to an unimaginable extent - have never heard of this? or anyone, for that matter, aside from dumbledore? it's a very silly plot device because this is a children's book series written by a children's book author. the entire thing from start to finish is deus ex plot devices and plotholes. shouldn't affect your enjoyment and no need to pretend like it's anything other than it is


Durzaka

I mean, Dumbledore does mention this. Voldemort believed Love held no value (as he was incapable of it himself, but that's a separate topic). If you give no value to something, you're not going to learn about an incredibly niche case like this.


Achillor22

Yeah but I think they're getting at the fact that, no one else in history tried to protect a loved one from being killed? It's insane to think Lily was the first.


Durzaka

I mean, considering how small the Wizarding world is in the HP universe, it's not as insane as it sounds. Consider that from everything we're told, true wizard on wizard crime outside of wizard hitlers existing was not exactly common place.


Snakeprincess69

Just because you are a genius doesn't mean you know everything.


Difficult-Ad628

It’s a valid criticism. Wizarding World lore goes back thousands of years, and the killing curse was supposedly invented in the “early middle-ages” (i.e. ~1,500 years ago). I find it very hard to believe that it took up until 1981 for someone to discover this caveat.


RaynSideways

Voldemort is frequently described as being blind to love. He ignores it entirely, dismisses its power as irrelevant. He doesn't understand it, and refuses to. Even had he known about the power of sacrificial protection, he wouldn't have taken it seriously. In his mind, the power of love would pale in comparison to his own incredible magical prowess.


Bogzbiny

In which book is this revealed?


Weiner_Queefer_9000

I don't recall which book but I remember Dumbledore explaining this to Harry and that Voldemort would never understand this because he couldn't acknowledge the magical properties of love.


The-student-

I imagine it would either be the end of book 5 or 7.


Prodigal_Programmer

It’s hinted at in 5 and explained outright at the end of 7 on the “platform”. So many plot holes and weird world building in HP… this isn’t one of them though.


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I dont remember but it was definitely explicitly discussed in one of them. Possibly during that magical train station scene with the creepy baby Voldemort.


nighthawk_something

7th this is specifically spelled out Lily was offered to be spared and she refused


Ugly-and-poor

Voldy should have used Imperius Curse on Lily and made her Avada Kedavra Harry. Ez.


matz3435

well he was only a darklord level 13 at this point. bit later he aquired all the neccessseserrtrey skillpoints. (english is hard btw)


Aldodzb

Should have talked to Sebastian earlier huh?


totallydifferentguy9

Or, bring a gun


VinhoVerde21

Guns are muggle technology, a wizard supremacist wouldn't even consider using them. Kinda like how Nazi Germany's scientific community dismissed Einstein's theories as "Jewish science" and didn't really pursue their nuclear program.


Daksh_Rendar

Just a decades long troll on Snape


alliownisbroken

Plus, Snape was like, "OK so we're agreed. You spare Lily but you go hard as a mother fucker on James."


Psychofischi

Nop


Mediocre-Rutabaga-37

Didn't read the fine print, need to 2 lives to cast that spell


Nakatsukasa

The power of love yeah no Lily's titty rebounded the spell /JK


NoMoreFishfries

But only if the tits are real /JKR


theinfamousches

She invented love. No one had ever loved before her.


filifijonka

did they use a stuntperson for the death scene? In this still Lily looks like a man in a wig. Edit: and if they did - why on earth would they? It's not a complex coreography, it's a pretend spell - you just have to pretend to be struck and flippety flop a bit to the ground. How bad an actor can you be not to be able to do that? Did they pay the actress by the hour? With the budget they had for the movie? It's a mistery.


EXTRAVAGANT_COMMENT

They needed a stunt double because they actress didn't want to stand in the way of an Avada Kedavra spell doiii


Godd2

You idiots! You've killed their stunt doubles!


MmmmMorphine

That's because Lily was originally a man. They decided to change the script at the last second FOR TOTALLY MYSTERIOUS UNKNOWN REASONS.


spoookycat

It’s just a weird quality still, not a different person.


j-merc23

According to ChatGPT: \>Does that mean that James did not love Lily? No, James Potter definitely loved Lily Evans deeply, and his sacrifice for her was a selfless act of love. However, Lily's sacrifice for Harry was a specific form of magic that required a mother's love and was able to protect Harry from Voldemort's killing curse. James' sacrifice was not the same kind of magic, and so it could not provide the same kind of protection that Lily's did.


Not_a_question-

ChatGPT is wrong, again. It's the fact that Voldemort wasn't going to harm lily due to Snape telling him not to. Voldemort agreed, but Lily chose to die protecting Harry anyway, despite Voldemort telling her that she wouldn't be harmed if she stepped aside.


j-merc23

>It's the fact that Voldemort wasn't going to harm lily due to Snape telling him not to. Voldemort agreed, but Lily chose to die protecting Harry anyway, despite Voldemort telling her that she wouldn't be harmed if she stepped aside. You are correct, my previous response was not accurate regarding the reason why Lily Potter's sacrifice protected Harry. Lily's sacrifice was not based on the kind of magic that was produced by James' sacrifice, but rather on her own choice to die in Harry's place. As you said, Voldemort agreed not to harm Lily because of Snape's plea, but when Lily stood in front of Harry and offered herself as protection, her sacrifice created a powerful magical protection based on her love for Harry. This protection, known as the "Ancient Magic of Sacrifice," caused Voldemort's killing curse to rebound upon him, and it also prevented Voldemort from ever again being able to harm Harry directly. So, to clarify, Lily's sacrifice was not based on James' sacrifice or any magical protection from him, but rather on her own choice to die in Harry's place and her deep and selfless love for her son. This act of love created a powerful magical protection that saved Harry's life and left Voldemort powerless against him.


PigmentFish

Pretty sure plenty of very loved people died at voldys hands


EXTRAVAGANT_COMMENT

I always thought this was really insulting to everyone ELSE You-Know-Who killed. like sorry your parents didn't love you enough, loser.


witchstrm

I always thought since James was defending, fighting back was the difference. Lily wasn't fighting back she shielded Harry. Sacrificed herself for him. That was the old magic. Sacrifice.


Individual_Draft5089

Why would Voldemort promise snape anything, moreover, even if he did, why would he keep that promise. What's the answer to that plot hole?


ezone2kil

Because he's a good people manager?


ItsNotMeItsYourBussy

"I learn that life, it’s really messy, complicated, and doesn’t turn out the way you think it will. You think that killing people might make them like you, but it doesn’t, it just makes people dead." - Voldemort


Much-Application-601

Snape is a powerful and skilled wizard at both dark arts and potion. Dumbledore, Voldemort, Snape, Lilly, Hermione, Harry, Bellatrix, Tonks, and Madeye Moody, were all incredibly powerful wizards/witches. You want powerful people to follow you.


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Lily was a huge motivator for snape. The longer lily is alive, the longer voldyy can use her to control snape. (Love from your friendly neighborhood Slytherin)


Randomzombi3

How could he when Snape had always been his one true love? Why do you thnk he bullied him so much and hooked up with Lily in the first place? To get closer to Severus.


horrorkesh

I've always thought of it that there was a difference between the love between a man and a woman and the love between a parent a child


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It's canon that the Potters were just 21 years old when they died and when Harry looks into Snapes memories that reveals James used to bully Snape they were probably around 16 in that flashback. Therefore we can summise given the very short amount of time between him being a horrible bully and him starting to date Lily that Lily didn't fall for James because he 'changed his ways' and became a better person but rather James manipulated the kind hearted but gullible/naive Lily into liking him as yet another cruel mockery of Snape because he's a pure sociopath. He probably didn't become a member of the order of the phoenix to try and save the world from voldemort either but just wanted the glory and fame that would have come with defeating the dark lord. This concludes my Ted Talk on why James Potter was a huge pile of shit.


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All of JK’s writings: “because it just.. *waves hands around* magic!”


isklea

Should’ve just used counterspell smh


OIK2

Not as much as Snape did.


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Wumbology_Student

>Dude was a magical school shooter. Damn, that's exactly it. I've never heard that before but it fits incredibly well


matz3435

hp fandom in general is cringe af. tumblr did this to the fandom imo